Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> Liviu Andronic wrote:
>> I think that best would be to rename it to 'URW Palladio (Palatino)',
>> similar to the 'URW Classico (Optima)' that was recently added in 2.1.
>
> Bugtracker? Pavel
>
And patch: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8585

Liviu



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Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Pavel Sanda]

Liviu Andronic wrote:
> I think that best would be to rename it to 'URW Palladio (Palatino)',
> similar to the 'URW Classico (Optima)' that was recently added in 2.1.

Bugtracker? Pavel

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:45 PM, UD  wrote:
> Thanks, Liviu-- this was very helpful. However:
>
> It still leaves open the question of why I cannot compile a document (with
> neither Xetex nor Luatex) with a font that is available from the (non-TeX)
> Lyx's list of fonts.
>
Others on the list are more knowledgeable than me on this.


> I guess that since the standard Palatino is really URWPalladio, then that
> entry in the non-TeX list should be removed
>
The TeX and non-TeX fonts are very different beasts. And *both* types
of URWPalladio are available on your system. For some reason the
non-TeX version of URWPalladio doesn't work for you.


> and Palatino should be renamed
> as URWPalladio.
>
I think that best would be to rename it to 'URW Palladio (Palatino)',
similar to the 'URW Classico (Optima)' that was recently added in 2.1.

Regards,
Liviu


> This foray into the world of font names, copyrights and shapes has been
> fascinating and educational for me.
>
> Yours,
> Ehud
>
> On 03/09/2013 08:51 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:34 AM, UD  wrote:
>
> Liviu,
> The issue was not whether anything worked with Palatino-- I said earlier on
> that it did, but could not tell whether Palatino was the same as Palatino
> Linotype.  The question was why URWPalladio, which is said to be a free
> clone of the commercial Palatino Linotype, and which appears in the list of
> non-Latex fonts,
>
> I'm not sure if this answers your question, but when you compile the
> attached file (which selects "Palatino" in the TeX fonts), you will
> obtain a PDF document (attached) that uses URWPalladio. Check it with
> your favourite PDF viewer (acroread, Evince, etc.). This is the free
> clone of Palatino Linotype. You don't need to select non-TeX fonts in
> order to get URWPalladio in the PDF and/or use XeTeX.
>
> Let me know if I'm still not clear enough,
> Liviu
>
> PS "Palatino" in LyX Doc Settings is not Palatino Linotype but it is
> URWPalladio. Maybe we need to rename that to something more suitable.
>
>
> fails to compile with Lyx, even though it appears to be
> install on my Lubuntu 12.10 system.  If you can show me how to compile it I
> shall be grateful.
> Yours,
> EK
>
>
> On 03/08/2013 11:59 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:18 PM, EK  wrote:
>
> URWPalladio does NOT work with XeTeX.
>
> It does. Take the attached file and compile it with XeTeX. Note that
> XeTeX also works with TeX fonts.
>
> Liviu
>
>
> EK
>
>
> On 03/07/2013 06:47 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:
>
> On 2013-03-07, EK wrote:
>
> However, when I click: View(other format)/pdf(Luatex), I get a
> "font-not-found" error.
>
> How about XeTeX?
>
> If, instead of choosing URWpalladio I select texgyrepagella, everything
> works just fine.
> So for some mysterious reason, Latex fails to find the urwpalladio, but
> does find the texgyrepagella.
>
> I think it is just Lua(La)TeX that fails. And this may be a known problem
> or something to do with your setup or ... -- I don't think LyX should be
> blamed (at least if it works with XeTeX) because differentiating between
> system fonts that work with XeTeX and not LuaTeX is overkill. Rather this
> should be fixed on the LuaTeX side.
>
> BTW-- I ran texhash just to make sure the database was updated.
>
> I don't think this helps with LuaTeX font problems. AFAIK, there is a
> separate LuaTeX font database but I did not dive into LuaTeX yet.
>
> Günter
>
>
> --
> Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
> Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
> Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
> Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
> Friedman Brain Institute
> Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
> The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
> One Gustave Levy Place,
> NY, NY, 10029
>
>
>
> --
> Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
> Jules & Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
> Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
> Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
> The Friedman Brain Institute
> Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
> The Ichan School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
> One Gustave Levy Place,
> NY, NY, 10029
>
>
>
> --
> Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
> Jules & Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
> Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
> Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
> The Friedman Brain Institute
> Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
> The Ichan School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
> One Gustave Levy Place,
> NY, NY, 10029



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Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[UD]

  
  
Thanks, Liviu-- this was very helpful. However:

  It still leaves open the question of why I cannot compile a
document (with neither Xetex nor Luatex) with a font that is
available from the (non-TeX) Lyx's list of fonts.
  I guess that since the standard Palatino is really
URWPalladio, then that entry in the non-TeX list should be
removed and Palatino should be renamed as URWPalladio.
  

This foray into the world of font names, copyrights and shapes has
been fascinating and educational for me.

Yours,
Ehud 

On 03/09/2013 08:51 AM, Liviu Andronic
  wrote:


  On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:34 AM, UD  wrote:

  
Liviu,
The issue was not whether anything worked with Palatino-- I said earlier on
that it did, but could not tell whether Palatino was the same as Palatino
Linotype.  The question was why URWPalladio, which is said to be a free
clone of the commercial Palatino Linotype, and which appears in the list of
non-Latex fonts,


  
  I'm not sure if this answers your question, but when you compile the
attached file (which selects "Palatino" in the TeX fonts), you will
obtain a PDF document (attached) that uses URWPalladio. Check it with
your favourite PDF viewer (acroread, Evince, etc.). This is the free
clone of Palatino Linotype. You don't need to select non-TeX fonts in
order to get URWPalladio in the PDF and/or use XeTeX.

Let me know if I'm still not clear enough,
Liviu

PS "Palatino" in LyX Doc Settings is not Palatino Linotype but it is
URWPalladio. Maybe we need to rename that to something more suitable.



  
fails to compile with Lyx, even though it appears to be
install on my Lubuntu 12.10 system.  If you can show me how to compile it I
shall be grateful.
Yours,
EK


On 03/08/2013 11:59 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:18 PM, EK  wrote:

URWPalladio does NOT work with XeTeX.

It does. Take the attached file and compile it with XeTeX. Note that
XeTeX also works with TeX fonts.

Liviu


EK


On 03/07/2013 06:47 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2013-03-07, EK wrote:

However, when I click: View(other format)/pdf(Luatex), I get a
"font-not-found" error.

How about XeTeX?

If, instead of choosing URWpalladio I select texgyrepagella, everything
works just fine.
So for some mysterious reason, Latex fails to find the urwpalladio, but
does find the texgyrepagella.

I think it is just Lua(La)TeX that fails. And this may be a known problem
or something to do with your setup or ... -- I don't think LyX should be
blamed (at least if it works with XeTeX) because differentiating between
system fonts that work with XeTeX and not LuaTeX is overkill. Rather this
should be fixed on the LuaTeX side.

BTW-- I ran texhash just to make sure the database was updated.

I don't think this helps with LuaTeX font problems. AFAIK, there is a
separate LuaTeX font database but I did not dive into LuaTeX yet.

Günter


--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
Friedman Brain Institute
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
One Gustave Levy Place,
NY, NY, 10029



--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules & Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
The Friedman Brain Institute
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
The Ichan School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
One Gustave Levy Place,
NY, NY, 10029

  
  





-- 
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules & Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
The Friedman Brain Institute
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
The Ichan School of Medicine at Mount Sinai 
One Gustave Levy Place,
NY, NY, 10029
  

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:34 AM, UD  wrote:
> Liviu,
> The issue was not whether anything worked with Palatino-- I said earlier on
> that it did, but could not tell whether Palatino was the same as Palatino
> Linotype.  The question was why URWPalladio, which is said to be a free
> clone of the commercial Palatino Linotype, and which appears in the list of
> non-Latex fonts,
>
I'm not sure if this answers your question, but when you compile the
attached file (which selects "Palatino" in the TeX fonts), you will
obtain a PDF document (attached) that uses URWPalladio. Check it with
your favourite PDF viewer (acroread, Evince, etc.). This is the free
clone of Palatino Linotype. You don't need to select non-TeX fonts in
order to get URWPalladio in the PDF and/or use XeTeX.

Let me know if I'm still not clear enough,
Liviu

PS "Palatino" in LyX Doc Settings is not Palatino Linotype but it is
URWPalladio. Maybe we need to rename that to something more suitable.


> fails to compile with Lyx, even though it appears to be
> install on my Lubuntu 12.10 system.  If you can show me how to compile it I
> shall be grateful.
> Yours,
> EK
>
>
> On 03/08/2013 11:59 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:18 PM, EK  wrote:
>
> URWPalladio does NOT work with XeTeX.
>
> It does. Take the attached file and compile it with XeTeX. Note that
> XeTeX also works with TeX fonts.
>
> Liviu
>
>
> EK
>
>
> On 03/07/2013 06:47 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:
>
> On 2013-03-07, EK wrote:
>
> However, when I click: View(other format)/pdf(Luatex), I get a
> "font-not-found" error.
>
> How about XeTeX?
>
> If, instead of choosing URWpalladio I select texgyrepagella, everything
> works just fine.
> So for some mysterious reason, Latex fails to find the urwpalladio, but
> does find the texgyrepagella.
>
> I think it is just Lua(La)TeX that fails. And this may be a known problem
> or something to do with your setup or ... -- I don't think LyX should be
> blamed (at least if it works with XeTeX) because differentiating between
> system fonts that work with XeTeX and not LuaTeX is overkill. Rather this
> should be fixed on the LuaTeX side.
>
> BTW-- I ran texhash just to make sure the database was updated.
>
> I don't think this helps with LuaTeX font problems. AFAIK, there is a
> separate LuaTeX font database but I did not dive into LuaTeX yet.
>
> Günter
>
>
> --
> Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
> Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
> Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
> Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
> Friedman Brain Institute
> Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
> The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
> One Gustave Levy Place,
> NY, NY, 10029
>
>
>
> --
> Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
> Jules & Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
> Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
> Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
> The Friedman Brain Institute
> Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
> The Ichan School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
> One Gustave Levy Place,
> NY, NY, 10029



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Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[UD]

  
  
Liviu,
The issue was not whether anything worked with Palatino-- I said
earlier on that it did, but could not tell whether Palatino was the
same as Palatino Linotype.  The question was why URWPalladio, which
is said to be a free clone of the commercial Palatino Linotype, and
which appears in the list of non-Latex fonts, fails to compile with
Lyx, even though it appears to be install on my Lubuntu 12.10
system.  If you can show me how to compile it I shall be grateful.
Yours,
EK

On 03/08/2013 11:59 AM, Liviu Andronic
  wrote:


  On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:18 PM, EK  wrote:

  
URWPalladio does NOT work with XeTeX.


  
  It does. Take the attached file and compile it with XeTeX. Note that
XeTeX also works with TeX fonts.

Liviu



  
EK


On 03/07/2013 06:47 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2013-03-07, EK wrote:

However, when I click: View(other format)/pdf(Luatex), I get a
"font-not-found" error.

How about XeTeX?

If, instead of choosing URWpalladio I select texgyrepagella, everything
works just fine.
So for some mysterious reason, Latex fails to find the urwpalladio, but
does find the texgyrepagella.

I think it is just Lua(La)TeX that fails. And this may be a known problem
or something to do with your setup or ... -- I don't think LyX should be
blamed (at least if it works with XeTeX) because differentiating between
system fonts that work with XeTeX and not LuaTeX is overkill. Rather this
should be fixed on the LuaTeX side.

BTW-- I ran texhash just to make sure the database was updated.

I don't think this helps with LuaTeX font problems. AFAIK, there is a
separate LuaTeX font database but I did not dive into LuaTeX yet.

Günter


--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
Friedman Brain Institute
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
One Gustave Levy Place,
NY, NY, 10029

  
  





-- 
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules & Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
The Friedman Brain Institute
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
The Ichan School of Medicine at Mount Sinai 
One Gustave Levy Place,
NY, NY, 10029
  

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:18 PM, EK  wrote:
> URWPalladio does NOT work with XeTeX.
>
It does. Take the attached file and compile it with XeTeX. Note that
XeTeX also works with TeX fonts.

Liviu


> EK
>
>
> On 03/07/2013 06:47 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:
>
> On 2013-03-07, EK wrote:
>
> However, when I click: View(other format)/pdf(Luatex), I get a
> "font-not-found" error.
>
> How about XeTeX?
>
> If, instead of choosing URWpalladio I select texgyrepagella, everything
> works just fine.
> So for some mysterious reason, Latex fails to find the urwpalladio, but
> does find the texgyrepagella.
>
> I think it is just Lua(La)TeX that fails. And this may be a known problem
> or something to do with your setup or ... -- I don't think LyX should be
> blamed (at least if it works with XeTeX) because differentiating between
> system fonts that work with XeTeX and not LuaTeX is overkill. Rather this
> should be fixed on the LuaTeX side.
>
> BTW-- I ran texhash just to make sure the database was updated.
>
> I don't think this helps with LuaTeX font problems. AFAIK, there is a
> separate LuaTeX font database but I did not dive into LuaTeX yet.
>
> Günter
>
>
> --
> Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
> Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness Professor
> Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
> Director, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
> Friedman Brain Institute
> Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
> The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
> One Gustave Levy Place,
> NY, NY, 10029



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Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[EK]

  
  
URWPalladio does NOT work with XeTeX.
EK

On 03/07/2013 06:47 PM, Guenter Milde
  wrote:


  On 2013-03-07, EK wrote:


  
However, when I click: View(other format)/pdf(Luatex), I get a
"font-not-found" error. 

  
  
How about XeTeX?


  
If, instead of choosing URWpalladio I select texgyrepagella, everything
works just fine. 
So for some mysterious reason, Latex fails to find the urwpalladio, but
does find the texgyrepagella.

  
  
I think it is just Lua(La)TeX that fails. And this may be a known problem
or something to do with your setup or ... -- I don't think LyX should be
blamed (at least if it works with XeTeX) because differentiating between
system fonts that work with XeTeX and not LuaTeX is overkill. Rather this
should be fixed on the LuaTeX side.


  
BTW-- I ran texhash just to make sure the database was updated.

  
  
I don't think this helps with LuaTeX font problems. AFAIK, there is a 
separate LuaTeX font database but I did not dive into LuaTeX yet.

Günter




-- 
  
  Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
  Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness
  Professor
  Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational
  Neuroscience
  Director, Center for Excellence in Computational &
  Systems Neuroscience
  Friedman Brain Institute
  Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural &
  Chemical Biology,
  The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
  One Gustave Levy Place, 
  NY, NY, 10029 

  

Re: texlive-lang-greek >>> was Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-03-08, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 7. März 2013, 18:32:16 schrieb EK:
>>  Wolfgang,
>>  If you are in Windows, you can use the tlmgr (the Texlive package
>> manager) to install support for Greek. If you are in Linux (as I am),
>> you can use the Linux package manager (since I use (L)ubuntu, for me
>> this is synaptic)-- search on texlive in synaptic and you'll see
>> something like: texlive-lang-greek.  Install it and everything will be
>> nice. HTH--
>>  Ehud


> Thanks, Ehud.

> however, I am on Linux Debian squeeze and synaptic has 
> texlive 9-11 squeeze 1 
> as the newest version.

> I do have texlive 2012 from the TeX Collection 2012 on a DVD somewhere on 
> the PC with paths set to it but have to find out first. Takes time in my 
> age...

> May be I should install it again from the DVD to the correct place in the 
> root tree...

You can simply try with texlive-lang-greek from squeeze. If it is too old,
I'd rather recommend texlive 2012 from Debian/testing instead of a local
install. Simply add 

deb http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/ testing main contrib 
non-free

(or another repo) to to /etc/apt/sources.list und do a selective
update/install (just texlive and dependencies).

Günter

texlive-lang-greek >>> was Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Donnerstag, 7. März 2013, 18:32:16 schrieb EK:
>  Wolfgang,
>  If you are in Windows, you can use the tlmgr (the Texlive package
> manager) to install support for Greek. If you are in Linux (as I am),
> you can use the Linux package manager (since I use (L)ubuntu, for me
> this is synaptic)-- search on texlive in synaptic and you'll see
> something like: texlive-lang-greek.  Install it and everything will be
> nice. HTH--
>  Ehud
> 
> 
Thanks, Ehud.

however, I am on Linux Debian squeeze and synaptic has 
texlive 9-11 squeeze 1 
as the newest version.

I do have texlive 2012 from the TeX Collection 2012 on a DVD somewhere on 
the PC with paths set to it but have to find out first. Takes time in my 
age...

May be I should install it again from the DVD to the correct place in the 
root tree...

Wolfgang

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-03-07, EK wrote:

> However, when I click: View(other format)/pdf(Luatex), I get a
> "font-not-found" error. 

How about XeTeX?

> If, instead of choosing URWpalladio I select texgyrepagella, everything
> works just fine. 
> So for some mysterious reason, Latex fails to find the urwpalladio, but
> does find the texgyrepagella.

I think it is just Lua(La)TeX that fails. And this may be a known problem
or something to do with your setup or ... -- I don't think LyX should be
blamed (at least if it works with XeTeX) because differentiating between
system fonts that work with XeTeX and not LuaTeX is overkill. Rather this
should be fixed on the LuaTeX side.

> BTW-- I ran texhash just to make sure the database was updated.

I don't think this helps with LuaTeX font problems. AFAIK, there is a 
separate LuaTeX font database but I did not dive into LuaTeX yet.

Günter

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Donnerstag, 7. März 2013, 12:39:37 schrieb Guenter Milde:
> On 2013-03-06, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, 5. März 2013, 18:31:50 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
> >> Am Dienstag 05 März 2013, 11:29:30 schrieb ehud.kap...@gmail.com:
> > using \usepackage{tgpagella} I get the following error message:
> > Font LGR/cmr/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM)
> > file no
> > Font LGR/qpl/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM)
> > file no
> > 
> > and the following description of it:
> >  Dbp, Ror\textgreek{g}
> >  
> > , RevErb\textgreek{a},
> > RevErb\textgreek{b},
> > 
> > Dec1...
> 
> What is Rorγ, RevErbα, or RevErbβ?
 transkriptional repressors respectively activators
(has to do with gene expression and -regulation)
  
> 
> > You might try inserting a different font spec;
> > e.g., type `I\font='.
> > 
> > which refers to
> > \textgreek{a} etc
> > (an upright alpha)
> 
> This is a *text* alpha, not necessarily upright but changing shape like
> any other text (e.g. italic in case of \emph{RevErb\textgreek{b}}).
> 
> The \textgreek command uses TeX fonts in the "LGR" font encoding.
> However, it seems you do not have installed support for Greek text, as
> even the fallback Computer Modern does not support this font encoding.
> Depending on your OS and LaTeX distribution, you will need to install
> some package(s) to support Greek text first (texlive-lang-greek with
> Debian).
> 
> > I had changed in document settings>fonts all to default because of
> > using
> > \usepackage{tgpagella}
> > 
> > is tgpagella not able to handle upright greek?
> 
> AFAIK, there are some greek letters in the OTF version of TG Pagella.
> However, as
> 
> * LGR is no "official" LaTeX font encoding and
> * the TeX Gyre fonts are missing most accented Greek letters
> 
> there is no support for Greek with TeX Gyre fonts under 8-bit TeX
> engines.
> 
> > and what different font spec would be recommendable to handle it?
> 
> Options are:
> 
> * use "non-TeX fonts" with XeTeX or LuaTeX


> 
> * install support for Greek text as well as suitable Greek TeX fonts
>   e.g. GFS Didot
>   (http://mirror.ctan.org/help/Catalogue/entries/gfsdidot.html) and set
>   up a substitute font for the LGR encding.
> 
>   The "substitutefont" package may help here.
>   http://www.ctan.org/pkg/substitutefont
> 
>   Example: Palatino with the standard package `mathpazo` for Latin and
>   GFS Didot
>   for Greek::
> 
> \usepackage[sc,slantedGreek]{mathpazo}
> \substitutefont{LGR}{pplx}{udidot}
> 
> 

Thanks,  Günter, for the proposals. I have for the time beeing taken the 
greek inserts from the math selections

Wolfgang

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[EK]

  
  
"I see URWPalladio only
  listed
  when clicking the "non TeX fonts" button (i.e. for use with Lua-
  or XeTeX
  engines). URWPalladio is installed system-wide by ghostscript, so
  it should
  work with XeTeX/LuaTeX.
"  
Again, I agree that it SHOULD work, since it seems to be installed
with ghostscript, and when I use font-manager, it finds and shows
the urwpalladio font without any problem.  
However, when I click: View(other format)/pdf(Luatex), I get a
"font-not-found" error.  
If, instead of choosing URWpalladio I select texgyrepagella,
everything works just fine.  
So for some mysterious reason, Latex fails to find the urwpalladio,
but does find the texgyrepagella. 
I think it just shows how little I know about the way Latex manages
the fonts on the system.
BTW-- I ran texhash just to make sure the database was updated.

Ehud


On 03/07/2013 06:27 AM, Guenter Milde
  wrote:


  On 2013-03-06, EK wrote:


  
body p { margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; } "OTOH, the font
selection dialogue should not let you select a font that is not
installed on your system."--
I agree wholeheartedly.  In fact, LyX 2.0.5.1 under Windows XT does
tell me (right in the list) that the font was not installed,
but the same version of Lyx under Lubuntu 12.10 64 bits omits this
useful note.  Both systems run TexLive 2012.
Since under (L)ubuntu the tlmgr (the package manager for TexLive) is not
normally available, and since URWPalladio does not appear in the ubuntu
repositories, I could not use it.

  
  
Here, with LyX 2.0 under Debian/testing, I see URWPalladio only listed
when clicking the "non TeX fonts" button (i.e. for use with Lua- or XeTeX
engines). URWPalladio is installed system-wide by ghostscript, so it should
work with XeTeX/LuaTeX.

I don't think that there is a separate entry for URWPalladio under the
TeX fonts - the TeX version is available as "Palatino" using the
"mathptmx" LaTeX package.

Günter




-- 
  
  Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
  Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness
  Professor
  Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational
  Neuroscience
  Director, Center for Excellence in Computational &
  Systems Neuroscience
  Friedman Brain Institute
  Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural &
  Chemical Biology,
  The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
  One Gustave Levy Place, 
  NY, NY, 10029 

  

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[EK]

  
  
Wolfgang,
If you are in Windows, you can use the tlmgr (the Texlive package
manager) to install support for Greek.
If you are in Linux (as I am), you can use the Linux package manager
(since I use (L)ubuntu, for me this is synaptic)--
search on texlive in synaptic and you'll see something like:
texlive-lang-greek.  Install it and everything will be nice.
HTH--
Ehud

On 03/07/2013 03:05 AM, Wolfgang
  Engelmann wrote:


  Am Mittwoch, 6. März 2013, 18:45:57 schrieb EK:

  
 Did you include Greek among the languages that LaTeX supports?

 EK

  
  
Thanks, Ehud, for the feedback,

but where is this done? In the preamble? and how? (\usepackage ...?)
or in 
Document settings > Language?
There I have selected for Encoding
Language German
which is the Language I use in this document

and played around with
language default, other, language package 
(greek, babel, utf8 ..)
but got errors 

Or is it done just before the Greek symbols (which occur only at a few 
occassions in the document)?

Wolfgang

  



On 03/06/2013 02:05 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Am Dienstag, 5. März 2013, 18:31:50 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:

Am Dienstag 05 März 2013, 11:29:30 schrieb ehud.kap...@gmail.com:


  
  -snip---

  

An alternative is TeX Gyre Pagella, also a Palatino clone, which you can
call by
\usepackage{tgpagella}

in the preamble.

Hallo,

using \usepackage{tgpagella} I get the following error message:
Font LGR/cmr/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM)
file no
Font LGR/qpl/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM)
file no

and the following description of it:
 Dbp, Ror\textgreek{g}
, RevErb\textgreek{a}, RevErb\textgreek{b},
Dec1...
I wasn't able to read the size data for this font,
so I will ignore the font specification.
[Wizards can fix TFM files using TFtoPL/PLtoTF.]
You might try inserting a different font spec;
e.g., type `I\font='.

which refers to
\textgreek{a} etc
(an upright alpha)

I had changed in document settings>fonts all to default because of
using
\usepackage{tgpagella}

is tgpagella not able to handle upright greek?

and what different font spec would be recommendable to handle it?

Wolfgang

  
  



-- 
  
  Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
  Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness
  Professor
  Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational
  Neuroscience
  Director, Center for Excellence in Computational &
  Systems Neuroscience
  Friedman Brain Institute
  Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural &
  Chemical Biology,
  The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
  One Gustave Levy Place, 
  NY, NY, 10029 

  

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-03-06, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 5. März 2013, 18:31:50 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
>> Am Dienstag 05 März 2013, 11:29:30 schrieb ehud.kap...@gmail.com:


> using \usepackage{tgpagella} I get the following error message:
> Font LGR/cmr/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file 
> no
> Font LGR/qpl/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file 
> no

> and the following description of it:
>  Dbp, Ror\textgreek{g}
> , RevErb\textgreek{a}, RevErb\textgreek{b}, 
> Dec1...

What is Rorγ, RevErbα, or RevErbβ? 

> You might try inserting a different font spec;
> e.g., type `I\font='.

> which refers to
> \textgreek{a} etc
> (an upright alpha)

This is a *text* alpha, not necessarily upright but changing shape like any
other text (e.g. italic in case of \emph{RevErb\textgreek{b}}).

The \textgreek command uses TeX fonts in the "LGR" font encoding. However,
it seems you do not have installed support for Greek text, as even the
fallback Computer Modern does not support this font encoding.
Depending on your OS and LaTeX distribution, you will need to install some
package(s) to support Greek text first (texlive-lang-greek with Debian).

> I had changed in document settings>fonts all to default because of
> using 
> \usepackage{tgpagella}

> is tgpagella not able to handle upright greek?

AFAIK, there are some greek letters in the OTF version of TG Pagella.
However, as

* LGR is no "official" LaTeX font encoding and
* the TeX Gyre fonts are missing most accented Greek letters

there is no support for Greek with TeX Gyre fonts under 8-bit TeX engines.

> and what different font spec would be recommendable to handle it?

Options are:

* use "non-TeX fonts" with XeTeX or LuaTeX

* install support for Greek text as well as suitable Greek TeX fonts
  e.g. GFS Didot
  (http://mirror.ctan.org/help/Catalogue/entries/gfsdidot.html) and set
  up a substitute font for the LGR encding.
  
  The "substitutefont" package may help here.
  http://www.ctan.org/pkg/substitutefont
  
  Example: Palatino with the standard package `mathpazo` for Latin and 
  GFS Didot 
  for Greek::
  
\usepackage[sc,slantedGreek]{mathpazo}
\substitutefont{LGR}{pplx}{udidot}

  
  
Günter  

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-03-06, EK wrote:

> body p { margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; } "OTOH, the font
> selection dialogue should not let you select a font that is not
> installed on your system."--
> I agree wholeheartedly.  In fact, LyX 2.0.5.1 under Windows XT does
> tell me (right in the list) that the font was not installed,
> but the same version of Lyx under Lubuntu 12.10 64 bits omits this
> useful note.  Both systems run TexLive 2012.
> Since under (L)ubuntu the tlmgr (the package manager for TexLive) is not
> normally available, and since URWPalladio does not appear in the ubuntu
> repositories, I could not use it.

Here, with LyX 2.0 under Debian/testing, I see URWPalladio only listed
when clicking the "non TeX fonts" button (i.e. for use with Lua- or XeTeX
engines). URWPalladio is installed system-wide by ghostscript, so it should
work with XeTeX/LuaTeX.

I don't think that there is a separate entry for URWPalladio under the
TeX fonts - the TeX version is available as "Palatino" using the
"mathptmx" LaTeX package.

Günter

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Mittwoch, 6. März 2013, 18:45:57 schrieb EK:
>  Did you include Greek among the languages that LaTeX supports?
> 
>  EK

Thanks, Ehud, for the feedback,

but where is this done? In the preamble? and how? (\usepackage ...?)
or in 
Document settings > Language?
There I have selected for Encoding
Language German
which is the Language I use in this document

and played around with
language default, other, language package 
(greek, babel, utf8 ..)
but got errors 

Or is it done just before the Greek symbols (which occur only at a few 
occassions in the document)?

Wolfgang
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/06/2013 02:05 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> 
> Am Dienstag, 5. März 2013, 18:31:50 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
> 
> Am Dienstag 05 März 2013, 11:29:30 schrieb ehud.kap...@gmail.com:
> 
-snip---
> 
> An alternative is TeX Gyre Pagella, also a Palatino clone, which you can
> call by
> \usepackage{tgpagella}
> 
> in the preamble.
> 
> Hallo,
> 
> using \usepackage{tgpagella} I get the following error message:
> Font LGR/cmr/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM)
> file no
> Font LGR/qpl/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM)
> file no
> 
> and the following description of it:
>  Dbp, Ror\textgreek{g}
> , RevErb\textgreek{a}, RevErb\textgreek{b},
> Dec1...
> I wasn't able to read the size data for this font,
> so I will ignore the font specification.
> [Wizards can fix TFM files using TFtoPL/PLtoTF.]
> You might try inserting a different font spec;
> e.g., type `I\font='.
> 
> which refers to
> \textgreek{a} etc
> (an upright alpha)
> 
> I had changed in document settings>fonts all to default because of
> using
> \usepackage{tgpagella}
> 
> is tgpagella not able to handle upright greek?
> 
> and what different font spec would be recommendable to handle it?
> 
> Wolfgang

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[EK]

  
  
Did you include Greek among the languages that LaTeX supports?

EK


On 03/06/2013 02:05 AM, Wolfgang
  Engelmann wrote:


  Am Dienstag, 5. März 2013, 18:31:50 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:

  
Am Dienstag 05 März 2013, 11:29:30 schrieb ehud.kap...@gmail.com:


  I suspect that the Palatino that appears in the font list is NOT the
same as Palatino Linotype, especially in terms of spacing-- it takes
less space than Georgia, which uses less space than Helvetica or
Arial. When I try to use the URW Palladino that appears in the list,
I get the error message: Font-not-found, even though I have TeX gyre
and other packages installed that say they use URW Palladino.
I had solved my immediate problem using Georgia, but I like the
appearance of Palatino, and would love to use it in the future, if I
could persuade Lyx to let me.



There used to be support files for Linotype Palatino (which is a
commercial font which you have to purchase from Linotype) by Walter
Schmidt [1]. However, Walter Schmidt has declared the package obsolete,
since recent TeX distributions include both URW Palladio (a real
Palatino clone) and true small caps and old style figures for that
(so-called fpl font). This is what you get when you select "Palatino"
from the LyX font combo, provided your laTeX distribution is fairly
new.

An alternative is TeX Gyre Pagella, also a Palatino clone, which you can
call by
\usepackage{tgpagella}

in the preamble.

  
  
Hallo,

using \usepackage{tgpagella} I get the following error message:
Font LGR/cmr/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file 
no
Font LGR/qpl/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file 
no

and the following description of it:
 Dbp, Ror\textgreek{g}
, RevErb\textgreek{a}, RevErb\textgreek{b}, 
Dec1...
I wasn't able to read the size data for this font,
so I will ignore the font specification.
[Wizards can fix TFM files using TFtoPL/PLtoTF.]
You might try inserting a different font spec;
e.g., type `I\font='.

which refers to
\textgreek{a} etc
(an upright alpha)

I had changed in document settings>fonts all to default because of
using 
\usepackage{tgpagella}

is tgpagella not able to handle upright greek?

and what different font spec would be recommendable to handle it?

Wolfgang



-- 
  
  Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
  Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness
  Professor
  Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational
  Neuroscience
  Director, Center for Excellence in Computational &
  Systems Neuroscience
  Friedman Brain Institute
  Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural &
  Chemical Biology,
  The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
  One Gustave Levy Place, 
  NY, NY, 10029 

  

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[EK]

  
  
"OTOH, the font selection dialogue should not let you select a font
that is
not installed on your system."--
I agree wholeheartedly.  In fact, LyX 2.0.5.1 under Windows XT does
tell me (right in the list) that the font was not installed, 
but the same version of Lyx under Lubuntu 12.10 64 bits omits this
useful note.  Both systems run TexLive 2012.
Since under (L)ubuntu the tlmgr (the package manager for TexLive) is
not normally available, and since URWPalladio does not appear in the
ubuntu repositories, I could not use it.

EK

On 03/06/2013 11:44 AM, Guenter Milde
  wrote:


  On 2013-03-05, ehud.kap...@gmail.com wrote:


  
[-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 8bit --]

  
  

  
I suspect that the Palatino that appears in the font list is NOT the 
same as Palatino Linotype, especially in terms of spacing-- it takes 
less space than Georgia, which uses less space than Helvetica or Arial.

  
  
AFAIK, the Palatino font option in the LyX font list (without
"use non-TeX fonts") corresponds to 

\usepackage{mathptmx}

from the PSNFSS LaTeX standard package. This should work in all
non-corrupt LaTeX installations. It is an extended version of URW Palla*
with real small-caps and some basic math support.


  
When I try to use the URW Palladino that appears in the list, I get the 
error message: Font-not-found, even though I have TeX gyre and other 
packages installed that say they use URW Palladino.

  
  
TeX gyre Paladio is based on URW Pal* but incorporates this in its own font
file(s). I.e. installing this does not make URWs palladingsbums available
under this name.

OTOH, the font selection dialogue should not let you select a font that is
not installed on your system. Could you please try with a simple document
containing just ASCII? Maybe some non-ASCII letters are not supported
without LyX knowing.

Günter




-- 
  
  Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
  Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness
  Professor
  Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational
  Neuroscience
  Director, Center for Excellence in Computational &
  Systems Neuroscience
  Friedman Brain Institute
  Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural &
  Chemical Biology,
  The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
  One Gustave Levy Place, 
  NY, NY, 10029 

  

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-03-05, ehud.kap...@gmail.com wrote:

> [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 8bit --]

> I suspect that the Palatino that appears in the font list is NOT the 
> same as Palatino Linotype, especially in terms of spacing-- it takes 
> less space than Georgia, which uses less space than Helvetica or Arial.

AFAIK, the Palatino font option in the LyX font list (without
"use non-TeX fonts") corresponds to 

\usepackage{mathptmx}

from the PSNFSS LaTeX standard package. This should work in all
non-corrupt LaTeX installations. It is an extended version of URW Palla*
with real small-caps and some basic math support.

> When I try to use the URW Palladino that appears in the list, I get the 
> error message: Font-not-found, even though I have TeX gyre and other 
> packages installed that say they use URW Palladino.

TeX gyre Paladio is based on URW Pal* but incorporates this in its own font
file(s). I.e. installing this does not make URWs palladingsbums available
under this name.

OTOH, the font selection dialogue should not let you select a font that is
not installed on your system. Could you please try with a simple document
containing just ASCII? Maybe some non-ASCII letters are not supported
without LyX knowing.

Günter

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Niklas Huldén]

On 5.3.2013 22:10, EK wrote:

The information I was able to find on the subject was murky, and left it
unclear (at least for me) whether the two fonts are the same.
However, I did compile my document with Palatino, and it was nearly as
economical (in terms of space) as Times New Roman.
I read somewhere that Palatino Linotype took up MORE space than Times
New Roman, which is why I suspect that P. Linotype is /not /
the same as Palatino, even though the letter shapes might be similar.
NIH probably chose P. Linotype precisely because it allows you to put
fewer words on the page than, say, Times New Roman,
to protect the sanity of the poor reviewers.

Ehud


In my experience Palatino (in LyX) and Palatino Linotype always takes 
more space than Times (New) Roman (which was designed for newspaper-type 
narrow columns) given that the point size is the same. I have used both 
Palatino (URW Palladio) in linux and mac AND Palatino Linotype on 
Windows in the same documents with LyX and the space "economies" vary 
only slightly even in documents of several hundred pages.


Niklas H.


On 03/05/2013 12:15 PM, Bruce Pourciau wrote:


On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:20 AM, ehud.kap...@gmail.com
 wrote:


Since NIH now wants us to use Palatino Linotype (among several other,
uglier fonts), I tried to find it in the Lyx font list, but could
only find Palatino, which is apparently different from Palatino
Linotype.  Where can I find Palatino Linotype so I could add it to
the Lyx font list?
Thanks,

--
Ehud Kaplan,


Were you told that Palatino in the LyX font list is not Palatino
Linotype? Inspected closely, the letter forms in LyX's Palatino look
just like Palatino Linotype. The letter spacing could be different,
but the letterforms themselves look right.

Bruce


--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness/ Professor
*Director*, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
*Director*, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
/Friedman Brain Institute/
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
One Gustave Levy Place,
NY, NY, 10029

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Dienstag, 5. März 2013, 18:31:50 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller:
> Am Dienstag 05 März 2013, 11:29:30 schrieb ehud.kap...@gmail.com:
> > I suspect that the Palatino that appears in the font list is NOT the
> > same as Palatino Linotype, especially in terms of spacing-- it takes
> > less space than Georgia, which uses less space than Helvetica or
> > Arial. When I try to use the URW Palladino that appears in the list,
> > I get the error message: Font-not-found, even though I have TeX gyre
> > and other packages installed that say they use URW Palladino.
> > I had solved my immediate problem using Georgia, but I like the
> > appearance of Palatino, and would love to use it in the future, if I
> > could persuade Lyx to let me.
> 
> There used to be support files for Linotype Palatino (which is a
> commercial font which you have to purchase from Linotype) by Walter
> Schmidt [1]. However, Walter Schmidt has declared the package obsolete,
> since recent TeX distributions include both URW Palladio (a real
> Palatino clone) and true small caps and old style figures for that
> (so-called fpl font). This is what you get when you select "Palatino"
> from the LyX font combo, provided your laTeX distribution is fairly
> new.
> 
> An alternative is TeX Gyre Pagella, also a Palatino clone, which you can
> call by
> \usepackage{tgpagella}
> 
> in the preamble.

Hallo,

using \usepackage{tgpagella} I get the following error message:
Font LGR/cmr/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file 
no
Font LGR/qpl/m/n/10.95=grmn1095 at 10.95pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file 
no

and the following description of it:
 Dbp, Ror\textgreek{g}
, RevErb\textgreek{a}, RevErb\textgreek{b}, 
Dec1...
I wasn't able to read the size data for this font,
so I will ignore the font specification.
[Wizards can fix TFM files using TFtoPL/PLtoTF.]
You might try inserting a different font spec;
e.g., type `I\font='.

which refers to
\textgreek{a} etc
(an upright alpha)

I had changed in document settings>fonts all to default because of
using 
\usepackage{tgpagella}

is tgpagella not able to handle upright greek?

and what different font spec would be recommendable to handle it?

Wolfgang

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Csikos Bela]

"Jürgen Spitzmüller"  írta:

[long snip]

>There used to be support files for Linotype Palatino (which is a commercial
>font which you have to purchase from Linotype) by Walter Schmidt
>[1].

I can hardly believe that NIH requires exactly Palatino Linotype if it is a 
commercial font and has to be purchased. I suspect they require Palatino
like font, and also think they should give a specific list of font names they 
want and where they are available.

It would be nice to see the original description what they require (eg. a link).

bcsikos

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[EK]

  
  
The information I was able to find on the subject was murky, and
left it unclear (at least for me) whether the two fonts are the
same. 
However, I did compile my document with Palatino, and it was nearly
as economical (in terms of space) as Times New Roman. 
I read somewhere that Palatino Linotype took up MORE space than
Times New Roman, which is why I suspect that P. Linotype is not

the same as Palatino, even though the letter shapes might be
similar.  
NIH probably chose P. Linotype precisely because it allows you to
put fewer words on the page than, say, Times New Roman, 
to protect the sanity of the poor reviewers.

Ehud

On 03/05/2013 12:15 PM, Bruce Pourciau
  wrote:


  
On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:20 AM, ehud.kap...@gmail.com
  wrote:


  
   Since NIH now wants us
to use Palatino Linotype (among several other, uglier
fonts), I tried to find it in the Lyx font list, but could
only find Palatino, which is apparently different from
Palatino Linotype.  Where can I find Palatino Linotype so I
could add it to the Lyx font list?
Thanks,

-- 
  
  Ehud Kaplan, 

  

  
  
  Were you told that Palatino in the LyX font list is not
Palatino Linotype? Inspected closely, the letter forms in LyX's
Palatino look just like Palatino Linotype. The letter spacing
could be different, but the letterforms themselves look right.
  
  
  Bruce


-- 
  
  Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
  Jules and Doris Stein Research to Prevent Blindness
  Professor
  Director, The laboratory of Visual & Computational
  Neuroscience
  Director, Center for Excellence in Computational &
  Systems Neuroscience
  Friedman Brain Institute
  Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural &
  Chemical Biology,
  The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
  One Gustave Levy Place, 
  NY, NY, 10029 

  

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Dienstag 05 März 2013, 11:29:30 schrieb ehud.kap...@gmail.com:
> I suspect that the Palatino that appears in the font list is NOT the 
> same as Palatino Linotype, especially in terms of spacing-- it takes 
> less space than Georgia, which uses less space than Helvetica or Arial.
> When I try to use the URW Palladino that appears in the list, I get the 
> error message: Font-not-found, even though I have TeX gyre and other 
> packages installed that say they use URW Palladino.
> I had solved my immediate problem using Georgia, but I like the 
> appearance of Palatino, and would love to use it in the future, if I 
> could persuade Lyx to let me.

There used to be support files for Linotype Palatino (which is a commercial 
font which you have to purchase from Linotype) by Walter Schmidt [1]. However, 
Walter Schmidt has declared the package obsolete, since recent TeX 
distributions include both URW Palladio (a real Palatino clone) and true small 
caps and old style figures for that (so-called fpl font). This is what you get 
when you select "Palatino" from the LyX font combo, provided your laTeX 
distribution is fairly new.

An alternative is TeX Gyre Pagella, also a Palatino clone, which you can call 
by
\usepackage{tgpagella}

in the preamble.

Georgia, on the other hand, is all but a Palatino clone. So if you have to use 
Palatino, using Palladio (via "Palatino" in LyX's font selection) or Pagella 
is a very good choice; almost nobody will notice the difference to Linotype 
Palatino. Any somewhat typographically informed person will, however, notice 
the difference from Georgia to Palatino.

HTH
Jürgen


[1] http://cq131a.de/fonts.html

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:20 AM, ehud.kap...@gmail.com wrote:

> Since NIH now wants us to use Palatino Linotype (among several other, uglier 
> fonts), I tried to find it in the Lyx font list, but could only find 
> Palatino, which is apparently different from Palatino Linotype.  Where can I 
> find Palatino Linotype so I could add it to the Lyx font list?
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Ehud Kaplan, 

Were you told that Palatino in the LyX font list is not Palatino Linotype? 
Inspected closely, the letter forms in LyX's Palatino look just like Palatino 
Linotype. The letter spacing could be different, but the letterforms themselves 
look right.

Bruce

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[ehud.kap...@gmail.com]

I suspect that the Palatino that appears in the font list is NOT the 
same as Palatino Linotype, especially in terms of spacing-- it takes 
less space than Georgia, which uses less space than Helvetica or Arial.
When I try to use the URW Palladino that appears in the list, I get the 
error message: Font-not-found, even though I have TeX gyre and other 
packages installed that say they use URW Palladino.
I had solved my immediate problem using Georgia, but I like the 
appearance of Palatino, and would love to use it in the future, if I 
could persuade Lyx to let me.


Ehud


On 03/05/2013 10:42 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2013-03-05, ehud.kap...@gmail.com wrote:


Since NIH now wants us to use Palatino Linotype (among several other,
uglier fonts), I tried to find it in the Lyx font list, but could only
find Palatino, which is apparently different from Palatino Linotype.
Where can I find Palatino Linotype so I could add it to the Lyx font list?

If you have Palatino Linotype installed on your machine and available in
other editors, it should be available as "non-TeX font" (i.e. with XeTeX or
LuaTeX), too.

If not, you may try the "other" Palatino and almost noone will realize
(unless they look up the font list in the PDF metadata).

Günter



--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness/ Professor
*Director*, The laboratory of Visual & Computational Neuroscience
*Director*, Center for Excellence in Computational & Systems Neuroscience
/Friedman Brain Institute/
Departments of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Structural & Chemical Biology,
The Ichan school of medicine at Mount Sinai
One Gustave Levy Place,
NY, NY, 10029

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[Guenter Milde]

On 2013-03-05, ehud.kap...@gmail.com wrote:

> Since NIH now wants us to use Palatino Linotype (among several other, 
> uglier fonts), I tried to find it in the Lyx font list, but could only 
> find Palatino, which is apparently different from Palatino Linotype.  
> Where can I find Palatino Linotype so I could add it to the Lyx font list?

If you have Palatino Linotype installed on your machine and available in
other editors, it should be available as "non-TeX font" (i.e. with XeTeX or
LuaTeX), too.

If not, you may try the "other" Palatino and almost noone will realize
(unless they look up the font list in the PDF metadata).

Günter

Re: Palatino linotype in Lyx

[PhilipPirrip]

Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatino first.
URW Palladio that you see in Lyx is a clone of Palatino (Linotype).


On 03/05/2013 10:20 AM, ehud.kap...@gmail.com wrote:

Since NIH now wants us to use Palatino Linotype (among several other,
uglier fonts), I tried to find it in the Lyx font list, but could only
find Palatino, which is apparently different from Palatino Linotype.
Where can I find Palatino Linotype so I could add it to the Lyx font list?
Thanks,

--
Ehud Kaplan,