Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian Hi, I wrote my PhD with LyX (that was 1.2 and early 1.3 at that time). Then I used it for some technical documentation at my previous company (1 file) and at my current company (I have 4 LyX 1.6 documents under work at present). I also wrote one course I gave to students many years ago with LyX, and for fun, I once started to transfer some old role-playing-game rules I wrote in the 80s-90s to LyX... so that would only be 8 :-( On the following page: http://www-optics.unine.ch/publications/theses.html You can find at least 3 PhD theses written with LyX: I convinced Manuel Bouvier (Diffractive liquid crystals optical elements) and Frédéric Gonté (Applications of Optical Wavefront Modulation with Deformable Membrane Mirrors) to use LyX. Mine is Far-field beam shaping elements for deep UV lithography (very little scientific value, but I'm proud of the layout ;-) ). We used a mix of LyX under linux and LyX under Windows (that was hard at that time, it was using an Xserver and many features were not fully working on Windows). Other theses listed on that page were using LaTeX or Word. Best regards, Olivier
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Friday 24 October 2008, Christian Ridderström wrote: Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Christian, I think that would be far fewer than for many users. A quick search (find . -name \*lyx |wc -l) of just one of the four computers I use frequently with LyX gives a count of 348. I have been using LyX for at least seven years, and have probably used it for well over 1000 documents, ranging from one-page memos to reports and books over 400 pages, as well as quite a few presentations. I'm sure I have used LyX for at least 20 documents over 100 pages in length. -- Les ~~ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian Hi, I wrote my PhD with LyX (that was 1.2 and early 1.3 at that time). Then I used it for some technical documentation at my previous company (1 file) and at my current company (I have 4 LyX 1.6 documents under work at present). I also wrote one course I gave to students many years ago with LyX, and for fun, I once started to transfer some old role-playing-game rules I wrote in the 80s-90s to LyX... so that would only be 8 :-( On the following page: http://www-optics.unine.ch/publications/theses.html You can find at least 3 PhD theses written with LyX: I convinced Manuel Bouvier (Diffractive liquid crystals optical elements) and Frédéric Gonté (Applications of Optical Wavefront Modulation with Deformable Membrane Mirrors) to use LyX. Mine is Far-field beam shaping elements for deep UV lithography (very little scientific value, but I'm proud of the layout ;-) ). We used a mix of LyX under linux and LyX under Windows (that was hard at that time, it was using an Xserver and many features were not fully working on Windows). Other theses listed on that page were using LaTeX or Word. Best regards, Olivier
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Friday 24 October 2008, Christian Ridderström wrote: Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Christian, I think that would be far fewer than for many users. A quick search (find . -name \*lyx |wc -l) of just one of the four computers I use frequently with LyX gives a count of 348. I have been using LyX for at least seven years, and have probably used it for well over 1000 documents, ranging from one-page memos to reports and books over 400 pages, as well as quite a few presentations. I'm sure I have used LyX for at least 20 documents over 100 pages in length. -- Les ~~ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Christian Ridderström wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote:
I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of
dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers
Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using
LyX?
I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations
created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has
hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared
with LyX.
Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list?
Interesting,
/Christian
Hi,
I wrote my PhD with LyX (that was 1.2 and early 1.3 at that time). Then
I used it for some technical documentation at my previous company (1
file) and at my current company (I have 4 LyX 1.6 documents under work
at present). I also wrote one course I gave to students many years ago
with LyX, and for fun, I once started to transfer some old
role-playing-game rules I wrote in the 80s-90s to LyX... so that would
only be 8 :-(
On the following page:
http://www-optics.unine.ch/publications/theses.html
You can find at least 3 PhD theses written with LyX:
I convinced Manuel Bouvier ("Diffractive liquid crystals optical
elements") and Frédéric Gonté ("Applications of Optical Wavefront
Modulation with Deformable Membrane Mirrors") to use LyX. Mine is
"Far-field beam shaping elements for deep UV lithography" (very little
scientific value, but I'm proud of the layout ;-) ).
We used a mix of LyX under linux and LyX under Windows (that was hard at
that time, it was using an Xserver and many features were not fully
working on Windows).
Other theses listed on that page were using LaTeX or Word.
Best regards,
Olivier
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Friday 24 October 2008, Christian Ridderström wrote: > Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using > LyX? > > I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations > created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has > hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared > with LyX. Christian, I think that would be far fewer than for many users. A quick search (find . -name \*lyx |wc -l) of just one of the four computers I use frequently with LyX gives a count of 348. I have been using LyX for at least seven years, and have probably used it for well over 1000 documents, ranging from one-page memos to reports and books over 400 pages, as well as quite a few presentations. I'm sure I have used LyX for at least 20 documents over 100 pages in length. -- Les ~~ Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On 25/10/2008 00:17, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. I've written tens of technical documents, training course and teaching materials and a PhD thesis; I am not counting letters. I guess most LyX developers are at least in the same league. Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... So, I am pretty sure that 'hundreds of documents' is a vast under-estimate. We are most probably talking about hundreds of documents per year just in France. I guess that you can multiply this number by three or four in Germany... Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? I also always wanted to know. But that won't count gmane or nabble users (like me). Web traffic is also a good indication. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel.LyXGeography Abdel.
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Abdel, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... How would you go about convincing French professors (or students) that LyX is a tool that deserves attention? Perhaps you have some links to (good) French-language documentation for beginners? I was once confronted with this, and got stuck; at least in my Social Sciences university people finding out that I use something different from MS Word (or at worst OpenOffice) wide-open their eyes. Thank you, Liviu
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
In economics and mathematics in France, I have many colleagues who know very well Latex but anly a few of them have ever heard about LyX before I have asked them the question. Even myself, I have been following the development LyX for years, without switching to it (I was using pure LateX and Scientific Word). LyX has really become a powerful platform now, I think it deserves much more publicity. I have a small blog where I advise tools around Latex and friends. It is mainly used by students. I am waiting the final version of LyX 1.6 to post a presentation of it, since I consider now that it has become the most powerful LaTeX editor, wit a lot of advantages over the competition. Regards, Murat 2008/10/25 Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 25/10/2008 11:49, Liviu Andronic wrote: Abdel, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Abdelrazak Younes[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... How would you go about convincing French professors (or students) that LyX is a tool that deserves attention? Well, in French engineer schools a lot of professors and students know already about LateX and LyX, I don't know the situation in university to tell you the truth. Perhaps you have some links to (good) French-language documentation for beginners? Not really, sorry. Abdel. -- *** NEW UNIVERSITY, NEW ADDRESS ! *** Prof. Murat Yildizoglu Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3) GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579) Centre de la Vieille Charité 2, rue de la Charité 13236 Marseille cedex 02 Bureau 320 Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau) Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html __
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On 25/10/2008 11:49, Liviu Andronic wrote: Abdel, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Abdelrazak Younes[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... How would you go about convincing French professors (or students) that LyX is a tool that deserves attention? Well, in French engineer schools a lot of professors and students know already about LateX and LyX, I don't know the situation in university to tell you the truth. Perhaps you have some links to (good) French-language documentation for beginners? Not really, sorry. Abdel.
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Nikos Alexandris wrote: On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 00:17 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian Now let me ask: how do you cite LyX? Perhaps by referring to http://www.lyx.org? According to Google that's the answer I got when asking in 2003... time flies. It would be nice with a better answer though. regards /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: Hi Mike of activities). In that time, I wrote two refereed journal papers and part of the concept study that led to the $100M+ mission. Way cool. keep a watchful eye on things), so I don't know how lyx's popularity has grown, but I'm fairly confident that hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers is probably not a bad guess, and very unlikely to be an over-estimate. I definitely agree it's unlikely to be an over-estimate. My question is rather how much of an under-estimate it is. Take it for what you will. The point to the original poster was that LyX and LaTeX are powerful, well-used tools, and the difficulties he was having are likely in his setup or with his expectations. I agree, and I think your point was very politely and nicely phrased, especially given the original posters language. Sincere regards, Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
2008/10/25 Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are most certainly right for economics and mathematics students. But French engineer school students have a (deserved) reputation of laziness; so the first thing they would do when they are confronted to LateX is to look for a Wysiwig interface to it. The first item in google when you look for 'latex wysiwyg' is of course LyX :-) I can imagine this :-) I have a small blog where I advise tools around Latex and friends. That's interesting, do you have a link? Here is the address of the blog. It is a small and slow developing blog: http://yildizoglu.blogspot.com/ Abdel. Murat -- *** NEW UNIVERSITY, NEW ADDRESS ! *** Prof. Murat Yildizoglu Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3) GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579) Centre de la Vieille Charité 2, rue de la Charité 13236 Marseille cedex 02 Bureau 320 Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau) Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html __
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On 25/10/2008 13:06, Murat Yildizoglu wrote: In economics and mathematics in France, I have many colleagues who know very well Latex but anly a few of them have ever heard about LyX before I have asked them the question. Even myself, I have been following the development LyX for years, without switching to it (I was using pure LateX and Scientific Word). LyX has really become a powerful platform now, I think it deserves much more publicity. You are most certainly right for economics and mathematics students. But French engineer school students have a (deserved) reputation of laziness; so the first thing they would do when they are confronted to LateX is to look for a Wysiwig interface to it. The first item in google when you look for 'latex wysiwyg' is of course LyX :-) I have a small blog where I advise tools around Latex and friends. That's interesting, do you have a link? It is mainly used by students. I am waiting the final version of LyX 1.6 to post a presentation of it, since I consider now that it has become the most powerful LaTeX editor, wit a lot of advantages over the competition. I agree ;-) Abdel.
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Friday 24 October 2008 06:17:34 pm Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I don't know how scholarly my books are, but I've written the following books in LyX: * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist (309 pages) * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting (201 pages) * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting (221 pages) * Troubleshooting: Just the Facts (82 pages) * Rapid Learning for the 21st Century (136 pages) * Learn Vim Tonight (94 pages) Some of my earlier books were written in WordPerfect and MS Word, but once I discovered LyX, all further books were written in LyX. SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 13:33 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Nikos Alexandris wrote: On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 00:17 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian Now let me ask: how do you cite LyX? Perhaps by referring to http://www.lyx.org? According to Google that's the answer I got when asking in 2003... time flies. It would be nice with a better answer though. regards /Christian I have put that in my last document, in the very end of it: This article was prepared using LyX (version 1.6.0rc3), a powerful free and open source document processing application. More information at http://www.lyx.org Regards, Nikos
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Apparently I've been using LyX since '03. I've got 300+ LyX docs relating to teaching (notes, exams, slide shows, handouts), but this might be a bit inflated since I put each chapter/lesson in a separate file, rather than compiling a book. On the scholarly output side, I've got something like five journal articles and a couple of encyclopedia chapters (short articles) written with LyX. Plus I use it for a few personal sorts of documents (such as my c.v.). Other than Firefox and Thunderbird, this is probably the open-source program I use most often. (Tied with MiKTeX, I guess.) Props to all the developers, past and present. /Paul
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On 25/10/2008 00:17, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. I've written tens of technical documents, training course and teaching materials and a PhD thesis; I am not counting letters. I guess most LyX developers are at least in the same league. Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... So, I am pretty sure that 'hundreds of documents' is a vast under-estimate. We are most probably talking about hundreds of documents per year just in France. I guess that you can multiply this number by three or four in Germany... Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? I also always wanted to know. But that won't count gmane or nabble users (like me). Web traffic is also a good indication. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel.LyXGeography Abdel.
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Abdel, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... How would you go about convincing French professors (or students) that LyX is a tool that deserves attention? Perhaps you have some links to (good) French-language documentation for beginners? I was once confronted with this, and got stuck; at least in my Social Sciences university people finding out that I use something different from MS Word (or at worst OpenOffice) wide-open their eyes. Thank you, Liviu
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
In economics and mathematics in France, I have many colleagues who know very well Latex but anly a few of them have ever heard about LyX before I have asked them the question. Even myself, I have been following the development LyX for years, without switching to it (I was using pure LateX and Scientific Word). LyX has really become a powerful platform now, I think it deserves much more publicity. I have a small blog where I advise tools around Latex and friends. It is mainly used by students. I am waiting the final version of LyX 1.6 to post a presentation of it, since I consider now that it has become the most powerful LaTeX editor, wit a lot of advantages over the competition. Regards, Murat 2008/10/25 Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 25/10/2008 11:49, Liviu Andronic wrote: Abdel, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Abdelrazak Younes[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... How would you go about convincing French professors (or students) that LyX is a tool that deserves attention? Well, in French engineer schools a lot of professors and students know already about LateX and LyX, I don't know the situation in university to tell you the truth. Perhaps you have some links to (good) French-language documentation for beginners? Not really, sorry. Abdel. -- *** NEW UNIVERSITY, NEW ADDRESS ! *** Prof. Murat Yildizoglu Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3) GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579) Centre de la Vieille Charité 2, rue de la Charité 13236 Marseille cedex 02 Bureau 320 Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau) Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html __
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On 25/10/2008 11:49, Liviu Andronic wrote: Abdel, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Abdelrazak Younes[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... How would you go about convincing French professors (or students) that LyX is a tool that deserves attention? Well, in French engineer schools a lot of professors and students know already about LateX and LyX, I don't know the situation in university to tell you the truth. Perhaps you have some links to (good) French-language documentation for beginners? Not really, sorry. Abdel.
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Nikos Alexandris wrote: On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 00:17 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian Now let me ask: how do you cite LyX? Perhaps by referring to http://www.lyx.org? According to Google that's the answer I got when asking in 2003... time flies. It would be nice with a better answer though. regards /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: Hi Mike of activities). In that time, I wrote two refereed journal papers and part of the concept study that led to the $100M+ mission. Way cool. keep a watchful eye on things), so I don't know how lyx's popularity has grown, but I'm fairly confident that hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers is probably not a bad guess, and very unlikely to be an over-estimate. I definitely agree it's unlikely to be an over-estimate. My question is rather how much of an under-estimate it is. Take it for what you will. The point to the original poster was that LyX and LaTeX are powerful, well-used tools, and the difficulties he was having are likely in his setup or with his expectations. I agree, and I think your point was very politely and nicely phrased, especially given the original posters language. Sincere regards, Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
2008/10/25 Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are most certainly right for economics and mathematics students. But French engineer school students have a (deserved) reputation of laziness; so the first thing they would do when they are confronted to LateX is to look for a Wysiwig interface to it. The first item in google when you look for 'latex wysiwyg' is of course LyX :-) I can imagine this :-) I have a small blog where I advise tools around Latex and friends. That's interesting, do you have a link? Here is the address of the blog. It is a small and slow developing blog: http://yildizoglu.blogspot.com/ Abdel. Murat -- *** NEW UNIVERSITY, NEW ADDRESS ! *** Prof. Murat Yildizoglu Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3) GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579) Centre de la Vieille Charité 2, rue de la Charité 13236 Marseille cedex 02 Bureau 320 Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau) Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html __
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On 25/10/2008 13:06, Murat Yildizoglu wrote: In economics and mathematics in France, I have many colleagues who know very well Latex but anly a few of them have ever heard about LyX before I have asked them the question. Even myself, I have been following the development LyX for years, without switching to it (I was using pure LateX and Scientific Word). LyX has really become a powerful platform now, I think it deserves much more publicity. You are most certainly right for economics and mathematics students. But French engineer school students have a (deserved) reputation of laziness; so the first thing they would do when they are confronted to LateX is to look for a Wysiwig interface to it. The first item in google when you look for 'latex wysiwyg' is of course LyX :-) I have a small blog where I advise tools around Latex and friends. That's interesting, do you have a link? It is mainly used by students. I am waiting the final version of LyX 1.6 to post a presentation of it, since I consider now that it has become the most powerful LaTeX editor, wit a lot of advantages over the competition. I agree ;-) Abdel.
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Friday 24 October 2008 06:17:34 pm Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I don't know how scholarly my books are, but I've written the following books in LyX: * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist (309 pages) * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting (201 pages) * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting (221 pages) * Troubleshooting: Just the Facts (82 pages) * Rapid Learning for the 21st Century (136 pages) * Learn Vim Tonight (94 pages) Some of my earlier books were written in WordPerfect and MS Word, but once I discovered LyX, all further books were written in LyX. SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 13:33 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Nikos Alexandris wrote: On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 00:17 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian Now let me ask: how do you cite LyX? Perhaps by referring to http://www.lyx.org? According to Google that's the answer I got when asking in 2003... time flies. It would be nice with a better answer though. regards /Christian I have put that in my last document, in the very end of it: This article was prepared using LyX (version 1.6.0rc3), a powerful free and open source document processing application. More information at http://www.lyx.org Regards, Nikos
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Apparently I've been using LyX since '03. I've got 300+ LyX docs relating to teaching (notes, exams, slide shows, handouts), but this might be a bit inflated since I put each chapter/lesson in a separate file, rather than compiling a book. On the scholarly output side, I've got something like five journal articles and a couple of encyclopedia chapters (short articles) written with LyX. Plus I use it for a few personal sorts of documents (such as my c.v.). Other than Firefox and Thunderbird, this is probably the open-source program I use most often. (Tied with MiKTeX, I guess.) Props to all the developers, past and present. /Paul
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On 25/10/2008 00:17, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. I've written tens of technical documents, training course and teaching materials and a PhD thesis; I am not counting letters. I guess most LyX developers are at least in the same league. Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... So, I am pretty sure that 'hundreds of documents' is a vast under-estimate. We are most probably talking about hundreds of documents per year just in France. I guess that you can multiply this number by three or four in Germany... Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? I also always wanted to know. But that won't count gmane or nabble users (like me). Web traffic is also a good indication. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.general http://wiki.lyx.org/Devel.LyXGeography Abdel.
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Abdel, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; > unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... > How would you go about convincing French professors (or students) that LyX is a tool that deserves attention? Perhaps you have some links to (good) French-language documentation for beginners? I was once confronted with this, and got stuck; at least in my Social Sciences university people finding out that I use something different from MS Word (or at worst OpenOffice) wide-open their eyes. Thank you, Liviu
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
In economics and mathematics in France, I have many colleagues who know very well Latex but anly a few of them have ever heard about LyX before I have asked them the question. Even myself, I have been following the development LyX for years, without switching to it (I was using pure LateX and Scientific Word). LyX has really become a powerful platform now, I think it deserves much more publicity. I have a small blog where I advise tools around Latex and friends. It is mainly used by students. I am waiting the final version of LyX 1.6 to post a presentation of it, since I consider now that it has become the most powerful LaTeX editor, wit a lot of advantages over the competition. Regards, Murat 2008/10/25 Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 25/10/2008 11:49, Liviu Andronic wrote: > >> Abdel, >> >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Abdelrazak Younes<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; >>> unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... >>> >>> How would you go about convincing French professors (or students) that >> LyX is a tool that deserves attention? >> > > Well, in French engineer schools a lot of professors and students know > already about LateX and LyX, I don't know the situation in university to > tell you the truth. > > Perhaps you have some links to >> (good) French-language documentation for beginners? >> > > Not really, sorry. > > Abdel. > > -- *** NEW UNIVERSITY, NEW ADDRESS ! *** Prof. Murat Yildizoglu Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3) GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579) Centre de la Vieille Charité 2, rue de la Charité 13236 Marseille cedex 02 Bureau 320 Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau) Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html __
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On 25/10/2008 11:49, Liviu Andronic wrote: Abdel, On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Abdelrazak Younes<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Many many students in France begins with LyX to ease the path to LateX; unfortunately most of them switch to MSWord after school... How would you go about convincing French professors (or students) that LyX is a tool that deserves attention? Well, in French engineer schools a lot of professors and students know already about LateX and LyX, I don't know the situation in university to tell you the truth. Perhaps you have some links to (good) French-language documentation for beginners? Not really, sorry. Abdel.
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Nikos Alexandris wrote: On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 00:17 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian Now let me ask: how do you cite LyX? Perhaps by referring to http://www.lyx.org? According to Google that's the answer I got when asking in 2003... time flies. It would be nice with a better answer though. regards /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: Hi Mike of activities). In that time, I wrote two refereed journal papers and part of the concept study that led to the $100M+ mission. Way cool. keep a watchful eye on things), so I don't know how lyx's popularity has grown, but I'm fairly confident that "hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers" is probably not a bad guess, and very unlikely to be an over-estimate. I definitely agree it's unlikely to be an over-estimate. My question is rather how much of an under-estimate it is. Take it for what you will. The point to the original poster was that LyX and LaTeX are powerful, well-used tools, and the difficulties he was having are likely in his setup or with his expectations. I agree, and I think your point was very politely and nicely phrased, especially given the original posters language. Sincere regards, Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
2008/10/25 Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > You are most certainly right for economics and mathematics students. But > French engineer school students have a (deserved) reputation of laziness; so > the first thing they would do when they are confronted to LateX is to look > for a Wysiwig interface to it. The first item in google when you look for > 'latex wysiwyg' is of course LyX :-) I can imagine this :-) > > > I have a small blog where I advise tools around Latex and friends. >> > > That's interesting, do you have a link? Here is the address of the blog. It is a small and slow developing blog: http://yildizoglu.blogspot.com/ > > > Abdel. Murat -- *** NEW UNIVERSITY, NEW ADDRESS ! *** Prof. Murat Yildizoglu Université Paul Cézanne (Aix-Marseille 3) GREQAM (UMR CNRS 6579) Centre de la Vieille Charité 2, rue de la Charité 13236 Marseille cedex 02 Bureau 320 Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 27 (standard) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 70 (secrétariat) Tel : +33 4 91 14 07 47 (bureau) Fax : +33 4 91 90 02 27 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www : http://www.vcharite.univ-mrs.fr/PP/yildi/index.html __
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On 25/10/2008 13:06, Murat Yildizoglu wrote: In economics and mathematics in France, I have many colleagues who know very well Latex but anly a few of them have ever heard about LyX before I have asked them the question. Even myself, I have been following the development LyX for years, without switching to it (I was using pure LateX and Scientific Word). LyX has really become a powerful platform now, I think it deserves much more publicity. You are most certainly right for economics and mathematics students. But French engineer school students have a (deserved) reputation of laziness; so the first thing they would do when they are confronted to LateX is to look for a Wysiwig interface to it. The first item in google when you look for 'latex wysiwyg' is of course LyX :-) I have a small blog where I advise tools around Latex and friends. That's interesting, do you have a link? It is mainly used by students. I am waiting the final version of LyX 1.6 to post a presentation of it, since I consider now that it has become the most powerful LaTeX editor, wit a lot of advantages over the competition. I agree ;-) Abdel.
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Friday 24 October 2008 06:17:34 pm Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: > > I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of > > dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers > > Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using > LyX? I don't know how "scholarly" my books are, but I've written the following books in LyX: * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist (309 pages) * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting (201 pages) * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting (221 pages) * Troubleshooting: Just the Facts (82 pages) * Rapid Learning for the 21st Century (136 pages) * Learn Vim Tonight (94 pages) Some of my earlier books were written in WordPerfect and MS Word, but once I discovered LyX, all further books were written in LyX. SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 13:33 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Nikos Alexandris wrote: > > > On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 00:17 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: > >> > >>> I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of > >>> dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers > >> > >> Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using > >> LyX? > >> > >> I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations > >> created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has > >> hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared > >> with LyX. > >> > >> Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' > >> list? > >> > >> Interesting, > >> /Christian > > > > Now let me ask: how do you cite LyX? > > Perhaps by referring to http://www.lyx.org? According to Google that's > the answer I got when asking in 2003... time flies. It would be nice with > a better answer though. > > regards > /Christian I have put that in my last document, in the very end of it: This article was prepared using LyX (version 1.6.0rc3), a powerful free and open source document processing application. More information at http://www.lyx.org Regards, Nikos
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Apparently I've been using LyX since '03. I've got 300+ LyX docs relating to teaching (notes, exams, slide shows, handouts), but this might be a bit inflated since I put each chapter/lesson in a separate file, rather than compiling a book. On the "scholarly output" side, I've got something like five journal articles and a couple of encyclopedia "chapters" (short articles) written with LyX. Plus I use it for a few personal sorts of documents (such as my c.v.). Other than Firefox and Thunderbird, this is probably the open-source program I use most often. (Tied with MiKTeX, I guess.) Props to all the developers, past and present. /Paul
Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 00:17 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian Now let me ask: how do you cite LyX? Nikos
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Christian Ridderstr?m wrote: Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. On my main work station I have 291 lyx documents I created (not including all my newfile tests). This includes over 20 newsletters, around ten books, many letters, company sales proposals, slide show presentations, training courseware, but also includes some backups and old versions of same documents. I have some documents on other systems too. I have been using LyX since at least 1999. It has been tricky to configure many times -- but it has served me well and saved much time many times. Jeremy C. Reed
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? It appears, from my CVS archives, that I have 16 substantial LyX documents. Not bad, considering I'm often forced to work in Office or OO for interop reasons. And I haven't tried LyX for presentations yet, and those represent a substantial portion of my document output. -- Michael Wojcik Micro Focus Rhetoric Writing, Michigan State University
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? Since I threw out those numbers, here is my rationale. I started using LyX in early 1998 with version 0.10.7 and became very active with the documentation until I had to ratchet things back in 2002 just after version 1.2.0 (serious project at work plus kids old enough for lots of activities). In that time, I wrote two refereed journal papers and part of the concept study that led to the $100M+ mission. In that time, I also recall about a half dozen theses at varying levels and at least a dozen papers in areas outside my field. That is at least 20 papers of a hard core variety that I have at ready recall in the 4 years I was heavily involved. That doesn't include the 100s and 1000s of documents of my own and others that don't rise to that level: memos, reports, presentations, etc. Even extrapolated at that production rate in the intervening years, there would be a total of 50 such documents, and I'm assuming I knew much less than half the output between 1998 and 2002. I haven't followed lyx-users for a few years now (I've stayed on lyx-docs to keep a watchful eye on things), so I don't know how lyx's popularity has grown, but I'm fairly confident that hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers is probably not a bad guess, and very unlikely to be an over-estimate. Take it for what you will. The point to the original poster was that LyX and LaTeX are powerful, well-used tools, and the difficulties he was having are likely in his setup or with his expectations. Mike -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Christian Ridderström engaged keyboard and shared this with us all: --} Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using --} LyX? Too numerous to mention, and not enough time to count - letters to politicians alone, huge numbers? - articles - essays etc., etc.. I should probably make a footer that states at the bottom of each document: created by LyX. Many thanks to everyone working to make LyX work well. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** If you think you understand a thing, Your mind has ceased to function, To make it work again, try to see it from the side of misunderstanding. ---Anon *** Debian, just the best way to create magic ___
Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 00:17 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian Now let me ask: how do you cite LyX? Nikos
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Christian Ridderstr?m wrote: Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. On my main work station I have 291 lyx documents I created (not including all my newfile tests). This includes over 20 newsletters, around ten books, many letters, company sales proposals, slide show presentations, training courseware, but also includes some backups and old versions of same documents. I have some documents on other systems too. I have been using LyX since at least 1999. It has been tricky to configure many times -- but it has served me well and saved much time many times. Jeremy C. Reed
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? It appears, from my CVS archives, that I have 16 substantial LyX documents. Not bad, considering I'm often forced to work in Office or OO for interop reasons. And I haven't tried LyX for presentations yet, and those represent a substantial portion of my document output. -- Michael Wojcik Micro Focus Rhetoric Writing, Michigan State University
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? Since I threw out those numbers, here is my rationale. I started using LyX in early 1998 with version 0.10.7 and became very active with the documentation until I had to ratchet things back in 2002 just after version 1.2.0 (serious project at work plus kids old enough for lots of activities). In that time, I wrote two refereed journal papers and part of the concept study that led to the $100M+ mission. In that time, I also recall about a half dozen theses at varying levels and at least a dozen papers in areas outside my field. That is at least 20 papers of a hard core variety that I have at ready recall in the 4 years I was heavily involved. That doesn't include the 100s and 1000s of documents of my own and others that don't rise to that level: memos, reports, presentations, etc. Even extrapolated at that production rate in the intervening years, there would be a total of 50 such documents, and I'm assuming I knew much less than half the output between 1998 and 2002. I haven't followed lyx-users for a few years now (I've stayed on lyx-docs to keep a watchful eye on things), so I don't know how lyx's popularity has grown, but I'm fairly confident that hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers is probably not a bad guess, and very unlikely to be an over-estimate. Take it for what you will. The point to the original poster was that LyX and LaTeX are powerful, well-used tools, and the difficulties he was having are likely in his setup or with his expectations. Mike -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Christian Ridderström engaged keyboard and shared this with us all: --} Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using --} LyX? Too numerous to mention, and not enough time to count - letters to politicians alone, huge numbers? - articles - essays etc., etc.. I should probably make a footer that states at the bottom of each document: created by LyX. Many thanks to everyone working to make LyX work well. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** If you think you understand a thing, Your mind has ceased to function, To make it work again, try to see it from the side of misunderstanding. ---Anon *** Debian, just the best way to create magic ___
Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' list? Interesting, /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 00:17 +0200, Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: > > > I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of > > dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers > > Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using > LyX? > > I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations > created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has > hundreds of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared > with LyX. > > Actually... I wonder how many users are subscribed just to the users' > list? > > Interesting, > /Christian Now let me ask: how do you cite LyX? Nikos
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Christian Ridderstr?m wrote: > Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? > > I've written something like 10-20 documents (not counting presentations > created with LyX). If ten documents is a typical number, and LyX has hundreds > of users, we'd be talking about thousands of documents prepared with LyX. On my main work station I have 291 lyx documents I created (not including all my "newfile" tests). This includes over 20 newsletters, around ten books, many letters, company sales proposals, slide show presentations, training courseware, but also includes some backups and old versions of same documents. I have some documents on other systems too. I have been using LyX since at least 1999. It has been tricky to configure many times -- but it has served me well and saved much time many times. Jeremy C. Reed
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: > >> I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of >> dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers > > Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using > LyX? It appears, from my CVS archives, that I have 16 substantial LyX documents. Not bad, considering I'm often forced to work in Office or OO for interop reasons. And I haven't tried LyX for presentations yet, and those represent a substantial portion of my document output. -- Michael Wojcik Micro Focus Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Mike Ressler wrote: I can assure you that LyX has been used to write hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers >> Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using LyX? Since I threw out those numbers, here is my rationale. I started using LyX in early 1998 with version 0.10.7 and became very active with the documentation until I had to ratchet things back in 2002 just after version 1.2.0 (serious project at work plus kids old enough for lots of activities). In that time, I wrote two refereed journal papers and part of the concept study that led to the $100M+ mission. In that time, I also recall about a half dozen theses at varying levels and at least a dozen papers in areas outside my field. That is at least 20 papers of a "hard core" variety that I have at ready recall in the 4 years I was heavily involved. That doesn't include the 100s and 1000s of documents of my own and others that don't rise to that level: memos, reports, presentations, etc. Even extrapolated at that production rate in the intervening years, there would be a total of 50 such documents, and I'm assuming I knew much less than half the output between 1998 and 2002. I haven't followed lyx-users for a few years now (I've stayed on lyx-docs to keep a watchful eye on things), so I don't know how lyx's popularity has grown, but I'm fairly confident that "hundreds of dissertations, theses, and scholarly papers" is probably not a bad guess, and very unlikely to be an over-estimate. Take it for what you will. The point to the original poster was that LyX and LaTeX are powerful, well-used tools, and the difficulties he was having are likely in his setup or with his expectations. Mike -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Number of documents prepared with LyX? (Was: Frustrated user)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Christian Ridderström engaged keyboard and shared this with us all: >--} Interesting question... how many such documents have been written using >--} LyX? Too numerous to mention, and not enough time to count - letters to politicians alone, huge numbers? - articles - essays etc., etc.. I should probably make a footer that states at the bottom of each document: "created by LyX". Many thanks to everyone working to make LyX work well. Be well, Charlie -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** If you think you understand a thing, Your mind has ceased to function, To make it work again, try to see it from the side of misunderstanding. ---Anon *** Debian, just the best way to create magic ___
Re: Frustrated user
On 22/10/2008 08:04, Jonathan Suit wrote: Hello, Hello Jonathan, I'm a new user of LyX. For the first couple of days, everything went well. But now I'm running into trouble. First thing first: this is the documentation development list. I put the correct list in copy. Second: which platform? I am guessing Windows here but the fact that you talk about ispell is an indication of Linux. Third: which version of LyX? First, no matter what I do I can't run spellcheck. It says something about it being unable to run ispell. That's interesting since I've set my preferences to run something other than ispell. I can't export documents to latex, even though I'm told I just need to click on the relevant export button to latex (i've have the latex stuff and i've been telling it to export to latexplain (or something like that). I don't know what else I could export to. If you run one of the 1.6 release candidates on WinXP, that's a known bug. Please use stable 1.5.6 instead. And the bibliography has been a complete mess. I have Bibtex up and running. But LyX never recognizes any new entries. If you are on Windows, the Bibtex 'push' feature does not work. You have to save your bibtex file and reload it in LyX for the new entries to be recognized. I'm going to have to use Microsoft Word to do my bibliography. To be honest, I'm quite fed up with this Latex/Lyx thing. I've spend many more hours just trying to format/figure out what the formatting means than writing my papers. The fact that the finished product looks nice does not justify anything. Fourth: LyX is a free software developed by people on their spare time, the user list is very helpful and this is *gratis*, provided that you ask gently and that you give more information. Abdel. Furthermore, I find it incomprehensible that there isn't a much more user friendly decent word processer/typesetting program. Seriously, what is wrong with having a program that the hardest thing is pointing and clicking. Why do I keep running into computer codes!? I just want to download a package that is good for X, and perhaps one that is good for Y. I can't believe that we can put out iPhones but we can't get a good word procesing program/typesetting program. Ridiculous. Jonathan Suit
Re: Frustrated user
On 22/10/2008 08:04, Jonathan Suit wrote: Hello, Hello Jonathan, I'm a new user of LyX. For the first couple of days, everything went well. But now I'm running into trouble. First thing first: this is the documentation development list. I put the correct list in copy. Second: which platform? I am guessing Windows here but the fact that you talk about ispell is an indication of Linux. Third: which version of LyX? First, no matter what I do I can't run spellcheck. It says something about it being unable to run ispell. That's interesting since I've set my preferences to run something other than ispell. I can't export documents to latex, even though I'm told I just need to click on the relevant export button to latex (i've have the latex stuff and i've been telling it to export to latexplain (or something like that). I don't know what else I could export to. If you run one of the 1.6 release candidates on WinXP, that's a known bug. Please use stable 1.5.6 instead. And the bibliography has been a complete mess. I have Bibtex up and running. But LyX never recognizes any new entries. If you are on Windows, the Bibtex 'push' feature does not work. You have to save your bibtex file and reload it in LyX for the new entries to be recognized. I'm going to have to use Microsoft Word to do my bibliography. To be honest, I'm quite fed up with this Latex/Lyx thing. I've spend many more hours just trying to format/figure out what the formatting means than writing my papers. The fact that the finished product looks nice does not justify anything. Fourth: LyX is a free software developed by people on their spare time, the user list is very helpful and this is *gratis*, provided that you ask gently and that you give more information. Abdel. Furthermore, I find it incomprehensible that there isn't a much more user friendly decent word processer/typesetting program. Seriously, what is wrong with having a program that the hardest thing is pointing and clicking. Why do I keep running into computer codes!? I just want to download a package that is good for X, and perhaps one that is good for Y. I can't believe that we can put out iPhones but we can't get a good word procesing program/typesetting program. Ridiculous. Jonathan Suit
Re: Frustrated user
On 22/10/2008 08:04, Jonathan Suit wrote: Hello, Hello Jonathan, I'm a new user of LyX. For the first couple of days, everything went well. But now I'm running into trouble. First thing first: this is the documentation development list. I put the correct list in copy. Second: which platform? I am guessing Windows here but the fact that you talk about ispell is an indication of Linux. Third: which version of LyX? First, no matter what I do I can't run spellcheck. It says something about it being unable to run ispell. That's interesting since I've set my preferences to run something other than ispell. I can't export documents to latex, even though I'm told I just need to click on the relevant export button to latex (i've have the latex stuff and i've been telling it to export to latexplain (or something like that). I don't know what else I could export to. If you run one of the 1.6 release candidates on WinXP, that's a known bug. Please use stable 1.5.6 instead. And the bibliography has been a complete mess. I have Bibtex up and running. But LyX never recognizes any new entries. If you are on Windows, the Bibtex 'push' feature does not work. You have to save your bibtex file and reload it in LyX for the new entries to be recognized. I'm going to have to use Microsoft Word to do my bibliography. To be honest, I'm quite fed up with this Latex/Lyx thing. I've spend many more hours just trying to format/figure out what the formatting means than writing my papers. The fact that the finished product looks nice does not justify anything. Fourth: LyX is a free software developed by people on their spare time, the user list is very helpful and this is *gratis*, provided that you ask gently and that you give more information. Abdel. Furthermore, I find it incomprehensible that there isn't a much more user friendly decent word processer/typesetting program. Seriously, what is wrong with having a program that the hardest thing is pointing and clicking. Why do I keep running into computer codes!? I just want to download a package that is good for X, and perhaps one that is good for Y. I can't believe that we can put out iPhones but we can't get a good word procesing program/typesetting program. Ridiculous. Jonathan Suit
