Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-04 Thread John Weiss
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:39:50AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Mike == Mike Ressler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike What's that thing? Well, it's a highly technical, sensitive Mike instrument we use in computer repair. Being a layman, you Mike probably can't grasp exactly what it

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-04 Thread John Weiss
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:39:50AM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Mike" == Mike Ressler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Mike> "What's that thing?" "Well, it's a highly technical, sensitive > Mike> instrument we use in computer repair. Being a layman, you > Mike> probably can't grasp

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-03 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:50:30AM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: given a piece of wood that in cross-section is 2 inches by 4 inches. Applying a long length of wood of said cross section might cause considerable damage if you held one end and swung the other. This is generally called a

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-03 Thread Mike Ressler
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, John Weiss wrote: Well, the conventions *used* *to* be enforced, so that the manuals all had a consistent look to them. If more recent contributors have been ignoring DocStyle, then the Editor-In-Chief needs to fix that. Removing the section on the documentation

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-03 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 10:50:30AM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > given a piece of wood that in cross-section is 2 inches by 4 inches. > > Applying a long length of wood of said cross section might cause considerable > damage if you held one end and swung the other. This is generally called a

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-03 Thread Mike Ressler
On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, John Weiss wrote: > Well, the conventions *used* *to* be enforced, so that the manuals all > had a consistent look to them. If more recent contributors have been > ignoring DocStyle, then the Editor-In-Chief needs to fix that. > Removing the section on the documentation

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-01 Thread Amir Karger
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:17:54PM -0400, Larry Kollar wrote: - Add a how to print these manuals section. The manuals *do* work well in print at least some will prefer it. True. Also, it should be as simple as file-print, no? As far as the Danger Danger thing goes, I'm OK either

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-01 Thread Mike Ressler
On 1 Aug 2001, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Use cvs. Anything can be reversed later, anyway. Okay, since it actually looks like there is some interest in this, I have committed what I have to CVS - Intro has been converted to book form with Chapter 1 being a real Introduction; Tutorial and UG

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-01 Thread Amir Karger
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 07:17:54PM -0400, Larry Kollar wrote: > > - Add a "how to print these manuals" section. The manuals *do* work > well in print & at least some will prefer it. True. Also, it should be as simple as "file->print", no? > > As far as the "Danger Danger" thing goes,

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-08-01 Thread Mike Ressler
On 1 Aug 2001, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Use cvs. Anything can be reversed later, anyway. Okay, since it actually looks like there is some interest in this, I have committed what I have to CVS - Intro has been converted to book form with Chapter 1 being a real Introduction; Tutorial and UG

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-31 Thread Larry Kollar
Mike Ressler more-or-less encouraged me to join up, and told me what the current hot-button issue is right now (IMO) The intro should either introduce one to LyX, or to the LyX manuals. Since the Tutorial is pretty good, if it were up to me I'd put the intro in the Tutorial let the intro

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-31 Thread Larry Kollar
Mike Ressler more-or-less encouraged me to join up, and told me what the current hot-button issue is right now (IMO) The intro should either introduce one to LyX, or to the LyX manuals. Since the Tutorial is pretty good, if it were up to me I'd put the intro in the Tutorial & let the "intro"

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-30 Thread John Levon
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 09:28:02PM -0400, John Weiss wrote: how about mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or see the lyx.org website ? more accessible If you're going to move stuff out of Intro.lyx and into DocStyle.lyx, then DocStyle.lyx needs to live in a more prominent location. How about

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-30 Thread John Levon
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 09:22:10PM -0400, John Weiss wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:28:34AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: Also ditch the DANGER DANGER thing. It is NOT a good thing to have as the grumble Humorless lot /grumble Ducking behind sofa... bah, I'm not against humour,

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-30 Thread Mike Ressler
On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, John Weiss wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:28:34AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: Also ditch the DANGER DANGER thing. It is NOT a good thing to have as the grumble Humorless lot /grumble Ducking behind sofa... Picks up appropriate vegetable, attaches parachute for

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-30 Thread Mike Ressler
Hi John (and everyone), On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, John Weiss wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, John Levon wrote: how about mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or see the lyx.org website ? more accessible If you're going to move stuff out of Intro.lyx and into DocStyle.lyx, then DocStyle.lyx needs to live in a

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-30 Thread John Levon
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 09:28:02PM -0400, John Weiss wrote: > > > how about "mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or see the lyx.org website" ? > > > more accessible > > If you're going to move stuff out of Intro.lyx and into DocStyle.lyx, > then "DocStyle.lyx" needs to live in a more prominent location.

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-30 Thread John Levon
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 09:22:10PM -0400, John Weiss wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:28:34AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: > > > > > Also ditch the "DANGER DANGER" thing. It is NOT a good thing to have as the > > > Humorless lot > > > Ducking behind sofa... > bah, I'm not against humour,

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-30 Thread Mike Ressler
On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, John Weiss wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:28:34AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: > > > > > Also ditch the "DANGER DANGER" thing. It is NOT a good thing to have as the > > > Humorless lot > > > Ducking behind sofa... Picks up appropriate vegetable, attaches parachute for

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-30 Thread Mike Ressler
Hi John (and everyone), On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, John Weiss wrote: >> On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, John Levon wrote: >> > how about "mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or see the lyx.org website" ? >> > more accessible > >If you're going to move stuff out of Intro.lyx and into DocStyle.lyx, >then "DocStyle.lyx" needs

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-29 Thread John Weiss
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:28:34AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: Also ditch the DANGER DANGER thing. It is NOT a good thing to have as the grumble Humorless lot /grumble Ducking behind sofa... -- John Weiss Not through coercion. Not by force. But by compassion. By affection. And, a

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-29 Thread John Weiss
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 03:11:06PM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: 4) Remove Reference from the Help menu. Remove Reference completely. It was stillborn, really. Philosophy: the Intro should be an intro: it is assumed to be chapter 1 for all other docs. I would suggest that the very first

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-29 Thread John Weiss
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:28:34AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: > > > Also ditch the "DANGER DANGER" thing. It is NOT a good thing to have as the Humorless lot Ducking behind sofa... -- John Weiss "Not through coercion. Not by force. But by compassion. By affection. And, a small fish."

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-29 Thread John Weiss
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 03:11:06PM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: > > 4) Remove Reference from the Help menu. Remove Reference completely. It was stillborn, really. > Philosophy: the Intro should be an intro: it is assumed to be chapter 1 > for all other docs. I would suggest that the very first

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-25 Thread John Levon
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:28:34AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: Excellent suggestion - I had forgotten about DocStyle :-) However, DocStyle is not typically installed, so I'd like to keep one line about it somewhere in the normal docs. (If you would like to contribute, please see DocStyle.lyx

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-25 Thread Mike Ressler
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, John Levon wrote: how about mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or see the lyx.org website ? more accessible That's fine - I just want to keep something somewhere ... Horrendously out of date, and for a _typical_ user, not terribly helpful. Do non-developers really care that

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-25 Thread John Levon
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:36:36AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: a) not in the gui support b) useful for the user c) internal only or whatever This still sounds like a developers-only doc, not something for the general user. Getting rid of it is probably too harsh - moving

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-25 Thread John Levon
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:28:34AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: > Excellent suggestion - I had forgotten about DocStyle :-) However, > DocStyle is not typically installed, so I'd like to keep one line about it > somewhere in the normal docs. ("If you would like to contribute, please > see

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-25 Thread Mike Ressler
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, John Levon wrote: > how about "mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] or see the lyx.org website" ? > more accessible That's fine - I just want to keep something somewhere ... > > Horrendously out of date, and for a _typical_ user, not terribly helpful. > > Do non-developers really care

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-25 Thread John Levon
On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:36:36AM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: > > > > a) not in the gui support > > b) useful for the user > > c) internal only > > > > or whatever > > This still sounds like a developers-only doc, not something for the > general user. "Getting rid of it" is probably too harsh -

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-24 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 03:11:06PM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: Philosophy: the Intro should be an intro: it is assumed to be chapter 1 for all other docs. Place less emphasis on doc team by changing that section to an appendix. I would rather move all the stuff about contributing (other than

Re: Proposed reorg

2001-07-24 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 03:11:06PM -0700, Mike Ressler wrote: > Philosophy: the Intro should be an intro: it is assumed to be chapter 1 > for all other docs. Place less emphasis on doc team by changing that > section to an appendix. I would rather move all the stuff about contributing (other