Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Pau

lI thank you for bringing the beamer(article) to my attention. That is
very handy for me as well. I can see that if I insert some branches,
then I can really customize which material is included in the article
output.  Nice!

Yes, its a superb capability, I was also hoping to use the branches 
feature as I give similar  lectures to different courses and the 
branches feature would allow me to quickly customise the content.

To answer  your margin question, I wonder how you changed the margins?
In all of the beamer examples I find, the margin options are grayed
out and I can't change them.

After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document 
Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin 
sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would magically remember this was just 
the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the 
default for the Beamer class and refused to compile

That means we need to make the change either in the preamble or in the
lyx layout or latex style file.  Blech. I started to think there has
to be a better way and this way seems to do it.

\oddsidemargin 0.0in
\textwidth 6.0in
%%testing: does following have any effect?
%%\evensidemargin 0.0in

Yes, this was my next step, but was hoping to avoid commenting code in 
and out in the preamble, but its not really a problem.


I continue to be amazed at how brilliantly useful Lyx/Latex is :-)

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Graham M Smith wrote:
 After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document
 Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin
 sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would magically remember this was just
 the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the
 default for the Beamer class and refused to compile

I didn't follow this discussion in all detail, but wouldn't the use of a 
portmanteau beamer-article master solve this?

See:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Presentations#toc7

Jürgen

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

To answer  your margin question, I wonder how you changed the margins?
In all of the beamer examples I find, the margin options are grayed
out and I can't change them.

After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document 
Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin 
sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would magically remember this was just 
the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the 
default for the Beamer class and refused to compile


I'm with my namesake on this one.  In LyX 1.6.3, if I start a document 
and make it article (beamer), or switch an existing file to article 
(beamer), both page size and margins are grayed out and I'm stuck with 
class defaults.


The article (beamer) layout file loads the presentation (beamer) layout, 
so it's possible something in the latter blocks changes to paper size 
and margin (sensible since Beamer is designed specifically to produce 
128mm x 96mm slides), and that something may also be blocking 
margin/size changes in article (beamer) mode.  I can't see anything in 
the layout file that would be the culprit, though.  I'll see if I can 
track this down as time permits.  I'm not sure that helps Graham, 
though, since he seems to be able to change the margins (?? -- I didn't 
understand what was going on there, since I cannot reproduce it here).


/Paul

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul


That's ok, I understood what you meant -- just not why you did it.  I 
don't use article (Beamer), but my impression is that it's purpose is 
to facilitate turning a slideshow into a paper (either after the fact 
or in parallel development).  I don't think it's really intended to 
reproduce slides in slide-like form (although I could be wrong), and 
in any case it seems to be overkill for handouts (unless maybe you 
mean to annotate the handouts a fair bit).
Ah, but we have a fundamental misunderstanding. The reason I started 
using Beamer was the very fact that I could prepare slides and lecture 
notes (article) in parallel.  I don't want a print out of the slides in 
a slide-like form.  I use the slide content as an outline for my 
lecture, but expand on this (with more text than you would want to put 
on the slides), and additional diagrams, examples, reference list etc as 
a class hand out. So students get properly written (and illustrated)  
hand outs, for my lectures.


In fact it was this capability that brought me to latex/beamer in the 
first place after a plea on various forums for any ideas on how I could 
keep my handouts and presentations in sync so I didn't have to try and 
keep two documents (Powerpoint and Word) up to date and in sync.  But 
Beamer became available in Lyx before I managed to develop any real 
expertise in Latex, even though I had started to rewrite all my lecture 
material in Latex


I have put up with the wide margins up to now, but it seems a waste of 
paper, and it would be useful to allow diagrams and graphs to expand 
across the full page width.


Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This 
is 1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04



In this case, just type the word 'handout' (no quotes) in the Custom 
field and then View-PDF (pdflatex).  What you get is a bunch of 
slides, one per page, same margins as the original. 
Ahh, now that is still useful, as I still produce a single copy like 
this for myself (as a guide for my lecture), but do it by commenting in 
and out the following lines in the preamble (lifted from one of my 
original Latex presentations)


%\usepackage{pgfpages}

%\pgfpagesuselayout{4 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]

%\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}

%\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]


Now that we aren't talking at cross purposes :-), have you any 
suggestions on my original question.



I could of course add a line for the margins in the preamble that I 
comment out and in depending on the output, but I was hoping for 
something a bit more automated than that.




Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you managed 
to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), unless maybe 
you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not change margins, I 
could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached file 
is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in your 
local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should enable 
you to adjust paper type/size and margins in article (beamer) the same 
as in any article.  I've tested it both by converting existing 
presentations to articles and by using the embedding method in the link 
that Jürgen provided.


/Paul
#% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
#  \DeclareLaTeXClass[article]{article (beamer)}
# Author: Jürgen Spitzmüller j.spitzmuel...@gmx.de

Format 11

# Includes
Input beamer.layout
Provides geometry 0
Provides hyperref 0

Preamble
\usepackage{beamerarticle,pgf}
% this default might be overridden by plain title style
\newcommand\makebeamertitle{\frame{\maketitle}}%
\AtBeginDocument{
\let\origtableofcontents=\tableofcontents

\def\tableofcontent...@ifnextchar[{\origtableofcontents}{\gobbletableofcontents}}
\def\gobbletableofcontents#1{\origtableofcontents}
}
EndPreamble

# Frame control definition
Style BeginFrame
# This redefinition is needed to make beamerarticle work
  Preamble
\makeatletter
\long\def\lyxframe#...@lyxframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\d...@lyxframe{\@ifnextchar{\@@lyxframe}{\@@lyxframe*}}%
\def\@@lyxframe#1{...@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxframe#1}{\@@@lyxframe#1[]}}

\def\@@@lyxframe#1[...@ifnextchar{\@lyxframe#1[}{\lyxframe#1[*][}}

\def\@lyxframe#1[#2...@ifnextchar[{\lyxframe#1[#2]}{\lyxframe#1[#2][]}}
\long\def\lyxframe#1[#2][#3]...@lyxframestop#5\lyxframeend{%
  \frame#1[#3]{\frametitle{#4}#5}}
\makeatother
  EndPreamble
End

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul
Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you 
managed to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), 
unless maybe you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not 
change margins, I could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached 
file is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in 
your local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should 
enable you to adjust paper type/size and margins in article (beamer) 
the same as in any article.  I've tested it both by converting 
existing presentations to articles and by using the embedding method 
in the link that Jürgen provided.
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls are 
greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins in 
article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then needed 
set back to default when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.

Thanks for your help.

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Jürgen

Graham M Smith wrote:
  

After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document
Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin
sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would magically remember this was just
the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the
default for the Beamer class and refused to compile



I didn't follow this discussion in all detail, but wouldn't the use of a 
portmanteau beamer-article master solve this?


See:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Presentations#toc7
  

Indeed this does seem to be a solution :-)

Many thanks,

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul
Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you 
managed to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), 
unless maybe you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not 
change margins, I could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached 
file is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in 
your local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should 
enable you to adjust paper type/size and margins in article (beamer) 
the same as in any article.  I've tested it both by converting 
existing presentations to articles and by using the embedding method 
in the link that Jürgen provided.
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls are 
greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins in 
article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then needed 
set back to default when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.



Strange indeed.  Did you by any chance hack the article-beamer.layout 
file?  Or might you have an old version of the layout files in your 
~/.lyx folder that maybe are superseding the current versions?  That's 
the only explanation I can come up with.  FWIW, with my modified layout 
file, if I switch from presentation (beamer) (where page size and 
margins are locked) to article (beamer), page size and margins are 
unlocked and I can change them.  If I then switch back to presentation 
(beamer), the page size and margin revert to Beamer defaults and are 
locked, as you would wish.  So I don't know why they did not revert for 
you, but then again I don't know why you were able to change them in the 
first place.


I've tested this on Win XP with LyX 1.6.3 but not yet on Ubuntu.  Since 
it's a layout file issue, I doubt that it will behave differently on 
Ubuntu, but then it's one of those should not be possible things in 
the first place.

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul
Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you 
managed to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), 
unless maybe you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not 
change margins, I could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached 
file is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in 
your local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should 
enable you to adjust paper type/size and margins in article 
(beamer) the same as in any article.  I've tested it both by 
converting existing presentations to articles and by using the 
embedding method in the link that Jürgen provided.
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls 
are greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins in 
article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then needed 
set back to default when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.



Strange indeed.  Did you by any chance hack the article-beamer.layout 
file?  Or might you have an old version of the layout files in your 
~/.lyx folder that maybe are superseding the current versions?  That's 
the only explanation I can come up with.  FWIW, with my modified layout 
file, if I switch from presentation (beamer) (where page size and 
margins are locked) to article (beamer), page size and margins are 
unlocked and I can change them.  If I then switch back to presentation 
(beamer), the page size and margin revert to Beamer defaults and are 
locked, as you would wish.  So I don't know why they did not revert for 
you, but then again I don't know why you were able to change them in the 
first place.


I've tested this on Win XP with LyX 1.6.3 but not yet on Ubuntu.  Since 
it's a layout file issue, I doubt that it will behave differently on 
Ubuntu, but then it's one of those should not be possible things in 
the first place.





Just checked Ubuntu 9.04 -- same thing as Windows.  No control over page 
size/margins with the old article (beamer) layout, and the new layout 
switches (and switches back) correctly.

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls 
are greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins 
in article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then 
needed set back to default when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.



Strange indeed.  Did you by any chance hack the article-beamer.layout 
file?  Or might you have an old version of the layout files in your 
~/.lyx folder that maybe are superseding the current versions?  
This is fresh install of Ubuntu 9.04, on an HD that did have Windows on 
it, but I installed Ubuntu to use the entire disc.   Lyx was installed 
with synaptic and I haven't hacked/edited/changed any aspect of Lyx, so 
I have no idea why it isn't working as it should, especially as your 
other post says that its greyed out on you copy of Ubuntu.


Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Pau

lI thank you for bringing the beamer(article) to my attention. That is
very handy for me as well. I can see that if I insert some branches,
then I can really customize which material is included in the article
output.  Nice!

Yes, its a superb capability, I was also hoping to use the branches 
feature as I give similar  lectures to different courses and the 
branches feature would allow me to quickly customise the content.

To answer  your margin question, I wonder how you changed the margins?
In all of the beamer examples I find, the margin options are grayed
out and I can't change them.

After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document 
Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin 
sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would magically remember this was just 
the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the 
default for the Beamer class and refused to compile

That means we need to make the change either in the preamble or in the
lyx layout or latex style file.  Blech. I started to think there has
to be a better way and this way seems to do it.

\oddsidemargin 0.0in
\textwidth 6.0in
%%testing: does following have any effect?
%%\evensidemargin 0.0in

Yes, this was my next step, but was hoping to avoid commenting code in 
and out in the preamble, but its not really a problem.


I continue to be amazed at how brilliantly useful Lyx/Latex is :-)

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Graham M Smith wrote:
 After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document
 Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin
 sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would magically remember this was just
 the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the
 default for the Beamer class and refused to compile

I didn't follow this discussion in all detail, but wouldn't the use of a 
portmanteau beamer-article master solve this?

See:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Presentations#toc7

Jürgen

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

To answer  your margin question, I wonder how you changed the margins?
In all of the beamer examples I find, the margin options are grayed
out and I can't change them.

After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document 
Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin 
sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would magically remember this was just 
the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the 
default for the Beamer class and refused to compile


I'm with my namesake on this one.  In LyX 1.6.3, if I start a document 
and make it article (beamer), or switch an existing file to article 
(beamer), both page size and margins are grayed out and I'm stuck with 
class defaults.


The article (beamer) layout file loads the presentation (beamer) layout, 
so it's possible something in the latter blocks changes to paper size 
and margin (sensible since Beamer is designed specifically to produce 
128mm x 96mm slides), and that something may also be blocking 
margin/size changes in article (beamer) mode.  I can't see anything in 
the layout file that would be the culprit, though.  I'll see if I can 
track this down as time permits.  I'm not sure that helps Graham, 
though, since he seems to be able to change the margins (?? -- I didn't 
understand what was going on there, since I cannot reproduce it here).


/Paul

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul


That's ok, I understood what you meant -- just not why you did it.  I 
don't use article (Beamer), but my impression is that it's purpose is 
to facilitate turning a slideshow into a paper (either after the fact 
or in parallel development).  I don't think it's really intended to 
reproduce slides in slide-like form (although I could be wrong), and 
in any case it seems to be overkill for handouts (unless maybe you 
mean to annotate the handouts a fair bit).
Ah, but we have a fundamental misunderstanding. The reason I started 
using Beamer was the very fact that I could prepare slides and lecture 
notes (article) in parallel.  I don't want a print out of the slides in 
a slide-like form.  I use the slide content as an outline for my 
lecture, but expand on this (with more text than you would want to put 
on the slides), and additional diagrams, examples, reference list etc as 
a class hand out. So students get properly written (and illustrated)  
hand outs, for my lectures.


In fact it was this capability that brought me to latex/beamer in the 
first place after a plea on various forums for any ideas on how I could 
keep my handouts and presentations in sync so I didn't have to try and 
keep two documents (Powerpoint and Word) up to date and in sync.  But 
Beamer became available in Lyx before I managed to develop any real 
expertise in Latex, even though I had started to rewrite all my lecture 
material in Latex


I have put up with the wide margins up to now, but it seems a waste of 
paper, and it would be useful to allow diagrams and graphs to expand 
across the full page width.


Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This 
is 1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04



In this case, just type the word 'handout' (no quotes) in the Custom 
field and then View-PDF (pdflatex).  What you get is a bunch of 
slides, one per page, same margins as the original. 
Ahh, now that is still useful, as I still produce a single copy like 
this for myself (as a guide for my lecture), but do it by commenting in 
and out the following lines in the preamble (lifted from one of my 
original Latex presentations)


%\usepackage{pgfpages}

%\pgfpagesuselayout{4 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]

%\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}

%\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]


Now that we aren't talking at cross purposes :-), have you any 
suggestions on my original question.



I could of course add a line for the margins in the preamble that I 
comment out and in depending on the output, but I was hoping for 
something a bit more automated than that.




Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you managed 
to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), unless maybe 
you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not change margins, I 
could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached file 
is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in your 
local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should enable 
you to adjust paper type/size and margins in article (beamer) the same 
as in any article.  I've tested it both by converting existing 
presentations to articles and by using the embedding method in the link 
that Jürgen provided.


/Paul
#% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
#  \DeclareLaTeXClass[article]{article (beamer)}
# Author: Jürgen Spitzmüller j.spitzmuel...@gmx.de

Format 11

# Includes
Input beamer.layout
Provides geometry 0
Provides hyperref 0

Preamble
\usepackage{beamerarticle,pgf}
% this default might be overridden by plain title style
\newcommand\makebeamertitle{\frame{\maketitle}}%
\AtBeginDocument{
\let\origtableofcontents=\tableofcontents

\def\tableofcontent...@ifnextchar[{\origtableofcontents}{\gobbletableofcontents}}
\def\gobbletableofcontents#1{\origtableofcontents}
}
EndPreamble

# Frame control definition
Style BeginFrame
# This redefinition is needed to make beamerarticle work
  Preamble
\makeatletter
\long\def\lyxframe#...@lyxframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\d...@lyxframe{\@ifnextchar{\@@lyxframe}{\@@lyxframe*}}%
\def\@@lyxframe#1{...@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxframe#1}{\@@@lyxframe#1[]}}

\def\@@@lyxframe#1[...@ifnextchar{\@lyxframe#1[}{\lyxframe#1[*][}}

\def\@lyxframe#1[#2...@ifnextchar[{\lyxframe#1[#2]}{\lyxframe#1[#2][]}}
\long\def\lyxframe#1[#2][#3]...@lyxframestop#5\lyxframeend{%
  \frame#1[#3]{\frametitle{#4}#5}}
\makeatother
  EndPreamble
End

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul
Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you 
managed to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), 
unless maybe you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not 
change margins, I could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached 
file is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in 
your local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should 
enable you to adjust paper type/size and margins in article (beamer) 
the same as in any article.  I've tested it both by converting 
existing presentations to articles and by using the embedding method 
in the link that Jürgen provided.
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls are 
greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins in 
article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then needed 
set back to default when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.

Thanks for your help.

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Jürgen

Graham M Smith wrote:
  

After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document
Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin
sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would magically remember this was just
the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the
default for the Beamer class and refused to compile



I didn't follow this discussion in all detail, but wouldn't the use of a 
portmanteau beamer-article master solve this?


See:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Presentations#toc7
  

Indeed this does seem to be a solution :-)

Many thanks,

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul
Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you 
managed to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), 
unless maybe you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not 
change margins, I could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached 
file is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in 
your local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should 
enable you to adjust paper type/size and margins in article (beamer) 
the same as in any article.  I've tested it both by converting 
existing presentations to articles and by using the embedding method 
in the link that Jürgen provided.
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls are 
greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins in 
article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then needed 
set back to default when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.



Strange indeed.  Did you by any chance hack the article-beamer.layout 
file?  Or might you have an old version of the layout files in your 
~/.lyx folder that maybe are superseding the current versions?  That's 
the only explanation I can come up with.  FWIW, with my modified layout 
file, if I switch from presentation (beamer) (where page size and 
margins are locked) to article (beamer), page size and margins are 
unlocked and I can change them.  If I then switch back to presentation 
(beamer), the page size and margin revert to Beamer defaults and are 
locked, as you would wish.  So I don't know why they did not revert for 
you, but then again I don't know why you were able to change them in the 
first place.


I've tested this on Win XP with LyX 1.6.3 but not yet on Ubuntu.  Since 
it's a layout file issue, I doubt that it will behave differently on 
Ubuntu, but then it's one of those should not be possible things in 
the first place.

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul
Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you 
managed to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), 
unless maybe you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not 
change margins, I could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached 
file is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in 
your local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should 
enable you to adjust paper type/size and margins in article 
(beamer) the same as in any article.  I've tested it both by 
converting existing presentations to articles and by using the 
embedding method in the link that Jürgen provided.
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls 
are greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins in 
article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then needed 
set back to default when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.



Strange indeed.  Did you by any chance hack the article-beamer.layout 
file?  Or might you have an old version of the layout files in your 
~/.lyx folder that maybe are superseding the current versions?  That's 
the only explanation I can come up with.  FWIW, with my modified layout 
file, if I switch from presentation (beamer) (where page size and 
margins are locked) to article (beamer), page size and margins are 
unlocked and I can change them.  If I then switch back to presentation 
(beamer), the page size and margin revert to Beamer defaults and are 
locked, as you would wish.  So I don't know why they did not revert for 
you, but then again I don't know why you were able to change them in the 
first place.


I've tested this on Win XP with LyX 1.6.3 but not yet on Ubuntu.  Since 
it's a layout file issue, I doubt that it will behave differently on 
Ubuntu, but then it's one of those should not be possible things in 
the first place.





Just checked Ubuntu 9.04 -- same thing as Windows.  No control over page 
size/margins with the old article (beamer) layout, and the new layout 
switches (and switches back) correctly.

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls 
are greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins 
in article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then 
needed set back to default when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.



Strange indeed.  Did you by any chance hack the article-beamer.layout 
file?  Or might you have an old version of the layout files in your 
~/.lyx folder that maybe are superseding the current versions?  
This is fresh install of Ubuntu 9.04, on an HD that did have Windows on 
it, but I installed Ubuntu to use the entire disc.   Lyx was installed 
with synaptic and I haven't hacked/edited/changed any aspect of Lyx, so 
I have no idea why it isn't working as it should, especially as your 
other post says that its greyed out on you copy of Ubuntu.


Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Pau

lI thank you for bringing the beamer(article) to my attention. That is
very handy for me as well. I can see that if I insert some branches,
then I can really customize which material is included in the article
output.  Nice!

Yes, its a superb capability, I was also hoping to use the branches 
feature as I give similar  lectures to different courses and the 
branches feature would allow me to quickly customise the content.

To answer  your margin question, I wonder how you changed the margins?
In all of the beamer examples I find, the margin options are grayed
out and I can't change them.

After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document 
Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin 
sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would "magically" remember this was just 
the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the 
default for the Beamer class and refused to compile

That means we need to make the change either in the preamble or in the
lyx layout or latex style file.  Blech. I started to think "there has
to be a better way" and this way seems to do it.

\oddsidemargin 0.0in
\textwidth 6.0in
%%testing: does following have any effect?
%%\evensidemargin 0.0in

Yes, this was my next step, but was hoping to avoid commenting code in 
and out in the preamble, but its not really a problem.


I continue to be amazed at how brilliantly useful Lyx/Latex is :-)

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Graham M Smith wrote:
> After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document
> Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin
> sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would "magically" remember this was just
> the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the
> default for the Beamer class and refused to compile

I didn't follow this discussion in all detail, but wouldn't the use of a 
portmanteau beamer-article master solve this?

See:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Presentations#toc7

Jürgen

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

To answer  your margin question, I wonder how you changed the margins?
In all of the beamer examples I find, the margin options are grayed
out and I can't change them.

After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document 
Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin 
sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would "magically" remember this was just 
the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the 
default for the Beamer class and refused to compile


I'm with my namesake on this one.  In LyX 1.6.3, if I start a document 
and make it article (beamer), or switch an existing file to article 
(beamer), both page size and margins are grayed out and I'm stuck with 
class defaults.


The article (beamer) layout file loads the presentation (beamer) layout, 
so it's possible something in the latter blocks changes to paper size 
and margin (sensible since Beamer is designed specifically to produce 
128mm x 96mm slides), and that something may also be blocking 
margin/size changes in article (beamer) mode.  I can't see anything in 
the layout file that would be the culprit, though.  I'll see if I can 
track this down as time permits.  I'm not sure that helps Graham, 
though, since he seems to be able to change the margins (?? -- I didn't 
understand what was going on there, since I cannot reproduce it here).


/Paul

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul


That's ok, I understood what you meant -- just not why you did it.  I 
don't use article (Beamer), but my impression is that it's purpose is 
to facilitate turning a slideshow into a paper (either after the fact 
or in parallel development).  I don't think it's really intended to 
reproduce slides in slide-like form (although I could be wrong), and 
in any case it seems to be overkill for handouts (unless maybe you 
mean to annotate the handouts a fair bit).
Ah, but we have a fundamental misunderstanding. The reason I started 
using Beamer was the very fact that I could prepare slides and lecture 
notes (article) in parallel.  I don't want a print out of the slides in 
a slide-like form.  I use the slide content as an outline for my 
lecture, but expand on this (with more text than you would want to put 
on the slides), and additional diagrams, examples, reference list etc as 
a class hand out. So students get properly written (and illustrated)  
hand outs, for my lectures.


In fact it was this capability that brought me to latex/beamer in the 
first place after a plea on various forums for any ideas on how I could 
keep my handouts and presentations in sync so I didn't have to try and 
keep two documents (Powerpoint and Word) up to date and in sync.  But 
Beamer became available in Lyx before I managed to develop any real 
expertise in Latex, even though I had started to rewrite all my lecture 
material in Latex


I have put up with the wide margins up to now, but it seems a waste of 
paper, and it would be useful to allow diagrams and graphs to expand 
across the full page width.


Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This 
is 1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04



In this case, just type the word 'handout' (no quotes) in the "Custom" 
field and then View->PDF (pdflatex).  What you get is a bunch of 
slides, one per page, same margins as the original. 
Ahh, now that is still useful, as I still produce a single copy like 
this for myself (as a guide for my lecture), but do it by commenting in 
and out the following lines in the preamble (lifted from one of my 
original Latex presentations)


%\usepackage{pgfpages}

%\pgfpagesuselayout{4 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]

%\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}

%\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]


Now that we aren't talking at cross purposes :-), have you any 
suggestions on my original question.



I could of course add a line for the margins in the preamble that I 
comment out and in depending on the output, but I was hoping for 
something a bit more automated than that.




Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you managed 
to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), unless maybe 
you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not change margins, I 
could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached file 
is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in your 
local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should enable 
you to adjust paper type/size and margins in "article (beamer)" the same 
as in any article.  I've tested it both by converting existing 
presentations to articles and by using the embedding method in the link 
that Jürgen provided.


/Paul
#% Do not delete the line below; configure depends on this
#  \DeclareLaTeXClass[article]{article (beamer)}
# Author: Jürgen Spitzmüller 

Format 11

# Includes
Input beamer.layout
Provides geometry 0
Provides hyperref 0

Preamble
\usepackage{beamerarticle,pgf}
% this default might be overridden by plain title style
\newcommand\makebeamertitle{\frame{\maketitle}}%
\AtBeginDocument{
\let\origtableofcontents=\tableofcontents

\def\tableofcontent...@ifnextchar[{\origtableofcontents}{\gobbletableofcontents}}
\def\gobbletableofcontents#1{\origtableofcontents}
}
EndPreamble

# Frame control definition
Style BeginFrame
# This redefinition is needed to make beamerarticle work
  Preamble
\makeatletter
\long\def\lyxframe#...@lyxframe#1\@lyxframestop}%
\d...@lyxframe{\@ifnextchar<{\@@lyxframe}{\@@lyxframe<*>}}%
\def\@@lyxframe<#1>{...@ifnextchar[{\@@@lyxframe<#1>}{\@@@lyxframe<#1>[]}}

\def\@@@lyxframe<#1>[...@ifnextchar<{\@lyxframe<#1>[}{\lyxframe<#1>[<*>][}}

\def\@lyxframe<#1>[#2...@ifnextchar[{\lyxframe<#1>[#2]}{\lyxframe<#1>[#2][]}}
\long\def\lyxframe<#1>[#2][#3]...@lyxframestop#5\lyxframeend{%
  \frame<#1>[#3]{\frametitle{#4}#5}}
\makeatother
  EndPreamble
End

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul
Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you 
managed to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), 
unless maybe you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not 
change margins, I could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached 
file is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in 
your local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should 
enable you to adjust paper type/size and margins in "article (beamer)" 
the same as in any article.  I've tested it both by converting 
existing presentations to articles and by using the embedding method 
in the link that Jürgen provided.
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls are 
greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins in 
article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then needed 
set back to "default" when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.

Thanks for your help.

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Jürgen

Graham M Smith wrote:
  

After changing to Beamer(article) class. I used the Document
Settings|Page Margins tab I unticked the default and changed the margin
sizes. I was hoping that Lyx would "magically" remember this was just
the default for the Beamer (article) bit, but it also took this as the
default for the Beamer class and refused to compile



I didn't follow this discussion in all detail, but wouldn't the use of a 
portmanteau beamer-article master solve this?


See:
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Presentations#toc7
  

Indeed this does seem to be a solution :-)

Many thanks,

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul
Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you 
managed to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), 
unless maybe you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not 
change margins, I could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached 
file is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in 
your local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should 
enable you to adjust paper type/size and margins in "article (beamer)" 
the same as in any article.  I've tested it both by converting 
existing presentations to articles and by using the embedding method 
in the link that Jürgen provided.
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls are 
greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins in 
article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then needed 
set back to "default" when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.



Strange indeed.  Did you by any chance hack the article-beamer.layout 
file?  Or might you have an old version of the layout files in your 
~/.lyx folder that maybe are superseding the current versions?  That's 
the only explanation I can come up with.  FWIW, with my modified layout 
file, if I switch from "presentation (beamer)" (where page size and 
margins are locked) to "article (beamer)", page size and margins are 
unlocked and I can change them.  If I then switch back to "presentation 
(beamer)", the page size and margin revert to Beamer defaults and are 
locked, as you would wish.  So I don't know why they did not revert for 
you, but then again I don't know why you were able to change them in the 
first place.


I've tested this on Win XP with LyX 1.6.3 but not yet on Ubuntu.  Since 
it's a layout file issue, I doubt that it will behave differently on 
Ubuntu, but then it's one of those "should not be possible" things in 
the first place.

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul
Well, I have something to propose.  I still have no idea how you 
managed to change margins before (it should have been grayed out), 
unless maybe you're on an older version of LyX.  Since I could not 
change margins, I could not reproduce your results.


If you are using 1.6.x, though, I may have an answer.  The attached 
file is a replacement for the article-beamer layout file.  Drop it in 
your local layouts directory and reconfigure/restart LyX.  It should 
enable you to adjust paper type/size and margins in "article 
(beamer)" the same as in any article.  I've tested it both by 
converting existing presentations to articles and by using the 
embedding method in the link that Jürgen provided.
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls 
are greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins in 
article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then needed 
set back to "default" when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.



Strange indeed.  Did you by any chance hack the article-beamer.layout 
file?  Or might you have an old version of the layout files in your 
~/.lyx folder that maybe are superseding the current versions?  That's 
the only explanation I can come up with.  FWIW, with my modified layout 
file, if I switch from "presentation (beamer)" (where page size and 
margins are locked) to "article (beamer)", page size and margins are 
unlocked and I can change them.  If I then switch back to "presentation 
(beamer)", the page size and margin revert to Beamer defaults and are 
locked, as you would wish.  So I don't know why they did not revert for 
you, but then again I don't know why you were able to change them in the 
first place.


I've tested this on Win XP with LyX 1.6.3 but not yet on Ubuntu.  Since 
it's a layout file issue, I doubt that it will behave differently on 
Ubuntu, but then it's one of those "should not be possible" things in 
the first place.





Just checked Ubuntu 9.04 -- same thing as Windows.  No control over page 
size/margins with the old "article (beamer)" layout, and the new layout 
switches (and switches back) correctly.

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul
I'm using 1.6.2, on Ubuntu 9.04 and none of the margin/page controls 
are greyed out, so I can already adjust paper type/size and margins 
in article (beamer) as in any article. It was just that these then 
needed set back to "default" when switching back t Beamer.


Strange isn't it.



Strange indeed.  Did you by any chance hack the article-beamer.layout 
file?  Or might you have an old version of the layout files in your 
~/.lyx folder that maybe are superseding the current versions?  
This is fresh install of Ubuntu 9.04, on an HD that did have Windows on 
it, but I installed Ubuntu to use the entire disc.   Lyx was installed 
with synaptic and I haven't hacked/edited/changed any aspect of Lyx, so 
I have no idea why it isn't working as it should, especially as your 
other post says that its greyed out on you copy of Ubuntu.


Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

rh
If you can find some macro that is defined in this case, but not in 
the other case, then all you need is:

\ifx\thatmacro\undefined\relax\else
 your stuff here 
\fi
I don't know what \thatmacro might be, though.
Thanks, but unfortunately, this doesn't mean very much to me, I confess 
I was hoping for a single options line in the preamble :-(


Graham



Any particular reason you are switching to the article class for 
handouts, as opposed to using the handout option in the class options field?


/Paul

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul
Any particular reason you are switching to the article class for 
handouts, as opposed to using the handout option in the class options 
field?

Mmmm,

I'm not switching to the article class, I'm switching to the article 
(Beamer) class. I realise now that I described this as beamer article 
class in my original post.


However, I can't see a handout option under  class options assuming this 
is meant to be under Document settings|document class.


The document class options predefined is ticked but greyed out with [No 
options predefined] in the field.


This is when Document Class presentation(Beamer) is selected.

Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This is 
1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04


Thanks,

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul
Any particular reason you are switching to the article class for 
handouts, as opposed to using the handout option in the class options 
field?

Mmmm,

I'm not switching to the article class, I'm switching to the article 
(Beamer) class. I realise now that I described this as beamer article 
class in my original post.


That's ok, I understood what you meant -- just not why you did it.  I 
don't use article (Beamer), but my impression is that it's purpose is to 
facilitate turning a slideshow into a paper (either after the fact or in 
parallel development).  I don't think it's really intended to reproduce 
slides in slide-like form (although I could be wrong), and in any case 
it seems to be overkill for handouts (unless maybe you mean to annotate 
the handouts a fair bit).


However, I can't see a handout option under  class options assuming this 
is meant to be under Document settings|document class.


You have to fill it in.


The document class options predefined is ticked but greyed out with [No 
options predefined] in the field.


This is when Document Class presentation(Beamer) is selected.

Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This is 
1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04


You're in the right place but perhaps misunderstanding the dialog a bit. 
   The grayed-out box is for options that were preselected (which I 
suspect means forced on you) by the layout file.  Grayed out is a good 
thing IMHO -- it means all the options are up to you.


The Custom box beneath it is where you specify class options of your 
choosing, by typing them in (the same way you would if you were using 
straight LaTeX).  It presumes that you know what options work with the 
class you chose.


In this case, just type the word 'handout' (no quotes) in the Custom 
field and then View-PDF (pdflatex).  What you get is a bunch of slides, 
one per page, same margins as the original.  The main differences are 
that overlays and sequential alerting are eliminated.  So, for instance, 
if you have a slide with five bullets, each in a separate overlay, that 
was five pages in the original PDF but one page (all bullets showing) in 
the handout version.


It's common to want to print multiple slides on one page for handouts. 
That's usually best accomplished in the printer settings or in the 
viewer.  For instance, if you use Acrobat Reader, File  Print has a 
'Page scaling' entry that lets yo specify multiple pages per sheet. 
Pretty much the same story if you use Evince (aka 'Document Viewer') -- 
look at the 'Page Setup tab' in the print dialog, 'Pages per side'.


I'm not sure, but I think Beamer even includes some macros that can add 
annotations/notes to slides that will display in handout mode (if that's 
important to you).  Personally, I usually just pass out the slides 
themselves, one or two slides per sheet (four per sheet works if your 
audience has good eyesight and no intention of taking notes on the slides).


/Paul

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul


That's ok, I understood what you meant -- just not why you did it.  I 
don't use article (Beamer), but my impression is that it's purpose is 
to facilitate turning a slideshow into a paper (either after the fact 
or in parallel development).  I don't think it's really intended to 
reproduce slides in slide-like form (although I could be wrong), and 
in any case it seems to be overkill for handouts (unless maybe you 
mean to annotate the handouts a fair bit).
Ah, but we have a fundamental misunderstanding. The reason I started 
using Beamer was the very fact that I could prepare slides and lecture 
notes (article) in parallel.  I don't want a print out of the slides in 
a slide-like form.  I use the slide content as an outline for my 
lecture, but expand on this (with more text than you would want to put 
on the slides), and additional diagrams, examples, reference list etc as 
a class hand out. So students get properly written (and illustrated)  
hand outs, for my lectures.


In fact it was this capability that brought me to latex/beamer in the 
first place after a plea on various forums for any ideas on how I could 
keep my handouts and presentations in sync so I didn't have to try and 
keep two documents (Powerpoint and Word) up to date and in sync.  But 
Beamer became available in Lyx before I managed to develop any real 
expertise in Latex, even though I had started to rewrite all my lecture 
material in Latex


I have put up with the wide margins up to now, but it seems a waste of 
paper, and it would be useful to allow diagrams and graphs to expand 
across the full page width.


Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This 
is 1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04



In this case, just type the word 'handout' (no quotes) in the Custom 
field and then View-PDF (pdflatex).  What you get is a bunch of 
slides, one per page, same margins as the original. 
Ahh, now that is still useful, as I still produce a single copy like 
this for myself (as a guide for my lecture), but do it by commenting in 
and out the following lines in the preamble (lifted from one of my 
original Latex presentations)


%\usepackage{pgfpages}

%\pgfpagesuselayout{4 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]

%\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}

%\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]


Now that we aren't talking at cross purposes :-), have you any 
suggestions on my original question.



I could of course add a line for the margins in the preamble that I 
comment out and in depending on the output, but I was hoping for 
something a bit more automated than that.



Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul Johnson]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Graham M
Smithgraham.sm...@myotis.co.uk wrote:
 Paul


 I could of course add a line for the margins in the preamble that I comment
 out and in depending on the output, but I was hoping for something a bit
 more automated than that.


I thank you for bringing the beamer(article) to my attention. That is
very handy for me as well. I can see that if I insert some branches,
then I can really customize which material is included in the article
output.  Nice!

To answer  your margin question, I wonder how you changed the margins?
In all of the beamer examples I find, the margin options are grayed
out and I can't change them.

That means we need to make the change either in the preamble or in the
lyx layout or latex style file.  Blech. I started to think there has
to be a better way and this way seems to do it.

\oddsidemargin 0.0in
\textwidth 6.0in
%%testing: does following have any effect?
%%\evensidemargin 0.0in

In the example beamer file with the lyx distribution, this does work
for me to make the margins smaller.

I got the idea from this document:

http://www.image.ufl.edu/help/latex/margins.shtml

In case you want to set more parameters.   This works in LyX because
lyx invokes the geometry package early in the startup, so if you put
these in your preamble, it all ends up good.

HTH!

pj




-- 
Paul E. Johnson
Professor, Political Science
1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504
University of Kansas

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

rh
If you can find some macro that is defined in this case, but not in 
the other case, then all you need is:

\ifx\thatmacro\undefined\relax\else
 your stuff here 
\fi
I don't know what \thatmacro might be, though.
Thanks, but unfortunately, this doesn't mean very much to me, I confess 
I was hoping for a single options line in the preamble :-(


Graham



Any particular reason you are switching to the article class for 
handouts, as opposed to using the handout option in the class options field?


/Paul

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul
Any particular reason you are switching to the article class for 
handouts, as opposed to using the handout option in the class options 
field?

Mmmm,

I'm not switching to the article class, I'm switching to the article 
(Beamer) class. I realise now that I described this as beamer article 
class in my original post.


However, I can't see a handout option under  class options assuming this 
is meant to be under Document settings|document class.


The document class options predefined is ticked but greyed out with [No 
options predefined] in the field.


This is when Document Class presentation(Beamer) is selected.

Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This is 
1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04


Thanks,

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul
Any particular reason you are switching to the article class for 
handouts, as opposed to using the handout option in the class options 
field?

Mmmm,

I'm not switching to the article class, I'm switching to the article 
(Beamer) class. I realise now that I described this as beamer article 
class in my original post.


That's ok, I understood what you meant -- just not why you did it.  I 
don't use article (Beamer), but my impression is that it's purpose is to 
facilitate turning a slideshow into a paper (either after the fact or in 
parallel development).  I don't think it's really intended to reproduce 
slides in slide-like form (although I could be wrong), and in any case 
it seems to be overkill for handouts (unless maybe you mean to annotate 
the handouts a fair bit).


However, I can't see a handout option under  class options assuming this 
is meant to be under Document settings|document class.


You have to fill it in.


The document class options predefined is ticked but greyed out with [No 
options predefined] in the field.


This is when Document Class presentation(Beamer) is selected.

Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This is 
1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04


You're in the right place but perhaps misunderstanding the dialog a bit. 
   The grayed-out box is for options that were preselected (which I 
suspect means forced on you) by the layout file.  Grayed out is a good 
thing IMHO -- it means all the options are up to you.


The Custom box beneath it is where you specify class options of your 
choosing, by typing them in (the same way you would if you were using 
straight LaTeX).  It presumes that you know what options work with the 
class you chose.


In this case, just type the word 'handout' (no quotes) in the Custom 
field and then View-PDF (pdflatex).  What you get is a bunch of slides, 
one per page, same margins as the original.  The main differences are 
that overlays and sequential alerting are eliminated.  So, for instance, 
if you have a slide with five bullets, each in a separate overlay, that 
was five pages in the original PDF but one page (all bullets showing) in 
the handout version.


It's common to want to print multiple slides on one page for handouts. 
That's usually best accomplished in the printer settings or in the 
viewer.  For instance, if you use Acrobat Reader, File  Print has a 
'Page scaling' entry that lets yo specify multiple pages per sheet. 
Pretty much the same story if you use Evince (aka 'Document Viewer') -- 
look at the 'Page Setup tab' in the print dialog, 'Pages per side'.


I'm not sure, but I think Beamer even includes some macros that can add 
annotations/notes to slides that will display in handout mode (if that's 
important to you).  Personally, I usually just pass out the slides 
themselves, one or two slides per sheet (four per sheet works if your 
audience has good eyesight and no intention of taking notes on the slides).


/Paul

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul


That's ok, I understood what you meant -- just not why you did it.  I 
don't use article (Beamer), but my impression is that it's purpose is 
to facilitate turning a slideshow into a paper (either after the fact 
or in parallel development).  I don't think it's really intended to 
reproduce slides in slide-like form (although I could be wrong), and 
in any case it seems to be overkill for handouts (unless maybe you 
mean to annotate the handouts a fair bit).
Ah, but we have a fundamental misunderstanding. The reason I started 
using Beamer was the very fact that I could prepare slides and lecture 
notes (article) in parallel.  I don't want a print out of the slides in 
a slide-like form.  I use the slide content as an outline for my 
lecture, but expand on this (with more text than you would want to put 
on the slides), and additional diagrams, examples, reference list etc as 
a class hand out. So students get properly written (and illustrated)  
hand outs, for my lectures.


In fact it was this capability that brought me to latex/beamer in the 
first place after a plea on various forums for any ideas on how I could 
keep my handouts and presentations in sync so I didn't have to try and 
keep two documents (Powerpoint and Word) up to date and in sync.  But 
Beamer became available in Lyx before I managed to develop any real 
expertise in Latex, even though I had started to rewrite all my lecture 
material in Latex


I have put up with the wide margins up to now, but it seems a waste of 
paper, and it would be useful to allow diagrams and graphs to expand 
across the full page width.


Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This 
is 1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04



In this case, just type the word 'handout' (no quotes) in the Custom 
field and then View-PDF (pdflatex).  What you get is a bunch of 
slides, one per page, same margins as the original. 
Ahh, now that is still useful, as I still produce a single copy like 
this for myself (as a guide for my lecture), but do it by commenting in 
and out the following lines in the preamble (lifted from one of my 
original Latex presentations)


%\usepackage{pgfpages}

%\pgfpagesuselayout{4 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]

%\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}

%\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]


Now that we aren't talking at cross purposes :-), have you any 
suggestions on my original question.



I could of course add a line for the margins in the preamble that I 
comment out and in depending on the output, but I was hoping for 
something a bit more automated than that.



Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul Johnson]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Graham M
Smithgraham.sm...@myotis.co.uk wrote:
 Paul


 I could of course add a line for the margins in the preamble that I comment
 out and in depending on the output, but I was hoping for something a bit
 more automated than that.


I thank you for bringing the beamer(article) to my attention. That is
very handy for me as well. I can see that if I insert some branches,
then I can really customize which material is included in the article
output.  Nice!

To answer  your margin question, I wonder how you changed the margins?
In all of the beamer examples I find, the margin options are grayed
out and I can't change them.

That means we need to make the change either in the preamble or in the
lyx layout or latex style file.  Blech. I started to think there has
to be a better way and this way seems to do it.

\oddsidemargin 0.0in
\textwidth 6.0in
%%testing: does following have any effect?
%%\evensidemargin 0.0in

In the example beamer file with the lyx distribution, this does work
for me to make the margins smaller.

I got the idea from this document:

http://www.image.ufl.edu/help/latex/margins.shtml

In case you want to set more parameters.   This works in LyX because
lyx invokes the geometry package early in the startup, so if you put
these in your preamble, it all ends up good.

HTH!

pj




-- 
Paul E. Johnson
Professor, Political Science
1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504
University of Kansas

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

rh
If you can find some macro that is defined in this case, but not in 
the other case, then all you need is:

\ifx\thatmacro\undefined\relax\else
 your stuff here 
\fi
I don't know what \thatmacro might be, though.
Thanks, but unfortunately, this doesn't mean very much to me, I confess 
I was hoping for a single options line in the preamble :-(


Graham



Any particular reason you are switching to the article class for 
handouts, as opposed to using the handout option in the class options field?


/Paul

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul
Any particular reason you are switching to the article class for 
handouts, as opposed to using the handout option in the class options 
field?

Mmmm,

I'm not switching to the article class, I'm switching to the "article 
(Beamer)" class. I realise now that I described this as "beamer article" 
class in my original post.


However, I can't see a handout option under  class options assuming this 
is meant to be under Document settings|document class.


The document class options predefined is ticked but greyed out with [No 
options predefined] in the field.


This is when Document Class "presentation(Beamer)" is selected.

Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This is 
1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04


Thanks,

Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul A. Rubin]

Graham M Smith wrote:

Paul
Any particular reason you are switching to the article class for 
handouts, as opposed to using the handout option in the class options 
field?

Mmmm,

I'm not switching to the article class, I'm switching to the "article 
(Beamer)" class. I realise now that I described this as "beamer article" 
class in my original post.


That's ok, I understood what you meant -- just not why you did it.  I 
don't use article (Beamer), but my impression is that it's purpose is to 
facilitate turning a slideshow into a paper (either after the fact or in 
parallel development).  I don't think it's really intended to reproduce 
slides in slide-like form (although I could be wrong), and in any case 
it seems to be overkill for handouts (unless maybe you mean to annotate 
the handouts a fair bit).


However, I can't see a handout option under  class options assuming this 
is meant to be under Document settings|document class.


You have to fill it in.


The document class options predefined is ticked but greyed out with [No 
options predefined] in the field.


This is when Document Class "presentation(Beamer)" is selected.

Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This is 
1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04


You're in the right place but perhaps misunderstanding the dialog a bit. 
   The grayed-out box is for options that were preselected (which I 
suspect means forced on you) by the layout file.  Grayed out is a good 
thing IMHO -- it means all the options are up to you.


The "Custom" box beneath it is where you specify class options of your 
choosing, by typing them in (the same way you would if you were using 
straight LaTeX).  It presumes that you know what options work with the 
class you chose.


In this case, just type the word 'handout' (no quotes) in the "Custom" 
field and then View->PDF (pdflatex).  What you get is a bunch of slides, 
one per page, same margins as the original.  The main differences are 
that overlays and sequential alerting are eliminated.  So, for instance, 
if you have a slide with five bullets, each in a separate overlay, that 
was five pages in the original PDF but one page (all bullets showing) in 
the handout version.


It's common to want to print multiple slides on one page for handouts. 
That's usually best accomplished in the printer settings or in the 
viewer.  For instance, if you use Acrobat Reader, File > Print has a 
'Page scaling' entry that lets yo specify multiple pages per sheet. 
Pretty much the same story if you use Evince (aka 'Document Viewer') -- 
look at the 'Page Setup tab' in the print dialog, 'Pages per side'.


I'm not sure, but I think Beamer even includes some macros that can add 
annotations/notes to slides that will display in handout mode (if that's 
important to you).  Personally, I usually just pass out the slides 
themselves, one or two slides per sheet (four per sheet works if your 
audience has good eyesight and no intention of taking notes on the slides).


/Paul

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

Paul


That's ok, I understood what you meant -- just not why you did it.  I 
don't use article (Beamer), but my impression is that it's purpose is 
to facilitate turning a slideshow into a paper (either after the fact 
or in parallel development).  I don't think it's really intended to 
reproduce slides in slide-like form (although I could be wrong), and 
in any case it seems to be overkill for handouts (unless maybe you 
mean to annotate the handouts a fair bit).
Ah, but we have a fundamental misunderstanding. The reason I started 
using Beamer was the very fact that I could prepare slides and lecture 
notes (article) in parallel.  I don't want a print out of the slides in 
a slide-like form.  I use the slide content as an outline for my 
lecture, but expand on this (with more text than you would want to put 
on the slides), and additional diagrams, examples, reference list etc as 
a class hand out. So students get properly written (and illustrated)  
hand outs, for my lectures.


In fact it was this capability that brought me to latex/beamer in the 
first place after a plea on various forums for any ideas on how I could 
keep my handouts and presentations in sync so I didn't have to try and 
keep two documents (Powerpoint and Word) up to date and in sync.  But 
Beamer became available in Lyx before I managed to develop any real 
expertise in Latex, even though I had started to rewrite all my lecture 
material in Latex


I have put up with the wide margins up to now, but it seems a waste of 
paper, and it would be useful to allow diagrams and graphs to expand 
across the full page width.


Am I in the wrong place? A simple handout option would be nice.  This 
is 1.6.2 on Ubuntu 9.04



In this case, just type the word 'handout' (no quotes) in the "Custom" 
field and then View->PDF (pdflatex).  What you get is a bunch of 
slides, one per page, same margins as the original. 
Ahh, now that is still useful, as I still produce a single copy like 
this for myself (as a guide for my lecture), but do it by commenting in 
and out the following lines in the preamble (lifted from one of my 
original Latex presentations)


%\usepackage{pgfpages}

%\pgfpagesuselayout{4 on 1}[a4paper,border shrink=2mm]

%\setbeamercolor{background canvas}{bg=black!1}

%\setbeamertemplate{footline}[page number]


Now that we aren't talking at cross purposes :-), have you any 
suggestions on my original question.



I could of course add a line for the margins in the preamble that I 
comment out and in depending on the output, but I was hoping for 
something a bit more automated than that.



Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Paul Johnson]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Graham M
Smith wrote:
> Paul
>>
>
> I could of course add a line for the margins in the preamble that I comment
> out and in depending on the output, but I was hoping for something a bit
> more automated than that.
>

I thank you for bringing the beamer(article) to my attention. That is
very handy for me as well. I can see that if I insert some branches,
then I can really customize which material is included in the article
output.  Nice!

To answer  your margin question, I wonder how you changed the margins?
In all of the beamer examples I find, the margin options are grayed
out and I can't change them.

That means we need to make the change either in the preamble or in the
lyx layout or latex style file.  Blech. I started to think "there has
to be a better way" and this way seems to do it.

\oddsidemargin 0.0in
\textwidth 6.0in
%%testing: does following have any effect?
%%\evensidemargin 0.0in

In the example beamer file with the lyx distribution, this does work
for me to make the margins smaller.

I got the idea from this document:

http://www.image.ufl.edu/help/latex/margins.shtml

In case you want to set more parameters.   This works in LyX because
lyx invokes the geometry package early in the startup, so if you put
these in your preamble, it all ends up good.

HTH!

pj




-- 
Paul E. Johnson
Professor, Political Science
1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504
University of Kansas

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[rgheck]

On 08/11/2009 03:27 PM, Graham M Smith wrote:
I'm using Beamer, and producing a presentation handout by switching to 
the beamer article class, which defaults to wide margins.


If I change the margins in documents settings, this then prevents the 
beamer slides being produced (I get a compile error). I assume I can 
put something in the preamble that will switch the margins for beamer 
article only, but don't know what this might be.


If you can find some macro that is defined in this case, but not in the 
other case, then all you need is:

\ifx\thatmacro\undefined\relax\else
 your stuff here 
\fi
I don't know what \thatmacro might be, though.

rh

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

rh
If you can find some macro that is defined in this case, but not in 
the other case, then all you need is:

\ifx\thatmacro\undefined\relax\else
 your stuff here 
\fi
I don't know what \thatmacro might be, though.
Thanks, but unfortunately, this doesn't mean very much to me, I confess 
I was hoping for a single options line in the preamble :-(


Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[rgheck]

On 08/11/2009 03:27 PM, Graham M Smith wrote:
I'm using Beamer, and producing a presentation handout by switching to 
the beamer article class, which defaults to wide margins.


If I change the margins in documents settings, this then prevents the 
beamer slides being produced (I get a compile error). I assume I can 
put something in the preamble that will switch the margins for beamer 
article only, but don't know what this might be.


If you can find some macro that is defined in this case, but not in the 
other case, then all you need is:

\ifx\thatmacro\undefined\relax\else
 your stuff here 
\fi
I don't know what \thatmacro might be, though.

rh

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

rh
If you can find some macro that is defined in this case, but not in 
the other case, then all you need is:

\ifx\thatmacro\undefined\relax\else
 your stuff here 
\fi
I don't know what \thatmacro might be, though.
Thanks, but unfortunately, this doesn't mean very much to me, I confess 
I was hoping for a single options line in the preamble :-(


Graham

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[rgheck]

On 08/11/2009 03:27 PM, Graham M Smith wrote:
I'm using Beamer, and producing a presentation handout by switching to 
the beamer article class, which defaults to wide margins.


If I change the margins in documents settings, this then prevents the 
beamer slides being produced (I get a compile error). I assume I can 
put something in the preamble that will switch the margins for beamer 
article only, but don't know what this might be.


If you can find some macro that is defined in this case, but not in the 
other case, then all you need is:

\ifx\thatmacro\undefined\relax\else
 your stuff here 
\fi
I don't know what \thatmacro might be, though.

rh

Re: changing margins in article class when using Beamer

[Graham M Smith]

rh
If you can find some macro that is defined in this case, but not in 
the other case, then all you need is:

\ifx\thatmacro\undefined\relax\else
 your stuff here 
\fi
I don't know what \thatmacro might be, though.
Thanks, but unfortunately, this doesn't mean very much to me, I confess 
I was hoping for a single options line in the preamble :-(


Graham