Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Daniel Lohmann
daniel.lohm...@informatik.uni-erlangen.de wrote:
 a clean solution might be possible using the afterpage package. Basically it
 provides the \afterpage{something} command, which causes the expansion of
 something to be postponed until LaTeX has shipped out the current page. If
 you insert your long table this way, it should (theoretically) appear on the
 beginning of the next page without interrupting the flow of text on the
 current page.

It seems that this should be possible. This document [1] describes the usage.
Liviu

[1] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/fancyhdr/fancyhdr.pdf

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Rob Oakes]

Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and for the link. 
 I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package all morning, and I am very 
happy to report that it works famously.  I am able to exactly the type of 
behavior that I wanted by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} macro.

Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents (at least no 
more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom inset that would 
automatically place long tables at the top of a new page, while maintaining the 
wrapping of the text.

The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been testing it on a 
couple of rather complicated documents, and it works exactly like I want it to. 
 I'm relatively sure that I'll come across bugs and other such stuff, so I'm 
sure that it will get posted to my website at some point.

I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find it useful.

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

-Original Message-
From: Liviu Andronic [mailto:landronim...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:13 AM
To: Daniel Lohmann
Cc: Rob Oakes; lyx mail list
Subject: Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Daniel Lohmann 
daniel.lohm...@informatik.uni-erlangen.de wrote:
 a clean solution might be possible using the afterpage package. 
 Basically it provides the \afterpage{something} command, which 
 causes the expansion of something to be postponed until LaTeX has 
 shipped out the current page. If you insert your long table this way, 
 it should (theoretically) appear on the beginning of the next page 
 without interrupting the flow of text on the current page.

It seems that this should be possible. This document [1] describes the usage.
Liviu

[1] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/fancyhdr/fancyhdr.pdf


longtablepage.module
Description: Binary data

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[stephen's mailinglist account]

2010/1/15 Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us:
 Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

 Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and for the 
 link.  I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package all morning, and I 
 am very happy to report that it works famously.  I am able to exactly the 
 type of behavior that I wanted by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} 
 macro.

 Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents (at least no 
 more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom inset that would 
 automatically place long tables at the top of a new page, while maintaining 
 the wrapping of the text.

 The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been testing it on a 
 couple of rather complicated documents, and it works exactly like I want it 
 to.  I'm relatively sure that I'll come across bugs and other such stuff, so 
 I'm sure that it will get posted to my website at some point.

 I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find it useful.

 Cheers,

 Rob Oakes


that seems to work very well thank you very much.  Float the long
table to the top of a page.  Table breaks and text continues after
table finishes on second page.

module can also be modified for putting longtables sideways on a page
change preamble to this
\usepackage{afterpage}
\usepackage{pdflscape}
\newcommand{\longtablelandscapepage}[1]{%
\afterpage{\clearpage\begin{landscape} 
{#1}\end{landscape}}}


-- 
Stephen

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[stephen's mailinglist account]

Can more than one inset layout be placed in a module? Or does this
(landscape longtable) have to be a second module?

2010/1/15 stephen's mailinglist account stephen4mailingli...@googlemail.com:
 2010/1/15 Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us:
 Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

 Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and for the 
 link.  I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package all morning, and 
 I am very happy to report that it works famously.  I am able to exactly the 
 type of behavior that I wanted by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} 
 macro.

 Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents (at least 
 no more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom inset that would 
 automatically place long tables at the top of a new page, while maintaining 
 the wrapping of the text.

 The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been testing it on a 
 couple of rather complicated documents, and it works exactly like I want it 
 to.  I'm relatively sure that I'll come across bugs and other such stuff, so 
 I'm sure that it will get posted to my website at some point.

 I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find it useful.

 Cheers,

 Rob Oakes


 that seems to work very well thank you very much.  Float the long
 table to the top of a page.  Table breaks and text continues after
 table finishes on second page.

 module can also be modified for putting longtables sideways on a page
 change preamble to this
                \usepackage{afterpage}
                \usepackage{pdflscape}
                \newcommand{\longtablelandscapepage}[1]{%
                        \afterpage{\clearpage\begin{landscape} 
 {#1}\end{landscape}}}


 --
 Stephen




-- 
Stephen

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Rob Oakes]

Any number of InsetLayouts can be placed in a module. You will want to  
make sure that you define a new macro, however.


Cheers,

Rob

Sent from Rob's Palm

On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:16 PM, stephen's mailinglist account stephen4mailingli...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:



Can more than one inset layout be placed in a module? Or does this
(landscape longtable) have to be a second module?

2010/1/15 stephen's mailinglist account stephen4mailingli...@googlemail.com 
:

2010/1/15 Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us:

Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and  
for the link.  I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package  
all morning, and I am very happy to report that it works  
famously.  I am able to exactly the type of behavior that I wanted  
by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} macro.


Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents  
(at least no more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom  
inset that would automatically place long tables at the top of a  
new page, while maintaining the wrapping of the text.


The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been  
testing it on a couple of rather complicated documents, and it  
works exactly like I want it to.  I'm relatively sure that I'll  
come across bugs and other such stuff, so I'm sure that it will  
get posted to my website at some point.


I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find  
it useful.


Cheers,

Rob Oakes



that seems to work very well thank you very much.  Float the long
table to the top of a page.  Table breaks and text continues after
table finishes on second page.

module can also be modified for putting longtables sideways on a page
change preamble to this
   \usepackage{afterpage}
   \usepackage{pdflscape}
   \newcommand{\longtablelandscapepage}[1]{%
   \afterpage{\clearpage\begin{landscape}  
{#1}\end{landscape}}}



--
Stephen





--
Stephen

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Daniel Lohmann
daniel.lohm...@informatik.uni-erlangen.de wrote:
 a clean solution might be possible using the afterpage package. Basically it
 provides the \afterpage{something} command, which causes the expansion of
 something to be postponed until LaTeX has shipped out the current page. If
 you insert your long table this way, it should (theoretically) appear on the
 beginning of the next page without interrupting the flow of text on the
 current page.

It seems that this should be possible. This document [1] describes the usage.
Liviu

[1] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/fancyhdr/fancyhdr.pdf

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Rob Oakes]

Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and for the link. 
 I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package all morning, and I am very 
happy to report that it works famously.  I am able to exactly the type of 
behavior that I wanted by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} macro.

Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents (at least no 
more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom inset that would 
automatically place long tables at the top of a new page, while maintaining the 
wrapping of the text.

The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been testing it on a 
couple of rather complicated documents, and it works exactly like I want it to. 
 I'm relatively sure that I'll come across bugs and other such stuff, so I'm 
sure that it will get posted to my website at some point.

I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find it useful.

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

-Original Message-
From: Liviu Andronic [mailto:landronim...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:13 AM
To: Daniel Lohmann
Cc: Rob Oakes; lyx mail list
Subject: Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Daniel Lohmann 
daniel.lohm...@informatik.uni-erlangen.de wrote:
 a clean solution might be possible using the afterpage package. 
 Basically it provides the \afterpage{something} command, which 
 causes the expansion of something to be postponed until LaTeX has 
 shipped out the current page. If you insert your long table this way, 
 it should (theoretically) appear on the beginning of the next page 
 without interrupting the flow of text on the current page.

It seems that this should be possible. This document [1] describes the usage.
Liviu

[1] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/fancyhdr/fancyhdr.pdf


longtablepage.module
Description: Binary data

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[stephen's mailinglist account]

2010/1/15 Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us:
 Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

 Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and for the 
 link.  I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package all morning, and I 
 am very happy to report that it works famously.  I am able to exactly the 
 type of behavior that I wanted by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} 
 macro.

 Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents (at least no 
 more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom inset that would 
 automatically place long tables at the top of a new page, while maintaining 
 the wrapping of the text.

 The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been testing it on a 
 couple of rather complicated documents, and it works exactly like I want it 
 to.  I'm relatively sure that I'll come across bugs and other such stuff, so 
 I'm sure that it will get posted to my website at some point.

 I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find it useful.

 Cheers,

 Rob Oakes


that seems to work very well thank you very much.  Float the long
table to the top of a page.  Table breaks and text continues after
table finishes on second page.

module can also be modified for putting longtables sideways on a page
change preamble to this
\usepackage{afterpage}
\usepackage{pdflscape}
\newcommand{\longtablelandscapepage}[1]{%
\afterpage{\clearpage\begin{landscape} 
{#1}\end{landscape}}}


-- 
Stephen

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[stephen's mailinglist account]

Can more than one inset layout be placed in a module? Or does this
(landscape longtable) have to be a second module?

2010/1/15 stephen's mailinglist account stephen4mailingli...@googlemail.com:
 2010/1/15 Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us:
 Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

 Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and for the 
 link.  I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package all morning, and 
 I am very happy to report that it works famously.  I am able to exactly the 
 type of behavior that I wanted by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} 
 macro.

 Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents (at least 
 no more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom inset that would 
 automatically place long tables at the top of a new page, while maintaining 
 the wrapping of the text.

 The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been testing it on a 
 couple of rather complicated documents, and it works exactly like I want it 
 to.  I'm relatively sure that I'll come across bugs and other such stuff, so 
 I'm sure that it will get posted to my website at some point.

 I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find it useful.

 Cheers,

 Rob Oakes


 that seems to work very well thank you very much.  Float the long
 table to the top of a page.  Table breaks and text continues after
 table finishes on second page.

 module can also be modified for putting longtables sideways on a page
 change preamble to this
                \usepackage{afterpage}
                \usepackage{pdflscape}
                \newcommand{\longtablelandscapepage}[1]{%
                        \afterpage{\clearpage\begin{landscape} 
 {#1}\end{landscape}}}


 --
 Stephen




-- 
Stephen

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Rob Oakes]

Any number of InsetLayouts can be placed in a module. You will want to  
make sure that you define a new macro, however.


Cheers,

Rob

Sent from Rob's Palm

On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:16 PM, stephen's mailinglist account stephen4mailingli...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:



Can more than one inset layout be placed in a module? Or does this
(landscape longtable) have to be a second module?

2010/1/15 stephen's mailinglist account stephen4mailingli...@googlemail.com 
:

2010/1/15 Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us:

Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and  
for the link.  I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package  
all morning, and I am very happy to report that it works  
famously.  I am able to exactly the type of behavior that I wanted  
by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} macro.


Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents  
(at least no more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom  
inset that would automatically place long tables at the top of a  
new page, while maintaining the wrapping of the text.


The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been  
testing it on a couple of rather complicated documents, and it  
works exactly like I want it to.  I'm relatively sure that I'll  
come across bugs and other such stuff, so I'm sure that it will  
get posted to my website at some point.


I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find  
it useful.


Cheers,

Rob Oakes



that seems to work very well thank you very much.  Float the long
table to the top of a page.  Table breaks and text continues after
table finishes on second page.

module can also be modified for putting longtables sideways on a page
change preamble to this
   \usepackage{afterpage}
   \usepackage{pdflscape}
   \newcommand{\longtablelandscapepage}[1]{%
   \afterpage{\clearpage\begin{landscape}  
{#1}\end{landscape}}}



--
Stephen





--
Stephen

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Daniel Lohmann
 wrote:
> a clean solution might be possible using the afterpage package. Basically it
> provides the \afterpage{} command, which causes the expansion of
>  to be postponed until LaTeX has shipped out the current page. If
> you insert your long table this way, it should (theoretically) appear on the
> beginning of the next page without interrupting the flow of text on the
> current page.
>
It seems that this should be possible. This document [1] describes the usage.
Liviu

[1] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/fancyhdr/fancyhdr.pdf

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Rob Oakes]

Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and for the link. 
 I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package all morning, and I am very 
happy to report that it works famously.  I am able to exactly the type of 
behavior that I wanted by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} macro.

Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents (at least no 
more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom inset that would 
automatically place long tables at the top of a new page, while maintaining the 
wrapping of the text.

The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been testing it on a 
couple of rather complicated documents, and it works exactly like I want it to. 
 I'm relatively sure that I'll come across bugs and other such stuff, so I'm 
sure that it will get posted to my website at some point.

I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find it useful.

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

-Original Message-
From: Liviu Andronic [mailto:landronim...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:13 AM
To: Daniel Lohmann
Cc: Rob Oakes; lyx mail list
Subject: Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Daniel Lohmann 
<daniel.lohm...@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> wrote:
> a clean solution might be possible using the afterpage package. 
> Basically it provides the \afterpage{} command, which 
> causes the expansion of  to be postponed until LaTeX has 
> shipped out the current page. If you insert your long table this way, 
> it should (theoretically) appear on the beginning of the next page 
> without interrupting the flow of text on the current page.
>
It seems that this should be possible. This document [1] describes the usage.
Liviu

[1] http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/fancyhdr/fancyhdr.pdf


longtablepage.module
Description: Binary data

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[stephen's mailinglist account]

2010/1/15 Rob Oakes :
> Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,
>
> Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and for the 
> link.  I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package all morning, and I 
> am very happy to report that it works famously.  I am able to exactly the 
> type of behavior that I wanted by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} 
> macro.
>
> Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents (at least no 
> more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom inset that would 
> automatically place long tables at the top of a new page, while maintaining 
> the wrapping of the text.
>
> The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been testing it on a 
> couple of rather complicated documents, and it works exactly like I want it 
> to.  I'm relatively sure that I'll come across bugs and other such stuff, so 
> I'm sure that it will get posted to my website at some point.
>
> I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find it useful.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob Oakes
>

that seems to work very well thank you very much.  Float the long
table to the top of a page.  Table breaks and text continues after
table finishes on second page.

module can also be modified for putting longtables sideways on a page
change preamble to this
\usepackage{afterpage}
\usepackage{pdflscape}
\newcommand{\longtablelandscapepage}[1]{%
\afterpage{\clearpage\begin{landscape} 
{#1}\end{landscape}}}


-- 
Stephen

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[stephen's mailinglist account]

Can more than one inset layout be placed in a module? Or does this
(landscape longtable) have to be a second module?

2010/1/15 stephen's mailinglist account :
> 2010/1/15 Rob Oakes :
>> Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,
>>
>> Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and for the 
>> link.  I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package all morning, and 
>> I am very happy to report that it works famously.  I am able to exactly the 
>> type of behavior that I wanted by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} 
>> macro.
>>
>> Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents (at least 
>> no more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom inset that would 
>> automatically place long tables at the top of a new page, while maintaining 
>> the wrapping of the text.
>>
>> The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been testing it on a 
>> couple of rather complicated documents, and it works exactly like I want it 
>> to.  I'm relatively sure that I'll come across bugs and other such stuff, so 
>> I'm sure that it will get posted to my website at some point.
>>
>> I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find it useful.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rob Oakes
>>
>
> that seems to work very well thank you very much.  Float the long
> table to the top of a page.  Table breaks and text continues after
> table finishes on second page.
>
> module can also be modified for putting longtables sideways on a page
> change preamble to this
>                \usepackage{afterpage}
>                \usepackage{pdflscape}
>                \newcommand{\longtablelandscapepage}[1]{%
>                        \afterpage{\clearpage\begin{landscape} 
> {#1}\end{landscape}}}
>
>
> --
> Stephen
>



-- 
Stephen

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Rob Oakes]

Any number of InsetLayouts can be placed in a module. You will want to  
make sure that you define a new macro, however.


Cheers,

Rob

Sent from Rob's Palm

On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:16 PM, "stephen's mailinglist account"  wrote:



Can more than one inset layout be placed in a module? Or does this
(landscape longtable) have to be a second module?

2010/1/15 stephen's mailinglist account :

2010/1/15 Rob Oakes :

Dear Daniel, Liviu and Other LyX Users,

Daniel and Liviu, thank you very much for the recommendations and  
for the link.  I've been experimenting with the \afterpage package  
all morning, and I am very happy to report that it works  
famously.  I am able to exactly the type of behavior that I wanted  
by using the \afterpage{\clearpage LongTable} macro.


Because I've never been a huge fan of using ERT in LyX documents  
(at least no more than is necessary), I decided to create a custom  
inset that would automatically place long tables at the top of a  
new page, while maintaining the wrapping of the text.


The attached module is a first run at that inset.  I've been  
testing it on a couple of rather complicated documents, and it  
works exactly like I want it to.  I'm relatively sure that I'll  
come across bugs and other such stuff, so I'm sure that it will  
get posted to my website at some point.


I am forwarding it to the group in the hope that others will find  
it useful.


Cheers,

Rob Oakes



that seems to work very well thank you very much.  Float the long
table to the top of a page.  Table breaks and text continues after
table finishes on second page.

module can also be modified for putting longtables sideways on a page
change preamble to this
   \usepackage{afterpage}
   \usepackage{pdflscape}
   \newcommand{\longtablelandscapepage}[1]{%
   \afterpage{\clearpage\begin{landscape}  
{#1}\end{landscape}}}



--
Stephen





--
Stephen

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Helge Hafting]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

Dear all
Sorry for the cross-posting, but this is at the same time posting a
solution and requesting a feature.

I've been using table floats with subfloats and normal tables, and
they work nicely. However, when the float becomes too long for the
page---because of the length of the subtables---, it will not break.
I've tried to use longtables in the subfloats, but compilation fails.
This seems to be normal behaviour for LaTeX [1].


A float supposed to never break - that is the point of having
floats in the first place. A float may float to the next page
precisely to avoid breaking. This because images/tables cannot
be broken in a useful way. (Especially images.) A float is supposed
to be a single unbreakable block, no
matter what you actually put into it.

Non-breaking is not the main effect of a float, an
image or table won't break if you put it directly in the
text without a float. But then you get bad page breaking
with large white gaps. A float floats so that these
white gaps is avoided.

The longtable is what you use when you want a table to
break across pages. You don't put it in a float, you just put the
longtable directly in the text. It will break when necessary, and 
optionally repeat header rows after the break so the continued

table will be easier to read.


So:

When you want a one-piece table, use a table inside a float.

When you want a table that can break across pages, use a longtable
without the float.

And if you want several tables so that the page can break
between them, put each table into a float of its own.

If you want two tables together without a page break between them,
put them in the same float.

With these rules, no ERT is necessary. (I.e. LyX is fine as-is.)
Are you trying to do something unusual?

I guess your ERT is there to get the captions you want? It seems
risky putting floats in between tables, because the floats
might float somewhere else and that would look wrong.



Helge Hafting

RE: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Helge,

You make good  points, but there is a third use case that I am currently 
struggling with (and which Liviu's solution appears to address, at least in 
part).  What do you do with long tables that you don't want to disrupt the flow 
of the text?

Let me give you an example.  I am currently working on a book about writing 
with open source tools.  One of the chapters in this book is an overview of the 
different LaTeX classes and their options.  For some of the classes (like 
Memoir and Beamer), there are many different options that control the 
appearance of headers, footers and chapter headings.  In trying to describe the 
options, I've found that the most space efficient way is to create a 
long-table.  Some of these tables can stretch over two, or sometimes even three 
pages.

However, I want them to work like floats, in that the table will be started at 
the top of a new page without disrupting the flow of the other text.  The 
current long-table approach doesn't work very well in that I have to manually 
calculate the page breaks and move the environment to an appropriate place in 
the text.  This is similar to how I would need to work with Word and is very 
frustrating.

Are you aware of a method to position long tables so that they combine the best 
featrues of the float environment (e.g. semi-automatic displacement so that 
they don't disrupt the flow of the text) and the long-table environment (so 
that you can have page breaks at appropriate places)?

For me, getting the sort of sub-labeling described by Liviu is not something I 
am concerned about.  In fact, I would prefer to maintain the standard labeling 
scheme (Table ChapNum.TableNum).

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

Hello

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:
 So:

 When you want a one-piece table, use a table inside a float.

 When you want a table that can break across pages, use a longtable
 without the float.

 And if you want several tables so that the page can break
 between them, put each table into a float of its own.

 If you want two tables together without a page break between them,
 put them in the same float.

 With these rules, no ERT is necessary. (I.e. LyX is fine as-is.)
 Are you trying to do something unusual?

Yes, it seems so. These days I had to deal with tables that stretched
easily over two pages, prompting the use of longtable. However,
there were too many of them, hence the need for grouping. The standard
approaches that you described no longer applied.


 I guess your ERT is there to get the captions you want? It seems

Yes.

 risky putting floats in between tables,

I don't think I'm doing this.

 because the floats
 might float somewhere else and that would look wrong.

The longtable construct is using [H] (Here definitely placement)
for the caption float, while longtable  is used for the rest of
the (sub-)tables.  And all these are wrapped in
\begin{subtables}
[..]
\end{subtables}

This allows for grouping several long-tables under one caption,
something not immediately obvious in LaTeX (or LyX). Perhaps this is
not a frequent case, but it might arise from time to time.

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

Hello Rob

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
 Are you aware of a method to position long tables so that they combine the 
 best featrues of the float environment (e.g. semi-automatic displacement so 
 that they don't disrupt the flow of the text) and the long-table environment 
 (so that you can have page breaks at appropriate places)?

I am not sure if this is of help, but there is a patched version of
longtable [1]. Perhaps it implements what you need.
Liviu

[1] http://www.digitas.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/wiki/ken/LongTable

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Daniel Lohmann]

Hi Rob,

a clean solution might be possible using the afterpage package.  
Basically it provides the \afterpage{something} command, which  
causes the expansion of something to be postponed until LaTeX has  
shipped out the current page. If you insert your long table this way,  
it should (theoretically) appear on the beginning of the next page  
without interrupting the flow of text on the current page.



Daniel


On 14.01.2010, at 16:20, Rob Oakes wrote:


Hi Helge,

You make good  points, but there is a third use case that I am  
currently struggling with (and which Liviu's solution appears to  
address, at least in part).  What do you do with long tables that  
you don't want to disrupt the flow of the text?


Let me give you an example.  I am currently working on a book about  
writing with open source tools.  One of the chapters in this book is  
an overview of the different LaTeX classes and their options.  For  
some of the classes (like Memoir and Beamer), there are many  
different options that control the appearance of headers, footers  
and chapter headings.  In trying to describe the options, I've found  
that the most space efficient way is to create a long-table.  Some  
of these tables can stretch over two, or sometimes even three pages.


However, I want them to work like floats, in that the table will be  
started at the top of a new page without disrupting the flow of the  
other text.  The current long-table approach doesn't work very well  
in that I have to manually calculate the page breaks and move the  
environment to an appropriate place in the text.  This is similar to  
how I would need to work with Word and is very frustrating.


Are you aware of a method to position long tables so that they  
combine the best featrues of the float environment (e.g. semi- 
automatic displacement so that they don't disrupt the flow of the  
text) and the long-table environment (so that you can have page  
breaks at appropriate places)?


For me, getting the sort of sub-labeling described by Liviu is not  
something I am concerned about.  In fact, I would prefer to maintain  
the standard labeling scheme (Table ChapNum.TableNum).


Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Helge Hafting]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

Dear all
Sorry for the cross-posting, but this is at the same time posting a
solution and requesting a feature.

I've been using table floats with subfloats and normal tables, and
they work nicely. However, when the float becomes too long for the
page---because of the length of the subtables---, it will not break.
I've tried to use longtables in the subfloats, but compilation fails.
This seems to be normal behaviour for LaTeX [1].


A float supposed to never break - that is the point of having
floats in the first place. A float may float to the next page
precisely to avoid breaking. This because images/tables cannot
be broken in a useful way. (Especially images.) A float is supposed
to be a single unbreakable block, no
matter what you actually put into it.

Non-breaking is not the main effect of a float, an
image or table won't break if you put it directly in the
text without a float. But then you get bad page breaking
with large white gaps. A float floats so that these
white gaps is avoided.

The longtable is what you use when you want a table to
break across pages. You don't put it in a float, you just put the
longtable directly in the text. It will break when necessary, and 
optionally repeat header rows after the break so the continued

table will be easier to read.


So:

When you want a one-piece table, use a table inside a float.

When you want a table that can break across pages, use a longtable
without the float.

And if you want several tables so that the page can break
between them, put each table into a float of its own.

If you want two tables together without a page break between them,
put them in the same float.

With these rules, no ERT is necessary. (I.e. LyX is fine as-is.)
Are you trying to do something unusual?

I guess your ERT is there to get the captions you want? It seems
risky putting floats in between tables, because the floats
might float somewhere else and that would look wrong.



Helge Hafting

RE: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Helge,

You make good  points, but there is a third use case that I am currently 
struggling with (and which Liviu's solution appears to address, at least in 
part).  What do you do with long tables that you don't want to disrupt the flow 
of the text?

Let me give you an example.  I am currently working on a book about writing 
with open source tools.  One of the chapters in this book is an overview of the 
different LaTeX classes and their options.  For some of the classes (like 
Memoir and Beamer), there are many different options that control the 
appearance of headers, footers and chapter headings.  In trying to describe the 
options, I've found that the most space efficient way is to create a 
long-table.  Some of these tables can stretch over two, or sometimes even three 
pages.

However, I want them to work like floats, in that the table will be started at 
the top of a new page without disrupting the flow of the other text.  The 
current long-table approach doesn't work very well in that I have to manually 
calculate the page breaks and move the environment to an appropriate place in 
the text.  This is similar to how I would need to work with Word and is very 
frustrating.

Are you aware of a method to position long tables so that they combine the best 
featrues of the float environment (e.g. semi-automatic displacement so that 
they don't disrupt the flow of the text) and the long-table environment (so 
that you can have page breaks at appropriate places)?

For me, getting the sort of sub-labeling described by Liviu is not something I 
am concerned about.  In fact, I would prefer to maintain the standard labeling 
scheme (Table ChapNum.TableNum).

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

Hello

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:
 So:

 When you want a one-piece table, use a table inside a float.

 When you want a table that can break across pages, use a longtable
 without the float.

 And if you want several tables so that the page can break
 between them, put each table into a float of its own.

 If you want two tables together without a page break between them,
 put them in the same float.

 With these rules, no ERT is necessary. (I.e. LyX is fine as-is.)
 Are you trying to do something unusual?

Yes, it seems so. These days I had to deal with tables that stretched
easily over two pages, prompting the use of longtable. However,
there were too many of them, hence the need for grouping. The standard
approaches that you described no longer applied.


 I guess your ERT is there to get the captions you want? It seems

Yes.

 risky putting floats in between tables,

I don't think I'm doing this.

 because the floats
 might float somewhere else and that would look wrong.

The longtable construct is using [H] (Here definitely placement)
for the caption float, while longtable  is used for the rest of
the (sub-)tables.  And all these are wrapped in
\begin{subtables}
[..]
\end{subtables}

This allows for grouping several long-tables under one caption,
something not immediately obvious in LaTeX (or LyX). Perhaps this is
not a frequent case, but it might arise from time to time.

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

Hello Rob

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:
 Are you aware of a method to position long tables so that they combine the 
 best featrues of the float environment (e.g. semi-automatic displacement so 
 that they don't disrupt the flow of the text) and the long-table environment 
 (so that you can have page breaks at appropriate places)?

I am not sure if this is of help, but there is a patched version of
longtable [1]. Perhaps it implements what you need.
Liviu

[1] http://www.digitas.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/wiki/ken/LongTable

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Daniel Lohmann]

Hi Rob,

a clean solution might be possible using the afterpage package.  
Basically it provides the \afterpage{something} command, which  
causes the expansion of something to be postponed until LaTeX has  
shipped out the current page. If you insert your long table this way,  
it should (theoretically) appear on the beginning of the next page  
without interrupting the flow of text on the current page.



Daniel


On 14.01.2010, at 16:20, Rob Oakes wrote:


Hi Helge,

You make good  points, but there is a third use case that I am  
currently struggling with (and which Liviu's solution appears to  
address, at least in part).  What do you do with long tables that  
you don't want to disrupt the flow of the text?


Let me give you an example.  I am currently working on a book about  
writing with open source tools.  One of the chapters in this book is  
an overview of the different LaTeX classes and their options.  For  
some of the classes (like Memoir and Beamer), there are many  
different options that control the appearance of headers, footers  
and chapter headings.  In trying to describe the options, I've found  
that the most space efficient way is to create a long-table.  Some  
of these tables can stretch over two, or sometimes even three pages.


However, I want them to work like floats, in that the table will be  
started at the top of a new page without disrupting the flow of the  
other text.  The current long-table approach doesn't work very well  
in that I have to manually calculate the page breaks and move the  
environment to an appropriate place in the text.  This is similar to  
how I would need to work with Word and is very frustrating.


Are you aware of a method to position long tables so that they  
combine the best featrues of the float environment (e.g. semi- 
automatic displacement so that they don't disrupt the flow of the  
text) and the long-table environment (so that you can have page  
breaks at appropriate places)?


For me, getting the sort of sub-labeling described by Liviu is not  
something I am concerned about.  In fact, I would prefer to maintain  
the standard labeling scheme (Table ChapNum.TableNum).


Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Helge Hafting]

Liviu Andronic wrote:

Dear all
Sorry for the cross-posting, but this is at the same time posting a
solution and requesting a feature.

I've been using table floats with subfloats and normal tables, and
they work nicely. However, when the float becomes too long for the
page---because of the length of the subtables---, it will not break.
I've tried to use longtables in the subfloats, but compilation fails.
This seems to be normal behaviour for LaTeX [1].


A float supposed to never break - that is the point of having
floats in the first place. A float may float to the next page
precisely to avoid breaking. This because images/tables cannot
be broken in a useful way. (Especially images.) A float is supposed
to be a single unbreakable block, no
matter what you actually put into it.

Non-breaking is not the main effect of a float, an
image or table won't break if you put it directly in the
text without a float. But then you get bad page breaking
with large white gaps. A float "floats" so that these
white gaps is avoided.

The longtable is what you use when you want a table to
break across pages. You don't put it in a float, you just put the
longtable directly in the text. It will break when necessary, and 
optionally repeat header rows after the break so the continued

table will be easier to read.


So:

When you want a one-piece table, use a table inside a float.

When you want a table that can break across pages, use a longtable
without the float.

And if you want several tables so that the page can break
between them, put each table into a float of its own.

If you want two tables together without a page break between them,
put them in the same float.

With these rules, no ERT is necessary. (I.e. LyX is fine as-is.)
Are you trying to do something unusual?

I guess your ERT is there to get the captions you want? It seems
risky putting floats in between tables, because the floats
might float somewhere else and that would look wrong.



Helge Hafting

RE: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Helge,

You make good  points, but there is a third use case that I am currently 
struggling with (and which Liviu's solution appears to address, at least in 
part).  What do you do with long tables that you don't want to disrupt the flow 
of the text?

Let me give you an example.  I am currently working on a book about writing 
with open source tools.  One of the chapters in this book is an overview of the 
different LaTeX classes and their options.  For some of the classes (like 
Memoir and Beamer), there are many different options that control the 
appearance of headers, footers and chapter headings.  In trying to describe the 
options, I've found that the most space efficient way is to create a 
long-table.  Some of these tables can stretch over two, or sometimes even three 
pages.

However, I want them to work like floats, in that the table will be started at 
the top of a new page without disrupting the flow of the other text.  The 
current long-table approach doesn't work very well in that I have to manually 
calculate the page breaks and move the environment to an appropriate place in 
the text.  This is similar to how I would need to work with Word and is very 
frustrating.

Are you aware of a method to position long tables so that they combine the best 
featrues of the float environment (e.g. semi-automatic displacement so that 
they don't disrupt the flow of the text) and the long-table environment (so 
that you can have page breaks at appropriate places)?

For me, getting the sort of sub-labeling described by Liviu is not something I 
am concerned about.  In fact, I would prefer to maintain the standard labeling 
scheme (Table ChapNum.TableNum).

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

Hello

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Helge Hafting  wrote:
> So:
>
> When you want a one-piece table, use a table inside a float.
>
> When you want a table that can break across pages, use a longtable
> without the float.
>
> And if you want several tables so that the page can break
> between them, put each table into a float of its own.
>
> If you want two tables together without a page break between them,
> put them in the same float.
>
> With these rules, no ERT is necessary. (I.e. LyX is fine as-is.)
> Are you trying to do something unusual?
>
Yes, it seems so. These days I had to deal with tables that stretched
easily over two pages, prompting the use of "longtable". However,
there were too many of them, hence the need for grouping. The standard
approaches that you described no longer applied.


> I guess your ERT is there to get the captions you want? It seems
>
Yes.

> risky putting floats in between tables,
>
I don't think I'm doing this.

> because the floats
> might float somewhere else and that would look wrong.
>
The "longtable" construct is using [H] ("Here definitely" placement)
for the "caption float", while "longtable"  is used for the rest of
the (sub-)tables.  And all these are wrapped in
\begin{subtables}
[..]
\end{subtables}

This allows for grouping several long-tables under one caption,
something not immediately obvious in LaTeX (or LyX). Perhaps this is
not a frequent case, but it might arise from time to time.

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

Hello Rob

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Rob Oakes  wrote:
> Are you aware of a method to position long tables so that they combine the 
> best featrues of the float environment (e.g. semi-automatic displacement so 
> that they don't disrupt the flow of the text) and the long-table environment 
> (so that you can have page breaks at appropriate places)?
>
I am not sure if this is of help, but there is a patched version of
longtable [1]. Perhaps it implements what you need.
Liviu

[1] http://www.digitas.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/wiki/ken/LongTable

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Daniel Lohmann]

Hi Rob,

a clean solution might be possible using the afterpage package.  
Basically it provides the \afterpage{} command, which  
causes the expansion of  to be postponed until LaTeX has  
shipped out the current page. If you insert your long table this way,  
it should (theoretically) appear on the beginning of the next page  
without interrupting the flow of text on the current page.



Daniel


On 14.01.2010, at 16:20, Rob Oakes wrote:


Hi Helge,

You make good  points, but there is a third use case that I am  
currently struggling with (and which Liviu's solution appears to  
address, at least in part).  What do you do with long tables that  
you don't want to disrupt the flow of the text?


Let me give you an example.  I am currently working on a book about  
writing with open source tools.  One of the chapters in this book is  
an overview of the different LaTeX classes and their options.  For  
some of the classes (like Memoir and Beamer), there are many  
different options that control the appearance of headers, footers  
and chapter headings.  In trying to describe the options, I've found  
that the most space efficient way is to create a long-table.  Some  
of these tables can stretch over two, or sometimes even three pages.


However, I want them to work like floats, in that the table will be  
started at the top of a new page without disrupting the flow of the  
other text.  The current long-table approach doesn't work very well  
in that I have to manually calculate the page breaks and move the  
environment to an appropriate place in the text.  This is similar to  
how I would need to work with Word and is very frustrating.


Are you aware of a method to position long tables so that they  
combine the best featrues of the float environment (e.g. semi- 
automatic displacement so that they don't disrupt the flow of the  
text) and the long-table environment (so that you can have page  
breaks at appropriate places)?


For me, getting the sort of sub-labeling described by Liviu is not  
something I am concerned about.  In fact, I would prefer to maintain  
the standard labeling scheme (Table ChapNum.TableNum).


Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Manveru]

2010/1/9 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:
[...]
 I've been using table floats with subfloats and normal tables, and
 they work nicely. However, when the float becomes too long for the
 page---because of the length of the subtables---, it will not break.
 I've tried to use longtables in the subfloats, but compilation fails.
 This seems to be normal behaviour for LaTeX [1].

 Today I managed to get working in LyX table floats that break over
 multiple pages. The first solution is the equivalent of having table
 floats that can extend over as many pages as there are table subfloats
 (see the .pdf file [3]). It involves putting table floats within
[...]
 with a couple more ERT hacks that you will find in the attached .lyx
 file [4]. Although this will do the job in many cases, the solution is
 still unsatisfactory: it will not work if at least one subtable
 extends over two pages or more.

 The second solution is the equivalent of having table floats
 containing longtables (see .pdf file [5]). Similarly, it involves putting
 longtables within
[...]
 and some ERT hacks. See .lyx document [6]. Both solutions were
 inspired from this LaTeX
 [2] thread.

 As for the request, It would be nice if LyX supported these two
 constructs natively, via the GUI. Especially since at first sight this
 seems impossible to achieve in LaTeX: combine a table float and
 longtable subfloats. Should I file a bug report?

It sounds interesting to have such functionality, but if you have
LaTeX-based solution you should consider publishing it as a package,
then it could be used by LyX.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

On 1/11/10, Manveru manv...@manveru.pl wrote:
 It sounds interesting to have such functionality, but if you have
  LaTeX-based solution you should consider publishing it as a package,
  then it could be used by LyX.

The solution uses the package subfloat, an existing LaTeX package.
Liviu

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Manveru]

2010/1/11 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:
 On 1/11/10, Manveru manv...@manveru.pl wrote:
 It sounds interesting to have such functionality, but if you have
  LaTeX-based solution you should consider publishing it as a package,
  then it could be used by LyX.

 The solution uses the package subfloat, an existing LaTeX package.
 Liviu

But you are extending them... I did not look into details, but if you
are making subfloat better somehow...

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Manveru]

2010/1/9 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:
[...]
 I've been using table floats with subfloats and normal tables, and
 they work nicely. However, when the float becomes too long for the
 page---because of the length of the subtables---, it will not break.
 I've tried to use longtables in the subfloats, but compilation fails.
 This seems to be normal behaviour for LaTeX [1].

 Today I managed to get working in LyX table floats that break over
 multiple pages. The first solution is the equivalent of having table
 floats that can extend over as many pages as there are table subfloats
 (see the .pdf file [3]). It involves putting table floats within
[...]
 with a couple more ERT hacks that you will find in the attached .lyx
 file [4]. Although this will do the job in many cases, the solution is
 still unsatisfactory: it will not work if at least one subtable
 extends over two pages or more.

 The second solution is the equivalent of having table floats
 containing longtables (see .pdf file [5]). Similarly, it involves putting
 longtables within
[...]
 and some ERT hacks. See .lyx document [6]. Both solutions were
 inspired from this LaTeX
 [2] thread.

 As for the request, It would be nice if LyX supported these two
 constructs natively, via the GUI. Especially since at first sight this
 seems impossible to achieve in LaTeX: combine a table float and
 longtable subfloats. Should I file a bug report?

It sounds interesting to have such functionality, but if you have
LaTeX-based solution you should consider publishing it as a package,
then it could be used by LyX.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

On 1/11/10, Manveru manv...@manveru.pl wrote:
 It sounds interesting to have such functionality, but if you have
  LaTeX-based solution you should consider publishing it as a package,
  then it could be used by LyX.

The solution uses the package subfloat, an existing LaTeX package.
Liviu

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Manveru]

2010/1/11 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com:
 On 1/11/10, Manveru manv...@manveru.pl wrote:
 It sounds interesting to have such functionality, but if you have
  LaTeX-based solution you should consider publishing it as a package,
  then it could be used by LyX.

 The solution uses the package subfloat, an existing LaTeX package.
 Liviu

But you are extending them... I did not look into details, but if you
are making subfloat better somehow...

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Manveru]

2010/1/9 Liviu Andronic :
[...]
> I've been using table floats with subfloats and normal tables, and
> they work nicely. However, when the float becomes too long for the
> page---because of the length of the subtables---, it will not break.
> I've tried to use longtables in the subfloats, but compilation fails.
> This seems to be normal behaviour for LaTeX [1].
>
> Today I managed to get working in LyX table "floats" that break over
> multiple pages. The first solution is the equivalent of having table
> floats that can extend over as many pages as there are table subfloats
> (see the .pdf file [3]). It involves putting table floats within
[...]
> with a couple more ERT hacks that you will find in the attached .lyx
> file [4]. Although this will do the job in many cases, the solution is
> still unsatisfactory: it will not work if at least one subtable
> extends over two pages or more.
>
> The second solution is the equivalent of having table floats
> containing longtables (see .pdf file [5]). Similarly, it involves putting
> longtables within
[...]
> and some ERT hacks. See .lyx document [6]. Both solutions were
> inspired from this LaTeX
> [2] thread.
>
> As for the request, It would be nice if LyX supported these two
> constructs natively, via the GUI. Especially since at first sight this
> seems impossible to achieve in LaTeX: combine a table float and
> longtable subfloats. Should I file a bug report?

It sounds interesting to have such functionality, but if you have
LaTeX-based solution you should consider publishing it as a package,
then it could be used by LyX.

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

On 1/11/10, Manveru  wrote:
> It sounds interesting to have such functionality, but if you have
>  LaTeX-based solution you should consider publishing it as a package,
>  then it could be used by LyX.
>
The solution uses the package subfloat, an existing LaTeX package.
Liviu

Re: floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Manveru]

2010/1/11 Liviu Andronic :
> On 1/11/10, Manveru  wrote:
>> It sounds interesting to have such functionality, but if you have
>>  LaTeX-based solution you should consider publishing it as a package,
>>  then it could be used by LyX.
>>
> The solution uses the package subfloat, an existing LaTeX package.
> Liviu

But you are extending them... I did not look into details, but if you
are making subfloat better somehow...

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
 gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

(apparently first attempted failed for lyx-users, so I'm reposting)

Dear all
Sorry for the cross-posting, but this is at the same time posting a
solution and requesting a feature.

I've been using table floats with subfloats and normal tables, and
they work nicely. However, when the float becomes too long for the
page---because of the length of the subtables---, it will not break.
I've tried to use longtables in the subfloats, but compilation fails.
This seems to be normal behaviour for LaTeX [1].

Today I managed to get working in LyX table floats that break over
multiple pages. The first solution is the equivalent of having table
floats that can extend over as many pages as there are table subfloats
(see the .pdf file [3]). It involves putting table floats within
\usepackage{subfloat}
\begin{subtables}
[..]
\end{subtables}

with a couple more ERT hacks that you will find in the attached .lyx
file [4]. Although this will do the job in many cases, the solution is
still unsatisfactory: it will not work if at least one subtable
extends over two pages or more.

The second solution is the equivalent of having table floats
containing longtables (see .pdf file [5]). Similarly, it involves putting
longtables within
\usepackage{subfloat}
\begin{subtables}
[..]
\end{subtables}

and some ERT hacks. See .lyx document [6]. Both solutions were
inspired from this LaTeX
[2] thread.

As for the request, It would be nice if LyX supported these two
constructs natively, via the GUI. Especially since at first sight this
seems impossible to achieve in LaTeX: combine a table float and
longtable subfloats. Should I file a bug report?

Please let me know
Liviu

[1] http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=longtab
[2] http://www.tug.org/pipermail/texhax/2008-June/010577.html
[3] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=14139438047625482515
[4] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=39990798368762771776
[5] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=37710379096139728420
[6] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=02514420116119327209



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floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

(apparently first attempted failed for lyx-users, so I'm reposting)

Dear all
Sorry for the cross-posting, but this is at the same time posting a
solution and requesting a feature.

I've been using table floats with subfloats and normal tables, and
they work nicely. However, when the float becomes too long for the
page---because of the length of the subtables---, it will not break.
I've tried to use longtables in the subfloats, but compilation fails.
This seems to be normal behaviour for LaTeX [1].

Today I managed to get working in LyX table floats that break over
multiple pages. The first solution is the equivalent of having table
floats that can extend over as many pages as there are table subfloats
(see the .pdf file [3]). It involves putting table floats within
\usepackage{subfloat}
\begin{subtables}
[..]
\end{subtables}

with a couple more ERT hacks that you will find in the attached .lyx
file [4]. Although this will do the job in many cases, the solution is
still unsatisfactory: it will not work if at least one subtable
extends over two pages or more.

The second solution is the equivalent of having table floats
containing longtables (see .pdf file [5]). Similarly, it involves putting
longtables within
\usepackage{subfloat}
\begin{subtables}
[..]
\end{subtables}

and some ERT hacks. See .lyx document [6]. Both solutions were
inspired from this LaTeX
[2] thread.

As for the request, It would be nice if LyX supported these two
constructs natively, via the GUI. Especially since at first sight this
seems impossible to achieve in LaTeX: combine a table float and
longtable subfloats. Should I file a bug report?

Please let me know
Liviu

[1] http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=longtab
[2] http://www.tug.org/pipermail/texhax/2008-June/010577.html
[3] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=14139438047625482515
[4] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=39990798368762771776
[5] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=37710379096139728420
[6] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=02514420116119327209



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floats and subfloats with longtables SOLVED

[Liviu Andronic]

(apparently first attempted failed for lyx-users, so I'm reposting)

Dear all
Sorry for the cross-posting, but this is at the same time posting a
solution and requesting a feature.

I've been using table floats with subfloats and normal tables, and
they work nicely. However, when the float becomes too long for the
page---because of the length of the subtables---, it will not break.
I've tried to use longtables in the subfloats, but compilation fails.
This seems to be normal behaviour for LaTeX [1].

Today I managed to get working in LyX table "floats" that break over
multiple pages. The first solution is the equivalent of having table
floats that can extend over as many pages as there are table subfloats
(see the .pdf file [3]). It involves putting table floats within
\usepackage{subfloat}
\begin{subtables}
[..]
\end{subtables}

with a couple more ERT hacks that you will find in the attached .lyx
file [4]. Although this will do the job in many cases, the solution is
still unsatisfactory: it will not work if at least one subtable
extends over two pages or more.

The second solution is the equivalent of having table floats
containing longtables (see .pdf file [5]). Similarly, it involves putting
longtables within
\usepackage{subfloat}
\begin{subtables}
[..]
\end{subtables}

and some ERT hacks. See .lyx document [6]. Both solutions were
inspired from this LaTeX
[2] thread.

As for the request, It would be nice if LyX supported these two
constructs natively, via the GUI. Especially since at first sight this
seems impossible to achieve in LaTeX: combine a table float and
longtable subfloats. Should I file a bug report?

Please let me know
Liviu

[1] http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=longtab
[2] http://www.tug.org/pipermail/texhax/2008-June/010577.html
[3] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=14139438047625482515
[4] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=39990798368762771776
[5] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=37710379096139728420
[6] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=02514420116119327209



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