Re: Index question

2013-04-05 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Donnerstag, 4. April 2013, 17:36:05 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

I have experimented a bit in the meantime.

1- If I take out the lyx_tmpdir.T15697/lyx_tmpbuf3$
from  /tmp/
LyX refuses to run my file.

2- If I export my file as plain latex and run

latex myfile
three times and afterward 
bibtex myfile
and 
dvips

the dvi file does not show the 
two index files

although the log file ilg tells me:

This is makeindex, version 2.15 [TeX Live 2012] (kpathsea + Thai support).
Scanning style file /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist...
** Input style error (file = /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist, line = 70):
   -- Unknown specifier lethead_prefix.
** Input style error (file = /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist, line = 71):
   -- Unknown specifier lethead_suffix.
** Input style error (file = /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist, line = 72):
   -- Unknown specifier lethead_flag.
...done (10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).
Scanning input file Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.nlodone (2 entries 
accepted, 0 rejected).
Sorting entriesdone (2 comparisons).
Generating output file Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.nlsdone (10 lines 
written, 0 warnings).
Output written in Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.nls.
Transcript written in Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.ilg.

I am ratlos (confused)

Wolfgang

 Could somebody tell me whether I can delete the
 /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.T15697/lyx_tmpbuf3$
 (Debian; Lyx 2.0.5.1)
 
 This is my problem:
 I have created a keyword index and a names index.
 The names index gives me an error:
 ] [122] [123
]) (./Blumenuhr-neu20130314BX.20-nem.ind [124
]
! Extra }, or forgotten \endgroup.
l.3 ...lash {}textit\{Leptinotarsa decemlineata\}}
 No error, if I take the names index box at the end of my book
 (komascript) out.
 
 I tried to localize the error by taking almost all of the text away
 (except title author address and two lines with text)
 
 I still get an error:
  \renewcommand\nomname
   {GLOSSARY ABBREVIATIONS}
 Try typing  return  to proceed.
 If that doesn't work, type  X return  to quit.
 
 since this command is not in the shortened document, and since it
 appears also, if I rename the document and run it again,
 
 I suspect that some files in the
 /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.T15697/lyx_tmpbuf3$
 are the reason, such as the
 .idx .ilg or .ind
 
 I would very much appreciate the help of somebody who knows whats going
 on.
 
 Wolfgang


Re: Index question

2013-04-05 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Freitag, 5. April 2013, 10:17:59 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:
 Am Donnerstag, 4. April 2013, 17:36:05 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

sorry, I checked again the dvi file and it shows both index entries. 
However, lyx does not. It chokes with

]
! Extra }, or forgotten \endgroup.
l.3 ...lash {}textit\{Leptinotarsa decemlineata\}}

which is from an index entrance in a Namensverzeichnis (index of names):

Leptinotarsa decemlineata@\textit{Leptinotarsa decemlineata}
an alternative for \textit would have been \textemph
both should produce slanted names. 

###But I did here probably something wrong###

I read again 6.6.5 of the user guide of LyX helps:

In general, we encourage you to not format page numbers directly as shown 
above. Instead, you should define a macro in the preamble and use that. 
Maybe you want all page references italic that refer to a definition of the 
indexed term, so that users can easily find definitions. If so, put the 
following in the preamble

\newcommand{\IndexDef}[1]{\textit{#1}}

and write

my entry|IndexDef

in the index entry.
The advantage is that, if you change your mind later or if your publisher 
insists that definitions must not be italic but bold, you just need to 
change the macro in the preamble, not every single index entry.

###I will try this and ask again if I do not succed###

Thanks for your patience,

Wolfgang


Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread John Kane





 From: stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com
To: Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu 
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:04:41 AM
Subject: Re: feature request: ribbon menus
 



On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu wrote:

If ribbon menus is what Windows has in their menus, that is only the first
few items are shown and then you have to click an arrow to make other
menu items visible, 


That used to be what ribbon menus were all about, hence the name.

They no longer have the ribbon-like functionality now, but the name has 
apparently stuck. No wonder you are confused, so is everyone else not working 
on Windows. Here is a link to a Microsoft Word screen shot showing the ribbon:

http://techhelpvideos.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/word-2007_2003-menus.jpg


Ah, I remember them. I had to use Word a few months ago and those ribbons make 
a 10 minute job 30 minutes of hell.  



You'll find a gazillion more on Google Images

In my experience, most people not working on Microsoft Office on a daily basis 
(Mac versions have ribbons too) find them confusing.  I would certainly not 
impose them on Linux/non-Office users.


Cheers,

S.


-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic Studies            Ph:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University                          Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org 

Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Alex Vergara Gil


- Original Message - 
From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: feature request: ribbon menus



On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:31:07 +0200 (CEST)
Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu wrote:


Alex Vergara Gil a...@cphr.edu.cu írta:

Hello developers!

I have a feature request if this is not already 
requested to you: Ribbon Menus.

I don't know what ribbon menus is, and I may not be the only one.
You should have explained it, attached an image, or given a link
where it is explained.


The way I see it, if LyX developers were to have enough time to put in
this UI eye candy, that time would be much better spent, for instance,
finishing the job of making LyX a full outliner that can add, delete,
change and move nodes. Or something else necessary or highly desirable
for someone who actually uses it to create large volumes of content.

Next thing you know, somebody will ask for an io/s looking interface to
match his iPhone.

SteveT


Changes in UI like this one takes to anyone just 1 day, it is just a matter 
of decide to make it or not, however the changes you mentioned take a lot of 
coding and a lot of man-hour work, so the time scale is not comparable.


On the other hand ribbon menus once you get use to them you find your 
productivity increasing, actually LyX has something that is like this: The 
math toolbar, which groups several common operators in just one menu and 
have several menus grouped by functionality. If the ribbon appearance is 
problematic then you can create something like the math toolbar for every 
toolbar and put them in just one toolbar. I see people here who argue with 
this because they would not have everything in front of their eyes, really!! 
then why don´t you complain of not having every single option visible in 
toolbars? What I beg is an UI organization grouping icons by functionality, 
so the resulting toolbar (or ribbon menu) should be smaller and highly 
configurable. Come on people, not only M$ do this, even Apple and there are 
some linux programs that are using a similar approach right now. Static 
toolbars are obsolete in terms of modern GUIs. This request is not for 
beautyness but for increasing productivity.


As I said this is my personal opinion so I migth be wrong, but I haven´t 
received any useful opinion (besides M$ patent) of why not doing such a 
thing just a few user complaining they will affect some how what they feel 
is comfortable. Regarding the patent believe me that if they patent 0s and 
1s then we are definitively lost.:)


Alex






Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Walter van Holst

On 2013-04-05 16:49, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:


As I said this is my personal opinion so I migth be wrong, but I
haven´t received any useful opinion (besides M$ patent) of why not
doing such a thing just a few user complaining they will affect some
how what they feel is comfortable. Regarding the patent believe me
that if they patent 0s and 1s then we are definitively lost.:)


Several people have responded that ribbon  menus have limited use to 
them, to say the least. I don't think that is a useless opinion.


As someone who spends most of his working hours in Microsoft's ribbon 
menus, allow me to add to the chorus that ribbon menus tend to be 
spiteful and useless. And no, they don't really grow on you. I have no 
idea what flavour of LSD Microsoft's usability experts have been 
consuming, but I hope it is widely available so that if I ever contract 
a terminal disease I'd like to spend my final hours tripping on that 
stuff.


I'd much rather have people spend time on a concurrent user web 
front-end. Or a curses front-end to LyX. Either of these two are more 
likely to serve users well than the bloody ribbon menus.


Regards,

 Walter




Curses front end to LyX: was feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:10:48 +0200
Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl wrote:


 Or a curses front-end to LyX. 

Wow. What would *that* look like?

/* Litt can't help getting interested */

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Alex Vergara Gil


- Original Message - 
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org

To: lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: feature request: ribbon menus




Well, this is an open source project. So if there are no license issues,
everybody who is motivated enough to implement and maintain such an UI is 
of

course allowed to go ahead and propose a patch.

This was my initial intention, but I was exploring in this list to see if 
there are some users who actually want this. Not the case, so the intention 
seems to have wrong fundations. My bad :(



At the moment, nobody seems to be really enthusiastic, so one consequence
could be that you do it yourself (this is actually exactly how I came into 
LyX

development).

Jürgen

I am learning Qt right now but I have some experience developing, especially 
with UI. My concept of a text editor software always include ribbon menus 
and thats why I shout this proposition, but without community acceptance any 
purpose is a nonsense! So next time will be.


Alex



LyX is really slow over ssh -X

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all,

I had to use a GUI ssh connection to edit my LyX document. It was slow.
Like 300 baud modem slow. I type about 45 wpm and I was typing 4
characters for every one it echoed on the screen. It was soo 1982.

By the way, this was on 802.11n fed by gigabit Ethernet, so it wasn't a
slow connection.


We all know that everything is slow over ssh, especially GUI stuff. But
to me, this seems a lot slower than usual. Is there some algorithmic
reason why LyX slows down unusually over ssh -X?

Thanks,

SteveT


Re: Index question

2013-04-05 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Donnerstag, 4. April 2013, 17:36:05 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

I have experimented a bit in the meantime.

1- If I take out the lyx_tmpdir.T15697/lyx_tmpbuf3$
from  /tmp/
LyX refuses to run my file.

2- If I export my file as plain latex and run

latex myfile
three times and afterward 
bibtex myfile
and 
dvips

the dvi file does not show the 
two index files

although the log file ilg tells me:

This is makeindex, version 2.15 [TeX Live 2012] (kpathsea + Thai support).
Scanning style file /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist...
** Input style error (file = /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist, line = 70):
   -- Unknown specifier lethead_prefix.
** Input style error (file = /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist, line = 71):
   -- Unknown specifier lethead_suffix.
** Input style error (file = /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist, line = 72):
   -- Unknown specifier lethead_flag.
...done (10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).
Scanning input file Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.nlodone (2 entries 
accepted, 0 rejected).
Sorting entriesdone (2 comparisons).
Generating output file Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.nlsdone (10 lines 
written, 0 warnings).
Output written in Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.nls.
Transcript written in Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.ilg.

I am ratlos (confused)

Wolfgang

 Could somebody tell me whether I can delete the
 /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.T15697/lyx_tmpbuf3$
 (Debian; Lyx 2.0.5.1)
 
 This is my problem:
 I have created a keyword index and a names index.
 The names index gives me an error:
 ] [122] [123
]) (./Blumenuhr-neu20130314BX.20-nem.ind [124
]
! Extra }, or forgotten \endgroup.
l.3 ...lash {}textit\{Leptinotarsa decemlineata\}}
 No error, if I take the names index box at the end of my book
 (komascript) out.
 
 I tried to localize the error by taking almost all of the text away
 (except title author address and two lines with text)
 
 I still get an error:
  \renewcommand\nomname
   {GLOSSARY ABBREVIATIONS}
 Try typing  return  to proceed.
 If that doesn't work, type  X return  to quit.
 
 since this command is not in the shortened document, and since it
 appears also, if I rename the document and run it again,
 
 I suspect that some files in the
 /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.T15697/lyx_tmpbuf3$
 are the reason, such as the
 .idx .ilg or .ind
 
 I would very much appreciate the help of somebody who knows whats going
 on.
 
 Wolfgang


Re: Index question

2013-04-05 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Freitag, 5. April 2013, 10:17:59 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:
 Am Donnerstag, 4. April 2013, 17:36:05 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

sorry, I checked again the dvi file and it shows both index entries. 
However, lyx does not. It chokes with

]
! Extra }, or forgotten \endgroup.
l.3 ...lash {}textit\{Leptinotarsa decemlineata\}}

which is from an index entrance in a Namensverzeichnis (index of names):

Leptinotarsa decemlineata@\textit{Leptinotarsa decemlineata}
an alternative for \textit would have been \textemph
both should produce slanted names. 

###But I did here probably something wrong###

I read again 6.6.5 of the user guide of LyX helps:

In general, we encourage you to not format page numbers directly as shown 
above. Instead, you should define a macro in the preamble and use that. 
Maybe you want all page references italic that refer to a definition of the 
indexed term, so that users can easily find definitions. If so, put the 
following in the preamble

\newcommand{\IndexDef}[1]{\textit{#1}}

and write

my entry|IndexDef

in the index entry.
The advantage is that, if you change your mind later or if your publisher 
insists that definitions must not be italic but bold, you just need to 
change the macro in the preamble, not every single index entry.

###I will try this and ask again if I do not succed###

Thanks for your patience,

Wolfgang


Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread John Kane





 From: stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com
To: Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu 
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org lyx-users@lists.lyx.org 
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:04:41 AM
Subject: Re: feature request: ribbon menus
 



On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu wrote:

If ribbon menus is what Windows has in their menus, that is only the first
few items are shown and then you have to click an arrow to make other
menu items visible, 


That used to be what ribbon menus were all about, hence the name.

They no longer have the ribbon-like functionality now, but the name has 
apparently stuck. No wonder you are confused, so is everyone else not working 
on Windows. Here is a link to a Microsoft Word screen shot showing the ribbon:

http://techhelpvideos.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/word-2007_2003-menus.jpg


Ah, I remember them. I had to use Word a few months ago and those ribbons make 
a 10 minute job 30 minutes of hell.  



You'll find a gazillion more on Google Images

In my experience, most people not working on Microsoft Office on a daily basis 
(Mac versions have ribbons too) find them confusing.  I would certainly not 
impose them on Linux/non-Office users.


Cheers,

S.


-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic Studies            Ph:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University                          Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org 

Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Alex Vergara Gil


- Original Message - 
From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: feature request: ribbon menus



On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:31:07 +0200 (CEST)
Csikos Bela bcsikos...@freemail.hu wrote:


Alex Vergara Gil a...@cphr.edu.cu írta:

Hello developers!

I have a feature request if this is not already 
requested to you: Ribbon Menus.

I don't know what ribbon menus is, and I may not be the only one.
You should have explained it, attached an image, or given a link
where it is explained.


The way I see it, if LyX developers were to have enough time to put in
this UI eye candy, that time would be much better spent, for instance,
finishing the job of making LyX a full outliner that can add, delete,
change and move nodes. Or something else necessary or highly desirable
for someone who actually uses it to create large volumes of content.

Next thing you know, somebody will ask for an io/s looking interface to
match his iPhone.

SteveT


Changes in UI like this one takes to anyone just 1 day, it is just a matter 
of decide to make it or not, however the changes you mentioned take a lot of 
coding and a lot of man-hour work, so the time scale is not comparable.


On the other hand ribbon menus once you get use to them you find your 
productivity increasing, actually LyX has something that is like this: The 
math toolbar, which groups several common operators in just one menu and 
have several menus grouped by functionality. If the ribbon appearance is 
problematic then you can create something like the math toolbar for every 
toolbar and put them in just one toolbar. I see people here who argue with 
this because they would not have everything in front of their eyes, really!! 
then why don´t you complain of not having every single option visible in 
toolbars? What I beg is an UI organization grouping icons by functionality, 
so the resulting toolbar (or ribbon menu) should be smaller and highly 
configurable. Come on people, not only M$ do this, even Apple and there are 
some linux programs that are using a similar approach right now. Static 
toolbars are obsolete in terms of modern GUIs. This request is not for 
beautyness but for increasing productivity.


As I said this is my personal opinion so I migth be wrong, but I haven´t 
received any useful opinion (besides M$ patent) of why not doing such a 
thing just a few user complaining they will affect some how what they feel 
is comfortable. Regarding the patent believe me that if they patent 0s and 
1s then we are definitively lost.:)


Alex






Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Walter van Holst

On 2013-04-05 16:49, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:


As I said this is my personal opinion so I migth be wrong, but I
haven´t received any useful opinion (besides M$ patent) of why not
doing such a thing just a few user complaining they will affect some
how what they feel is comfortable. Regarding the patent believe me
that if they patent 0s and 1s then we are definitively lost.:)


Several people have responded that ribbon  menus have limited use to 
them, to say the least. I don't think that is a useless opinion.


As someone who spends most of his working hours in Microsoft's ribbon 
menus, allow me to add to the chorus that ribbon menus tend to be 
spiteful and useless. And no, they don't really grow on you. I have no 
idea what flavour of LSD Microsoft's usability experts have been 
consuming, but I hope it is widely available so that if I ever contract 
a terminal disease I'd like to spend my final hours tripping on that 
stuff.


I'd much rather have people spend time on a concurrent user web 
front-end. Or a curses front-end to LyX. Either of these two are more 
likely to serve users well than the bloody ribbon menus.


Regards,

 Walter




Curses front end to LyX: was feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:10:48 +0200
Walter van Holst walter.van.ho...@xs4all.nl wrote:


 Or a curses front-end to LyX. 

Wow. What would *that* look like?

/* Litt can't help getting interested */

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Alex Vergara Gil


- Original Message - 
From: Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org

To: lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: feature request: ribbon menus




Well, this is an open source project. So if there are no license issues,
everybody who is motivated enough to implement and maintain such an UI is 
of

course allowed to go ahead and propose a patch.

This was my initial intention, but I was exploring in this list to see if 
there are some users who actually want this. Not the case, so the intention 
seems to have wrong fundations. My bad :(



At the moment, nobody seems to be really enthusiastic, so one consequence
could be that you do it yourself (this is actually exactly how I came into 
LyX

development).

Jürgen

I am learning Qt right now but I have some experience developing, especially 
with UI. My concept of a text editor software always include ribbon menus 
and thats why I shout this proposition, but without community acceptance any 
purpose is a nonsense! So next time will be.


Alex



LyX is really slow over ssh -X

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all,

I had to use a GUI ssh connection to edit my LyX document. It was slow.
Like 300 baud modem slow. I type about 45 wpm and I was typing 4
characters for every one it echoed on the screen. It was soo 1982.

By the way, this was on 802.11n fed by gigabit Ethernet, so it wasn't a
slow connection.


We all know that everything is slow over ssh, especially GUI stuff. But
to me, this seems a lot slower than usual. Is there some algorithmic
reason why LyX slows down unusually over ssh -X?

Thanks,

SteveT


Re: Index question

2013-04-05 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Donnerstag, 4. April 2013, 17:36:05 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

I have experimented a bit in the meantime.

1- If I take out the lyx_tmpdir.T15697/lyx_tmpbuf3$
from  /tmp/
LyX refuses to run my file.

2- If I export my file as plain latex and run

latex myfile
three times and afterward 
bibtex myfile
and 
dvips

the dvi file does not show the 
two index files

although the log file ilg tells me:

This is makeindex, version 2.15 [TeX Live 2012] (kpathsea + Thai support).
Scanning style file /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist...
** Input style error (file = /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist, line = 70):
   -- Unknown specifier lethead_prefix.
** Input style error (file = /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist, line = 71):
   -- Unknown specifier lethead_suffix.
** Input style error (file = /mnt/sda/home/wolfgang/texlive/2012/texmf-
dist/makeindex/nomencl/nomencl.ist, line = 72):
   -- Unknown specifier lethead_flag.
...done (10 attributes redefined, 3 ignored).
Scanning input file Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.nlodone (2 entries 
accepted, 0 rejected).
Sorting entriesdone (2 comparisons).
Generating output file Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.nlsdone (10 lines 
written, 0 warnings).
Output written in Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.nls.
Transcript written in Blumenuhr-neu20130314D.20.ilg.

I am "ratlos" (confused)

Wolfgang

> Could somebody tell me whether I can delete the
> /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.T15697/lyx_tmpbuf3$
> (Debian; Lyx 2.0.5.1)
> 
> This is my problem:
> I have created a keyword index and a names index.
> The names index gives me an error:
> ] [122] [123
>]) (./Blumenuhr-neu20130314BX.20-nem.ind [124
>]
>! Extra }, or forgotten \endgroup.
>l.3 ...lash {}textit\{Leptinotarsa decemlineata\}}
> No error, if I take the names index box at the end of my book
> (komascript) out.
> 
> I tried to localize the error by taking almost all of the text away
> (except title author address and two lines with text)
> 
> I still get an error:
>  \renewcommand\nomname
>   {GLOSSARY ABBREVIATIONS}
> Try typingto proceed.
> If that doesn't work, type  X   to quit.
> 
> since this command is not in the shortened document, and since it
> appears also, if I rename the document and run it again,
> 
> I suspect that some files in the
> /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.T15697/lyx_tmpbuf3$
> are the reason, such as the
> .idx .ilg or .ind
> 
> I would very much appreciate the help of somebody who knows whats going
> on.
> 
> Wolfgang


Re: Index question

2013-04-05 Thread Wolfgang Engelmann
Am Freitag, 5. April 2013, 10:17:59 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:
> Am Donnerstag, 4. April 2013, 17:36:05 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:

sorry, I checked again the dvi file and it shows both index entries. 
However, lyx does not. It chokes with

]
! Extra }, or forgotten \endgroup.
l.3 ...lash {}textit\{Leptinotarsa decemlineata\}}

which is from an index entrance in a "Namensverzeichnis" (index of names):

Leptinotarsa decemlineata@\textit{Leptinotarsa decemlineata}
an alternative for \textit would have been \textemph
both should produce slanted names. 

###But I did here probably something wrong###

I read again 6.6.5 of the user guide of LyX helps:

In general, we encourage you to not format page numbers directly as shown 
above. Instead, you should define a macro in the preamble and use that. 
Maybe you want all page references italic that refer to a definition of the 
indexed term, so that users can easily find definitions. If so, put the 
following in the preamble

\newcommand{\IndexDef}[1]{\textit{#1}}

and write

my entry|IndexDef

in the index entry.
The advantage is that, if you change your mind later or if your publisher 
insists that definitions must not be italic but bold, you just need to 
change the macro in the preamble, not every single index entry.

###I will try this and ask again if I do not succed###

Thanks for your patience,

Wolfgang


Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread John Kane





 From: stefano franchi 
To: Csikos Bela  
Cc: "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org"  
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:04:41 AM
Subject: Re: feature request: ribbon menus
 



On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Csikos Bela  wrote:

If ribbon menus is what Windows has in their menus, that is only the first
>few items are shown and then you have to click an arrow to make other
>menu items visible, 
>

That used to be what ribbon menus were all about, hence the name.

They no longer have the "ribbon-like" functionality now, but the name has 
apparently stuck. No wonder you are confused, so is everyone else not working 
on Windows. Here is a link to a Microsoft Word screen shot showing the ribbon:

http://techhelpvideos.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/word-2007_2003-menus.jpg


Ah, I remember them. I had to use Word a few months ago and those ribbons make 
a 10 minute job 30 minutes of hell.  



You'll find a gazillion more on Google Images

In my experience, most people not working on Microsoft Office on a daily basis 
(Mac versions have ribbons too) find them confusing.  I would certainly not 
impose them on Linux/non-Office users.


Cheers,

S.


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Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Alex Vergara Gil


- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Litt" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: feature request: ribbon menus



On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:31:07 +0200 (CEST)
Csikos Bela  wrote:


Alex Vergara Gil  írta:

>Hello developers!
>
>I have a feature request if this is not already >
>requested to you: Ribbon Menus.>

I don't know what ribbon menus is, and I may not be the only one.
You should have explained it, attached an image, or given a link
where it is explained.


The way I see it, if LyX developers were to have enough time to put in
this UI eye candy, that time would be much better spent, for instance,
finishing the job of making LyX a full outliner that can add, delete,
change and move nodes. Or something else necessary or highly desirable
for someone who actually uses it to create large volumes of content.

Next thing you know, somebody will ask for an io/s looking interface to
match his iPhone.

SteveT


Changes in UI like this one takes to anyone just 1 day, it is just a matter 
of decide to make it or not, however the changes you mentioned take a lot of 
coding and a lot of man-hour work, so the time scale is not comparable.


On the other hand ribbon menus once you get use to them you find your 
productivity increasing, actually LyX has something that is like this: "The 
math toolbar", which groups several common operators in just one menu and 
have several menus grouped by functionality. If the ribbon appearance is 
problematic then you can create something like the math toolbar for every 
toolbar and put them in just one toolbar. I see people here who argue with 
this because they would not have everything in front of their eyes, really!! 
then why don´t you complain of not having every single option visible in 
toolbars? What I beg is an UI organization grouping icons by functionality, 
so the resulting toolbar (or ribbon menu) should be smaller and highly 
configurable. Come on people, not only M$ do this, even Apple and there are 
some linux programs that are using a similar approach right now. Static 
toolbars are obsolete in terms of modern GUIs. This request is not for 
beautyness but for increasing productivity.


As I said this is my personal opinion so I migth be wrong, but I haven´t 
received any useful opinion (besides M$ patent) of why not doing such a 
thing just a few user complaining they will affect some how what they feel 
is comfortable. Regarding the patent believe me that if they patent 0s and 
1s then we are definitively lost.:)


Alex






Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Walter van Holst

On 2013-04-05 16:49, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:


As I said this is my personal opinion so I migth be wrong, but I
haven´t received any useful opinion (besides M$ patent) of why not
doing such a thing just a few user complaining they will affect some
how what they feel is comfortable. Regarding the patent believe me
that if they patent 0s and 1s then we are definitively lost.:)


Several people have responded that ribbon  menus have limited use to 
them, to say the least. I don't think that is a useless opinion.


As someone who spends most of his working hours in Microsoft's ribbon 
menus, allow me to add to the chorus that ribbon menus tend to be 
spiteful and useless. And no, they don't really grow on you. I have no 
idea what flavour of LSD Microsoft's usability experts have been 
consuming, but I hope it is widely available so that if I ever contract 
a terminal disease I'd like to spend my final hours tripping on that 
stuff.


I'd much rather have people spend time on a concurrent user web 
front-end. Or a curses front-end to LyX. Either of these two are more 
likely to serve users well than the bloody ribbon menus.


Regards,

 Walter




Curses front end to LyX: was feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:10:48 +0200
Walter van Holst  wrote:


> Or a curses front-end to LyX. 

Wow. What would *that* look like?

/* Litt can't help getting interested */

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


Re: feature request: ribbon menus

2013-04-05 Thread Alex Vergara Gil


- Original Message - 
From: "Jürgen Spitzmüller" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: feature request: ribbon menus




Well, this is an open source project. So if there are no license issues,
everybody who is motivated enough to implement and maintain such an UI is 
of

course allowed to go ahead and propose a patch.

This was my initial intention, but I was exploring in this list to see if 
there are some users who actually want this. Not the case, so the intention 
seems to have wrong fundations. My bad :(



At the moment, nobody seems to be really enthusiastic, so one consequence
could be that you do it yourself (this is actually exactly how I came into 
LyX

development).

Jürgen

I am learning Qt right now but I have some experience developing, especially 
with UI. My concept of a text editor software always include ribbon menus 
and thats why I shout this proposition, but without community acceptance any 
purpose is a nonsense! So next time will be.


Alex



LyX is really slow over ssh -X

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all,

I had to use a GUI ssh connection to edit my LyX document. It was slow.
Like 300 baud modem slow. I type about 45 wpm and I was typing 4
characters for every one it echoed on the screen. It was soo 1982.

By the way, this was on 802.11n fed by gigabit Ethernet, so it wasn't a
slow connection.


We all know that everything is slow over ssh, especially GUI stuff. But
to me, this seems a lot slower than usual. Is there some algorithmic
reason why LyX slows down unusually over ssh -X?

Thanks,

SteveT