Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-04 Thread Michael Wojcik
killermike wrote: I'm also a fan of outlining. For the last year or so I have a been using a mind mapping tool called Kdissert The problem with this tool is that editors don't usually accept pitches in graphical form. This means that the process of pitching an article consists of

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-04 Thread Michael Wojcik
killermike wrote: I'm also a fan of outlining. For the last year or so I have a been using a mind mapping tool called Kdissert The problem with this tool is that editors don't usually accept pitches in graphical form. This means that the process of pitching an article consists of

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-04 Thread Michael Wojcik
killermike wrote: > > I'm also a fan of outlining. For the last year or so I have a been using > a "mind mapping" tool called Kdissert > > The problem with this tool is that editors don't usually accept pitches in > graphical form. This means that the process of pitching an article

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Hellmut Weber wrote: Hi all, I'm also a great fan of outlining serious texts and have also made some experiences with kdissert (being a fan of MindMaps still much longer than of any advanced text system). OTOH I'm using LyX-1.5.3 now for quite a while and am VERY content for my (restricted)

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: *** keyboard driven jump between the text window and the table of contents window . AFAIK this is not yet possible. The other direction seems to work simply with tab (and to my surprise with shift+tab too). Right, this should be fixed.

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 31 December 2007 05:11, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: So why don't you use LyX-1.5 directly then? Or more specifically what is missing in LyX outlining facilities? He Abdel, I haven't yet used 1.5, but when I do I'm pretty sure I'll find one thing missing in its

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Hellmut Weber
Hi Abdel, thanks for your quick response ;-) Abdelrazak Younes schrieb: +++ It is already very helpful to be able to move entire paragraphs using the keyboard when working in the text window. *** keyboard driven jump between the text window and the table of contents window . AFAIK this is

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 03 January 2008 04:56, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Body text that wraps (headlines don't wrap) That's very acceptable in an outline mode of bookwriting software, because you have body text in normal mode. In LyX the body text doesn't show of course in the dock,

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Daniel Lohmann
Hi, While I have neither used VimOutliner, nor am I a professional book writer, I usually do outline my texts before starting the actual writing. I use the mind-mapping tool FreeMind (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/ ) to do the outlining, which supports links, keyboard navigation,

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread obregonmateo
On Thursday 03 January 2008 16:31, Daniel Lohmann wrote: Hi, While I have neither used VimOutliner, nor am I a professional book writer, I usually do outline my texts before starting the actual writing. I use the mind-mapping tool FreeMind (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/ ) to do the

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Hellmut Weber wrote: Hi all, I'm also a great fan of outlining serious texts and have also made some experiences with kdissert (being a fan of MindMaps still much longer than of any advanced text system). OTOH I'm using LyX-1.5.3 now for quite a while and am VERY content for my (restricted)

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: *** keyboard driven jump between the text window and the table of contents window . AFAIK this is not yet possible. The other direction seems to work simply with tab (and to my surprise with shift+tab too). Right, this should be fixed.

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 31 December 2007 05:11, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: So why don't you use LyX-1.5 directly then? Or more specifically what is missing in LyX outlining facilities? He Abdel, I haven't yet used 1.5, but when I do I'm pretty sure I'll find one thing missing in its

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Hellmut Weber
Hi Abdel, thanks for your quick response ;-) Abdelrazak Younes schrieb: +++ It is already very helpful to be able to move entire paragraphs using the keyboard when working in the text window. *** keyboard driven jump between the text window and the table of contents window . AFAIK this is

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 03 January 2008 04:56, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Body text that wraps (headlines don't wrap) That's very acceptable in an outline mode of bookwriting software, because you have body text in normal mode. In LyX the body text doesn't show of course in the dock,

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Daniel Lohmann
Hi, While I have neither used VimOutliner, nor am I a professional book writer, I usually do outline my texts before starting the actual writing. I use the mind-mapping tool FreeMind (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/ ) to do the outlining, which supports links, keyboard navigation,

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread obregonmateo
On Thursday 03 January 2008 16:31, Daniel Lohmann wrote: Hi, While I have neither used VimOutliner, nor am I a professional book writer, I usually do outline my texts before starting the actual writing. I use the mind-mapping tool FreeMind (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/ ) to do the

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Hellmut Weber wrote: Hi all, I'm also a great fan of outlining serious texts and have also made some experiences with kdissert (being a fan of MindMaps still much longer than of any advanced text system). OTOH I'm using LyX-1.5.3 now for quite a while and am VERY content for my (restricted)

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > *** keyboard driven jump between the text window and the table of > > contents window . AFAIK this is not yet possible. The other direction > > seems to work simply with tab (and to my surprise with shift+tab too). > > Right, this should be fixed.

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 31 December 2007 05:11, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: So why don't you use LyX-1.5 directly then? Or more specifically what is missing in LyX outlining facilities? He Abdel, I haven't yet used 1.5, but when I do I'm pretty sure I'll find one thing missing in its

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Hellmut Weber
Hi Abdel, thanks for your quick response ;-) Abdelrazak Younes schrieb: +++ It is already very helpful to be able to move entire paragraphs using the keyboard when working in the text window. *** keyboard driven jump between the text window and the table of contents window . AFAIK this is

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 03 January 2008 04:56, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Body text that wraps (headlines don't wrap) > That's very acceptable in an outline mode of bookwriting software, because you have body text in normal mode. > In LyX the body text doesn't show of course in the

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread Daniel Lohmann
Hi, While I have neither used VimOutliner, nor am I a professional book writer, I usually do outline my texts before starting the actual writing. I use the mind-mapping tool FreeMind (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/ ) to do the outlining, which supports links, keyboard navigation,

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-03 Thread obregonmateo
On Thursday 03 January 2008 16:31, Daniel Lohmann wrote: > Hi, > > While I have neither used VimOutliner, nor am I a professional book > writer, I usually do outline my texts before starting the actual > writing. I use the mind-mapping tool FreeMind > (http://freemind.sourceforge.net/ ) to do the

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-02 Thread Hellmut Weber
Hi all, I'm also a great fan of outlining serious texts and have also made some experiences with kdissert (being a fan of MindMaps still much longer than of any advanced text system). OTOH I'm using LyX-1.5.3 now for quite a while and am VERY content for my (restricted) expectations. Using

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-02 Thread Hellmut Weber
Hi all, I'm also a great fan of outlining serious texts and have also made some experiences with kdissert (being a fan of MindMaps still much longer than of any advanced text system). OTOH I'm using LyX-1.5.3 now for quite a while and am VERY content for my (restricted) expectations. Using

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2008-01-02 Thread Hellmut Weber
Hi all, I'm also a great fan of outlining serious texts and have also made some experiences with kdissert (being a fan of MindMaps still much longer than of any advanced text system). OTOH I'm using LyX-1.5.3 now for quite a while and am VERY content for my (restricted) expectations. Using

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, For the first time I've gone beyond book outlining in VO (VimOutliner) and am actually writing the book (via body text) in VO. What this does is eliminate the artificial demarkation between outlining and writing. It's very possible, and in fact quite likely, that

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 31 December 2007 05:11, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, For the first time I've gone beyond book outlining in VO (VimOutliner) and am actually writing the book (via body text) in VO. What this does is eliminate the artificial demarkation between outlining

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, For the first time I've gone beyond book outlining in VO (VimOutliner) and am actually writing the book (via body text) in VO. What this does is eliminate the artificial demarkation between outlining and writing. It's very possible, and in fact quite likely, that

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 31 December 2007 05:11, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, For the first time I've gone beyond book outlining in VO (VimOutliner) and am actually writing the book (via body text) in VO. What this does is eliminate the artificial demarkation between outlining

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-31 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, For the first time I've gone beyond book outlining in VO (VimOutliner) and am actually writing the book (via body text) in VO. What this does is eliminate the artificial demarkation between outlining and writing. It's very possible, and in fact quite likely, that

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 31 December 2007 05:11, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > For the first time I've gone beyond book outlining in VO (VimOutliner) > > and am actually writing the book (via body text) in VO. What this does is > > eliminate the artificial demarkation between

I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, For the first time I've gone beyond book outlining in VO (VimOutliner) and am actually writing the book (via body text) in VO. What this does is eliminate the artificial demarkation between outlining and writing. It's very possible, and in fact quite likely, that some chapters will be

I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread Bob Alvarez
This is quite interesting to me as I am also interested in writing a book with Lyx. I think I have seen some of your discussions in using VIM, and I guess now VIM outliner, with Lyx. Could you provide links to documents on your website and possibly posts on the Lyx user's mailing list where you

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread Typhoon
Since there seems to be some interest in this, I would like to offer my alternative experience. I am a great believer in outlines for anything longer than a letter to Mum. I also use them the way that Steve talks about - outline - write - outline, etc. My first experience was with Thinktank back

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread killermike
On Monday 31 December 2007 03:54:28 Typhoon wrote: Since there seems to be some interest in this, I would like to offer my alternative experience. I am a great believer in outlines for anything longer than a letter to Mum. I also use them the way that Steve talks about - outline - write -

I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, For the first time I've gone beyond book outlining in VO (VimOutliner) and am actually writing the book (via body text) in VO. What this does is eliminate the artificial demarkation between outlining and writing. It's very possible, and in fact quite likely, that some chapters will be

I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread Bob Alvarez
This is quite interesting to me as I am also interested in writing a book with Lyx. I think I have seen some of your discussions in using VIM, and I guess now VIM outliner, with Lyx. Could you provide links to documents on your website and possibly posts on the Lyx user's mailing list where you

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread Typhoon
Since there seems to be some interest in this, I would like to offer my alternative experience. I am a great believer in outlines for anything longer than a letter to Mum. I also use them the way that Steve talks about - outline - write - outline, etc. My first experience was with Thinktank back

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread killermike
On Monday 31 December 2007 03:54:28 Typhoon wrote: Since there seems to be some interest in this, I would like to offer my alternative experience. I am a great believer in outlines for anything longer than a letter to Mum. I also use them the way that Steve talks about - outline - write -

I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, For the first time I've gone beyond book outlining in VO (VimOutliner) and am actually writing the book (via body text) in VO. What this does is eliminate the artificial demarkation between outlining and writing. It's very possible, and in fact quite likely, that some chapters will be

I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread Bob Alvarez
This is quite interesting to me as I am also interested in writing a book with Lyx. I think I have seen some of your discussions in using VIM, and I guess now VIM outliner, with Lyx. Could you provide links to documents on your website and possibly posts on the Lyx user's mailing list where you

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread Typhoon
Since there seems to be some interest in this, I would like to offer my alternative experience. I am a great believer in outlines for anything longer than a letter to Mum. I also use them the way that Steve talks about - outline - write - outline, etc. My first experience was with Thinktank back

Re: I'm writing a book in VimOutliner

2007-12-30 Thread killermike
On Monday 31 December 2007 03:54:28 Typhoon wrote: > Since there seems to be some interest in this, I would like to offer my > alternative experience. > > I am a great believer in outlines for anything longer than a letter to > Mum. I also use them the way that Steve talks about - outline - write