Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:22:08PM -0500, Chris Menzel wrote: On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:13:20PM +0200, yardbird wrote: ...Another big advantage is the immediate visual feedback when writing in math - mode; it's very helpful with long and cluttered equations. Not to discourage you from LyX, which is terrific, but you can get close-to-WYSIWYG math with emacs + the x-symbol package: You don't get structures like arrays or fractions shown with this approach while editing a formula. [Of course, the 'WYSIWYG-ness' is better for formulas not being edited.] Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson or B. Franklin or both...)
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:22:08PM -0500, Chris Menzel wrote: On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:13:20PM +0200, yardbird wrote: ...Another big advantage is the immediate visual feedback when writing in math - mode; it's very helpful with long and cluttered equations. Not to discourage you from LyX, which is terrific, but you can get close-to-WYSIWYG math with emacs + the x-symbol package: You don't get structures like arrays or fractions shown with this approach while editing a formula. [Of course, the 'WYSIWYG-ness' is better for formulas not being edited.] Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson or B. Franklin or both...)
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:22:08PM -0500, Chris Menzel wrote: > On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:13:20PM +0200, yardbird wrote: > > ...Another big advantage is the immediate visual feedback when writing > > in math - mode; it's very helpful with long and cluttered equations. > > Not to discourage you from LyX, which is terrific, but you can get > close-to-WYSIWYG math with emacs + the x-symbol package: You don't get structures like arrays or fractions shown with this approach while editing a formula. [Of course, the 'WYSIWYG-ness' is better for formulas not being edited.] Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson or B. Franklin or both...)
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Thanks for all your replies and comments. I started writing my thesis with LyX, and I'm getting addicted :) so far so good! As someone stated it's much easier (at least for me) to concentrate on the contents with LyX, and I can do everything I used to do with my text editor. Another big advantage is the immediate visual feedback when writing in math - mode; it's very helpful with long and cluttered equations. I like very much the table editor too, and the ability to roll up footnotes and floating objects. I noticed some minor glitches, though: 1) separators in math mode do not work very well when inserted manually (i.e. \left( and the like): they don't scale to proper size in LyX view and when I delete them it seems like sometimes some garbage is left behind (some backslashes?), causing errors when viewing the DVI. 2) how can I split long equations into some lines? I know about AMS multiline and eqnarray, my problem is that I can't split in two parts an expression between two separators. Oh, on a side note, is there a way to have some localization on AMS stuff? When using the theorem environment I get the label Theorem in the DVI, instead of the italian Teorema. Any hint on this would be appreciated. Thanks for this software, it's really awesome :) francesco -- In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea.
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:13:20PM +0200, yardbird wrote: ...Another big advantage is the immediate visual feedback when writing in math - mode; it's very helpful with long and cluttered equations. Not to discourage you from LyX, which is terrific, but you can get close-to-WYSIWYG math with emacs + the x-symbol package: http://x-symbol.sourceforge.net Chris Menzel
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Thanks for all your replies and comments. I started writing my thesis with LyX, and I'm getting addicted :) so far so good! As someone stated it's much easier (at least for me) to concentrate on the contents with LyX, and I can do everything I used to do with my text editor. Another big advantage is the immediate visual feedback when writing in math - mode; it's very helpful with long and cluttered equations. I like very much the table editor too, and the ability to roll up footnotes and floating objects. I noticed some minor glitches, though: 1) separators in math mode do not work very well when inserted manually (i.e. \left( and the like): they don't scale to proper size in LyX view and when I delete them it seems like sometimes some garbage is left behind (some backslashes?), causing errors when viewing the DVI. 2) how can I split long equations into some lines? I know about AMS multiline and eqnarray, my problem is that I can't split in two parts an expression between two separators. Oh, on a side note, is there a way to have some localization on AMS stuff? When using the theorem environment I get the label Theorem in the DVI, instead of the italian Teorema. Any hint on this would be appreciated. Thanks for this software, it's really awesome :) francesco -- In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea.
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:13:20PM +0200, yardbird wrote: ...Another big advantage is the immediate visual feedback when writing in math - mode; it's very helpful with long and cluttered equations. Not to discourage you from LyX, which is terrific, but you can get close-to-WYSIWYG math with emacs + the x-symbol package: http://x-symbol.sourceforge.net Chris Menzel
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Thanks for all your replies and comments. I started writing my thesis with LyX, and I'm getting addicted :) so far so good! As someone stated it's much easier (at least for me) to concentrate on the contents with LyX, and I can do everything I used to do with my text editor. Another big advantage is the immediate visual feedback when writing in math - mode; it's very helpful with long and cluttered equations. I like very much the table editor too, and the ability to roll up footnotes and floating objects. I noticed some minor glitches, though: 1) separators in math mode do not work very well when inserted manually (i.e. \left( and the like): they don't scale to proper size in LyX view and when I delete them it seems like sometimes some garbage is left behind (some backslashes?), causing errors when viewing the DVI. 2) how can I split long equations into some lines? I know about AMS multiline and eqnarray, my problem is that I can't split in two parts an expression between two separators. Oh, on a side note, is there a way to have some localization on AMS stuff? When using the "theorem" environment I get the label "Theorem" in the DVI, instead of the italian "Teorema". Any hint on this would be appreciated. Thanks for this software, it's really awesome :) francesco -- In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea.
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:13:20PM +0200, yardbird wrote: > ...Another big advantage is the immediate visual feedback when writing > in math - mode; it's very helpful with long and cluttered equations. Not to discourage you from LyX, which is terrific, but you can get close-to-WYSIWYG math with emacs + the x-symbol package: http://x-symbol.sourceforge.net Chris Menzel
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Andre Poenitz wrote: The main 'con' is that you are no longer free to use a text editor of your liking but have to cope with what LyX offers. Along those lines, how difficult would it be to embed an external app to edit external files? I know that the old InsetFigure used to embed a gs process. I'm thinking of nothing more complex than telling this app the size and position of the window... -- Angus
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: Andre Poenitz wrote: The main 'con' is that you are no longer free to use a text editor of your liking but have to cope with what LyX offers. Along those lines, how difficult would it be to embed an external app to edit external files? Don't know. Not easy to an extend where I can use LyX as 'vim'. emacs + preview-latex is closer in this area. I know that the old InsetFigure used to embed a gs process. I'm thinking of nothing more complex than telling this app the size and position of the window... I am not sure this is really needed. One of the features I sorely miss is the :','!foo feature of vim that pipes the selection through some external filter (like 'sort') and replaces the selection with the output of the filter. This would already help much. During the last week I spend more time on one of my bigger .lyx files with vim than with LyX... no, I am not joking. In theory, such a feature should be simple to add, in practice it probably isn't. The only format LyX can read and write is .lyx, and the probability to crash LyX's reading with a broken filter's output is almost 1... Andre'
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 05:14:26PM +0200, Marcus Beyer wrote: It looks very nice to me, but I would like to know from those who use it on a regular basis what Lyx has to offer to a LaTex user. The math editor ;-} Perhaps important to note that the math editor is not the only way to write math: you can still write \alpha in math mode (CTRL+M) and LyX shows you an alpha symbol :) By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. I forgot. Andre'
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? Grüße, Marcus http://www.Stormlight.de
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Marcus Beyer schrieb: By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? nonsense ... Herbert
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 05:39:19PM +0200, Herbert Voß wrote: Marcus Beyer schrieb: By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? nonsense ... The 'why' was refering to the 'awareness' anyway... Andre'
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Am Montag, 29.09.03 um 17:14 Uhr schrieb Marcus Beyer: It looks very nice to me, but I would like to know from those who use it on a regular basis what Lyx has to offer to a LaTex user. A simple text editor also hasn't got a TOC (table of contents) to navigate easily through the document. I like this screenshot: Yes, that's a really nice feature, being able to browse the TOC as well as figures and tables. The main thing i like is that i don't need to write all the code, which always distracts me from concentrating on my text and i'm sure i'd be chasing mistakes in the code all the time :). So far I never had the feeling that i can't achieve with lyx what some of my friends achieve with writing latex in an editor - though that might be because I so far didn't do very complex layouts or a lot of mathematic writing. For me the question would rather be Why would I want to use a text-editor and write plain latex, if I can use lyx? :o) cheers, Katrin
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
mb Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? mb hv nonsense ... :P Of cause this was strongly simplified, but more than once I heard TeX users complain about the math panel (typing goes faster). If you don't tell them, that typing math is also possible, they will perhaps not take a closer look. To avoid this was my intention. The same with Word users: only few will make the jump to TeX, because everything must be known there -- in Word (or any other similiar prog) you can start without knowledge and clicking everywhere in the GUI until you find what you was searching for. ap The 'why' was refering to the 'awareness' anyway... Why should I ask you about your awareness? Trying to flame me? My answer was more for yardbird than for you (see above). Perhaps reply to all was not quite right in this case. Grüße, Marcus http://www.Stormlight.de
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On 2003-09-29, 15:48 GMT, Katrin Pietzsch wrote: The main thing i like is that i don't need to write all the code, which always distracts me from concentrating on my text Yes, this is the main reason for me as well. I have really hard time not to fiddle with some LaTeX details when editing LaTeX documents in vim and it gets me distracted from my work. So far I never had the feeling that i can't achieve with lyx what some of my friends achieve with writing latex in an editor - though that might be because I so far didn't do very complex layouts or a lot of mathematic writing. For me the question would rather be Why would I want to use a text-editor and write plain latex, if I can use lyx? :o) On the other hand -- I feel that time is coming that some improvement in LyX bare-bone editing capabilities is due: it still doesn't have Ctrl/Alt+T from emacs (switching letters, words) and many other things which are just much better in my good text editor (in my case vim, but emacs would serve as well). And yes, I think that scripting abilities are long overdue as well. Have a nice day, Matj -- Matej Cepl, GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Andre Poenitz wrote:
Along those lines, how difficult would it be to embed an external
app to edit external files?
Don't know. Not easy to an extend where I can use LyX as 'vim'.
emacs + preview-latex is closer in this area.
I know that the old InsetFigure used to embed
a gs process.
I'm thinking of nothing more complex than telling this app the size
and position of the window...
I am not sure this is really needed.
My original idea was to embed an arbitrary renderer for
InsetExternal. Things like syntax-highlighted code snippets, but then
I thought, why limit it to just rendering?
One of the features I sorely miss is the :','!foo feature of
vim that pipes the selection through some external filter (like
'sort') and replaces the selection with the output of the filter.
This would already help much.
During the last week I spend more time on one of my bigger .lyx
files with vim than with LyX... no, I am not joking.
In theory, such a feature should be simple to add, in practice it
probably isn't. The only format LyX can read and write is .lyx, and
the probability to crash LyX's reading with a broken filter's output
is almost 1...
try {
...
} catch(...) {
}
???
Let's take this over to the devel list...
... but I can't see why you couldn't embed vim. This is for
InsetExternal and maybe for InsetERT, writing and reading from a temp
file.
--
Angus
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Andre Poenitz wrote: The main 'con' is that you are no longer free to use a text editor of your liking but have to cope with what LyX offers. Along those lines, how difficult would it be to embed an external app to edit external files? I know that the old InsetFigure used to embed a gs process. I'm thinking of nothing more complex than telling this app the size and position of the window... -- Angus
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: Andre Poenitz wrote: The main 'con' is that you are no longer free to use a text editor of your liking but have to cope with what LyX offers. Along those lines, how difficult would it be to embed an external app to edit external files? Don't know. Not easy to an extend where I can use LyX as 'vim'. emacs + preview-latex is closer in this area. I know that the old InsetFigure used to embed a gs process. I'm thinking of nothing more complex than telling this app the size and position of the window... I am not sure this is really needed. One of the features I sorely miss is the :','!foo feature of vim that pipes the selection through some external filter (like 'sort') and replaces the selection with the output of the filter. This would already help much. During the last week I spend more time on one of my bigger .lyx files with vim than with LyX... no, I am not joking. In theory, such a feature should be simple to add, in practice it probably isn't. The only format LyX can read and write is .lyx, and the probability to crash LyX's reading with a broken filter's output is almost 1... Andre'
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 05:14:26PM +0200, Marcus Beyer wrote: It looks very nice to me, but I would like to know from those who use it on a regular basis what Lyx has to offer to a LaTex user. The math editor ;-} Perhaps important to note that the math editor is not the only way to write math: you can still write \alpha in math mode (CTRL+M) and LyX shows you an alpha symbol :) By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. I forgot. Andre'
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? Grüße, Marcus http://www.Stormlight.de
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Marcus Beyer schrieb: By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? nonsense ... Herbert
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 05:39:19PM +0200, Herbert Voß wrote: Marcus Beyer schrieb: By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? nonsense ... The 'why' was refering to the 'awareness' anyway... Andre'
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Am Montag, 29.09.03 um 17:14 Uhr schrieb Marcus Beyer: It looks very nice to me, but I would like to know from those who use it on a regular basis what Lyx has to offer to a LaTex user. A simple text editor also hasn't got a TOC (table of contents) to navigate easily through the document. I like this screenshot: Yes, that's a really nice feature, being able to browse the TOC as well as figures and tables. The main thing i like is that i don't need to write all the code, which always distracts me from concentrating on my text and i'm sure i'd be chasing mistakes in the code all the time :). So far I never had the feeling that i can't achieve with lyx what some of my friends achieve with writing latex in an editor - though that might be because I so far didn't do very complex layouts or a lot of mathematic writing. For me the question would rather be Why would I want to use a text-editor and write plain latex, if I can use lyx? :o) cheers, Katrin
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
mb Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? mb hv nonsense ... :P Of cause this was strongly simplified, but more than once I heard TeX users complain about the math panel (typing goes faster). If you don't tell them, that typing math is also possible, they will perhaps not take a closer look. To avoid this was my intention. The same with Word users: only few will make the jump to TeX, because everything must be known there -- in Word (or any other similiar prog) you can start without knowledge and clicking everywhere in the GUI until you find what you was searching for. ap The 'why' was refering to the 'awareness' anyway... Why should I ask you about your awareness? Trying to flame me? My answer was more for yardbird than for you (see above). Perhaps reply to all was not quite right in this case. Grüße, Marcus http://www.Stormlight.de
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On 2003-09-29, 15:48 GMT, Katrin Pietzsch wrote: The main thing i like is that i don't need to write all the code, which always distracts me from concentrating on my text Yes, this is the main reason for me as well. I have really hard time not to fiddle with some LaTeX details when editing LaTeX documents in vim and it gets me distracted from my work. So far I never had the feeling that i can't achieve with lyx what some of my friends achieve with writing latex in an editor - though that might be because I so far didn't do very complex layouts or a lot of mathematic writing. For me the question would rather be Why would I want to use a text-editor and write plain latex, if I can use lyx? :o) On the other hand -- I feel that time is coming that some improvement in LyX bare-bone editing capabilities is due: it still doesn't have Ctrl/Alt+T from emacs (switching letters, words) and many other things which are just much better in my good text editor (in my case vim, but emacs would serve as well). And yes, I think that scripting abilities are long overdue as well. Have a nice day, Matj -- Matej Cepl, GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Andre Poenitz wrote:
Along those lines, how difficult would it be to embed an external
app to edit external files?
Don't know. Not easy to an extend where I can use LyX as 'vim'.
emacs + preview-latex is closer in this area.
I know that the old InsetFigure used to embed
a gs process.
I'm thinking of nothing more complex than telling this app the size
and position of the window...
I am not sure this is really needed.
My original idea was to embed an arbitrary renderer for
InsetExternal. Things like syntax-highlighted code snippets, but then
I thought, why limit it to just rendering?
One of the features I sorely miss is the :','!foo feature of
vim that pipes the selection through some external filter (like
'sort') and replaces the selection with the output of the filter.
This would already help much.
During the last week I spend more time on one of my bigger .lyx
files with vim than with LyX... no, I am not joking.
In theory, such a feature should be simple to add, in practice it
probably isn't. The only format LyX can read and write is .lyx, and
the probability to crash LyX's reading with a broken filter's output
is almost 1...
try {
...
} catch(...) {
}
???
Let's take this over to the devel list...
... but I can't see why you couldn't embed vim. This is for
InsetExternal and maybe for InsetERT, writing and reading from a temp
file.
--
Angus
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Andre Poenitz wrote: > The main 'con' is that you are no longer free to use a text editor > of your liking but have to cope with what LyX offers. Along those lines, how difficult would it be to embed an external app to edit external files? I know that the old InsetFigure used to embed a gs process. I'm thinking of nothing more complex than telling this app the size and position of the window... -- Angus
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 09:57:41AM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > Andre Poenitz wrote: > > The main 'con' is that you are no longer free to use a text editor > > of your liking but have to cope with what LyX offers. > > Along those lines, how difficult would it be to embed an external app > to edit external files? Don't know. Not easy to an extend where I can use LyX as 'vim'. emacs + preview-latex is closer in this area. > I know that the old InsetFigure used to embed > a gs process. > > I'm thinking of nothing more complex than telling this app the size > and position of the window... I am not sure this is really needed. One of the features I sorely miss is the :'<,'>!foo feature of vim that pipes the selection through some external filter (like 'sort') and replaces the selection with the output of the filter. This would already help much. During the last week I spend more time on one of my bigger .lyx files with vim than with LyX... no, I am not joking. In theory, such a feature should be simple to add, in practice it probably isn't. The only format LyX can read and write is .lyx, and the probability to crash LyX's reading with a broken filter's output is almost 1... Andre'
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 05:14:26PM +0200, Marcus Beyer wrote: > > > It looks very nice to me, but I would like to know from those who > > > use it on a regular basis what Lyx has to offer to a LaTex user. > > > > The math editor ;-} > > Perhaps important to note that the math editor is not the only way to > write math: you can still write \alpha in math mode (CTRL+M) and LyX > shows you an alpha symbol :) By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. I forgot. Andre'
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
> By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. > > I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. > > Don't ask me why. Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? Grüße, Marcus http://www.Stormlight.de
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Marcus Beyer schrieb: By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. Don't ask me why. Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? nonsense ... Herbert
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 05:39:19PM +0200, Herbert Voß wrote: > Marcus Beyer schrieb: > >>By 'math editor' I mean 'math mode', not just the math symbol panels. > >> > >>I am well aware that there are several methods to enter things there. > >> > >>Don't ask me why. > > > > > >Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click? > > nonsense ... The 'why' was refering to the 'awareness' anyway... Andre'
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Am Montag, 29.09.03 um 17:14 Uhr schrieb Marcus Beyer: It looks very nice to me, but I would like to know from those who use it on a regular basis what Lyx has to offer to a LaTex user. A simple text editor also hasn't got a TOC (table of contents) to navigate easily through the document. I like this screenshot: Yes, that's a really nice feature, being able to browse the TOC as well as figures and tables. The main thing i like is that i don't need to write all the code, which always distracts me from concentrating on my text and i'm sure i'd be chasing mistakes in the code all the time :). So far I never had the feeling that i can't achieve with lyx what some of my friends achieve with writing latex in an editor - though that might be because I so far didn't do very complex layouts or a lot of mathematic writing. For me the question would rather be "Why would I want to use a text-editor and write plain latex, if I can use lyx?" :o) cheers, Katrin
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
mb > > >Because TeX users like to type and Word users like to click?
mb > >
hv > > nonsense ...
:P
Of cause this was strongly simplified, but more than once I heard
TeX users complain about the math panel ("typing goes faster").
If you don't tell them, that typing math is also possible, they will
perhaps not take a closer look. To avoid this was my intention.
The same with Word users: only few will make the jump to TeX,
because everything must be "known" there -- in Word (or any
other similiar prog) you can start without knowledge and clicking
everywhere in the GUI until you find what you was searching for.
ap > The 'why' was refering to the 'awareness' anyway...
Why should I ask you about your awareness?
Trying to flame me?
My answer was more for "yardbird" than for you (see above).
Perhaps "reply to all" was not quite right in this case.
Grüße,
Marcus
http://www.Stormlight.de
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
On 2003-09-29, 15:48 GMT, Katrin Pietzsch wrote: > The main thing i like is that i don't need to write all the code, > which always distracts me from concentrating on my text Yes, this is the main reason for me as well. I have really hard time not to fiddle with some LaTeX details when editing LaTeX documents in vim and it gets me distracted from my work. > So far I never had the feeling that i can't achieve with lyx what some > of my friends achieve with writing latex in an editor - though that > might be because I so far didn't do very complex layouts or a lot of > mathematic writing. For me the question would rather be "Why would > I want to use a text-editor and write plain latex, if I can use lyx?" > :o) On the other hand -- I feel that time is coming that some improvement in LyX bare-bone editing capabilities is due: it still doesn't have Ctrl/Alt+T from emacs (switching letters, words) and many other things which are just much better in my good text editor (in my case vim, but emacs would serve as well). And yes, I think that scripting abilities are long overdue as well. Have a nice day, Matěj -- Matej Cepl, GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488
Re: Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Andre Poenitz wrote:
>> Along those lines, how difficult would it be to embed an external
>> app to edit external files?
>
> Don't know. Not easy to an extend where I can use LyX as 'vim'.
> emacs + preview-latex is closer in this area.
>
>> I know that the old InsetFigure used to embed
>> a gs process.
>>
>> I'm thinking of nothing more complex than telling this app the size
>> and position of the window...
>
> I am not sure this is really needed.
My original idea was to embed an arbitrary renderer for
InsetExternal. Things like syntax-highlighted code snippets, but then
I thought, why limit it to just rendering?
> One of the features I sorely miss is the :'<,'>!foo feature of
> vim that pipes the selection through some external filter (like
> 'sort') and replaces the selection with the output of the filter.
>
> This would already help much.
>
> During the last week I spend more time on one of my bigger .lyx
> files with vim than with LyX... no, I am not joking.
>
> In theory, such a feature should be simple to add, in practice it
> probably isn't. The only format LyX can read and write is .lyx, and
> the probability to crash LyX's reading with a broken filter's output
> is almost 1...
try {
...
} catch(...) {
}
???
Let's take this over to the devel list...
... but I can't see why you couldn't embed vim. This is for
InsetExternal and maybe for InsetERT, writing and reading from a temp
file.
--
Angus
Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Hi there, I'm about to start writing my thesis. I'm not a LaTex guru, but I've used it during the last 2 years for everything I've written. I think I should not have many problems doing my thesis wit LaTex, but I'm taking a look at alternatives (mainly because I don't know how handy would be using a normal text editor for a big latex document). So I downloaded and installed LyX. It looks very nice to me, but I would like to know from those who use it on a regular basis what Lyx has to offer to a LaTex user. For example: can I import and use in LyX custom LaTex document styles (i.e. the styles they use in my university for thesis)? Is LyX very flexible (i.e. can I do everything I do in LaTex - mmmhhh.. what a question :) )? In short, I would like to hear the pros and cons of LyX in respect to LaTex. Thanks very much for your time, Francesco -- In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea.
Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Hi there, I'm about to start writing my thesis. I'm not a LaTex guru, but I've used it during the last 2 years for everything I've written. I think I should not have many problems doing my thesis wit LaTex, but I'm taking a look at alternatives (mainly because I don't know how handy would be using a normal text editor for a big latex document). So I downloaded and installed LyX. It looks very nice to me, but I would like to know from those who use it on a regular basis what Lyx has to offer to a LaTex user. For example: can I import and use in LyX custom LaTex document styles (i.e. the styles they use in my university for thesis)? Is LyX very flexible (i.e. can I do everything I do in LaTex - mmmhhh.. what a question :) )? In short, I would like to hear the pros and cons of LyX in respect to LaTex. Thanks very much for your time, Francesco -- In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea.
Reasons to use Lyx instead of LaTex?
Hi there, I'm about to start writing my thesis. I'm not a LaTex guru, but I've used it during the last 2 years for everything I've written. I think I should not have many problems doing my thesis wit LaTex, but I'm taking a look at alternatives (mainly because I don't know how handy would be using a normal text editor for a big latex document). So I downloaded and installed LyX. It looks very nice to me, but I would like to know from those who use it on a regular basis what Lyx has to offer to a LaTex user. For example: can I import and use in LyX custom LaTex document styles (i.e. the styles they use in my university for thesis)? Is LyX very flexible (i.e. can I do everything I do in LaTex - mmmhhh.. what a question :) )? In short, I would like to hear the pros and cons of LyX in respect to LaTex. Thanks very much for your time, Francesco -- In Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree: Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea.
