Re: Get Footnotes to appear on the same page when exporting to HTML?

[Yaron Y. Goland]

(Sorry for the delay in responding my e-mail routing rules didn't work 
right for the mail you sent, not sure why)


I'm using LyX Version 1.6.5 (Saturday, 5 December 2009) on OS X 10.6.2 
using MacTex-2009 11/07/2009 distribution. I use File-Export-HTML from 
inside of LyX to do the conversion.


Thanks,

Yaron


rgheck wrote:

On 12/26/2009 05:32 PM, Yaron Y. Goland wrote:
The articles I create with LyX are destined for my blog and form a 
single piece of HTML. But when I export to HTML any footnotes I have 
get generated on a separate HTML page. Is there anyway to configure 
the HTML exporter so that it will generate the footnotes at the end of 
the main HTML page and then use anchors to navigate to them?



What HTML converter are you using? and on what platform, etc?

rh

Re: Get Footnotes to appear on the same page when exporting to HTML?

[Yaron Y. Goland]

(Sorry for the delay in responding my e-mail routing rules didn't work 
right for the mail you sent, not sure why)


I'm using LyX Version 1.6.5 (Saturday, 5 December 2009) on OS X 10.6.2 
using MacTex-2009 11/07/2009 distribution. I use File-Export-HTML from 
inside of LyX to do the conversion.


Thanks,

Yaron


rgheck wrote:

On 12/26/2009 05:32 PM, Yaron Y. Goland wrote:
The articles I create with LyX are destined for my blog and form a 
single piece of HTML. But when I export to HTML any footnotes I have 
get generated on a separate HTML page. Is there anyway to configure 
the HTML exporter so that it will generate the footnotes at the end of 
the main HTML page and then use anchors to navigate to them?



What HTML converter are you using? and on what platform, etc?

rh

Re: Get Footnotes to appear on the same page when exporting to HTML?

[Yaron Y. Goland]

(Sorry for the delay in responding my e-mail routing rules didn't work 
right for the mail you sent, not sure why)


I'm using LyX Version 1.6.5 (Saturday, 5 December 2009) on OS X 10.6.2 
using MacTex-2009 11/07/2009 distribution. I use File->Export->HTML from 
inside of LyX to do the conversion.


Thanks,

Yaron


rgheck wrote:

On 12/26/2009 05:32 PM, Yaron Y. Goland wrote:
The articles I create with LyX are destined for my blog and form a 
single piece of HTML. But when I export to HTML any footnotes I have 
get generated on a separate HTML page. Is there anyway to configure 
the HTML exporter so that it will generate the footnotes at the end of 
the main HTML page and then use anchors to navigate to them?



What HTML converter are you using? and on what platform, etc?

rh

Get Footnotes to appear on the same page when exporting to HTML?

[Yaron Y. Goland]

The articles I create with LyX are destined for my blog and form a 
single piece of HTML. But when I export to HTML any footnotes I have get 
generated on a separate HTML page. Is there anyway to configure the HTML 
exporter so that it will generate the footnotes at the end of the main 
HTML page and then use anchors to navigate to them?

Thanks,
Yaron

Get Footnotes to appear on the same page when exporting to HTML?

[Yaron Y. Goland]

The articles I create with LyX are destined for my blog and form a 
single piece of HTML. But when I export to HTML any footnotes I have get 
generated on a separate HTML page. Is there anyway to configure the HTML 
exporter so that it will generate the footnotes at the end of the main 
HTML page and then use anchors to navigate to them?

Thanks,
Yaron

Get Footnotes to appear on the same page when exporting to HTML?

[Yaron Y. Goland]

The articles I create with LyX are destined for my blog and form a 
single piece of HTML. But when I export to HTML any footnotes I have get 
generated on a separate HTML page. Is there anyway to configure the HTML 
exporter so that it will generate the footnotes at the end of the main 
HTML page and then use anchors to navigate to them?

Thanks,
Yaron

Re: HTML and URLs in LYX

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I just rewrote the review on my website about LyX to reflect LyX's much 
better behavior and to thank you for fixing the bug - 
http://www.goland.org/lyx.


It's amazing how much better LyX has gotten in the year since I 
originally wrote that review. It all kind of sneaked up on me so it was 
great to re-write the review and delete a bunch of sections that weren't 
necessary anymore because LyX's default behavior is so much better.


I also wanted to say THANK YOU for getting labels to work. When I 
first tried LyX labels I could only get them to output page numbers 
which produced garbage in HTML. Now that they can do section numbers 
they actually work in HTML.


Is there any thought around getting references to be able to include 
both the section number and the text of the section's title instead of 
just the section number? The section number by itself tends to disappear 
in HTML. Also, any hope of getting a reference to jump to the exact 
location of the label ala the behavior you get with \hypertarget and 
\hyperlink instead of to the start of the section?



Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. Does anyone know a decent margin setting for letter size paper so 
when I produce a PDF my article doesn't have insanely large margins?


Richard Heck wrote:

Yaron Y. Goland wrote:
First, to whomever made export to HTML work with bibliographies from 
inside of LYX in 1.5.x - THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU Until now 
I have had to follow http://www.goland.org/lyx/#x1-90008 every time I 
wanted to generate HTML output and it was awful. Now the process is 
painless! You have made using LyX much easier.

You're welcome.


So if I may push my luck, is there any hope of getting LyX to natively 
support the href macro?

There's a bug report about this already. I'm hoping to get this sorted out.

Richard

Re: HTML and URLs in LYX

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I just rewrote the review on my website about LyX to reflect LyX's much 
better behavior and to thank you for fixing the bug - 
http://www.goland.org/lyx.


It's amazing how much better LyX has gotten in the year since I 
originally wrote that review. It all kind of sneaked up on me so it was 
great to re-write the review and delete a bunch of sections that weren't 
necessary anymore because LyX's default behavior is so much better.


I also wanted to say THANK YOU for getting labels to work. When I 
first tried LyX labels I could only get them to output page numbers 
which produced garbage in HTML. Now that they can do section numbers 
they actually work in HTML.


Is there any thought around getting references to be able to include 
both the section number and the text of the section's title instead of 
just the section number? The section number by itself tends to disappear 
in HTML. Also, any hope of getting a reference to jump to the exact 
location of the label ala the behavior you get with \hypertarget and 
\hyperlink instead of to the start of the section?



Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. Does anyone know a decent margin setting for letter size paper so 
when I produce a PDF my article doesn't have insanely large margins?


Richard Heck wrote:

Yaron Y. Goland wrote:
First, to whomever made export to HTML work with bibliographies from 
inside of LYX in 1.5.x - THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU Until now 
I have had to follow http://www.goland.org/lyx/#x1-90008 every time I 
wanted to generate HTML output and it was awful. Now the process is 
painless! You have made using LyX much easier.

You're welcome.


So if I may push my luck, is there any hope of getting LyX to natively 
support the href macro?

There's a bug report about this already. I'm hoping to get this sorted out.

Richard

Re: HTML and URLs in LYX

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I just rewrote the review on my website about LyX to reflect LyX's much 
better behavior and to thank you for fixing the bug - 
http://www.goland.org/lyx.


It's amazing how much better LyX has gotten in the year since I 
originally wrote that review. It all kind of sneaked up on me so it was 
great to re-write the review and delete a bunch of sections that weren't 
necessary anymore because LyX's default behavior is so much better.


I also wanted to say THANK YOU for getting labels to work. When I 
first tried LyX labels I could only get them to output page numbers 
which produced garbage in HTML. Now that they can do section numbers 
they actually work in HTML.


Is there any thought around getting references to be able to include 
both the section number and the text of the section's title instead of 
just the section number? The section number by itself tends to disappear 
in HTML. Also, any hope of getting a reference to jump to the exact 
location of the label ala the behavior you get with \hypertarget and 
\hyperlink instead of to the start of the section?



Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. Does anyone know a decent margin setting for letter size paper so 
when I produce a PDF my article doesn't have insanely large margins?


Richard Heck wrote:

Yaron Y. Goland wrote:
First, to whomever made export to HTML work with bibliographies from 
inside of LYX in 1.5.x - THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU Until now 
I have had to follow http://www.goland.org/lyx/#x1-90008 every time I 
wanted to generate HTML output and it was awful. Now the process is 
painless! You have made using LyX much easier.

You're welcome.


So if I may push my luck, is there any hope of getting LyX to natively 
support the href macro?

There's a bug report about this already. I'm hoping to get this sorted out.

Richard

Re: External Paste on 1.5.0rc1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I just tried normal copy/paste using external data and it worked just 
fine. I swear I tried that yesterday and it didn't work.


I sincerely apologize for wasting the mailing list's time. I can only 
claim temporary (I hope) insanity.


Thanks for taking the time to respond to my mail.

Yaron

Anders Ekberg wrote:

Yaron Y. Goland
Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:01:01 -0700

Once upon a time external paste would work via a special external 
paste option. I read the docs for 1.5.0rc1 and saw that now the middle 
button is to be used for pasting. Of course by default there is no 
middle buttons in OS X land but I have a multi button mouse and I used 
USB Overdrive to configure how it works. I took one of my extra 
buttons and configured it to be the middle mouse button, the fourth 
mouse button and the fifth mouse button (as defined by USB overdrive) 
without much joy. Setting the extra button to be the 'middle mouse 
button' did cause LYX to paste but it pasted from its internal buffer 
rather than from the external one.


Is there a keyboard shortcut for external paste? Is there a known 
setting to get external paste working on OS X using USB Overdrive?

Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. I did try to internet search for a solution and I checked the 
mail archives but I couldn't find anything. I also checked the bug 
list for 1.5. I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but 
I tried my best to find that answer and failed.


Command V should pastes the most recent copied selection regardless of 
whether it is external or internal. In addition you have the Paste 
Recent menu to paste recent internally copied selections.


If that doesn't work for you, could you could you please give details on 
your configuration (language, etc). I have tried with Latin and Cyrillic 
characters and both work fine for me.


Anders

Re: External Paste on 1.5.0rc1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I just tried normal copy/paste using external data and it worked just 
fine. I swear I tried that yesterday and it didn't work.


I sincerely apologize for wasting the mailing list's time. I can only 
claim temporary (I hope) insanity.


Thanks for taking the time to respond to my mail.

Yaron

Anders Ekberg wrote:

Yaron Y. Goland
Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:01:01 -0700

Once upon a time external paste would work via a special external 
paste option. I read the docs for 1.5.0rc1 and saw that now the middle 
button is to be used for pasting. Of course by default there is no 
middle buttons in OS X land but I have a multi button mouse and I used 
USB Overdrive to configure how it works. I took one of my extra 
buttons and configured it to be the middle mouse button, the fourth 
mouse button and the fifth mouse button (as defined by USB overdrive) 
without much joy. Setting the extra button to be the 'middle mouse 
button' did cause LYX to paste but it pasted from its internal buffer 
rather than from the external one.


Is there a keyboard shortcut for external paste? Is there a known 
setting to get external paste working on OS X using USB Overdrive?

Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. I did try to internet search for a solution and I checked the 
mail archives but I couldn't find anything. I also checked the bug 
list for 1.5. I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but 
I tried my best to find that answer and failed.


Command V should pastes the most recent copied selection regardless of 
whether it is external or internal. In addition you have the Paste 
Recent menu to paste recent internally copied selections.


If that doesn't work for you, could you could you please give details on 
your configuration (language, etc). I have tried with Latin and Cyrillic 
characters and both work fine for me.


Anders

Re: External Paste on 1.5.0rc1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I just tried normal copy/paste using external data and it worked just 
fine. I swear I tried that yesterday and it didn't work.


I sincerely apologize for wasting the mailing list's time. I can only 
claim temporary (I hope) insanity.


Thanks for taking the time to respond to my mail.

Yaron

Anders Ekberg wrote:

Yaron Y. Goland
Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:01:01 -0700

Once upon a time external paste would work via a special external 
paste option. I read the docs for 1.5.0rc1 and saw that now the middle 
button is to be used for pasting. Of course by default there is no 
middle buttons in OS X land but I have a multi button mouse and I used 
USB Overdrive to configure how it works. I took one of my extra 
buttons and configured it to be the middle mouse button, the fourth 
mouse button and the fifth mouse button (as defined by USB overdrive) 
without much joy. Setting the extra button to be the 'middle mouse 
button' did cause LYX to paste but it pasted from its internal buffer 
rather than from the external one.


Is there a keyboard shortcut for external paste? Is there a known 
setting to get external paste working on OS X using USB Overdrive?

Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. I did try to internet search for a solution and I checked the 
mail archives but I couldn't find anything. I also checked the bug 
list for 1.5. I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but 
I tried my best to find that answer and failed.


Command V should pastes the most recent copied selection regardless of 
whether it is external or internal. In addition you have the Paste 
Recent menu to paste recent internally copied selections.


If that doesn't work for you, could you could you please give details on 
your configuration (language, etc). I have tried with Latin and Cyrillic 
characters and both work fine for me.


Anders

External Paste on 1.5.0rc1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Once upon a time external paste would work via a special external paste 
option. I read the docs for 1.5.0rc1 and saw that now the middle button 
is to be used for pasting. Of course by default there is no middle 
buttons in OS X land but I have a multi button mouse and I used USB 
Overdrive to configure how it works. I took one of my extra buttons and 
configured it to be the middle mouse button, the fourth mouse button and 
the fifth mouse button (as defined by USB overdrive) without much joy. 
Setting the extra button to be the 'middle mouse button' did cause LYX 
to paste but it pasted from its internal buffer rather than from the 
external one.


Is there a keyboard shortcut for external paste? Is there a known 
setting to get external paste working on OS X using USB Overdrive?


Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. I did try to internet search for a solution and I checked the mail 
archives but I couldn't find anything. I also checked the bug list for 
1.5. I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but I tried my 
best to find that answer and failed.

External Paste on 1.5.0rc1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Once upon a time external paste would work via a special external paste 
option. I read the docs for 1.5.0rc1 and saw that now the middle button 
is to be used for pasting. Of course by default there is no middle 
buttons in OS X land but I have a multi button mouse and I used USB 
Overdrive to configure how it works. I took one of my extra buttons and 
configured it to be the middle mouse button, the fourth mouse button and 
the fifth mouse button (as defined by USB overdrive) without much joy. 
Setting the extra button to be the 'middle mouse button' did cause LYX 
to paste but it pasted from its internal buffer rather than from the 
external one.


Is there a keyboard shortcut for external paste? Is there a known 
setting to get external paste working on OS X using USB Overdrive?


Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. I did try to internet search for a solution and I checked the mail 
archives but I couldn't find anything. I also checked the bug list for 
1.5. I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but I tried my 
best to find that answer and failed.

External Paste on 1.5.0rc1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Once upon a time external paste would work via a special external paste 
option. I read the docs for 1.5.0rc1 and saw that now the middle button 
is to be used for pasting. Of course by default there is no middle 
buttons in OS X land but I have a multi button mouse and I used USB 
Overdrive to configure how it works. I took one of my extra buttons and 
configured it to be the middle mouse button, the fourth mouse button and 
the fifth mouse button (as defined by USB overdrive) without much joy. 
Setting the extra button to be the 'middle mouse button' did cause LYX 
to paste but it pasted from its internal buffer rather than from the 
external one.


Is there a keyboard shortcut for external paste? Is there a known 
setting to get external paste working on OS X using USB Overdrive?


Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. I did try to internet search for a solution and I checked the mail 
archives but I couldn't find anything. I also checked the bug list for 
1.5. I'm sorry if this question has already been answered but I tried my 
best to find that answer and failed.

Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Thank you for posting the PPC version.

I am running Mac OS X 10.4.9 on a dual proc 1.8 GHz PPC G5 with 3 Gigs 
of ram and the 1.5.0rc1 universal binary I downloaded from the lyx 
homepage runs like a dog. Typing into a table literally took more than a 
second for each letter to appear. Typing normal text wasn't too 
horrible, sluggish, but not completely unusable.


But I just downloaded the PPC version from the link below and it runs 
like a champ with no perf problems.


Thanks!

Yaron

Gerard Ateshian wrote:
I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS 
X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my 
own version and it runs just fine.  If you want it, you can download it 
from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/


Gerard Ateshian

Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Thank you for posting the PPC version.

I am running Mac OS X 10.4.9 on a dual proc 1.8 GHz PPC G5 with 3 Gigs 
of ram and the 1.5.0rc1 universal binary I downloaded from the lyx 
homepage runs like a dog. Typing into a table literally took more than a 
second for each letter to appear. Typing normal text wasn't too 
horrible, sluggish, but not completely unusable.


But I just downloaded the PPC version from the link below and it runs 
like a champ with no perf problems.


Thanks!

Yaron

Gerard Ateshian wrote:
I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS 
X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my 
own version and it runs just fine.  If you want it, you can download it 
from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/


Gerard Ateshian

Re: 1.5.0rc1 Mac PPC G3 typing lag

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Thank you for posting the PPC version.

I am running Mac OS X 10.4.9 on a dual proc 1.8 GHz PPC G5 with 3 Gigs 
of ram and the 1.5.0rc1 universal binary I downloaded from the lyx 
homepage runs like a dog. Typing into a table literally took more than a 
second for each letter to appear. Typing normal text wasn't too 
horrible, sluggish, but not completely unusable.


But I just downloaded the PPC version from the link below and it runs 
like a champ with no perf problems.


Thanks!

Yaron

Gerard Ateshian wrote:
I also found that the universal binary for 1.5rc1 runs slowly on Mac OS 
X PPC (I have a PowerBook G4, 1.67 GHz, 2 GB memory), so I compiled my 
own version and it runs just fine.  If you want it, you can download it 
from http://bio7.mech.columbia.edu/~gerard/


Gerard Ateshian

Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Sorry for what? That your life interfered with providing a free  
service to the community? Gosh... shame on you! :)


Yaron

On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:45 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Yaron First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x
Yaron provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to  
use

Yaron but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7
Yaron which performs just fine on my mac.

Yaron Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released?

I would be very glad to be able to do it this week or next week. Time
will tell.


Even if LyX-1.4.2 is released earlier, my packaging of LyX/ 
Mac-1.4.2 will have to wait until after July 11, however: I'll be  
pretty much offline from now until then. Sorry.


Bennett

Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Sorry for what? That your life interfered with providing a free  
service to the community? Gosh... shame on you! :)


Yaron

On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:45 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Yaron First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x
Yaron provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to  
use

Yaron but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7
Yaron which performs just fine on my mac.

Yaron Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released?

I would be very glad to be able to do it this week or next week. Time
will tell.


Even if LyX-1.4.2 is released earlier, my packaging of LyX/ 
Mac-1.4.2 will have to wait until after July 11, however: I'll be  
pretty much offline from now until then. Sorry.


Bennett

Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Sorry for what? That your life interfered with providing a free  
service to the community? Gosh... shame on you! :)


Yaron

On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:45 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


"Yaron" == Yaron Y Goland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Yaron> First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x
Yaron> provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to  
use

Yaron> but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7
Yaron> which performs just fine on my mac.

Yaron> Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released?

I would be very glad to be able to do it this week or next week. Time
will tell.


Even if LyX-1.4.2 is released earlier, my packaging of LyX/ 
Mac-1.4.2 will have to wait until after July 11, however: I'll be  
pretty much offline from now until then. Sorry.


Bennett

Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x provided  
into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use but the  
direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 which performs  
just fine on my mac.


Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released?

Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. If I can make a feature request for 1.4.2 what about native  
support for hypertarget and hyperlink? Having to enter and manage  
these manually as ERT is a nightmare!


On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote:


Hi Yaron,

I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made  
LyX support
multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just  
Xforms. See
if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather  
than KDE

bloated stuff like that.


This is not possible on Mac (natively).

1.4.2 -- currently still undergoing testing -- will be much better  
for speed on Mac. (It's acceptable for me on a 466 MHz iBook, which  
was impossible to use with 1.4.1.)


Bennett

Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x provided  
into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use but the  
direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 which performs  
just fine on my mac.


Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released?

Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. If I can make a feature request for 1.4.2 what about native  
support for hypertarget and hyperlink? Having to enter and manage  
these manually as ERT is a nightmare!


On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote:


Hi Yaron,

I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made  
LyX support
multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just  
Xforms. See
if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather  
than KDE

bloated stuff like that.


This is not possible on Mac (natively).

1.4.2 -- currently still undergoing testing -- will be much better  
for speed on Mac. (It's acceptable for me on a 466 MHz iBook, which  
was impossible to use with 1.4.1.)


Bennett

Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x provided  
into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use but the  
direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 which performs  
just fine on my mac.


Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released?

Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. If I can make a feature request for 1.4.2 what about native  
support for hypertarget and hyperlink? Having to enter and manage  
these manually as ERT is a nightmare!


On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Bennett Helm wrote:


On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote:


Hi Yaron,

I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made  
LyX support
multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just  
Xforms. See
if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather  
than KDE

bloated stuff like that.


This is not possible on Mac (natively).

1.4.2 -- currently still undergoing testing -- will be much better  
for speed on Mac. (It's acceptable for me on a 466 MHz iBook, which  
was impossible to use with 1.4.1.)


Bennett

Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious  
performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Ram I  
could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my characters.  
So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on performance I was very  
excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is.  
In fact even on simple documents containing little more than text  
(e.g. http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text  
is so slow that I can easily out type LyX.


Please note that I made sure to delete LyX 1.4.0 and do a new install  
of LyX 1.4.1 and then confirm that my newly installed program is  
indeed LyX 1.4.1


If anyone has any suggestions or ideas I would love to hear them  
because I depend on LyX for a book I'm writing and as things now  
stand I'm in trouble.


Thanks,

Yaron

Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious  
performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Ram I  
could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my characters.  
So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on performance I was very  
excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is.  
In fact even on simple documents containing little more than text  
(e.g. http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text  
is so slow that I can easily out type LyX.


Please note that I made sure to delete LyX 1.4.0 and do a new install  
of LyX 1.4.1 and then confirm that my newly installed program is  
indeed LyX 1.4.1


If anyone has any suggestions or ideas I would love to hear them  
because I depend on LyX for a book I'm writing and as things now  
stand I'm in trouble.


Thanks,

Yaron

Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X

[Yaron Y. Goland]

When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious  
performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Ram I  
could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my characters.  
So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on performance I was very  
excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is.  
In fact even on simple documents containing little more than text  
(e.g. http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text  
is so slow that I can easily out type LyX.


Please note that I made sure to delete LyX 1.4.0 and do a new install  
of LyX 1.4.1 and then confirm that my newly installed program is  
indeed LyX 1.4.1


If anyone has any suggestions or ideas I would love to hear them  
because I depend on LyX for a book I'm writing and as things now  
stand I'm in trouble.


Thanks,

Yaron

Re: LyX Mac 1.4.0 Performance Issue

[Yaron Y. Goland]

This applies to top level text. The key seems to be how big the  
document is. I have an 8 page document with 12 equations and trying  
to type anywhere in that document (even if there are no equations  
visible on the screen) will peg my CPU and move so slowly I can type  
faster than it can handle.




On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:33 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Yaron I run Lyx 1.4 on my G5 dual proc 1.8 Ghz processors w/a gig of
Yaron ram and it's slow as molasses. It's so slow that I literally
Yaron type faster than it can handle, I often have to stop and wait
Yaron for it to catch up. I haven't seen such awful performance since
Yaron I used to run terminal applications over a 1200 baud modem.

Is that when typing on toplevel text or inside insets?

JMarc

Re: LyX Mac 1.4.0 Performance Issue

[Yaron Y. Goland]

This applies to top level text. The key seems to be how big the  
document is. I have an 8 page document with 12 equations and trying  
to type anywhere in that document (even if there are no equations  
visible on the screen) will peg my CPU and move so slowly I can type  
faster than it can handle.




On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:33 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Yaron I run Lyx 1.4 on my G5 dual proc 1.8 Ghz processors w/a gig of
Yaron ram and it's slow as molasses. It's so slow that I literally
Yaron type faster than it can handle, I often have to stop and wait
Yaron for it to catch up. I haven't seen such awful performance since
Yaron I used to run terminal applications over a 1200 baud modem.

Is that when typing on toplevel text or inside insets?

JMarc

Re: LyX Mac 1.4.0 Performance Issue

[Yaron Y. Goland]

This applies to top level text. The key seems to be how big the  
document is. I have an 8 page document with 12 equations and trying  
to type anywhere in that document (even if there are no equations  
visible on the screen) will peg my CPU and move so slowly I can type  
faster than it can handle.




On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:33 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


"Yaron" == Yaron Y Goland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Yaron> I run Lyx 1.4 on my G5 dual proc 1.8 Ghz processors w/a gig of
Yaron> ram and it's slow as molasses. It's so slow that I literally
Yaron> type faster than it can handle, I often have to stop and wait
Yaron> for it to catch up. I haven't seen such awful performance since
Yaron> I used to run terminal applications over a 1200 baud modem.

Is that when typing on toplevel text or inside insets?

JMarc

Re: LyX Mac 1.4.0 Performance Issue

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I run Lyx 1.4 on my G5 dual proc 1.8 Ghz processors w/a gig of ram  
and it's slow as molasses. It's so slow that I literally type faster  
than it can handle, I often have to stop and wait for it to catch up.  
I haven't seen such awful performance since I used to run terminal  
applications over a 1200 baud modem.


I'm trying my best to still use it but I suspect I would be best  
uninstalling and going back to the previous version. That ran just fine.


Yaron


On Mar 14, 2006, at 5:24 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Martin == Martin A Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Martin hi all i also find lyx 1.4 on linux slow. i have a fairly fast
Martin box, but copy n paste is slow compared to 1.3.6. also
Martin scrolling in a document with lots of graphics seem slow.


We try to work on it.

JMarc

Re: LyX Mac 1.4.0 Performance Issue

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I run Lyx 1.4 on my G5 dual proc 1.8 Ghz processors w/a gig of ram  
and it's slow as molasses. It's so slow that I literally type faster  
than it can handle, I often have to stop and wait for it to catch up.  
I haven't seen such awful performance since I used to run terminal  
applications over a 1200 baud modem.


I'm trying my best to still use it but I suspect I would be best  
uninstalling and going back to the previous version. That ran just fine.


Yaron


On Mar 14, 2006, at 5:24 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Martin == Martin A Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Martin hi all i also find lyx 1.4 on linux slow. i have a fairly fast
Martin box, but copy n paste is slow compared to 1.3.6. also
Martin scrolling in a document with lots of graphics seem slow.


We try to work on it.

JMarc

Re: LyX Mac 1.4.0 Performance Issue

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I run Lyx 1.4 on my G5 dual proc 1.8 Ghz processors w/a gig of ram  
and it's slow as molasses. It's so slow that I literally type faster  
than it can handle, I often have to stop and wait for it to catch up.  
I haven't seen such awful performance since I used to run terminal  
applications over a 1200 baud modem.


I'm trying my best to still use it but I suspect I would be best  
uninstalling and going back to the previous version. That ran just fine.


Yaron


On Mar 14, 2006, at 5:24 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


"Martin" == Martin A Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Martin> hi all i also find lyx 1.4 on linux slow. i have a fairly fast
Martin> box, but copy n paste is slow compared to 1.3.6. also
Martin> scrolling in a document with lots of graphics seem slow.


We try to work on it.

JMarc

Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX (rambling)

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I don't think you were aware, when writing your review, that
the strength of LyX is generating mathematical equations as
LyX is a front-end to (La)TeX.


Actually my example article did use a mathematical equation to  
illustrate the power of LyX, in fact, that was the very first example  
I gave and for the reasons you site, TeX's background. In fact, in my  
article I state TEX, the underlying technology for LyX, was original  
invented in order to produce beautiful mathematical equations. So it  
would appear we are in agreement.



Why compare LyX in the
category of liberal arts html page-makers?
I'm afraid I don't understand your point. As I state in my conclusion  
The only reason I put up with LyX is that it makes handling the  
formulas and bibliography issues with my book on retirement planning  
much easier to deal with. In other words, the reason I used LyX at  
all was because I'm writing a book on retirement planning that I'm  
posting on my website that involves a large number of equations and  
an extensive bibliography, two areas where TeX especially shines.


Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. The article says TEX instead of TeX due to a quirk of the  
HTML generation I forgot to fix.


On Jan 30, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Stephen Harris wrote:



- Original Message - From: Yaron Y. Goland  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX


Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font  
other  than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my  
part. When I  generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't  
have the ligature  issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex  
(e.g. TeX4ht) directly.  But I have to use htlatex because LyX  
doesn't have BibTeX support for  HTML. If I could just find the  
right argument for htlatex I'm  guessing this problem would go away.

Yaron


As you may know, LyX was designed for Linux and later ported
to Windows. During the installation LyX checks for Latex2html
and hevea and one other I forget. These choices are not very
easy to configure for Windows; but htlatex certainly is. So I
think exporting to Latex and then running htlatex is the way to go,  
which is a minor inconvenience=WinLyx imperfection.


I don't think you were aware, when writing your review, that
the strength of LyX is generating mathematical equations as
LyX is a front-end to (La)TeX. Until about FrameMaker 5.5
for Windows appeared which is good, the only excellent equation  
generator was Tex which ran on *nix platforms

until it was ported; from a technical writer pov, for docs
over 200 pages. Word had the very worst evaluation.

You are smart intelligent writer. But I think your review
should have used a math equation or diagram example file
for html conversion and it didn't because you didn't know
that was the strenght of LyX. Why compare LyX in the
category of liberal arts html page-makers? It isn't special
in that category and makes no claim to be special. So
your article should have at most given a one/two-line
dismissal to LyX as a textual html generating tool, and
instead informed the reader about how great LyX was
in generating a technically oriented document. Your
article isn't written correctly as a sample of your tech
writing expertise (in which I believe you want to excel).
I think you should have said what LyX is really good at.

The file below (xypic.tex) is a good example of a more
technical example of writing that demonstrates LyX.

http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~gumm/LyX/xypic/

The file does use the ae fontscheme. The high quality conversion
took seconds, while the ($450) Acrobat conversion was a flop.
I was certainly wrong about that. The conversion had a problem
with one png file that came with the document.

So to make it perfect I had to edit the source .htm file after
htlatex produced it. You can see the source htm code under
View/Source on Internet Explorer. That file needed to be edited
with a text editor. I replaced the bad htlatex generated code
Original bad code: src=xypic0x.png alt=PIC class=graphics
!--tex4ht:graphics  name=xypic0x.png src=xyfigure.PNG

with
constructed, displayed and interactively edited inside LY X. !--l.  
74--

P class=indentIMG class=graphics alt=PIC
src=Using_XYpic_in_LyX_files/xyfigure.png!--tex4ht:graphics
name=xyfigure.png src=xyfigure.png

and it took about 15 minutes to proofread it and fix hypen errors.
I think a good article should contain a produced example, maybe not  
in a blog though. My impression was that both you and Rich

produce very few equations so don't fathom a critical field area.
The LyX learning curve is less steep than (X)Emacs which is good
because complex Latex can make early inroads on LyX competence.
Just so you don't think I'm being too critical, I think you are bright
and a very good writer with a flair for computer literacy

Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX (rambling)

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I don't think you were aware, when writing your review, that
the strength of LyX is generating mathematical equations as
LyX is a front-end to (La)TeX.


Actually my example article did use a mathematical equation to  
illustrate the power of LyX, in fact, that was the very first example  
I gave and for the reasons you site, TeX's background. In fact, in my  
article I state TEX, the underlying technology for LyX, was original  
invented in order to produce beautiful mathematical equations. So it  
would appear we are in agreement.



Why compare LyX in the
category of liberal arts html page-makers?
I'm afraid I don't understand your point. As I state in my conclusion  
The only reason I put up with LyX is that it makes handling the  
formulas and bibliography issues with my book on retirement planning  
much easier to deal with. In other words, the reason I used LyX at  
all was because I'm writing a book on retirement planning that I'm  
posting on my website that involves a large number of equations and  
an extensive bibliography, two areas where TeX especially shines.


Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. The article says TEX instead of TeX due to a quirk of the  
HTML generation I forgot to fix.


On Jan 30, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Stephen Harris wrote:



- Original Message - From: Yaron Y. Goland  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX


Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font  
other  than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my  
part. When I  generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't  
have the ligature  issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex  
(e.g. TeX4ht) directly.  But I have to use htlatex because LyX  
doesn't have BibTeX support for  HTML. If I could just find the  
right argument for htlatex I'm  guessing this problem would go away.

Yaron


As you may know, LyX was designed for Linux and later ported
to Windows. During the installation LyX checks for Latex2html
and hevea and one other I forget. These choices are not very
easy to configure for Windows; but htlatex certainly is. So I
think exporting to Latex and then running htlatex is the way to go,  
which is a minor inconvenience=WinLyx imperfection.


I don't think you were aware, when writing your review, that
the strength of LyX is generating mathematical equations as
LyX is a front-end to (La)TeX. Until about FrameMaker 5.5
for Windows appeared which is good, the only excellent equation  
generator was Tex which ran on *nix platforms

until it was ported; from a technical writer pov, for docs
over 200 pages. Word had the very worst evaluation.

You are smart intelligent writer. But I think your review
should have used a math equation or diagram example file
for html conversion and it didn't because you didn't know
that was the strenght of LyX. Why compare LyX in the
category of liberal arts html page-makers? It isn't special
in that category and makes no claim to be special. So
your article should have at most given a one/two-line
dismissal to LyX as a textual html generating tool, and
instead informed the reader about how great LyX was
in generating a technically oriented document. Your
article isn't written correctly as a sample of your tech
writing expertise (in which I believe you want to excel).
I think you should have said what LyX is really good at.

The file below (xypic.tex) is a good example of a more
technical example of writing that demonstrates LyX.

http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~gumm/LyX/xypic/

The file does use the ae fontscheme. The high quality conversion
took seconds, while the ($450) Acrobat conversion was a flop.
I was certainly wrong about that. The conversion had a problem
with one png file that came with the document.

So to make it perfect I had to edit the source .htm file after
htlatex produced it. You can see the source htm code under
View/Source on Internet Explorer. That file needed to be edited
with a text editor. I replaced the bad htlatex generated code
Original bad code: src=xypic0x.png alt=PIC class=graphics
!--tex4ht:graphics  name=xypic0x.png src=xyfigure.PNG

with
constructed, displayed and interactively edited inside LY X. !--l.  
74--

P class=indentIMG class=graphics alt=PIC
src=Using_XYpic_in_LyX_files/xyfigure.png!--tex4ht:graphics
name=xyfigure.png src=xyfigure.png

and it took about 15 minutes to proofread it and fix hypen errors.
I think a good article should contain a produced example, maybe not  
in a blog though. My impression was that both you and Rich

produce very few equations so don't fathom a critical field area.
The LyX learning curve is less steep than (X)Emacs which is good
because complex Latex can make early inroads on LyX competence.
Just so you don't think I'm being too critical, I think you are bright
and a very good writer with a flair for computer literacy

Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX (rambling)

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I don't think you were aware, when writing your review, that
the strength of LyX is generating mathematical equations as
LyX is a front-end to (La)TeX.


Actually my example article did use a mathematical equation to  
illustrate the power of LyX, in fact, that was the very first example  
I gave and for the reasons you site, TeX's background. In fact, in my  
article I state "TEX, the underlying technology for LyX, was original  
invented in order to produce beautiful mathematical equations." So it  
would appear we are in agreement.



Why compare LyX in the
category of liberal arts html page-makers?
I'm afraid I don't understand your point. As I state in my conclusion  
"The only reason I put up with LyX is that it makes handling the  
formulas and bibliography issues with my book on retirement planning  
much easier to deal with." In other words, the reason I used LyX at  
all was because I'm writing a book on retirement planning that I'm  
posting on my website that involves a large number of equations and  
an extensive bibliography, two areas where TeX especially shines.


Thanks,

Yaron

P.S. The article says "TEX" instead of "TeX" due to a quirk of the  
HTML generation I forgot to fix.


On Jan 30, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Stephen Harris wrote:



----- Original Message - From: "Yaron Y. Goland"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Rich Shepard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX


Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font  
other  than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my  
part. When I  generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't  
have the ligature  issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex  
(e.g. TeX4ht) directly.  But I have to use htlatex because LyX  
doesn't have BibTeX support for  HTML. If I could just find the  
right argument for htlatex I'm  guessing this problem would go away.

Yaron


As you may know, LyX was designed for Linux and later ported
to Windows. During the installation LyX checks for Latex2html
and hevea and one other I forget. These choices are not very
easy to configure for Windows; but htlatex certainly is. So I
think exporting to Latex and then running htlatex is the way to go,  
which is a minor inconvenience=WinLyx imperfection.


I don't think you were aware, when writing your review, that
the strength of LyX is generating mathematical equations as
LyX is a front-end to (La)TeX. Until about FrameMaker 5.5
for Windows appeared which is good, the only excellent equation  
generator was Tex which ran on *nix platforms

until it was ported; from a technical writer pov, for docs
over 200 pages. Word had the very worst evaluation.

You are smart intelligent writer. But I think your review
should have used a math equation or diagram example file
for html conversion and it didn't because you didn't know
that was the strenght of LyX. Why compare LyX in the
category of liberal arts html page-makers? It isn't special
in that category and makes no claim to be special. So
your article "should" have at most given a one/two-line
dismissal to LyX as a textual html generating tool, and
instead informed the reader about how great LyX was
in generating a technically oriented document. Your
article isn't written correctly as a sample of your tech
writing expertise (in which I believe you want to excel).
I think you should have said what LyX is really good at.

The file below (xypic.tex) is a good example of a more
technical example of writing that demonstrates LyX.

http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~gumm/LyX/xypic/

The file does use the ae fontscheme. The high quality conversion
took seconds, while the ($450) Acrobat conversion was a flop.
I was certainly wrong about that. The conversion had a problem
with one png file that came with the document.

So to make it perfect I had to edit the source .htm file after
htlatex produced it. You can see the source htm code under
View/Source on Internet Explorer. That file needed to be edited
with a text editor. I replaced the bad htlatex generated code
Original bad code: src="xypic0x.png" alt="PIC" class="graphics">

Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Rich, as the Newbie in question, I actually agree with your basic  
premise that if you are doing real web page design then LyX is the  
wrong tool in the exact same sense that you meant it, i.e. don't use  
a spreadsheet when what you need is a relational database.


But I think if you review the issues I list you will find that I am  
trying to create a static document that can be 'reasonably' outputted  
as HTML in the same sense that one uses LyX to create a document that  
can be 'reasonably' outputted as a PDF. The key issue of course is  
what is 'reasonable'? I'd argue that any basic formatting that one  
would normally associate with a static document should be available  
for HTML formatting.


Here's a summary of the key HTML related points I make in my article  
http://www.goland.org/lyx/:


Export-HTML does not properly support BibTex - Given that Export- 
PDF works fine with BibTex I suspect this is just a bug


Cannot create hyperlinked text using URL dialog (e.g. the moral  
equivalent of a href=foobar/a)- The issue seems to be that LyX  
doesn't natively support the \href macro in hyperref, I'm arguing it  
should, especially since PDF generation would also benefit from this  
feature.


\ref  \label don't work at all with HTML - I'm not sure if this is a  
bug in TeX4ht or in how LyX outputs. In either case this request is  
even higher in my personal priority list than the URL issue. Having  
to manually manage cross-references is just a nightmare.


Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font other  
than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my part. When I  
generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't have the ligature  
issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex (e.g. TeX4ht) directly.  
But I have to use htlatex because LyX doesn't have BibTeX support for  
HTML. If I could just find the right argument for htlatex I'm  
guessing this problem would go away.


Yaron











On Jan 29, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:


On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote:

i would love to hear the developers (and others) oppinion on the  
raised

issues.


martin,

  I've not read the OP's blog so I cannot directly comment on  
specific issues
raised. However, I will share my initial reaction to reading the  
original
post: Why use a typesetting system designed for text-heavy printed  
documents

to produce HTML for Web pages?

  IMO, writing HTML is no different in purpose than writing code in  
other
programming languages such as C and Python. I believe that a text  
editor is
the appropriate tool for the task, not LyX or LaTeX. This reminds  
me of
experiences more than a decade ago when I had the misfortune to try  
to work
with people who insisted on using a spreadsheet as a data  
repository and

reporting tool when what they needed was a fully relational database
management system.

  While I'm sure that others will strongly disagree with me, I  
think that LyX
is the wrong tool to prepare Web pages, just as I think it's the  
wrong tool

to do visually intensive page layout (use Scribus for that).

Rich

--
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Environmental
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)   |  Impact Assessments Using  
Fuzzy Logic
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax:  
503-667-8863

Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Rich, as the Newbie in question, I actually agree with your basic  
premise that if you are doing real web page design then LyX is the  
wrong tool in the exact same sense that you meant it, i.e. don't use  
a spreadsheet when what you need is a relational database.


But I think if you review the issues I list you will find that I am  
trying to create a static document that can be 'reasonably' outputted  
as HTML in the same sense that one uses LyX to create a document that  
can be 'reasonably' outputted as a PDF. The key issue of course is  
what is 'reasonable'? I'd argue that any basic formatting that one  
would normally associate with a static document should be available  
for HTML formatting.


Here's a summary of the key HTML related points I make in my article  
http://www.goland.org/lyx/:


Export-HTML does not properly support BibTex - Given that Export- 
PDF works fine with BibTex I suspect this is just a bug


Cannot create hyperlinked text using URL dialog (e.g. the moral  
equivalent of a href=foobar/a)- The issue seems to be that LyX  
doesn't natively support the \href macro in hyperref, I'm arguing it  
should, especially since PDF generation would also benefit from this  
feature.


\ref  \label don't work at all with HTML - I'm not sure if this is a  
bug in TeX4ht or in how LyX outputs. In either case this request is  
even higher in my personal priority list than the URL issue. Having  
to manually manage cross-references is just a nightmare.


Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font other  
than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my part. When I  
generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't have the ligature  
issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex (e.g. TeX4ht) directly.  
But I have to use htlatex because LyX doesn't have BibTeX support for  
HTML. If I could just find the right argument for htlatex I'm  
guessing this problem would go away.


Yaron











On Jan 29, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:


On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote:

i would love to hear the developers (and others) oppinion on the  
raised

issues.


martin,

  I've not read the OP's blog so I cannot directly comment on  
specific issues
raised. However, I will share my initial reaction to reading the  
original
post: Why use a typesetting system designed for text-heavy printed  
documents

to produce HTML for Web pages?

  IMO, writing HTML is no different in purpose than writing code in  
other
programming languages such as C and Python. I believe that a text  
editor is
the appropriate tool for the task, not LyX or LaTeX. This reminds  
me of
experiences more than a decade ago when I had the misfortune to try  
to work
with people who insisted on using a spreadsheet as a data  
repository and

reporting tool when what they needed was a fully relational database
management system.

  While I'm sure that others will strongly disagree with me, I  
think that LyX
is the wrong tool to prepare Web pages, just as I think it's the  
wrong tool

to do visually intensive page layout (use Scribus for that).

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |   Author of Quantifying  
Environmental
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)   |  Impact Assessments Using  
Fuzzy Logic
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax:  
503-667-8863

Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX

[Yaron Y. Goland]

Rich, as the Newbie in question, I actually agree with your basic  
premise that if you are doing real web page design then LyX is the  
wrong tool in the exact same sense that you meant it, i.e. don't use  
a spreadsheet when what you need is a relational database.


But I think if you review the issues I list you will find that I am  
trying to create a static document that can be 'reasonably' outputted  
as HTML in the same sense that one uses LyX to create a document that  
can be 'reasonably' outputted as a PDF. The key issue of course is  
what is 'reasonable'? I'd argue that any basic formatting that one  
would normally associate with a static document should be available  
for HTML formatting.


Here's a summary of the key HTML related points I make in my article  
:


Export->HTML does not properly support BibTex - Given that Export- 
>PDF works fine with BibTex I suspect this is just a bug


Cannot create hyperlinked text using URL dialog (e.g. the moral  
equivalent of bar)- The issue seems to be that LyX  
doesn't natively support the \href macro in hyperref, I'm arguing it  
should, especially since PDF generation would also benefit from this  
feature.


\ref & \label don't work at all with HTML - I'm not sure if this is a  
bug in TeX4ht or in how LyX outputs. In either case this request is  
even higher in my personal priority list than the URL issue. Having  
to manually manage cross-references is just a nightmare.


Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font other  
than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my part. When I  
generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't have the ligature  
issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex (e.g. TeX4ht) directly.  
But I have to use htlatex because LyX doesn't have BibTeX support for  
HTML. If I could just find the right argument for htlatex I'm  
guessing this problem would go away.


Yaron











On Jan 29, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Rich Shepard wrote:


On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote:

i would love to hear the developers (and others) oppinion on the  
raised

issues.


martin,

  I've not read the OP's blog so I cannot directly comment on  
specific issues
raised. However, I will share my initial reaction to reading the  
original
post: Why use a typesetting system designed for text-heavy printed  
documents

to produce HTML for Web pages?

  IMO, writing HTML is no different in purpose than writing code in  
other
programming languages such as C and Python. I believe that a text  
editor is
the appropriate tool for the task, not LyX or LaTeX. This reminds  
me of
experiences more than a decade ago when I had the misfortune to try  
to work
with people who insisted on using a spreadsheet as a data  
repository and

reporting tool when what they needed was a fully relational database
management system.

  While I'm sure that others will strongly disagree with me, I  
think that LyX
is the wrong tool to prepare Web pages, just as I think it's the  
wrong tool

to do visually intensive page layout (use Scribus for that).

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |   Author of "Quantifying  
Environmental
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)   |  Impact Assessments Using  
Fuzzy Logic"
 Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax:  
503-667-8863

Pagination and Section Headings

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I had an Open Office document that consisted of nothing but section  
headings that ran for several pages. So I translated it to TeX and  
imported it to LyX. All of which worked beautifully. But when I print  
the document the result is a single page where I can see that the  
section headings ran off the end. In other words TeX doesn't seem to  
properly handle pagination when the content is nothing but section  
headings. Any hints on how to resolve this?

Thanks,
Yaron
P.S. Yes, I thought of translating the document to an enumeration but  
I wanted the section headings so I could fill in content. The point  
is that this is the layout.


Here is the title and first part of the document

#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 221
\textclass article
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\fontscheme bookman
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single
\papersize Default
\paperpackage a4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language swedish
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default

\layout Title

House Check List
\layout Section

Check List
\layout Subsection

...

\ref tex4ht

[Yaron Y . Goland]

I am trying to use \label and \ref with tex4ht and the results are  
not pretty. Tex4ht seems to go into an endless loop and eats up all  
my processor time. The only way I can find to reference \label is to  
use \pageref which for some bizarre reason tex4ht will take and uses  
to generate some seemingly random page number. I really just want to  
use \label and \ref with the output being something reasonable like a  
section number. Is this possible?


I am aware of \hypertarget and \hyperlink but having to manage my own  
cross linking is, well, nuts. The whole point of having word  
processors is to manage nonsense like this.


So if anyone knows a reasonable way to get \ref and \label working  
with tex4ht I'd really appreciate your help.


Thanks,

Yaron

A Newbie's Experience with LyX

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I wrote an article for my blog http://www.goland.org/lyx outlining  
the various things I had to do in order to get LyX to the point where  
it could generate decent HTML. I can't help but think that most of  
the issues I ran into could be fairly easily solved in LyX itself but  
such is the nature of open source, if you don't like it, fix it.


Anyway, hopefully the article will help others have a slightly easier  
learning curve than I have had.


Thanks to everyone who helped me out!

Yaron

Pagination and Section Headings

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I had an Open Office document that consisted of nothing but section  
headings that ran for several pages. So I translated it to TeX and  
imported it to LyX. All of which worked beautifully. But when I print  
the document the result is a single page where I can see that the  
section headings ran off the end. In other words TeX doesn't seem to  
properly handle pagination when the content is nothing but section  
headings. Any hints on how to resolve this?

Thanks,
Yaron
P.S. Yes, I thought of translating the document to an enumeration but  
I wanted the section headings so I could fill in content. The point  
is that this is the layout.


Here is the title and first part of the document

#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 221
\textclass article
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\fontscheme bookman
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single
\papersize Default
\paperpackage a4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language swedish
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default

\layout Title

House Check List
\layout Section

Check List
\layout Subsection

...

\ref tex4ht

[Yaron Y . Goland]

I am trying to use \label and \ref with tex4ht and the results are  
not pretty. Tex4ht seems to go into an endless loop and eats up all  
my processor time. The only way I can find to reference \label is to  
use \pageref which for some bizarre reason tex4ht will take and uses  
to generate some seemingly random page number. I really just want to  
use \label and \ref with the output being something reasonable like a  
section number. Is this possible?


I am aware of \hypertarget and \hyperlink but having to manage my own  
cross linking is, well, nuts. The whole point of having word  
processors is to manage nonsense like this.


So if anyone knows a reasonable way to get \ref and \label working  
with tex4ht I'd really appreciate your help.


Thanks,

Yaron

A Newbie's Experience with LyX

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I wrote an article for my blog http://www.goland.org/lyx outlining  
the various things I had to do in order to get LyX to the point where  
it could generate decent HTML. I can't help but think that most of  
the issues I ran into could be fairly easily solved in LyX itself but  
such is the nature of open source, if you don't like it, fix it.


Anyway, hopefully the article will help others have a slightly easier  
learning curve than I have had.


Thanks to everyone who helped me out!

Yaron

Pagination and Section Headings

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I had an Open Office document that consisted of nothing but section  
headings that ran for several pages. So I translated it to TeX and  
imported it to LyX. All of which worked beautifully. But when I print  
the document the result is a single page where I can see that the  
section headings ran off the end. In other words TeX doesn't seem to  
properly handle pagination when the content is nothing but section  
headings. Any hints on how to resolve this?

Thanks,
Yaron
P.S. Yes, I thought of translating the document to an enumeration but  
I wanted the section headings so I could fill in content. The point  
is that this is the layout.


Here is the title and first part of the document

#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 221
\textclass article
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\fontscheme bookman
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single
\papersize Default
\paperpackage a4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language swedish
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default

\layout Title

House Check List
\layout Section

Check List
\layout Subsection

...

\ref & tex4ht

[Yaron Y . Goland]

I am trying to use \label and \ref with tex4ht and the results are  
not pretty. Tex4ht seems to go into an endless loop and eats up all  
my processor time. The only way I can find to reference \label is to  
use \pageref which for some bizarre reason tex4ht will take and uses  
to generate some seemingly random page number. I really just want to  
use \label and \ref with the output being something reasonable like a  
section number. Is this possible?


I am aware of \hypertarget and \hyperlink but having to manage my own  
cross linking is, well, nuts. The whole point of having word  
processors is to manage nonsense like this.


So if anyone knows a reasonable way to get \ref and \label working  
with tex4ht I'd really appreciate your help.


Thanks,

Yaron

A Newbie's Experience with LyX

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I wrote an article for my blog  outlining  
the various things I had to do in order to get LyX to the point where  
it could generate decent HTML. I can't help but think that most of  
the issues I ran into could be fairly easily solved in LyX itself but  
such is the nature of open source, if you don't like it, fix it.


Anyway, hopefully the article will help others have a slightly easier  
learning curve than I have had.


Thanks to everyone who helped me out!

Yaron

Re: Lyx, BibTex HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I eventually figured out the magical incantation. I export to LaTeX  
and then run:

latex myfile
bibtex myfile
latex myfile
latex myfile
htlatex myfile html

This works in terms of making the bibliography work but now I have a  
ligatures problem! All my fi's and such are being turned into funky  
HTML characters. I found the thread http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg35556.html but when I tried the listed options  
the resulting HTML file still had the screwed up characters.


Sigh, it seems every time I overcome one problem another pops up.

Yaron

On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:59 AM, Axel Dessecker wrote:


Yaron,

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 19:45 schrieb Yaron Y. Goland:

I tried htlatex filename and it did translate to HTML but it did not
do the right thing with BibTex. I also looked at the options,


Could you be a little more specific please? Do the references show  
up in the
*.dvi version of your text? I have used the oolatex function from  
time to

time and I know TeX4ht is capable of dealing with references.

Axel

Re: Lyx, BibTex HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I eventually figured out the magical incantation. I export to LaTeX  
and then run:

latex myfile
bibtex myfile
latex myfile
latex myfile
htlatex myfile html

This works in terms of making the bibliography work but now I have a  
ligatures problem! All my fi's and such are being turned into funky  
HTML characters. I found the thread http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg35556.html but when I tried the listed options  
the resulting HTML file still had the screwed up characters.


Sigh, it seems every time I overcome one problem another pops up.

Yaron

On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:59 AM, Axel Dessecker wrote:


Yaron,

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 19:45 schrieb Yaron Y. Goland:

I tried htlatex filename and it did translate to HTML but it did not
do the right thing with BibTex. I also looked at the options,


Could you be a little more specific please? Do the references show  
up in the
*.dvi version of your text? I have used the oolatex function from  
time to

time and I know TeX4ht is capable of dealing with references.

Axel

Re: Lyx, BibTex & HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I eventually figured out the magical incantation. I export to LaTeX  
and then run:

latex myfile
bibtex myfile
latex myfile
latex myfile
htlatex myfile "html"

This works in terms of making the bibliography work but now I have a  
ligatures problem! All my fi's and such are being turned into funky  
HTML characters. I found the thread http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg35556.html but when I tried the listed options  
the resulting HTML file still had the screwed up characters.


Sigh, it seems every time I overcome one problem another pops up.

Yaron

On Jan 26, 2006, at 12:59 AM, Axel Dessecker wrote:


Yaron,

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 19:45 schrieb Yaron Y. Goland:

I tried htlatex filename and it did translate to HTML but it did not
do the right thing with BibTex. I also looked at the options,


Could you be a little more specific please? Do the references show  
up in the
*.dvi version of your text? I have used the oolatex function from  
time to

time and I know TeX4ht is capable of dealing with references.

Axel

Re: Lyx, BibTex HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I am running on OS X and last night I used Fink to upgrade my Tex4ht  
installation and ran it to do the generation but it had the same  
problem. The BibTex references weren't referenced. What command line  
should I run to get Tex4ht to do the right thing?

Thanks,
Yaron

On Jan 25, 2006, at 1:04 AM, Axel Dessecker wrote:


Yaron,

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 08:25 schrieb Yaron Y. Goland:

I suspect I'm pushing my luck but I'm trying to use Lyx and BibTex to
generate HTML files. Using the built in HTML generator didn't work
out. My citation references show up as [?] and no bibliography is
generated (even though everything works fine with export to PDF). Any
hints on how I can get HTML generation to do the right thing in
regards to BibTex?


Try TeX4ht: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/

Axel

Re: Lyx, BibTex HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I tried htlatex filename and it did translate to HTML but it did not  
do the right thing with BibTex. I also looked at the options,  
specifically, http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn3.html#QQ1-3-5  
but I didn't see anything in there about BibTex.


On Jan 25, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Axel Dessecker wrote:


Yaron,

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 18:03 schrieb Yaron Y. Goland:

I am running on OS X and last night I used Fink to upgrade my Tex4ht
installation and ran it to do the generation but it had the same
problem. The BibTex references weren't referenced. What command line
should I run to get Tex4ht to do the right thing?


What about htlatex filename with adequate options as specified in  
the manual?
If this does not work, have a closer look at the messages you get.  
If you

need the real expert, ask Eitan Gurari.

Axel

Re: Lyx, BibTex HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I am running on OS X and last night I used Fink to upgrade my Tex4ht  
installation and ran it to do the generation but it had the same  
problem. The BibTex references weren't referenced. What command line  
should I run to get Tex4ht to do the right thing?

Thanks,
Yaron

On Jan 25, 2006, at 1:04 AM, Axel Dessecker wrote:


Yaron,

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 08:25 schrieb Yaron Y. Goland:

I suspect I'm pushing my luck but I'm trying to use Lyx and BibTex to
generate HTML files. Using the built in HTML generator didn't work
out. My citation references show up as [?] and no bibliography is
generated (even though everything works fine with export to PDF). Any
hints on how I can get HTML generation to do the right thing in
regards to BibTex?


Try TeX4ht: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/

Axel

Re: Lyx, BibTex HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I tried htlatex filename and it did translate to HTML but it did not  
do the right thing with BibTex. I also looked at the options,  
specifically, http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn3.html#QQ1-3-5  
but I didn't see anything in there about BibTex.


On Jan 25, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Axel Dessecker wrote:


Yaron,

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 18:03 schrieb Yaron Y. Goland:

I am running on OS X and last night I used Fink to upgrade my Tex4ht
installation and ran it to do the generation but it had the same
problem. The BibTex references weren't referenced. What command line
should I run to get Tex4ht to do the right thing?


What about htlatex filename with adequate options as specified in  
the manual?
If this does not work, have a closer look at the messages you get.  
If you

need the real expert, ask Eitan Gurari.

Axel

Re: Lyx, BibTex & HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I am running on OS X and last night I used Fink to upgrade my Tex4ht  
installation and ran it to do the generation but it had the same  
problem. The BibTex references weren't referenced. What command line  
should I run to get Tex4ht to do the right thing?

Thanks,
Yaron

On Jan 25, 2006, at 1:04 AM, Axel Dessecker wrote:


Yaron,

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 08:25 schrieb Yaron Y. Goland:

I suspect I'm pushing my luck but I'm trying to use Lyx and BibTex to
generate HTML files. Using the built in HTML generator didn't work
out. My citation references show up as [?] and no bibliography is
generated (even though everything works fine with export to PDF). Any
hints on how I can get HTML generation to do the right thing in
regards to BibTex?


Try TeX4ht: http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/

Axel

Re: Lyx, BibTex & HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I tried htlatex filename and it did translate to HTML but it did not  
do the right thing with BibTex. I also looked at the options,  
specifically, http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn3.html#QQ1-3-5  
but I didn't see anything in there about BibTex.


On Jan 25, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Axel Dessecker wrote:


Yaron,

Am Mittwoch, 25. Januar 2006 18:03 schrieb Yaron Y. Goland:

I am running on OS X and last night I used Fink to upgrade my Tex4ht
installation and ran it to do the generation but it had the same
problem. The BibTex references weren't referenced. What command line
should I run to get Tex4ht to do the right thing?


What about htlatex filename with adequate options as specified in  
the manual?
If this does not work, have a closer look at the messages you get.  
If you

need the real expert, ask Eitan Gurari.

Axel

Lyx, BibTex HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I suspect I'm pushing my luck but I'm trying to use Lyx and BibTex to  
generate HTML files. Using the built in HTML generator didn't work  
out. My citation references show up as [?] and no bibliography is  
generated (even though everything works fine with export to PDF). Any  
hints on how I can get HTML generation to do the right thing in  
regards to BibTex?


Thanks,

Yaron

Lyx, BibTex HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I suspect I'm pushing my luck but I'm trying to use Lyx and BibTex to  
generate HTML files. Using the built in HTML generator didn't work  
out. My citation references show up as [?] and no bibliography is  
generated (even though everything works fine with export to PDF). Any  
hints on how I can get HTML generation to do the right thing in  
regards to BibTex?


Thanks,

Yaron

Lyx, BibTex & HTML

[Yaron Y. Goland]

I suspect I'm pushing my luck but I'm trying to use Lyx and BibTex to  
generate HTML files. Using the built in HTML generator didn't work  
out. My citation references show up as [?] and no bibliography is  
generated (even though everything works fine with export to PDF). Any  
hints on how I can get HTML generation to do the right thing in  
regards to BibTex?


Thanks,

Yaron