Re: How to insert colored program listing in LYX

[Siegfried MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL]

Title: MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL




Hello,
Yes, if you first insert the Listings inset and after, you paste your
code ( special paste and plain text ... or something like that ... my
LyX speaks french ! ).
On the screen it was OK and the tree wasn't affected. 
Remember I'm on Windows XP with LyX 1.5.6, it can be different with
linux.
In my case, the problem with the listings solution was that I was
unable to produce an ouput. No message, nothing and no output ( I think
that LaTeX wasn't called ...). I think it's a problem of characters but
I don't have time to investigate.
The solution with LyX Code produced a good rendering of the directory
tree on the PDF output.

Siegfried.
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Re: How to insert colored program listing in LYX

[Siegfried MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL]

Hello,

Yes, if you choose a fixed length font like Courrier, the layout of the 
listing is left as in your text editor, with the possibility of syntax 
highlighting, line numbering and a lot of other possibilities.
For me it works very well : I teach Fortran and I use a lot of program 
extracts in my documents.
The only problem I had was with the trees ... they use special 
characters and it seems to block LyX...


Siegfried.

Re: Word processor bashing

[killermike]

Patrick Camilleri wrote:


  Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I 
don’t
understand all this bashing at other word processors in your 
‘Introduction
to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the amount of 
time
one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern Word 
Processors

are indeed very capable tools.


I agree with Patrick's points. This is why I created the LyX users and 
developers facebook group to supersede the LyX group with a 
Word-bashing name.


I choose LyX as my writing system but both approaches have their 
respective merits. LyX+Latex isn't without it's problems. My recent 
attempts modify the format of things like section titles reminded me of 
using Linux in the early 90s - i.e. hours and hours spent doing 
something that would take minutes in other systems.


Obviously most word processors now have styles, for example. Ironically, 
the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open Office 0.9x was one of 
the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that this shortcoming has 
been fixed now.


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Re: Problem with geometry package (urgent)

[a e]

Hi Les:

Thank you for answering. Here I post a minimal document

Options (book). Font: 12pt, Two sided:
Preamble:

\usepackage[a4paper,twoside,includeall,outer= 2.5 cm,inner= 0.75 cm,
vmarginratio=4:5,textheight= 25 cm,ignoremp,bindingoffset= 0.5
cm,pdftex]{geometry}

LyX combines the power and flexibility of TeX/LaTeX with the ease of use of a 
graphical interface. This results in world-class support for creation of 
mathematical content (via a fully integrated equation editor) and structured 
documents like academic articles, theses, and books. In addition, staples of 
scientific authoring such as reference list and index creation come standard. 
But you can also use LyX to create a letter or a novel or a theatre play or 
film script. A broad array of ready, well-designed document layouts are built 
in. LyX is for people who want their writing to look great, right out of the 
box. No more endless tinkering with formatting details, “finger painting” font 
attributes or futzing around with page boundaries. You just write. On screen, 
LyX looks like any word processor; its printed output — or richly 
cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced — looks like nothing else. LyX 
is released under a Free Software / Open
 Source license, runs on Linux/Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X, and is available in 
several languages

With this, the final pdf corresponds (logically) to an odd page, and the final 
margins are:

leftside = 2 cm != inner+bindingoffset = 1.25cm
rightside = 3 cm != outer = 2.5 cm


  

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Johannes Knaus]

I can assure you that it wasn't me. I haven't written the message.
I don't even know what that issue on Bugzilla was about.
Some month ago I  realized a small bug in the Mac rc-version of  Lyx  
which is fixed now (see http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5168).

That was the only thing I ever did in Bugzilla.
I never logged in since that time.

I don't think there's a virus on my Mac. I checked it using ClamAV.

Regards,
Johannes


Am 05.11.2008 um 15:01 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:


Johannes Knaus schrieb:


... i.e. that I'm posting the same message all the time in Bugzilla.
Well, I haven't used Bugzilla since a couple of weeks!
So, I suggest there's someone who uses my Bugzilla account.


I think it's you. You can post to bugzilla by replying emails you  
got from bugzilla. So either you accidentally replied several times  
by email (check your sent emails) or you have a computer virus that  
sends out emails. You can only test the latter by using antivirus  
software.


regards Uwe


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night. (Charlie Brown)

Re: Word processor bashing

[Les Denham]

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
 I'm moving this discussion to the users list:

 Patrick Camilleri wrote:
    Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t
  understand all this bashing at other word processors in your
  ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the
  amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern
  Word Processors are indeed very capable tools.

Capable, yes.  Usable, no.

Yesterday I forwarded to a colleague a proposal I had written using LyX.  At 
his request I converted it to ODT format so he could modify it using 
OpenOffice.  As it was a simple document, the ODT version was a rather good 
imitation of the PDF I had exported from LyX.  And it used styles.

But when I got the edited document back, in ODT format, all of my colleague's 
additions were marked as hyperlinks to a non-existent target, and were in a 
blue instead of black, and used a different font.  One item in an unedited 
Enumerate environment had the number underlined.  He had no idea why these 
changes in appearance happened.

I have tried to get him to use LyX, and even installed it on his computer for 
him; but he is uncomfortable with not being able to tweak the appearance the 
way you can do with conventional word processors (never mind that this 
usually results in a messy and hard-to-read document).

It took me over an hour to get the proposal looking decent again using 
OpenOffice: I should have just exported it as text and imported it back into 
LyX.

-- 
Les

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Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Johannes Knaus]

Hello,

Stefan wrote me this mail yesterday:

Am 04.11.2008 um 16:04 schrieb Stefan Schimanski:


Hallo!

Du postest die ganze Zeit dieselbe Meldung im Bugzilla: 
http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5447

Grüße
 Stefan


... i.e. that I'm posting the same message all the time in Bugzilla.

Well, I haven't used Bugzilla since a couple of weeks!
So, I suggest there's someone who uses my Bugzilla account.
That makes me upset.
I logged into Bugzilla now and changed my password, but I still feel  
insecure.
Is it possible to completely delete my Bugzilla account so I can  
create a new one if needed again?


Thanks,
Johannes



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night. (Charlie Brown)

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote:
 Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well.

  Original Message 
 Subject:  Re: Word processor bashing
 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500
 From: RGH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   Patrick Camilleri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 References:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ovgu.de

 Patrick Camilleri wrote:
  Dear Sir,
 
Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t
  understand all this bashing at other word processors in your
  ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ŧ the
  amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern
  Word Processors are indeed very capable tools. Styles have been
  supported, at least in Word, since quite some time and not just in ‘most
  recent versions’ as quoted in the footnote on page 2. I already remember
  using Styles in Word 97 and frankly I can’t imagine anybody writing
  anything longer than 4 pages without having any concept of Styles. You
  would go crazy!

 I'd have to go back and look at the Intro to see precisely what it says,
 so I won't defend it (yet). But I will take exception to this last
 claim. I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a
 single person who regularly uses styles.

You know him now :-)

Hi Richard,

By 1988 I used paragraph and character styles for almost every kind of 
appearance, in my mainmatter, in WordPerfect 5.0. After switching to MS Word 
in 1994, I used paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost 
every kind of appearance. After switching to LyX in 2001 I tried my best to 
use paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost every kind 
of appearance, but as I've written (and maybe ranted) often in the past, 
LyX/LaTeX styles are difficult to create for a non-LaTeX-guru.

In about 2005 I briefly flirted with OpenOffice, and dumped it when I realized 
its paragraph and character styles were too quirky to use with any 
confidence.

 Students and colleagues send me 
 papers written in Word all the time, and I'm struggling to remember a
 single time any one of them sent me one that used styles. So, yes,
 certainly styles exist in Word, et al, but those tools do not encourage,
 let alone enforce, the use of such styles, and that is an important
 difference between LyX and standard word processors: LyX is style-based,
 from the ground up, not a finger-painting tool with styles grafted onto
 it. 

I think that's an unfair statement. MS Word styles work quite well and are 
integral to Word. Word's styles are MUCH easier to create than LyX's. One 
could argue that Word doesn't come with document classes that define an 
important set of styles, but Word is distributed with templates that do.

 That's why learning to use LyX, even to write a letter, is such a 
 big adjustment for people. 

For me it's an adjustment because creating a new style can take between an 
hour and 3 days in LyX, but only 5-15 minutes in Word.

 Speaking as a teacher, I often worry that my 
 students are themselves much too worried about formatting even while
 they are writing first drafts, 

That's exactly right.

 and this is in large part because WYSIWYG 
 tools present writing and formatting as one thing and not as two.

I'd put it a little differently -- it's because the students haven't yet 
understood the benefits of consistent appearences through the document, and 
the benefits of change one style and change its appearance throughout the 
document. 

Oh, and some people are just turkeys, and they put 10 fonts on one page and 
think they've been creative.

[clip]
  So in my opinion this isn’t really one of the strong points of LaTeX.
  Rather I find the ability of being able to typeset mathematical equations
  as being one of the strongest points of LaTeX, together with being able
  to seamlessly insert bibliographies and cross-references.

Hi Patrick,

I hardly ever use equations in my books, and usually don't use bibliographies, 
and even if I did it would be easy to do it manually, and I'm pretty sure MS 
Word does bibliographies.

What I like about LyX over MS Word is:

1) LyX is rock stable.
2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 
3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking.
4) LyX is free software. No license tracking.
5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion -- probably better than Word.

LyX is a very fast tool with which I can pound out 2000-3000 words per day, 
and not have to worry about the look of the output -- I know it will be good. 
It's incredibly easy to use. One overlooked benefit is it won't let me put in 
a double space or a double linefeed.

I handle the fact that LyX is much harder than Word to make styles like this: 
When writing and perceiving I need a new style, I make a dummy style, with 
the proper name, and continue writing so as not to lose my train of thought. 

Re: Word processor bashing

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote:

 Obviously most word processors now have styles, for example. Ironically,
 the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open Office 0.9x was one of
 the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that this shortcoming has
 been fixed now.

:-)

Don't be too sure of that!

STeveT

Re: Word processor bashing

[John Kane]

--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Word processor bashing
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:41 AM
 On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote:
 
  Obviously most word processors now have styles, for
 example. Ironically,
  the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open
 Office 0.9x was one of
  the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that
 this shortcoming has
  been fixed now.
 
 :-)
 
 Don't be too sure of that!
 
 STeveT

They work fine for me :)  

Lyx gives much nicer output but it's often easer to use OOo because of 
interoperatabillity with Word. 

I've never figured out how to get Word's styles to work consistantly but that 
was with Word'98.


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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[John Kane]

 From: rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]
 To: lyx-users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:19 PM
I know a lot of
 people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a single
 person who regularly uses styles. 

I suspect that some do but in the documents I get, Styles use seems rare. It 
may be increasing with the new Word2007 toolbar layout. 

I still see a lot of this type of thing.
http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/images/cvpic.jpg

This is from an academic CV of a fairly sucessful professor who in 8-12 years 
in academic as student and prof has never learned to use even basic styles, or 
any other reasonable formatting techniques.


 Speaking as a teacher, I often worry that my
 students are themselves much too worried about formatting
 even while they are writing first drafts, and this is in
 large part because WYSIWYG tools present writing and
 formatting as one thing and not as two.

I think you're right and not just for students.  Some Word documents I see from 
businesses and government are incredible Rube Goldberg documents that look very 
good but are impossible to modify.

 
 For what it's worth, I do use OpenOffice Writer for
 some things, but these are mostly DTP type applications,
 such as a church bulletin or a news letter, and I'd
 probably be better off using Scribus (say) if I only I
 weren't too lazy to learn how to use it. 

Most OOo users would agree :) It's not a DTP tool. 

I use OOo all the time and once you have your own style templates set up it is 
pretty good and even handles large documents quite well but  it does not 
compare to LyX for really professinal output.  

For me, a strange but very handy use of LyX is to convert very badly laid-out 
working documents from Word to something in an article format. It immediately 
is several hundred percent more readable. Unless I have to redo some equations 
(not all that common in the papers I am coverting) I can get a nice clean 
readable paper in 15-30 minutes and can usually save a couple of hours of 
frustration that I would spend trying to read a poorly formatted document. 
Quarter inch margins are such fun!

 



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Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Manveru]

There is a possibility that was not really you. But coincidence of
addresses used by someone else to spam bugzilla.

2008/11/5 Johannes Knaus [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I can assure you that it wasn't me. I haven't written the message.
 I don't even know what that issue on Bugzilla was about.
 Some month ago I  realized a small bug in the Mac rc-version of  Lyx which
 is fixed now (see http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5168).
 That was the only thing I ever did in Bugzilla.
 I never logged in since that time.

 I don't think there's a virus on my Mac. I checked it using ClamAV.

 Regards,
 Johannes


 Am 05.11.2008 um 15:01 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:

 Johannes Knaus schrieb:

 ... i.e. that I'm posting the same message all the time in Bugzilla.
 Well, I haven't used Bugzilla since a couple of weeks!
 So, I suggest there's someone who uses my Bugzilla account.

 I think it's you. You can post to bugzilla by replying emails you got from
 bugzilla. So either you accidentally replied several times by email (check
 your sent emails) or you have a computer virus that sends out emails. You
 can only test the latter by using antivirus software.

 regards Uwe

 --

 Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, Where have I gone wrong?
 Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one night.
 (Charlie Brown)






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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Helge Hafting]

Steve Litt wrote:
[...]

What I like about LyX over MS Word is:

1) LyX is rock stable.
2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 
3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking.

4) LyX is free software. No license tracking.
5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion -- probably better than Word.



3) is important. All other word processors _can_ produce beautiful 
output. But other word processors lets you screw up much easier. LyX is 
based on styles, instead of having them as options.


Other word processors also force you to do manually what latex does 
automatically. I see a lot of word/oo documents, and some faults repeat 
all the time:


* Ragged right margins - urgh. This has its uses, but single-column A4
  is not one of them. But _everybody_ makes this mistake. Probably
  because it is default?

* The section heading as the last item on a page. Other word processors
  don't seem to prevent this, it is up to the user instead.

* Lots of little font inconsistencies that are quite hard to create
  in LyX. The occational double linefeed.


Errors seen occationally:

* Errors in the TOC. Strange that this is possible at all.

* Bizarre formatting oddities because the user made a formatting
  change that the word processor couldn't handle.
  Yes - changing the appearance of a style is much easier in other
  word processors. But if you actually do that to an existing document,
  then you'll see what happens to all the little manual
  tweaks you have done. Tweaks the word processors ought to do for
  you.

  An interesting test: Change the page layout for a 30-page
  well-formatted document. Different margins and paper size,
  different font size. These things are easily changed in LyX too.
  Don't fix up anything, just make PDFs after changing. The LyX one
  will likely be ok.


Helge Hafting

graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

I inserted a bunch of figures into a lyx document, using graphic files  
(png) that were temporarily located on my desktop (after performing  
many snapshots). I did this for like 10 files. I inserted these  
figures using Insertgraphicbrowse   ... etc.


Now, I would like to delete those graphic pictures from my desktop, to  
clean things up. But I would really want my document to keep the  
figures. Is there any way that LyX can automatically import or  
move the figures used in my document to the same directory I  
the .lyx file is placed so that it keeps them when I then delete them  
from my desktop?


I really hope I don't have to do this manually, i.e. moving each file  
and renaming the graphics location inserts in my .lyx document... That  
would be a major pain!


I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.

BTW: I use 1.5.6 on a Mac OS Leopard.

-Ivan

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Richard Heck]

Manveru wrote:

There is a possibility that was not really you. But coincidence of
addresses used by someone else to spam bugzilla.

  
That's the most likely thing: Someone else's computer is infected, and 
it's using Johannes's email address as the from and just spamming 
everything it finds.


rh

Re: Word processor bashing

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Les Denham wrote:


But when I got the edited document back, in ODT format, all of my
colleague's additions were marked as hyperlinks to a non-existent target,
and were in a blue instead of black, and used a different font.  One item
in an unedited Enumerate environment had the number underlined.  He had no
idea why these changes in appearance happened.


Les,

  One problem with processed words is as you noted: folks get wrapped around
the axle tweaking appearance while ignoring content.

  We've read of these problems when collaborating on writing with others.
Has anyone considered writing drafts in plain text and saving all formatting
until everyone agrees on the content? Heretical, I know, but practical and
will probably save all of you a bunch of time.

  My partner and I do this all the time: I use emacs and he uses vim, but we
have no problems agreeing on content.

Rich

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Richard Heck]

Helge Hafting wrote:

I see a lot of word/oo documents, and some faults repeat all the time:

* The section heading as the last item on a page. Other word processors
  don't seem to prevent this, it is up to the user instead.

This is in large part because people don't use Styles. Most of the 
heading styles have a Keep with next paragraph type setting.


But then, of course, there are other issues, such as the infamous Word 
footnote bug that, from what I can tell, still persists in some places.



Errors seen occationally:

* Errors in the TOC. Strange that this is possible at all.


Let me add:

* Inconsistent reference format and missing bibliography items.

Yes, you can pay through the nose for Endnote or whatever, but people 
don't, and it's not properly integrated.


Richard

Re: graphic files

[Konrad Hofbauer]

Ivan Werning wrote:

I did this for like 10 files. ...

I really hope I don't have to do this manually, ... That 
would be a major pain!


Are you kidding?

For 10 files, doing it manually would have been faster than writing the 
email to the list!


/Konrad

Re: graphic files

[Helge Hafting]

Konrad Hofbauer wrote:

Ivan Werning wrote:

I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.


OK, let's not be evil.
You can do a find/replace directly in the .lyx file using a text editor.


That will only fix the .lyx file, it won't move his image files around.

Don't let a document reference temporary files . . .

Helge Hafting

Re: graphic files

[Erez Yerushalmi]

Hi,

This discussion has been very interesting for me to follow, because I too
have the same questions.

Konrads' second comment, was very practical and useful. A trick to to
remember.

My system has been the following:
Anytime I write a new Lyx file, I open up a new lyx folder with the same
name.
Any graphics I use, I save in the specific lyx folder where the lyx file is
stored.
In MS-word, the graphics is part of the file, and all you need is to open
the word file.
In LyX, I think of the its folder as a file, and move the folder around.

I'm sure this is obvious stuff for most of us, but maybe others haven't
thought of it

Regards,  Erez






On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Konrad Hofbauer wrote:

 Ivan Werning wrote:

 I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.


 OK, let's not be evil.
 You can do a find/replace directly in the .lyx file using a text editor.


 That will only fix the .lyx file, it won't move his image files around.

 Don't let a document reference temporary files . . .

 Helge Hafting




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Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Pavel Sanda]

 Manveru wrote:
 There is a possibility that was not really you. But coincidence of
 addresses used by someone else to spam bugzilla.

   
 That's the most likely thing: Someone else's computer is infected, and it's 
 using Johannes's email address as the from and just spamming everything it 
 finds.

the message doesnt look like spam activity, because its quite sensible in the 
context.

maybe this is the same i have encountered before. i tried to use bugzilla via
email and my name was changed into somebody else name, while the message body
remain ok. it was from this reason i stopped use email for bugzilla and use
only web interface.

i just tried to search out that old case and i found the name is OK now!  so i
made new experiment in http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429 in comment
6 and my name was changed into David A. Case. i just wonder when bugzilla
switch it to my name :D

to sum up i think its quite possible its just bugzillas gremlims...
pavel

Re: graphic files

[Robert Orr]

I would just move them myself to the directory where you have your .lyx source 
file.

Then, open the .lyx file in a text editor, and then use find and replace to 
adjust the filename to the new location.




--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Ivan Werning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Ivan Werning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: graphic files
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 10:51 AM
 I inserted a bunch of figures into a lyx document, using
 graphic files (png) that were temporarily located on my
 desktop (after performing many snapshots). I did this for
 like 10 files. I inserted these figures using
 Insertgraphicbrowse   ... etc.
 
 Now, I would like to delete those graphic pictures from my
 desktop, to clean things up. But I would really want my
 document to keep the figures. Is there any way that LyX can
 automatically import or move the
 figures used in my document to the same directory I the .lyx
 file is placed so that it keeps them when I then delete them
 from my desktop?
 
 I really hope I don't have to do this manually, i.e.
 moving each file and renaming the graphics location inserts
 in my .lyx document... That would be a major pain!
 
 I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.
 
 BTW: I use 1.5.6 on a Mac OS Leopard.
 
 -Ivan


  

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[David A. Case]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:

 i just tried to search out that old case and i found the name is OK now!  so i
 made new experiment in http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429 in comment
 6 and my name was changed into David A. Case. i just wonder when bugzilla
 switch it to my name :D

Or, how did bugzilla get my name and (old) email address?  I've never used
the lyx bugzilla site at all, either through the web or email.  I have posted
a few comments to the lyx-users mailing list, but don't know how/why that is
relevant.

...dave case

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[sunfire]

Hello LyXers,

Steve Litt schrieb:
 What I like about LyX over MS Word is:

 1) LyX is rock stable.
 2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable.
 3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking.
 4) LyX is free software. No license tracking.
 5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion -- probably better than
 Word.

Another addition to that would also be my (in this case specific)
experience: A colleague and me did our thesis both at the same time. He
used MSWord and I used LyX. Besides the facts mentioned there was the
interesting point of file sizes. We had roughly the same amount of pages
and graphics/images inside (around 130 pages each). The rendered PDF of
my thesis was 2.7 MB, his (made from Word) was 120 MB! Almost the same
size like the original Word document. To be fair - he had to embed his
data because linking was not very reliable in Word (after doing this for
 some time Word messed up with the linking and finally smashed his doc).
Because of this reliability he had also to do backups as often as he
could, so he ended up with some 4 gig of backup. Of course I backuped as
well, but since the LyX file is so small (due to working linking and not
messing up with it) it's not worth mentioning it...
Also when I work with students who write their thesis in Word - even
today the same problems like page numbering not working anymore after
you had to insert some pages before a new chapter etc.
I like LaTeX and LyX also due to the fact that once you have setup your
document properties you can focus on the content!
So I'd like to thank the developers for putting this much effort in the
improvement of LyX. Keep on the good work :-)

Oliver

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Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Pavel Sanda]

 On Wed, Nov 05, 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 
  i just tried to search out that old case and i found the name is OK now!  
  so i
  made new experiment in http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429 in 
  comment
  6 and my name was changed into David A. Case. i just wonder when bugzilla
  switch it to my name :D
 
 Or, how did bugzilla get my name and (old) email address?  I've never used
 the lyx bugzilla site at all, either through the web or email.  I have posted
 a few comments to the lyx-users mailing list, but don't know how/why that is
 relevant.

maybe we just encountered new kind of intelligence emerging :)
more seriously - you havent filed bug 634 ?

pavel

Re: graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Konrad Hofbauer wrote:


Ivan Werning wrote:

I did this for like 10 files. ...
I really hope I don't have to do this manually, ... That would be a  
major pain!


Are you kidding?

For 10 files, doing it manually would have been faster than writing  
the email to the list!


/Konrad



:D

Well, you see, my hope is if there was a feature that I didn't know of  
then I could continue to do this many times. Taking snapshots and  
inserting them is a common need. Saving them (in the future) in a  
particular directory (where my lyx file lives) instead of letting them  
go to the desktop is a possibility, but I would argue that sometimes  
you want to snapshot more than what you will later wish to insert. So  
it could be convenient.


I guess I had in mind a feature that Scientific Workplace has: you can  
save a file in a wrapped format that then saves all the figures and  
next time you open this file format it creates a .tex file with all  
the figure files in the directory you open the file in and with new  
relative file addresses for your graphics. I was hoping there might be  
something similar in lyx,  since that would do it.


In other words, if I have to send a lyx document to someone, my only  
recourse is to figure out what all the accessory figure files are and  
send them along too?


-Ivan

A Bug in RC5?

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi,

I was reading a manual in Lyx RC5 and wanted to check the URL for the bib
tools in the Wiki and I have ended up with a SIGSEGV after having clicked on
the 'Open Inset' option in the context menu of the URL:

  C:/Program Files/LyX16/bin/../Resources/doc/UserGuide.lyx.emergency

lyx: SIGSEGV signal caught
Sorry, you have found a bug in LyX. Please read the bug-reporting
instructions in Help-Introduction and send us a bug report, if necessary.
Thanks !
Bye.

This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual
way.
Please contact the application's support team for more information.
Completed

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Re: graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Erez Yerushalmi wrote:


Hi,

This discussion has been very interesting for me to follow, because  
I too

have the same questions.

Konrads' second comment, was very practical and useful. A trick to to
remember.

My system has been the following:
Anytime I write a new Lyx file, I open up a new lyx folder with the  
same

name.
Any graphics I use, I save in the specific lyx folder where the lyx  
file is

stored.
In MS-word, the graphics is part of the file, and all you need is to  
open

the word file.
In LyX, I think of the its folder as a file, and move the folder  
around.


I'm sure this is obvious stuff for most of us, but maybe others  
haven't

thought of it

Regards,  Erez


Exactly, this is kind of a pain. It would be nice to have some kind of  
way of consolidating things without having to do it ourselves. After  
all, when the file is open lyx could know all the needed auxiliary  
(graphics and other) files. -ivan

Re: graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Robert Orr wrote:



I would just move them myself to the directory where you have  
your .lyx source file.


Then, open the .lyx file in a text editor, and then use find and  
replace to adjust the filename to the new location.


I totally agree that that works, but it would be nice to have some  
kind of automated wrap feature. Or else moving the document around, or  
emailing is tricky, unless you keep one directory per document as Erez  
suggested...


As I said: with scientific workplace there is the SAVE AS wrap  
option which consolidates all files into one. You can then email or  
move this file and recreate the unbundled version without knowing  
which files are needed. Lyx is much better for me than sciword, but  
this feature would be useful to have in lyx too. I was curious if  
there is something close to that feature.


-Ivan 

Re: graphic files

[Pavel Sanda]

 Basically, yeah. This was a feature bandied about perhaps two years ago 

more exactly this feature was some time part of lyx 1.6 and called
'embedding feature' or 'bundled format', unfortunately the discussions
about its design and implementation was so heated that we nearly lost
two of core developers and the whole feature was cancelled/removed/postponed
for the time being.

pavel

Re: A Bug in RC5?

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Yes, this is strange: I have chosen open inset, marked the URL and done
CTRL+C to copy it on the clipboard for using it in Firefox and I got the
error.
But, after your mail, I have just tried it again and this time it seems to
have worked without any problem. SInce the log is not very informative, I do
not know what has gone wrong the last time...

Murat

2008/11/5 Rodrigo Fresneda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Rodrigo Fresneda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:56 PM
 Subject: Re: A Bug in RC5?
 To: Murat Yildizoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Hi, if you are referring to the url inset in  section 6.5.2, it works for
 me.
 I am using rc5 in debian (etch) amd64.


 On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Murat Yildizoglu 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I was reading a manual in Lyx RC5 and wanted to check the URL for the bib
  tools in the Wiki and I have ended up with a SIGSEGV after having clicked
  on
  the 'Open Inset' option in the context menu of the URL:
 
   C:/Program Files/LyX16/bin/../Resources/doc/UserGuide.lyx.emergency
 
  lyx: SIGSEGV signal caught
  Sorry, you have found a bug in LyX. Please read the bug-reporting
  instructions in Help-Introduction and send us a bug report, if
 necessary.
  Thanks !
  Bye.
 
  This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual
  way.
  Please contact the application's support team for more information.
  Completed
 
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  2, rue de la Charité
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Bureau 320
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Re: Word processor bashing

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:11:49 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

SNIP
 
We've read of these problems when collaborating on writing with
 others. Has anyone considered writing drafts in plain text and saving
 all formatting until everyone agrees on the content? Heretical, I
 know, but practical and will probably save all of you a bunch of time.
 
My partner and I do this all the time: I use emacs and he uses
 vim, but we have no problems agreeing on content.

I have also used this method when collaborating. I our case, we decided
to use reStructured Text as a lightweight markup. This not only
allowed us to collaborate easily, but also allowed us to read
intermediate versions in nicely formatted versions. At the end, convert
to LaTeX, import to LyX and finish.

There are a zillion lightweight markup languages, but I personally
think that reST is one of the best thought out. It has a formal
specification and, therefore, the conversion functions (to XHTML,
LaTeX, and OpenOffice.org writer) are robust and produce high quality
output. It can also directly produce S5 slide presentations.

It is no substitute for LyX, and I would not use it generally, but it
does provide a great collaboration medium.

Cheers,
Alan

 
 Rich
 
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Re: graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Basically, yeah. This was a feature bandied about perhaps two years  
ago


more exactly this feature was some time part of lyx 1.6 and called
'embedding feature' or 'bundled format', unfortunately the discussions
about its design and implementation was so heated that we nearly lost
two of core developers and the whole feature was cancelled/removed/ 
postponed

for the time being.

pavel


OK, thanks. Yes, better not risk the mother ship for this, it is way  
too valuable... I love my LyX even if I have to edit around the .lyx  
file with text editors!


-Ivan

Re: Problem with geometry package (urgent)

[Les Denham]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, a e wrote:
 Thank you for answering. Here I post a minimal document

Looks right to me when I generate a PDF.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Micha]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:39:00 -0500
Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote:
  Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well.
 
   Original Message 
  Subject:Re: Word processor bashing
  Date:   Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500
  From:   RGH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Patrick Camilleri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ovgu.de
 
  Patrick Camilleri wrote:
   Dear Sir,
  
 Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t
   understand all this bashing at other word processors in your
   ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ŧ the
   amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern
   Word Processors are indeed very capable tools. Styles have been
   supported, at least in Word, since quite some time and not just in ‘most
   recent versions’ as quoted in the footnote on page 2. I already remember
   using Styles in Word 97 and frankly I can’t imagine anybody writing
   anything longer than 4 pages without having any concept of Styles. You
   would go crazy!

Most people I know ignore styles all together in word. For all my wifes
accademic works, she would write them out and then I would spend a day
convrting everything to styles to get it to be consistent.

They are a pain though with word as it's very difficult to find where styles
are not applied or are modified and it can go crazy over small modifications.
The only sane way I found to work with styles in word is in outline mode, which
is much closer to latex in approach.

 
  I'd have to go back and look at the Intro to see precisely what it says,
  so I won't defend it (yet). But I will take exception to this last
  claim. I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a
  single person who regularly uses styles.
 
 You know him now :-)
 
 Hi Richard,
 
 By 1988 I used paragraph and character styles for almost every kind of 
 appearance, in my mainmatter, in WordPerfect 5.0. After switching to MS Word 
 in 1994, I used paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost 
 every kind of appearance. After switching to LyX in 2001 I tried my best to 
 use paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost every kind 
 of appearance, but as I've written (and maybe ranted) often in the past, 
 LyX/LaTeX styles are difficult to create for a non-LaTeX-guru.
 

One of the advantages with lyx/latex is that I haven't found the need yet. And
the small amount I have needed was always either done by some package or other
or can be very easily achieved with \newcommand

 In about 2005 I briefly flirted with OpenOffice, and dumped it when I
 realized its paragraph and character styles were too quirky to use with any 
 confidence.
 

It can be annoying. 

  Students and colleagues send me 
  papers written in Word all the time, and I'm struggling to remember a
  single time any one of them sent me one that used styles. So, yes,
  certainly styles exist in Word, et al, but those tools do not encourage,
  let alone enforce, the use of such styles, and that is an important
  difference between LyX and standard word processors: LyX is style-based,
  from the ground up, not a finger-painting tool with styles grafted onto
  it. 

I just refuse to accept word documents. I tell my students that if they want to
send me text, either write it as text, convert it to pdf or scan it in hand
writing. Since my work is equations (mathematics) I can never read them
properly in word format.

I haven't found a good reason yet not to force my will on other people on this
point and I tend to be rather stubborn ... ;-)

 
 I think that's an unfair statement. MS Word styles work quite well and are 
 integral to Word. Word's styles are MUCH easier to create than LyX's. One 
 could argue that Word doesn't come with document classes that define an 
 important set of styles, but Word is distributed with templates that do.
 

They are easier to make than lyx but a hell to keep consistent as word has a
serious tendency to locally tweak or forget them for some reason. I also tried
working with them in word 2007 and it was hell with the new and terrible ribbon.

  That's why learning to use LyX, even to write a letter, is such a 
  big adjustment for people. 
 

Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. Writing a paper or god forbid a thesis in
word is torture. Mixing ltr and rtl languages and to be so bold as to throw in
a few equations under word is nearly impossible, styles or not.

 For me it's an adjustment because creating a new style can take between an 
 hour and 3 days in LyX, but only 5-15 minutes in Word.
 
  Speaking as a teacher, I often worry that my 
  students are themselves much too worried about formatting even while
  they are writing first drafts, 
 
 That's exactly right.
 
  and this is in large part because WYSIWYG 
  

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[=??B?SsO8cmdlbiBTcGl0em3DvGxsZXI=?=]

David A. Case wrote:

 Or, how did bugzilla get my name and (old) email address?  I've never used
 the lyx bugzilla site at all, either through the web or email.  I have
 posted a few comments to the lyx-users mailing list, but don't know
 how/why that is relevant.

David, shall I disable that account?

J??rgen

Changing section headings?

[Mitchell Mebane]

I'm working on cleaning up the constitution for a student organization, 
and it seems that we can never get our Word document entirely 
consistent.  So I'd like to convert it to LyX.


However, we have headings like Article I. Purpose and Goals and 
Section 1. Purpose.


I'd like to use standard paragraph environments to get automatic 
numbering, but I need some way of changing, e.g., Part I to Article 
I. and 1 to Section 1..  How would I go about doing this?  I've 
done some web searching, but to no avail...


Thanks,
Mitchell Mebane

Re: How to insert colored program listing in LYX

[Siegfried MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL]

Title: MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL




Hello,
Yes, if you first insert the Listings inset and after, you paste your
code ( special paste and plain text ... or something like that ... my
LyX speaks french ! ).
On the screen it was OK and the tree wasn't affected. 
Remember I'm on Windows XP with LyX 1.5.6, it can be different with
linux.
In my case, the problem with the listings solution was that I was
unable to produce an ouput. No message, nothing and no output ( I think
that LaTeX wasn't called ...). I think it's a problem of characters but
I don't have time to investigate.
The solution with LyX Code produced a good rendering of the directory
tree on the PDF output.

Siegfried.
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Re: How to insert colored program listing in LYX

[Siegfried MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL]

Hello,

Yes, if you choose a fixed length font like Courrier, the layout of the 
listing is left as in your text editor, with the possibility of syntax 
highlighting, line numbering and a lot of other possibilities.
For me it works very well : I teach Fortran and I use a lot of program 
extracts in my documents.
The only problem I had was with the trees ... they use special 
characters and it seems to block LyX...


Siegfried.

Re: Word processor bashing

[killermike]

Patrick Camilleri wrote:


  Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I 
don’t
understand all this bashing at other word processors in your 
‘Introduction
to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the amount of 
time
one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern Word 
Processors

are indeed very capable tools.


I agree with Patrick's points. This is why I created the LyX users and 
developers facebook group to supersede the LyX group with a 
Word-bashing name.


I choose LyX as my writing system but both approaches have their 
respective merits. LyX+Latex isn't without it's problems. My recent 
attempts modify the format of things like section titles reminded me of 
using Linux in the early 90s - i.e. hours and hours spent doing 
something that would take minutes in other systems.


Obviously most word processors now have styles, for example. Ironically, 
the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open Office 0.9x was one of 
the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that this shortcoming has 
been fixed now.


--
http://www.unmusic.co.uk Michael Reed -- technology, gender, and geek culture 
freelance writer

Re: Problem with geometry package (urgent)

[a e]

Hi Les:

Thank you for answering. Here I post a minimal document

Options (book). Font: 12pt, Two sided:
Preamble:

\usepackage[a4paper,twoside,includeall,outer= 2.5 cm,inner= 0.75 cm,
vmarginratio=4:5,textheight= 25 cm,ignoremp,bindingoffset= 0.5
cm,pdftex]{geometry}

LyX combines the power and flexibility of TeX/LaTeX with the ease of use of a 
graphical interface. This results in world-class support for creation of 
mathematical content (via a fully integrated equation editor) and structured 
documents like academic articles, theses, and books. In addition, staples of 
scientific authoring such as reference list and index creation come standard. 
But you can also use LyX to create a letter or a novel or a theatre play or 
film script. A broad array of ready, well-designed document layouts are built 
in. LyX is for people who want their writing to look great, right out of the 
box. No more endless tinkering with formatting details, “finger painting” font 
attributes or futzing around with page boundaries. You just write. On screen, 
LyX looks like any word processor; its printed output — or richly 
cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced — looks like nothing else. LyX 
is released under a Free Software / Open
 Source license, runs on Linux/Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X, and is available in 
several languages

With this, the final pdf corresponds (logically) to an odd page, and the final 
margins are:

leftside = 2 cm != inner+bindingoffset = 1.25cm
rightside = 3 cm != outer = 2.5 cm


  

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Johannes Knaus]

I can assure you that it wasn't me. I haven't written the message.
I don't even know what that issue on Bugzilla was about.
Some month ago I  realized a small bug in the Mac rc-version of  Lyx  
which is fixed now (see http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5168).

That was the only thing I ever did in Bugzilla.
I never logged in since that time.

I don't think there's a virus on my Mac. I checked it using ClamAV.

Regards,
Johannes


Am 05.11.2008 um 15:01 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:


Johannes Knaus schrieb:


... i.e. that I'm posting the same message all the time in Bugzilla.
Well, I haven't used Bugzilla since a couple of weeks!
So, I suggest there's someone who uses my Bugzilla account.


I think it's you. You can post to bugzilla by replying emails you  
got from bugzilla. So either you accidentally replied several times  
by email (check your sent emails) or you have a computer virus that  
sends out emails. You can only test the latter by using antivirus  
software.


regards Uwe


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Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one  
night. (Charlie Brown)

Re: Word processor bashing

[Les Denham]

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
 I'm moving this discussion to the users list:

 Patrick Camilleri wrote:
    Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t
  understand all this bashing at other word processors in your
  ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the
  amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern
  Word Processors are indeed very capable tools.

Capable, yes.  Usable, no.

Yesterday I forwarded to a colleague a proposal I had written using LyX.  At 
his request I converted it to ODT format so he could modify it using 
OpenOffice.  As it was a simple document, the ODT version was a rather good 
imitation of the PDF I had exported from LyX.  And it used styles.

But when I got the edited document back, in ODT format, all of my colleague's 
additions were marked as hyperlinks to a non-existent target, and were in a 
blue instead of black, and used a different font.  One item in an unedited 
Enumerate environment had the number underlined.  He had no idea why these 
changes in appearance happened.

I have tried to get him to use LyX, and even installed it on his computer for 
him; but he is uncomfortable with not being able to tweak the appearance the 
way you can do with conventional word processors (never mind that this 
usually results in a messy and hard-to-read document).

It took me over an hour to get the proposal looking decent again using 
OpenOffice: I should have just exported it as text and imported it back into 
LyX.

-- 
Les

~~
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
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Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Johannes Knaus]

Hello,

Stefan wrote me this mail yesterday:

Am 04.11.2008 um 16:04 schrieb Stefan Schimanski:


Hallo!

Du postest die ganze Zeit dieselbe Meldung im Bugzilla: 
http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5447

Grüße
 Stefan


... i.e. that I'm posting the same message all the time in Bugzilla.

Well, I haven't used Bugzilla since a couple of weeks!
So, I suggest there's someone who uses my Bugzilla account.
That makes me upset.
I logged into Bugzilla now and changed my password, but I still feel  
insecure.
Is it possible to completely delete my Bugzilla account so I can  
create a new one if needed again?


Thanks,
Johannes



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Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one  
night. (Charlie Brown)

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote:
 Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well.

  Original Message 
 Subject:  Re: Word processor bashing
 Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500
 From: RGH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   Patrick Camilleri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 References:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ovgu.de

 Patrick Camilleri wrote:
  Dear Sir,
 
Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t
  understand all this bashing at other word processors in your
  ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ŧ the
  amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern
  Word Processors are indeed very capable tools. Styles have been
  supported, at least in Word, since quite some time and not just in ‘most
  recent versions’ as quoted in the footnote on page 2. I already remember
  using Styles in Word 97 and frankly I can’t imagine anybody writing
  anything longer than 4 pages without having any concept of Styles. You
  would go crazy!

 I'd have to go back and look at the Intro to see precisely what it says,
 so I won't defend it (yet). But I will take exception to this last
 claim. I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a
 single person who regularly uses styles.

You know him now :-)

Hi Richard,

By 1988 I used paragraph and character styles for almost every kind of 
appearance, in my mainmatter, in WordPerfect 5.0. After switching to MS Word 
in 1994, I used paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost 
every kind of appearance. After switching to LyX in 2001 I tried my best to 
use paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost every kind 
of appearance, but as I've written (and maybe ranted) often in the past, 
LyX/LaTeX styles are difficult to create for a non-LaTeX-guru.

In about 2005 I briefly flirted with OpenOffice, and dumped it when I realized 
its paragraph and character styles were too quirky to use with any 
confidence.

 Students and colleagues send me 
 papers written in Word all the time, and I'm struggling to remember a
 single time any one of them sent me one that used styles. So, yes,
 certainly styles exist in Word, et al, but those tools do not encourage,
 let alone enforce, the use of such styles, and that is an important
 difference between LyX and standard word processors: LyX is style-based,
 from the ground up, not a finger-painting tool with styles grafted onto
 it. 

I think that's an unfair statement. MS Word styles work quite well and are 
integral to Word. Word's styles are MUCH easier to create than LyX's. One 
could argue that Word doesn't come with document classes that define an 
important set of styles, but Word is distributed with templates that do.

 That's why learning to use LyX, even to write a letter, is such a 
 big adjustment for people. 

For me it's an adjustment because creating a new style can take between an 
hour and 3 days in LyX, but only 5-15 minutes in Word.

 Speaking as a teacher, I often worry that my 
 students are themselves much too worried about formatting even while
 they are writing first drafts, 

That's exactly right.

 and this is in large part because WYSIWYG 
 tools present writing and formatting as one thing and not as two.

I'd put it a little differently -- it's because the students haven't yet 
understood the benefits of consistent appearences through the document, and 
the benefits of change one style and change its appearance throughout the 
document. 

Oh, and some people are just turkeys, and they put 10 fonts on one page and 
think they've been creative.

[clip]
  So in my opinion this isn’t really one of the strong points of LaTeX.
  Rather I find the ability of being able to typeset mathematical equations
  as being one of the strongest points of LaTeX, together with being able
  to seamlessly insert bibliographies and cross-references.

Hi Patrick,

I hardly ever use equations in my books, and usually don't use bibliographies, 
and even if I did it would be easy to do it manually, and I'm pretty sure MS 
Word does bibliographies.

What I like about LyX over MS Word is:

1) LyX is rock stable.
2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 
3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking.
4) LyX is free software. No license tracking.
5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion -- probably better than Word.

LyX is a very fast tool with which I can pound out 2000-3000 words per day, 
and not have to worry about the look of the output -- I know it will be good. 
It's incredibly easy to use. One overlooked benefit is it won't let me put in 
a double space or a double linefeed.

I handle the fact that LyX is much harder than Word to make styles like this: 
When writing and perceiving I need a new style, I make a dummy style, with 
the proper name, and continue writing so as not to lose my train of thought. 

Re: Word processor bashing

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote:

 Obviously most word processors now have styles, for example. Ironically,
 the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open Office 0.9x was one of
 the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that this shortcoming has
 been fixed now.

:-)

Don't be too sure of that!

STeveT

Re: Word processor bashing

[John Kane]

--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Word processor bashing
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:41 AM
 On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote:
 
  Obviously most word processors now have styles, for
 example. Ironically,
  the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open
 Office 0.9x was one of
  the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that
 this shortcoming has
  been fixed now.
 
 :-)
 
 Don't be too sure of that!
 
 STeveT

They work fine for me :)  

Lyx gives much nicer output but it's often easer to use OOo because of 
interoperatabillity with Word. 

I've never figured out how to get Word's styles to work consistantly but that 
was with Word'98.


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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[John Kane]

 From: rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]
 To: lyx-users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:19 PM
I know a lot of
 people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a single
 person who regularly uses styles. 

I suspect that some do but in the documents I get, Styles use seems rare. It 
may be increasing with the new Word2007 toolbar layout. 

I still see a lot of this type of thing.
http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/images/cvpic.jpg

This is from an academic CV of a fairly sucessful professor who in 8-12 years 
in academic as student and prof has never learned to use even basic styles, or 
any other reasonable formatting techniques.


 Speaking as a teacher, I often worry that my
 students are themselves much too worried about formatting
 even while they are writing first drafts, and this is in
 large part because WYSIWYG tools present writing and
 formatting as one thing and not as two.

I think you're right and not just for students.  Some Word documents I see from 
businesses and government are incredible Rube Goldberg documents that look very 
good but are impossible to modify.

 
 For what it's worth, I do use OpenOffice Writer for
 some things, but these are mostly DTP type applications,
 such as a church bulletin or a news letter, and I'd
 probably be better off using Scribus (say) if I only I
 weren't too lazy to learn how to use it. 

Most OOo users would agree :) It's not a DTP tool. 

I use OOo all the time and once you have your own style templates set up it is 
pretty good and even handles large documents quite well but  it does not 
compare to LyX for really professinal output.  

For me, a strange but very handy use of LyX is to convert very badly laid-out 
working documents from Word to something in an article format. It immediately 
is several hundred percent more readable. Unless I have to redo some equations 
(not all that common in the papers I am coverting) I can get a nice clean 
readable paper in 15-30 minutes and can usually save a couple of hours of 
frustration that I would spend trying to read a poorly formatted document. 
Quarter inch margins are such fun!

 



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Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Manveru]

There is a possibility that was not really you. But coincidence of
addresses used by someone else to spam bugzilla.

2008/11/5 Johannes Knaus [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I can assure you that it wasn't me. I haven't written the message.
 I don't even know what that issue on Bugzilla was about.
 Some month ago I  realized a small bug in the Mac rc-version of  Lyx which
 is fixed now (see http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5168).
 That was the only thing I ever did in Bugzilla.
 I never logged in since that time.

 I don't think there's a virus on my Mac. I checked it using ClamAV.

 Regards,
 Johannes


 Am 05.11.2008 um 15:01 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:

 Johannes Knaus schrieb:

 ... i.e. that I'm posting the same message all the time in Bugzilla.
 Well, I haven't used Bugzilla since a couple of weeks!
 So, I suggest there's someone who uses my Bugzilla account.

 I think it's you. You can post to bugzilla by replying emails you got from
 bugzilla. So either you accidentally replied several times by email (check
 your sent emails) or you have a computer virus that sends out emails. You
 can only test the latter by using antivirus software.

 regards Uwe

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 Then a voice says to me, This is going to take more than one night.
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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Helge Hafting]

Steve Litt wrote:
[...]

What I like about LyX over MS Word is:

1) LyX is rock stable.
2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 
3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking.

4) LyX is free software. No license tracking.
5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion -- probably better than Word.



3) is important. All other word processors _can_ produce beautiful 
output. But other word processors lets you screw up much easier. LyX is 
based on styles, instead of having them as options.


Other word processors also force you to do manually what latex does 
automatically. I see a lot of word/oo documents, and some faults repeat 
all the time:


* Ragged right margins - urgh. This has its uses, but single-column A4
  is not one of them. But _everybody_ makes this mistake. Probably
  because it is default?

* The section heading as the last item on a page. Other word processors
  don't seem to prevent this, it is up to the user instead.

* Lots of little font inconsistencies that are quite hard to create
  in LyX. The occational double linefeed.


Errors seen occationally:

* Errors in the TOC. Strange that this is possible at all.

* Bizarre formatting oddities because the user made a formatting
  change that the word processor couldn't handle.
  Yes - changing the appearance of a style is much easier in other
  word processors. But if you actually do that to an existing document,
  then you'll see what happens to all the little manual
  tweaks you have done. Tweaks the word processors ought to do for
  you.

  An interesting test: Change the page layout for a 30-page
  well-formatted document. Different margins and paper size,
  different font size. These things are easily changed in LyX too.
  Don't fix up anything, just make PDFs after changing. The LyX one
  will likely be ok.


Helge Hafting

graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

I inserted a bunch of figures into a lyx document, using graphic files  
(png) that were temporarily located on my desktop (after performing  
many snapshots). I did this for like 10 files. I inserted these  
figures using Insertgraphicbrowse   ... etc.


Now, I would like to delete those graphic pictures from my desktop, to  
clean things up. But I would really want my document to keep the  
figures. Is there any way that LyX can automatically import or  
move the figures used in my document to the same directory I  
the .lyx file is placed so that it keeps them when I then delete them  
from my desktop?


I really hope I don't have to do this manually, i.e. moving each file  
and renaming the graphics location inserts in my .lyx document... That  
would be a major pain!


I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.

BTW: I use 1.5.6 on a Mac OS Leopard.

-Ivan

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Richard Heck]

Manveru wrote:

There is a possibility that was not really you. But coincidence of
addresses used by someone else to spam bugzilla.

  
That's the most likely thing: Someone else's computer is infected, and 
it's using Johannes's email address as the from and just spamming 
everything it finds.


rh

Re: Word processor bashing

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Les Denham wrote:


But when I got the edited document back, in ODT format, all of my
colleague's additions were marked as hyperlinks to a non-existent target,
and were in a blue instead of black, and used a different font.  One item
in an unedited Enumerate environment had the number underlined.  He had no
idea why these changes in appearance happened.


Les,

  One problem with processed words is as you noted: folks get wrapped around
the axle tweaking appearance while ignoring content.

  We've read of these problems when collaborating on writing with others.
Has anyone considered writing drafts in plain text and saving all formatting
until everyone agrees on the content? Heretical, I know, but practical and
will probably save all of you a bunch of time.

  My partner and I do this all the time: I use emacs and he uses vim, but we
have no problems agreeing on content.

Rich

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Richard Heck]

Helge Hafting wrote:

I see a lot of word/oo documents, and some faults repeat all the time:

* The section heading as the last item on a page. Other word processors
  don't seem to prevent this, it is up to the user instead.

This is in large part because people don't use Styles. Most of the 
heading styles have a Keep with next paragraph type setting.


But then, of course, there are other issues, such as the infamous Word 
footnote bug that, from what I can tell, still persists in some places.



Errors seen occationally:

* Errors in the TOC. Strange that this is possible at all.


Let me add:

* Inconsistent reference format and missing bibliography items.

Yes, you can pay through the nose for Endnote or whatever, but people 
don't, and it's not properly integrated.


Richard

Re: graphic files

[Konrad Hofbauer]

Ivan Werning wrote:

I did this for like 10 files. ...

I really hope I don't have to do this manually, ... That 
would be a major pain!


Are you kidding?

For 10 files, doing it manually would have been faster than writing the 
email to the list!


/Konrad

Re: graphic files

[Helge Hafting]

Konrad Hofbauer wrote:

Ivan Werning wrote:

I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.


OK, let's not be evil.
You can do a find/replace directly in the .lyx file using a text editor.


That will only fix the .lyx file, it won't move his image files around.

Don't let a document reference temporary files . . .

Helge Hafting

Re: graphic files

[Erez Yerushalmi]

Hi,

This discussion has been very interesting for me to follow, because I too
have the same questions.

Konrads' second comment, was very practical and useful. A trick to to
remember.

My system has been the following:
Anytime I write a new Lyx file, I open up a new lyx folder with the same
name.
Any graphics I use, I save in the specific lyx folder where the lyx file is
stored.
In MS-word, the graphics is part of the file, and all you need is to open
the word file.
In LyX, I think of the its folder as a file, and move the folder around.

I'm sure this is obvious stuff for most of us, but maybe others haven't
thought of it

Regards,  Erez






On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Helge Hafting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Konrad Hofbauer wrote:

 Ivan Werning wrote:

 I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.


 OK, let's not be evil.
 You can do a find/replace directly in the .lyx file using a text editor.


 That will only fix the .lyx file, it won't move his image files around.

 Don't let a document reference temporary files . . .

 Helge Hafting




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Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Pavel Sanda]

 Manveru wrote:
 There is a possibility that was not really you. But coincidence of
 addresses used by someone else to spam bugzilla.

   
 That's the most likely thing: Someone else's computer is infected, and it's 
 using Johannes's email address as the from and just spamming everything it 
 finds.

the message doesnt look like spam activity, because its quite sensible in the 
context.

maybe this is the same i have encountered before. i tried to use bugzilla via
email and my name was changed into somebody else name, while the message body
remain ok. it was from this reason i stopped use email for bugzilla and use
only web interface.

i just tried to search out that old case and i found the name is OK now!  so i
made new experiment in http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429 in comment
6 and my name was changed into David A. Case. i just wonder when bugzilla
switch it to my name :D

to sum up i think its quite possible its just bugzillas gremlims...
pavel

Re: graphic files

[Robert Orr]

I would just move them myself to the directory where you have your .lyx source 
file.

Then, open the .lyx file in a text editor, and then use find and replace to 
adjust the filename to the new location.




--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Ivan Werning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Ivan Werning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: graphic files
 To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 10:51 AM
 I inserted a bunch of figures into a lyx document, using
 graphic files (png) that were temporarily located on my
 desktop (after performing many snapshots). I did this for
 like 10 files. I inserted these figures using
 Insertgraphicbrowse   ... etc.
 
 Now, I would like to delete those graphic pictures from my
 desktop, to clean things up. But I would really want my
 document to keep the figures. Is there any way that LyX can
 automatically import or move the
 figures used in my document to the same directory I the .lyx
 file is placed so that it keeps them when I then delete them
 from my desktop?
 
 I really hope I don't have to do this manually, i.e.
 moving each file and renaming the graphics location inserts
 in my .lyx document... That would be a major pain!
 
 I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.
 
 BTW: I use 1.5.6 on a Mac OS Leopard.
 
 -Ivan


  

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[David A. Case]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:

 i just tried to search out that old case and i found the name is OK now!  so i
 made new experiment in http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429 in comment
 6 and my name was changed into David A. Case. i just wonder when bugzilla
 switch it to my name :D

Or, how did bugzilla get my name and (old) email address?  I've never used
the lyx bugzilla site at all, either through the web or email.  I have posted
a few comments to the lyx-users mailing list, but don't know how/why that is
relevant.

...dave case

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[sunfire]

Hello LyXers,

Steve Litt schrieb:
 What I like about LyX over MS Word is:

 1) LyX is rock stable.
 2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable.
 3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking.
 4) LyX is free software. No license tracking.
 5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion -- probably better than
 Word.

Another addition to that would also be my (in this case specific)
experience: A colleague and me did our thesis both at the same time. He
used MSWord and I used LyX. Besides the facts mentioned there was the
interesting point of file sizes. We had roughly the same amount of pages
and graphics/images inside (around 130 pages each). The rendered PDF of
my thesis was 2.7 MB, his (made from Word) was 120 MB! Almost the same
size like the original Word document. To be fair - he had to embed his
data because linking was not very reliable in Word (after doing this for
 some time Word messed up with the linking and finally smashed his doc).
Because of this reliability he had also to do backups as often as he
could, so he ended up with some 4 gig of backup. Of course I backuped as
well, but since the LyX file is so small (due to working linking and not
messing up with it) it's not worth mentioning it...
Also when I work with students who write their thesis in Word - even
today the same problems like page numbering not working anymore after
you had to insert some pages before a new chapter etc.
I like LaTeX and LyX also due to the fact that once you have setup your
document properties you can focus on the content!
So I'd like to thank the developers for putting this much effort in the
improvement of LyX. Keep on the good work :-)

Oliver

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Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Pavel Sanda]

 On Wed, Nov 05, 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 
  i just tried to search out that old case and i found the name is OK now!  
  so i
  made new experiment in http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429 in 
  comment
  6 and my name was changed into David A. Case. i just wonder when bugzilla
  switch it to my name :D
 
 Or, how did bugzilla get my name and (old) email address?  I've never used
 the lyx bugzilla site at all, either through the web or email.  I have posted
 a few comments to the lyx-users mailing list, but don't know how/why that is
 relevant.

maybe we just encountered new kind of intelligence emerging :)
more seriously - you havent filed bug 634 ?

pavel

Re: graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Konrad Hofbauer wrote:


Ivan Werning wrote:

I did this for like 10 files. ...
I really hope I don't have to do this manually, ... That would be a  
major pain!


Are you kidding?

For 10 files, doing it manually would have been faster than writing  
the email to the list!


/Konrad



:D

Well, you see, my hope is if there was a feature that I didn't know of  
then I could continue to do this many times. Taking snapshots and  
inserting them is a common need. Saving them (in the future) in a  
particular directory (where my lyx file lives) instead of letting them  
go to the desktop is a possibility, but I would argue that sometimes  
you want to snapshot more than what you will later wish to insert. So  
it could be convenient.


I guess I had in mind a feature that Scientific Workplace has: you can  
save a file in a wrapped format that then saves all the figures and  
next time you open this file format it creates a .tex file with all  
the figure files in the directory you open the file in and with new  
relative file addresses for your graphics. I was hoping there might be  
something similar in lyx,  since that would do it.


In other words, if I have to send a lyx document to someone, my only  
recourse is to figure out what all the accessory figure files are and  
send them along too?


-Ivan

A Bug in RC5?

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi,

I was reading a manual in Lyx RC5 and wanted to check the URL for the bib
tools in the Wiki and I have ended up with a SIGSEGV after having clicked on
the 'Open Inset' option in the context menu of the URL:

  C:/Program Files/LyX16/bin/../Resources/doc/UserGuide.lyx.emergency

lyx: SIGSEGV signal caught
Sorry, you have found a bug in LyX. Please read the bug-reporting
instructions in Help-Introduction and send us a bug report, if necessary.
Thanks !
Bye.

This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual
way.
Please contact the application's support team for more information.
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Re: graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Erez Yerushalmi wrote:


Hi,

This discussion has been very interesting for me to follow, because  
I too

have the same questions.

Konrads' second comment, was very practical and useful. A trick to to
remember.

My system has been the following:
Anytime I write a new Lyx file, I open up a new lyx folder with the  
same

name.
Any graphics I use, I save in the specific lyx folder where the lyx  
file is

stored.
In MS-word, the graphics is part of the file, and all you need is to  
open

the word file.
In LyX, I think of the its folder as a file, and move the folder  
around.


I'm sure this is obvious stuff for most of us, but maybe others  
haven't

thought of it

Regards,  Erez


Exactly, this is kind of a pain. It would be nice to have some kind of  
way of consolidating things without having to do it ourselves. After  
all, when the file is open lyx could know all the needed auxiliary  
(graphics and other) files. -ivan

Re: graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Robert Orr wrote:



I would just move them myself to the directory where you have  
your .lyx source file.


Then, open the .lyx file in a text editor, and then use find and  
replace to adjust the filename to the new location.


I totally agree that that works, but it would be nice to have some  
kind of automated wrap feature. Or else moving the document around, or  
emailing is tricky, unless you keep one directory per document as Erez  
suggested...


As I said: with scientific workplace there is the SAVE AS wrap  
option which consolidates all files into one. You can then email or  
move this file and recreate the unbundled version without knowing  
which files are needed. Lyx is much better for me than sciword, but  
this feature would be useful to have in lyx too. I was curious if  
there is something close to that feature.


-Ivan 

Re: graphic files

[Pavel Sanda]

 Basically, yeah. This was a feature bandied about perhaps two years ago 

more exactly this feature was some time part of lyx 1.6 and called
'embedding feature' or 'bundled format', unfortunately the discussions
about its design and implementation was so heated that we nearly lost
two of core developers and the whole feature was cancelled/removed/postponed
for the time being.

pavel

Re: A Bug in RC5?

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Yes, this is strange: I have chosen open inset, marked the URL and done
CTRL+C to copy it on the clipboard for using it in Firefox and I got the
error.
But, after your mail, I have just tried it again and this time it seems to
have worked without any problem. SInce the log is not very informative, I do
not know what has gone wrong the last time...

Murat

2008/11/5 Rodrigo Fresneda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Rodrigo Fresneda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:56 PM
 Subject: Re: A Bug in RC5?
 To: Murat Yildizoglu [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Hi, if you are referring to the url inset in  section 6.5.2, it works for
 me.
 I am using rc5 in debian (etch) amd64.


 On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Murat Yildizoglu 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I was reading a manual in Lyx RC5 and wanted to check the URL for the bib
  tools in the Wiki and I have ended up with a SIGSEGV after having clicked
  on
  the 'Open Inset' option in the context menu of the URL:
 
   C:/Program Files/LyX16/bin/../Resources/doc/UserGuide.lyx.emergency
 
  lyx: SIGSEGV signal caught
  Sorry, you have found a bug in LyX. Please read the bug-reporting
  instructions in Help-Introduction and send us a bug report, if
 necessary.
  Thanks !
  Bye.
 
  This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual
  way.
  Please contact the application's support team for more information.
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Re: Word processor bashing

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:11:49 -0800 (PST)
Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

SNIP
 
We've read of these problems when collaborating on writing with
 others. Has anyone considered writing drafts in plain text and saving
 all formatting until everyone agrees on the content? Heretical, I
 know, but practical and will probably save all of you a bunch of time.
 
My partner and I do this all the time: I use emacs and he uses
 vim, but we have no problems agreeing on content.

I have also used this method when collaborating. I our case, we decided
to use reStructured Text as a lightweight markup. This not only
allowed us to collaborate easily, but also allowed us to read
intermediate versions in nicely formatted versions. At the end, convert
to LaTeX, import to LyX and finish.

There are a zillion lightweight markup languages, but I personally
think that reST is one of the best thought out. It has a formal
specification and, therefore, the conversion functions (to XHTML,
LaTeX, and OpenOffice.org writer) are robust and produce high quality
output. It can also directly produce S5 slide presentations.

It is no substitute for LyX, and I would not use it generally, but it
does provide a great collaboration medium.

Cheers,
Alan

 
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Re: graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Basically, yeah. This was a feature bandied about perhaps two years  
ago


more exactly this feature was some time part of lyx 1.6 and called
'embedding feature' or 'bundled format', unfortunately the discussions
about its design and implementation was so heated that we nearly lost
two of core developers and the whole feature was cancelled/removed/ 
postponed

for the time being.

pavel


OK, thanks. Yes, better not risk the mother ship for this, it is way  
too valuable... I love my LyX even if I have to edit around the .lyx  
file with text editors!


-Ivan

Re: Problem with geometry package (urgent)

[Les Denham]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008, a e wrote:
 Thank you for answering. Here I post a minimal document

Looks right to me when I generate a PDF.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Micha]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:39:00 -0500
Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote:
  Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well.
 
   Original Message 
  Subject:Re: Word processor bashing
  Date:   Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500
  From:   RGH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Patrick Camilleri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ovgu.de
 
  Patrick Camilleri wrote:
   Dear Sir,
  
 Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t
   understand all this bashing at other word processors in your
   ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ŧ the
   amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern
   Word Processors are indeed very capable tools. Styles have been
   supported, at least in Word, since quite some time and not just in ‘most
   recent versions’ as quoted in the footnote on page 2. I already remember
   using Styles in Word 97 and frankly I can’t imagine anybody writing
   anything longer than 4 pages without having any concept of Styles. You
   would go crazy!

Most people I know ignore styles all together in word. For all my wifes
accademic works, she would write them out and then I would spend a day
convrting everything to styles to get it to be consistent.

They are a pain though with word as it's very difficult to find where styles
are not applied or are modified and it can go crazy over small modifications.
The only sane way I found to work with styles in word is in outline mode, which
is much closer to latex in approach.

 
  I'd have to go back and look at the Intro to see precisely what it says,
  so I won't defend it (yet). But I will take exception to this last
  claim. I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a
  single person who regularly uses styles.
 
 You know him now :-)
 
 Hi Richard,
 
 By 1988 I used paragraph and character styles for almost every kind of 
 appearance, in my mainmatter, in WordPerfect 5.0. After switching to MS Word 
 in 1994, I used paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost 
 every kind of appearance. After switching to LyX in 2001 I tried my best to 
 use paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost every kind 
 of appearance, but as I've written (and maybe ranted) often in the past, 
 LyX/LaTeX styles are difficult to create for a non-LaTeX-guru.
 

One of the advantages with lyx/latex is that I haven't found the need yet. And
the small amount I have needed was always either done by some package or other
or can be very easily achieved with \newcommand

 In about 2005 I briefly flirted with OpenOffice, and dumped it when I
 realized its paragraph and character styles were too quirky to use with any 
 confidence.
 

It can be annoying. 

  Students and colleagues send me 
  papers written in Word all the time, and I'm struggling to remember a
  single time any one of them sent me one that used styles. So, yes,
  certainly styles exist in Word, et al, but those tools do not encourage,
  let alone enforce, the use of such styles, and that is an important
  difference between LyX and standard word processors: LyX is style-based,
  from the ground up, not a finger-painting tool with styles grafted onto
  it. 

I just refuse to accept word documents. I tell my students that if they want to
send me text, either write it as text, convert it to pdf or scan it in hand
writing. Since my work is equations (mathematics) I can never read them
properly in word format.

I haven't found a good reason yet not to force my will on other people on this
point and I tend to be rather stubborn ... ;-)

 
 I think that's an unfair statement. MS Word styles work quite well and are 
 integral to Word. Word's styles are MUCH easier to create than LyX's. One 
 could argue that Word doesn't come with document classes that define an 
 important set of styles, but Word is distributed with templates that do.
 

They are easier to make than lyx but a hell to keep consistent as word has a
serious tendency to locally tweak or forget them for some reason. I also tried
working with them in word 2007 and it was hell with the new and terrible ribbon.

  That's why learning to use LyX, even to write a letter, is such a 
  big adjustment for people. 
 

Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. Writing a paper or god forbid a thesis in
word is torture. Mixing ltr and rtl languages and to be so bold as to throw in
a few equations under word is nearly impossible, styles or not.

 For me it's an adjustment because creating a new style can take between an 
 hour and 3 days in LyX, but only 5-15 minutes in Word.
 
  Speaking as a teacher, I often worry that my 
  students are themselves much too worried about formatting even while
  they are writing first drafts, 
 
 That's exactly right.
 
  and this is in large part because WYSIWYG 
  

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[=??B?SsO8cmdlbiBTcGl0em3DvGxsZXI=?=]

David A. Case wrote:

 Or, how did bugzilla get my name and (old) email address?  I've never used
 the lyx bugzilla site at all, either through the web or email.  I have
 posted a few comments to the lyx-users mailing list, but don't know
 how/why that is relevant.

David, shall I disable that account?

J??rgen

Changing section headings?

[Mitchell Mebane]

I'm working on cleaning up the constitution for a student organization, 
and it seems that we can never get our Word document entirely 
consistent.  So I'd like to convert it to LyX.


However, we have headings like Article I. Purpose and Goals and 
Section 1. Purpose.


I'd like to use standard paragraph environments to get automatic 
numbering, but I need some way of changing, e.g., Part I to Article 
I. and 1 to Section 1..  How would I go about doing this?  I've 
done some web searching, but to no avail...


Thanks,
Mitchell Mebane

Re: How to insert colored program listing in LYX

[Siegfried MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL]

Title: MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL




Hello,
Yes, if you first insert the Listings inset and after, you paste your
code ( special paste and plain text ... or something like that ... my
LyX speaks french ! ).
On the screen it was OK and the tree wasn't affected. 
Remember I'm on Windows XP with LyX 1.5.6, it can be different with
linux.
In my case, the problem with the listings solution was that I was
unable to produce an ouput. No message, nothing and no output ( I think
that LaTeX wasn't called ...). I think it's a problem of characters but
I don't have time to investigate.
The solution with LyX Code produced a good rendering of the directory
tree on the PDF output.

Siegfried.
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Re: How to insert colored program listing in LYX

[Siegfried MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL]

Hello,

Yes, if you choose a fixed length font like Courrier, the layout of the 
listing is left as in your text editor, with the possibility of syntax 
highlighting, line numbering and a lot of other possibilities.
For me it works very well : I teach Fortran and I use a lot of program 
extracts in my documents.
The only problem I had was with the trees ... they use special 
characters and it seems to block LyX...


Siegfried.

Re: Word processor bashing

[killermike]

Patrick Camilleri wrote:


  Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I 
don’t
understand all this bashing at other word processors in your 
‘Introduction
to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the amount of 
time
one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern Word 
Processors

are indeed very capable tools.


I agree with Patrick's points. This is why I created the "LyX users and 
developers" facebook group to supersede the LyX group with a 
Word-bashing name.


I choose LyX as my writing system but both approaches have their 
respective merits. LyX+Latex isn't without it's problems. My recent 
attempts modify the format of things like section titles reminded me of 
using Linux in the early 90s - i.e. hours and hours spent doing 
something that would take minutes in other systems.


Obviously most word processors now have styles, for example. Ironically, 
the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open Office 0.9x was one of 
the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that this shortcoming has 
been fixed now.


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freelance writer

Re: Problem with geometry package (urgent)

[a e]

Hi Les:

Thank you for answering. Here I post a minimal document

Options (book). Font: 12pt, Two sided:
Preamble:

\usepackage[a4paper,twoside,includeall,outer= 2.5 cm,inner= 0.75 cm,
vmarginratio=4:5,textheight= 25 cm,ignoremp,bindingoffset= 0.5
cm,pdftex]{geometry}

LyX combines the power and flexibility of TeX/LaTeX with the ease of use of a 
graphical interface. This results in world-class support for creation of 
mathematical content (via a fully integrated equation editor) and structured 
documents like academic articles, theses, and books. In addition, staples of 
scientific authoring such as reference list and index creation come standard. 
But you can also use LyX to create a letter or a novel or a theatre play or 
film script. A broad array of ready, well-designed document layouts are built 
in. LyX is for people who want their writing to look great, right out of the 
box. No more endless tinkering with formatting details, “finger painting” font 
attributes or futzing around with page boundaries. You just write. On screen, 
LyX looks like any word processor; its printed output — or richly 
cross-referenced PDF, just as readily produced — looks like nothing else. LyX 
is released under a Free Software / Open
 Source license, runs on Linux/Unix, Windows, and Mac OS X, and is available in 
several languages

With this, the final pdf corresponds (logically) to an odd page, and the final 
margins are:

leftside = 2 cm != inner+bindingoffset = 1.25cm
rightside = 3 cm != outer = 2.5 cm


  

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Johannes Knaus]

I can assure you that it wasn't me. I haven't written the message.
I don't even know what that issue on Bugzilla was about.
Some month ago I  realized a small bug in the Mac rc-version of  Lyx  
which is fixed now (see http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5168).

That was the only thing I ever did in Bugzilla.
I never logged in since that time.

I don't think there's a virus on my Mac. I checked it using ClamAV.

Regards,
Johannes


Am 05.11.2008 um 15:01 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:


Johannes Knaus schrieb:


... i.e. that I'm posting the same message all the time in Bugzilla.
Well, I haven't used Bugzilla since a couple of weeks!
So, I suggest there's someone who uses my Bugzilla account.


I think it's you. You can post to bugzilla by replying emails you  
got from bugzilla. So either you accidentally replied several times  
by email (check your sent emails) or you have a computer virus that  
sends out emails. You can only test the latter by using antivirus  
software.


regards Uwe


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Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one  
night." (Charlie Brown)

Re: Word processor bashing

[Les Denham]

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> I'm moving this discussion to the users list:
>
> Patrick Camilleri wrote:
> >   Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t
> > understand all this bashing at other word processors in your
> > ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the
> > amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern
> > Word Processors are indeed very capable tools.

Capable, yes.  Usable, no.

Yesterday I forwarded to a colleague a proposal I had written using LyX.  At 
his request I converted it to ODT format so he could modify it using 
OpenOffice.  As it was a simple document, the ODT version was a rather good 
imitation of the PDF I had exported from LyX.  And it used styles.

But when I got the edited document back, in ODT format, all of my colleague's 
additions were marked as hyperlinks to a non-existent target, and were in a 
blue instead of black, and used a different font.  One item in an unedited 
Enumerate environment had the number underlined.  He had no idea why these 
changes in appearance happened.

I have tried to get him to use LyX, and even installed it on his computer for 
him; but he is uncomfortable with not being able to tweak the appearance the 
way you can do with conventional word processors (never mind that this 
usually results in a messy and hard-to-read document).

It took me over an hour to get the proposal looking decent again using 
OpenOffice: I should have just exported it as text and imported it back into 
LyX.

-- 
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~~
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Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Johannes Knaus]

Hello,

Stefan wrote me this mail yesterday:

Am 04.11.2008 um 16:04 schrieb Stefan Schimanski:


Hallo!

Du postest die ganze Zeit dieselbe Meldung im Bugzilla: 
http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5447

Grüße
 Stefan


... i.e. that I'm posting the same message all the time in Bugzilla.

Well, I haven't used Bugzilla since a couple of weeks!
So, I suggest there's someone who uses my Bugzilla account.
That makes me upset.
I logged into Bugzilla now and changed my password, but I still feel  
insecure.
Is it possible to completely delete my Bugzilla account so I can  
create a new one if needed again?


Thanks,
Johannes



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Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one  
night." (Charlie Brown)

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote:
> Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well.
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject:  Re: Word processor bashing
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500
> From: RGH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:   Patrick Camilleri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> References:   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ovgu.de>
>
> Patrick Camilleri wrote:
> > Dear Sir,
> >
> >   Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t
> > understand all this bashing at other word processors in your
> > ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ŧ the
> > amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find out that modern
> > Word Processors are indeed very capable tools. Styles have been
> > supported, at least in Word, since quite some time and not just in ‘most
> > recent versions’ as quoted in the footnote on page 2. I already remember
> > using Styles in Word 97 and frankly I can’t imagine anybody writing
> > anything longer than 4 pages without having any concept of Styles. You
> > would go crazy!
>
> I'd have to go back and look at the Intro to see precisely what it says,
> so I won't defend it (yet). But I will take exception to this last
> claim. I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a
> single person who regularly uses styles.

You know him now :-)

Hi Richard,

By 1988 I used paragraph and character styles for almost every kind of 
appearance, in my mainmatter, in WordPerfect 5.0. After switching to MS Word 
in 1994, I used paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost 
every kind of appearance. After switching to LyX in 2001 I tried my best to 
use paragraph and character styles, in my mainmatter, for almost every kind 
of appearance, but as I've written (and maybe ranted) often in the past, 
LyX/LaTeX styles are difficult to create for a non-LaTeX-guru.

In about 2005 I briefly flirted with OpenOffice, and dumped it when I realized 
its paragraph and character styles were too quirky to use with any 
confidence.

> Students and colleagues send me 
> papers written in Word all the time, and I'm struggling to remember a
> single time any one of them sent me one that used styles. So, yes,
> certainly styles exist in Word, et al, but those tools do not encourage,
> let alone enforce, the use of such styles, and that is an important
> difference between LyX and standard word processors: LyX is style-based,
> from the ground up, not a finger-painting tool with styles grafted onto
> it. 

I think that's an unfair statement. MS Word styles work quite well and are 
integral to Word. Word's styles are MUCH easier to create than LyX's. One 
could argue that Word doesn't come with document classes that define an 
important set of styles, but Word is distributed with templates that do.

> That's why learning to use LyX, even to write a letter, is such a 
> big adjustment for people. 

For me it's an adjustment because creating a new style can take between an 
hour and 3 days in LyX, but only 5-15 minutes in Word.

> Speaking as a teacher, I often worry that my 
> students are themselves much too worried about formatting even while
> they are writing first drafts, 

That's exactly right.

> and this is in large part because WYSIWYG 
> tools present writing and formatting as one thing and not as two.

I'd put it a little differently -- it's because the students haven't yet 
understood the benefits of consistent appearences through the document, and 
the benefits of change one style and change its appearance throughout the 
document. 

Oh, and some people are just turkeys, and they put 10 fonts on one page and 
think they've been creative.

[clip]
> > So in my opinion this isn’t really one of the strong points of LaTeX.
> > Rather I find the ability of being able to typeset mathematical equations
> > as being one of the strongest points of LaTeX, together with being able
> > to seamlessly insert bibliographies and cross-references.

Hi Patrick,

I hardly ever use equations in my books, and usually don't use bibliographies, 
and even if I did it would be easy to do it manually, and I'm pretty sure MS 
Word does bibliographies.

What I like about LyX over MS Word is:

1) LyX is rock stable.
2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 
3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking.
4) LyX is free software. No license tracking.
5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion -- probably better than Word.

LyX is a very fast tool with which I can pound out 2000-3000 words per day, 
and not have to worry about the look of the output -- I know it will be good. 
It's incredibly easy to use. One overlooked benefit is it won't let me put in 
a double space or a double linefeed.

I handle the fact that LyX is much harder than Word to make styles like this: 
When writing and perceiving I need a new style, I make a dummy style, with 
the 

Re: Word processor bashing

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote:

> Obviously most word processors now have styles, for example. Ironically,
> the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open Office 0.9x was one of
> the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that this shortcoming has
> been fixed now.

:-)

Don't be too sure of that!

STeveT

Re: Word processor bashing

[John Kane]

--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Word processor bashing
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Received: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:41 AM
> On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote:
> 
> > Obviously most word processors now have styles, for
> example. Ironically,
> > the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open
> Office 0.9x was one of
> > the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that
> this shortcoming has
> > been fixed now.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Don't be too sure of that!
> 
> STeveT

They work fine for me :)  

Lyx gives much nicer output but it's often easer to use OOo because of 
interoperatabillity with Word. 

I've never figured out how to get Word's styles to work consistantly but that 
was with Word'98.


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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[John Kane]

> From: rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]
> To: "lyx-users" 
> Received: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:19 PM
>I know a lot of
> people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a single
> person who regularly uses styles. 

I suspect that some do but in the documents I get, Styles use seems rare. It 
may be increasing with the new Word2007 toolbar layout. 

I still see a lot of this type of thing.
http://ca.geocities.com/jrkrideau/images/cvpic.jpg

This is from an academic CV of a fairly sucessful professor who in 8-12 years 
in academic as student and prof has never learned to use even basic styles, or 
any other reasonable formatting techniques.


> Speaking as a teacher, I often worry that my
> students are themselves much too worried about formatting
> even while they are writing first drafts, and this is in
> large part because WYSIWYG tools present writing and
> formatting as one thing and not as two.

I think you're right and not just for students.  Some Word documents I see from 
businesses and government are incredible Rube Goldberg documents that look very 
good but are impossible to modify.

> 
> For what it's worth, I do use OpenOffice Writer for
> some things, but these are mostly DTP type applications,
> such as a church bulletin or a news letter, and I'd
> probably be better off using Scribus (say) if I only I
> weren't too lazy to learn how to use it. 

Most OOo users would agree :) It's not a DTP tool. 

I use OOo all the time and once you have your own style templates set up it is 
pretty good and even handles large documents quite well but  it does not 
compare to LyX for really professinal output.  

For me, a strange but very handy use of LyX is to convert very badly laid-out 
working documents from Word to something in an article format. It immediately 
is several hundred percent more readable. Unless I have to redo some equations 
(not all that common in the papers I am coverting) I can get a nice clean 
readable paper in 15-30 minutes and can usually save a couple of hours of 
frustration that I would spend trying to read a poorly formatted document. 
Quarter inch margins are such fun!

 



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Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Manveru]

There is a possibility that was not really you. But coincidence of
addresses used by someone else to spam bugzilla.

2008/11/5 Johannes Knaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I can assure you that it wasn't me. I haven't written the message.
> I don't even know what that issue on Bugzilla was about.
> Some month ago I  realized a small bug in the Mac rc-version of  Lyx which
> is fixed now (see http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5168).
> That was the only thing I ever did in Bugzilla.
> I never logged in since that time.
>
> I don't think there's a virus on my Mac. I checked it using ClamAV.
>
> Regards,
> Johannes
>
>
> Am 05.11.2008 um 15:01 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
>
>> Johannes Knaus schrieb:
>>
>>> ... i.e. that I'm posting the same message all the time in Bugzilla.
>>> Well, I haven't used Bugzilla since a couple of weeks!
>>> So, I suggest there's someone who uses my Bugzilla account.
>>
>> I think it's you. You can post to bugzilla by replying emails you got from
>> bugzilla. So either you accidentally replied several times by email (check
>> your sent emails) or you have a computer virus that sends out emails. You
>> can only test the latter by using antivirus software.
>>
>> regards Uwe
>
> --
>
> Sometimes I lie awake at night, and ask, "Where have I gone wrong?"
> Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
> (Charlie Brown)
>
>
>



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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Helge Hafting]

Steve Litt wrote:
[...]

What I like about LyX over MS Word is:

1) LyX is rock stable.
2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 
3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking.

4) LyX is free software. No license tracking.
5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion -- probably better than Word.



3) is important. All other word processors _can_ produce beautiful 
output. But other word processors lets you screw up much easier. LyX is 
based on styles, instead of having them as "options".


Other word processors also force you to do manually what latex does 
automatically. I see a lot of word/oo documents, and some faults repeat 
all the time:


* Ragged right margins - urgh. This has its uses, but single-column A4
  is not one of them. But _everybody_ makes this mistake. Probably
  because it is default?

* The section heading as the last item on a page. Other word processors
  don't seem to prevent this, it is up to the user instead.

* Lots of little font inconsistencies that are quite hard to create
  in LyX. The occational double linefeed.


Errors seen occationally:

* Errors in the TOC. Strange that this is possible at all.

* Bizarre formatting oddities because the user made a formatting
  change that the word processor couldn't handle.
  Yes - changing the appearance of a style is much easier in other
  word processors. But if you actually do that to an existing document,
  then you'll see what happens to all the little manual
  tweaks you have done. Tweaks the word processors ought to do for
  you.

  An interesting test: Change the page layout for a 30-page
  well-formatted document. Different margins and paper size,
  different font size. These things are easily changed in LyX too.
  Don't "fix up" anything, just make PDFs after changing. The LyX one
  will likely be ok.


Helge Hafting

graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

I inserted a bunch of figures into a lyx document, using graphic files  
(png) that were temporarily located on my desktop (after performing  
many snapshots). I did this for like 10 files. I inserted these  
figures using Insert>graphic>browse   ... etc.


Now, I would like to delete those graphic pictures from my desktop, to  
clean things up. But I would really want my document to keep the  
figures. Is there any way that LyX can automatically "import" or  
"move" the figures used in my document to the same directory I  
the .lyx file is placed so that it keeps them when I then delete them  
from my desktop?


I really hope I don't have to do this manually, i.e. moving each file  
and renaming the graphics location inserts in my .lyx document... That  
would be a major pain!


I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.

BTW: I use 1.5.6 on a Mac OS Leopard.

-Ivan

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Richard Heck]

Manveru wrote:

There is a possibility that was not really you. But coincidence of
addresses used by someone else to spam bugzilla.

  
That's the most likely thing: Someone else's computer is infected, and 
it's using Johannes's email address as the from and just spamming 
everything it finds.


rh

Re: Word processor bashing

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Les Denham wrote:


But when I got the edited document back, in ODT format, all of my
colleague's additions were marked as hyperlinks to a non-existent target,
and were in a blue instead of black, and used a different font.  One item
in an unedited Enumerate environment had the number underlined.  He had no
idea why these changes in appearance happened.


Les,

  One problem with processed words is as you noted: folks get wrapped around
the axle tweaking appearance while ignoring content.

  We've read of these problems when collaborating on writing with others.
Has anyone considered writing drafts in plain text and saving all formatting
until everyone agrees on the content? Heretical, I know, but practical and
will probably save all of you a bunch of time.

  My partner and I do this all the time: I use emacs and he uses vim, but we
have no problems agreeing on content.

Rich

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[Richard Heck]

Helge Hafting wrote:

I see a lot of word/oo documents, and some faults repeat all the time:

* The section heading as the last item on a page. Other word processors
  don't seem to prevent this, it is up to the user instead.

This is in large part because people don't use Styles. Most of the 
heading styles have a "Keep with next paragraph" type setting.


But then, of course, there are other issues, such as the infamous Word 
footnote bug that, from what I can tell, still persists in some places.



Errors seen occationally:

* Errors in the TOC. Strange that this is possible at all.


Let me add:

* Inconsistent reference format and missing bibliography items.

Yes, you can pay through the nose for Endnote or whatever, but people 
don't, and it's not properly integrated.


Richard

Re: graphic files

[Konrad Hofbauer]

Ivan Werning wrote:

I did this for like 10 files. ...

I really hope I don't have to do this manually, ... That 
would be a major pain!


Are you kidding?

For 10 files, doing it manually would have been faster than writing the 
email to the list!


/Konrad

Re: graphic files

[Helge Hafting]

Konrad Hofbauer wrote:

Ivan Werning wrote:

I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.


OK, let's not be evil.
You can do a find/replace directly in the .lyx file using a text editor.


That will only fix the .lyx file, it won't move his image files around.

Don't let a document reference temporary files . . .

Helge Hafting

Re: graphic files

[Erez Yerushalmi]

Hi,

This discussion has been very interesting for me to follow, because I too
have the same questions.

Konrads' second comment, was very practical and useful. A trick to to
remember.

My system has been the following:
Anytime I write a new Lyx file, I open up a new lyx folder with the same
name.
Any graphics I use, I save in the specific lyx folder where the lyx file is
stored.
In MS-word, the graphics is part of the file, and all you need is to open
the word file.
In LyX, I think of the its folder as a file, and move the folder around.

I'm sure this is obvious stuff for most of us, but maybe others haven't
thought of it

Regards,  Erez






On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Konrad Hofbauer wrote:
>
>> Ivan Werning wrote:
>>
>>> I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.
>>>
>>
>> OK, let's not be evil.
>> You can do a find/replace directly in the .lyx file using a text editor.
>>
>
> That will only fix the .lyx file, it won't move his image files around.
>
> Don't let a document reference temporary files . . .
>
> Helge Hafting
>



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Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Pavel Sanda]

> Manveru wrote:
>> There is a possibility that was not really you. But coincidence of
>> addresses used by someone else to spam bugzilla.
>>
>>   
> That's the most likely thing: Someone else's computer is infected, and it's 
> using Johannes's email address as the from and just spamming everything it 
> finds.

the message doesnt look like spam activity, because its quite sensible in the 
context.

maybe this is the same i have encountered before. i tried to use bugzilla via
email and my name was changed into somebody else name, while the message body
remain ok. it was from this reason i stopped use email for bugzilla and use
only web interface.

i just tried to search out that old case and i found the name is OK now!  so i
made new experiment in http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429 in comment
6 and my name was changed into David A. Case. i just wonder when bugzilla
switch it to my name :D

to sum up i think its quite possible its just bugzillas gremlims...
pavel

Re: graphic files

[Robert Orr]

I would just move them myself to the directory where you have your .lyx source 
file.

Then, open the .lyx file in a text editor, and then use find and replace to 
adjust the filename to the new location.




--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Ivan Werning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Ivan Werning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: graphic files
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 10:51 AM
> I inserted a bunch of figures into a lyx document, using
> graphic files (png) that were temporarily located on my
> desktop (after performing many snapshots). I did this for
> like 10 files. I inserted these figures using
> Insert>graphic>browse   ... etc.
> 
> Now, I would like to delete those graphic pictures from my
> desktop, to clean things up. But I would really want my
> document to keep the figures. Is there any way that LyX can
> automatically "import" or "move" the
> figures used in my document to the same directory I the .lyx
> file is placed so that it keeps them when I then delete them
> from my desktop?
> 
> I really hope I don't have to do this manually, i.e.
> moving each file and renaming the graphics location inserts
> in my .lyx document... That would be a major pain!
> 
> I'd appreciate any help/suggestion.
> 
> BTW: I use 1.5.6 on a Mac OS Leopard.
> 
> -Ivan


  

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[David A. Case]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:

> i just tried to search out that old case and i found the name is OK now!  so i
> made new experiment in http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429 in comment
> 6 and my name was changed into David A. Case. i just wonder when bugzilla
> switch it to my name :D

Or, how did bugzilla get my name and (old) email address?  I've never used
the lyx bugzilla site at all, either through the web or email.  I have posted
a few comments to the lyx-users mailing list, but don't know how/why that is
relevant.

...dave case

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

[sunfire]

Hello LyXers,

Steve Litt schrieb:
> What I like about LyX over MS Word is:
>
> 1) LyX is rock stable.
> 2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable.
> 3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking.
> 4) LyX is free software. No license tracking.
> 5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion -- probably better than
> Word.

Another addition to that would also be my (in this case specific)
experience: A colleague and me did our thesis both at the same time. He
used MSWord and I used LyX. Besides the facts mentioned there was the
interesting point of file sizes. We had roughly the same amount of pages
and graphics/images inside (around 130 pages each). The rendered PDF of
my thesis was 2.7 MB, his (made from Word) was 120 MB! Almost the same
size like the original Word document. To be fair - he had to embed his
data because linking was not very reliable in Word (after doing this for
 some time Word messed up with the linking and finally smashed his doc).
Because of this "reliability" he had also to do backups as often as he
could, so he ended up with some 4 gig of backup. Of course I backuped as
well, but since the LyX file is so small (due to working linking and not
messing up with it) it's not worth mentioning it...
Also when I work with students who write their thesis in Word - even
today the same problems like page numbering not working anymore after
you had to insert some pages before a new chapter etc.
I like LaTeX and LyX also due to the fact that once you have setup your
document properties you can focus on the content!
So I'd like to thank the developers for putting this much effort in the
improvement of LyX. Keep on the good work :-)

Oliver

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Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

Re: Someone uses my Bugzilla account

[Pavel Sanda]

> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> 
> > i just tried to search out that old case and i found the name is OK now!  
> > so i
> > made new experiment in http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5429 in 
> > comment
> > 6 and my name was changed into David A. Case. i just wonder when bugzilla
> > switch it to my name :D
> 
> Or, how did bugzilla get my name and (old) email address?  I've never used
> the lyx bugzilla site at all, either through the web or email.  I have posted
> a few comments to the lyx-users mailing list, but don't know how/why that is
> relevant.

maybe we just encountered new kind of intelligence emerging :)
more seriously - you havent filed bug 634 ?

pavel

Re: graphic files

[Ivan Werning]

On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Konrad Hofbauer wrote:


Ivan Werning wrote:

I did this for like 10 files. ...
I really hope I don't have to do this manually, ... That would be a  
major pain!


Are you kidding?

For 10 files, doing it manually would have been faster than writing  
the email to the list!


/Konrad



:D

Well, you see, my hope is if there was a feature that I didn't know of  
then I could continue to do this many times. Taking snapshots and  
inserting them is a common need. Saving them (in the future) in a  
particular directory (where my lyx file lives) instead of letting them  
go to the desktop is a possibility, but I would argue that sometimes  
you want to snapshot more than what you will later wish to insert. So  
it could be convenient.


I guess I had in mind a feature that Scientific Workplace has: you can  
save a file in a wrapped format that then saves all the figures and  
next time you open this file format it creates a .tex file with all  
the figure files in the directory you open the file in and with new  
relative file addresses for your graphics. I was hoping there might be  
something similar in lyx,  since that would do it.


In other words, if I have to send a lyx document to someone, my only  
recourse is to figure out what all the accessory figure files are and  
send them along too?


-Ivan