Re: [OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-02-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:43:30PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I don't see how you arrive at that. If I assume perhaps twenty or so ranges of 256 chars. for a very large font family (including greek letters, punctuation and more -- and I assume that this would cover

Re: [OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-02-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:43:30PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I don't see how you arrive at that. If I assume perhaps twenty or so ranges of 256 chars. for a very large font family (including greek letters, punctuation and more -- and I assume that this would cover

Re: [OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-02-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Andre Poenitz wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:43:30PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I don't see how you arrive at that. If I assume perhaps twenty or so ranges of 256 chars. for a very large font family (including greek letters, punctuation and more -- and I assume that this would cover

Re: [OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Kevin == Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Anyway, one can assume (I would have thought) that Knuth would Kevin have worked in an optimal manner and therefore paid particular Kevin attention to the most common possible combinations (such as the Kevin basic lower- and uppercase

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes writes: What font are you using currently? EC? The Computer Modern family (ae variant). -Kevin -- Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tiros-Translations

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Kevin == Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Jean-Marc Lasgouttes writes: What font are you using currently? EC? Kevin The Computer Modern family (ae variant). Did you try EC or lmodern? Does it make a difference? JMarc

Re: [OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:43:30PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andre Poenitz writes: On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andre Poenitz writes: I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all circumstances. There can't be too many more than

Re: [OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Kevin == Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Anyway, one can assume (I would have thought) that Knuth would Kevin have worked in an optimal manner and therefore paid particular Kevin attention to the most common possible combinations (such as the Kevin basic lower- and uppercase

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes writes: What font are you using currently? EC? The Computer Modern family (ae variant). -Kevin -- Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tiros-Translations

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Kevin == Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Jean-Marc Lasgouttes writes: What font are you using currently? EC? Kevin The Computer Modern family (ae variant). Did you try EC or lmodern? Does it make a difference? JMarc

Re: [OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:43:30PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andre Poenitz writes: On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andre Poenitz writes: I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all circumstances. There can't be too many more than

Re: [OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Kevin" == Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kevin> Anyway, one can assume (I would have thought) that Knuth would Kevin> have worked in an optimal manner and therefore paid particular Kevin> attention to the most common possible combinations (such as the Kevin> basic lower- and

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes writes: > What font are you using currently? EC? The Computer Modern family ("ae" variant). -Kevin -- Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tiros-Translations

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Kevin" == Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kevin> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes writes: >> What font are you using currently? EC? Kevin> The Computer Modern family ("ae" variant). Did you try EC or lmodern? Does it make a difference? JMarc

Re: [OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-26 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:43:30PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > Andre Poenitz writes: > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > > > Andre Poenitz writes: > > > > I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all > > > > circumstances. > > > There can't be

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andre Poenitz writes: I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all circumstances. That sounds like a NASA (space shuttle) answer. ;-) Now, if they'd paid me like a NASA engineer ... There can't be too many

[OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-25 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andre Poenitz writes: On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andre Poenitz writes: I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all circumstances. There can't be too many more than about 65K possible combinations I would think -- apologies in

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-25 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Kevin Pfeiffer writes: And it seems to me that the kerning pairs would be 5K to the power of 2 (not 2 to the power of 5K) (Well, I see now that that is not what you were saying, either!) -K -- Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tiros-Translations

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andre Poenitz writes: I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all circumstances. That sounds like a NASA (space shuttle) answer. ;-) Now, if they'd paid me like a NASA engineer ... There can't be too many

[OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-25 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andre Poenitz writes: On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Andre Poenitz writes: I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all circumstances. There can't be too many more than about 65K possible combinations I would think -- apologies in

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-25 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Kevin Pfeiffer writes: And it seems to me that the kerning pairs would be 5K to the power of 2 (not 2 to the power of 5K) (Well, I see now that that is not what you were saying, either!) -K -- Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tiros-Translations

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-25 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > Andre Poenitz writes: > > I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all > > circumstances. > > That sounds like a NASA (space shuttle) answer. ;-) Now, if they'd paid me like a NASA engineer ... > There can't be

[OT] Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-25 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andre Poenitz writes: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 08:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > > Andre Poenitz writes: > > > I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all > > > circumstances. > > There can't be too many more than about 65K possible combinations I > > would think --

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-25 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Kevin Pfeiffer writes: > And it seems to me that the kerning pairs would be 5K to > the power of 2 (not 2 to the power of 5K) (Well, I see now that that is not what you were saying, either!) -K -- Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tiros-Translations

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Herbert Voss
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as -W in the word non-Western. This is using the standard CM font. To get the hyphen to appear visually balanced in non-Western I am having to add -0.1em kerning between it and

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Hi, (thanks for your always quick and helpful answers BTW) Herbert Voss writes: Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as -W in the word non-Western. This is using the standard CM font. To get the hyphen to

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as -W in the word non-Western. This is using the standard CM font. To get the hyphen to appear visually balanced in non-Western I am

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Herbert Voss
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Hi, (thanks for your always quick and helpful answers BTW) Herbert Voss writes: Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as -W in the word non-Western. This is using the standard CM font. To

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andre Poenitz writes: I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all circumstances. That sounds like a NASA (space shuttle) answer. ;-) There can't be too many more than about 65K possible combinations I would think -- apologies in advance if my math is wrong. Using a manual

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Herbert Voss writes: Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: [...] This kerns better it seems, but it is an en-dash, not a hyphen. In the humanities and social sciences, at least, hyphens are used for compound word (with a few exceptions). :-( The en dash (#8211;) is used to indicate a range of just about

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Herbert Voss
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as -W in the word non-Western. This is using the standard CM font. To get the hyphen to appear visually balanced in non-Western I am having to add -0.1em kerning between it and

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Hi, (thanks for your always quick and helpful answers BTW) Herbert Voss writes: Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as -W in the word non-Western. This is using the standard CM font. To get the hyphen to

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as -W in the word non-Western. This is using the standard CM font. To get the hyphen to appear visually balanced in non-Western I am

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Herbert Voss
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Hi, (thanks for your always quick and helpful answers BTW) Herbert Voss writes: Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as -W in the word non-Western. This is using the standard CM font. To

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andre Poenitz writes: I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all circumstances. That sounds like a NASA (space shuttle) answer. ;-) There can't be too many more than about 65K possible combinations I would think -- apologies in advance if my math is wrong. Using a manual

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Herbert Voss writes: Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: [...] This kerns better it seems, but it is an en-dash, not a hyphen. In the humanities and social sciences, at least, hyphens are used for compound word (with a few exceptions). :-( The en dash (#8211;) is used to indicate a range of just about

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Herbert Voss
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as "-W" in the word "non-Western". This is using the standard CM font. To get the hyphen to appear visually balanced in "non-Western" I am having to add -0.1em kerning between it

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Hi, (thanks for your always quick and helpful answers BTW) Herbert Voss writes: > Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > > I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning > > of letter combinations such as "-W" in the word "non-Western". This > > is using the standard CM font. To get the

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 07:09:10PM +0100, Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: > I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of > letter combinations such as "-W" in the word "non-Western". This is > using the standard CM font. To get the hyphen to appear visually > balanced in

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Herbert Voss
Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: Hi, (thanks for your always quick and helpful answers BTW) Herbert Voss writes: Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: I must say that I am somewhat disappointed at the lack of kerning of letter combinations such as "-W" in the word "non-Western". This is using the standard CM font.

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Andre Poenitz writes: > I'd guess it's almost impossible to get kerning right in all > circumstances. That sounds like a NASA (space shuttle) answer. ;-) There can't be too many more than about 65K possible combinations I would think -- apologies in advance if my math is wrong. > Using a

Re: kerning of letters with hyphen not so great

2006-01-23 Thread Kevin Pfeiffer
Herbert Voss writes: > Kevin Pfeiffer wrote: [...] > > This kerns better it seems, but it is an en-dash, not a hyphen. In > > the humanities and social sciences, at least, hyphens are used for > > compound word (with a few exceptions). :-( > > The en dash () is used to indicate a range of just