Re: Incoming 1.5.3 binaries for debian/ubuntu distributions
So, I guess this situation leaves me in kind of a foobar snafu: (1) The current distribution official release in Ubuntu Gutsy is 1.5.1 (2) 1.5.3 is only available in Ubuntu Hardy, and has dependencies not satisfied by Gutsy So, given this scenario, and the fact that the performance of 1.5.1 is unacceptable (it doesn't scroll well, and it can't keep up with my typing), I guess I am out of luck. Maybe this is for the better... While I've enjoyed using LyX over the past eight years, it has become increasingly noticeable that it is a less than optimal solution for me. Why? (1) When I started most distro's still installed some form of TeX by default. They don't now. So, when I install LyX, I also need a TeX installation (not necessarily a bad thing, given the typsetting capabilities of TeX/LaTeX). (2) When I started with LyX, the primary toolkit in use was still xforms. The idea was to eventually have both a qt and gtk+ versions. However, as things have progressed, it seems that gtk+ has fallen off the map (understandably, no one wants to work on it). Unfortunately, as I've refined my configurations, all of the applications I really need are gtk+ based, so maintaining an installation of qt for a sinlge applications seems a bit more than silly. (3) Duplication of applications: I still have to be able to work with MS Word / Excel documents, and I can't afford to do a lot of back-and-forth conversion and lose the styles in the Word documents. So, this has meant maintaining either AbiWord Gnumeric, or OpenOffice.org on my system. So, the point is, this current packaging issue has just tipped the scales past the point of being reasonable. It's just gotten to the point where maintaining LyX on my system has become (a) costly in terms of disk space and resources used, (b) now is costing me time, (c) and is actually interfering in my work. So, it's time to set LyX aside. It's been fun using LyX for these past eight years, but now it's time to move on. Bye! // George
Re: Incoming 1.5.3 binaries for debian/ubuntu distributions
So, I guess this situation leaves me in kind of a foobar snafu: (1) The current distribution official release in Ubuntu Gutsy is 1.5.1 (2) 1.5.3 is only available in Ubuntu Hardy, and has dependencies not satisfied by Gutsy So, given this scenario, and the fact that the performance of 1.5.1 is unacceptable (it doesn't scroll well, and it can't keep up with my typing), I guess I am out of luck. Maybe this is for the better... While I've enjoyed using LyX over the past eight years, it has become increasingly noticeable that it is a less than optimal solution for me. Why? (1) When I started most distro's still installed some form of TeX by default. They don't now. So, when I install LyX, I also need a TeX installation (not necessarily a bad thing, given the typsetting capabilities of TeX/LaTeX). (2) When I started with LyX, the primary toolkit in use was still xforms. The idea was to eventually have both a qt and gtk+ versions. However, as things have progressed, it seems that gtk+ has fallen off the map (understandably, no one wants to work on it). Unfortunately, as I've refined my configurations, all of the applications I really need are gtk+ based, so maintaining an installation of qt for a sinlge applications seems a bit more than silly. (3) Duplication of applications: I still have to be able to work with MS Word / Excel documents, and I can't afford to do a lot of back-and-forth conversion and lose the styles in the Word documents. So, this has meant maintaining either AbiWord Gnumeric, or OpenOffice.org on my system. So, the point is, this current packaging issue has just tipped the scales past the point of being reasonable. It's just gotten to the point where maintaining LyX on my system has become (a) costly in terms of disk space and resources used, (b) now is costing me time, (c) and is actually interfering in my work. So, it's time to set LyX aside. It's been fun using LyX for these past eight years, but now it's time to move on. Bye! // George
Re: Incoming 1.5.3 binaries for debian/ubuntu distributions
So, I guess this situation leaves me in kind of a foobar snafu: (1) The current distribution official release in Ubuntu Gutsy is 1.5.1 (2) 1.5.3 is only available in Ubuntu Hardy, and has dependencies not satisfied by Gutsy So, given this scenario, and the fact that the performance of 1.5.1 is unacceptable (it doesn't scroll well, and it can't keep up with my typing), I guess I am out of luck. Maybe this is for the better... While I've enjoyed using LyX over the past eight years, it has become increasingly noticeable that it is a less than optimal solution for me. Why? (1) When I started most distro's still installed some form of TeX by default. They don't now. So, when I install LyX, I also need a TeX installation (not necessarily a bad thing, given the typsetting capabilities of TeX/LaTeX). (2) When I started with LyX, the primary toolkit in use was still xforms. The idea was to eventually have both a qt and gtk+ versions. However, as things have progressed, it seems that gtk+ has fallen off the map (understandably, no one wants to work on it). Unfortunately, as I've refined my configurations, all of the applications I really need are gtk+ based, so maintaining an installation of qt for a sinlge applications seems a bit more than silly. (3) Duplication of applications: I still have to be able to work with MS Word / Excel documents, and I can't afford to do a lot of back-and-forth conversion and lose the styles in the Word documents. So, this has meant maintaining either AbiWord & Gnumeric, or OpenOffice.org on my system. So, the point is, this current packaging issue has just tipped the scales past the point of being reasonable. It's just gotten to the point where maintaining LyX on my system has become (a) costly in terms of disk space and resources used, (b) now is costing me time, (c) and is actually interfering in my work. So, it's time to set LyX aside. It's been fun using LyX for these past eight years, but now it's time to move on. Bye! // George
Re: Incoming 1.5.3 binaries for debian/ubuntu distributions
Christopher Menzel wrote: On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Sam Lewis wrote: ftp Available LyX 1.5.3 checkinstall packages for *etch* and *dapper* on ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming/ lyx_1.5.3-1_i386_dapper.deb lyx_1.5.3-1_i386_etch.deb Are we to assume negation as failure here or are there already packages available for feisty and gutsy somewhere? So far, the only Ubuntu native package of 1.5.3 I've seen has been in the Hardy repositories - which has dependencies that Gutsy doesn't satisfy. (I haven't looked at backports.org yet) // George
Re: Incoming 1.5.3 binaries for debian/ubuntu distributions
Christopher Menzel wrote: On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Sam Lewis wrote: ftp Available LyX 1.5.3 checkinstall packages for *etch* and *dapper* on ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming/ lyx_1.5.3-1_i386_dapper.deb lyx_1.5.3-1_i386_etch.deb Are we to assume negation as failure here or are there already packages available for feisty and gutsy somewhere? So far, the only Ubuntu native package of 1.5.3 I've seen has been in the Hardy repositories - which has dependencies that Gutsy doesn't satisfy. (I haven't looked at backports.org yet) // George
Re: Incoming 1.5.3 binaries for debian/ubuntu distributions
Christopher Menzel wrote: On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Sam Lewis wrote: ftp Available LyX 1.5.3 checkinstall packages for *etch* and *dapper* on ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming/ lyx_1.5.3-1_i386_dapper.deb lyx_1.5.3-1_i386_etch.deb Are we to assume negation as failure here or are there already packages available for feisty and gutsy somewhere? So far, the only Ubuntu native package of 1.5.3 I've seen has been in the Hardy repositories - which has dependencies that Gutsy doesn't satisfy. (I haven't looked at backports.org yet) // George
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
Ignacio García wrote: What deb package are you trying? I have downloaded and installed on Ubuntu 7.10 the dapper version with no problems. I'm using it from october. ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.5.2/lyx-1.5.2-1_dapper_i386.deb Okay, I tried the package you mentioned, and it installed. The package I had tried was the i386 package. Odd this one installs, but the other doesn't. The scrolling is a lot better with this version. More odd: I still have the same dialog problem. This time I got the following message on the terminal: PreferencesPolicy: No transition for input SMI_RESTORE from state INITIAL But, I only got it one time. However, in looking up the message, I see that it has occurred before, about a year ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg110524.html I also tried re-installing the qt4 libraries to see if there was something wrong with the installation - but nothing has changed. // George
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
rgheck wrote: Probably unrelated. Can you create a new user and see if LyX works right for her? Okay, Interesting - now have it down to the root problem: window manager. I normally use pekwm as my window manager. However, when I set up the new user, it went to the system default: Xfce. I then went back to my normal user, and switched back to Xfce, and it worked. Sorry I didn't mention this earlier. I honestly didn't think it was the cause of the issue... Never had it get in the way of LyX before... // George
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
Ignacio García wrote: What deb package are you trying? I have downloaded and installed on Ubuntu 7.10 the dapper version with no problems. I'm using it from october. ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.5.2/lyx-1.5.2-1_dapper_i386.deb Okay, I tried the package you mentioned, and it installed. The package I had tried was the i386 package. Odd this one installs, but the other doesn't. The scrolling is a lot better with this version. More odd: I still have the same dialog problem. This time I got the following message on the terminal: PreferencesPolicy: No transition for input SMI_RESTORE from state INITIAL But, I only got it one time. However, in looking up the message, I see that it has occurred before, about a year ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg110524.html I also tried re-installing the qt4 libraries to see if there was something wrong with the installation - but nothing has changed. // George
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
rgheck wrote: Probably unrelated. Can you create a new user and see if LyX works right for her? Okay, Interesting - now have it down to the root problem: window manager. I normally use pekwm as my window manager. However, when I set up the new user, it went to the system default: Xfce. I then went back to my normal user, and switched back to Xfce, and it worked. Sorry I didn't mention this earlier. I honestly didn't think it was the cause of the issue... Never had it get in the way of LyX before... // George
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
Ignacio García wrote: What deb package are you trying? I have downloaded and installed on Ubuntu 7.10 the dapper version with no problems. I'm using it from october. ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.5.2/lyx-1.5.2-1_dapper_i386.deb Okay, I tried the package you mentioned, and it installed. The package I had tried was the i386 package. Odd this one installs, but the other doesn't. The scrolling is a lot better with this version. More odd: I still have the same dialog problem. This time I got the following message on the terminal: "PreferencesPolicy: No transition for input SMI_RESTORE from state INITIAL" But, I only got it one time. However, in looking up the message, I see that it has occurred before, about a year ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg110524.html I also tried re-installing the qt4 libraries to see if there was something wrong with the installation - but nothing has changed. // George
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
rgheck wrote: Probably unrelated. Can you create a new user and see if LyX works right for her? Okay, Interesting - now have it down to the root problem: window manager. I normally use pekwm as my window manager. However, when I set up the new user, it went to the system default: Xfce. I then went back to my normal user, and switched back to Xfce, and it worked. Sorry I didn't mention this earlier. I honestly didn't think it was the cause of the issue... Never had it get in the way of LyX before... // George
Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
I'm seeing a couple of issues with LyX 1.5.1 on XUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) that I don't have a solution for... The package is from the Ubuntu repositories. The two issues are: (1) It appears to be really slow when trying to scroll text on the screen. It's not horrible, but its not as fast as the 1.4.x series. (2) For some reason, I can go into a dialog once and only once per session. For example, the preferences dialog, or the document settings dialog. Basically, I can go in once, make changes, hit apply, make more changes, hit apply, etc. But, as soon as I either hit save or close, I can't go back into the dialog. Once I restart LyX I can repeat the process. The strange thing about #2 is that I would have thought it was a qt resource issue that would affect other parts of the system, but it doesn't appear to. I can open the Outline, Output, command line windows with issue. Detach, re-attach them, close, re-open, etc. I'm baffled, especially by #2. I tried starting LyX from a terminal, hoping to get some error output that might point me in the right direction. There wasn't any. I tried grabbing the .deb for 1.5.2 from the lyx.org site, but couldn't get it to install. GDebi told me that it wasn't a valid package. Any hints or clues? // George --- Faster moments spent spread tales of change within the sound...
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
rgheck wrote: George De Bruin wrote: I'm seeing a couple of issues with LyX 1.5.1 on XUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) that I don't have a solution for... The package is from the Ubuntu repositories. The two issues are: (1) It appears to be really slow when trying to scroll text on the screen. It's not horrible, but its not as fast as the 1.4.x series. Try 1.5.3. Some work has been done on scrolling, and a LOT more is to come in 1.6. I would, but I don't see a .deb out there for it. (Either in the Ubuntu repos, or on ftp.lyx.org) And I really don't want to compile from the source... I've tried to install the 1.5.2 .deb, but keep getting the message: Failed to open the software package The package might be corrupted or you are not allowed to open the file. Check the permissions of the file. I tried uninstalling the 1.5.1 package first, then installing the 1.52, but get the same message. I've double checked the permissions, and they are okay. and, I've downloaded it 3 times, each time the file sizes are identical, and the md5sum's are the same. I just tried two more things: uninstalling 1.5.1 first. Still no luck. Then I tried disabling AppArmor, still no luck. I've gone back to 1.5.1 for the moment (it actually works...just oddly). (2) For some reason, I can go into a dialog once and only once per session. For example, the preferences dialog, or the document settings dialog. Basically, I can go in once, make changes, hit apply, make more changes, hit apply, etc. But, as soon as I either hit save or close, I can't go back into the dialog. Once I restart LyX I can repeat the process. Don't know about this one. CC'ing lyx-devel. Yeah, this is the one that's *really* strange and baffling to me. I should clarify: I don't have to open a document, and I don't have to make any changes in the dialog for this to happen. I also tried executing the dialog from the command buffer: dialog-show document / preferences. Neither of those work either. And, just so the dev guys see this: I've tried running LyX from a terminal: there are no error messages. // George
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
rgheck wrote: Hmm. That's very strange. The Ubuntu people should really get with it. It's one thing being slow to update major versions---Debian etch is still at 1.4.3---but it's criminal not to keep up with minor version updates. And I really don't want to compile from the source... I don't know why it hasn't been updated yet...I'm a bit surprised looking at the release dates. But compiling from source isn't difficult with LyX. You don't need that much, and we'll help. ;-) Not a difficulty issue -- I know how to grab a source tarball, compile and install... Just don't want to have a non-packaged installation. I've just gotten to the point where I have too many other things to maintain that I don't need to go beyond the multiverse repositories. ;-) // George
Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
I'm seeing a couple of issues with LyX 1.5.1 on XUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) that I don't have a solution for... The package is from the Ubuntu repositories. The two issues are: (1) It appears to be really slow when trying to scroll text on the screen. It's not horrible, but its not as fast as the 1.4.x series. (2) For some reason, I can go into a dialog once and only once per session. For example, the preferences dialog, or the document settings dialog. Basically, I can go in once, make changes, hit apply, make more changes, hit apply, etc. But, as soon as I either hit save or close, I can't go back into the dialog. Once I restart LyX I can repeat the process. The strange thing about #2 is that I would have thought it was a qt resource issue that would affect other parts of the system, but it doesn't appear to. I can open the Outline, Output, command line windows with issue. Detach, re-attach them, close, re-open, etc. I'm baffled, especially by #2. I tried starting LyX from a terminal, hoping to get some error output that might point me in the right direction. There wasn't any. I tried grabbing the .deb for 1.5.2 from the lyx.org site, but couldn't get it to install. GDebi told me that it wasn't a valid package. Any hints or clues? // George --- Faster moments spent spread tales of change within the sound...
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
rgheck wrote: George De Bruin wrote: I'm seeing a couple of issues with LyX 1.5.1 on XUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) that I don't have a solution for... The package is from the Ubuntu repositories. The two issues are: (1) It appears to be really slow when trying to scroll text on the screen. It's not horrible, but its not as fast as the 1.4.x series. Try 1.5.3. Some work has been done on scrolling, and a LOT more is to come in 1.6. I would, but I don't see a .deb out there for it. (Either in the Ubuntu repos, or on ftp.lyx.org) And I really don't want to compile from the source... I've tried to install the 1.5.2 .deb, but keep getting the message: Failed to open the software package The package might be corrupted or you are not allowed to open the file. Check the permissions of the file. I tried uninstalling the 1.5.1 package first, then installing the 1.52, but get the same message. I've double checked the permissions, and they are okay. and, I've downloaded it 3 times, each time the file sizes are identical, and the md5sum's are the same. I just tried two more things: uninstalling 1.5.1 first. Still no luck. Then I tried disabling AppArmor, still no luck. I've gone back to 1.5.1 for the moment (it actually works...just oddly). (2) For some reason, I can go into a dialog once and only once per session. For example, the preferences dialog, or the document settings dialog. Basically, I can go in once, make changes, hit apply, make more changes, hit apply, etc. But, as soon as I either hit save or close, I can't go back into the dialog. Once I restart LyX I can repeat the process. Don't know about this one. CC'ing lyx-devel. Yeah, this is the one that's *really* strange and baffling to me. I should clarify: I don't have to open a document, and I don't have to make any changes in the dialog for this to happen. I also tried executing the dialog from the command buffer: dialog-show document / preferences. Neither of those work either. And, just so the dev guys see this: I've tried running LyX from a terminal: there are no error messages. // George
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
rgheck wrote: Hmm. That's very strange. The Ubuntu people should really get with it. It's one thing being slow to update major versions---Debian etch is still at 1.4.3---but it's criminal not to keep up with minor version updates. And I really don't want to compile from the source... I don't know why it hasn't been updated yet...I'm a bit surprised looking at the release dates. But compiling from source isn't difficult with LyX. You don't need that much, and we'll help. ;-) Not a difficulty issue -- I know how to grab a source tarball, compile and install... Just don't want to have a non-packaged installation. I've just gotten to the point where I have too many other things to maintain that I don't need to go beyond the multiverse repositories. ;-) // George
Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
I'm seeing a couple of issues with LyX 1.5.1 on XUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) that I don't have a solution for... The package is from the Ubuntu repositories. The two issues are: (1) It appears to be really slow when trying to scroll text on the screen. It's not horrible, but its not as fast as the 1.4.x series. (2) For some reason, I can go into a dialog once and only once per session. For example, the preferences dialog, or the document settings dialog. Basically, I can go in once, make changes, hit apply, make more changes, hit apply, etc. But, as soon as I either hit save or close, I can't go back into the dialog. Once I restart LyX I can repeat the process. The strange thing about #2 is that I would have thought it was a qt resource issue that would affect other parts of the system, but it doesn't appear to. I can open the Outline, Output, command line windows with issue. Detach, re-attach them, close, re-open, etc. I'm baffled, especially by #2. I tried starting LyX from a terminal, hoping to get some error output that might point me in the right direction. There wasn't any. I tried grabbing the .deb for 1.5.2 from the lyx.org site, but couldn't get it to install. GDebi told me that it wasn't a valid package. Any hints or clues? // George --- Faster moments spent spread tales of change within the sound...
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
rgheck wrote: George De Bruin wrote: I'm seeing a couple of issues with LyX 1.5.1 on XUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) that I don't have a solution for... The package is from the Ubuntu repositories. The two issues are: (1) It appears to be really slow when trying to scroll text on the screen. It's not horrible, but its not as fast as the 1.4.x series. Try 1.5.3. Some work has been done on scrolling, and a LOT more is to come in 1.6. I would, but I don't see a .deb out there for it. (Either in the Ubuntu repos, or on ftp.lyx.org) And I really don't want to compile from the source... I've tried to install the 1.5.2 .deb, but keep getting the message: Failed to open the software package The package might be corrupted or you are not allowed to open the file. Check the permissions of the file. I tried uninstalling the 1.5.1 package first, then installing the 1.52, but get the same message. I've double checked the permissions, and they are okay. and, I've downloaded it 3 times, each time the file sizes are identical, and the md5sum's are the same. I just tried two more things: uninstalling 1.5.1 first. Still no luck. Then I tried disabling AppArmor, still no luck. I've gone back to 1.5.1 for the moment (it actually works...just oddly). (2) For some reason, I can go into a dialog once and only once per session. For example, the preferences dialog, or the document settings dialog. Basically, I can go in once, make changes, hit apply, make more changes, hit apply, etc. But, as soon as I either hit save or close, I can't go back into the dialog. Once I restart LyX I can repeat the process. Don't know about this one. CC'ing lyx-devel. Yeah, this is the one that's *really* strange and baffling to me. I should clarify: I don't have to open a document, and I don't have to make any changes in the dialog for this to happen. I also tried executing the dialog from the command buffer: dialog-show document / preferences. Neither of those work either. And, just so the dev guys see this: I've tried running LyX from a terminal: there are no error messages. // George
Re: Problems with LyX 1.5.1 on Ubuntu 7.10
rgheck wrote: Hmm. That's very strange. The Ubuntu people should really get with it. It's one thing being slow to update major versions---Debian etch is still at 1.4.3---but it's criminal not to keep up with minor version updates. And I really don't want to compile from the source... I don't know why it hasn't been updated yet...I'm a bit surprised looking at the release dates. But compiling from source isn't difficult with LyX. You don't need that much, and we'll help. ;-) Not a difficulty issue -- I know how to grab a source tarball, compile and install... Just don't want to have a non-packaged installation. I've just gotten to the point where I have too many other things to maintain that I don't need to go beyond the multiverse repositories. ;-) // George
Re: newbie font problem
Hi will, Seems like I recall having a similar problem back when I started using LyX. Have you tried running texhash? // George
Re: newbie font problem
Hi will, Seems like I recall having a similar problem back when I started using LyX. Have you tried running texhash? // George
Re: newbie font problem
Hi will, Seems like I recall having a similar problem back when I started using LyX. Have you tried running texhash? // George
Re: OT: Which Distro?
On Saturday 03 November 2001 16:50, George De Bruin wrote: Let me state up front: (a) I'm trying to start a war here, (b) please send And if I was proofing my own messages better, I would have made certain that said ...not trying to start a war... :) // George
Re: OT: Which Distro?
On Saturday 03 November 2001 16:50, George De Bruin wrote: Let me state up front: (a) I'm trying to start a war here, (b) please send And if I was proofing my own messages better, I would have made certain that said ...not trying to start a war... :) // George
Re: OT: Which Distro?
On Saturday 03 November 2001 16:50, George De Bruin wrote: > Let me state up front: (a) I'm trying to start a war here, (b) please send And if I was proofing my own messages better, I would have made certain that said "...not trying to start a war..." :) // George
OT: Which Distro?
Let me state up front: (a) I'm trying to start a war here, (b) please send all responses off-list. I don't want to flood the list with messages on an off-topic subject. That being said: I have been considering going to a different Linux distribution, and would like some input from the LyX list participants. Currently I am running Mandrake 8.0, with a number of patches and updates installed. I have not gone to 8.1 for reasons that there is an issue with devfs, which at this point, Mandrake only has a work-around for, and not a fix. Given that devfs was one of the primary reasons to consider upgrading, I decided to hold off. That has given me the opportunity to consider looking at a different distribution. So far, there are two distributions I have considered: SuSE and Debian. I have used SuSE in the past, and remember to be a very well thought out distribution. I have never used Debian, but am constantly hearing good things about it, so I have become curious. The only distributions I have ruled out (at least for now) are RedHat and Caldera. I have RedHat at work, and don't like working with it. Not to mention the issues with their choice of compiler versions to ship with the distro. As for Caldera - well, do I need to say anything else? :) So, this is how it stands: - Madrake 8.1 (Wait for a devfs fix) - SuSE 7.x - Debian Are there any other distributions I should consider? Why should I consider them in comparison to the three listed above? More to the point, is there a distribution that stands out as being head and shoulders above the rest where LyX and it's associated tools are concerned? That is: better distribution of tex, sgml / uml / xml tools, better set of external tools (viewers, etc.)? Do you compile LyX on your distro of choice? Did you need to update any libraries, or pass in special parameters to get it to compile? Any other conisderations in this area? What are the developers using? Is there any one distribution that they favor overall? Please understand, LyX is a mission critical tool for me. It only makes sense that any consideration I make towards changing distributions would be on the basis of there being a better environment for this tool. Thanks for your time! // George
OT: Which Distro?
Let me state up front: (a) I'm trying to start a war here, (b) please send all responses off-list. I don't want to flood the list with messages on an off-topic subject. That being said: I have been considering going to a different Linux distribution, and would like some input from the LyX list participants. Currently I am running Mandrake 8.0, with a number of patches and updates installed. I have not gone to 8.1 for reasons that there is an issue with devfs, which at this point, Mandrake only has a work-around for, and not a fix. Given that devfs was one of the primary reasons to consider upgrading, I decided to hold off. That has given me the opportunity to consider looking at a different distribution. So far, there are two distributions I have considered: SuSE and Debian. I have used SuSE in the past, and remember to be a very well thought out distribution. I have never used Debian, but am constantly hearing good things about it, so I have become curious. The only distributions I have ruled out (at least for now) are RedHat and Caldera. I have RedHat at work, and don't like working with it. Not to mention the issues with their choice of compiler versions to ship with the distro. As for Caldera - well, do I need to say anything else? :) So, this is how it stands: - Madrake 8.1 (Wait for a devfs fix) - SuSE 7.x - Debian Are there any other distributions I should consider? Why should I consider them in comparison to the three listed above? More to the point, is there a distribution that stands out as being head and shoulders above the rest where LyX and it's associated tools are concerned? That is: better distribution of tex, sgml / uml / xml tools, better set of external tools (viewers, etc.)? Do you compile LyX on your distro of choice? Did you need to update any libraries, or pass in special parameters to get it to compile? Any other conisderations in this area? What are the developers using? Is there any one distribution that they favor overall? Please understand, LyX is a mission critical tool for me. It only makes sense that any consideration I make towards changing distributions would be on the basis of there being a better environment for this tool. Thanks for your time! // George
OT: Which Distro?
Let me state up front: (a) I'm trying to start a war here, (b) please send all responses off-list. I don't want to flood the list with messages on an off-topic subject. That being said: I have been considering going to a different Linux distribution, and would like some input from the LyX list participants. Currently I am running Mandrake 8.0, with a number of patches and updates installed. I have not gone to 8.1 for reasons that there is an issue with devfs, which at this point, Mandrake only has a work-around for, and not a fix. Given that devfs was one of the primary reasons to consider upgrading, I decided to hold off. That has given me the opportunity to consider looking at a different distribution. So far, there are two distributions I have considered: SuSE and Debian. I have used SuSE in the past, and remember to be a very well thought out distribution. I have never used Debian, but am constantly hearing good things about it, so I have become curious. The only distributions I have ruled out (at least for now) are RedHat and Caldera. I have RedHat at work, and don't like working with it. Not to mention the issues with their choice of compiler versions to ship with the distro. As for Caldera - well, do I need to say anything else? :) So, this is how it stands: - Madrake 8.1 (Wait for a devfs fix) - SuSE 7.x - Debian Are there any other distributions I should consider? Why should I consider them in comparison to the three listed above? More to the point, is there a distribution that stands out as being head and shoulders above the rest where LyX and it's associated tools are concerned? That is: better distribution of tex, sgml / uml / xml tools, better set of external tools (viewers, etc.)? Do you compile LyX on your distro of choice? Did you need to update any libraries, or pass in special parameters to get it to compile? Any other conisderations in this area? What are the developers using? Is there any one distribution that they favor overall? Please understand, LyX is a mission critical tool for me. It only makes sense that any consideration I make towards changing distributions would be on the basis of there being a better environment for this tool. Thanks for your time! // George
OT: Where to ask?
Okay, I'm in the process of trying to get the cvs to compile and install on my system. So, the question is: where should I ask questions relating to making / updating cvs versions? Realize that I am a relative newbie at getting a cvs version and compiling / installing it. (Oddly enough, I am pretty certain I know the answer to the first issue that I have run into... However, I am sure there are likely to be others that I won't know the answer to...) // George
OT: Where to ask?
Okay, I'm in the process of trying to get the cvs to compile and install on my system. So, the question is: where should I ask questions relating to making / updating cvs versions? Realize that I am a relative newbie at getting a cvs version and compiling / installing it. (Oddly enough, I am pretty certain I know the answer to the first issue that I have run into... However, I am sure there are likely to be others that I won't know the answer to...) // George
OT: Where to ask?
Okay, I'm in the process of trying to get the cvs to compile and install on my system. So, the question is: where should I ask questions relating to making / updating cvs versions? Realize that I am a relative newbie at getting a cvs version and compiling / installing it. (Oddly enough, I am pretty certain I know the answer to the first issue that I have run into... However, I am sure there are likely to be others that I won't know the answer to...) // George
Open Source IT Newsletter
The coming up section from the Open Source IT Newsletter: COMING UP: * .comment with Dennis Powell * Linux From Scratch * Word to the Wise: LyX: The Document Processor - I can't wait to read Brian's review! // George
Open Source IT Newsletter
The coming up section from the Open Source IT Newsletter: COMING UP: * .comment with Dennis Powell * Linux From Scratch * Word to the Wise: LyX: The Document Processor - I can't wait to read Brian's review! // George
Open Source IT Newsletter
The coming up section from the Open Source IT Newsletter: COMING UP: * .comment with Dennis Powell * Linux From Scratch * Word to the Wise: LyX: The Document Processor - I can't wait to read Brian's review! // George
Re: mlbibtex
On Saturday 27 October 2001 17:15, Matej Cepl wrote: Has anybody seen this animal in action? What is experience with it? Hadn't even heard of it However a quick Google search turned up a short article (but no actual implementation): http://www.ntg.nl/eurotex/abstracts.html#hufflen // George
Re: mlbibtex
On Saturday 27 October 2001 17:15, Matej Cepl wrote: Has anybody seen this animal in action? What is experience with it? Hadn't even heard of it However a quick Google search turned up a short article (but no actual implementation): http://www.ntg.nl/eurotex/abstracts.html#hufflen // George
Re: mlbibtex
On Saturday 27 October 2001 17:15, Matej Cepl wrote: > Has anybody seen this animal in action? What is experience with it? Hadn't even heard of it However a quick Google search turned up a short article (but no actual implementation): http://www.ntg.nl/eurotex/abstracts.html#hufflen // George
Okay, now this is an addiction....
Okay, If some of you hadn't noticed: I've had a fairly lengthy absence from the mailing list. In fact, with only a short reprise at the beginning of September, I hadn't been on the list since last June. (I won't go into details, but some very chaotic problems / changes / etc. occured in my life that precluded my participation here...) So, I wonder if the following tidbit sets any kind of a record: I saved all of the mail from the list since last June. I have spent the last two weeks reading all of it - approximately 3,000 email messages. I think this counts as an addiction. :) If not, maybe after I finish reading the other lists it will count as an addiction...:) // George
Okay, now this is an addiction....
Okay, If some of you hadn't noticed: I've had a fairly lengthy absence from the mailing list. In fact, with only a short reprise at the beginning of September, I hadn't been on the list since last June. (I won't go into details, but some very chaotic problems / changes / etc. occured in my life that precluded my participation here...) So, I wonder if the following tidbit sets any kind of a record: I saved all of the mail from the list since last June. I have spent the last two weeks reading all of it - approximately 3,000 email messages. I think this counts as an addiction. :) If not, maybe after I finish reading the other lists it will count as an addiction...:) // George
Okay, now this is an addiction....
Okay, If some of you hadn't noticed: I've had a fairly lengthy absence from the mailing list. In fact, with only a short reprise at the beginning of September, I hadn't been on the list since last June. (I won't go into details, but some very chaotic problems / changes / etc. occured in my life that precluded my participation here...) So, I wonder if the following tidbit sets any kind of a record: I saved all of the mail from the list since last June. I have spent the last two weeks reading all of it - approximately 3,000 email messages. I think this counts as an addiction. :) If not, maybe after I finish reading the other lists it will count as an addiction...:) // George
Re: LyX-Palm Document Exchange....
On Sunday 09 September 2001 13:10, Nicholas Piper wrote: I got QuickWord free with my HandEra. It isn't as comprehensive as WordSmith, but my LyX/Palm system only calls for a very basic editor. I wanted something more comprehensive as I am going to be doing a lot more work with the machine on the road. Basically, I am treating this as a laptop instead of getting a laptop. I know, may be a bit strange to do something like that, but the power and functionality for what I need is there, and the expense is significantly less. So, it seem(s) appropriate to me. I use the normal doc format. I convert with txt2pdbdoc, but you can use anything. There are loads of answers to txt - doc. Yeah, I thought WordSmith was using JDoc, but as it turns out, it is using the normal doc format. I use CVS. I keep a CVS respository, and checkout once for LyX to edit, and once for the palm. I use txt2pdbdoc to convert the .lyx file from one checkout, and then the same program to convert it back to text (.lyx) and copy it over the existing version when I'm done editing on the palm. CVS will merge things by itself. Yeah, I was thinking about doing something with CVS, but hadn't thought it all the way through yet. Glad to see that I am on the right track there. I'm going to write some helper apps when I need them, for now I just have Makefile rules to help a little with the conversions. Makefile's would be a good way to handle the conversion for now. But, I think having a set of tools, or better a wrapper application for this might be more useful. Should be something that even I could work on once I have the right tools in place. Note that this system gives a rather messy internal file on the palm, with all the LyX commands and stuff in. It's not so bad though, it means you can use all the LyX features if you hunt around in the file for a place you used it before and copy the syntax :-) That is the problem that I was trying to get around. When I am writing, I don't really want to have all of the codes being displayed, that's the reason that I use LyX for writing, instead of using a TeX or LaTeX front end with emacs or vi. I don't use it to change major parts of the file, only to add things or make adjustments to the content; leaving the formatting pretty much alone until I get back home. This is the other part for me. I work on _lots_ of documents, and make heavy edits to them on a very frequent basis... That can mean chaning the structure, or formatting, etc. Or, even more so, I end up creating a lot of documents. So, the more transparent the markup is, the better for me. I was thinking that I can keep pretty easily to a standard template, just enough to mark headings and outlines, that's the major stuff that I need. I don't need to do diagrams, floats or tables (well, maybe an occasional table). As I look more at things here, it seems that WordSmith uses RTF for it's conversion layer. That means that with the right interface from LyX to RTF it should be possible to have a template that preserves the structural formatting. That would make it much easier to convert back and forth between LyX and WordSmith. There are quite a few tools that do things like SGML-RTF conversion, and other formats. Will just have to investigate them some more. But, I really, really, like the idea of using CVS to manage the files. The major trick then remains to move from CVS-WordSmith and back. Question: what software are you using to sync your HandEra under Linux? I've been trying to use KPilot, but it's been a pain (doable, but a real pain). Thanks for the input! // George
Re: LyX-Palm Document Exchange....
On Sunday 09 September 2001 13:10, Nicholas Piper wrote: I got QuickWord free with my HandEra. It isn't as comprehensive as WordSmith, but my LyX/Palm system only calls for a very basic editor. I wanted something more comprehensive as I am going to be doing a lot more work with the machine on the road. Basically, I am treating this as a laptop instead of getting a laptop. I know, may be a bit strange to do something like that, but the power and functionality for what I need is there, and the expense is significantly less. So, it seem(s) appropriate to me. I use the normal doc format. I convert with txt2pdbdoc, but you can use anything. There are loads of answers to txt - doc. Yeah, I thought WordSmith was using JDoc, but as it turns out, it is using the normal doc format. I use CVS. I keep a CVS respository, and checkout once for LyX to edit, and once for the palm. I use txt2pdbdoc to convert the .lyx file from one checkout, and then the same program to convert it back to text (.lyx) and copy it over the existing version when I'm done editing on the palm. CVS will merge things by itself. Yeah, I was thinking about doing something with CVS, but hadn't thought it all the way through yet. Glad to see that I am on the right track there. I'm going to write some helper apps when I need them, for now I just have Makefile rules to help a little with the conversions. Makefile's would be a good way to handle the conversion for now. But, I think having a set of tools, or better a wrapper application for this might be more useful. Should be something that even I could work on once I have the right tools in place. Note that this system gives a rather messy internal file on the palm, with all the LyX commands and stuff in. It's not so bad though, it means you can use all the LyX features if you hunt around in the file for a place you used it before and copy the syntax :-) That is the problem that I was trying to get around. When I am writing, I don't really want to have all of the codes being displayed, that's the reason that I use LyX for writing, instead of using a TeX or LaTeX front end with emacs or vi. I don't use it to change major parts of the file, only to add things or make adjustments to the content; leaving the formatting pretty much alone until I get back home. This is the other part for me. I work on _lots_ of documents, and make heavy edits to them on a very frequent basis... That can mean chaning the structure, or formatting, etc. Or, even more so, I end up creating a lot of documents. So, the more transparent the markup is, the better for me. I was thinking that I can keep pretty easily to a standard template, just enough to mark headings and outlines, that's the major stuff that I need. I don't need to do diagrams, floats or tables (well, maybe an occasional table). As I look more at things here, it seems that WordSmith uses RTF for it's conversion layer. That means that with the right interface from LyX to RTF it should be possible to have a template that preserves the structural formatting. That would make it much easier to convert back and forth between LyX and WordSmith. There are quite a few tools that do things like SGML-RTF conversion, and other formats. Will just have to investigate them some more. But, I really, really, like the idea of using CVS to manage the files. The major trick then remains to move from CVS-WordSmith and back. Question: what software are you using to sync your HandEra under Linux? I've been trying to use KPilot, but it's been a pain (doable, but a real pain). Thanks for the input! // George
Re: LyX<->Palm Document Exchange....
On Sunday 09 September 2001 13:10, Nicholas Piper wrote: > I got QuickWord free with my HandEra. It isn't as comprehensive as > WordSmith, but my LyX/Palm system only calls for a very basic editor. I wanted something more comprehensive as I am going to be doing a lot more work with the machine on the road. Basically, I am treating this as a laptop instead of getting a laptop. I know, may be a bit strange to do something like that, but the power and functionality for what I need is there, and the expense is significantly less. So, it seem(s) appropriate to me. > I use the normal "doc" format. I convert with txt2pdbdoc, but you can > use anything. There are loads of answers to txt <-> doc. Yeah, I thought WordSmith was using JDoc, but as it turns out, it is using the normal doc format. > I use CVS. I keep a CVS respository, and checkout once for LyX to > edit, and once for the palm. I use txt2pdbdoc to convert the .lyx file > from one checkout, and then the same program to convert it back to > text (.lyx) and copy it over the existing version when I'm done > editing on the palm. CVS will merge things by itself. Yeah, I was thinking about doing something with CVS, but hadn't thought it all the way through yet. Glad to see that I am on the right track there. > I'm going to write some helper apps when I need them, for now I just > have Makefile rules to help a little with the conversions. Makefile's would be a good way to handle the conversion for now. But, I think having a set of tools, or better a "wrapper" application for this might be more useful. Should be something that even I could work on once I have the right tools in place. > Note that this system gives a rather messy "internal" file on the > palm, with all the LyX commands and stuff in. It's not so bad though, > it means you can use all the LyX features if you hunt around in the > file for a place you used it before and copy the syntax :-) That is the problem that I was trying to get around. When I am writing, I don't really want to have all of the codes being displayed, that's the reason that I use LyX for writing, instead of using a TeX or LaTeX front end with emacs or vi. > I don't use it to change major parts of the file, only to add things > or make adjustments to the content; leaving the formatting pretty much > alone until I get back home. This is the other part for me. I work on _lots_ of documents, and make heavy edits to them on a very frequent basis... That can mean chaning the structure, or formatting, etc. Or, even more so, I end up creating a lot of documents. So, the more transparent the markup is, the better for me. I was thinking that I can keep pretty easily to a standard template, just enough to mark headings and outlines, that's the major stuff that I need. I don't need to do diagrams, floats or tables (well, maybe an occasional table). As I look more at things here, it seems that WordSmith uses RTF for it's conversion layer. That means that with the right interface from LyX to RTF it should be possible to have a template that preserves the structural formatting. That would make it much easier to convert back and forth between LyX and WordSmith. There are quite a few tools that do things like SGML<->RTF conversion, and other formats. Will just have to investigate them some more. But, I really, really, like the idea of using CVS to manage the files. The major trick then remains to move from CVS->WordSmith and back. Question: what software are you using to sync your HandEra under Linux? I've been trying to use KPilot, but it's been a pain (doable, but a real pain). Thanks for the input! // George
LyX-Palm Document Exchange....
I just purchased a Handspring Visor Deluxe Stowaway keyboard with the intention of using the system for writing. I know the document / database format for the Palm is substantially different from those used on any other system, however I recall seeing tools that can transfer several different document formats into documents that can be read / edited on the Palm. So, my plan(s) are to do something like this: - Get a word processor for the Palm (so far, WordSmith looks like the best one) - Get a major RAM upgrade (I going to put 128meg on the Palm - should be more than adequate for anything that I need). Now, given these intentions, the question arises: how am I going to exchange documents with LyX? I know there are tools for generating JDoc files that run under Linux, and that will allow me to get the documents into the word processor on the Palm. However, getting these tools is only half the battle. The following question(s) remain: - Has any one found a good way to transfer LyX documents into a format that can be compiled into JDoc? - Has anyone looked at a good way to difference / merge the documents after they are transferred back from the Palm machine? - Has anyone looked at a way to integrate the tools for exchanging the documents into LyX? (I assume a set of shell, perl, or Python scripts could be used to automate the whole process.) I would appreciate any feedback anyone may have on this. Thanks! // George
LyX-Palm Document Exchange....
I just purchased a Handspring Visor Deluxe Stowaway keyboard with the intention of using the system for writing. I know the document / database format for the Palm is substantially different from those used on any other system, however I recall seeing tools that can transfer several different document formats into documents that can be read / edited on the Palm. So, my plan(s) are to do something like this: - Get a word processor for the Palm (so far, WordSmith looks like the best one) - Get a major RAM upgrade (I going to put 128meg on the Palm - should be more than adequate for anything that I need). Now, given these intentions, the question arises: how am I going to exchange documents with LyX? I know there are tools for generating JDoc files that run under Linux, and that will allow me to get the documents into the word processor on the Palm. However, getting these tools is only half the battle. The following question(s) remain: - Has any one found a good way to transfer LyX documents into a format that can be compiled into JDoc? - Has anyone looked at a good way to difference / merge the documents after they are transferred back from the Palm machine? - Has anyone looked at a way to integrate the tools for exchanging the documents into LyX? (I assume a set of shell, perl, or Python scripts could be used to automate the whole process.) I would appreciate any feedback anyone may have on this. Thanks! // George
LyX<->Palm Document Exchange....
I just purchased a Handspring Visor Deluxe & Stowaway keyboard with the intention of using the system for writing. I know the document / database format for the Palm is substantially different from those used on any other system, however I recall seeing tools that can transfer several different document formats into documents that can be read / edited on the Palm. So, my plan(s) are to do something like this: - Get a word processor for the Palm (so far, WordSmith looks like the best one) - Get a major RAM upgrade (I going to put 128meg on the Palm - should be more than adequate for anything that I need). Now, given these intentions, the question arises: how am I going to exchange documents with LyX? I know there are tools for generating JDoc files that run under Linux, and that will allow me to get the documents into the word processor on the Palm. However, getting these tools is only half the battle. The following question(s) remain: - Has any one found a good way to transfer LyX documents into a format that can be compiled into JDoc? - Has anyone looked at a good way to difference / merge the documents after they are transferred back from the Palm machine? - Has anyone looked at a way to integrate the tools for exchanging the documents into LyX? (I assume a set of shell, perl, or Python scripts could be used to automate the whole process.) I would appreciate any feedback anyone may have on this. Thanks! // George
Re: Enumerated Lists / Comments
On Thursday 07 June 2001 10:28, Dekel Tsur wrote: You just need to nest the comment into the enumerate by either pressing the Change Env. depth icon in the toolbar, or by pressing M-p left smacking forehead - Doh! Thanks Dekel and Jean-Marc... That fixed it. I should have thought of that -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Enumerated Lists / Comments
On Thursday 07 June 2001 10:28, Dekel Tsur wrote: You just need to nest the comment into the enumerate by either pressing the Change Env. depth icon in the toolbar, or by pressing M-p left smacking forehead - Doh! Thanks Dekel and Jean-Marc... That fixed it. I should have thought of that -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Enumerated Lists / Comments
On Thursday 07 June 2001 10:28, Dekel Tsur wrote: > You just need to nest the comment into the enumerate by either pressing the > "Change Env. depth" icon in the toolbar, or by pressing M-p Thanks Dekel and Jean-Marc... That fixed it. I should have thought of that -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Enumerated Lists / Comments
Hello, I have LyX 1.1.6Fix2 installed on my Linux Mandrake 7.2 system (thanks toGerman Poo C. for his RPM), and noticed a behavior that is slightly odd, IMO. A similar behavior has been mentioned recently, but this one surprised me a little bit... I was working in an enumerated list, and needed to insert a place mark where I stopped editing. So, below the item that I had just finished, I inserted a comment paragraph. I noticed that the numbering in my enumerated list was reset by this addition. I am slightly surprised by this... I didn't think that a comment would reset the numbering for the list. Is this a glitch? Should it be this way? It's not really going to affect me in the long run -- the comment will be removed when I am done editing. However, it does make things a little odd if I needed to produce a copy while I was in the middle of editing because the re-numbering does show up in the output. (Even though the comment does not show up.) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Enumerated Lists / Comments
Hello, I have LyX 1.1.6Fix2 installed on my Linux Mandrake 7.2 system (thanks toGerman Poo C. for his RPM), and noticed a behavior that is slightly odd, IMO. A similar behavior has been mentioned recently, but this one surprised me a little bit... I was working in an enumerated list, and needed to insert a place mark where I stopped editing. So, below the item that I had just finished, I inserted a comment paragraph. I noticed that the numbering in my enumerated list was reset by this addition. I am slightly surprised by this... I didn't think that a comment would reset the numbering for the list. Is this a glitch? Should it be this way? It's not really going to affect me in the long run -- the comment will be removed when I am done editing. However, it does make things a little odd if I needed to produce a copy while I was in the middle of editing because the re-numbering does show up in the output. (Even though the comment does not show up.) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Enumerated Lists / Comments
Hello, I have LyX 1.1.6Fix2 installed on my Linux Mandrake 7.2 system (thanks toGerman Poo C. for his RPM), and noticed a behavior that is slightly odd, IMO. A similar behavior has been mentioned recently, but this one surprised me a little bit... I was working in an enumerated list, and needed to insert a place mark where I stopped editing. So, below the item that I had just finished, I inserted a comment paragraph. I noticed that the numbering in my enumerated list was reset by this addition. I am slightly surprised by this... I didn't think that a comment would reset the numbering for the list. Is this a glitch? Should it be this way? It's not really going to affect me in the long run -- the comment will be removed when I am done editing. However, it does make things a little odd if I needed to produce a copy while I was in the middle of editing because the re-numbering does show up in the output. (Even though the comment does not show up.) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
Okay, I sat back for a bit on this. I didn't want to flood you while you were studying Baruch... On Sunday 27 May 2001 01:21, Baruch Even wrote: I understand what you say, but you need to understand the side of the developers too. Baruch, I assure you, I understand the developer's side better than you might know: I have been there. If we do not decide that a single language is the official language than any feature that is moved to the scripting languages needs to be maintained in several languages, that's too much work for us to do. This is precisely where your logic fails, Baruch. You are assuming limited resources of the team. Why not require someone to specifically maintain each language supported by LyX? Make it a pre-requisite for including a language in LyX's scripting support. That way, the team isn't burdened with supporting each of the scripting languages. Obviously, it is possible that some X language hacker will step up and maintain a second language. We have that with GUII, but we still have the XForms GUI as the officially sanctioned GUI. And maintaining several I think the GUI and the scripting languages are _very_ different situations from what I understand of things. LyX was very much written around it's GUI initially, which has made it extremely difficult for implementing different GUI interfaces. Enough so that there was some talk that LyX was going to be restructured to be GUI independent... A project that seems to have been stalled. And, it is *highly* desirable. Just watch the KLyX mailing list... While not a high volume, it still is getting regular posts. This indicates that there is still interest in have GUI's for each environment. I think this interest could easily be turned to support. I believe this also holds true of scripting language support. This message gets too long and I have a Real Analysis test to learn for. I held off on responding to this for a while... But, I hope with your studies completed (at least temporarily) that you had the time to re-read that message. If you haven't I would ask you to (assuming that your studies are done for a time), the points and problems I point out there are extremely significant in this situation. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Monday 28 May 2001 03:34, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: George De Bruin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Now, I see from a development point where it will be necessary to focus | on one or two languages for the initial implementation / testing. But, | as soon as that is done I think the support should be expanded to at | least six or more languages to avoid any perception of bias. Perfect way to split development effort and get nothing done... Lars, I don't see it this way. Part of the reason is that I don't stay within the box of looking at the development, or the development team as being static. If the resources of the team were limited to the current group, I would say you were correct. However, as I mentioned in my message to Baruch (which I've just posted), why not make it a prerequisite that for each language implemented there be someone (preferably outside the core development team) to implement and maintain each language. Even: | This is the same as the concept of GUI independence. I do not quite agree, as said the scripting language would be used to implement _core_ functionality in LyX. Okay, I understand your point here. However, think of this from the users side: what do they see when they start LyX: the GUI. To the average user, the GUI is the program. IMO there should be _one_ official scripting language that would need to have to be able to run lyx. The scripting language would preferably we distributed with LyX. _If_ someone would then like to use a different language with LyX that could easily be done by having a module for the official scripting language. We get to disagree on this one. :) If we go with one language, then we run into the current perception that is true with the GUI. As it stands now (especially when you look at the website) LyX looks as if it is biased towards using XForms, and that very little work is being done on the GUI independence. Add to that the responses on the KLyX mailing list to inquiries about it's functions (ie, use LyX instead) and you compound this impression. You and I may know that isn't the case, but what else is a user going to think? btw If we are not going to use the scripting language for _core_ functions, then we can just do with the lyx server as it is now. I'd say as a starting point it would be a good idea to allow the LyX server commands to be exported to a library that can be used in scripting languages. But eventually, it needs to include some way of querying and setting internal states in LyX. (Just my opinion...:) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Languages (was Re: sorting tables?)
On Tuesday 29 May 2001 23:46, Allan Rae wrote: FWIW, a number of Python folk are interested in LyX -- both for personal use (with python.cls etc.) and as a possible unofficial documenting tool. Their official documenting tools are a couple of scripts and any text editor and they aren't about to change that in a hurry. I know a couple of people in particular who are Python gurus (one's a Python Team member) who would love to get their hands dirty in LyX (with Python of course). This would appear to support the idea I was putting forth: for each language, we should have someone (or multiple people) interested in doing the support of that langauge within LyX. That way we (a) gain their expertise, and (b) we don't dilute the development efforts of the LyX Team. Anyway, past discussions have usually ended up with Python as best because it's readable/writable even for newbies. Scheme/Lisp usually dropped as a bad idea because no-one cares to type all the ()'s and Perl as a possible second language. Would it be such a big deal if someone actually wanted to do it (ie, support Scheme/Lisp)? Assuming that we make the space for them to work available, then we could share in knowledge, and gain from having more languages available. And, this would probably work well for those interested in having Lua support as well -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
Okay, I sat back for a bit on this. I didn't want to flood you while you were studying Baruch... On Sunday 27 May 2001 01:21, Baruch Even wrote: I understand what you say, but you need to understand the side of the developers too. Baruch, I assure you, I understand the developer's side better than you might know: I have been there. If we do not decide that a single language is the official language than any feature that is moved to the scripting languages needs to be maintained in several languages, that's too much work for us to do. This is precisely where your logic fails, Baruch. You are assuming limited resources of the team. Why not require someone to specifically maintain each language supported by LyX? Make it a pre-requisite for including a language in LyX's scripting support. That way, the team isn't burdened with supporting each of the scripting languages. Obviously, it is possible that some X language hacker will step up and maintain a second language. We have that with GUII, but we still have the XForms GUI as the officially sanctioned GUI. And maintaining several I think the GUI and the scripting languages are _very_ different situations from what I understand of things. LyX was very much written around it's GUI initially, which has made it extremely difficult for implementing different GUI interfaces. Enough so that there was some talk that LyX was going to be restructured to be GUI independent... A project that seems to have been stalled. And, it is *highly* desirable. Just watch the KLyX mailing list... While not a high volume, it still is getting regular posts. This indicates that there is still interest in have GUI's for each environment. I think this interest could easily be turned to support. I believe this also holds true of scripting language support. This message gets too long and I have a Real Analysis test to learn for. I held off on responding to this for a while... But, I hope with your studies completed (at least temporarily) that you had the time to re-read that message. If you haven't I would ask you to (assuming that your studies are done for a time), the points and problems I point out there are extremely significant in this situation. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Monday 28 May 2001 03:34, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: George De Bruin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | Now, I see from a development point where it will be necessary to focus | on one or two languages for the initial implementation / testing. But, | as soon as that is done I think the support should be expanded to at | least six or more languages to avoid any perception of bias. Perfect way to split development effort and get nothing done... Lars, I don't see it this way. Part of the reason is that I don't stay within the box of looking at the development, or the development team as being static. If the resources of the team were limited to the current group, I would say you were correct. However, as I mentioned in my message to Baruch (which I've just posted), why not make it a prerequisite that for each language implemented there be someone (preferably outside the core development team) to implement and maintain each language. Even: | This is the same as the concept of GUI independence. I do not quite agree, as said the scripting language would be used to implement _core_ functionality in LyX. Okay, I understand your point here. However, think of this from the users side: what do they see when they start LyX: the GUI. To the average user, the GUI is the program. IMO there should be _one_ official scripting language that would need to have to be able to run lyx. The scripting language would preferably we distributed with LyX. _If_ someone would then like to use a different language with LyX that could easily be done by having a module for the official scripting language. We get to disagree on this one. :) If we go with one language, then we run into the current perception that is true with the GUI. As it stands now (especially when you look at the website) LyX looks as if it is biased towards using XForms, and that very little work is being done on the GUI independence. Add to that the responses on the KLyX mailing list to inquiries about it's functions (ie, use LyX instead) and you compound this impression. You and I may know that isn't the case, but what else is a user going to think? btw If we are not going to use the scripting language for _core_ functions, then we can just do with the lyx server as it is now. I'd say as a starting point it would be a good idea to allow the LyX server commands to be exported to a library that can be used in scripting languages. But eventually, it needs to include some way of querying and setting internal states in LyX. (Just my opinion...:) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Languages (was Re: sorting tables?)
On Tuesday 29 May 2001 23:46, Allan Rae wrote: FWIW, a number of Python folk are interested in LyX -- both for personal use (with python.cls etc.) and as a possible unofficial documenting tool. Their official documenting tools are a couple of scripts and any text editor and they aren't about to change that in a hurry. I know a couple of people in particular who are Python gurus (one's a Python Team member) who would love to get their hands dirty in LyX (with Python of course). This would appear to support the idea I was putting forth: for each language, we should have someone (or multiple people) interested in doing the support of that langauge within LyX. That way we (a) gain their expertise, and (b) we don't dilute the development efforts of the LyX Team. Anyway, past discussions have usually ended up with Python as best because it's readable/writable even for newbies. Scheme/Lisp usually dropped as a bad idea because no-one cares to type all the ()'s and Perl as a possible second language. Would it be such a big deal if someone actually wanted to do it (ie, support Scheme/Lisp)? Assuming that we make the space for them to work available, then we could share in knowledge, and gain from having more languages available. And, this would probably work well for those interested in having Lua support as well -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
Okay, I sat back for a bit on this. I didn't want to flood you while you were studying Baruch... On Sunday 27 May 2001 01:21, Baruch Even wrote: > I understand what you say, but you need to understand the side of the > developers too. Baruch, I assure you, I understand the developer's side better than you might know: I have been there. > If we do not decide that a single language is the > official language than any feature that is moved to the scripting > languages needs to be maintained in several languages, that's too much > work for us to do. This is precisely where your logic fails, Baruch. You are assuming limited resources of the team. Why not require someone to specifically maintain each language supported by LyX? Make it a pre-requisite for including a language in LyX's scripting support. That way, the team isn't burdened with supporting each of the scripting languages. > Obviously, it is possible that some X language hacker will step up and > maintain a second language. We have that with GUII, but we still have > the XForms GUI as the officially sanctioned GUI. And maintaining several I think the GUI and the scripting languages are _very_ different situations from what I understand of things. LyX was very much written around it's GUI initially, which has made it extremely difficult for implementing different GUI interfaces. Enough so that there was some talk that LyX was going to be restructured to be GUI independent... A project that seems to have been stalled. And, it is *highly* desirable. Just watch the KLyX mailing list... While not a high volume, it still is getting regular posts. This indicates that there is still interest in have GUI's for each environment. I think this interest could easily be turned to support. I believe this also holds true of scripting language support. > This message gets too long and I have a Real Analysis test to learn for. I held off on responding to this for a while... But, I hope with your studies completed (at least temporarily) that you had the time to re-read that message. If you haven't I would ask you to (assuming that your studies are done for a time), the points and problems I point out there are extremely significant in this situation. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Monday 28 May 2001 03:34, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > George De Bruin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | Now, I see from a development point where it will be necessary to focus > | on one or two languages for the initial implementation / testing. But, > | as soon as that is done I think the support should be expanded to at > | least six or more languages to avoid any perception of bias. > > Perfect way to split development effort and get nothing done... Lars, I don't see it this way. Part of the reason is that I don't stay within the box of looking at the development, or the development team as being static. If the resources of the team were limited to the current group, I would say you were correct. However, as I mentioned in my message to Baruch (which I've just posted), why not make it a prerequisite that for each language implemented there be someone (preferably outside the core development team) to implement and maintain each language. > Even: > | This is the same as the concept of GUI independence. > > I do not quite agree, as said the scripting language would be used to > implement _core_ functionality in LyX. Okay, I understand your point here. However, think of this from the users side: what do they see when they start LyX: the GUI. To the average user, the GUI is the program. > IMO there should be _one_ > official scripting language that would need to have to be able to run > lyx. The scripting language would preferably we distributed with LyX. > _If_ someone would then like to use a different language with LyX that > could easily be done by having a module for the official scripting > language. We get to disagree on this one. :) If we go with one language, then we run into the current perception that is true with the GUI. As it stands now (especially when you look at the website) LyX looks as if it is biased towards using XForms, and that very little work is being done on the GUI independence. Add to that the responses on the KLyX mailing list to inquiries about it's functions (ie, use LyX instead) and you compound this impression. You and I may know that isn't the case, but what else is a user going to think? > btw If we are not going to use the scripting language for _core_ > functions, then we can just do with the lyx server as it is now. I'd say as a starting point it would be a good idea to allow the LyX server commands to be exported to a library that can be used in scripting languages. But eventually, it needs to include some way of querying and setting internal states in LyX. (Just my opinion...:) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Languages (was Re: sorting tables?)
On Tuesday 29 May 2001 23:46, Allan Rae wrote: > FWIW, a number of Python folk are interested in LyX -- both for personal > use (with python.cls etc.) and as a possible unofficial documenting tool. > Their official documenting tools are a couple of scripts and any text > editor and they aren't about to change that in a hurry. I know a couple > of people in particular who are Python gurus (one's a Python Team member) > who would love to get their hands dirty in LyX (with Python of course). This would appear to support the idea I was putting forth: for each language, we should have someone (or multiple people) interested in doing the support of that langauge within LyX. That way we (a) gain their expertise, and (b) we don't dilute the development efforts of the LyX Team. > Anyway, past discussions have usually ended up with Python as best because > it's readable/writable even for newbies. Scheme/Lisp usually dropped as a > bad idea because no-one cares to type all the ()'s and Perl as a possible > second language. Would it be such a big deal if someone actually wanted to do it (ie, support Scheme/Lisp)? Assuming that we make the space for them to work available, then we could share in knowledge, and gain from having more languages available. And, this would probably work well for those interested in having Lua support as well -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Languages (was Re: sorting tables?)
On Friday 01 June 2001 05:16, Reuben Thomas wrote: There's also Lua (www.lua.org), which is much smaller than python, rather I just tried to go to this site, but couldn't connect to it...:( -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Languages (was Re: sorting tables?)
On Friday 01 June 2001 05:16, Reuben Thomas wrote: There's also Lua (www.lua.org), which is much smaller than python, rather I just tried to go to this site, but couldn't connect to it...:( -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Languages (was Re: sorting tables?)
On Friday 01 June 2001 05:16, Reuben Thomas wrote: > There's also Lua (www.lua.org), which is much smaller than python, rather I just tried to go to this site, but couldn't connect to it...:( -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Wednesday 23 May 2001 11:17, Baruch Even wrote: To follow up on these comments and enthusiasm (and a developers discussion), what is the language of choice for such an embedded scripting language is from your perspective? Several options that were raised (and I rememeber) include Icon, Lisp, Scheme and Python. Personally, I liked the concept of implementing this to support multiple languages so you could chose your own. (Not only do people have personal preferences, but they may also have existing code bases that they want or need to integrate new code with.) However, if we have to chose just one, my vote would go to Python. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Thursday 24 May 2001 07:01, Joao B. Oliveira wrote: Before choosing a language that will affect our (happy) LyX lives, what requirements are really being made on this language? I The requirements are going to vary on a user by user basis. For example, I see the examples you listed as being important (although, macro expansion is not quite as much a requirement for me as the others). For me personally, the first thing that I can think of right off is the ability to manipulate the buffer that contains a document. And, I would like to be able to manipulate it both as displayed (ie, not reading the internal code / structure of the document), and as stored internally (ie, with the document structure). The reason for this is some scripts I would like to have look at the displayed text (for items like a word count script, or other text manipulation like swapping characters, words, lines...) The reason for looking at the internal structure would be for things like looking at the cvs fields which are stored as comments, or possibly hiding my own information in comments that I can manipulate from a script. So, basically, the way I see it is that we should really look more at what needs to be exported and provide that. Each language should have a way to import the commands and structures that we export. There is another reason that I don't want to limit the language choice: integration with pre-existing code bases. For example, I may already have a set of scripts in perl or python that use php and mysql to dynamically generate web content. If want to use LyX to author some of the information that I am going to put into my online database, I would like to write an interface script that reuses my existing perl or python code as much as possible. (Perl and python are only examples here, you can plug in language 'x' for them.) Other question: what about enlarging (if necessary) the language already used in the minibuffer? It would be nice to have the same language being used twice. Well, personally, I haven't found the language in the mini-buffer to be all that useful at this point. I haven't found a case where I could really use it. However, I think what we are looking at is exporting those commands and functions to whatever language, as well as structures so you can examine/query LyX's current state, etc. I guess the major point is to allow both: tailoring and customizing of the interactive editing environment, as well as providing an interface to the rest of the world. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Saturday 26 May 2001 11:11, Baruch Even wrote: The need is for an Official language not necessarily a single one, but one that is expected to be available in most installations, possibly it will be available out of the box from packages. This is to make it possible to have a library of scripts, and to allow removing things currently implemented in LyX into the official scripting language. And there couldn't be a standard 'library' of scripts in two or three (or more) languages? Then you would just download the one that you want on your system. I guess I just look at this and think anytime you select one official anything you open up the potential for mis-understanding or mis-interpretation. Most people see things that are official as being an endorsement for, or a bias towards the official item. The implementation as I expect it to be, will not force you to use one language over the other, only if you want the official scripts you'll need the official language. There is a need however to make the Okay, for arguments sake (from personal experience) here's the reaction this will get: Why is that? I don't have the official language on my system, and you are telling me that I have to install that language? Mess around with my stable system configuration to add scripting support and get full functionality for an application? Forget it. Another reaction: That language isn't supported at my site. Guess I can't use it at all. Guess I don't get the full functionality of LyX. scripting language easy enough for as many as users as possible so that most of the users will not need to have multiple languages in LyX. Agreed, it needs to be as easy as possible for the user/administrator*. Therefore, we should support the languages the users and administrators are comfortable with. The user/administrator can then download the scripts in the language they are comfortable with / want to administer. Now, I see from a development point where it will be necessary to focus on one or two languages for the initial implementation / testing. But, as soon as that is done I think the support should be expanded to at least six or more languages to avoid any perception of bias. This is the same as the concept of GUI independence. Just my opinion...with a little experience thrown in -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Wednesday 23 May 2001 11:17, Baruch Even wrote: To follow up on these comments and enthusiasm (and a developers discussion), what is the language of choice for such an embedded scripting language is from your perspective? Several options that were raised (and I rememeber) include Icon, Lisp, Scheme and Python. Personally, I liked the concept of implementing this to support multiple languages so you could chose your own. (Not only do people have personal preferences, but they may also have existing code bases that they want or need to integrate new code with.) However, if we have to chose just one, my vote would go to Python. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Thursday 24 May 2001 07:01, Joao B. Oliveira wrote: Before choosing a language that will affect our (happy) LyX lives, what requirements are really being made on this language? I The requirements are going to vary on a user by user basis. For example, I see the examples you listed as being important (although, macro expansion is not quite as much a requirement for me as the others). For me personally, the first thing that I can think of right off is the ability to manipulate the buffer that contains a document. And, I would like to be able to manipulate it both as displayed (ie, not reading the internal code / structure of the document), and as stored internally (ie, with the document structure). The reason for this is some scripts I would like to have look at the displayed text (for items like a word count script, or other text manipulation like swapping characters, words, lines...) The reason for looking at the internal structure would be for things like looking at the cvs fields which are stored as comments, or possibly hiding my own information in comments that I can manipulate from a script. So, basically, the way I see it is that we should really look more at what needs to be exported and provide that. Each language should have a way to import the commands and structures that we export. There is another reason that I don't want to limit the language choice: integration with pre-existing code bases. For example, I may already have a set of scripts in perl or python that use php and mysql to dynamically generate web content. If want to use LyX to author some of the information that I am going to put into my online database, I would like to write an interface script that reuses my existing perl or python code as much as possible. (Perl and python are only examples here, you can plug in language 'x' for them.) Other question: what about enlarging (if necessary) the language already used in the minibuffer? It would be nice to have the same language being used twice. Well, personally, I haven't found the language in the mini-buffer to be all that useful at this point. I haven't found a case where I could really use it. However, I think what we are looking at is exporting those commands and functions to whatever language, as well as structures so you can examine/query LyX's current state, etc. I guess the major point is to allow both: tailoring and customizing of the interactive editing environment, as well as providing an interface to the rest of the world. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Saturday 26 May 2001 11:11, Baruch Even wrote: The need is for an Official language not necessarily a single one, but one that is expected to be available in most installations, possibly it will be available out of the box from packages. This is to make it possible to have a library of scripts, and to allow removing things currently implemented in LyX into the official scripting language. And there couldn't be a standard 'library' of scripts in two or three (or more) languages? Then you would just download the one that you want on your system. I guess I just look at this and think anytime you select one official anything you open up the potential for mis-understanding or mis-interpretation. Most people see things that are official as being an endorsement for, or a bias towards the official item. The implementation as I expect it to be, will not force you to use one language over the other, only if you want the official scripts you'll need the official language. There is a need however to make the Okay, for arguments sake (from personal experience) here's the reaction this will get: Why is that? I don't have the official language on my system, and you are telling me that I have to install that language? Mess around with my stable system configuration to add scripting support and get full functionality for an application? Forget it. Another reaction: That language isn't supported at my site. Guess I can't use it at all. Guess I don't get the full functionality of LyX. scripting language easy enough for as many as users as possible so that most of the users will not need to have multiple languages in LyX. Agreed, it needs to be as easy as possible for the user/administrator*. Therefore, we should support the languages the users and administrators are comfortable with. The user/administrator can then download the scripts in the language they are comfortable with / want to administer. Now, I see from a development point where it will be necessary to focus on one or two languages for the initial implementation / testing. But, as soon as that is done I think the support should be expanded to at least six or more languages to avoid any perception of bias. This is the same as the concept of GUI independence. Just my opinion...with a little experience thrown in -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Wednesday 23 May 2001 11:17, Baruch Even wrote: > To follow up on these comments and enthusiasm (and a developers > discussion), what is the language of choice for such an embedded > scripting language is from your perspective? > > Several options that were raised (and I rememeber) include Icon, > Lisp, Scheme and Python. Personally, I liked the concept of implementing this to support multiple languages so you could chose your own. (Not only do people have personal preferences, but they may also have existing code bases that they want or need to integrate new code with.) However, if we have to chose just one, my vote would go to Python. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Thursday 24 May 2001 07:01, Joao B. Oliveira wrote: > Before choosing a language that will affect our (happy) LyX lives, > what requirements are really being made on this language? I The requirements are going to vary on a user by user basis. For example, I see the examples you listed as being important (although, macro expansion is not quite as much a requirement for me as the others). For me personally, the first thing that I can think of right off is the ability to manipulate the buffer that contains a document. And, I would like to be able to manipulate it both as displayed (ie, not reading the internal code / structure of the document), and as stored internally (ie, with the document structure). The reason for this is some scripts I would like to have look at the displayed text (for items like a word count script, or other text manipulation like swapping characters, words, lines...) The reason for looking at the internal structure would be for things like looking at the cvs fields which are stored as comments, or possibly hiding my own information in comments that I can manipulate from a script. So, basically, the way I see it is that we should really look more at what needs to be exported and provide that. Each language should have a way to import the commands and structures that we export. There is another reason that I don't want to limit the language choice: integration with pre-existing code bases. For example, I may already have a set of scripts in perl or python that use php and mysql to dynamically generate web content. If want to use LyX to author some of the information that I am going to put into my online database, I would like to write an interface script that reuses my existing perl or python code as much as possible. (Perl and python are only examples here, you can plug in language 'x' for them.) > Other question: what about enlarging (if necessary) the language > already used in the minibuffer? It would be nice to have the same > language being used twice. Well, personally, I haven't found the language in the mini-buffer to be all that useful at this point. I haven't found a case where I could really use it. However, I think what we are looking at is exporting those commands and functions to whatever language, as well as structures so you can examine/query LyX's current state, etc. I guess the major point is to allow both: tailoring and customizing of the interactive editing environment, as well as providing an interface to the rest of the world. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Saturday 26 May 2001 11:11, Baruch Even wrote: > The need is for an "Official language" not necessarily a single one, but > one that is expected to be available in most installations, possibly it > will be available out of the box from packages. This is to make it > possible to have a library of scripts, and to allow removing things > currently implemented in LyX into the official scripting language. And there couldn't be a standard 'library' of scripts in two or three (or more) languages? Then you would just download the one that you want on your system. I guess I just look at this and think anytime you select one "official" anything you open up the potential for mis-understanding or mis-interpretation. Most people see things that are "official" as being an endorsement for, or a bias towards the "official" item. > The implementation as I expect it to be, will not force you to use one > language over the other, only if you want the official scripts you'll > need the official language. There is a need however to make the Okay, for arguments sake (from personal experience) here's the reaction this will get: Why is that? I don't have the "official" language on my system, and you are telling me that I have to install that language? Mess around with my stable system configuration to add scripting support and get full functionality for an application? Forget it. Another reaction: That language isn't supported at my site. Guess I can't use it at all. Guess I don't get the full functionality of LyX. > scripting language easy enough for as many as users as possible so that > most of the users will not need to have multiple languages in LyX. Agreed, it needs to be as easy as possible for the "user/administrator*. Therefore, we should support the languages the users and administrators are comfortable with. The user/administrator can then download the scripts in the language they are comfortable with / want to administer. Now, I see from a development point where it will be necessary to focus on one or two languages for the initial implementation / testing. But, as soon as that is done I think the support should be expanded to at least six or more languages to avoid any perception of bias. This is the same as the concept of GUI independence. Just my opinion...with a little experience thrown in -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Wednesday 23 May 2001 04:54, Robin Turner wrote: front-end for 'nix hackers, little features like sortable lists will make a lot of difference. I'm not advocating feature-bloat (if I want that, I can download Star Office!) just a few bits and bobs to make life easier. Of course, this is also something that could be implemented with the integration of a good scripting language in LyX. :) That way, it could also be customized / tailored to the user's specific needs. Okay, just had to get a word in for my favorite LyX wishlist item. :)) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Wednesday 23 May 2001 04:54, Robin Turner wrote: front-end for 'nix hackers, little features like sortable lists will make a lot of difference. I'm not advocating feature-bloat (if I want that, I can download Star Office!) just a few bits and bobs to make life easier. Of course, this is also something that could be implemented with the integration of a good scripting language in LyX. :) That way, it could also be customized / tailored to the user's specific needs. Okay, just had to get a word in for my favorite LyX wishlist item. :)) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: sorting tables?
On Wednesday 23 May 2001 04:54, Robin Turner wrote: > front-end for 'nix hackers, little features like sortable lists will make a > lot of difference. I'm not advocating feature-bloat (if I want that, I can > download Star Office!) just a few bits and bobs to make life easier. Of course, this is also something that could be implemented with the integration of a good scripting language in LyX. :) That way, it could also be customized / tailored to the user's specific needs. Okay, just had to get a word in for my favorite LyX wishlist item. :)) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Master Documents?
On Wednesday 02 May 2001 11:52, Herbert Voss wrote: Go back to the master and execute View-PDF again. The resulting PDF file is not updated. The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents aren't included. also 1.1.6fix1 with 8 include-files, editing the second, saving, switching to master and ctrl-shift-D gives correct dvi. Hi Herb, Hmmm, it's still not working here. More details in my message to Dekel. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Master Documents?
On Thursday 03 May 2001 03:54, Dekel Tsur wrote:
You have found a bug in LyX.
heh I'm a little more convinced of this now. However:
It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
(less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.
This didn't fix the problem.
I'm now up to 9 include files. So, I added the \wlog{} before and after each
of the includes. The first time I did a View-PDF, it worked. However, then
editing the last file and Viewing again, didn't work.
So, I tried just changing the last file to an input, and it worked. Then
changed it back to an include, changed the last file, did a View-PDF and it
worked. (Note the main point is that I only had to change the one file to an
input, whereas before I thought I had to change them all.)
I then repeated this process, making changes to just the 2nd include file,
and toggling the last include in the master to an input. Same result: as
long as I switched between input and include, the changes would appear. But
if I didn't change between input and include, the changes wouldn't appear.
Hmmm. I would be almost willing to speculate that it has something to do
with the master document. But what, exactly, I don't have a clue.
I can add the following: I haven't made any modifications to the preamble (in
any of the documents). All documents are article class. I have made a few
changes to page geometry (ie, mainly the setting the margins to 1 inch),
double spaced, fonts set to pslatex, double sided pages, fancy headers turned
on. These are global settings in my document template.
Quick description of the files:
Master document is short: Title, Author, Table of Contents and include files.
The 1st-3rd include files are longer: 6pgs, 3pgs, 2pgs. Start with section
header.
The 4th-9th include files are short 1 page, start with section header.
If you'd like, I can tar up the files and send them to you. Shouldn't be all
that large. (The whole contents of the directory is about 76K right now - but
it will get a bit larger as I add to it...:), and that includes backup
files...)
--
George J. De Bruin
Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin
0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Master Documents?
On Wednesday 02 May 2001 11:52, Herbert Voss wrote: Go back to the master and execute View-PDF again. The resulting PDF file is not updated. The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents aren't included. also 1.1.6fix1 with 8 include-files, editing the second, saving, switching to master and ctrl-shift-D gives correct dvi. Hi Herb, Hmmm, it's still not working here. More details in my message to Dekel. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Master Documents?
On Thursday 03 May 2001 03:54, Dekel Tsur wrote:
You have found a bug in LyX.
heh I'm a little more convinced of this now. However:
It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
(less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.
This didn't fix the problem.
I'm now up to 9 include files. So, I added the \wlog{} before and after each
of the includes. The first time I did a View-PDF, it worked. However, then
editing the last file and Viewing again, didn't work.
So, I tried just changing the last file to an input, and it worked. Then
changed it back to an include, changed the last file, did a View-PDF and it
worked. (Note the main point is that I only had to change the one file to an
input, whereas before I thought I had to change them all.)
I then repeated this process, making changes to just the 2nd include file,
and toggling the last include in the master to an input. Same result: as
long as I switched between input and include, the changes would appear. But
if I didn't change between input and include, the changes wouldn't appear.
Hmmm. I would be almost willing to speculate that it has something to do
with the master document. But what, exactly, I don't have a clue.
I can add the following: I haven't made any modifications to the preamble (in
any of the documents). All documents are article class. I have made a few
changes to page geometry (ie, mainly the setting the margins to 1 inch),
double spaced, fonts set to pslatex, double sided pages, fancy headers turned
on. These are global settings in my document template.
Quick description of the files:
Master document is short: Title, Author, Table of Contents and include files.
The 1st-3rd include files are longer: 6pgs, 3pgs, 2pgs. Start with section
header.
The 4th-9th include files are short 1 page, start with section header.
If you'd like, I can tar up the files and send them to you. Shouldn't be all
that large. (The whole contents of the directory is about 76K right now - but
it will get a bit larger as I add to it...:), and that includes backup
files...)
--
George J. De Bruin
Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin
0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Re: Master Documents?
On Wednesday 02 May 2001 11:52, Herbert Voss wrote: > > Go back to the master and execute View->PDF again. The resulting PDF > > file is not updated. The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents > > aren't included. > > also 1.1.6fix1 with 8 include-files, editing the second, saving, > switching to master and ctrl-shift-D gives correct dvi. Hi Herb, Hmmm, it's still not working here. More details in my message to Dekel. -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Master Documents?
On Thursday 03 May 2001 03:54, Dekel Tsur wrote:
> You have found a bug in LyX.
I'm a little more convinced of this now. However:
> It happens since your first (and perhaps second) included files are short
> (less than a page). I'll fix this bug soon, but for the meantime, you can
> add \wlog{} in tex mode after the 1st and 2nd include insets.
This didn't fix the problem.
I'm now up to 9 include files. So, I added the \wlog{} before and after each
of the includes. The first time I did a View->PDF, it worked. However, then
editing the last file and Viewing again, didn't work.
So, I tried just changing the last file to an input, and it worked. Then
changed it back to an include, changed the last file, did a View->PDF and it
worked. (Note the main point is that I only had to change the one file to an
input, whereas before I thought I had to change them all.)
I then repeated this process, making changes to just the 2nd include file,
and toggling the last include in the master to an input. Same result: as
long as I switched between input and include, the changes would appear. But
if I didn't change between input and include, the changes wouldn't appear.
Hmmm. I would be almost willing to speculate that it has something to do
with the master document. But what, exactly, I don't have a clue.
I can add the following: I haven't made any modifications to the preamble (in
any of the documents). All documents are article class. I have made a few
changes to page geometry (ie, mainly the setting the margins to 1 inch),
double spaced, fonts set to pslatex, double sided pages, fancy headers turned
on. These are global settings in my document template.
Quick description of the files:
Master document is short: Title, Author, Table of Contents and include files.
The 1st-3rd include files are longer: 6pgs, 3pgs, 2pgs. Start with section
header.
The 4th-9th include files are short <1 page, start with section header.
If you'd like, I can tar up the files and send them to you. Shouldn't be all
that large. (The whole contents of the directory is about 76K right now - but
it will get a bit larger as I add to it...:), and that includes backup
files...)
--
George J. De Bruin
Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin
0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Master Documents?
I'm using LyX version 1.1.6Fix1. I have a master document that includes three files (I've tried both Article and Book class to see if it made a difference: it didn't). The includes are preceeded by a title, author and TOC. All of the include files are Article class LyX files. In the master document, I execute View-PDF. The PDF file is compiled and displayed. Everything is fine, the table of contents is generated, etc. Then I go ahead and load the 2nd include file, edit it, and save the file. Do the same with the 3rd include file. Go back to the master and execute View-PDF again. The resulting PDF file is not updated. The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents aren't included. This was where I experimented with changing between article and book class on the master document to see if it made a difference: it didn't. The updated files weren't compiled into the PDF file. I should also note here, that all of the files are in the same directory. And the directory doesn't have an spaces in the path: ~/gdb/LinuxDesktop At this point I decided that may I needed to force an update to the PDF file. So, I went ahead and executed View-Update-PDF, then tried View-PDF. Same result, the PDF file wasn't updated with the include file. Now, on a whim, I switched the includes to inputs, then saved the master and did a View-PDF again. This time the output PDF file *was* updated. So, I switched the inputs back to includes and again executed View-PDF, and again the output PDF file was actually updated (and is different from the input version because of the page breaks...). What is going on here? (I have to mention an irony here... The third document in this set is an article about LyX!) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Master Documents?
I'm using LyX version 1.1.6Fix1. I have a master document that includes three files (I've tried both Article and Book class to see if it made a difference: it didn't). The includes are preceeded by a title, author and TOC. All of the include files are Article class LyX files. In the master document, I execute View-PDF. The PDF file is compiled and displayed. Everything is fine, the table of contents is generated, etc. Then I go ahead and load the 2nd include file, edit it, and save the file. Do the same with the 3rd include file. Go back to the master and execute View-PDF again. The resulting PDF file is not updated. The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents aren't included. This was where I experimented with changing between article and book class on the master document to see if it made a difference: it didn't. The updated files weren't compiled into the PDF file. I should also note here, that all of the files are in the same directory. And the directory doesn't have an spaces in the path: ~/gdb/LinuxDesktop At this point I decided that may I needed to force an update to the PDF file. So, I went ahead and executed View-Update-PDF, then tried View-PDF. Same result, the PDF file wasn't updated with the include file. Now, on a whim, I switched the includes to inputs, then saved the master and did a View-PDF again. This time the output PDF file *was* updated. So, I switched the inputs back to includes and again executed View-PDF, and again the output PDF file was actually updated (and is different from the input version because of the page breaks...). What is going on here? (I have to mention an irony here... The third document in this set is an article about LyX!) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording Collection is available now!
Master Documents?
I'm using LyX version 1.1.6Fix1. I have a master document that includes three files (I've tried both Article and Book class to see if it made a difference: it didn't). The includes are preceeded by a title, author and TOC. All of the include files are Article class LyX files. In the master document, I execute View->PDF. The PDF file is compiled and displayed. Everything is fine, the table of contents is generated, etc. Then I go ahead and load the 2nd include file, edit it, and save the file. Do the same with the 3rd include file. Go back to the master and execute View->PDF again. The resulting PDF file is not updated. The changes made to the 2nd and 3rd documents aren't included. This was where I experimented with changing between article and book class on the master document to see if it made a difference: it didn't. The updated files weren't compiled into the PDF file. I should also note here, that all of the files are in the same directory. And the directory doesn't have an spaces in the path: ~/gdb/LinuxDesktop At this point I decided that may I needed to force an update to the PDF file. So, I went ahead and executed View->Update->PDF, then tried View->PDF. Same result, the PDF file wasn't updated with the include file. Now, on a whim, I switched the includes to inputs, then saved the master and did a View->PDF again. This time the output PDF file *was* updated. So, I switched the inputs back to includes and again executed View->PDF, and again the output PDF file was actually updated (and is different from the input version because of the page breaks...). What is going on here? (I have to mention an irony here... The third document in this set is an article about LyX!) -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Where to download teTeX - 1.07
On Sunday 01 April 2001 05:40, Stephen Liu wrote: Thanks for your advice. I found it on the CD finally. But I still could not start LyX after installation. I did following steps; Hi Stephen, Have you gone into DrakConf and started the Package Manager (rpmdrake)? Try looking in the Office folder in there and see if LyX is installed? Check under both the "Installing" and "Uninstalling" options. If it shows up under "Uninstalling", look for /usr/bin/lyx. Hope this helps! -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Where to download teTeX - 1.07
On Sunday 01 April 2001 05:40, Stephen Liu wrote: Thanks for your advice. I found it on the CD finally. But I still could not start LyX after installation. I did following steps; Hi Stephen, Have you gone into DrakConf and started the Package Manager (rpmdrake)? Try looking in the Office folder in there and see if LyX is installed? Check under both the "Installing" and "Uninstalling" options. If it shows up under "Uninstalling", look for /usr/bin/lyx. Hope this helps! -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Where to download teTeX - 1.07
On Sunday 01 April 2001 05:40, Stephen Liu wrote: > Thanks for your advice. I found it on the CD finally. But I still could > not start LyX after installation. I did following steps; Hi Stephen, Have you gone into DrakConf and started the Package Manager (rpmdrake)? Try looking in the Office folder in there and see if LyX is installed? Check under both the "Installing" and "Uninstalling" options. If it shows up under "Uninstalling", look for /usr/bin/lyx. Hope this helps! -- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Where to download teTeX - 1.07
On Saturday 31 March 2001 h:m:s, Stephen Liu wrote: Mandrake 7.2 [...] it required the installation of the file teTex-1.07. Kindly advise from where I can download it. Hi Stephen, It's definitely on the CD's - just need to look more closely I'm running Mandrake 7.2 here - did a full install and got tetex and lyx... --- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Where to download teTeX - 1.07
On Saturday 31 March 2001 h:m:s, Stephen Liu wrote: Mandrake 7.2 [...] it required the installation of the file teTex-1.07. Kindly advise from where I can download it. Hi Stephen, It's definitely on the CD's - just need to look more closely I'm running Mandrake 7.2 here - did a full install and got tetex and lyx... --- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: Where to download teTeX - 1.07
On Saturday 31 March 2001 h:m:s, Stephen Liu wrote: > Mandrake 7.2 [...] > it required the installation of the file teTex-1.07. Kindly advise from > where I can download it. Hi Stephen, It's definitely on the CD's - just need to look more closely I'm running Mandrake 7.2 here - did a full install and got tetex and lyx... --- George J. De Bruin Check Out 0l0rin's New Age compositions at http://mp3.com/0l0rin 0l0rin's latest recording "Collection" is available now!
Re: libforms (see also Help! from Wahyu Nugroho)
On Wednesday 21 March 2001 h:m:s, you wrote: the problem of Wahyu Nugroho is even worse with Mandrake. After eventually finding a LyX rpm for Mandrake, the installation needed xforms, but Mandrake provides no xforms. Therefore I installed one from SuSE. After installing LyX, starting LyX complained about not finding libforms.0.89 although it was on the system. So I tried Murilo Juchem's hint (Re: need quick help). But that didn't help either, because libforms.0.89 was not in /X11/... but in .../X11R6/... . Eventually I got LyX started. This all shows, that LyX itself should find libforms.0.8x. Ummm, sorry for being a bit behind on this one, but what version of Mandrake is being referred to here? If it is Mandrake 7.2 I managed to get it working...without the major procedure listed above. Here's a message that I posted in a newsgroup about getting it working... The message is a bit long winded, but explains the whole process I went through and how I tracked down the problem... If anyone has anything to add, or anything that I did wrong in getting it working, please let me know... --- I think I solved this issue the other night... At least something that worked for me I needed to install the new version of LyX (1.1.6Fix1), which Mandrake has in the cooker. But, when I went to install it, it said that it needed the newer libstdc++, so I downloaded and installed it. However, that started breaking every application left and right. Finally, I was going to uninstall it, so I went out to a console and wanted to run man on rpm... Well, an error popped up stating that it couldn't call libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3. So, I looked in /usr/lib and found the following (note - I chopped off the beginning of the lines to make them format nicely): 24 Mar 4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 - libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3* 30 Mar 4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.a.3 - libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a 31 Mar 4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 - libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so* Well, seeing as there was an entry for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2, and the entry for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 I surmised that a similar link was needed for libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3. So, I created the following link: 31 Mar 4 01:51 libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 - libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so* Now, I probably really should have pointed this to libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 instead of directly to the libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so target, however it did solve the problem. All of my applications are still working, and I have my updated LyX installation (that was sorely needed...), and I haven't seen any problems since creating this link. Now, in case you're wondering: this happened last Saturday, so my system has been up and running for a week with this link installed. Now maybe I can get a little more ambitious and update a few other apps from the Cooker code...(assuming I don't run into any other major dependency problems). --- Now: this has actually been 3 or 4 weeks ago that I went through the original situation. I haven't had any problems since then, so I think I am fairly safe to say that things are working just fine... It sounds like you just need to use the copy of LyX that Mandrake has in the Cooker, assuming that the distro is 7.2. // George
Re: Figure list entries
On Thursday 22 March 2001 h:m:s, Herbert Voss wrote: have a look at http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/~lyx/caption.html#short Is this the right URL, Herb? I tried to pull it up but get a 'Not Found' error message Ahh, I found it: http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/caption.html#short (The extra ~ was throwing things off...) // George
Re: libforms (see also Help! from Wahyu Nugroho)
On Wednesday 21 March 2001 h:m:s, you wrote: the problem of Wahyu Nugroho is even worse with Mandrake. After eventually finding a LyX rpm for Mandrake, the installation needed xforms, but Mandrake provides no xforms. Therefore I installed one from SuSE. After installing LyX, starting LyX complained about not finding libforms.0.89 although it was on the system. So I tried Murilo Juchem's hint (Re: need quick help). But that didn't help either, because libforms.0.89 was not in /X11/... but in .../X11R6/... . Eventually I got LyX started. This all shows, that LyX itself should find libforms.0.8x. Ummm, sorry for being a bit behind on this one, but what version of Mandrake is being referred to here? If it is Mandrake 7.2 I managed to get it working...without the major procedure listed above. Here's a message that I posted in a newsgroup about getting it working... The message is a bit long winded, but explains the whole process I went through and how I tracked down the problem... If anyone has anything to add, or anything that I did wrong in getting it working, please let me know... --- I think I solved this issue the other night... At least something that worked for me I needed to install the new version of LyX (1.1.6Fix1), which Mandrake has in the cooker. But, when I went to install it, it said that it needed the newer libstdc++, so I downloaded and installed it. However, that started breaking every application left and right. Finally, I was going to uninstall it, so I went out to a console and wanted to run man on rpm... Well, an error popped up stating that it couldn't call libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3. So, I looked in /usr/lib and found the following (note - I chopped off the beginning of the lines to make them format nicely): 24 Mar 4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 - libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3* 30 Mar 4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.a.3 - libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a 31 Mar 4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 - libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so* Well, seeing as there was an entry for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2, and the entry for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 I surmised that a similar link was needed for libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3. So, I created the following link: 31 Mar 4 01:51 libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 - libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so* Now, I probably really should have pointed this to libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 instead of directly to the libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so target, however it did solve the problem. All of my applications are still working, and I have my updated LyX installation (that was sorely needed...), and I haven't seen any problems since creating this link. Now, in case you're wondering: this happened last Saturday, so my system has been up and running for a week with this link installed. Now maybe I can get a little more ambitious and update a few other apps from the Cooker code...(assuming I don't run into any other major dependency problems). --- Now: this has actually been 3 or 4 weeks ago that I went through the original situation. I haven't had any problems since then, so I think I am fairly safe to say that things are working just fine... It sounds like you just need to use the copy of LyX that Mandrake has in the Cooker, assuming that the distro is 7.2. // George
Re: Figure list entries
On Thursday 22 March 2001 h:m:s, Herbert Voss wrote: have a look at http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/~lyx/caption.html#short Is this the right URL, Herb? I tried to pull it up but get a 'Not Found' error message Ahh, I found it: http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/caption.html#short (The extra ~ was throwing things off...) // George
Re: libforms (see also Help! from Wahyu Nugroho)
On Wednesday 21 March 2001 h:m:s, you wrote: > the problem of Wahyu Nugroho is even worse with Mandrake. After eventually > finding a LyX rpm for Mandrake, the installation needed xforms, but > Mandrake provides no xforms. Therefore I installed one from SuSE. After > installing LyX, starting LyX complained about not finding libforms.0.89 > although it was on the system. So I tried Murilo Juchem's hint (Re: need > quick help). But that didn't help either, because libforms.0.89 was not in > /X11/... but in .../X11R6/... . Eventually I got LyX started. This all > shows, that LyX itself should find libforms.0.8x. Ummm, sorry for being a bit behind on this one, but what version of Mandrake is being referred to here? If it is Mandrake 7.2 I managed to get it working...without the major procedure listed above. Here's a message that I posted in a newsgroup about getting it working... The message is a bit long winded, but explains the whole process I went through and how I tracked down the problem... If anyone has anything to add, or anything that I did wrong in getting it working, please let me know... --- I think I solved this issue the other night... At least something that worked for me I needed to install the new version of LyX (1.1.6Fix1), which Mandrake has in the cooker. But, when I went to install it, it said that it needed the newer libstdc++, so I downloaded and installed it. However, that started breaking every application left and right. Finally, I was going to uninstall it, so I went out to a console and wanted to run man on rpm... Well, an error popped up stating that it couldn't call libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3. So, I looked in /usr/lib and found the following (note - I chopped off the beginning of the lines to make them format nicely): 24 Mar 4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3* 30 Mar 4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.a.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a 31 Mar 4 01:28 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so* Well, seeing as there was an entry for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2, and the entry for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 I surmised that a similar link was needed for libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3. So, I created the following link: 31 Mar 4 01:51 libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 -> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so* Now, I probably really should have pointed this to libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 instead of directly to the libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so target, however it did solve the problem. All of my applications are still working, and I have my updated LyX installation (that was sorely needed...), and I haven't seen any problems since creating this link. Now, in case you're wondering: this happened last Saturday, so my system has been up and running for a week with this link installed. Now maybe I can get a little more ambitious and update a few other apps from the Cooker code...(assuming I don't run into any other major dependency problems). --- Now: this has actually been 3 or 4 weeks ago that I went through the original situation. I haven't had any problems since then, so I think I am fairly safe to say that things are working just fine... It sounds like you just need to use the copy of LyX that Mandrake has in the Cooker, assuming that the distro is 7.2. // George
Re: Figure list entries
On Thursday 22 March 2001 h:m:s, Herbert Voss wrote: > have a look at > > http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/~lyx/caption.html#short Is this the right URL, Herb? I tried to pull it up but get a 'Not Found' error message Ahh, I found it: http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/caption.html#short (The extra ~ was throwing things off...) // George
Re: Re(2): Bibliography gone?
On Monday 19 March 2001 h:m:s, you wrote: Where can I find Pybliographic? I searched around on several of the Linux oriented sites (Freshmeat, linux.com, etc) but was unable to find it... Is this a commercial product? Thanks for any assistance! found with "pybliographic rpm" by Google Hi Niels, After another quick search over on FreshMeat, I found it. (Don't remember what I changed this time, but it came up...:) In fact, I actually got to the home page for Pybliographer. And, I found version 1.0.7-1 as an rpm (I think there was a tgz and deb package as well...) Thanks again! // George
