Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
On Tue, 13 May 2008 17:18:40 +0100 Peleg Michaeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have opened an Ubuntu page on the wiki, and also added this: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/HebrewOnLinux Don't know if it's needed under ubuntu but under debian you also need the t1utils package. Don't know how to edit the page to add that. I'll be happy to hear comments, if there are... :-) Thanks, Peleg. On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 15:40 +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it might help some others, so I write it here). could you add this to the LyX wiki as well? Jürgen
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
On Tue, 13 May 2008 17:18:40 +0100 Peleg Michaeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have opened an Ubuntu page on the wiki, and also added this: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/HebrewOnLinux Don't know if it's needed under ubuntu but under debian you also need the t1utils package. Don't know how to edit the page to add that. I'll be happy to hear comments, if there are... :-) Thanks, Peleg. On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 15:40 +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it might help some others, so I write it here). could you add this to the LyX wiki as well? Jürgen
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
On Tue, 13 May 2008 17:18:40 +0100 Peleg Michaeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have opened an Ubuntu page on the wiki, and also added this: > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/HebrewOnLinux > Don't know if it's needed under ubuntu but under debian you also need the t1utils package. Don't know how to edit the page to add that. > I'll be happy to hear comments, if there are... :-) > > Thanks, > Peleg. > > On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 15:40 +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > > Peleg Michaeli wrote: > > > After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it > > > might help some others, so I write it here). > > > > could you add this to the LyX wiki as well? > > > > Jürgen >
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
I have opened an Ubuntu page on the wiki, and also added this: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/HebrewOnLinux I'll be happy to hear comments, if there are... :-) Thanks, Peleg. On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 15:40 +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it might help some others, so I write it here). could you add this to the LyX wiki as well? Jürgen
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
I have opened an Ubuntu page on the wiki, and also added this: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/HebrewOnLinux I'll be happy to hear comments, if there are... :-) Thanks, Peleg. On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 15:40 +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it might help some others, so I write it here). could you add this to the LyX wiki as well? Jürgen
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
I have opened an Ubuntu page on the wiki, and also added this: http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/HebrewOnLinux I'll be happy to hear comments, if there are... :-) Thanks, Peleg. On Sun, 2008-04-27 at 15:40 +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Peleg Michaeli wrote: > > After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it > > might help some others, so I write it here). > > could you add this to the LyX wiki as well? > > Jürgen
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Ok, After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it might help some others, so I write it here). Using culmus fonts IS possible in ubuntu 7.04. This is the way to do that: * first of all, the right thing to do is to install texlive and not tetex; tetex is not maintained any more. * trying to install ivritex package will fail, because ivritex depends on tetex. * instead, we should install texlive-font-utils * Installing culmus fonts (and other Hebrew fonts): sudo aptitude install culmus culmus-fancy xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib xfonts-intl-european msttcorefonts * Installing culmus-latex package; first of all, downloading it from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341 (as Dov suggested) * extracting in some folder * make CULMUSDIR=/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/ TEXMFDIR=/usr/share/texmf-texlive/ * sudo make install CULMUSDIR=/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/ TEXMFDIR=/usr/share/texmf-texlive/ The last 2 commands are ubuntu 7.04/7.10-specific, but might work on other distros; if not, try to remove the CULMUSDIR=... (until the end of the line) and see if the make recognizes the right directories instead. Now my PDFs look much better! By the way, Dov - now, even using evince, the PDFs look great; maybe we can avoid adobe reader from now on? ;-) Thanks you all, and have a nice week, Peleg. On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 03:20 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Probably. My understanding is that most of the functionality of ivritex has already been incorporated into babel (3.8, I believe). However, that does *not* include usage of the culmus fonts --- so the fact that they're installed in the system doesn't mean that latex knows how to use them yet. That is still under development under the auspices of ivritex, and can be downloaded here https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341. But I think that it's not complete yet, though I'm not sure. So here's what I would do: 1) try installing culmus-latex from the above link, and see how it is. You might want to try the subversion repository, which is slightly more up-to-date. 2) If it's not good enough, get in touch with the ivritex mailing list and see if anyone knows what the current status is: is this still being developed? Will this work ever be incorporated into babel, too? 3) It would be interesting to understand how the culmus fonts *do* already work in latex on Windows --- maybe that can point in a direction for getting it working on Linux, too... Agai, the ivritex list is where I would pursue this... Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. Hmmm, I guess you're more idealistic than me... I have found that the quality in Acrobat Reader (which is at least free as in beer) is often significantly better than the open source alternatives that I have tried --- though I haven't tried these in a couple of years, so things may be better today. I'm sorry to hear the evince isn't better, I was hoping that perhaps it would be. You might want to try okular --- it's the new KDE viewer, still under development, I believe. Haven't tried it myself, though... Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it might help some others, so I write it here). could you add this to the LyX wiki as well? Jürgen
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Ok, After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it might help some others, so I write it here). Using culmus fonts IS possible in ubuntu 7.04. This is the way to do that: * first of all, the right thing to do is to install texlive and not tetex; tetex is not maintained any more. * trying to install ivritex package will fail, because ivritex depends on tetex. * instead, we should install texlive-font-utils * Installing culmus fonts (and other Hebrew fonts): sudo aptitude install culmus culmus-fancy xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib xfonts-intl-european msttcorefonts * Installing culmus-latex package; first of all, downloading it from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341 (as Dov suggested) * extracting in some folder * make CULMUSDIR=/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/ TEXMFDIR=/usr/share/texmf-texlive/ * sudo make install CULMUSDIR=/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/ TEXMFDIR=/usr/share/texmf-texlive/ The last 2 commands are ubuntu 7.04/7.10-specific, but might work on other distros; if not, try to remove the CULMUSDIR=... (until the end of the line) and see if the make recognizes the right directories instead. Now my PDFs look much better! By the way, Dov - now, even using evince, the PDFs look great; maybe we can avoid adobe reader from now on? ;-) Thanks you all, and have a nice week, Peleg. On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 03:20 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Probably. My understanding is that most of the functionality of ivritex has already been incorporated into babel (3.8, I believe). However, that does *not* include usage of the culmus fonts --- so the fact that they're installed in the system doesn't mean that latex knows how to use them yet. That is still under development under the auspices of ivritex, and can be downloaded here https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341. But I think that it's not complete yet, though I'm not sure. So here's what I would do: 1) try installing culmus-latex from the above link, and see how it is. You might want to try the subversion repository, which is slightly more up-to-date. 2) If it's not good enough, get in touch with the ivritex mailing list and see if anyone knows what the current status is: is this still being developed? Will this work ever be incorporated into babel, too? 3) It would be interesting to understand how the culmus fonts *do* already work in latex on Windows --- maybe that can point in a direction for getting it working on Linux, too... Agai, the ivritex list is where I would pursue this... Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. Hmmm, I guess you're more idealistic than me... I have found that the quality in Acrobat Reader (which is at least free as in beer) is often significantly better than the open source alternatives that I have tried --- though I haven't tried these in a couple of years, so things may be better today. I'm sorry to hear the evince isn't better, I was hoping that perhaps it would be. You might want to try okular --- it's the new KDE viewer, still under development, I believe. Haven't tried it myself, though... Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it might help some others, so I write it here). could you add this to the LyX wiki as well? Jürgen
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Ok, After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it might help some others, so I write it here). Using culmus fonts IS possible in ubuntu 7.04. This is the way to do that: * first of all, the right thing to do is to install texlive and not tetex; tetex is not maintained any more. * trying to install ivritex package will fail, because ivritex depends on tetex. * instead, we should install texlive-font-utils * Installing culmus fonts (and other Hebrew fonts): sudo aptitude install culmus culmus-fancy xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib xfonts-intl-european msttcorefonts * Installing culmus-latex package; first of all, downloading it from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341 (as Dov suggested) * extracting in some folder * make CULMUSDIR=/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/ TEXMFDIR=/usr/share/texmf-texlive/ * sudo make install CULMUSDIR=/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/ TEXMFDIR=/usr/share/texmf-texlive/ The last 2 commands are ubuntu 7.04/7.10-specific, but might work on other distros; if not, try to remove the CULMUSDIR=... (until the end of the line) and see if the make recognizes the right directories instead. Now my PDFs look much better! By the way, Dov - now, even using evince, the PDFs look great; maybe we can avoid adobe reader from now on? ;-) Thanks you all, and have a nice week, Peleg. On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 03:20 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > Peleg Michaeli wrote: > > Thank you all for your replies! > > > > I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have > > culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? > > > > Probably. My understanding is that most of the functionality of ivritex > has already been incorporated into babel (3.8, I believe). However, that > does *not* include usage of the culmus fonts --- so the fact that > they're installed in the system doesn't mean that latex knows how to use > them yet. That is still under development under the auspices of ivritex, > and can be downloaded here > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341. But I > think that it's not complete yet, though I'm not sure. > > So here's what I would do: > > 1) try installing culmus-latex from the above link, and see how it is. > You might want to try the subversion repository, which is slightly more > up-to-date. > > 2) If it's not good enough, get in touch with the ivritex mailing list > and see if anyone knows what the current status is: is this still being > developed? Will this work ever be incorporated into babel, too? > > 3) It would be interesting to understand how the culmus fonts *do* > already work in latex on Windows --- maybe that can point in a direction > for getting it working on Linux, too... Agai, the ivritex list is where > I would pursue this... > > > Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. > > > > Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am > > using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the > > experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and > > it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have > > problems with zoomings. > > > > Hmmm, I guess you're more idealistic than me... I have found that the > quality in Acrobat Reader (which is at least free as in beer) is often > significantly better than the open source alternatives that I have tried > --- though I haven't tried these in a couple of years, so things may be > better today. I'm sorry to hear the evince isn't better, I was hoping > that perhaps it would be. You might want to try okular --- it's the new > KDE viewer, still under development, I believe. Haven't tried it myself, > though... > > Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: > After a short discussion with Ivritex, I got this conclusion (and it > might help some others, so I write it here). could you add this to the LyX wiki as well? Jürgen
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Thank you! I will check with Ivritex and let this list know about it; I will post here any solution that works, if there will be such. Peleg. On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 03:20 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Probably. My understanding is that most of the functionality of ivritex has already been incorporated into babel (3.8, I believe). However, that does *not* include usage of the culmus fonts --- so the fact that they're installed in the system doesn't mean that latex knows how to use them yet. That is still under development under the auspices of ivritex, and can be downloaded here https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341. But I think that it's not complete yet, though I'm not sure. So here's what I would do: 1) try installing culmus-latex from the above link, and see how it is. You might want to try the subversion repository, which is slightly more up-to-date. 2) If it's not good enough, get in touch with the ivritex mailing list and see if anyone knows what the current status is: is this still being developed? Will this work ever be incorporated into babel, too? 3) It would be interesting to understand how the culmus fonts *do* already work in latex on Windows --- maybe that can point in a direction for getting it working on Linux, too... Agai, the ivritex list is where I would pursue this... Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. Hmmm, I guess you're more idealistic than me... I have found that the quality in Acrobat Reader (which is at least free as in beer) is often significantly better than the open source alternatives that I have tried --- though I haven't tried these in a couple of years, so things may be better today. I'm sorry to hear the evince isn't better, I was hoping that perhaps it would be. You might want to try okular --- it's the new KDE viewer, still under development, I believe. Haven't tried it myself, though... Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Thank you! I will check with Ivritex and let this list know about it; I will post here any solution that works, if there will be such. Peleg. On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 03:20 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Probably. My understanding is that most of the functionality of ivritex has already been incorporated into babel (3.8, I believe). However, that does *not* include usage of the culmus fonts --- so the fact that they're installed in the system doesn't mean that latex knows how to use them yet. That is still under development under the auspices of ivritex, and can be downloaded here https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341. But I think that it's not complete yet, though I'm not sure. So here's what I would do: 1) try installing culmus-latex from the above link, and see how it is. You might want to try the subversion repository, which is slightly more up-to-date. 2) If it's not good enough, get in touch with the ivritex mailing list and see if anyone knows what the current status is: is this still being developed? Will this work ever be incorporated into babel, too? 3) It would be interesting to understand how the culmus fonts *do* already work in latex on Windows --- maybe that can point in a direction for getting it working on Linux, too... Agai, the ivritex list is where I would pursue this... Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. Hmmm, I guess you're more idealistic than me... I have found that the quality in Acrobat Reader (which is at least free as in beer) is often significantly better than the open source alternatives that I have tried --- though I haven't tried these in a couple of years, so things may be better today. I'm sorry to hear the evince isn't better, I was hoping that perhaps it would be. You might want to try okular --- it's the new KDE viewer, still under development, I believe. Haven't tried it myself, though... Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Thank you! I will check with Ivritex and let this list know about it; I will post here any solution that works, if there will be such. Peleg. On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 03:20 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > Peleg Michaeli wrote: > > Thank you all for your replies! > > > > I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have > > culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? > > > > Probably. My understanding is that most of the functionality of ivritex > has already been incorporated into babel (3.8, I believe). However, that > does *not* include usage of the culmus fonts --- so the fact that > they're installed in the system doesn't mean that latex knows how to use > them yet. That is still under development under the auspices of ivritex, > and can be downloaded here > https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341. But I > think that it's not complete yet, though I'm not sure. > > So here's what I would do: > > 1) try installing culmus-latex from the above link, and see how it is. > You might want to try the subversion repository, which is slightly more > up-to-date. > > 2) If it's not good enough, get in touch with the ivritex mailing list > and see if anyone knows what the current status is: is this still being > developed? Will this work ever be incorporated into babel, too? > > 3) It would be interesting to understand how the culmus fonts *do* > already work in latex on Windows --- maybe that can point in a direction > for getting it working on Linux, too... Agai, the ivritex list is where > I would pursue this... > > > Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. > > > > Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am > > using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the > > experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and > > it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have > > problems with zoomings. > > > > Hmmm, I guess you're more idealistic than me... I have found that the > quality in Acrobat Reader (which is at least free as in beer) is often > significantly better than the open source alternatives that I have tried > --- though I haven't tried these in a couple of years, so things may be > better today. I'm sorry to hear the evince isn't better, I was hoping > that perhaps it would be. You might want to try okular --- it's the new > KDE viewer, still under development, I believe. Haven't tried it myself, > though... > > Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Probably. My understanding is that most of the functionality of ivritex has already been incorporated into babel (3.8, I believe). However, that does *not* include usage of the culmus fonts --- so the fact that they're installed in the system doesn't mean that latex knows how to use them yet. That is still under development under the auspices of ivritex, and can be downloaded here https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341. But I think that it's not complete yet, though I'm not sure. So here's what I would do: 1) try installing culmus-latex from the above link, and see how it is. You might want to try the subversion repository, which is slightly more up-to-date. 2) If it's not good enough, get in touch with the ivritex mailing list and see if anyone knows what the current status is: is this still being developed? Will this work ever be incorporated into babel, too? 3) It would be interesting to understand how the culmus fonts *do* already work in latex on Windows --- maybe that can point in a direction for getting it working on Linux, too... Agai, the ivritex list is where I would pursue this... Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. Hmmm, I guess you're more idealistic than me... I have found that the quality in Acrobat Reader (which is at least free as in beer) is often significantly better than the open source alternatives that I have tried --- though I haven't tried these in a couple of years, so things may be better today. I'm sorry to hear the evince isn't better, I was hoping that perhaps it would be. You might want to try okular --- it's the new KDE viewer, still under development, I believe. Haven't tried it myself, though... Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Probably. My understanding is that most of the functionality of ivritex has already been incorporated into babel (3.8, I believe). However, that does *not* include usage of the culmus fonts --- so the fact that they're installed in the system doesn't mean that latex knows how to use them yet. That is still under development under the auspices of ivritex, and can be downloaded here https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341. But I think that it's not complete yet, though I'm not sure. So here's what I would do: 1) try installing culmus-latex from the above link, and see how it is. You might want to try the subversion repository, which is slightly more up-to-date. 2) If it's not good enough, get in touch with the ivritex mailing list and see if anyone knows what the current status is: is this still being developed? Will this work ever be incorporated into babel, too? 3) It would be interesting to understand how the culmus fonts *do* already work in latex on Windows --- maybe that can point in a direction for getting it working on Linux, too... Agai, the ivritex list is where I would pursue this... Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. Hmmm, I guess you're more idealistic than me... I have found that the quality in Acrobat Reader (which is at least free as in beer) is often significantly better than the open source alternatives that I have tried --- though I haven't tried these in a couple of years, so things may be better today. I'm sorry to hear the evince isn't better, I was hoping that perhaps it would be. You might want to try okular --- it's the new KDE viewer, still under development, I believe. Haven't tried it myself, though... Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Probably. My understanding is that most of the functionality of ivritex has already been incorporated into babel (3.8, I believe). However, that does *not* include usage of the culmus fonts --- so the fact that they're installed in the system doesn't mean that latex knows how to use them yet. That is still under development under the auspices of ivritex, and can be downloaded here https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=33341. But I think that it's not complete yet, though I'm not sure. So here's what I would do: 1) try installing culmus-latex from the above link, and see how it is. You might want to try the subversion repository, which is slightly more up-to-date. 2) If it's not good enough, get in touch with the ivritex mailing list and see if anyone knows what the current status is: is this still being developed? Will this work ever be incorporated into babel, too? 3) It would be interesting to understand how the culmus fonts *do* already work in latex on Windows --- maybe that can point in a direction for getting it working on Linux, too... Agai, the ivritex list is where I would pursue this... Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. Hmmm, I guess you're more idealistic than me... I have found that the quality in Acrobat Reader (which is at least free as in beer) is often significantly better than the open source alternatives that I have tried --- though I haven't tried these in a couple of years, so things may be better today. I'm sorry to hear the evince isn't better, I was hoping that perhaps it would be. You might want to try okular --- it's the new KDE viewer, still under development, I believe. Haven't tried it myself, though... Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. So, thanks again - now I figure out what the problem is - and these are the still open questions: a. I have culmus fonts installed - is it not sufficient for tex2pdf to use them? What should I ask ivritex? b. Can one of you recommend a good PDF viewer, which is a free software, for linux? Thanks again, Peleg. On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 21:31 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hey... First of all - thanks for your reply. Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Perhaps the problem is with the pdf *viewer* that you're using? Some files I use look horrible in gv, but they're fine using acroread... Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the windows generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the ubuntu generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? Hmmm, not really :( ... both files look OK to me. Of course they use different fonts --- on Windows you're probably using the culmus fonts, and on ubuntu the fonts that come with ivritex (which are not yet culmus fonts, and not as nice) --- but in terms of quality I don't see a difference... Regarding the use of culmus fonts on linux, there has been some work in that direction going on in ivritex, I strongly urge you to ping the mailing list there to see if there's any progress with this (and I don't really know the details, they may be able to confirm whether or not what I'm saying is correct). Here is the source for BOTH of the PDFs: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16.lyx Thanks again, hopefully I will do the rest of the tests some other time. Peleg.
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. So, thanks again - now I figure out what the problem is - and these are the still open questions: a. I have culmus fonts installed - is it not sufficient for tex2pdf to use them? What should I ask ivritex? b. Can one of you recommend a good PDF viewer, which is a free software, for linux? Thanks again, Peleg. On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 21:31 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hey... First of all - thanks for your reply. Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Perhaps the problem is with the pdf *viewer* that you're using? Some files I use look horrible in gv, but they're fine using acroread... Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the windows generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the ubuntu generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? Hmmm, not really :( ... both files look OK to me. Of course they use different fonts --- on Windows you're probably using the culmus fonts, and on ubuntu the fonts that come with ivritex (which are not yet culmus fonts, and not as nice) --- but in terms of quality I don't see a difference... Regarding the use of culmus fonts on linux, there has been some work in that direction going on in ivritex, I strongly urge you to ping the mailing list there to see if there's any progress with this (and I don't really know the details, they may be able to confirm whether or not what I'm saying is correct). Here is the source for BOTH of the PDFs: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16.lyx Thanks again, hopefully I will do the rest of the tests some other time. Peleg.
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Thank you all for your replies! I will try ivritex's mailing list; it's quite weird, because I do have culmus fonts installed - the problem is with ivritex, still? Anyway, it is comfoting that you can see both in a good quality. Yes, I am not using adobe reader (since it is not free software); I am using just simple PDF viewer (actually, Evince 0.8.1) - for the experiment, I have tried a different PDF viewer - KGhostView 0.2.0 - and it looks much better - but this software is awfully slow and have problems with zoomings. So, thanks again - now I figure out what the problem is - and these are the still "open" questions: a. I have culmus fonts installed - is it not sufficient for tex2pdf to use them? What should I ask ivritex? b. Can one of you recommend a good PDF viewer, which is a free software, for linux? Thanks again, Peleg. On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 21:31 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > Peleg Michaeli wrote: > > Hey... > > > > First of all - thanks for your reply. > > > > Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to > > say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! > > Perhaps the problem is with the pdf *viewer* that you're using? Some > files I use look horrible in gv, but they're fine using acroread... > > > > > Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's > > not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two > > different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two > > documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and > > one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source > > file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. > > > > The link to the "windows" generated PDF is here: > > - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf > > And the link the the "ubuntu" generated PDF is here: > > - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf > > > > See the difference? > > Hmmm, not really :( ... both files look OK to me. Of course they use > different fonts --- on Windows you're probably using the culmus fonts, > and on ubuntu the fonts that come with ivritex (which are not yet culmus > fonts, and not as nice) --- but in terms of "quality" I don't see a > difference... Regarding the use of culmus fonts on linux, there has been > some work in that direction going on in ivritex, I strongly urge you to > ping the mailing list there to see if there's any progress with this > (and I don't really know the details, they may be able to confirm > whether or not what I'm saying is correct). > > > > > Here is the source for BOTH of the PDFs: > > - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16.lyx > > > > Thanks again, > > hopefully I will do the rest of the tests some other time. > > > > Peleg.
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
To my eyes, the windows version is superior. So, it must be the culmus fonts. Eran
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
To my eyes, the windows version is superior. So, it must be the culmus fonts. Eran
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
To my eyes, the windows version is superior. So, it must be the culmus fonts. Eran
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hey... First of all - thanks for your reply. Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Perhaps the problem is with the pdf *viewer* that you're using? Some files I use look horrible in gv, but they're fine using acroread... Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the windows generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the ubuntu generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? Hmmm, not really :( ... both files look OK to me. Of course they use different fonts --- on Windows you're probably using the culmus fonts, and on ubuntu the fonts that come with ivritex (which are not yet culmus fonts, and not as nice) --- but in terms of quality I don't see a difference... Regarding the use of culmus fonts on linux, there has been some work in that direction going on in ivritex, I strongly urge you to ping the mailing list there to see if there's any progress with this (and I don't really know the details, they may be able to confirm whether or not what I'm saying is correct). Here is the source for BOTH of the PDFs: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16.lyx Thanks again, hopefully I will do the rest of the tests some other time. Peleg.
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hey... First of all - thanks for your reply. Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Perhaps the problem is with the pdf *viewer* that you're using? Some files I use look horrible in gv, but they're fine using acroread... Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the windows generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the ubuntu generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? Hmmm, not really :( ... both files look OK to me. Of course they use different fonts --- on Windows you're probably using the culmus fonts, and on ubuntu the fonts that come with ivritex (which are not yet culmus fonts, and not as nice) --- but in terms of quality I don't see a difference... Regarding the use of culmus fonts on linux, there has been some work in that direction going on in ivritex, I strongly urge you to ping the mailing list there to see if there's any progress with this (and I don't really know the details, they may be able to confirm whether or not what I'm saying is correct). Here is the source for BOTH of the PDFs: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16.lyx Thanks again, hopefully I will do the rest of the tests some other time. Peleg.
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hey... First of all - thanks for your reply. Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Perhaps the problem is with the pdf *viewer* that you're using? Some files I use look horrible in gv, but they're fine using acroread... Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the "windows" generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the "ubuntu" generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? Hmmm, not really :( ... both files look OK to me. Of course they use different fonts --- on Windows you're probably using the culmus fonts, and on ubuntu the fonts that come with ivritex (which are not yet culmus fonts, and not as nice) --- but in terms of "quality" I don't see a difference... Regarding the use of culmus fonts on linux, there has been some work in that direction going on in ivritex, I strongly urge you to ping the mailing list there to see if there's any progress with this (and I don't really know the details, they may be able to confirm whether or not what I'm saying is correct). Here is the source for BOTH of the PDFs: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16.lyx Thanks again, hopefully I will do the rest of the tests some other time. Peleg.
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hello. Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) and installed LyX (1.5.1) (before that I had Windows XP and LyX 1.5.something), my PDF documents are generated with low quality, both in Hebrew and English; though, DVI/PS documents are fine. I believe that it is somehow related to fonts; and I guess that this is a problem with pdflatex and not directly with LyX; but when I tried to generate PDFs from pure .tex files (with Hebrew) using pdflatex, it seems like it wasn't fuzzy, so maybe LyX DOES have something to do with that. For sure, I will add here two files that I have tested. The first test is in Hebrew and is very simple; I have tried it with pdftex command, and it worked fine. here is the code: Hi! I'm afraid I can't help too much, but it does sound like the problem is with fonts or with the tex setup, and not with LyX per se. I tried generating from the LyX file you attached and it looks fine to me (see attached; BTW, your binary attachments don't seem to have made it through...). Here are a few things you can try: *) try going the ps2pdf or dvipdfm path, instead of pdflatex. Does that make any difference? *) try exporting from LyX to .tex (both plain tex and pdflatex), and then generating the pdf from those files as if they were pure .tex. Does that work? *) If none of these things help, I would also try asking on the ivritex mailing list --- chances are someone there will be able to provide more help. Also, try providing more information abut your setup: what tex distribution are you using (TeXLive, tetex, ...)? Once you provide the answers to the above issues, perhaps we'll be able to figure out what's going wrong... Good luck! Dov a1.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Hey... First of all - thanks for your reply. Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the windows generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the ubuntu generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? Here is the source for BOTH of the PDFs: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16.lyx Thanks again, hopefully I will do the rest of the tests some other time. Peleg. On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 22:16 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hello. Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) and installed LyX (1.5.1) (before that I had Windows XP and LyX 1.5.something), my PDF documents are generated with low quality, both in Hebrew and English; though, DVI/PS documents are fine. I believe that it is somehow related to fonts; and I guess that this is a problem with pdflatex and not directly with LyX; but when I tried to generate PDFs from pure .tex files (with Hebrew) using pdflatex, it seems like it wasn't fuzzy, so maybe LyX DOES have something to do with that. For sure, I will add here two files that I have tested. The first test is in Hebrew and is very simple; I have tried it with pdftex command, and it worked fine. here is the code: Hi! I'm afraid I can't help too much, but it does sound like the problem is with fonts or with the tex setup, and not with LyX per se. I tried generating from the LyX file you attached and it looks fine to me (see attached; BTW, your binary attachments don't seem to have made it through...). Here are a few things you can try: *) try going the ps2pdf or dvipdfm path, instead of pdflatex. Does that make any difference? *) try exporting from LyX to .tex (both plain tex and pdflatex), and then generating the pdf from those files as if they were pure .tex. Does that work? *) If none of these things help, I would also try asking on the ivritex mailing list --- chances are someone there will be able to provide more help. Also, try providing more information abut your setup: what tex distribution are you using (TeXLive, tetex, ...)? Once you provide the answers to the above issues, perhaps we'll be able to figure out what's going wrong... Good luck! Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the windows generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the ubuntu generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? no. both are nearly identical (ok, the win version seem to have more bold font.) i havent installed any hebrew things here, but acroread shows both without any problems. if you reboot to win and look on your links above, do you still see the difference ? i guess it has nothing to do with tex but just your screen font or adobe reader (whats your version btw?) gets something wrong. i remember some old versions of adobe acrobat have problems with rendering fonts... pavel
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hello. Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) and installed LyX (1.5.1) (before that I had Windows XP and LyX 1.5.something), my PDF documents are generated with low quality, both in Hebrew and English; though, DVI/PS documents are fine. I believe that it is somehow related to fonts; and I guess that this is a problem with pdflatex and not directly with LyX; but when I tried to generate PDFs from pure .tex files (with Hebrew) using pdflatex, it seems like it wasn't fuzzy, so maybe LyX DOES have something to do with that. For sure, I will add here two files that I have tested. The first test is in Hebrew and is very simple; I have tried it with pdftex command, and it worked fine. here is the code: Hi! I'm afraid I can't help too much, but it does sound like the problem is with fonts or with the tex setup, and not with LyX per se. I tried generating from the LyX file you attached and it looks fine to me (see attached; BTW, your binary attachments don't seem to have made it through...). Here are a few things you can try: *) try going the ps2pdf or dvipdfm path, instead of pdflatex. Does that make any difference? *) try exporting from LyX to .tex (both plain tex and pdflatex), and then generating the pdf from those files as if they were pure .tex. Does that work? *) If none of these things help, I would also try asking on the ivritex mailing list --- chances are someone there will be able to provide more help. Also, try providing more information abut your setup: what tex distribution are you using (TeXLive, tetex, ...)? Once you provide the answers to the above issues, perhaps we'll be able to figure out what's going wrong... Good luck! Dov a1.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Hey... First of all - thanks for your reply. Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the windows generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the ubuntu generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? Here is the source for BOTH of the PDFs: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16.lyx Thanks again, hopefully I will do the rest of the tests some other time. Peleg. On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 22:16 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hello. Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) and installed LyX (1.5.1) (before that I had Windows XP and LyX 1.5.something), my PDF documents are generated with low quality, both in Hebrew and English; though, DVI/PS documents are fine. I believe that it is somehow related to fonts; and I guess that this is a problem with pdflatex and not directly with LyX; but when I tried to generate PDFs from pure .tex files (with Hebrew) using pdflatex, it seems like it wasn't fuzzy, so maybe LyX DOES have something to do with that. For sure, I will add here two files that I have tested. The first test is in Hebrew and is very simple; I have tried it with pdftex command, and it worked fine. here is the code: Hi! I'm afraid I can't help too much, but it does sound like the problem is with fonts or with the tex setup, and not with LyX per se. I tried generating from the LyX file you attached and it looks fine to me (see attached; BTW, your binary attachments don't seem to have made it through...). Here are a few things you can try: *) try going the ps2pdf or dvipdfm path, instead of pdflatex. Does that make any difference? *) try exporting from LyX to .tex (both plain tex and pdflatex), and then generating the pdf from those files as if they were pure .tex. Does that work? *) If none of these things help, I would also try asking on the ivritex mailing list --- chances are someone there will be able to provide more help. Also, try providing more information abut your setup: what tex distribution are you using (TeXLive, tetex, ...)? Once you provide the answers to the above issues, perhaps we'll be able to figure out what's going wrong... Good luck! Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the windows generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the ubuntu generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? no. both are nearly identical (ok, the win version seem to have more bold font.) i havent installed any hebrew things here, but acroread shows both without any problems. if you reboot to win and look on your links above, do you still see the difference ? i guess it has nothing to do with tex but just your screen font or adobe reader (whats your version btw?) gets something wrong. i remember some old versions of adobe acrobat have problems with rendering fonts... pavel
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Peleg Michaeli wrote: Hello. Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) and installed LyX (1.5.1) (before that I had Windows XP and LyX 1.5.something), my PDF documents are generated with low quality, both in Hebrew and English; though, DVI/PS documents are fine. I believe that it is somehow related to fonts; and I guess that this is a problem with pdflatex and not directly with LyX; but when I tried to generate PDFs from pure .tex files (with Hebrew) using pdflatex, it seems like it wasn't fuzzy, so maybe LyX DOES have something to do with that. For sure, I will add here two files that I have tested. The first test is in Hebrew and is very simple; I have tried it with pdftex command, and it worked fine. here is the code: Hi! I'm afraid I can't help too much, but it does sound like the problem is with fonts or with the tex setup, and not with LyX per se. I tried generating from the LyX file you attached and it looks fine to me (see attached; BTW, your binary attachments don't seem to have made it through...). Here are a few things you can try: *) try going the ps2pdf or dvipdfm path, instead of pdflatex. Does that make any difference? *) try exporting from LyX to .tex (both plain tex and pdflatex), and then generating the pdf from those files as if they were pure .tex. Does that work? *) If none of these things help, I would also try asking on the ivritex mailing list --- chances are someone there will be able to provide more help. Also, try providing more information abut your setup: what tex distribution are you using (TeXLive, tetex, ...)? Once you provide the answers to the above issues, perhaps we'll be able to figure out what's going wrong... Good luck! Dov a1.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Hey... First of all - thanks for your reply. Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. The link to the "windows" generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf And the link the the "ubuntu" generated PDF is here: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf See the difference? Here is the source for BOTH of the PDFs: - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16.lyx Thanks again, hopefully I will do the rest of the tests some other time. Peleg. On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 22:16 +0200, Dov Feldstern wrote: > Peleg Michaeli wrote: > > Hello. > > > > Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) and installed LyX (1.5.1) > > (before that I had Windows XP and LyX 1.5.something), my PDF documents > > are generated with low quality, both in Hebrew and English; though, > > DVI/PS documents are fine. > > > > I believe that it is somehow related to fonts; and I guess that this is > > a problem with pdflatex and not directly with LyX; but when I tried to > > generate PDFs from pure .tex files (with Hebrew) using pdflatex, it > > seems like it wasn't fuzzy, so maybe LyX DOES have something to do with > > that. > > > > For sure, I will add here two files that I have tested. The first test > > is in Hebrew and is very simple; I have tried it with pdftex command, > > and it worked fine. here is the code: > > > > Hi! > > I'm afraid I can't help too much, but it does sound like the problem is > with fonts or with the tex setup, and not with LyX per se. I tried > generating from the LyX file you attached and it looks fine to me (see > attached; BTW, your binary attachments don't seem to have made it > through...). Here are a few things you can try: > > *) try going the ps2pdf or dvipdfm path, instead of pdflatex. Does that > make any difference? > > *) try exporting from LyX to .tex (both plain tex and pdflatex), and > then generating the pdf from those files as if they were pure .tex. Does > that work? > > *) If none of these things help, I would also try asking on the ivritex > mailing list --- chances are someone there will be able to provide more > help. Also, try providing more information abut your setup: what tex > distribution are you using (TeXLive, tetex, ...)? > > Once you provide the answers to the above issues, perhaps we'll be able > to figure out what's going wrong... > > Good luck! > Dov
Re: Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
> Before I do all of your suggested tests (which I will do) I just have to > say: it seems like the pdf you've sent me has fuzzy Hebrew as well! > > Well - as I understand, PDF should embed the fonts inside it, so it's > not impossible that we see the documents in two computers in two > different ways; so for the example, I will add here links to two > documents that I have generated using LyX, one while I had Windows, and > one in my ubuntu. The two documents are generated from the same source > file, so you'll probably see the huge differences. > > The link to the "windows" generated PDF is here: > - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-windows.pdf > And the link the the "ubuntu" generated PDF is here: > - http://www.freeall.org/peleg/math/TOP_MMN16-C-ubuntu.pdf > > See the difference? no. both are nearly identical (ok, the win version seem to have more bold font.) i havent installed any hebrew things here, but acroread shows both without any problems. if you reboot to win and look on your links above, do you still see the difference ? i guess it has nothing to do with tex but just your screen font or adobe reader (whats your version btw?) gets something wrong. i remember some old versions of adobe acrobat have problems with rendering fonts... pavel
Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Hello.
Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) and installed LyX (1.5.1)
(before that I had Windows XP and LyX 1.5.something), my PDF documents
are generated with low quality, both in Hebrew and English; though,
DVI/PS documents are fine.
I believe that it is somehow related to fonts; and I guess that this is
a problem with pdflatex and not directly with LyX; but when I tried to
generate PDFs from pure .tex files (with Hebrew) using pdflatex, it
seems like it wasn't fuzzy, so maybe LyX DOES have something to do with
that.
For sure, I will add here two files that I have tested. The first test
is in Hebrew and is very simple; I have tried it with pdftex command,
and it worked fine. here is the code:
tex
\def\t{\null\hfill íåìù\break}
\def\tt{\null\hfill --- íÉåìÈù\break}
\font\a htimes at 30pt \a\t
\font\a htimes at 30pt \a\tt
\end
/tex
(forget about the encoding there...)
When I have generated the PDF using pdftex for the first time, I got the
input as you can see in the attached file (test.pdf) - no fuzziness...
though, now when I try again, I just get errors, like ! Font \a=htimes
at 30.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found..
The second test is the following code:
lyx
#LyX 1.5.1 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 276
\begin_document
\begin_header
\textclass article
\language hebrew
\inputencoding auto
\font_roman default
\font_sans default
\font_typewriter default
\font_default_family default
\font_sc false
\font_osf false
\font_sf_scale 100
\font_tt_scale 100
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single
\papersize default
\use_geometry false
\use_amsmath 1
\use_esint 1
\cite_engine basic
\use_bibtopic false
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default
\tracking_changes false
\output_changes false
\author
\author
\end_header
\begin_body
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
עברית
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
עברית
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
שלום שלום שלום שלום שלום!
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
והנה נוסחה:
\begin_inset Formula \[
\lim_{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=1}^{n}a_{n}x^{n}=3\]
\end_inset
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
וזהו.
\end_layout
\end_body
\end_document
/lyx
And this code, using LyX and pdflatex (the default, I haven't changed
anything there) generates the second attached file (newfile3.pdf).
As you can see, the English is OK, but the Hebrew is fuzzy.
So - I thought it might be related to TTF - hence I have followed this
tutorial:
http://www.guyrutenberg.com/2006/12/08/using-hebrew-truetype-fonts-with-pdftex/
which looks promising.
Everything went well following the instructions, but in the buttom line
- nothing new.
I would appreciate any help - I am an open-university student, and LyX
is my only notepad - this is how I send all of my assignments (math).
Thanks ahead,
Peleg.
(I hope the attachments will be accepted, but if not, I will send them
to anyone who care to help.)
Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Hello.
Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) and installed LyX (1.5.1)
(before that I had Windows XP and LyX 1.5.something), my PDF documents
are generated with low quality, both in Hebrew and English; though,
DVI/PS documents are fine.
I believe that it is somehow related to fonts; and I guess that this is
a problem with pdflatex and not directly with LyX; but when I tried to
generate PDFs from pure .tex files (with Hebrew) using pdflatex, it
seems like it wasn't fuzzy, so maybe LyX DOES have something to do with
that.
For sure, I will add here two files that I have tested. The first test
is in Hebrew and is very simple; I have tried it with pdftex command,
and it worked fine. here is the code:
tex
\def\t{\null\hfill íåìù\break}
\def\tt{\null\hfill --- íÉåìÈù\break}
\font\a htimes at 30pt \a\t
\font\a htimes at 30pt \a\tt
\end
/tex
(forget about the encoding there...)
When I have generated the PDF using pdftex for the first time, I got the
input as you can see in the attached file (test.pdf) - no fuzziness...
though, now when I try again, I just get errors, like ! Font \a=htimes
at 30.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found..
The second test is the following code:
lyx
#LyX 1.5.1 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 276
\begin_document
\begin_header
\textclass article
\language hebrew
\inputencoding auto
\font_roman default
\font_sans default
\font_typewriter default
\font_default_family default
\font_sc false
\font_osf false
\font_sf_scale 100
\font_tt_scale 100
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single
\papersize default
\use_geometry false
\use_amsmath 1
\use_esint 1
\cite_engine basic
\use_bibtopic false
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default
\tracking_changes false
\output_changes false
\author
\author
\end_header
\begin_body
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
עברית
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
עברית
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
שלום שלום שלום שלום שלום!
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
והנה נוסחה:
\begin_inset Formula \[
\lim_{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=1}^{n}a_{n}x^{n}=3\]
\end_inset
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
וזהו.
\end_layout
\end_body
\end_document
/lyx
And this code, using LyX and pdflatex (the default, I haven't changed
anything there) generates the second attached file (newfile3.pdf).
As you can see, the English is OK, but the Hebrew is fuzzy.
So - I thought it might be related to TTF - hence I have followed this
tutorial:
http://www.guyrutenberg.com/2006/12/08/using-hebrew-truetype-fonts-with-pdftex/
which looks promising.
Everything went well following the instructions, but in the buttom line
- nothing new.
I would appreciate any help - I am an open-university student, and LyX
is my only notepad - this is how I send all of my assignments (math).
Thanks ahead,
Peleg.
(I hope the attachments will be accepted, but if not, I will send them
to anyone who care to help.)
Fuzzy fonts (Hebrew)
Hello.
Since I have moved to Linux (ubuntu 7.04) and installed LyX (1.5.1)
(before that I had Windows XP and LyX 1.5.something), my PDF documents
are generated with low quality, both in Hebrew and English; though,
DVI/PS documents are fine.
I believe that it is somehow related to fonts; and I guess that this is
a problem with pdflatex and not directly with LyX; but when I tried to
generate PDFs from pure .tex files (with Hebrew) using pdflatex, it
seems like it wasn't fuzzy, so maybe LyX DOES have something to do with
that.
For sure, I will add here two files that I have tested. The first test
is in Hebrew and is very simple; I have tried it with pdftex command,
and it worked fine. here is the code:
\def\t{\null\hfill íåìù\break}
\def\tt{\null\hfill --- íÉåìÈù\break}
\font\a htimes at 30pt \a\t
\font\a htimes at 30pt \a\tt
\end
(forget about the encoding there...)
When I have generated the PDF using pdftex for the first time, I got the
input as you can see in the attached file (test.pdf) - no fuzziness...
though, now when I try again, I just get errors, like "! Font \a=htimes
at 30.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found.".
The second test is the following code:
#LyX 1.5.1 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 276
\begin_document
\begin_header
\textclass article
\language hebrew
\inputencoding auto
\font_roman default
\font_sans default
\font_typewriter default
\font_default_family default
\font_sc false
\font_osf false
\font_sf_scale 100
\font_tt_scale 100
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single
\papersize default
\use_geometry false
\use_amsmath 1
\use_esint 1
\cite_engine basic
\use_bibtopic false
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default
\tracking_changes false
\output_changes false
\author ""
\author ""
\end_header
\begin_body
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Peleg Michaeli is writing a test PDF.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
What is this PDF good for? many things.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
\lang english
Mostly - a test.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
עברית
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
עברית
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
שלום שלום שלום שלום שלום!
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
פלג מיכאלי כותב דף שמטרתו ניסיון ב-
\lang english
PDF
\lang hebrew
, ותו לא.
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
והנה נוסחה:
\begin_inset Formula \[
\lim_{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=1}^{n}a_{n}x^{n}=3\]
\end_inset
\end_layout
\begin_layout Standard
וזהו.
\end_layout
\end_body
\end_document
And this code, using LyX and pdflatex (the default, I haven't changed
anything there) generates the second attached file (newfile3.pdf).
As you can see, the English is OK, but the Hebrew is fuzzy.
So - I thought it might be related to TTF - hence I have followed this
tutorial:
http://www.guyrutenberg.com/2006/12/08/using-hebrew-truetype-fonts-with-pdftex/
which looks promising.
Everything went well following the instructions, but in the buttom line
- nothing new.
I would appreciate any help - I am an open-university student, and LyX
is my only notepad - this is how I send all of my assignments (math).
Thanks ahead,
Peleg.
(I hope the attachments will be accepted, but if not, I will send them
to anyone who care to help.)
