Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Uwe Stöhr wrote: Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size huge. What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. Nope. All document classes define default fonts. If only the use LaTeX's default. Of course you can override that, like most defaults. Jürgen
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Uwe Stöhr wrote: Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size huge. What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. Nope. All document classes define default fonts. If only the use LaTeX's default. Of course you can override that, like most defaults. Jürgen
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document > should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size "huge". > What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. Nope. All document classes define default fonts. If only the use LaTeX's default. Of course you can override that, like most defaults. Jürgen
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Am 13.10.2010 07:31, schrieb Rob Oakes: But, not all of the classes use Computer Modern as the default typeface. (Yes, the majority do). The Tufte classes, for example, make use of Palotino/Helvetica/Bera Mono. Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size huge. What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. (Tufte is an exception because it doesn't follow the common document class rules. Tufte hardcodes almost everything so that you are limited in changing the layout.) KOMA-script doesn't hardcode things. When you create a KOMA-script document and set in LyX the fonts to default you get usually computer modern for the fonts. But note that the default font depends on the settings of your LaTeX-distribution. It is possible that the default fonts are set to Latin modern or CM super instead of Computer modern. So when you want to have a certain font, you should select one in the LyX document settings. regards Uwe
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
On 2010-10-13, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Am 13.10.2010 07:31, schrieb Rob Oakes: But, not all of the classes use Computer Modern as the default typeface. (Yes, the majority do). The Tufte classes, for example, make use of Palotino/Helvetica/Bera Mono. Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size huge. What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. This is true for many document classes (and you can be quite sure that the font setting is not changed if there is no mention of the used font in a packages description). OTOH, the font is an importont part of how a document should look and hence it is valid for any documentclass to select a different default font. Especially the classes for journal submissions use this to select a font resembling the font used in the journal. Günter BTW: * with the CM-Super bundle installed, you will get CM-Super instead of CM as default in most LaTeX distributions. * else, with LyX's default settings you get T1 font encoding (instead of the LaTeX default OT1) which results in the EC (bitmap) fonts used instead of CM.
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Hi Uwe, Thanks for the response. My question doesn't really have much to do with LyX, but rather about the defaults selected by particular LaTeX distributions. I asked it on the users list mostly because it's where I know the most people and there are multiple TeX experts who hang out here. On Oct 13, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size huge. I think part of the reason for the misunderstanding is that we think about document appearance differently (very, very differently as it turns out) and I was operating under a serious misunderstanding. When you say that document classes define how a document should look (please correct me if I'm wrong), you appear to be referring to styles (family [roman, sans, typewriter], weight [bold, medium, light], italics, small caps, etc.), margins, indentation, spacing. but not the typeface itself? I know that the default typeface for LaTeX is CM, and from your comments it sounds as though the default typeface is determined at the level of LaTeX distribution and not at the level of document class. Is that right? What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. Here's my background. I mostly come to LyX from a somewhat traditional printing background (I worked in a printer's shop part of my time during college and later did a turn as the production editor for a journal), though I am hardly an expert on anything. But in that environment, when someone uses the word appearance, they are referring to all of the properties you describe in addition to the font. Perhaps most especially the font. Note that the default font depends on the settings of your LaTeX-distribution. It is possible that the default fonts are set to Latin modern or CM super instead of Computer modern. So when you want to have a certain font, you should select one in the LyX document settings. To find out that document classes don't provide a recommendation for the default, which has been chosen to match the spacing and design of a particular class, is a little shocking. It's like learning that a composer had no preference of instruments and that a concerto for flute could also be played on an oboe, or violin without causing people to raise an eyebrow. Certainly, you are free to change it, but the default typeface is the default typeface. And I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that such an important decision is apparently left up to the packagers of the LaTeX distribution. (With the assumption that Computer Modern will be right in nearly all instances.) In most publishing houses, that decision is made at the level of design template (which would be roughly analogous to document class). If you told a publication designer that there is a default typeface that is right for all documents, I think most would look at you like you were crazy. (That would be the response of most I've known, at least.) KOMA-script doesn't hardcode things. When you create a KOMA-script document and set in LyX the fonts to default you get usually computer modern for the fonts. This I was aware of, but I still assumed that all document classes provided a recommendation of font, in addition to paper size, margins, spacing and all the rest. After all, they all build on themselves. A document that has been carefully designed to use CM or LM won't necessarily look good when typeset with Palatino. Changing a font is a big modification to the document's design, and usually requires that you adjust several others so that things look right. Because of my previous experience, I just assumed that LaTeX functioned according to similar principles. I knew that CM was the default for LaTeX in general, but I had thought that class/package authors also made individual design choices based upon the goals of their class. Are you aware of anyplace where the design conventions are more explicitly described? I checked the LaTeX2e for class and package writers in addition to The LaTeX companion, but I haven't been able to find someplace where it is spelled out. (I don't currently have access to Lamport's original book.) (The request for references is mostly so that I can describe the conventions correctly. I'm probably going to need to re-write a major section.) Again, thanks for responding. I appreciate that the information is only tangentially related to LyX (and of only marginal interest to most), but I'd really like to get things right. Cheers, Rob
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Am 13.10.2010 07:31, schrieb Rob Oakes: But, not all of the classes use Computer Modern as the default typeface. (Yes, the majority do). The Tufte classes, for example, make use of Palotino/Helvetica/Bera Mono. Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size huge. What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. (Tufte is an exception because it doesn't follow the common document class rules. Tufte hardcodes almost everything so that you are limited in changing the layout.) KOMA-script doesn't hardcode things. When you create a KOMA-script document and set in LyX the fonts to default you get usually computer modern for the fonts. But note that the default font depends on the settings of your LaTeX-distribution. It is possible that the default fonts are set to Latin modern or CM super instead of Computer modern. So when you want to have a certain font, you should select one in the LyX document settings. regards Uwe
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
On 2010-10-13, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Am 13.10.2010 07:31, schrieb Rob Oakes: But, not all of the classes use Computer Modern as the default typeface. (Yes, the majority do). The Tufte classes, for example, make use of Palotino/Helvetica/Bera Mono. Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size huge. What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. This is true for many document classes (and you can be quite sure that the font setting is not changed if there is no mention of the used font in a packages description). OTOH, the font is an importont part of how a document should look and hence it is valid for any documentclass to select a different default font. Especially the classes for journal submissions use this to select a font resembling the font used in the journal. Günter BTW: * with the CM-Super bundle installed, you will get CM-Super instead of CM as default in most LaTeX distributions. * else, with LyX's default settings you get T1 font encoding (instead of the LaTeX default OT1) which results in the EC (bitmap) fonts used instead of CM.
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Hi Uwe, Thanks for the response. My question doesn't really have much to do with LyX, but rather about the defaults selected by particular LaTeX distributions. I asked it on the users list mostly because it's where I know the most people and there are multiple TeX experts who hang out here. On Oct 13, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size huge. I think part of the reason for the misunderstanding is that we think about document appearance differently (very, very differently as it turns out) and I was operating under a serious misunderstanding. When you say that document classes define how a document should look (please correct me if I'm wrong), you appear to be referring to styles (family [roman, sans, typewriter], weight [bold, medium, light], italics, small caps, etc.), margins, indentation, spacing. but not the typeface itself? I know that the default typeface for LaTeX is CM, and from your comments it sounds as though the default typeface is determined at the level of LaTeX distribution and not at the level of document class. Is that right? What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. Here's my background. I mostly come to LyX from a somewhat traditional printing background (I worked in a printer's shop part of my time during college and later did a turn as the production editor for a journal), though I am hardly an expert on anything. But in that environment, when someone uses the word appearance, they are referring to all of the properties you describe in addition to the font. Perhaps most especially the font. Note that the default font depends on the settings of your LaTeX-distribution. It is possible that the default fonts are set to Latin modern or CM super instead of Computer modern. So when you want to have a certain font, you should select one in the LyX document settings. To find out that document classes don't provide a recommendation for the default, which has been chosen to match the spacing and design of a particular class, is a little shocking. It's like learning that a composer had no preference of instruments and that a concerto for flute could also be played on an oboe, or violin without causing people to raise an eyebrow. Certainly, you are free to change it, but the default typeface is the default typeface. And I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that such an important decision is apparently left up to the packagers of the LaTeX distribution. (With the assumption that Computer Modern will be right in nearly all instances.) In most publishing houses, that decision is made at the level of design template (which would be roughly analogous to document class). If you told a publication designer that there is a default typeface that is right for all documents, I think most would look at you like you were crazy. (That would be the response of most I've known, at least.) KOMA-script doesn't hardcode things. When you create a KOMA-script document and set in LyX the fonts to default you get usually computer modern for the fonts. This I was aware of, but I still assumed that all document classes provided a recommendation of font, in addition to paper size, margins, spacing and all the rest. After all, they all build on themselves. A document that has been carefully designed to use CM or LM won't necessarily look good when typeset with Palatino. Changing a font is a big modification to the document's design, and usually requires that you adjust several others so that things look right. Because of my previous experience, I just assumed that LaTeX functioned according to similar principles. I knew that CM was the default for LaTeX in general, but I had thought that class/package authors also made individual design choices based upon the goals of their class. Are you aware of anyplace where the design conventions are more explicitly described? I checked the LaTeX2e for class and package writers in addition to The LaTeX companion, but I haven't been able to find someplace where it is spelled out. (I don't currently have access to Lamport's original book.) (The request for references is mostly so that I can describe the conventions correctly. I'm probably going to need to re-write a major section.) Again, thanks for responding. I appreciate that the information is only tangentially related to LyX (and of only marginal interest to most), but I'd really like to get things right. Cheers, Rob
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Am 13.10.2010 07:31, schrieb Rob Oakes: But, not all of the classes use Computer Modern as the default typeface. (Yes, the majority do). The Tufte classes, for example, make use of Palotino/Helvetica/Bera Mono. Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size "huge". What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. (Tufte is an exception because it doesn't follow the common document class rules. Tufte hardcodes almost everything so that you are limited in changing the layout.) KOMA-script doesn't hardcode things. When you create a KOMA-script document and set in LyX the fonts to "default" you get usually computer modern for the fonts. But note that the default font depends on the settings of your LaTeX-distribution. It is possible that the default fonts are set to Latin modern or CM super instead of Computer modern. So when you want to have a certain font, you should select one in the LyX document settings. regards Uwe
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
On 2010-10-13, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 13.10.2010 07:31, schrieb Rob Oakes: >> But, not all of the classes use Computer Modern as the default >> typeface. (Yes, the majority do). The Tufte classes, for example, >> make use of Palotino/Helvetica/Bera Mono. > Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document > should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size "huge". > What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. This is true for many document classes (and you can be quite sure that the font setting is not changed if there is no mention of the used font in a packages description). OTOH, the font is an importont part of "how a document should look" and hence it is valid for any documentclass to select a different default font. Especially the classes for journal submissions use this to select a font resembling the font used in the journal. Günter BTW: * with the CM-Super bundle installed, you will get CM-Super instead of CM as default in most LaTeX distributions. * else, with LyX's default settings you get "T1" font encoding (instead of the LaTeX default "OT1") which results in the EC (bitmap) fonts used instead of CM.
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Hi Uwe, Thanks for the response. My question doesn't really have much to do with LyX, but rather about the defaults selected by particular LaTeX distributions. I asked it on the users list mostly because it's where I know the most people and there are multiple TeX experts who hang out here. On Oct 13, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Seems that you misunderstood me. A document class defines how a document > should look, e.g. if the title uses a sans serif font in size "huge". I think part of the reason for the misunderstanding is that we think about document "appearance" differently (very, very differently as it turns out) and I was operating under a serious misunderstanding. When you say that document classes define "how a document should look" (please correct me if I'm wrong), you appear to be referring to styles (family [roman, sans, typewriter], weight [bold, medium, light], italics, small caps, etc.), margins, indentation, spacing. but not the typeface itself? I know that the default typeface for LaTeX is CM, and from your comments it sounds as though the default typeface is determined at the level of LaTeX distribution and not at the level of document class. Is that right? > What font you are using for sans serif is your decision. Here's my background. I mostly come to LyX from a somewhat traditional printing background (I worked in a printer's shop part of my time during college and later did a turn as the production editor for a journal), though I am hardly an expert on anything. But in that environment, when someone uses the word "appearance", they are referring to all of the properties you describe in addition to the font. Perhaps most especially the font. > Note that the default font depends on the settings of your > LaTeX-distribution. It is possible that the default fonts are set to Latin > modern or CM super instead of Computer modern. So when you want to have a > certain font, you should select one in the LyX document settings. To find out that document classes don't provide a recommendation for the default, which has been chosen to match the spacing and design of a particular class, is a little shocking. It's like learning that a composer had no preference of instruments and that a concerto for flute could also be played on an oboe, or violin without causing people to raise an eyebrow. Certainly, you are free to change it, but the default typeface is the default typeface. And I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that such an important decision is apparently left up to the packagers of the LaTeX distribution. (With the assumption that Computer Modern will be right in nearly all instances.) In most publishing houses, that decision is made at the level of design template (which would be roughly analogous to document class). If you told a publication designer that there is a default typeface that is right for all documents, I think most would look at you like you were crazy. (That would be the response of most I've known, at least.) > KOMA-script doesn't hardcode things. When you create a KOMA-script document > and set in LyX the fonts to "default" you get usually computer modern for the > fonts. This I was aware of, but I still assumed that all document classes provided a recommendation of font, in addition to paper size, margins, spacing and all the rest. After all, they all build on themselves. A document that has been carefully designed to use CM or LM won't necessarily look good when typeset with Palatino. Changing a font is a big modification to the document's design, and usually requires that you adjust several others so that things look "right." Because of my previous experience, I just assumed that LaTeX functioned according to similar principles. I knew that CM was the default for LaTeX in general, but I had thought that class/package authors also made individual design choices based upon the goals of their class. Are you aware of anyplace where the design conventions are more explicitly described? I checked the "LaTeX2e for class and package writers" in addition to "The LaTeX companion", but I haven't been able to find someplace where it is spelled out. (I don't currently have access to Lamport's original book.) (The request for references is mostly so that I can describe the conventions correctly. I'm probably going to need to re-write a major section.) Again, thanks for responding. I appreciate that the information is only tangentially related to LyX (and of only marginal interest to most), but I'd really like to get things right. Cheers, Rob
Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Dear LyX-Users, Sorry for spamming the list, but I am scrambling to compile a table on the default formatting for the common LaTeX document classes and I can't seem to find a piece of information. I am hoping that someone on the list may know. What is the default font used for the KOMA-Script classes? I need the actual name. When described in the KOMA-Script manual, they are simply referred to as serif and sans-serif. It appears that they are computer modern, but short of hacking the PDF to locate the embedded font names, I can't seem to confirm it. Does anyone know definitively or know of reference that says? Thanks, Rob
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Am 12.10.2010 20:11, schrieb Rob Oakes: What is the default font used for the KOMA-Script classes? Document classes don't have their own fonts. You can choose a font you want for every document class. regards Uwe
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Document classes don't have their own fonts. You can choose a font you want for every document class. regards Uwe But in some environments (chapter, section, subsection), they are always in SansSerif? Do you mean the standard environment? WAS
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Am 13.10.2010 04:47, schrieb Waluyo Adi Siswanto: But in some environments (chapter, section, subsection), they are always in SansSerif? Yes, but in the font you selected. You can select the font for sans serif in the LyX document settings. The default font is ComputerModern as described in the LyX UserGuide. regards Uwe
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Hi Uwe, Thank you for getting back to me. I'm sorry if if my inquiry sounds stupid. (I will concede that it is mildly dense.) Even so, I'm trying to track down which fonts the different packages use without making any modifications. I know that it is very easy to change the font to an alternative either using a package, or if you use xetex, through fontspec. But, not all of the classes use Computer Modern as the default typeface. (Yes, the majority do). The Tufte classes, for example, make use of Palotino/Helvetica/Bera Mono. For nearly all of the other classes I'm compiling a summary for: standard classes, AMS-LaTeX, Memoir, Beamer, Tufte, etc. I have been able to find an explicit reference that says, The default typeface is computer modern. I have not been able to find this reference for KOMA, and it makes me uneasy to say it without an host of references to back it up. Google has been essentially worthless for tracking the information down. This is what prompted by original question to the group. The default font is ComputerModern as described in the LyX UserGuide. I appreciate this pointer. I finally got frustrated and compiled a sample document and then hacked it open. The embedded fonts were cms (computer modern sans) and cmr (computer modern roman), just like the standard documents. This evidence, taken with what you've offered, make me comfortable that computer modern is indeed the default. Is there anyone who's had a contrary experience? Cheers, Rob
Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Dear LyX-Users, Sorry for spamming the list, but I am scrambling to compile a table on the default formatting for the common LaTeX document classes and I can't seem to find a piece of information. I am hoping that someone on the list may know. What is the default font used for the KOMA-Script classes? I need the actual name. When described in the KOMA-Script manual, they are simply referred to as serif and sans-serif. It appears that they are computer modern, but short of hacking the PDF to locate the embedded font names, I can't seem to confirm it. Does anyone know definitively or know of reference that says? Thanks, Rob
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Am 12.10.2010 20:11, schrieb Rob Oakes: What is the default font used for the KOMA-Script classes? Document classes don't have their own fonts. You can choose a font you want for every document class. regards Uwe
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Document classes don't have their own fonts. You can choose a font you want for every document class. regards Uwe But in some environments (chapter, section, subsection), they are always in SansSerif? Do you mean the standard environment? WAS
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Am 13.10.2010 04:47, schrieb Waluyo Adi Siswanto: But in some environments (chapter, section, subsection), they are always in SansSerif? Yes, but in the font you selected. You can select the font for sans serif in the LyX document settings. The default font is ComputerModern as described in the LyX UserGuide. regards Uwe
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Hi Uwe, Thank you for getting back to me. I'm sorry if if my inquiry sounds stupid. (I will concede that it is mildly dense.) Even so, I'm trying to track down which fonts the different packages use without making any modifications. I know that it is very easy to change the font to an alternative either using a package, or if you use xetex, through fontspec. But, not all of the classes use Computer Modern as the default typeface. (Yes, the majority do). The Tufte classes, for example, make use of Palotino/Helvetica/Bera Mono. For nearly all of the other classes I'm compiling a summary for: standard classes, AMS-LaTeX, Memoir, Beamer, Tufte, etc. I have been able to find an explicit reference that says, The default typeface is computer modern. I have not been able to find this reference for KOMA, and it makes me uneasy to say it without an host of references to back it up. Google has been essentially worthless for tracking the information down. This is what prompted by original question to the group. The default font is ComputerModern as described in the LyX UserGuide. I appreciate this pointer. I finally got frustrated and compiled a sample document and then hacked it open. The embedded fonts were cms (computer modern sans) and cmr (computer modern roman), just like the standard documents. This evidence, taken with what you've offered, make me comfortable that computer modern is indeed the default. Is there anyone who's had a contrary experience? Cheers, Rob
Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Dear LyX-Users, Sorry for spamming the list, but I am scrambling to compile a table on the default formatting for the common LaTeX document classes and I can't seem to find a piece of information. I am hoping that someone on the list may know. What is the default font used for the KOMA-Script classes? I need the actual name. When described in the KOMA-Script manual, they are simply referred to as "serif" and "sans-serif". It appears that they are computer modern, but short of hacking the PDF to locate the embedded font names, I can't seem to confirm it. Does anyone know definitively or know of reference that says? Thanks, Rob
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Am 12.10.2010 20:11, schrieb Rob Oakes: What is the default font used for the KOMA-Script classes? Document classes don't have their own fonts. You can choose a font you want for every document class. regards Uwe
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
> Document classes don't have their own fonts. You can choose a font you want > for every document class. > > regards Uwe > But in some environments (chapter, section, subsection), they are always in SansSerif? Do you mean the standard environment? WAS
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Am 13.10.2010 04:47, schrieb Waluyo Adi Siswanto: But in some environments (chapter, section, subsection), they are always in SansSerif? Yes, but in the font you selected. You can select the font for sans serif in the LyX document settings. The default font is ComputerModern as described in the LyX UserGuide. regards Uwe
Re: Default Fonts in KOMA-Script
Hi Uwe, Thank you for getting back to me. I'm sorry if if my inquiry sounds stupid. (I will concede that it is mildly dense.) Even so, I'm trying to track down which fonts the different packages use without making any modifications. I know that it is very easy to change the font to an alternative either using a package, or if you use xetex, through fontspec. But, not all of the classes use Computer Modern as the default typeface. (Yes, the majority do). The Tufte classes, for example, make use of Palotino/Helvetica/Bera Mono. For nearly all of the other classes I'm compiling a summary for: standard classes, AMS-LaTeX, Memoir, Beamer, Tufte, etc. I have been able to find an explicit reference that says, "The default typeface is computer modern." I have not been able to find this reference for KOMA, and it makes me uneasy to say it without an host of references to back it up. Google has been essentially worthless for tracking the information down. This is what prompted by original question to the group. > The default font is ComputerModern as described in the LyX UserGuide. I appreciate this pointer. I finally got frustrated and compiled a sample document and then hacked it open. The embedded fonts were cms (computer modern sans) and cmr (computer modern roman), just like the standard documents. This evidence, taken with what you've offered, make me comfortable that computer modern is indeed the default. Is there anyone who's had a contrary experience? Cheers, Rob
Re: Default fonts
On 2010-05-13, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Andrew Parsloe wrote: Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? Actually, LyX does not set any default but leaves this to LaTeX. OTOH, LyX does set the LaTeX font encoding to T1 (configurable in ToolsPreferences) which results in the CM fonts beeing substituted by either CM-Super (if installed) or EC bitmap fonts. I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? The reason is that default means whatever the current document class declares default. And that isn't necessarily Computer Modern (so we are not supposed to hardcode a specific default font). However, as Templates do set the document class, LyX could set DocumentSettingsFonts to Latin Modern in all templates where the document class is known not to include font settings. Günter
Re: Default fonts
On 2010-05-13, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Andrew Parsloe wrote: Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? Actually, LyX does not set any default but leaves this to LaTeX. OTOH, LyX does set the LaTeX font encoding to T1 (configurable in ToolsPreferences) which results in the CM fonts beeing substituted by either CM-Super (if installed) or EC bitmap fonts. I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? The reason is that default means whatever the current document class declares default. And that isn't necessarily Computer Modern (so we are not supposed to hardcode a specific default font). However, as Templates do set the document class, LyX could set DocumentSettingsFonts to Latin Modern in all templates where the document class is known not to include font settings. Günter
Re: Default fonts
On 2010-05-13, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Andrew Parsloe wrote: >> Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts >> are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for >> that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason >> for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? Actually, LyX does not set any default but leaves this to LaTeX. OTOH, LyX does set the LaTeX font encoding to "T1" (configurable in Tools>Preferences) which results in the CM fonts beeing substituted by either CM-Super (if installed) or EC bitmap fonts. >> I know it is a simple matter to change them from the >> Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of >> Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? > The reason is that "default" means whatever the current document class > declares "default". And that isn't necessarily Computer Modern (so we > are not supposed to hardcode a specific "default" font). However, as Templates do set the document class, LyX could set Document>Settings>Fonts to Latin Modern in all templates where the document class is known not to include font settings. Günter
Re: Default fonts
Andrew Parsloe wrote: Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? The reason is that default means whatever the current document class declares default. And that isn't necessarily Computer Modern (so we are not supposed to hardcode a specific default font). Jürgen
Re: Default fonts
On 5/13/2010 12:28 AM, Andrew Parsloe wrote: Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? FWIW, you can set up a document with Latin Modern fonts and use the Save as Document Defaults button in the document setting dialog. If, like me, you create new documents with Ctrl-N or File New and then go into the document settings dialog to select the document class (rather than using templates), you'll find the fonts defaulting to Latin Modern. /Paul
Re: Default fonts
Andrew Parsloe wrote: Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? The reason is that default means whatever the current document class declares default. And that isn't necessarily Computer Modern (so we are not supposed to hardcode a specific default font). Jürgen
Re: Default fonts
On 5/13/2010 12:28 AM, Andrew Parsloe wrote: Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? FWIW, you can set up a document with Latin Modern fonts and use the Save as Document Defaults button in the document setting dialog. If, like me, you create new documents with Ctrl-N or File New and then go into the document settings dialog to select the document class (rather than using templates), you'll find the fonts defaulting to Latin Modern. /Paul
Re: Default fonts
Andrew Parsloe wrote: > Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts > are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for > that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason > for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? I know > it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts > screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that > should be the default font family in LyX? The reason is that "default" means whatever the current document class declares "default". And that isn't necessarily Computer Modern (so we are not supposed to hardcode a specific "default" font). Jürgen
Re: Default fonts
On 5/13/2010 12:28 AM, Andrew Parsloe wrote: Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? FWIW, you can set up a document with Latin Modern fonts and use the "Save as Document Defaults" button in the document setting dialog. If, like me, you create new documents with Ctrl-N or File > New and then go into the document settings dialog to select the document class (rather than using templates), you'll find the fonts defaulting to Latin Modern. /Paul
Default fonts
Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? Andrew Parsloe
Default fonts
Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? Andrew Parsloe
Default fonts
Having recently discovered just how much clearer the Latin Modern fonts are in Acrobat Reader compared with the Computer Modern fonts, and for that matter how much crisper they are when printed, is there any reason for LyX defaulting to Computer Modern rather than Latin Modern? I know it is a simple matter to change them from the Document/Settings/Fonts screen but given the much crisper look of Latin Modern surely that should be the default font family in LyX? Andrew Parsloe
Re: Changing default fonts.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 12:21:52 am Doug Laidlaw wrote: I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them all. Doug. I am getting around this by editing every quotation and footnote as I go along. Doug.
Re: Changing default fonts.
On Wednesday 18 February 2009 10:08:53 am Doug Laidlaw wrote: On Sunday 08 February 2009 12:21:52 am Doug Laidlaw wrote: I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them all. Doug. I am getting around this by editing every quotation and footnote as I go along. Doug. Hi Doug, I'm really sorry I didn't answer your Feb 8 question -- it must have slipped by me. Next time, modify the environment used in quotations and footnotes. That way they'll all look the way your publisher wants. I can't talk you through exactly how to do it, but there's plenty of doucmentation on the subject, and if you have a lot of quotations and footnotes, spending a day or two changing the enviornments would be easier than changing every instance. See this as a starting place: http://www.troubleshooters.cxm/linux/lyx/index.htm SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US
Re: Changing default fonts.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 12:21:52 am Doug Laidlaw wrote: I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them all. Doug. I am getting around this by editing every quotation and footnote as I go along. Doug.
Re: Changing default fonts.
On Wednesday 18 February 2009 10:08:53 am Doug Laidlaw wrote: On Sunday 08 February 2009 12:21:52 am Doug Laidlaw wrote: I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them all. Doug. I am getting around this by editing every quotation and footnote as I go along. Doug. Hi Doug, I'm really sorry I didn't answer your Feb 8 question -- it must have slipped by me. Next time, modify the environment used in quotations and footnotes. That way they'll all look the way your publisher wants. I can't talk you through exactly how to do it, but there's plenty of doucmentation on the subject, and if you have a lot of quotations and footnotes, spending a day or two changing the enviornments would be easier than changing every instance. See this as a starting place: http://www.troubleshooters.cxm/linux/lyx/index.htm SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US
Re: Changing default fonts.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 12:21:52 am Doug Laidlaw wrote: > I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in > LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he > disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be > in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem > to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune > these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them > all. > > Doug. I am getting around this by editing every quotation and footnote as I go along. Doug.
Re: Changing default fonts.
On Wednesday 18 February 2009 10:08:53 am Doug Laidlaw wrote: > On Sunday 08 February 2009 12:21:52 am Doug Laidlaw wrote: > > I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written > > in LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But > > he disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs > > should be in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, > > and URLs seem to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place > > to fine-tune these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now > > than edit them all. > > > > Doug. > > I am getting around this by editing every quotation and footnote as I go > along. > > Doug. Hi Doug, I'm really sorry I didn't answer your Feb 8 question -- it must have slipped by me. Next time, modify the environment used in quotations and footnotes. That way they'll all look the way your publisher wants. I can't talk you through exactly how to do it, but there's plenty of doucmentation on the subject, and if you have a lot of quotations and footnotes, spending a day or two changing the enviornments would be easier than changing every instance. See this as a starting place: http://www.troubleshooters.cxm/linux/lyx/index.htm SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US
Changing default fonts.
I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them all. Doug.
Re: Changing default fonts.
Doug Laidlaw wrote:
I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in
LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he
disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be
in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem
to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune
these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them
all.
Yes, both can be customized in the Preamble.
1. URL:
\...@ifundefined{selectfont}{%
\def\UrlFont{\it}}
{\def\UrlFont{\rmfamily\itshape}
}
2. Quotations:
\newcommand*{\OriginalQuote}{}
\let\OriginalQuote\quote
\renewcommand*{\quote}{\OriginalQuote\itshape}
\newcommand*{\OriginalQuotation}{}
\let\OriginalQuotation\quotation
\renewcommand*{\quotation}{\OriginalQuotation\itshape}
Jürgen
Changing default fonts.
I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them all. Doug.
Re: Changing default fonts.
Doug Laidlaw wrote:
I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in
LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he
disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be
in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem
to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune
these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them
all.
Yes, both can be customized in the Preamble.
1. URL:
\...@ifundefined{selectfont}{%
\def\UrlFont{\it}}
{\def\UrlFont{\rmfamily\itshape}
}
2. Quotations:
\newcommand*{\OriginalQuote}{}
\let\OriginalQuote\quote
\renewcommand*{\quote}{\OriginalQuote\itshape}
\newcommand*{\OriginalQuotation}{}
\let\OriginalQuotation\quotation
\renewcommand*{\quotation}{\OriginalQuotation\itshape}
Jürgen
Changing default fonts.
I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them all. Doug.
Re: Changing default fonts.
Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> I am writing a book. I sent my publisher a sample of what I had written in
> LyX (using the koma book template,) and he likes the appearance. But he
> disagrees with some fonts. He tells me that quotations and URLs should be
> in italics. Quotations are in default font like blockquotes, and URLs seem
> to be in a Courier-style font. I can see no obvious place to fine-tune
> these. Can it be done? I would rather modify the setup now than edit them
> all.
Yes, both can be customized in the Preamble.
1. URL:
\...@ifundefined{selectfont}{%
\def\UrlFont{\it}}
{\def\UrlFont{\rmfamily\itshape}
}
2. Quotations:
\newcommand*{\OriginalQuote}{}
\let\OriginalQuote\quote
\renewcommand*{\quote}{\OriginalQuote\itshape}
\newcommand*{\OriginalQuotation}{}
\let\OriginalQuotation\quotation
\renewcommand*{\quotation}{\OriginalQuotation\itshape}
Jürgen
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: printing: low quality with default fonts Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:16:45 +0200 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry I do not have more ideas... JMarc Thank you very much for the help anyway. Any suggestions as to where I can try to find an answer to this, or what I could try? I have tried copying parts of the dvips and psfonts.map files used by the Linux machines at the University (with not changes). Would if be worth to reinstall LaTex, and try specifying some other printers? You don't need to reinstall: dvips offers an option to do this on line dvips -mode xxx as fas as I remember. Check the doc to find out how to get the available xxx modes. -- Jean-Pierre
Re: How to change the default fonts?
On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jacobo Myerston wrote: How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article? Select Layout - Document. Here you can change the default language as well as the default font. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan E. Schlierf M.A. - Product Management - PHONE: ++49 9254 960632 FAX:++49 9254 960159 CSE GmbH Germany
Re: How to change the default fonts?
"Stephan E. Schlierf" wrote: On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jacobo Myerston wrote: How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article? Select Layout - Document. Here you can change the default language as well as the default font. I have the same problem. But when i change the language and the font, every time I restart lyx it´s gone. Even if I save the changes. What´s wrong? Tina
Re: How to change the default fonts?
"Tina" == Tina Bermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tina "Stephan E. Schlierf" wrote: On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jacobo Myerston wrote: How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article? Select Layout - Document. Here you can change the default language as well as the default font. Tina I have the same problem. But when i change the language and the Tina font, every time I restart lyx it´s gone. Even if I save the Tina changes. What´s wrong? This is a setting for the current document only. However, if you want this to be the default for all new documents you create later, you should save the setting with Layout-Save_Layout_as_default (or whatever I named it). JMarc
Re: How to change the default fonts?
Hallo Jean-Marc Tina But when i change the language and the Tina font, every time I restart lyx it´s gone. Even if I save the Tina changes. What´s wrong? This is a setting for the current document only. However, if you want this to be the default for all new documents you create later, you should save the setting with Layout-Save_Layout_as_default (or whatever I named it). That´s just what I do. then when I open a new dokument with the same dokument class - the font is not changed. In the Layout-dokument- window you will see: font: helvetica, but the dokument itself will be in helvetica? I can´t understand this. I also have a template for my letters. It is based on letter(german). I changed the font to helvetica, so the dokument will appear with helvetica on the screen and print. When I put some "new" text into the dokument it will appear in times. Also th appendix will be written in times, even when I mark the whole dokument and change the font to helvetica. funny things regards Tina
Re: How to change the default fonts?
"Tina" == Tina Bermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Tina That´s just what I do. then when I open a new dokument with the
Tina same dokument class - the font is not changed. In the
Tina Layout-dokument- window you will see: font: helvetica, but the
Tina dokument itself will be in helvetica? I can´t understand this.
That's a different problem: it happens that the Helvetica setting
replaces the sans serif font of LyX with helvetica, but leaves the
normal serif font unchanged. I agree that this is not intuitive at
all, but our (limited) font support relies on the (limited) psnfss
packages for now.
If you really want to have you whole document in helvetica (not a font
I would choose, but... ;), the following magic incantation in your
latex preamble should help:
\renewcommand{\rmdefault}{phv}
Note that this will not change the look on screen.
JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
Thank you! I'll try that. Ramon You don't need to reinstall: dvips offers an option to do this on line dvips -mode xxx as fas as I remember. Check the doc to find out how to get the available xxx modes. -- Jean-Pierre
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: printing: low quality with default fonts Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:16:45 +0200 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry I do not have more ideas... JMarc Thank you very much for the help anyway. Any suggestions as to where I can try to find an answer to this, or what I could try? I have tried copying parts of the dvips and psfonts.map files used by the Linux machines at the University (with not changes). Would if be worth to reinstall LaTex, and try specifying some other printers? You don't need to reinstall: dvips offers an option to do this on line dvips -mode xxx as fas as I remember. Check the doc to find out how to get the available xxx modes. -- Jean-Pierre
Re: How to change the default fonts?
On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jacobo Myerston wrote: How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article? Select Layout - Document. Here you can change the default language as well as the default font. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan E. Schlierf M.A. - Product Management - PHONE: ++49 9254 960632 FAX:++49 9254 960159 CSE GmbH Germany
Re: How to change the default fonts?
"Stephan E. Schlierf" wrote: On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jacobo Myerston wrote: How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article? Select Layout - Document. Here you can change the default language as well as the default font. I have the same problem. But when i change the language and the font, every time I restart lyx it´s gone. Even if I save the changes. What´s wrong? Tina
Re: How to change the default fonts?
"Tina" == Tina Bermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tina "Stephan E. Schlierf" wrote: On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jacobo Myerston wrote: How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article? Select Layout - Document. Here you can change the default language as well as the default font. Tina I have the same problem. But when i change the language and the Tina font, every time I restart lyx it´s gone. Even if I save the Tina changes. What´s wrong? This is a setting for the current document only. However, if you want this to be the default for all new documents you create later, you should save the setting with Layout-Save_Layout_as_default (or whatever I named it). JMarc
Re: How to change the default fonts?
Hallo Jean-Marc Tina But when i change the language and the Tina font, every time I restart lyx it´s gone. Even if I save the Tina changes. What´s wrong? This is a setting for the current document only. However, if you want this to be the default for all new documents you create later, you should save the setting with Layout-Save_Layout_as_default (or whatever I named it). That´s just what I do. then when I open a new dokument with the same dokument class - the font is not changed. In the Layout-dokument- window you will see: font: helvetica, but the dokument itself will be in helvetica? I can´t understand this. I also have a template for my letters. It is based on letter(german). I changed the font to helvetica, so the dokument will appear with helvetica on the screen and print. When I put some "new" text into the dokument it will appear in times. Also th appendix will be written in times, even when I mark the whole dokument and change the font to helvetica. funny things regards Tina
Re: How to change the default fonts?
"Tina" == Tina Bermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Tina That´s just what I do. then when I open a new dokument with the
Tina same dokument class - the font is not changed. In the
Tina Layout-dokument- window you will see: font: helvetica, but the
Tina dokument itself will be in helvetica? I can´t understand this.
That's a different problem: it happens that the Helvetica setting
replaces the sans serif font of LyX with helvetica, but leaves the
normal serif font unchanged. I agree that this is not intuitive at
all, but our (limited) font support relies on the (limited) psnfss
packages for now.
If you really want to have you whole document in helvetica (not a font
I would choose, but... ;), the following magic incantation in your
latex preamble should help:
\renewcommand{\rmdefault}{phv}
Note that this will not change the look on screen.
JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
Thank you! I'll try that. Ramon You don't need to reinstall: dvips offers an option to do this on line dvips -mode xxx as fas as I remember. Check the doc to find out how to get the available xxx modes. -- Jean-Pierre
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
>>From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: printing: low quality with default fonts >>Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:16:45 +0200 >>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> >>> Sorry I do not have more ideas... >>> >>> JMarc >> >>Thank you very much for the help anyway. Any suggestions as to where I can try >>to find an answer to this, or what I could try? I have tried copying parts >>of the dvips and psfonts.map files used by the Linux machines at the University >>(with not changes). Would if be worth to reinstall LaTex, and try specifying >>some other printers? You don't need to reinstall: dvips offers an option to do this on line dvips -mode xxx as fas as I remember. Check the doc to find out how to get the available xxx modes. -- Jean-Pierre
Re: How to change the default fonts?
On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jacobo Myerston wrote: > How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article? > Select Layout -> Document. Here you can change the default language as well as the default font. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan E. Schlierf M.A. - Product Management - PHONE: ++49 9254 960632 FAX:++49 9254 960159 CSE GmbH Germany
Re: How to change the default fonts?
"Stephan E. Schlierf" wrote: > > On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jacobo Myerston wrote: > > > How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article? > > > > Select Layout -> Document. Here you can change the default language as > well as the default font. > I have the same problem. But when i change the language and the font, every time I restart lyx it´s gone. Even if I save the changes. What´s wrong? Tina
Re: How to change the default fonts?
> "Tina" == Tina Bermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Tina> "Stephan E. Schlierf" wrote: >> On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jacobo Myerston wrote: >> >> > How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class >> article? > >> >> Select Layout -> Document. Here you can change the default language >> as well as the default font. Tina> I have the same problem. But when i change the language and the Tina> font, every time I restart lyx it´s gone. Even if I save the Tina> changes. What´s wrong? This is a setting for the current document only. However, if you want this to be the default for all new documents you create later, you should save the setting with Layout->Save_Layout_as_default (or whatever I named it). JMarc
Re: How to change the default fonts?
Hallo Jean-Marc > Tina> But when i change the language and the > Tina> font, every time I restart lyx it´s gone. Even if I save the > Tina> changes. What´s wrong? > > This is a setting for the current document only. However, if you want > this to be the default for all new documents you create later, you > should save the setting with Layout->Save_Layout_as_default (or > whatever I named it). > That´s just what I do. then when I open a new dokument with the same dokument class - the font is not changed. In the Layout->dokument-> window you will see: font: helvetica, but the dokument itself will be in helvetica? I can´t understand this. I also have a template for my letters. It is based on letter(german). I changed the font to helvetica, so the dokument will appear with helvetica on the screen and print. When I put some "new" text into the dokument it will appear in times. Also th appendix will be written in times, even when I mark the whole dokument and change the font to helvetica. funny things regards Tina
Re: How to change the default fonts?
> "Tina" == Tina Bermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Tina> That´s just what I do. then when I open a new dokument with the
Tina> same dokument class - the font is not changed. In the
Tina> Layout->dokument-> window you will see: font: helvetica, but the
Tina> dokument itself will be in helvetica? I can´t understand this.
That's a different problem: it happens that the Helvetica setting
replaces the sans serif font of LyX with helvetica, but leaves the
normal serif font unchanged. I agree that this is not intuitive at
all, but our (limited) font support relies on the (limited) psnfss
packages for now.
If you really want to have you whole document in helvetica (not a font
I would choose, but... ;), the following magic incantation in your
latex preamble should help:
\renewcommand{\rmdefault}{phv}
Note that this will not change the look on screen.
JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
Thank you! I'll try that. Ramon > You don't need to reinstall: dvips offers an option to do this on line > dvips -mode xxx > as fas as I remember. > Check the doc to find out how to get the available xxx modes. > > -- > Jean-Pierre
How to change the default fonts?
How to change he default laguage and fonts of the class article?
How to change the default fonts?
How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article?
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
Thank you very much! I'll do as you suggest. Ramon On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ramon Thank you very much for the help anyway. Any suggestions as to Ramon where I can try to find an answer to this, or what I could try? Ramon I have tried copying parts of the dvips and psfonts.map files Ramon used by the Linux machines at the University (with not Ramon changes). Would if be worth to reinstall LaTex, and try Ramon specifying some other printers? Try to send a message to the comp.text.tex newsgroup. This is where knowledgeable people are. It is probably better to ask in a pure tex context (let LyX be out of the equation, since it probably does not matter). Give as many details as possible. JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
Sorry I do not have more ideas... JMarc Thank you very much for the help anyway. Any suggestions as to where I can try to find an answer to this, or what I could try? I have tried copying parts of the dvips and psfonts.map files used by the Linux machines at the University (with not changes). Would if be worth to reinstall LaTex, and try specifying some other printers? Thanks Ramon P.S. I am so interested in getting this right because I'll soon be leaving, and will not have access to my departmante's machines, and I wanted to have an option of producing ps files of quality with the default font in my own box.
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
"Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you try to choose a correct metafont mode for your printer? Different printers are known to render the same texts differently, depending on their physical characteristics. Ramon I do think I did (but I might be wrong). I have added my Ramon config.ps at the the end. It looks reasonable. Ramon An old Canon BJ-200. (But is not the printing where things get Ramon messed up; it is in the dvips step; I can print documents in Ramon this printer just fine, if I run dvips in another machine and Ramon then get the document home and print here). Sorry I do not have more ideas... JMarc
How to change the default fonts?
How to change he default laguage and fonts of the class article?
How to change the default fonts?
How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article?
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
Thank you very much! I'll do as you suggest. Ramon On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ramon Thank you very much for the help anyway. Any suggestions as to Ramon where I can try to find an answer to this, or what I could try? Ramon I have tried copying parts of the dvips and psfonts.map files Ramon used by the Linux machines at the University (with not Ramon changes). Would if be worth to reinstall LaTex, and try Ramon specifying some other printers? Try to send a message to the comp.text.tex newsgroup. This is where knowledgeable people are. It is probably better to ask in a pure tex context (let LyX be out of the equation, since it probably does not matter). Give as many details as possible. JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
Sorry I do not have more ideas... JMarc Thank you very much for the help anyway. Any suggestions as to where I can try to find an answer to this, or what I could try? I have tried copying parts of the dvips and psfonts.map files used by the Linux machines at the University (with not changes). Would if be worth to reinstall LaTex, and try specifying some other printers? Thanks Ramon P.S. I am so interested in getting this right because I'll soon be leaving, and will not have access to my departmante's machines, and I wanted to have an option of producing ps files of quality with the default font in my own box.
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
"Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you try to choose a correct metafont mode for your printer? Different printers are known to render the same texts differently, depending on their physical characteristics. Ramon I do think I did (but I might be wrong). I have added my Ramon config.ps at the the end. It looks reasonable. Ramon An old Canon BJ-200. (But is not the printing where things get Ramon messed up; it is in the dvips step; I can print documents in Ramon this printer just fine, if I run dvips in another machine and Ramon then get the document home and print here). Sorry I do not have more ideas... JMarc
How to change the default fonts?
How to change he default laguage and fonts of the class article?
How to change the default fonts?
How can I change the default laguage and fonts of the class article?
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
Thank you very much! I'll do as you suggest. Ramon On Wed, 10 May 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ramon> Thank you very much for the help anyway. Any suggestions as to > Ramon> where I can try to find an answer to this, or what I could try? > Ramon> I have tried copying parts of the dvips and psfonts.map files > Ramon> used by the Linux machines at the University (with not > Ramon> changes). Would if be worth to reinstall LaTex, and try > Ramon> specifying some other printers? > > Try to send a message to the comp.text.tex newsgroup. This is where > knowledgeable people are. It is probably better to ask in a pure tex > context (let LyX be out of the equation, since it probably does not > matter). Give as many details as possible. > > JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
> > Sorry I do not have more ideas... > > JMarc Thank you very much for the help anyway. Any suggestions as to where I can try to find an answer to this, or what I could try? I have tried copying parts of the dvips and psfonts.map files used by the Linux machines at the University (with not changes). Would if be worth to reinstall LaTex, and try specifying some other printers? Thanks Ramon P.S. I am so interested in getting this right because I'll soon be leaving, and will not have access to my departmante's machines, and I wanted to have an option of producing ps files of quality with the default font in my own box.
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
> "Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Did you try to choose a correct metafont mode for your printer? >> Different printers are known to render the same texts differently, >> depending on their physical characteristics. Ramon> I do think I did (but I might be wrong). I have added my Ramon> config.ps at the the end. It looks reasonable. Ramon> An old Canon BJ-200. (But is not the printing where things get Ramon> messed up; it is in the dvips step; I can print documents in Ramon> this printer just fine, if I run dvips in another machine and Ramon> then get the document home and print here). Sorry I do not have more ideas... JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
"Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ramon I am having trouble printing with the default font (but NOT Ramon other fonts, such as palatino). The printed quality of the Ramon documents I generate in my Linux box (tex-dvi-ps) is lower Ramon than the quality of the same tex file, printed at home too, but Ramon processed in my department's Linux machines. The differences Ramon are: - fonts are "thicker"; - fonts are compressed vertically Did you try to choose a correct metafont mode for your printer? Different printers are known to render the same texts differently, depending on their physical characteristics. Ramon The weird thing is that if I save the document as LaTeX, and Ramon then use pdflatex, I don't see any problem (i.e., I get good Ramon quality output)! I guess pdflatex uses postscript fonts, doesn't it? What is your printer, BTW? JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
On Tue, 09 May 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ramon I am having trouble printing with the default font (but NOT
Ramon other fonts, such as palatino). The printed quality of the
Ramon documents I generate in my Linux box (tex-dvi-ps) is lower
Ramon than the quality of the same tex file, printed at home too, but
Ramon processed in my department's Linux machines. The differences
Ramon are: - fonts are "thicker"; - fonts are compressed vertically
Did you try to choose a correct metafont mode for your printer?
Different printers are known to render the same texts differently,
depending on their physical characteristics.
I do think I did (but I might be wrong). I have added my config.ps at the the
end.
Ramon The weird thing is that if I save the document as LaTeX, and
Ramon then use pdflatex, I don't see any problem (i.e., I get good
Ramon quality output)!
I guess pdflatex uses postscript fonts, doesn't it?
What is your printer, BTW?
An old Canon BJ-200. (But is not the printing where things get messed up; it is
in the dvips step; I can print documents in this printer just fine, if I run
dvips in another machine and then get the document home and print here).
JMarc
*
% teTeX's config.ps. Thomas Esser, 1998, public domain.
% Memory available. Download the three-line PostScript file:
% %! Hey, we're PostScript
% /Times-Roman findfont 30 scalefont setfont 144 432 moveto
% vmstatus exch sub 40 string cvs show pop showpage
% to determine this number. (It will be the only thing printed.)
m 350
% How to print, maybe with lp instead lpr, etc. If commented-out, output
% will go into a file by default.
o
% Default resolution of this device, in dots per inch.
D 360
X 360
Y 360
% Metafont mode. (This is completely different from the -M command-line
% option, which controls whether MakeTeXPK is invoked.) Get
% @url{ftp://ftp.tug.org/tex/modes.mf} for a list of mode names. This mode
% and the D number above must agree, or MakeTeXPK will get confused.
M bjtzzex
% Also look for this list of resolutions.
R 300 600
% Correct printer offset. You can use testpage.tex from the LaTeX
% distribution to find these numbers.
O 0pt,0pt
% With a high resolution and a RISC cpu, better to compress the bitmaps.
% PS files are much more compact, but can sometimes cause trouble.
Z
% Partially download Type 1 fonts by default. Only reason not to do
% this is if you encounter bugs. (Please report them to
% @email{tex-k@@mail.tug.org} if you do.)
j
% Configuration of postscript type 1 fonts:
p psfonts.map
% This shows how to add your own map file.
% Remove the comment and adjust the name:
% p +myfonts.map
@ letterSize 8.5in 11in
@ a4 210mm 297mm
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: a4
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: a4
@+ a4
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ A4size 210mm 297mm
@+ %%PaperSize: A4
@ letter 8.5in 11in
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Letter
@+ letter
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ legal 8.5in 14in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Legal
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Legal
@+ legal
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ ledger 17in 11in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Ledger
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Ledger
@+ ledger
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ tabloid 11in 17in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Tabloid
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Tabloid
@+ 11x17
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ a3 297mm 420mm
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: a3
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: a3
@+ a3
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ unknown 0in 0in
@+ statusdict /setpageparams known { hsize vsize 0 1 statusdict begin {
@+ setpageparams } stopped end } { true } ifelse { statusdict /setpage known
@+ { hsize vsize 1 statusdict begin { setpage } stopped pop end } if } if
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
"Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ramon I am having trouble printing with the default font (but NOT Ramon other fonts, such as palatino). The printed quality of the Ramon documents I generate in my Linux box (tex-dvi-ps) is lower Ramon than the quality of the same tex file, printed at home too, but Ramon processed in my department's Linux machines. The differences Ramon are: - fonts are "thicker"; - fonts are compressed vertically Did you try to choose a correct metafont mode for your printer? Different printers are known to render the same texts differently, depending on their physical characteristics. Ramon The weird thing is that if I save the document as LaTeX, and Ramon then use pdflatex, I don't see any problem (i.e., I get good Ramon quality output)! I guess pdflatex uses postscript fonts, doesn't it? What is your printer, BTW? JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
On Tue, 09 May 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ramon I am having trouble printing with the default font (but NOT
Ramon other fonts, such as palatino). The printed quality of the
Ramon documents I generate in my Linux box (tex-dvi-ps) is lower
Ramon than the quality of the same tex file, printed at home too, but
Ramon processed in my department's Linux machines. The differences
Ramon are: - fonts are "thicker"; - fonts are compressed vertically
Did you try to choose a correct metafont mode for your printer?
Different printers are known to render the same texts differently,
depending on their physical characteristics.
I do think I did (but I might be wrong). I have added my config.ps at the the
end.
Ramon The weird thing is that if I save the document as LaTeX, and
Ramon then use pdflatex, I don't see any problem (i.e., I get good
Ramon quality output)!
I guess pdflatex uses postscript fonts, doesn't it?
What is your printer, BTW?
An old Canon BJ-200. (But is not the printing where things get messed up; it is
in the dvips step; I can print documents in this printer just fine, if I run
dvips in another machine and then get the document home and print here).
JMarc
*
% teTeX's config.ps. Thomas Esser, 1998, public domain.
% Memory available. Download the three-line PostScript file:
% %! Hey, we're PostScript
% /Times-Roman findfont 30 scalefont setfont 144 432 moveto
% vmstatus exch sub 40 string cvs show pop showpage
% to determine this number. (It will be the only thing printed.)
m 350
% How to print, maybe with lp instead lpr, etc. If commented-out, output
% will go into a file by default.
o
% Default resolution of this device, in dots per inch.
D 360
X 360
Y 360
% Metafont mode. (This is completely different from the -M command-line
% option, which controls whether MakeTeXPK is invoked.) Get
% @url{ftp://ftp.tug.org/tex/modes.mf} for a list of mode names. This mode
% and the D number above must agree, or MakeTeXPK will get confused.
M bjtzzex
% Also look for this list of resolutions.
R 300 600
% Correct printer offset. You can use testpage.tex from the LaTeX
% distribution to find these numbers.
O 0pt,0pt
% With a high resolution and a RISC cpu, better to compress the bitmaps.
% PS files are much more compact, but can sometimes cause trouble.
Z
% Partially download Type 1 fonts by default. Only reason not to do
% this is if you encounter bugs. (Please report them to
% @email{tex-k@@mail.tug.org} if you do.)
j
% Configuration of postscript type 1 fonts:
p psfonts.map
% This shows how to add your own map file.
% Remove the comment and adjust the name:
% p +myfonts.map
@ letterSize 8.5in 11in
@ a4 210mm 297mm
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: a4
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: a4
@+ a4
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ A4size 210mm 297mm
@+ %%PaperSize: A4
@ letter 8.5in 11in
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Letter
@+ letter
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ legal 8.5in 14in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Legal
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Legal
@+ legal
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ ledger 17in 11in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Ledger
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Ledger
@+ ledger
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ tabloid 11in 17in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Tabloid
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Tabloid
@+ 11x17
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ a3 297mm 420mm
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: a3
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: a3
@+ a3
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ unknown 0in 0in
@+ statusdict /setpageparams known { hsize vsize 0 1 statusdict begin {
@+ setpageparams } stopped end } { true } ifelse { statusdict /setpage known
@+ { hsize vsize 1 statusdict begin { setpage } stopped pop end } if } if
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
> "Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ramon> I am having trouble printing with the default font (but NOT Ramon> other fonts, such as palatino). The printed quality of the Ramon> documents I generate in my Linux box (tex->dvi->ps) is lower Ramon> than the quality of the same tex file, printed at home too, but Ramon> processed in my department's Linux machines. The differences Ramon> are: - fonts are "thicker"; - fonts are compressed vertically Did you try to choose a correct metafont mode for your printer? Different printers are known to render the same texts differently, depending on their physical characteristics. Ramon> The weird thing is that if I save the document as LaTeX, and Ramon> then use pdflatex, I don't see any problem (i.e., I get good Ramon> quality output)! I guess pdflatex uses postscript fonts, doesn't it? What is your printer, BTW? JMarc
Re: printing: low quality with default fonts
On Tue, 09 May 2000, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Ramon" == Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Ramon> I am having trouble printing with the default font (but NOT
> Ramon> other fonts, such as palatino). The printed quality of the
> Ramon> documents I generate in my Linux box (tex->dvi->ps) is lower
> Ramon> than the quality of the same tex file, printed at home too, but
> Ramon> processed in my department's Linux machines. The differences
> Ramon> are: - fonts are "thicker"; - fonts are compressed vertically
>
> Did you try to choose a correct metafont mode for your printer?
> Different printers are known to render the same texts differently,
> depending on their physical characteristics.
I do think I did (but I might be wrong). I have added my config.ps at the the
end.
>
> Ramon> The weird thing is that if I save the document as LaTeX, and
> Ramon> then use pdflatex, I don't see any problem (i.e., I get good
> Ramon> quality output)!
>
> I guess pdflatex uses postscript fonts, doesn't it?
>
> What is your printer, BTW?
An old Canon BJ-200. (But is not the printing where things get messed up; it is
in the dvips step; I can print documents in this printer just fine, if I run
dvips in another machine and then get the document home and print here).
>
> JMarc
*
% teTeX's config.ps. Thomas Esser, 1998, public domain.
% Memory available. Download the three-line PostScript file:
% %! Hey, we're PostScript
% /Times-Roman findfont 30 scalefont setfont 144 432 moveto
% vmstatus exch sub 40 string cvs show pop showpage
% to determine this number. (It will be the only thing printed.)
m 350
% How to print, maybe with lp instead lpr, etc. If commented-out, output
% will go into a file by default.
o
% Default resolution of this device, in dots per inch.
D 360
X 360
Y 360
% Metafont mode. (This is completely different from the -M command-line
% option, which controls whether MakeTeXPK is invoked.) Get
% @url{ftp://ftp.tug.org/tex/modes.mf} for a list of mode names. This mode
% and the D number above must agree, or MakeTeXPK will get confused.
M bjtzzex
% Also look for this list of resolutions.
R 300 600
% Correct printer offset. You can use testpage.tex from the LaTeX
% distribution to find these numbers.
O 0pt,0pt
% With a high resolution and a RISC cpu, better to compress the bitmaps.
% PS files are much more compact, but can sometimes cause trouble.
Z
% Partially download Type 1 fonts by default. Only reason not to do
% this is if you encounter bugs. (Please report them to
% @email{tex-k@@mail.tug.org} if you do.)
j
% Configuration of postscript type 1 fonts:
p psfonts.map
% This shows how to add your own map file.
% Remove the comment and adjust the name:
% p +myfonts.map
@ letterSize 8.5in 11in
@ a4 210mm 297mm
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: a4
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: a4
@+ a4
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ A4size 210mm 297mm
@+ %%PaperSize: A4
@ letter 8.5in 11in
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Letter
@+ letter
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ legal 8.5in 14in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Legal
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Legal
@+ legal
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ ledger 17in 11in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Ledger
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Ledger
@+ ledger
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ tabloid 11in 17in
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: Tabloid
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: Tabloid
@+ 11x17
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ a3 297mm 420mm
@+ ! %%DocumentPaperSizes: a3
@+ %%BeginPaperSize: a3
@+ a3
@+ %%EndPaperSize
@ unknown 0in 0in
@+ statusdict /setpageparams known { hsize vsize 0 1 statusdict begin {
@+ setpageparams } stopped end } { true } ifelse { statusdict /setpage known
@+ { hsize vsize 1 statusdict begin { setpage } stopped pop end } if } if
