Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols? + CJK and TIPA similarities?

2007-04-25 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 I just realized that this could work if you were to manually put the
 \dn around all unicode text. This vaguely rings a bell about how
 someone solved the CJK problem, but I can't seem to find the mail
 right now...something like that CJK was solved by manually putting the
 \being{CJK} command in front of everything?

You mean probably this: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3043

 I don't remember how this 
 was resolved but if the developers added something to account for
 certain blocks of unicode text (CJK, Devanagari, etc) or even a manual
 switch to turn on marking of the text as CJK/Devang/etc  we could
 probably solve this problem. I would be happy to write out a file for
 the Devanag package when I have time.

Please enter this to bugzilla if you don't want it to be forgotten.

 Also did you ever post your IPA file on linguistlyx? I can take a look
 at that and see if I can add any symbols..although honestly I hardly
 ever have use for most of those really bizarre ones in there (though
 strangely enough I needed a symbol in there once that I couldn't find!
 And no, it wasn't the labiodental flap.)

I added a section about this file now.


Georg



Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols? + CJK and TIPA similarities?

2007-04-25 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 I just realized that this could work if you were to manually put the
 \dn around all unicode text. This vaguely rings a bell about how
 someone solved the CJK problem, but I can't seem to find the mail
 right now...something like that CJK was solved by manually putting the
 \being{CJK} command in front of everything?

You mean probably this: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3043

 I don't remember how this 
 was resolved but if the developers added something to account for
 certain blocks of unicode text (CJK, Devanagari, etc) or even a manual
 switch to turn on marking of the text as CJK/Devang/etc  we could
 probably solve this problem. I would be happy to write out a file for
 the Devanag package when I have time.

Please enter this to bugzilla if you don't want it to be forgotten.

 Also did you ever post your IPA file on linguistlyx? I can take a look
 at that and see if I can add any symbols..although honestly I hardly
 ever have use for most of those really bizarre ones in there (though
 strangely enough I needed a symbol in there once that I couldn't find!
 And no, it wasn't the labiodental flap.)

I added a section about this file now.


Georg



Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols? + CJK and TIPA similarities?

2007-04-25 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

> I just realized that this could work if you were to manually put the
> \dn around all unicode text. This vaguely rings a bell about how
> someone solved the CJK problem, but I can't seem to find the mail
> right now...something like that CJK was solved by manually putting the
> \being{CJK} command in front of everything?

You mean probably this: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3043

> I don't remember how this 
> was resolved but if the developers added something to account for
> certain blocks of unicode text (CJK, Devanagari, etc) or even a manual
> switch to "turn on" marking of the text as CJK/Devang/etc  we could
> probably solve this problem. I would be happy to write out a file for
> the Devanag package when I have time.

Please enter this to bugzilla if you don't want it to be forgotten.

> Also did you ever post your IPA file on linguistlyx? I can take a look
> at that and see if I can add any symbols..although honestly I hardly
> ever have use for most of those really bizarre ones in there (though
> strangely enough I needed a symbol in there once that I couldn't find!
> And no, it wasn't the labiodental flap.)

I added a section about this file now.


Georg



Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-24 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 So the combining character feature wouldn't help with Devanagari?

Yes, I don't think so, since you wrote that several characters need to be
put into the {\dn ...} command.


Georg



Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols? + CJK and TIPA similarities?

2007-04-24 Thread Stacia Hartleben

I just realized that this could work if you were to manually put the
\dn around all unicode text. This vaguely rings a bell about how
someone solved the CJK problem, but I can't seem to find the mail
right now...something like that CJK was solved by manually putting the
\being{CJK} command in front of everything? I don't remember how this
was resolved but if the developers added something to account for
certain blocks of unicode text (CJK, Devanagari, etc) or even a manual
switch to turn on marking of the text as CJK/Devang/etc  we could
probably solve this problem. I would be happy to write out a file for
the Devanag package when I have time.

Also did you ever post your IPA file on linguistlyx? I can take a look
at that and see if I can add any symbols..although honestly I hardly
ever have use for most of those really bizarre ones in there (though
strangely enough I needed a symbol in there once that I couldn't find!
And no, it wasn't the labiodental flap.)

On 4/24/07, Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 So the combining character feature wouldn't help with Devanagari?

Yes, I don't think so, since you wrote that several characters need to be
put into the {\dn ...} command.


Georg




Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-24 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 So the combining character feature wouldn't help with Devanagari?

Yes, I don't think so, since you wrote that several characters need to be
put into the {\dn ...} command.


Georg



Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols? + CJK and TIPA similarities?

2007-04-24 Thread Stacia Hartleben

I just realized that this could work if you were to manually put the
\dn around all unicode text. This vaguely rings a bell about how
someone solved the CJK problem, but I can't seem to find the mail
right now...something like that CJK was solved by manually putting the
\being{CJK} command in front of everything? I don't remember how this
was resolved but if the developers added something to account for
certain blocks of unicode text (CJK, Devanagari, etc) or even a manual
switch to turn on marking of the text as CJK/Devang/etc  we could
probably solve this problem. I would be happy to write out a file for
the Devanag package when I have time.

Also did you ever post your IPA file on linguistlyx? I can take a look
at that and see if I can add any symbols..although honestly I hardly
ever have use for most of those really bizarre ones in there (though
strangely enough I needed a symbol in there once that I couldn't find!
And no, it wasn't the labiodental flap.)

On 4/24/07, Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 So the combining character feature wouldn't help with Devanagari?

Yes, I don't think so, since you wrote that several characters need to be
put into the {\dn ...} command.


Georg




Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-24 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

> So the combining character feature wouldn't help with Devanagari?

Yes, I don't think so, since you wrote that several characters need to be
put into the {\dn ...} command.


Georg



Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols? + CJK and TIPA similarities?

2007-04-24 Thread Stacia Hartleben

I just realized that this could work if you were to manually put the
\dn around all unicode text. This vaguely rings a bell about how
someone solved the CJK problem, but I can't seem to find the mail
right now...something like that CJK was solved by manually putting the
\being{CJK} command in front of everything? I don't remember how this
was resolved but if the developers added something to account for
certain blocks of unicode text (CJK, Devanagari, etc) or even a manual
switch to "turn on" marking of the text as CJK/Devang/etc  we could
probably solve this problem. I would be happy to write out a file for
the Devanag package when I have time.

Also did you ever post your IPA file on linguistlyx? I can take a look
at that and see if I can add any symbols..although honestly I hardly
ever have use for most of those really bizarre ones in there (though
strangely enough I needed a symbol in there once that I couldn't find!
And no, it wasn't the labiodental flap.)

On 4/24/07, Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Stacia Hartleben wrote:

> So the combining character feature wouldn't help with Devanagari?

Yes, I don't think so, since you wrote that several characters need to be
put into the {\dn ...} command.


Georg




Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 I was looking at a previous mail that said you could edit a file to
 put in Tipa codes...this got me thinking that perhaps I could do the
 same for the Devanagari package.
 
 However IPA and Devanagari are reallly different. A big problem
 especially is the i vowel which appears *before* the characters but
 in unicode is actually encoded afterwards. Using the devanagari
 package, in shorthand ki would be {\dn Ek}. Uh oh. Also, one of the
 vowels (u) is encoded like this for ku - {\dn \7{k}} Not sure how
 this would work, or if any of it would work because the vowel and the
 consonant have to go together to create a proper symbol - for example,
 {\dn E} {\dn k} creates a space between the two characters that
 shouldn't be there!
 
 I'd be willing to update the unicode file if someone gave me tips on
 how to make the Devanagari package work - website is here:
 http://sarovar.org/projects/devnag/

The unicode file can only handle simple replacements: There needs to be a
1:1 relationship between the UCS4 code point and the LaTeX command. It does
also work for characters that are marked as combining in unicode (e.g.
0x0303 COMBINING TILDE), they can be combined with any base character.
Everything that is more complicated does not work.

 If we could get this working, it would be really neat, since it would
 effectively get around the need for the preprocessor. My Sanskrit
 teacher told me that I make a lot of mistakes in my assignments when I
 use LaTeX no doubt due to the preprocessor making it difficult to
 catch my mistakes.

From what you describe it looks like the unicode file will not work for
Devanagari. More sophisticated support in the LyX sources is probably
needed.


Georg




Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Stacia Hartleben

Doesn't this also mean that it will not work for TIPA? A previous mail
seemed promising but actually not all of TIPA is a one-to-one -
Unicode encodes diacritics after the character, wheras in TIPA they're
made similar to the Sanskrit (for example, \'e makes an accented e
or \c{c} makes a Cedilla). I'd be willing to take a shot at TIPA as
well once I have time but this little problem makes things
difficult...It may be that LyX will have to code in new support, I
don't know...

On 4/23/07, Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 I was looking at a previous mail that said you could edit a file to
 put in Tipa codes...this got me thinking that perhaps I could do the
 same for the Devanagari package.

 However IPA and Devanagari are reallly different. A big problem
 especially is the i vowel which appears *before* the characters but
 in unicode is actually encoded afterwards. Using the devanagari
 package, in shorthand ki would be {\dn Ek}. Uh oh. Also, one of the
 vowels (u) is encoded like this for ku - {\dn \7{k}} Not sure how
 this would work, or if any of it would work because the vowel and the
 consonant have to go together to create a proper symbol - for example,
 {\dn E} {\dn k} creates a space between the two characters that
 shouldn't be there!

 I'd be willing to update the unicode file if someone gave me tips on
 how to make the Devanagari package work - website is here:
 http://sarovar.org/projects/devnag/

The unicode file can only handle simple replacements: There needs to be a
1:1 relationship between the UCS4 code point and the LaTeX command. It does
also work for characters that are marked as combining in unicode (e.g.
0x0303 COMBINING TILDE), they can be combined with any base character.
Everything that is more complicated does not work.

 If we could get this working, it would be really neat, since it would
 effectively get around the need for the preprocessor. My Sanskrit
 teacher told me that I make a lot of mistakes in my assignments when I
 use LaTeX no doubt due to the preprocessor making it difficult to
 catch my mistakes.

From what you describe it looks like the unicode file will not work for
Devanagari. More sophisticated support in the LyX sources is probably
needed.


Georg





Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 Doesn't this also mean that it will not work for TIPA? A previous mail
 seemed promising but actually not all of TIPA is a one-to-one -
 Unicode encodes diacritics after the character, wheras in TIPA they're
 made similar to the Sanskrit (for example, \'e makes an accented e
 or \c{c} makes a Cedilla).

The diacritics work, since they are marked as combining characters in the
unicode file. LyX takes care of the proper order when it encounters
combining characters.

 I'd be willing to take a shot at TIPA as 
 well once I have time but this little problem makes things
 difficult...It may be that LyX will have to code in new support, I
 don't know...

AFAIK not for TIPA. I already added some TIPA symbols (including the ones
you mentioned), but not all. As an example, the entry for cedilla looks
like this:

0x0327 \\c   combining # COMBINING CEDILLA


Georg



Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Stacia Hartleben

So the combining character feature wouldn't help with Devanagari?

On 4/23/07, Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 Doesn't this also mean that it will not work for TIPA? A previous mail
 seemed promising but actually not all of TIPA is a one-to-one -
 Unicode encodes diacritics after the character, wheras in TIPA they're
 made similar to the Sanskrit (for example, \'e makes an accented e
 or \c{c} makes a Cedilla).

The diacritics work, since they are marked as combining characters in the
unicode file. LyX takes care of the proper order when it encounters
combining characters.

 I'd be willing to take a shot at TIPA as
 well once I have time but this little problem makes things
 difficult...It may be that LyX will have to code in new support, I
 don't know...

AFAIK not for TIPA. I already added some TIPA symbols (including the ones
you mentioned), but not all. As an example, the entry for cedilla looks
like this:

0x0327 \\c   combining # COMBINING CEDILLA


Georg




Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 I was looking at a previous mail that said you could edit a file to
 put in Tipa codes...this got me thinking that perhaps I could do the
 same for the Devanagari package.
 
 However IPA and Devanagari are reallly different. A big problem
 especially is the i vowel which appears *before* the characters but
 in unicode is actually encoded afterwards. Using the devanagari
 package, in shorthand ki would be {\dn Ek}. Uh oh. Also, one of the
 vowels (u) is encoded like this for ku - {\dn \7{k}} Not sure how
 this would work, or if any of it would work because the vowel and the
 consonant have to go together to create a proper symbol - for example,
 {\dn E} {\dn k} creates a space between the two characters that
 shouldn't be there!
 
 I'd be willing to update the unicode file if someone gave me tips on
 how to make the Devanagari package work - website is here:
 http://sarovar.org/projects/devnag/

The unicode file can only handle simple replacements: There needs to be a
1:1 relationship between the UCS4 code point and the LaTeX command. It does
also work for characters that are marked as combining in unicode (e.g.
0x0303 COMBINING TILDE), they can be combined with any base character.
Everything that is more complicated does not work.

 If we could get this working, it would be really neat, since it would
 effectively get around the need for the preprocessor. My Sanskrit
 teacher told me that I make a lot of mistakes in my assignments when I
 use LaTeX no doubt due to the preprocessor making it difficult to
 catch my mistakes.

From what you describe it looks like the unicode file will not work for
Devanagari. More sophisticated support in the LyX sources is probably
needed.


Georg




Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Stacia Hartleben

Doesn't this also mean that it will not work for TIPA? A previous mail
seemed promising but actually not all of TIPA is a one-to-one -
Unicode encodes diacritics after the character, wheras in TIPA they're
made similar to the Sanskrit (for example, \'e makes an accented e
or \c{c} makes a Cedilla). I'd be willing to take a shot at TIPA as
well once I have time but this little problem makes things
difficult...It may be that LyX will have to code in new support, I
don't know...

On 4/23/07, Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 I was looking at a previous mail that said you could edit a file to
 put in Tipa codes...this got me thinking that perhaps I could do the
 same for the Devanagari package.

 However IPA and Devanagari are reallly different. A big problem
 especially is the i vowel which appears *before* the characters but
 in unicode is actually encoded afterwards. Using the devanagari
 package, in shorthand ki would be {\dn Ek}. Uh oh. Also, one of the
 vowels (u) is encoded like this for ku - {\dn \7{k}} Not sure how
 this would work, or if any of it would work because the vowel and the
 consonant have to go together to create a proper symbol - for example,
 {\dn E} {\dn k} creates a space between the two characters that
 shouldn't be there!

 I'd be willing to update the unicode file if someone gave me tips on
 how to make the Devanagari package work - website is here:
 http://sarovar.org/projects/devnag/

The unicode file can only handle simple replacements: There needs to be a
1:1 relationship between the UCS4 code point and the LaTeX command. It does
also work for characters that are marked as combining in unicode (e.g.
0x0303 COMBINING TILDE), they can be combined with any base character.
Everything that is more complicated does not work.

 If we could get this working, it would be really neat, since it would
 effectively get around the need for the preprocessor. My Sanskrit
 teacher told me that I make a lot of mistakes in my assignments when I
 use LaTeX no doubt due to the preprocessor making it difficult to
 catch my mistakes.

From what you describe it looks like the unicode file will not work for
Devanagari. More sophisticated support in the LyX sources is probably
needed.


Georg





Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 Doesn't this also mean that it will not work for TIPA? A previous mail
 seemed promising but actually not all of TIPA is a one-to-one -
 Unicode encodes diacritics after the character, wheras in TIPA they're
 made similar to the Sanskrit (for example, \'e makes an accented e
 or \c{c} makes a Cedilla).

The diacritics work, since they are marked as combining characters in the
unicode file. LyX takes care of the proper order when it encounters
combining characters.

 I'd be willing to take a shot at TIPA as 
 well once I have time but this little problem makes things
 difficult...It may be that LyX will have to code in new support, I
 don't know...

AFAIK not for TIPA. I already added some TIPA symbols (including the ones
you mentioned), but not all. As an example, the entry for cedilla looks
like this:

0x0327 \\c   combining # COMBINING CEDILLA


Georg



Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Stacia Hartleben

So the combining character feature wouldn't help with Devanagari?

On 4/23/07, Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Stacia Hartleben wrote:

 Doesn't this also mean that it will not work for TIPA? A previous mail
 seemed promising but actually not all of TIPA is a one-to-one -
 Unicode encodes diacritics after the character, wheras in TIPA they're
 made similar to the Sanskrit (for example, \'e makes an accented e
 or \c{c} makes a Cedilla).

The diacritics work, since they are marked as combining characters in the
unicode file. LyX takes care of the proper order when it encounters
combining characters.

 I'd be willing to take a shot at TIPA as
 well once I have time but this little problem makes things
 difficult...It may be that LyX will have to code in new support, I
 don't know...

AFAIK not for TIPA. I already added some TIPA symbols (including the ones
you mentioned), but not all. As an example, the entry for cedilla looks
like this:

0x0327 \\c   combining # COMBINING CEDILLA


Georg




Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

> I was looking at a previous mail that said you could edit a file to
> put in Tipa codes...this got me thinking that perhaps I could do the
> same for the Devanagari package.
> 
> However IPA and Devanagari are reallly different. A big problem
> especially is the "i" vowel which appears *before* the characters but
> in unicode is actually encoded afterwards. Using the devanagari
> package, in shorthand "ki" would be {\dn Ek}. Uh oh. Also, one of the
> vowels ("u") is encoded like this for "ku" - {\dn \7{k}} Not sure how
> this would work, or if any of it would work because the vowel and the
> consonant have to go together to create a proper symbol - for example,
> {\dn E} {\dn k} creates a space between the two characters that
> shouldn't be there!
> 
> I'd be willing to update the unicode file if someone gave me tips on
> how to make the Devanagari package work - website is here:
> http://sarovar.org/projects/devnag/

The unicode file can only handle simple replacements: There needs to be a
1:1 relationship between the UCS4 code point and the LaTeX command. It does
also work for characters that are marked as "combining" in unicode (e.g.
0x0303 COMBINING TILDE), they can be combined with any base character.
Everything that is more complicated does not work.

> If we could get this working, it would be really neat, since it would
> effectively get around the need for the preprocessor. My Sanskrit
> teacher told me that I make a lot of mistakes in my assignments when I
> use LaTeX no doubt due to the preprocessor making it difficult to
> catch my mistakes.

>From what you describe it looks like the unicode file will not work for
Devanagari. More sophisticated support in the LyX sources is probably
needed.


Georg




Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Stacia Hartleben

Doesn't this also mean that it will not work for TIPA? A previous mail
seemed promising but actually not all of TIPA is a one-to-one -
Unicode encodes diacritics after the character, wheras in TIPA they're
made similar to the Sanskrit (for example, \'e makes an accented "e"
or \c{c} makes a Cedilla). I'd be willing to take a shot at TIPA as
well once I have time but this little problem makes things
difficult...It may be that LyX will have to code in new support, I
don't know...

On 4/23/07, Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Stacia Hartleben wrote:

> I was looking at a previous mail that said you could edit a file to
> put in Tipa codes...this got me thinking that perhaps I could do the
> same for the Devanagari package.
>
> However IPA and Devanagari are reallly different. A big problem
> especially is the "i" vowel which appears *before* the characters but
> in unicode is actually encoded afterwards. Using the devanagari
> package, in shorthand "ki" would be {\dn Ek}. Uh oh. Also, one of the
> vowels ("u") is encoded like this for "ku" - {\dn \7{k}} Not sure how
> this would work, or if any of it would work because the vowel and the
> consonant have to go together to create a proper symbol - for example,
> {\dn E} {\dn k} creates a space between the two characters that
> shouldn't be there!
>
> I'd be willing to update the unicode file if someone gave me tips on
> how to make the Devanagari package work - website is here:
> http://sarovar.org/projects/devnag/

The unicode file can only handle simple replacements: There needs to be a
1:1 relationship between the UCS4 code point and the LaTeX command. It does
also work for characters that are marked as "combining" in unicode (e.g.
0x0303 COMBINING TILDE), they can be combined with any base character.
Everything that is more complicated does not work.

> If we could get this working, it would be really neat, since it would
> effectively get around the need for the preprocessor. My Sanskrit
> teacher told me that I make a lot of mistakes in my assignments when I
> use LaTeX no doubt due to the preprocessor making it difficult to
> catch my mistakes.

From what you describe it looks like the unicode file will not work for
Devanagari. More sophisticated support in the LyX sources is probably
needed.


Georg





Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Georg Baum
Stacia Hartleben wrote:

> Doesn't this also mean that it will not work for TIPA? A previous mail
> seemed promising but actually not all of TIPA is a one-to-one -
> Unicode encodes diacritics after the character, wheras in TIPA they're
> made similar to the Sanskrit (for example, \'e makes an accented "e"
> or \c{c} makes a Cedilla).

The diacritics work, since they are marked as combining characters in the
unicode file. LyX takes care of the proper order when it encounters
combining characters.

> I'd be willing to take a shot at TIPA as 
> well once I have time but this little problem makes things
> difficult...It may be that LyX will have to code in new support, I
> don't know...

AFAIK not for TIPA. I already added some TIPA symbols (including the ones
you mentioned), but not all. As an example, the entry for cedilla looks
like this:

0x0327 "\\c"  "" "combining" # COMBINING CEDILLA


Georg



Re: help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-23 Thread Stacia Hartleben

So the combining character feature wouldn't help with Devanagari?

On 4/23/07, Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Stacia Hartleben wrote:

> Doesn't this also mean that it will not work for TIPA? A previous mail
> seemed promising but actually not all of TIPA is a one-to-one -
> Unicode encodes diacritics after the character, wheras in TIPA they're
> made similar to the Sanskrit (for example, \'e makes an accented "e"
> or \c{c} makes a Cedilla).

The diacritics work, since they are marked as combining characters in the
unicode file. LyX takes care of the proper order when it encounters
combining characters.

> I'd be willing to take a shot at TIPA as
> well once I have time but this little problem makes things
> difficult...It may be that LyX will have to code in new support, I
> don't know...

AFAIK not for TIPA. I already added some TIPA symbols (including the ones
you mentioned), but not all. As an example, the entry for cedilla looks
like this:

0x0327 "\\c"  "" "combining" # COMBINING CEDILLA


Georg




help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-21 Thread Stacia Hartleben

I was looking at a previous mail that said you could edit a file to
put in Tipa codes...this got me thinking that perhaps I could do the
same for the Devanagari package.

However IPA and Devanagari are reallly different. A big problem
especially is the i vowel which appears *before* the characters but
in unicode is actually encoded afterwards. Using the devanagari
package, in shorthand ki would be {\dn Ek}. Uh oh. Also, one of the
vowels (u) is encoded like this for ku - {\dn \7{k}} Not sure how
this would work, or if any of it would work because the vowel and the
consonant have to go together to create a proper symbol - for example,
{\dn E} {\dn k} creates a space between the two characters that
shouldn't be there!

I'd be willing to update the unicode file if someone gave me tips on
how to make the Devanagari package work - website is here:
http://sarovar.org/projects/devnag/

If we could get this working, it would be really neat, since it would
effectively get around the need for the preprocessor. My Sanskrit
teacher told me that I make a lot of mistakes in my assignments when I
use LaTeX no doubt due to the preprocessor making it difficult to
catch my mistakes.


help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-21 Thread Stacia Hartleben

I was looking at a previous mail that said you could edit a file to
put in Tipa codes...this got me thinking that perhaps I could do the
same for the Devanagari package.

However IPA and Devanagari are reallly different. A big problem
especially is the i vowel which appears *before* the characters but
in unicode is actually encoded afterwards. Using the devanagari
package, in shorthand ki would be {\dn Ek}. Uh oh. Also, one of the
vowels (u) is encoded like this for ku - {\dn \7{k}} Not sure how
this would work, or if any of it would work because the vowel and the
consonant have to go together to create a proper symbol - for example,
{\dn E} {\dn k} creates a space between the two characters that
shouldn't be there!

I'd be willing to update the unicode file if someone gave me tips on
how to make the Devanagari package work - website is here:
http://sarovar.org/projects/devnag/

If we could get this working, it would be really neat, since it would
effectively get around the need for the preprocessor. My Sanskrit
teacher told me that I make a lot of mistakes in my assignments when I
use LaTeX no doubt due to the preprocessor making it difficult to
catch my mistakes.


help adding Devanagari unicode symbols?

2007-04-21 Thread Stacia Hartleben

I was looking at a previous mail that said you could edit a file to
put in Tipa codes...this got me thinking that perhaps I could do the
same for the Devanagari package.

However IPA and Devanagari are reallly different. A big problem
especially is the "i" vowel which appears *before* the characters but
in unicode is actually encoded afterwards. Using the devanagari
package, in shorthand "ki" would be {\dn Ek}. Uh oh. Also, one of the
vowels ("u") is encoded like this for "ku" - {\dn \7{k}} Not sure how
this would work, or if any of it would work because the vowel and the
consonant have to go together to create a proper symbol - for example,
{\dn E} {\dn k} creates a space between the two characters that
shouldn't be there!

I'd be willing to update the unicode file if someone gave me tips on
how to make the Devanagari package work - website is here:
http://sarovar.org/projects/devnag/

If we could get this working, it would be really neat, since it would
effectively get around the need for the preprocessor. My Sanskrit
teacher told me that I make a lot of mistakes in my assignments when I
use LaTeX no doubt due to the preprocessor making it difficult to
catch my mistakes.