Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Wolfgang Engelmann
 wrote:
>
> Am 17.11.2014 um 18:48 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Wolfgang Engelmann <
> engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
>
> Am 17.11.2014 um 16:23 schrieb stefano franchi:
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
>  wrote:
>
>
>  Thanks, Julien and Stefano
> for your suggestions. For the time being I changed the bst file at the
> appropriate site (and->und). I might try archlinux later.
>
>
>  Oops, I didn't mean to suggest that switching distribution is the only
> solution for  installing biber!
> I do think, however, that running TeXLive under Ubuntu/Debian may cause
> problems *unless* you ditch the Ubuntu-provided packages and switch to the
> true TeXLive distribution. I believe our own Scott K has indeed written a
> series of scripts to make that process easier [1]
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefano
>
>
> [1]https://github.com/scottkosty/install-tl-ubuntu/blob/master/install-tl-ubuntu
>
>  That sounds good. From the install instruction of it:
>
>   To do this, the official TeX  Live 2014 installer is downloaded and
> used and apt is informed that TeX  dependencies are satisfied. Thus, when
> you want to install a program with  apt-get that depends on TeX Live, apt
> will not try to install the TeX Live  packages from the Ubuntu
> repositories.
>
> how is apt informed that TeX dependencies are satisfied?
>
> Wolfgang
>
> Through equivs. It basically installs a dummy package that as far as apt is
> concerned is the same as installing TeX Live debs.
>
> Scott
>
> Something like http://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html  ? ->
>
> Tell APT about your TeX Live installation by building a dummy package using
> equivs:
>
> $ aptitude install equivs # as root
> mkdir /tmp/tl-equivs && cd /tmp/tl-equivs
> equivs-control texlive-local
> # edit texlive-local (see below)
> $ equivs-build texlive-local
> $ sudo dpkg -i texlive-local_2014-1_all.deb
>
> At the step "edit texlive-local", edit the Maintainer field and the list of
> the packages provided by your local TeX Live installation as appropriate. If
> you installed scheme-full except collection-texinfo as recommended, the file
> should look like the following example file for TL 2014. For older releases
> use one of the following examples files: for TL 2013, for TL 2011.

Yes that's correct. If you want to use install-tl-ubuntu and customize
the control file, just edit this file:
https://github.com/scottkosty/install-tl-ubuntu/blob/master/debian-control-texlive-in.txt

Scott

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am 17.11.2014 um 18:48 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Wolfgang Engelmann <
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:


Am 17.11.2014 um 16:23 schrieb stefano franchi:

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann 
 wrote:


  Thanks, Julien and Stefano
for your suggestions. For the time being I changed the bst file at the
appropriate site (and->und). I might try archlinux later.


  Oops, I didn't mean to suggest that switching distribution is the only
solution for  installing biber!
I do think, however, that running TeXLive under Ubuntu/Debian may cause
problems *unless* you ditch the Ubuntu-provided packages and switch to the
true TeXLive distribution. I believe our own Scott K has indeed written a
series of scripts to make that process easier [1]

Cheers,

Stefano


[1]https://github.com/scottkosty/install-tl-ubuntu/blob/master/install-tl-ubuntu

  That sounds good. From the install instruction of it:

   To do this, the official TeX  Live 2014 installer is downloaded and
used and apt is informed that TeX  dependencies are satisfied. Thus, when
you want to install a program with  apt-get that depends on TeX Live, apt
will not try to install the TeX Live  packages from the Ubuntu
repositories.

how is apt informed that TeX dependencies are satisfied?

Wolfgang


Through equivs. It basically installs a dummy package that as far as apt is
concerned is the same as installing TeX Live debs.

Scott


Something like http://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html  ? ->

Tell APT about your TeX Live installation by building a dummy package 
using equivs:


|$ aptitude install equivs # as root
mkdir /tmp/tl-equivs && cd /tmp/tl-equivs
equivs-control texlive-local
# edit texlive-local (see below)
$ equivs-build texlive-local
$ sudo dpkg -i texlive-local_2014-1_all.deb
|

At the step "edit texlive-local", edit the Maintainer field and the list 
of the packages provided by your local TeX Live installation as 
appropriate. If you installed scheme-full except collection-texinfo as 
recommended, the file should look like the following example file for TL 
2014 . For 
older releases use one of the following examples files: for TL 2013 
, for TL 
2011 .


Wolfgang

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Wolfgang Engelmann <
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:

>
> Am 17.11.2014 um 16:23 schrieb stefano franchi:
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann 
>  wrote:
>
>
>  Thanks, Julien and Stefano
> for your suggestions. For the time being I changed the bst file at the
> appropriate site (and->und). I might try archlinux later.
>
>
>  Oops, I didn't mean to suggest that switching distribution is the only
> solution for  installing biber!
> I do think, however, that running TeXLive under Ubuntu/Debian may cause
> problems *unless* you ditch the Ubuntu-provided packages and switch to the
> true TeXLive distribution. I believe our own Scott K has indeed written a
> series of scripts to make that process easier [1]
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefano
>
>
> [1]https://github.com/scottkosty/install-tl-ubuntu/blob/master/install-tl-ubuntu
>
>  That sounds good. From the install instruction of it:
>
>   To do this, the official TeX  Live 2014 installer is downloaded and
> used and apt is informed that TeX  dependencies are satisfied. Thus, when
> you want to install a program with  apt-get that depends on TeX Live, apt
> will not try to install the TeX Live  packages from the Ubuntu
> repositories.
>
> how is apt informed that TeX dependencies are satisfied?
>
> Wolfgang
>

Through equivs. It basically installs a dummy package that as far as apt is
concerned is the same as installing TeX Live debs.

Scott

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am 17.11.2014 um 16:23 schrieb stefano franchi:

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann <
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:


Thanks, Julien and Stefano
for your suggestions. For the time being I changed the bst file at the
appropriate site (and->und). I might try archlinux later.


Oops, I didn't mean to suggest that switching distribution is the only
solution for  installing biber!
I do think, however, that running TeXLive under Ubuntu/Debian may cause
problems *unless* you ditch the Ubuntu-provided packages and switch to the
true TeXLive distribution. I believe our own Scott K has indeed written a
series of scripts to make that process easier [1]

Cheers,

Stefano


[1]
https://github.com/scottkosty/install-tl-ubuntu/blob/master/install-tl-ubuntu

That sounds good. From the install instruction of it:

To do this, the official TeX
Live 2014 installer is downloaded and used and apt is informed that TeX
dependencies are satisfied. Thus, when you want to install a program with
apt-get that depends on TeX Live, apt will not try to install the TeX 
Live

packages from the Ubuntu repositories.



how is apt informed that TeX dependencies are satisfied?

Wolfgang

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[stefano franchi]

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann <
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:

> Thanks, Julien and Stefano
> for your suggestions. For the time being I changed the bst file at the
> appropriate site (and->und). I might try archlinux later.
>

Oops, I didn't mean to suggest that switching distribution is the only
solution for  installing biber!
I do think, however, that running TeXLive under Ubuntu/Debian may cause
problems *unless* you ditch the Ubuntu-provided packages and switch to the
true TeXLive distribution. I believe our own Scott K has indeed written a
series of scripts to make that process easier [1]

Cheers,

Stefano


[1]
https://github.com/scottkosty/install-tl-ubuntu/blob/master/install-tl-ubuntu


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stefano.fran...@gmail.com 
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Thanks, Julien and Stefano
for your suggestions. For the time being I changed the bst file at the 
appropriate site (and->und). I might try archlinux later.

Wolfgang

Am 15.11.2014 um 16:59 schrieb stefano franchi:

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann <
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:




 Weitergeleitete Nachricht   Betreff: and instead of und
in german reference citation  Datum: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:20:49 +0100  Von:
Wolfgang Engelmann 
  An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
sorry, I had included a third possibility (biblatex) without mentioning
that I am not sure I can manage to install biber (kubuntu). How difficult
is it to install it? (Kubuntu)



It depends on which TeX distribution you are using. With the "true"
TeXLive, biber is installed automatically. If, on the other hand, you are
using Kubuntu's Tex packages, the situation is more complicated. According
to this, one year old link [1], (K)Ubuntu is using old versions for both
biblatex and biber, and should be avoided by switching to a true texlive
installation instead.
I actually followed that strategy myself when still using Ubuntu, before I
eventually switched to a different Linux distribution altogether
(Archilinux) which has a much better support of TeXLive (among other
advantages).
Hopefully the situation has improved with more recent versions of Ubuntu.

The bottom line, though, is that the difficulties in installing
biber/biblatex on Linux are distribution dependent, and totally independent
of LyX.

The difficulties with using biblatex in LyX, however, are a real problem. I
just started working on it, but don't expect any results soon.



Cheers,

S.

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[stefano franchi]

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann <
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:

>
>
>
>  Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------  Betreff: and instead of und
> in german reference citation  Datum: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:20:49 +0100  Von:
> Wolfgang Engelmann 
>   An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> sorry, I had included a third possibility (biblatex) without mentioning
> that I am not sure I can manage to install biber (kubuntu). How difficult
> is it to install it? (Kubuntu)
>
>
It depends on which TeX distribution you are using. With the "true"
TeXLive, biber is installed automatically. If, on the other hand, you are
using Kubuntu's Tex packages, the situation is more complicated. According
to this, one year old link [1], (K)Ubuntu is using old versions for both
biblatex and biber, and should be avoided by switching to a true texlive
installation instead.
I actually followed that strategy myself when still using Ubuntu, before I
eventually switched to a different Linux distribution altogether
(Archilinux) which has a much better support of TeXLive (among other
advantages).
Hopefully the situation has improved with more recent versions of Ubuntu.

The bottom line, though, is that the difficulties in installing
biber/biblatex on Linux are distribution dependent, and totally independent
of LyX.

The difficulties with using biblatex in LyX, however, are a real problem. I
just started working on it, but don't expect any results soon.



Cheers,

S.



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stefano.fran...@gmail.com 
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Thanks, Julien,
for your instruction. Will do so and save the file under spbasicMyGerman.bst
Wolfgang

Am 15.11.2014 um 14:08 schrieb Julien Rioux:

On 15/11/2014 4:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang




The file spbasic.bst is a plain text file which you can edit with a 
simple editor. You can locate it on the command line using


kpsewhich spbasic.bst

which will give you its path. Make a local copy of spbasic.bst in the 
same folder as your LyX file (I recommend also giving it a different 
name). Open the file and you will find


FUNCTION {bbl.and}
{ "and"}

followed by many more short functions for "edited by", "chap", etc. 
The part {bbl.and} defines the name of the function, and should be 
left as is. The part { "and"} is the return value of the function, 
which you want to change. Simply replace "and" to "und" and also 
translate any of the other functions as necessary. Use this translated 
copy in your LyX file.


Cheers,
Julien

Re: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Julien Rioux]

On 15/11/2014 4:20 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang




The file spbasic.bst is a plain text file which you can edit with a 
simple editor. You can locate it on the command line using


kpsewhich spbasic.bst

which will give you its path. Make a local copy of spbasic.bst in the 
same folder as your LyX file (I recommend also giving it a different 
name). Open the file and you will find


FUNCTION {bbl.and}
{ "and"}

followed by many more short functions for "edited by", "chap", etc. The 
part {bbl.and} defines the name of the function, and should be left as 
is. The part { "and"} is the return value of the function, which you 
want to change. Simply replace "and" to "und" and also translate any of 
the other functions as necessary. Use this translated copy in your LyX file.


Cheers,
Julien

Fwd: and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:and instead of und in german reference citation
Datum:  Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:20:49 +0100
Von:Wolfgang Engelmann 
An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org


sorry, I had included a third possibility (biblatex) without mentioning 
that I am not sure I can manage to install biber (kubuntu). How 
difficult is it to install it? (Kubuntu)


PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.


Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document,
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking
to work.

I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german
spbasic or whatever (which one?),
or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses
changes?

Wolfgang

and instead of und in german reference citation

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Hello,
I get in a German document
and instead of und in the german reference citation.
Style file is spbasic.
I am using natbib author/year as the citation style and language German 
with encoding default
PS, this really should be more explicit for the Lyx people to document, 
since biblatex is a really good package, but requires a lot of tweaking 
to work.


I guess I have either to change the bst file from spbasic to a german 
spbasic or whatever (which one?),

or to change the and to und (but probably more issues) in the spbasic.
Could I share the bst file with somebody who has already done theses 
changes?


Wolfgang