Re: LyX and Docbook/XML
On Wednesday 26 November 2008 20:13:29 Ethan Metsger wrote: > On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:26 -0500, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-) > > I'm currently recovering from one, too--no worries about the delay. > > > What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix > > them > > in both the stable and the development series. > > > > I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml > > generated docbook. > > I'll file some bug reports (and throw them back in this thread), but in Please do. > general it looks like the tag is improperly generated (using > 'lang="EN_US"' appears to be invalid), and I have not been able to get OK, the right language should be "EN", I thought I had this working, I will fix it. The best fix would probably to have a list of supported stylesheet languages and if necessary return the nearest. > graphics properly embedded in the HTML output. The section > is also not properly outputted; I suspect this can be fixed pretty easily > by layout changes, but I'm not sure. A better error handling would allow to understand what the error is. > The user-customized preamble is put into the doctype declaration, too--I > don't really consider this a bug, but I was a little surprised to find it > in the output. The rationale is that is the only place where you can define entities. This is more or less the analog of latex preamble although you do more in latex than just to define constants. > LyX is also a few revisions behind in its DocBook support, at least > according to the doctype (I think 4.4 is the last 4.x revision, and 5.x is > current; the generated XML says that it's using 4.2). That can be easily changed in the layout file. I should have updated the layout before the last update to 1.6.0. Again one of the problems it that this is not documented. > I've used both the sgmltools package and the sgml2x package. I'll make > sure to describe the pertinent information in the bugzilla filings when > the time comes, as the two seem to work slightly differently. > > Thanks again for all your hard work, guys; I really do appreciate it. Thanks, > Best, > > Ethan > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- José Abílio
Re: LyX and Docbook/XML
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:26 -0500, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-) I'm currently recovering from one, too--no worries about the delay. What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix them in both the stable and the development series. I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml generated docbook. I'll file some bug reports (and throw them back in this thread), but in general it looks like the tag is improperly generated (using 'lang="EN_US"' appears to be invalid), and I have not been able to get graphics properly embedded in the HTML output. The section is also not properly outputted; I suspect this can be fixed pretty easily by layout changes, but I'm not sure. The user-customized preamble is put into the doctype declaration, too--I don't really consider this a bug, but I was a little surprised to find it in the output. LyX is also a few revisions behind in its DocBook support, at least according to the doctype (I think 4.4 is the last 4.x revision, and 5.x is current; the generated XML says that it's using 4.2). I've used both the sgmltools package and the sgml2x package. I'll make sure to describe the pertinent information in the bugzilla filings when the time comes, as the two seem to work slightly differently. Thanks again for all your hard work, guys; I really do appreciate it. Best, Ethan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: LyX and Docbook/XML
On Friday 21 November 2008 16:18:35 Ethan Metsger wrote: > Hi, all. > > I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply > by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!). But can anyone > comment on this? I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-) > For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or > put on anyone. I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a > little to spur its adoption among my general work populace. What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix them in both the stable and the development series. I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml generated docbook. > Thanks again, > > Ethan -- José Abílio
Re: LyX and Docbook/XML
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:30:47 -0500, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I considered both LyX and DocBook. At the time, the only free software front end I could find for DocBook was Emacs, and my wrists just aren't that flexible. Hi, Steve. Thanks for your comments. My issue at this point isn't converting to LyX--I already know I *want* to use it. The issue is that management prefers to avoid LaTeX and instead opt for our local industry standard, which is DocBook. We're also involved in the XML databinding business, so spending some extra time with XML-related technologies is more comfortable in general. LyX works well with DocBook/SGML (save for a few problems I've had with images). DocBook, however, is transitioning away from SGML to XML, and LyX doesn't support the XML format as well as I need. My attempts to transform the XML export into HTML failed, and I think this is because the XML export from LyX is not compatible. If LyX isn't DocBook/XML-ready, that's fine--I'll continue using it for my one-off docs that I write for our customers. But if it can be fairly easily used to produce DocBook/XML, I'll press a bit harder for its adoption through the rest of the office. Thanks again for your thoughts, Ethan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: LyX and Docbook/XML
Ethan Metsger wrote: Hi, all. I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!). But can anyone comment on this? For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or put on anyone. I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a little to spur its adoption among my general work populace. DocBook support is a bit of a black art around here. There are people who know about it, but not many. Hence the silence. But I'm ccing on the people who do know. rh
Re: LyX and Docbook/XML
Back in 2001, switching away from writing books in MS Word (yeah, laugh all you want), I considered both LyX and DocBook. At the time, the only free software front end I could find for DocBook was Emacs, and my wrists just aren't that flexible. LyX benefits: * VERY fast writing environment. 3000 words per day no problem if you think that fast. * WYSIWYG enough that you don't need to switch between input view and output view. * Very nice presentation on paper with little effort. * Easy to tweak with an editor if the LyX front end doesn't cut it for a task. * Lots of LaTeX packages to do specialized stuff. LyX disadvantages: * Creating or modifying styles is excruciatingly difficult and requires LaTeX/TeX knowledge. HTH SteveT On Friday 21 November 2008 11:18:35 am Ethan Metsger wrote: > Hi, all. > > I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply > by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!). But can anyone > comment on this? > > For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or > put on anyone. I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a > little to spur its adoption among my general work populace. > > Thanks again, > > Ethan > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:43:43 -0500, Ethan Metsger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > Hi, all. > > > > I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with > > Docbook/XML. I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the > > past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online > > haven't turned up much else, either. > > > > We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our > > documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a > > front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much > > traction. > > > > My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and > > it's an accepted standard in our industry. There are some commercial > > products for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered > > that LyX provides some support for it also. > > > > > > I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I > > created when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results > > from the exported XML. Some online reading leads me to believe that > > this is a somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to > > undertake, but I thought I would ask here. Is there a good workflow for > > using Docbook/XML with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Ethan > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: LyX and Docbook/XML
Hi, all. I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!). But can anyone comment on this? For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or put on anyone. I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a little to spur its adoption among my general work populace. Thanks again, Ethan On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:43:43 -0500, Ethan Metsger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, all. I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with Docbook/XML. I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online haven't turned up much else, either. We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much traction. My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and it's an accepted standard in our industry. There are some commercial products for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered that LyX provides some support for it also. I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I created when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results from the exported XML. Some online reading leads me to believe that this is a somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to undertake, but I thought I would ask here. Is there a good workflow for using Docbook/XML with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it? Thanks much, Ethan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
LyX and Docbook/XML
Hi, all. I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with Docbook/XML. I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online haven't turned up much else, either. We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much traction. My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and it's an accepted standard in our industry. There are some commercial products for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered that LyX provides some support for it also. I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I created when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results from the exported XML. Some online reading leads me to believe that this is a somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to undertake, but I thought I would ask here. Is there a good workflow for using Docbook/XML with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it? Thanks much, Ethan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
