Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

The following script:

#!/bin/bash
clear \
  && rm -f LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg \
  && echo "UCT:" \
  && time ncftpget
ftp://mirror.ufs.ac.za/applications/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
\
  && rm -f LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg \
  && echo "LYX:" \
  && time ncftpget
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
\
  && echo "SPEEDTEST:" \
  && time wget -O /dev/null
http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test10.zip

with the output slightly pruned.


Home 4G from the dominant provider

UCT:
LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg:  129.38 MB2.38 MB/s
real0m55.401s

LYX:
LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg:  129.38 MB  224.35 kB/s
real9m56.664s

SPEEDTEST:
http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test10.zip
(680 KB/s)
real0m31.525s


Leased line from the emerging competitor

UCT:
LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg:  129.38 MB  217.69 kB/s
real10m11.435s

LYX:
LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg:  129.38 MB   65.77 kB/s
real33m43.165s

SPEEDTEST:
http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test10.zip
(227 KB/s)
real0m51.117s




On 2018-02-20 16:15 , Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>> I'll repeat this together with the speed test on the 12" tonight so you
>> can see it for comparison.
> 
> Interesting would be if you try to download from south african mirror -
> what would be the difference of your speed.
> ftp://mirror.ufs.ac.za/applications/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
> 
> Pavel
> 

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Cris Fuhrman]

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:

> 1. time to download (/ download speed)
>

I'm using Chrome on Windows at my university which has a pretty fast
connexion normally. However, it's telling me 40 minutes left (pretty
consistent time, not going to wait for it to finish, however).


> 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
>

Montreal, Quebec, Canada.


> 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)
>

ETSMTL.CA is the domain. It's my university.


>
> Both good and bad answers matter, we want to know whether this is sporadic
> or widespread problem.
>
> In case your download of the link above is more than couple seconds, it
> would
> be useful if you also reported whether some of the mirror servers listed at
> http://www.lyx.org/Download#toc11 which are closer to your geographical
> location perform better.
>

The mirror at ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/LyX/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/ indicates
4 minutes (consistently, but the other download is ongoing).

Cheers!

C. Fuhrman

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[el]

Ok,

will do both and the speed test tonight.

Can perhaps even get the 4G from my landline provider :-)-O

el

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On 20 Feb 2018, 16:23 +0200, Pavel Sanda , wrote:
> Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> > I'll repeat this together with the speed test on the 12" tonight so you
> > can see it for comparison.
>
> Interesting would be if you try to download from south african mirror -
> what would be the difference of your speed.
> ftp://mirror.ufs.ac.za/applications/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
>
> Pavel

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> $ time wget 
> 'ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg'
>
>
> Am 16.02.2018 um 21:32 schrieb Pavel Sanda:
>> Pavel Sanda wrote:
>>> Ok, updating
>> US(CA); 1.88MB/s;  academic network; M: UCSD(89.4MB/s), PL(6.83M/s), 
>> SA(8.85M/s), GR (6.36M/s)
>> US(OR); 808KB/s;   local ISP;M: UCSD(2MB/s)
>> US(FL); 1.33MB/s;  residential LAN
>> US(TX); 20-100KB/s; hotel wifi;  M: UCSD(2.89MB/s), SA(1.42MB/s)(!), 
>> GR(163KB/s)
>> US(MI); 1.14MB/s;  residential cable;M: UCSD(11.6MB/s)
>> Ca(Qe): 242 KB/s;  academic network; M: UCSD(393 KB/s)
>> EU(Cz); 44.6MB/s;  academic network; M: UCSD(16.3MB/s), 
>> PL(25.5MB/s), 
>> SA(14.3MB/s), GR(12.0MB/s)
>> EU(Pt); 40.8MB/s;  academic network
>> EU(Pt); 4.26MB/s;  local ISP;
>> EU(De); 414KB/s;   local ISP;
>>
>>
> Is this the latest poll result?

Yes, execpt of Stephan's report (Berlin).

> could I ask the members of the Linux User Group Tuebingen to try the poll? 
> One reason is, that my result (EU(DE) 441kB/s) is rather annoying. I would 
> like to see the differences in and around Tuebingen city.

It's really your call. I am not worried about EU, so that's more for your 
curiosity...

> What are the factors affecting the download speed?

What time of the day, what exact provider you are using (typically academic
networks have good interconnectivity), at higher speeds even your wiring,
peering issues around our ftp server as reported by JMarc...

Some of it can be eliminated if you try different mirrors.

Pavel

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> I'll repeat this together with the speed test on the 12" tonight so you
> can see it for comparison.

Interesting would be if you try to download from south african mirror -
what would be the difference of your speed.
ftp://mirror.ufs.ac.za/applications/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg

Pavel

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Pavel,

I live in Windhoek, Namibia and thought I also run a standard speed test
for comparison


This is via my leased line at home from the up and coming competitor,
which is capped at 384 KBps (ethernet from the router to a MacPro)

time ncftpget
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg

LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg: 129.38 MB   83.84 kB/s

real26m28.041s
user0m1.000s
sys 0m5.219s

time wget -O /dev/null
http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test10.zip
[...]
2018-02-20 11:24:32 (206 KB/s) - '/dev/null' saved [11536384/11536384]


real0m55.357s
user0m0.088s
sys 0m0.243s




And this from my leased line at my practice, same speed and provider
(competitor) ((ethernet from the router to an iMac 5K)

time ncftpget
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg

LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg: 129.38 MB   87.23 kB/s

real25m25.158s
user0m1.049s
sys 0m7.814s

time wget -O /dev/null
http://speedtest.wdc01.softlayer.com/downloads/test10.zip
[...]
2018-02-20 11:24:47 (183 KB/s) - '/dev/null' saved [11536384/11536384]


real1m2.200s
user0m0.118s
sys 0m0.251s


And This is via a MiFi with 4G card to a new 12" MacBook from the
dominant provider:

time ncftpget
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg: 129.38 MB  217.17 kB/s

real 10m17.255s
user 0m1.115s
sys 0m6.876s

I'll repeat this together with the speed test on the 12" tonight so you
can see it for comparison.


I have no issues wit he download speed from LyX.

Never had.

Patience is a virtue :-)-O


el


On 16/02/2018 18:20, Pavel Sanda wrote:
[...]
> If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
> and report:
> 
> 1. time to download (/ download speed)
> 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
> 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)
[...]

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

$ time wget 
'ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg'


Am 16.02.2018 um 21:32 schrieb Pavel Sanda:

Pavel Sanda wrote:

Ok, updating

US(CA); 1.88MB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(89.4MB/s), PL(6.83M/s), 
SA(8.85M/s), GR (6.36M/s)
US(OR); 808KB/s;   local ISP;   M: UCSD(2MB/s)
US(FL); 1.33MB/s;  residential LAN
US(TX); 20-100KB/s; hotel wifi; M: UCSD(2.89MB/s), SA(1.42MB/s)(!), 
GR(163KB/s)
US(MI); 1.14MB/s;  residential cable;   M: UCSD(11.6MB/s)
Ca(Qe): 242 KB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(393 KB/s)
EU(Cz); 44.6MB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(16.3MB/s), PL(25.5MB/s), 
SA(14.3MB/s), GR(12.0MB/s)
EU(Pt); 40.8MB/s;  academic network
EU(Pt); 4.26MB/s;  local ISP;
EU(De); 414KB/s;   local ISP;



Is this the latest poll result?
could I ask the members of the Linux User Group Tuebingen to try the 
poll? One reason is, that my result (EU(DE) 441kB/s) is rather annoying. 
I would like to see the differences in and around Tuebingen city.

What are the factors affecting the download speed?
Wolfgang

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Stephan Witt]

Am 16.02.2018 um 17:20 schrieb Pavel Sanda <sa...@lyx.org>:
> 
> Hello lyx users,
> 
> it has been brought to our(=developers) attention that downloading speed of 
> lyx
> installers might become too slow on various places over the globe. The size of
> installers was steadily growing past years and 220 MB might indeed pose 
> problem
> in case users end up with connections speeds about ~10kbs...
> 
> That's why this small poll - we would be intersted to know how bad the 
> situation
> generally is -- especially outside of Europe.
> 
> If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
> and report:
> 
> 1. time to download (/ download speed)
> 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
> 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)
> 
> Both good and bad answers matter, we want to know whether this is sporadic
> or widespread problem.
> 
> In case your download of the link above is more than couple seconds, it would
> be useful if you also reported whether some of the mirror servers listed at
> http://www.lyx.org/Download#toc11 which are closer to your geographical
> location perform better.
> 
> Thanks for your time,
> Pavel

Hi Pavel,

this is the speed via Home-WLAN (ISP Vodafone-Berlin):

$ wget 
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
Länge: 135668328 (129M) (unmaßgeblich)
LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg 129,38M   495KB/sin 3m 47s
2018-02-17 22:27:15 (584 KB/s) - »LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg« 
gespeichert [135668328]

$ wget 
ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/LyX/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
Länge: 135668328 (129M) (unmaßgeblich)
LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg 129,38M  3,01MB/sin 45s 
2018-02-17 22:28:45 (2,86 MB/s) - »LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg« 
gespeichert [135668328]

this is the speed at office (LAN) (ISP Vodafone-Berlin):

$ wget 
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
Länge: 135668328 (129M) (unmaßgeblich)
135.668.328  776K/s   in 2m 23s  
2018-02-17 22:30:35 (929 KB/s) - »»LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg«« 
gespeichert [135668328]

$ wget 
ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/LyX/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
Länge: 135668328 (129M) (unmaßgeblich)
135.668.328 11,2M/s   in 20s 
2018-02-17 22:27:42 (6,40 MB/s) - »»LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg«« 
gespeichert [135668328]

Stephan

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Ok, updating

US(CA); 1.88MB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(89.4MB/s), PL(6.83M/s), 
SA(8.85M/s), GR (6.36M/s)
US(OR); 808KB/s;   local ISP;   M: UCSD(2MB/s)
US(FL); 1.33MB/s;  residential LAN;
US(TX); 20-100KB/s; hotel wifi; M: UCSD(2.89MB/s), SA(1.42MB/s)(!), 
GR(163KB/s)
US(MI); 1.14MB/s;  residential cable;   M: UCSD(11.6MB/s)
US(NM); 7.23MB/s;  business network;M: UCSD(23.8MB/s)
US(NM): 90 KB/s;   residential ISP; M: UCSD(9.5MB/s)
Ca(Qe): 242 KB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(393 KB/s)
NZ(Du); 800 kB/s;  fibre network;   M: UCSD(1.4 MB/s), PL(650 kB/s), SA(540 
kB/s), GR(780 kB/s)
Tr; 2-3MB/s;   Turknet, local ISP;
EU(Cz); 44.6MB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(16.3MB/s), PL(25.5MB/s), 
SA(14.3MB/s), GR(12.0MB/s)
EU(Pt); 40.8MB/s;  academic network;
EU(Pt); 4.26MB/s;  local ISP;
EU(De); 414KB/s;   local ISP;

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 17/02/2018 5:20 a.m., Pavel Sanda wrote:

Hello lyx users,

it has been brought to our(=developers) attention that downloading speed of lyx
installers might become too slow on various places over the globe. The size of
installers was steadily growing past years and 220 MB might indeed pose problem
in case users end up with connections speeds about ~10kbs...

That's why this small poll - we would be intersted to know how bad the situation
generally is -- especially outside of Europe.

If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
and report:

1. time to download (/ download speed)
2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
(you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)

Both good and bad answers matter, we want to know whether this is sporadic
or widespread problem.

In case your download of the link above is more than couple seconds, it would
be useful if you also reported whether some of the mirror servers listed at
http://www.lyx.org/Download#toc11 which are closer to your geographical
location perform better.

Thanks for your time,
Pavel
Home computer in Dunedin, southern New Zealand. Linked to fibre network 
by ethernet cable rather than wifi. Windows 7. I've simply read the 
download speeds from Firefox. They fluctuate around the figure I've 
given (apart from UCSD which was rock steady).

ftp.lyx.org  850 kB/s (morning); 800 kB/s (evening)
UCSD  1.4 MB/s
Greece  780 kB/s
Poland  650 kB/s
SA  540 kB/s
Italy  couldn't connect

Andrew

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Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Joel Kulesza]

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Pavel Sanda <sa...@lyx.org> wrote:

> Hello lyx users,
>
> it has been brought to our(=developers) attention that downloading speed
> of lyx
> installers might become too slow on various places over the globe. The
> size of
> installers was steadily growing past years and 220 MB might indeed pose
> problem
> in case users end up with connections speeds about ~10kbs...
>
> That's why this small poll - we would be intersted to know how bad the
> situation
> generally is -- especially outside of Europe.
>
> If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3
> .0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
> and report:
>
> 1. time to download (/ download speed)
> 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
> 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)
>
> Both good and bad answers matter, we want to know whether this is sporadic
> or widespread problem.
>


US(NM): 7.23MB/s; business network; UCSD mirror: 23.8MB/s

No logs, but the speeds speak for themselves.

US(NM): 90 KB/s (24 minutes to download); residential ISP; UCSD mirror:
9.5MB/s (16 seconds to download)

As an aside, and as one of the likely instigators of this poll, the slow
speeds I've seen (as slow as 10s of kbps) have been sporadic, albeit
observed in both the US and Asia from ftp.lyx.org.  Note that both of the
residential ISP wgets above were made from the same computer, one directly
after the next.  Note further that the ISP is much derided Comcast
Xfinity...

Full info from my residential wgets:

9995 jkulesza@tempest[/tmp]> time wget
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
--2018-02-16 18:43:20--
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
   => ‘LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg’
Resolving ftp.lyx.org (ftp.lyx.org)... 195.83.118.1
Connecting to ftp.lyx.org (ftp.lyx.org)|195.83.118.1|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD (1) /pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2 ...
done.
==> SIZE LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg ... 135668328
==> PASV ... done.==> RETR LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg ... done.
Length: 135668328 (129M) (unauthoritative)

LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
 
100%[=>]
129.38M  89.6KB/sin 24m 4s

2018-02-16 19:07:27 (91.7 KB/s) - ‘LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg’ saved
[135668328]


real 24m7.349s
user 0m0.713s
sys 0m1.833s
9995 jkulesza@tempest[/tmp]> time wget
ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/LyX/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
--2018-02-16 19:08:04--
ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/LyX/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
   => ‘LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg.1’
Resolving ftp.ucsd.edu (ftp.ucsd.edu)... 2607:f720:300:202::12, 132.239.1.12
Connecting to ftp.ucsd.edu (ftp.ucsd.edu)|2607:f720:300:202::12|:21...
connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD (1) /LyX/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2 ... done.
==> SIZE LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg ... 135668328
==> EPSV ... done.==> RETR LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg ... done.
Length: 135668328 (129M) (unauthoritative)

LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg.1
 
100%[=>]
129.38M  9.55MB/sin 16s

2018-02-16 19:08:21 (8.11 MB/s) - ‘LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg.1’
saved [135668328]


real 0m16.831s
user 0m0.114s
sys 0m0.553s

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Charlie]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:20:53 +0100
Pavel Sanda  wrote:

> If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
> and report:
> 
> 1. time to download (/ download speed)
> 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
> 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)

Sorry, forgot to time it but it was downloaded fairly quickly.

Due to our isolated area am on satellite internet which is pretend
broadband.

Downloaded from Australia from home.

Speeds were from a start of 1.4 MB, sped up and toward the end of the
download reached 2.7 MB, but mainly around the 1.6 - 1.8 MB speed.

Tried it again after a few minutes to time it. Only allowed a few
minutes to do that and the speed never reached higher than 746 KB so
killed it.

Hope that helps.
Charlie
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Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Ok, updating

US(CA); 1.88MB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(89.4MB/s), PL(6.83M/s), 
SA(8.85M/s), GR (6.36M/s)
US(OR); 808KB/s;   local ISP;   M: UCSD(2MB/s)
US(FL); 1.33MB/s;  residential LAN
US(TX); 20-100KB/s; hotel wifi; M: UCSD(2.89MB/s), SA(1.42MB/s)(!), 
GR(163KB/s)
US(MI); 1.14MB/s;  residential cable;   M: UCSD(11.6MB/s)
Ca(Qe): 242 KB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(393 KB/s)
EU(Cz); 44.6MB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(16.3MB/s), PL(25.5MB/s), 
SA(14.3MB/s), GR(12.0MB/s)
EU(Pt); 40.8MB/s;  academic network
EU(Pt); 4.26MB/s;  local ISP;
EU(De); 414KB/s;   local ISP;

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[José Abílio Matos]

On Friday, 16 February 2018 16.20.53 WET Pavel Sanda wrote:
> If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64
> -cocoa.dmg and report:
> 
> 1. time to download (/ download speed)
> 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
> 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)

Hi Pavel,
I get from the main ftp site:

from home:4.26MB/sin 31s
from university network:  40.8MB/sin 4.4s

I can test other sites but for this test this should be more than enough. :-)

Regards,
-- 
José Abílio

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 16/02/2018 à 17:20, Pavel Sanda a écrit :

Hello lyx users,

it has been brought to our(=developers) attention that downloading speed of lyx
installers might become too slow on various places over the globe. The size of
installers was steadily growing past years and 220 MB might indeed pose problem
in case users end up with connections speeds about ~10kbs...

That's why this small poll - we would be intersted to know how bad the situation
generally is -- especially outside of Europe.


FWIW, there may be peering problems these days between the French 
academic network Renater and some parts of the world. I see it at Inria 
and ftp.lyx.org happens to be hosted at lip6.fr, which is on this same 
network.

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am 16.02.2018 um 17:20 schrieb Pavel Sanda:

Hello lyx users,

it has been brought to our(=developers) attention that downloading speed of lyx
installers might become too slow on various places over the globe. The size of
installers was steadily growing past years and 220 MB might indeed pose problem
in case users end up with connections speeds about ~10kbs...

That's why this small poll - we would be intersted to know how bad the situation
generally is -- especially outside of Europe.

If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
and report:

1. time to download (/ download speed)
2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
(you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)

Both good and bad answers matter, we want to know whether this is sporadic
or widespread problem.

In case your download of the link above is more than couple seconds, it would
be useful if you also reported whether some of the mirror servers listed at
http://www.lyx.org/Download#toc11 which are closer to your geographical
location perform better.

Thanks for your time,
Pavel

This is from countryside near Tuebingen, Germany, EU

129,38M   414KB/s    in 4m 24s

real    4m24,550s
user    0m0,784s
sys 0m4,844s

Wolfgang

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Ok, updating

US(CA); 1.88MB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(89.4MB/s), PL(6.83M/s), 
SA(8.85M/s), GR (6.36M/s)
US(OR); 808KB/s;   local ISP;   M: UCSD(2MB/s)
US(FL); 1.33MB/s;  residential LAN
US(TX); 20-100KB/s; hotel wifi; M: UCSD(2.89MB/s), SA(1.42MB/s)(!), 
GR(163KB/s)
Ca(Qe): 242 KB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(393 KB/s)
EU(Cz); 44.6MB/s;  academic network;M: UCSD(16.3MB/s), PL(25.5MB/s), 
SA(14.3MB/s), GR(12.0MB/s)

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Richard Heck wrote:
> how it worked out). The UCSD mirror gave me 2.89MB/s. Just for kicks, I
> tried the South Africa mirror, as well. That gave me an average 1.42MB/s
> (and was over 2MB/s at times). Greece gave me 163KB/s, though it was
> often higher than that.

The South African mirror performance compared to Europe is stunning :)
Perhaps lot of traffic betwen EU<->US right now.

Pavel

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Pavel Sanda wrote:


There's little unit confusion here, I usually run wget which works in
K(=*1024)/M/bytes (ironically it does not report the 'byte' part). Anyway
the reported slowness of wget might be also due to ncftp really measuring
in kB meaning 1000*bit, not byte...


Pavel,

  I was reporting in bits per second.

  Anyway, here's the wget report:

$ wget 
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
--2018-02-16 10:01:35--  
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
   => ‘LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg.2’
Resolving ftp.lyx.org... 195.83.118.1
Connecting to ftp.lyx.org|195.83.118.1|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD (1) /pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2 ... done.
==> SIZE LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg ... 135668328
==> PASV ... done.==> RETR LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg ... done.
Length: 135668328 (129M) (unauthoritative)

LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x 100%[===>] 129.38M   808KB/sin 3m 20s

2018-02-16 10:04:58 (664 KB/s) - ‘LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg.2’ saved 
[135668328]

Rich

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 05:01:18PM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > > 1. time to download (/ download speed)
> > > 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
> > > 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> > > (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)
> > 
> > To start the table with reference times where my fingers reach + Rich's:

Ok, updating

US(CA); 1.88MB/s; academic network; UCSD mirror: 89.4MB/s 
US(OR); 454.19 kB/s; local ISP; UCSD mirror: 2MB/sec
US(FL); 1.33MB/s; residential LAN
US(TX); 20-100KB/s; hotel wifi; UCSD mirror 2.89MB/s, South Africa 1.42MB/s 
(!!), Greece (163KB/s)
Ca(Quebec): 242 KB/s; academic network; UCSD mirror: 393 KB/s
EU(Cz); 44.6MB/s; academic network

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Scott Kostyshak wrote:


US(Or); 454.19 kB/s; local ISP; UCSD mirror: 2Mb/sec



US(FL); 1.33MB/s; residential LAN


  Let me change local ISP to office LAN -> ISP -> backbone. Still slow. :-)

Rich

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Richard Heck]

On 02/16/2018 11:20 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Hello lyx users,
>
> it has been brought to our(=developers) attention that downloading speed of 
> lyx
> installers might become too slow on various places over the globe. The size of
> installers was steadily growing past years and 220 MB might indeed pose 
> problem
> in case users end up with connections speeds about ~10kbs...
>
> That's why this small poll - we would be intersted to know how bad the 
> situation
> generally is -- especially outside of Europe.
>
> If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
> and report:
>
> 1. time to download (/ download speed)
> 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
> 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)
>
> Both good and bad answers matter, we want to know whether this is sporadic
> or widespread problem.
>
> In case your download of the link above is more than couple seconds, it would
> be useful if you also reported whether some of the mirror servers listed at
> http://www.lyx.org/Download#toc11 which are closer to your geographical
> location perform better.

Hi, Pavel,

I am in a hotel in Austin TX at the moment, so using the hotel's wifi.
Downloading from ftp.lyx.org, I'm seeing speeds fluctuating between
about 20KB/s and 100KB/s (so, no, I didn't wait the whole hour to see
how it worked out). The UCSD mirror gave me 2.89MB/s. Just for kicks, I
tried the South Africa mirror, as well. That gave me an average 1.42MB/s
(and was over 2MB/s at times). Greece gave me 163KB/s, though it was
often higher than that.

Richard

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 05:39:42PM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 05:28:39PM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > 
> > > For the rest of reports maybe better if we stick to wget measurements if 
> > > you have them
> > > on your computers. i.e.:
> > > wget 
> > > ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
> > 
> > Just for reference, my results were from that same wget command.
> 
> Does your wget command really shows 'MB' or just 'M'? P

Here is the full command and output that I got:

$ time wget 
'ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg'
   
--2018-02-16 12:17:54--  
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
   => ‘LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg’
Resolving ftp.lyx.org (ftp.lyx.org)... 195.83.118.1
Connecting to ftp.lyx.org (ftp.lyx.org)|195.83.118.1|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD (1) /pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2 ... done.
==> SIZE LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg ... 135668328
==> PASV ... done.==> RETR LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg ... done.
Length: 135668328 (129M) (unauthoritative)

LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg 
100%[==>] 
129.38M  1.33MB/sin 1m 48s  

2018-02-16 12:19:44 (1.20 MB/s) - ‘LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg’ saved 
[135668328]


real1m49.965s
user0m0.546s
sys 0m3.068s
$

Scott


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Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 05:28:39PM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> 
> > For the rest of reports maybe better if we stick to wget measurements if 
> > you have them
> > on your computers. i.e.:
> > wget 
> > ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
> 
> Just for reference, my results were from that same wget command.

Does your wget command really shows 'MB' or just 'M'? P

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 05:28:39PM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:

> For the rest of reports maybe better if we stick to wget measurements if you 
> have them
> on your computers. i.e.:
> wget 
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg

Just for reference, my results were from that same wget command.

Scott


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Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Rich Shepard wrote:
>   Looks to me like the pipe between the server and the tester's ISP (which
>   would be the universtiy/college in two cases) has the largest influence,
>   not the connection between user and ISP. It will be interesting to see the
>   rest of the results.

I think too.

>   Perhaps responders could report their nominal download speeds and the type
>   of connection they have to their upstream provider. That would be
>   interesting, too.

Thay can if they wish, but the bad cases (less than hundreds of kb/s)
will be responsibility of provider<-ftp.lyx.org connection I believe.

I am mostly interested about results from Asia/South America though, that's
where the worst reports came from (5kb/s)...

Pavel

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>
>> Hello lyx users,
>> If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
>> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
>> and report:
>
> Pavel,
>
>   $ ncftpget 
> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
>   ETA:   6:28  129.38 MB  454.19 kB/s
>
>   I am in Troutdale, Oregon, the upper left corner of the US. I have a 
> fiber
> connnection to my ISP, 15Mbps down/5Mbps up. That's equivalent to
> 1.875Mb/sec and I normally see 1.74Mb/sec downloads so this file ran about
> 20% of my normal download speed. 'wget' would be even slower; ETA of 25
> minutes.

There's little unit confusion here, I usually run wget which works in 
K(=*1024)/M/bytes
(ironically it does not report the 'byte' part).
Anyway the reported slowness of wget might be also due to ncftp really
measuring in kB meaning 1000*bit, not byte...

For the rest of reports maybe better if we stick to wget measurements if you 
have them
on your computers. i.e.:
wget 
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg

Pavel

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 05:01:18PM +, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > 1. time to download (/ download speed)
> > 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
> > 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> > (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)
> 
> To start the table with reference times where my fingers reach + Rich's:
> 
> US(CA); 1.88M/s; academic network; UCSD mirror: 89.4M/s 
> US(Or); 454.19 kB/s; local ISP; UCSD mirror: 2Mb/sec
> Ca(Quebec): 242 Kb/s; academic network; UCSD mirror: 393 Kb/s
> EU(Cz); 44.6M/s; academic network

US(FL); 1.33MB/s; residential LAN

Scott


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Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Pavel Sanda wrote:


To start the table with reference times where my fingers reach + Rich's:

US(CA); 1.88M/s; academic network; UCSD mirror: 89.4M/s
US(Or); 454.19 kB/s; local ISP; UCSD mirror: 2Mb/sec
Ca(Quebec): 242 Kb/s; academic network; UCSD mirror: 393 Kb/s
EU(Cz); 44.6M/s; academic network


Pavel,

  Looks to me like the pipe between the server and the tester's ISP (which
would be the universtiy/college in two cases) has the largest influence, not
the connection between user and ISP. It will be interesting to see the rest
of the results.

  Perhaps responders could report their nominal download speeds and the type
of connection they have to their upstream provider. That would be
interesting, too.

Regards,

Rich

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> 1. time to download (/ download speed)
> 2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
> 3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
> (you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)

To start the table with reference times where my fingers reach + Rich's:

US(CA); 1.88M/s; academic network; UCSD mirror: 89.4M/s 
US(Or); 454.19 kB/s; local ISP; UCSD mirror: 2Mb/sec
Ca(Quebec): 242 Kb/s; academic network; UCSD mirror: 393 Kb/s
EU(Cz); 44.6M/s; academic network

Re: Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Rich Shepard]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Pavel Sanda wrote:


Hello lyx users,
If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
and report:


Pavel,

  $ ncftpget 
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
ETA:   6:28  129.38 MB  454.19 kB/s

  I am in Troutdale, Oregon, the upper left corner of the US. I have a fiber
connnection to my ISP, 15Mbps down/5Mbps up. That's equivalent to
1.875Mb/sec and I normally see 1.74Mb/sec downloads so this file ran about
20% of my normal download speed. 'wget' would be even slower; ETA of 25
minutes.

  My office is in my house.


http://www.lyx.org/Download#toc11 which are closer to your geographical


  Could not find it on the uscd.edu/mirror2/ server, but the largest file
there, an .exe file, was dribbling down at about 250kbps (2Mb/sec).

  Since I run only linux and download source files I've not hit any speed
issues.

  Hope this information is useful,

Carpe weekend,

Rich

Small poll - download speed of LyX installers

[Pavel Sanda]

Hello lyx users,

it has been brought to our(=developers) attention that downloading speed of lyx
installers might become too slow on various places over the globe. The size of
installers was steadily growing past years and 220 MB might indeed pose problem
in case users end up with connections speeds about ~10kbs...

That's why this small poll - we would be intersted to know how bad the situation
generally is -- especially outside of Europe.

If you have one minute of spare time could you download this file
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/devel/lyx-2.3/lyx-2.3.0rc2/LyX-2.3.0rc2+qt5-x86_64-cocoa.dmg
and report:

1. time to download (/ download speed)
2. country (and/or domain) where you download from
3. whether you download from home/academic network/large company...
(you don't have to report more details than it feels comfortable...)

Both good and bad answers matter, we want to know whether this is sporadic
or widespread problem.

In case your download of the link above is more than couple seconds, it would
be useful if you also reported whether some of the mirror servers listed at
http://www.lyx.org/Download#toc11 which are closer to your geographical
location perform better.

Thanks for your time,
Pavel

Re: Small poll about svn

[Vaclav Smidl]

On Thu October 8 2009 17:50:26 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 hi,
 
 i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
 using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is
  the crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop
  me version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

1.6.4

vasek

Re: Small poll about svn

[Andrés Becerra Sandoval]

1.6.5


-- 
  Andrés

Re: Small poll about svn

[Vaclav Smidl]

On Thu October 8 2009 17:50:26 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 hi,
 
 i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
 using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is
  the crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop
  me version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

1.6.4

vasek

Re: Small poll about svn

[Andrés Becerra Sandoval]

1.6.5


-- 
  Andrés

Re: Small poll about svn

[Vaclav Smidl]

On Thu October 8 2009 17:50:26 Pavel Sanda wrote:
> hi,
> 
> i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
> using some svn syntax from version >=1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is
>  the crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop
>  me version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

1.6.4

vasek

Re: Small poll about svn

[Andrés Becerra Sandoval]

1.6.5


-- 
  Andrés

Small poll about svn

[Pavel Sanda]

hi,

i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is the
crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop me
version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

pavel

Re: Small poll about svn

[Les Denham]

On Thursday 08 October 2009 10:50:26 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 hi,

 i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
 using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is
 the crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop me
 version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

 pavel

I use LyX on several systems from 1.5.7 to 1.6.4 so if I understand your 
question correctly, I would not be directly affected.

However, I still have old files archived from as far back as 1.3, and possibly 
earlier.  I'd certainly like them to open on new releases without any 
problems.

Les
-- 
..
Les Denham

Re: Small poll about svn

[José Matos]

On Thursday 08 October 2009 Les Denham wrote:
 
 I use LyX on several systems from 1.5.7 to 1.6.4 so if I understand your
 question correctly, I would not be directly affected.

I think the version number Pavel is referring is related to subversion not to 
lyx's version.

 However, I still have old files archived from as far back as 1.3, and
  possibly earlier.  I'd certainly like them to open on new releases without
  any problems.

Don't worry about this lyx supports loading all documents since version 0.10 
(and some from before).

 Les
 

-- 
José Abílio

Re: Small poll about svn

[James C. Sutherland]

On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:


hi,

i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm  
thinking about
using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how  
big is the
crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop  
me

version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

pavel


I am using SVN versions from 1.5.5 to 1.6.5.

Re: Small poll about svn

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

hi,

i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is the
crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop me
version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

  


I am using svn-1.6 and I am not interested in any earlier version :-)

Abdel.

Re: Small poll about svn

[Iain Mac Donald]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:50:26 +0200
Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 other words could you drop me
 version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

1.6

Re: Small poll about svn

[John Coppens]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:50:26 +0200
Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 hi,

Hullo,  1.5.5. here

John

Small poll about svn

[Pavel Sanda]

hi,

i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is the
crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop me
version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

pavel

Re: Small poll about svn

[Les Denham]

On Thursday 08 October 2009 10:50:26 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 hi,

 i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
 using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is
 the crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop me
 version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

 pavel

I use LyX on several systems from 1.5.7 to 1.6.4 so if I understand your 
question correctly, I would not be directly affected.

However, I still have old files archived from as far back as 1.3, and possibly 
earlier.  I'd certainly like them to open on new releases without any 
problems.

Les
-- 
..
Les Denham

Re: Small poll about svn

[José Matos]

On Thursday 08 October 2009 Les Denham wrote:
 
 I use LyX on several systems from 1.5.7 to 1.6.4 so if I understand your
 question correctly, I would not be directly affected.

I think the version number Pavel is referring is related to subversion not to 
lyx's version.

 However, I still have old files archived from as far back as 1.3, and
  possibly earlier.  I'd certainly like them to open on new releases without
  any problems.

Don't worry about this lyx supports loading all documents since version 0.10 
(and some from before).

 Les
 

-- 
José Abílio

Re: Small poll about svn

[James C. Sutherland]

On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:


hi,

i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm  
thinking about
using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how  
big is the
crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop  
me

version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

pavel


I am using SVN versions from 1.5.5 to 1.6.5.

Re: Small poll about svn

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

hi,

i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
using some svn syntax from version =1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is the
crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop me
version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

  


I am using svn-1.6 and I am not interested in any earlier version :-)

Abdel.

Re: Small poll about svn

[Iain Mac Donald]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:50:26 +0200
Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 other words could you drop me
 version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

1.6

Re: Small poll about svn

[John Coppens]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:50:26 +0200
Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 hi,

Hullo,  1.5.5. here

John

Small poll about svn

[Pavel Sanda]

hi,

i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
using some svn syntax from version >=1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is the
crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop me
version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

pavel

Re: Small poll about svn

[Les Denham]

On Thursday 08 October 2009 10:50:26 Pavel Sanda wrote:
> hi,
>
> i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
> using some svn syntax from version >=1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is
> the crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop me
> version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?
>
> pavel

I use LyX on several systems from 1.5.7 to 1.6.4 so if I understand your 
question correctly, I would not be directly affected.

However, I still have old files archived from as far back as 1.3, and possibly 
earlier.  I'd certainly like them to open on new releases without any 
problems.

Les
-- 
..
Les Denham

Re: Small poll about svn

[José Matos]

On Thursday 08 October 2009 Les Denham wrote:
> 
> I use LyX on several systems from 1.5.7 to 1.6.4 so if I understand your
> question correctly, I would not be directly affected.

I think the version number Pavel is referring is related to subversion not to 
lyx's version.

> However, I still have old files archived from as far back as 1.3, and
>  possibly earlier.  I'd certainly like them to open on new releases without
>  any problems.

Don't worry about this lyx supports loading all documents since version 0.10 
(and some from before).

> Les
> 

-- 
José Abílio

Re: Small poll about svn

[James C. Sutherland]

On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:


hi,

i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm  
thinking about
using some svn syntax from version >=1.5 for new lyx commands. how  
big is the
crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop  
me

version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

pavel


I am using SVN versions from 1.5.5 to 1.6.5.

Re: Small poll about svn

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

hi,

i have small question for people using lyx + subversion. i'm thinking about
using some svn syntax from version >=1.5 for new lyx commands. how big is the
crowd of people still using svn 1.4 or in other words could you drop me
version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

  


I am using svn-1.6 and I am not interested in any earlier version :-)

Abdel.

Re: Small poll about svn

[Iain Mac Donald]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:50:26 +0200
Pavel Sanda  wrote:

> other words could you drop me
> version number of subversion you use to have some ratio?

1.6

Re: Small poll about svn

[John Coppens]

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:50:26 +0200
Pavel Sanda  wrote:

> hi,

Hullo,  1.5.5. here

John

Re: Small poll

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 05:13:35PM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
 Well finishing the QT-Frontend won't make the Xforms-GUI go away 
 (immediately...). It is important to get the QT-Frontend to a usable state, 
 so that users can test it out. ATM, I find the QT-Frontend less responsive 
 than the Xforms frontend, especially where it comes to scrolling.

To put it mildly...

Even on my new AMD 1700+ scrolling is somewhat sluggish. Not to the
extend to make it unusable but I'd rather not try it on my good old P133...

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Small poll

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 05:13:35PM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
 Well finishing the QT-Frontend won't make the Xforms-GUI go away 
 (immediately...). It is important to get the QT-Frontend to a usable state, 
 so that users can test it out. ATM, I find the QT-Frontend less responsive 
 than the Xforms frontend, especially where it comes to scrolling.

To put it mildly...

Even on my new AMD 1700+ scrolling is somewhat sluggish. Not to the
extend to make it unusable but I'd rather not try it on my good old P133...

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Small poll

[Andre Poenitz]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 05:13:35PM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
> Well finishing the QT-Frontend won't make the Xforms-GUI go away 
> (immediately...). It is important to get the QT-Frontend to a usable state, 
> so that users can test it out. ATM, I find the QT-Frontend less responsive 
> than the Xforms frontend, especially where it comes to scrolling.

To put it mildly...

Even on my "new" AMD 1700+ scrolling is somewhat sluggish. Not to the
extend to make it unusable but I'd rather not try it on my good old P133...

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Small poll

[Paul Tremblay]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:55:58AM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
 
 Xforms sucks so bad, and QT is so beautiful. Also torturing the developers 
 to finally finish the job is known to work wonders :-)
 

I am not trying to be a contrarian here. I am sure you are right, that
QT is so much better (though I'm not sure what it is --is it what KDE
uses?). But LyX under Xform is so predictable and stable for me. It is
the *only* document processor that even comes close to working on my
linux box. Everything else is simply unusable, in part because of the
gui.

So yes, Xforms is ugly. But its predictability and stability make it
beautiful for me. I hope the the new gui for LyX is as easy to set up
and as predictable as Xforms. 

Paul

-- 


*Paul Tremblay *
*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*

Re: Small poll

[Moritz Moeller-Herrmann]

Paul Tremblay wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:55:58AM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
 
 Xforms sucks so bad, and QT is so beautiful. Also torturing the
 developers to finally finish the job is known to work wonders :-)
 
 
 I am not trying to be a contrarian here. I am sure you are right, that
 QT is so much better (though I'm not sure what it is --is it what KDE
 uses?).

Yes, KDE, qtella, opera, YaST are all qt-based.

 But LyX under Xform is so predictable and stable for me. It is
 the *only* document processor that even comes close to working on my
 linux box. Everything else is simply unusable, in part because of the
 gui.
 
 So yes, Xforms is ugly. But its predictability and stability make it
 beautiful for me. I hope the the new gui for LyX is as easy to set up
 and as predictable as Xforms.

Well finishing the QT-Frontend won't make the Xforms-GUI go away 
(immediately...). It is important to get the QT-Frontend to a usable state, 
so that users can test it out. ATM, I find the QT-Frontend less responsive 
than the Xforms frontend, especially where it comes to scrolling.

-- 
Moritz Moeller-Herrmann ICQ #3585990
(wiss. Mitarbeiter, IMGB, Mannheim)

Re: Small poll

[Paul Tremblay]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:55:58AM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
 
 Xforms sucks so bad, and QT is so beautiful. Also torturing the developers 
 to finally finish the job is known to work wonders :-)
 

I am not trying to be a contrarian here. I am sure you are right, that
QT is so much better (though I'm not sure what it is --is it what KDE
uses?). But LyX under Xform is so predictable and stable for me. It is
the *only* document processor that even comes close to working on my
linux box. Everything else is simply unusable, in part because of the
gui.

So yes, Xforms is ugly. But its predictability and stability make it
beautiful for me. I hope the the new gui for LyX is as easy to set up
and as predictable as Xforms. 

Paul

-- 


*Paul Tremblay *
*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*

Re: Small poll

[Moritz Moeller-Herrmann]

Paul Tremblay wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:55:58AM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
 
 Xforms sucks so bad, and QT is so beautiful. Also torturing the
 developers to finally finish the job is known to work wonders :-)
 
 
 I am not trying to be a contrarian here. I am sure you are right, that
 QT is so much better (though I'm not sure what it is --is it what KDE
 uses?).

Yes, KDE, qtella, opera, YaST are all qt-based.

 But LyX under Xform is so predictable and stable for me. It is
 the *only* document processor that even comes close to working on my
 linux box. Everything else is simply unusable, in part because of the
 gui.
 
 So yes, Xforms is ugly. But its predictability and stability make it
 beautiful for me. I hope the the new gui for LyX is as easy to set up
 and as predictable as Xforms.

Well finishing the QT-Frontend won't make the Xforms-GUI go away 
(immediately...). It is important to get the QT-Frontend to a usable state, 
so that users can test it out. ATM, I find the QT-Frontend less responsive 
than the Xforms frontend, especially where it comes to scrolling.

-- 
Moritz Moeller-Herrmann ICQ #3585990
(wiss. Mitarbeiter, IMGB, Mannheim)

Re: Small poll

[Paul Tremblay]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:55:58AM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
> 
> Xforms sucks so bad, and QT is so beautiful. Also torturing the developers 
> to finally finish the job is known to work wonders :-)
> 

I am not trying to be a contrarian here. I am sure you are right, that
QT is so much better (though I'm not sure what it is --is it what KDE
uses?). But LyX under Xform is so predictable and stable for me. It is
the *only* document processor that even comes close to working on my
linux box. Everything else is simply unusable, in part because of the
gui.

So yes, Xforms is ugly. But its predictability and stability make it
beautiful for me. I hope the the new gui for LyX is as easy to set up
and as predictable as Xforms. 

Paul

-- 


*Paul Tremblay *
*[EMAIL PROTECTED]*

Re: Small poll

[Moritz Moeller-Herrmann]

Paul Tremblay wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:55:58AM +0100, Moritz Moeller-Herrmann wrote:
>> 
>> Xforms sucks so bad, and QT is so beautiful. Also torturing the
>> developers to finally finish the job is known to work wonders :-)
>> 
> 
> I am not trying to be a contrarian here. I am sure you are right, that
> QT is so much better (though I'm not sure what it is --is it what KDE
> uses?).

Yes, KDE, qtella, opera, YaST are all qt-based.

> But LyX under Xform is so predictable and stable for me. It is
> the *only* document processor that even comes close to working on my
> linux box. Everything else is simply unusable, in part because of the
> gui.
 
> So yes, Xforms is ugly. But its predictability and stability make it
> beautiful for me. I hope the the new gui for LyX is as easy to set up
> and as predictable as Xforms.

Well finishing the QT-Frontend won't make the Xforms-GUI go away 
(immediately...). It is important to get the QT-Frontend to a usable state, 
so that users can test it out. ATM, I find the QT-Frontend less responsive 
than the Xforms frontend, especially where it comes to scrolling.

-- 
Moritz Moeller-Herrmann ICQ #3585990
(wiss. Mitarbeiter, IMGB, Mannheim)

Re: Small poll

[Moritz Moeller-Herrmann]

Andre Poenitz wrote:

 
 Just a small poll [As background: the Qt frontend is the single big item
 on the 1.3 list that's not done and won't be finished within the next few
 weeks.]
 
 What would _you_ prefer if you had the choice:

(b)

Xforms sucks so bad, and QT is so beautiful. Also torturing the developers 
to finally finish the job is known to work wonders :-)

-- 
Moritz Moeller-Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wiss. Mitarbeiter, IMGB
La loi, dans un grand souci d'égalité, interdit aux riches comme aux
pauvres de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues et de voler
du pain. 
(ANATOLE FRANCE)
 

Re: Small poll

[Moritz Moeller-Herrmann]

Andre Poenitz wrote:

 
 Just a small poll [As background: the Qt frontend is the single big item
 on the 1.3 list that's not done and won't be finished within the next few
 weeks.]
 
 What would _you_ prefer if you had the choice:

(b)

Xforms sucks so bad, and QT is so beautiful. Also torturing the developers 
to finally finish the job is known to work wonders :-)

-- 
Moritz Moeller-Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wiss. Mitarbeiter, IMGB
La loi, dans un grand souci d'égalité, interdit aux riches comme aux
pauvres de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues et de voler
du pain. 
(ANATOLE FRANCE)
 

Re: Small poll

[Moritz Moeller-Herrmann]

Andre Poenitz wrote:

> 
> Just a small poll [As background: the Qt frontend is the single big item
> on the 1.3 list that's not done and won't be finished within the next few
> weeks.]
> 
> What would _you_ prefer if you had the choice:

(b)

Xforms sucks so bad, and QT is so beautiful. Also torturing the developers 
to finally finish the job is known to work wonders :-)

-- 
Moritz Moeller-Herrmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wiss. Mitarbeiter, IMGB
La loi, dans un grand souci d'égalité, interdit aux riches comme aux
pauvres de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues et de voler
du pain. 
(ANATOLE FRANCE)
 

Re: Small poll - Results

[John Levon]

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:

 Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
 the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently 
 finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).

I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)

regards
john

-- 
All photography is accurate - none of it is truth.
- Richard Avedon

Re: Small poll - Results

[slitt]

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 01:47 pm, John Levon wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
  Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
  the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently
  finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).

 I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)

 regards
 john

John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess, 
but could it be accomplished by a translation to 
\begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to 
format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?

So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:

I want character styles

\begin{\charstyle{shout}}
big time

\end{\charstyle{shout}}
, because they're so vital to today's authoring.

Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could 
translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to 
\end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}

Does that look doable to you?

Thanks

Steve

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Re: Small poll - Results

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

slitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess, 
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to 
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to 
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
| 
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
| 
| I want character styles
| 
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
| 
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.

or...

I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.

 
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could 
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to 
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
| 
| Does that look doable to you?

\newcommand{shout}{...}

 I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.


I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...

-- 
Lgb

Re: Small poll - Results

[Robin Turner]

Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:

slitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess, 
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to 
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to 
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
| 
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
| 
| I want character styles
| 
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
| 
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.

or...

I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.

 
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could 
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to 
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
| 
| Does that look doable to you?

\newcommand{shout}{...}

 I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.


I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...

In terms of code, would it be really different from the toggle-font 
feature? (speaking as an ignoramus here - my C++ experience didn't get 
further than Hello World)

I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does 
documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and 
menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font.  Can't 
toggle three ways!

Robin

--
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Compulsory physical exercise does no harm to the body,
but compulsory learning never sticks in the mind. - Plato

Robin Turner
IDMYO,
Bilkent University
Ankara 06533
Turkey

www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin

Re: Small poll - Results

[John Levon]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 01:18:03AM +0200, Robin Turner wrote:

 I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does 
 documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and 
 menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font.  Can't 
 toggle three ways!

The font toggle mechanism is really an ugly hack to make things bearable
currently. Lars vetoed improvements in this area a long time ago, in
favour of character styles. I agree with him now.

john

-- 
All the people we like are We, and everyone else is They.
- Kipling

Re: Small poll - Results

[Fernando Perez]

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Levon wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
 
  Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
  the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently 
  finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).
 
 I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)

Very much looking forward to it. Keep up the good work!

f.

Re: Small poll - Results

[John Levon]

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:

 Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
 the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently 
 finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).

I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)

regards
john

-- 
All photography is accurate - none of it is truth.
- Richard Avedon

Re: Small poll - Results

[slitt]

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 01:47 pm, John Levon wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
  Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
  the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently
  finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).

 I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)

 regards
 john

John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess, 
but could it be accomplished by a translation to 
\begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to 
format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?

So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:

I want character styles

\begin{\charstyle{shout}}
big time

\end{\charstyle{shout}}
, because they're so vital to today's authoring.

Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could 
translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to 
\end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}

Does that look doable to you?

Thanks

Steve

-- 
_
Steve Litt
Author: 
  * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware
  * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist
  * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist
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Re: Small poll - Results

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

slitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess, 
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to 
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to 
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
| 
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
| 
| I want character styles
| 
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
| 
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.

or...

I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.

 
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could 
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to 
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
| 
| Does that look doable to you?

\newcommand{shout}{...}

 I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.


I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...

-- 
Lgb

Re: Small poll - Results

[Robin Turner]

Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:

slitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess, 
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to 
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to 
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
| 
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
| 
| I want character styles
| 
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
| 
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.

or...

I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.

 
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could 
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to 
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
| 
| Does that look doable to you?

\newcommand{shout}{...}

 I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.


I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...

In terms of code, would it be really different from the toggle-font 
feature? (speaking as an ignoramus here - my C++ experience didn't get 
further than Hello World)

I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does 
documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and 
menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font.  Can't 
toggle three ways!

Robin

--
A free man ought not to learn anything under duress.
Compulsory physical exercise does no harm to the body,
but compulsory learning never sticks in the mind. - Plato

Robin Turner
IDMYO,
Bilkent University
Ankara 06533
Turkey

www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin

Re: Small poll - Results

[John Levon]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 01:18:03AM +0200, Robin Turner wrote:

 I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does 
 documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and 
 menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font.  Can't 
 toggle three ways!

The font toggle mechanism is really an ugly hack to make things bearable
currently. Lars vetoed improvements in this area a long time ago, in
favour of character styles. I agree with him now.

john

-- 
All the people we like are We, and everyone else is They.
- Kipling

Re: Small poll - Results

[Fernando Perez]

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Levon wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
 
  Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
  the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently 
  finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).
 
 I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)

Very much looking forward to it. Keep up the good work!

f.

Re: Small poll - Results

[John Levon]

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:

> Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
> the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently 
> finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).

I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)

regards
john

-- 
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- Richard Avedon

Re: Small poll - Results

[slitt]

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 01:47 pm, John Levon wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
> > Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
> > the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently
> > finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).
>
> I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)
>
> regards
> john

John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess, 
but could it be accomplished by a translation to 
\begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to 
format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?

So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:

I want character styles

\begin{\charstyle{shout}}
big time

\end{\charstyle{shout}}
, because they're so vital to today's authoring.

Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could 
translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to 
\end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}

Does that look doable to you?

Thanks

Steve

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Re: Small poll - Results

[Lars Gullik Bjønnes]

slitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess, 
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to 
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to 
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
| 
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
| 
| I want character styles
| 
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
| 
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.

or...

I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.

 
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could 
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to 
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
| 
| Does that look doable to you?

\newcommand{shout}{...}

 I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.


I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...

-- 
Lgb

Re: Small poll - Results

[Robin Turner]

Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:

slitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

| John -- has anyone started character styles yet? This is just a wild guess, 
| but could it be accomplished by a translation to 
| \begin{\whatever}\begin{\whichever}text to 
| format\end{\whichever}\end{\whatever}?
| 
| So maybe in the LyX file, it would look like this:
| 
| I want character styles
| 
| \begin{\charstyle{shout}}
| big time
| 
| \end{\charstyle{shout}}
| , because they're so vital to today's authoring.

or...

I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.

 
| Then, assuming shout is defined as Largest and Bold, perhaps LyX could 
| translate the begin to \begin{LARGE}\begin{bfseries} and end to 
| \end{bfseries}\end{LARGE}
| 
| Does that look doable to you?

\newcommand{shout}{...}

 I want character styles \shout{big time}, because they're so
vital to today's authoring.


I really, really do not want this feature as just a new hack (which
actually would be quite ease), but us to prepare the core of lyx
properly for this...

In terms of code, would it be really different from the toggle-font 
feature? (speaking as an ignoramus here - my C++ experience didn't get 
further than "Hello World")

I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does 
documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and 
menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font.  Can't 
toggle three ways!

Robin

--
"A free man ought not to learn anything under duress.
Compulsory physical exercise does no harm to the body,
but compulsory learning never sticks in the mind." - Plato

Robin Turner
IDMYO,
Bilkent University
Ankara 06533
Turkey

www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin

Re: Small poll - Results

[John Levon]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 01:18:03AM +0200, Robin Turner wrote:

> I like the idea of character styles - like almost anyone who does 
> documentation, I frequently write with a roman font, but with keys and 
> menu items in sans-serif and user input in a typewriter font.  Can't 
> toggle three ways!

The font toggle mechanism is really an ugly hack to make things bearable
currently. Lars vetoed improvements in this area a long time ago, in
favour of character styles. I agree with him now.

john

-- 
""All the people we like are We, and everyone else is They."
- Kipling

Re: Small poll - Results

[Fernando Perez]

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Levon wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:30:02PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote:
> 
> > Anyway, I've been a happy user of Lyx for 5 years and I could live with
> > the xforms junk for another 5 if need be. Lyx is _that_ good (currently 
> > finishing my dissertation with 1.1.6f4).
> 
> I'm hoping to make that 5 weeks not 5 years you have to wait :)

Very much looking forward to it. Keep up the good work!

f.

Re: Small poll

[Peter Martin]

Andre

Since 1.2 works pretty well at the moment I would like to wait for 1.3 to
have a fully (or as near as possible) Qt front end.

Pete Martin

Re: Small poll

[Michael Jaeger]

Hi,

On Monday, 28. October 2002 07:40, Andre Poenitz wrote:
| What would _you_ prefer if you had the choice:
|   (b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put everything
|   else to sleep until then.

I'm still using lyx 1.1.6fix4 and I'm pretty pleased by this version.  A 
QT-GUI would be a serious reason for me to switch to a new version of lyx, 
so I would prefer finishing the QT-GUI before release version 1.3.

Michael.

RE: Small poll

[Jochen Wurster]

Hi,

My vote ist for (b).

  (b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put everything
  else to sleep until then.

Bye

Re: Small poll

[Christian Ridderström]

 Just a small poll [As background: the Qt frontend is the single big item on
 the 1.3 list that's not done and won't be finished within the next few
 weeks.]
 
 What would _you_ prefer if you had the choice:
 
   (a) have 1.3.0 now as-is with its barely functional Qt frontend,
   start with the 1.4 cycle immediately.
 
   (b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put everything
   else to sleep until then.
 
   (c) I don't care
 

Alternative (b):

The only major annoyance that I'm bothered by, and which I'd like to see a 
patch for in 1.2.2, is the problem that LyX doesn't notice when Xfig- och 
Tgif images have been modified on disk. 

Other than that I think it's a great program :-)

-- 
Christian Ridderström  http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Mechatronics division   
Department of Machine Design   http://www.md.kth.se

Re: Small poll

[Thomas Templin]

On Monday 28 October 2002 07:40, Andre Poenitz wrote:
 Just a small poll [As background: the Qt frontend is the single
 big item on the 1.3 list that's not done and won't be finished
 within the next few weeks.]

 What would _you_ prefer if you had the choice:

   (b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put
 everything else to sleep until then.
IMHO, will bring a lot of new LyX users. Most Linux Newbies are 
only using KDE applications and even dont know that there are a 
lot of other apps that would do the job better. 
Due to my experience a lot of the people using LyX for the first 
time in a LyX course are a bit detered when they see lyx pop up 
the first time. 
Thomas

Re: Small poll

[Jos Luis Gmez Dans]

 What would _you_ prefer if you had the choice:
   (b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put everything
   else to sleep until then.

(b) would be great, and having a version of Lyx that copes with 
underscores in equation references will be even better:-)
Jose
-- 
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Tel: +44 114 222 5582   Radar  Communications Group
FAX; +44 870 132 2990   Department of Electronic Engineering
University of Sheffield UK

Re: Small poll

[Alexander Volovics]

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:40:47AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
 
 What would _you_ prefer if you had the choice:
 
   (a) have 1.3.0 now as-is with its barely functional Qt frontend,
   start with the 1.4 cycle immediately.
 
   (b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put everything
   else to sleep until then.
 
   (c) I don't care

I would prefer (b)
BUT only if Lyx would then fully support UTF-8/Xft2/fontconfig.

Alexander

Re: Small poll

[Andre Poenitz]

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 12:59:35PM +0100, Alexander Volovics wrote:
(a) have 1.3.0 now as-is with its barely functional Qt frontend,
start with the 1.4 cycle immediately.
  
(b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put everything
else to sleep until then.
  
(c) I don't care
 
 I would prefer (b)
 BUT only if Lyx would then fully support UTF-8/Xft2/fontconfig.

How do you vote in a real ballot:  Make a cross somewhere and write down
BUT only if he reduces taxes?

Andre'

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Small poll

[Renaud MICHEL]

Le Lundi 28 Octobre 2002 07:40, Andre Poenitz a écrit :
   (b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put everything
   else to sleep until then.

I am waiting for the Qt front-end and prefer to wait for it to be ready 
before 1.3 is released.

-- 
Renaud Michel

L' oûrs piede ses poy, mins måy ses lêdès manîres.

Re: Small poll

[Paul Borgermans]

(b) for me too

Tx

Paul

Andre Poenitz wrote:


Just a small poll [As background: the Qt frontend is the single big item on
the 1.3 list that's not done and won't be finished within the next few
weeks.]

What would _you_ prefer if you had the choice:

  (a) have 1.3.0 now as-is with its barely functional Qt frontend,
  start with the 1.4 cycle immediately.

  (b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put everything
  else to sleep until then.

  (c) I don't care

Andre'

--
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)

Re: Small poll

[Alexander Volovics]

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 01:06:01PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:

 (a) have 1.3.0 now as-is with its barely functional Qt frontend,
 start with the 1.4 cycle immediately.
 
 (b) release 1.3.0 if the Qt frontend is ready and put everything
 else to sleep until then.
  
 (c) I don't care
 
  I would prefer (b)
  BUT only if Lyx would then fully support UTF-8/Xft2/fontconfig.
 
 How do you vote in a real ballot:  Make a cross somewhere and write down
 BUT only if he reduces taxes?

Sometimes {^_-}

OK how about:

I would prefer (b)
BUT only if Lyx would then fully support UTF-8/Xft2/fontconfig 
else (a)

Forced multiple choice is too black and white here.

Alexander