Re: Fwd: no accents with dead keys (SOLVED)
Hi Jose The soft name is ibus-qt and it is already installed. The response to dnf was Package ibus-qt-1.3.3-24.fc32.x86_64 is already installed Regards and happy christmas Jorge On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 9:40 AM José Abílio Matos wrote: > On Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:09:39 PM WET you wrote: > > > I also look the bug report in qt5 but it closed in 2013 and since then I > > > used lyx in several fedora versions with no problems up to this moment. > > > > > > This is well beyond any knowledge I might have, so I'll wait for your > > > instructions > > > > > > Jorge > > Hi Jorge, > > do you have qt-ibus installed? If not could you install it, please? > > The rationale for this comes from this bug report from > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=725125 > > I am not sure if this will work though. :-( > > -- > > José Abílio > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Fwd: no accents with dead keys (SOLVED)
I'll answer the questions Jose put forward. I have 2 PC both with Fedora 32 installed (english USA), the same software and using mate as a desktop. The only difference is the keyboard, one has spanish keyboard (installed as spanish with dead keys) and the other has an english keyboard (with international english, USA, with dead keys) and in both the lyx behaviour is the same, with qt5 the dead keys are dead and with qt4 they work; are there other options to add?. The lyx version is 2.3.5.2 Regards Jorge On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 5:20 PM José Abílio Matos wrote: > On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:11:18 PM WET jorge hernando wrote: > > > Hi Jose > > > > > > I searched old e-mails and I believe I can confirm it's a bug in qt5 > that > > > ts triggered by un unknown mechanism. The previous fedora version I had > > > (the 29) had lyx 2.3.3 and qt5.11 and it worked perfectly. When I > installed > > > fedora 32 the deadkeys were effectively dead. However, with featherpad (a > > > qt application) I had the same problem while with nedit (non a qt appl.) > > > had all the dead keys in order. I also think that not all the > installations > > > have the same problem because if it all had it, there probably were a > > > massive outcry: almost every language, except english, has accents. > > > > > > Lastly, I have not the foggiest notion of what Input Methods are; please > > > tell me if there is something I can do. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jorge > > Sorry for bringing this so late. > > What I meant are "keyboard input methods", they are used for languages > like Chinese or Japanese where the keyboard does not hold all the > characters. > > I am asking if it is a question of configuration. > > In my case I use kde, calling System Settings->Hardware->Input > devices->Keyboard. > > There I can choose several items, like the keyboard type, variant (with > and without dead keys) and other more advance options. > > As I have told I remember to had problems like that but it was a long time > ago. > > Best regards, > > -- > > José Abílio > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Fwd: no accents with dead keys (SOLVED)
On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 4:11:18 PM WET jorge hernando wrote: > Hi Jose > > I searched old e-mails and I believe I can confirm it's a bug in qt5 that > ts triggered by un unknown mechanism. The previous fedora version I had > (the 29) had lyx 2.3.3 and qt5.11 and it worked perfectly. When I installed > fedora 32 the deadkeys were effectively dead. However, with featherpad (a > qt application) I had the same problem while with nedit (non a qt appl.) > had all the dead keys in order. I also think that not all the installations > have the same problem because if it all had it, there probably were a > massive outcry: almost every language, except english, has accents. > > Lastly, I have not the foggiest notion of what Input Methods are; please > tell me if there is something I can do. > > Regards > > Jorge Sorry for bringing this so late. What I meant are "keyboard input methods", they are used for languages like Chinese or Japanese where the keyboard does not hold all the characters. I am asking if it is a question of configuration. In my case I use kde, calling System Settings->Hardware->Input devices- >Keyboard. There I can choose several items, like the keyboard type, variant (with and without dead keys) and other more advance options. As I have told I remember to had problems like that but it was a long time ago. Best regards, -- José Abílio-- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
no accents with dead keys (SOLVED)
A few more pieces on the puzzle of the dead keys 1) Does not depend on the linux distribution, Flavio de Melo in his mail wrote that he has Ubuntu 18.04 and I have Fedora 32 2) Does not depend on the desktop; in my PC i use mate but I can also use gnome. With both desktops there is no dead keys at all. 3) This is intriguing. Both in mate and in gnome when I save a file with a new name, the dead keys work perfectly on the name, I can use accents in it. Perhaps there is a clue in the difference between both calls. That's all for the moment. Regards Jorge -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Fwd: no accents with dead keys (SOLVED)
I forgot to include lyx-users, here it goes the mail -- Forwarded message - From: jorge hernando Date: Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 1:05 PM Subject: Re: no accents with dead keys (SOLVED) To: José Abílio Matos Hi Jose I searched old e-mails and I believe I can confirm it's a bug in qt5 that ts triggered by un unknown mechanism. The previous fedora version I had (the 29) had lyx 2.3.3 and qt5.11 and it worked perfectly. When I installed fedora 32 the deadkeys were effectively dead. However, with featherpad (a qt application) I had the same problem while with nedit (non a qt appl.) had all the dead keys in order. I also think that not all the installations have the same problem because if it all had it, there probably were a massive outcry: almost every language, except english, has accents. Lastly, I have not the foggiest notion of what Input Methods are; please tell me if there is something I can do. Regards Jorge On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 12:15 PM José Abílio Matos wrote: > Hi Jorge, > > let us keep this discussion in the mailing list to help others that > could have the same problem. :-) > > On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 1:20:37 PM WET jorge hernando wrote: > > > I use mate as a desktop. > > I use mainly kde, sometimes test in gnome, and although I have not mate > installed but I can install it to see if I can reproduce the problem. > > > This is the first time I had problems with lyx, and I'm using it from the > > > very beginning, I think more than twenty years. The previous Fedora I > had, > > > was 29, I don't remember the qt version but I remember that it worked > > > flawlessly. I'm sure that the bug is in the qt5 library, but I don't know > > > how to discover how it is triggered. Any suggestions? > > One of the first things to test is to see if this is a problem of lyx or > if you see it in other qt5 based applications. Simple examples here are > kate and kwrite but any other application based on qt5 is OK to test. Could > you try please and see if the problem also happens there? > > My first guess would be that this is related with Input Methods: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/InputMethods#Qt_IM_modules > > but only testing can we know. :-) > > > Regards > > > > > > Jorge > > > -- > > José Abílio > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys (SOLVED)
Hi Jorge, let us keep this discussion in the mailing list to help others that could have the same problem. :-) On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 1:20:37 PM WET jorge hernando wrote: > I use mate as a desktop. I use mainly kde, sometimes test in gnome, and although I have not mate installed but I can install it to see if I can reproduce the problem. > This is the first time I had problems with lyx, and I'm using it from the > very beginning, I think more than twenty years. The previous Fedora I had, > was 29, I don't remember the qt version but I remember that it worked > flawlessly. I'm sure that the bug is in the qt5 library, but I don't know > how to discover how it is triggered. Any suggestions? One of the first things to test is to see if this is a problem of lyx or if you see it in other qt5 based applications. Simple examples here are kate and kwrite but any other application based on qt5 is OK to test. Could you try please and see if the problem also happens there? My first guess would be that this is related with Input Methods: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/InputMethods#Qt_IM_modules but only testing can we know. :-) > Regards > > Jorge -- José Abílio-- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys (SOLVED)
On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 7:03:42 PM WET jorge hernando wrote: > Hi > Some time ago I begun a thread about dead keys not working in lyx that ended > up with a quite cumbersome and imperfect solution (it didn't work in > formulas and was an unmitigated problem in tables); i.e. to write in a non > qt-editor and then paste the text. However, a couple of days ago, Flavio > Eler de Melo told me in an e-mail the solution. He has the pc under Ubuntu > 18.04 which provides both Qt5 and Qt4. He removed qt5 and compiled lyx > (even the latest 2.4.0) with Qt4 and the dead keys worked. > > I'm in fedora 32 and didn't want anything drastic so I downloaded qt4lib and > the lyx sources and run configure with the line > > ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt4 --with-extra-lib=/usr/lib64 > --with-version-suffix > > and ended up with the executable lyx-2.3.5.2 in /usr/local/bin which runs > with Qt4 (the dead keys work perfectly) which coexists with the executable > (just in case) lyx which runs with Qt5. > > Jorge Hi Jorge, my keyboard has dead keys and they work flawlessly in Fedora. I remember the problems you describe in LyX but those were more than 15 years ago. What is the desktop environment that you are using? I am one of the maintainers of LyX in Fedora and I am interested in understanding your problem so that it can be fixed. Regards, -- José Abílio-- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
no accents with dead keys (SOLVED)
Hi Some time ago I begun a thread about dead keys not working in lyx that ended up with a quite cumbersome and imperfect solution (it didn't work in formulas and was an unmitigated problem in tables); i.e. to write in a non qt-editor and then paste the text. However, a couple of days ago, Flavio Eler de Melo told me in an e-mail the solution. He has the pc under Ubuntu 18.04 which provides both Qt5 and Qt4. He removed qt5 and compiled lyx (even the latest 2.4.0) with Qt4 and the dead keys worked. I'm in fedora 32 and didn't want anything drastic so I downloaded qt4lib and the lyx sources and run configure with the line ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt4 --with-extra-lib=/usr/lib64 --with-version-suffix and ended up with the executable lyx-2.3.5.2 in /usr/local/bin which runs with Qt4 (the dead keys work perfectly) which coexists with the executable (just in case) lyx which runs with Qt5. Jorge -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys
Le mercredi 15 juillet 2020 à 10:38 -0300, jorge hernando a écrit : > I can also confirm that the qt5 5.11 works well. My old setup, fedora > 29 and lyx 2.3.3, where all the accents worked had qt5 5.11. Maybe you can still start this old setup as a workaround? > By the way, if I write in another application (not qt based) like > nedit and made copy and paste with the mouse I obtain the accents but > not the newlines, Never noticed that. Perhaps it's worth starting a new thread? Here, in this case I get the accents and the _double_ newlines, which become a single newline in LyX... > if I insert the file (Insert -> file -> plain text) I obtain the new > lines but not the accents (same behaviour if I import the text). ... whereas in that case I still get the accents, and the newlines, but the double newlines become single. Strange. > Does it exist a setting in lyx in order to have the best of both > procedures? > Jorge > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:03 AM Daniel CLEMENT > wrote: > > Le lundi 13 juillet 2020 à 11:14 -0300, jorge hernando a écrit : > > > Thanks to all of you. I believe I can confirm that this is a qt > > bug. > > > Following Daniel's suggestion I installed featherpad (a qt > > > application) and it has the same lyx behaviour: the dead keys are > > > really dead. [...] > > > > Just FWIW, I tried something: I'm planning to update my oldstable > > Debian (9) to stable (10) these months and I wanted to check whether > > everything was OK. > > > > So I ran the newer distro from a live USB session and installed > > Featherpad (not LyX, because it would pull a whole TeX system). > > > > The dead keys were working well! (except the cedilla of course) All the > > libqt5... thingies had version 5.11.3. The regression in QT (if any) > > must have come later. > > > > I hope you can get back a working setup soon. BR, Daniel > > > > > > > > > Thanks to all of you > > > > > > Jorge > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:50 AM Daniel CLEMENT > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Jorge, I have struggled a long time with dead keys, but only for > > > > the > > > > cedilla character. I posted several times about that; I can but > > > > offer > > > > to compare our setups > > > > > > > > Le dimanche 12 juillet 2020 à 17:02 -0300, jorge hernando a écrit : > > > > > Hallo > > > > > I have one PC with english keyboard (US international with dead > > > > > keys) > > > > > > > > same here (LyX 2.3.2 - Debian Stretch [yeah I know...]) > > > > > > > > > [...] the accents work perfectly (e.g. á is " 'a ") when in a > > > > > terminal, opening nedit, ooffice, etc. > > > > > > > > But these are not "QT applications". Could you compare with another > > > > such app. (Filezilla? Scribus? Master PDF?...) > > > > > > > > > but in lyx not only it doesn't work, the dead key is really dead: > > > > if > > > > > I type ' in lyx it doesn't type anything [...] > > > > > > > > Can't you even get the apostrophe with ' + spacebar? > > > > > > > > > > [...] I looked at some .kmap files in > > > > > /usr/share/lyx/kbd, [...] > > > > > > > > I understand that these files are now deprecated, and overridden by > > > > the > > > > QT settings (can someone confirm that?) > > > > > > > > > [...] I looked at /usr/share/lyx/bind > > > > > > > > This is for shortcuts, but of course you want to type accented > > > > characters the same way in LyX as in other apps, don't you? > > > > > > > > So here, working PC with US Intl + dead keys: > > > > - my ~.lyx/kbd folder is empty; > > > > - in LyX under Tools -> Editing -> Keyboard/Mouse I have no > > > > "keyboard > > > > remap" specified. > > > > > > > > This generally allows me to get the accented characters (except the > > > > cedilla). What about first trying with a completely blank LyX setup > > > > (e.g. renaming your .lyx folder)? > > > > > > > > > [...] In the mailing list it is mentioned (in 2019) that there is > > > > a > > > > > workaround related with Qt: to include in .xsessionrc the line > > > > > export QT_IM_MODULE=xim > > > > > I created the file with that line but didn't work > > > > > > > > In case you came across a post of mine, I was referring to > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/518056 > > > > (especially post #39) But it's about getting the cedilla, not _all_ > > > > of > > > > the accented characters, but you might want to review this thread. > > > > > > > > However, the "export QT_IM_MODULE=xim" thing is not a solution by > > > > itself, but comes after tweaking some QT config files (mentioned in > > > > the > > > > thread above). Maybe something got broken there with a QT update? > > > > It > > > > always happens to me. > > > > > > > > But let's hope you won't have to dive into this for each and every > > > > accented character! > > > > > > > > Good luck - Daniel > > > > > > -- > > Daniel CLEMENT > > -- Daniel CLEMENT -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx
Re: no accents with dead keys
I can also confirm that the qt5 5.11 works well. My old setup, fedora 29 and lyx 2.3.3, where all the accents worked had qt5 5.11. By the way, if I write in another application (not qt based) like nedit and made copy and paste with the mouse I obtain the accents but not the newlines, if I insert the file (Insert -> file -> plain text) I obtain the new lines but not the accents (same behaviour if I import the text). Does it exist a setting in lyx in order to have the best of both procedures? Jorge On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:03 AM Daniel CLEMENT wrote: > Le lundi 13 juillet 2020 à 11:14 -0300, jorge hernando a écrit : > > Thanks to all of you. I believe I can confirm that this is a qt bug. > > Following Daniel's suggestion I installed featherpad (a qt > > application) and it has the same lyx behaviour: the dead keys are > > really dead. [...] > > Just FWIW, I tried something: I'm planning to update my oldstable > Debian (9) to stable (10) these months and I wanted to check whether > everything was OK. > > So I ran the newer distro from a live USB session and installed > Featherpad (not LyX, because it would pull a whole TeX system). > > The dead keys were working well! (except the cedilla of course) All the > libqt5... thingies had version 5.11.3. The regression in QT (if any) > must have come later. > > I hope you can get back a working setup soon. BR, Daniel > > > > > > Thanks to all of you > > > > Jorge > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:50 AM Daniel CLEMENT > > wrote: > > > Hi Jorge, I have struggled a long time with dead keys, but only for > > > the > > > cedilla character. I posted several times about that; I can but > > > offer > > > to compare our setups > > > > > > Le dimanche 12 juillet 2020 à 17:02 -0300, jorge hernando a écrit : > > > > Hallo > > > > I have one PC with english keyboard (US international with dead > > > > keys) > > > > > > same here (LyX 2.3.2 - Debian Stretch [yeah I know...]) > > > > > > > [...] the accents work perfectly (e.g. á is " 'a ") when in a > > > > terminal, opening nedit, ooffice, etc. > > > > > > But these are not "QT applications". Could you compare with another > > > such app. (Filezilla? Scribus? Master PDF?...) > > > > > > > but in lyx not only it doesn't work, the dead key is really dead: > > > if > > > > I type ' in lyx it doesn't type anything [...] > > > > > > Can't you even get the apostrophe with ' + spacebar? > > > > > > > > [...] I looked at some .kmap files in > > > > /usr/share/lyx/kbd, [...] > > > > > > I understand that these files are now deprecated, and overridden by > > > the > > > QT settings (can someone confirm that?) > > > > > > > [...] I looked at /usr/share/lyx/bind > > > > > > This is for shortcuts, but of course you want to type accented > > > characters the same way in LyX as in other apps, don't you? > > > > > > So here, working PC with US Intl + dead keys: > > > - my ~.lyx/kbd folder is empty; > > > - in LyX under Tools -> Editing -> Keyboard/Mouse I have no > > > "keyboard > > > remap" specified. > > > > > > This generally allows me to get the accented characters (except the > > > cedilla). What about first trying with a completely blank LyX setup > > > (e.g. renaming your .lyx folder)? > > > > > > > [...] In the mailing list it is mentioned (in 2019) that there is > > > a > > > > workaround related with Qt: to include in .xsessionrc the line > > > > export QT_IM_MODULE=xim > > > > I created the file with that line but didn't work > > > > > > In case you came across a post of mine, I was referring to > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/518056 > > > (especially post #39) But it's about getting the cedilla, not _all_ > > > of > > > the accented characters, but you might want to review this thread. > > > > > > However, the "export QT_IM_MODULE=xim" thing is not a solution by > > > itself, but comes after tweaking some QT config files (mentioned in > > > the > > > thread above). Maybe something got broken there with a QT update? > > > It > > > always happens to me. > > > > > > But let's hope you won't have to dive into this for each and every > > > accented character! > > > > > > Good luck - Daniel > > > > -- > Daniel CLEMENT > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys
Thanks to all of you. I believe I can confirm that this is a qt bug. Following Daniel's suggestion I installed featherpad (a qt application) and it has the same lyx behaviour: the dead keys are really dead. I was going to install from source but I think that it doesn't matter. Has it appeared any workaround? Thanks to all of you Jorge On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:50 AM Daniel CLEMENT wrote: > Hi Jorge, I have struggled a long time with dead keys, but only for the > cedilla character. I posted several times about that; I can but offer > to compare our setups > > Le dimanche 12 juillet 2020 à 17:02 -0300, jorge hernando a écrit : > > Hallo > > I have one PC with english keyboard (US international with dead > > keys) > > same here (LyX 2.3.2 - Debian Stretch [yeah I know...]) > > > [...] the accents work perfectly (e.g. á is " 'a ") when in a > > terminal, opening nedit, ooffice, etc. > > But these are not "QT applications". Could you compare with another > such app. (Filezilla? Scribus? Master PDF?...) > > > but in lyx not only it doesn't work, the dead key is really dead: if > > I type ' in lyx it doesn't type anything [...] > > Can't you even get the apostrophe with ' + spacebar? > > > > [...] I looked at some .kmap files in > > /usr/share/lyx/kbd, [...] > > I understand that these files are now deprecated, and overridden by the > QT settings (can someone confirm that?) > > > [...] I looked at /usr/share/lyx/bind > > This is for shortcuts, but of course you want to type accented > characters the same way in LyX as in other apps, don't you? > > So here, working PC with US Intl + dead keys: > - my ~.lyx/kbd folder is empty; > - in LyX under Tools -> Editing -> Keyboard/Mouse I have no "keyboard > remap" specified. > > This generally allows me to get the accented characters (except the > cedilla). What about first trying with a completely blank LyX setup > (e.g. renaming your .lyx folder)? > > > [...] In the mailing list it is mentioned (in 2019) that there is a > > workaround related with Qt: to include in .xsessionrc the line > > export QT_IM_MODULE=xim > > I created the file with that line but didn't work > > In case you came across a post of mine, I was referring to > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/518056 > (especially post #39) But it's about getting the cedilla, not _all_ of > the accented characters, but you might want to review this thread. > > However, the "export QT_IM_MODULE=xim" thing is not a solution by > itself, but comes after tweaking some QT config files (mentioned in the > thread above). Maybe something got broken there with a QT update? It > always happens to me. > > But let's hope you won't have to dive into this for each and every > accented character! > > Good luck - Daniel > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys
On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:56 AM Daniel CLEMENT wrote: > Hi Jorge, I have struggled a long time with dead keys, but only for the > cedilla character. I posted several times about that; I can but offer > to compare our setups > > Le dimanche 12 juillet 2020 à 17:02 -0300, jorge hernando a écrit : > > Hallo > > I have one PC with english keyboard (US international with dead > > keys) > > same here (LyX 2.3.2 - Debian Stretch [yeah I know...]) > > > [...] the accents work perfectly (e.g. á is " 'a ") when in a > > terminal, opening nedit, ooffice, etc. > > But these are not "QT applications". Could you compare with another > such app. (Filezilla? Scribus? Master PDF?...) > I had this problem with Master PDF Editor, actually. I updated the app and my combination keys stopped working (as did Ibus X-Sampa, an IPA keyboard layout). After some back-and-forth with the developers, I figured out that the problem was a QT dependency, libqt5svg5 >= 5.9.8. The Debian repos are up to 5.9.5. But it isn't one of the dependencies of lyx, which seems to be using QT4, so there may be something else going on. Maria > > > but in lyx not only it doesn't work, the dead key is really dead: if > > I type ' in lyx it doesn't type anything [...] > > Can't you even get the apostrophe with ' + spacebar? > > > > [...] I looked at some .kmap files in > > /usr/share/lyx/kbd, [...] > > I understand that these files are now deprecated, and overridden by the > QT settings (can someone confirm that?) > > > [...] I looked at /usr/share/lyx/bind > > This is for shortcuts, but of course you want to type accented > characters the same way in LyX as in other apps, don't you? > > So here, working PC with US Intl + dead keys: > - my ~.lyx/kbd folder is empty; > - in LyX under Tools -> Editing -> Keyboard/Mouse I have no "keyboard > remap" specified. > > This generally allows me to get the accented characters (except the > cedilla). What about first trying with a completely blank LyX setup > (e.g. renaming your .lyx folder)? > > > [...] In the mailing list it is mentioned (in 2019) that there is a > > workaround related with Qt: to include in .xsessionrc the line > > export QT_IM_MODULE=xim > > I created the file with that line but didn't work > > In case you came across a post of mine, I was referring to > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/518056 > (especially post #39) But it's about getting the cedilla, not _all_ of > the accented characters, but you might want to review this thread. > > However, the "export QT_IM_MODULE=xim" thing is not a solution by > itself, but comes after tweaking some QT config files (mentioned in the > thread above). Maybe something got broken there with a QT update? It > always happens to me. > > But let's hope you won't have to dive into this for each and every > accented character! > > Good luck - Daniel > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys
Op 12-07-2020 om 22:02 schreef jorge hernando: Hallo I have one PC with english keyboard (US international with dead keys) and another one with spanish keyboard (Castilian Spanish with dead keys) both with fedora 32 (since a couple of days) and lyx 2.3.5.2. In both PC have the same problem: the accents work perfectly (e.g. á is " 'a ") when in a terminal, opening nedit, ooffice, etc. but in lyx not only it doesn't work, the dead key is really dead: if I type ' in lyx it doesn't type anything but, there is at least one exception, when saving a file, I can type a name with accents (?) Using the "US International keyboard with dead keys", I can create accented letters in the usual way, e.g. "e gives ë, etc. This works both in Linux Mint 20 with LyX 2.3.4.2 and Windows 10 with LyX 2.3.5.2. The system language is Dutch (nl_nl) in both cases. I can get the ç (c with cedilla), with Alt R + , Kees -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys
Hi Jorge, I have struggled a long time with dead keys, but only for the cedilla character. I posted several times about that; I can but offer to compare our setups Le dimanche 12 juillet 2020 à 17:02 -0300, jorge hernando a écrit : > Hallo > I have one PC with english keyboard (US international with dead > keys) same here (LyX 2.3.2 - Debian Stretch [yeah I know...]) > [...] the accents work perfectly (e.g. á is " 'a ") when in a > terminal, opening nedit, ooffice, etc. But these are not "QT applications". Could you compare with another such app. (Filezilla? Scribus? Master PDF?...) > but in lyx not only it doesn't work, the dead key is really dead: if > I type ' in lyx it doesn't type anything [...] Can't you even get the apostrophe with ' + spacebar? > > [...] I looked at some .kmap files in > /usr/share/lyx/kbd, [...] I understand that these files are now deprecated, and overridden by the QT settings (can someone confirm that?) > [...] I looked at /usr/share/lyx/bind This is for shortcuts, but of course you want to type accented characters the same way in LyX as in other apps, don't you? So here, working PC with US Intl + dead keys: - my ~.lyx/kbd folder is empty; - in LyX under Tools -> Editing -> Keyboard/Mouse I have no "keyboard remap" specified. This generally allows me to get the accented characters (except the cedilla). What about first trying with a completely blank LyX setup (e.g. renaming your .lyx folder)? > [...] In the mailing list it is mentioned (in 2019) that there is a > workaround related with Qt: to include in .xsessionrc the line > export QT_IM_MODULE=xim > I created the file with that line but didn't work In case you came across a post of mine, I was referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/518056 (especially post #39) But it's about getting the cedilla, not _all_ of the accented characters, but you might want to review this thread. However, the "export QT_IM_MODULE=xim" thing is not a solution by itself, but comes after tweaking some QT config files (mentioned in the thread above). Maybe something got broken there with a QT update? It always happens to me. But let's hope you won't have to dive into this for each and every accented character! Good luck - Daniel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 05:02:48PM -0300, jorge hernando wrote: > As conclusion: am I doing anything wrong? The other possibilities I see > are: either I'm a lucky guy and I found a bug in lyx or the fedora 32 > implementation went askew. Any suggestions? Most likely no. I have similar problem with Czech keyboard and it boils down to changes in underlying Qt library, you might be suffering from the same thing. So the bad news is that this is to stay no matter what version of LyX you try, the good news is that you might be able to use workarounds other ppl already pointed to. Pavel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys
On 7/12/20 4:02 PM, jorge hernando wrote: Hallo I have one PC with english keyboard (US international with dead keys) and another one with spanish keyboard (Castilian Spanish with dead keys) both with fedora 32 (since a couple of days) and lyx 2.3.5.2. In both PC have the same problem: the accents work perfectly (e.g. á is " 'a ") when in a terminal, opening nedit, ooffice, etc. but in lyx not only it doesn't work, the dead key is really dead: if I type ' in lyx it doesn't type anything but, there is at least one exception, when saving a file, I can type a name with accents (?) A couple of days ago, I updated the PCs which both were with fedora 29 and lyx 2.3.3 and worked correctly. I tried downgrading lyx to 2.3.4 to no avail. I wanted to install the lyx 2.3.3 of fedora 29 but couldn't. I tried, according to the customization manual, to add the following line to the file .lyx/lyxrc.default accent-circumflex "S-^" to no avail. I created the file .lyx/lyxrc with the same line and with the same result. I looked at some .kmap files in /usr/share/lyx/kbd, specifically at the francais.kmap, espanol.kmap and the european.kmap and all of them have the acents defined. Then I went to Tools -> Editing -> Keyboard/Mouse and included them in turn with no change at all. I looked at /usr/share/lyx/bind and was completely lost; I didn't understand a thing. Searching with google I found some references but also didn't understand them. In the mailing list it is mentioned (in 2019) that there is a workaround related with Qt: to include in .xsessionrc the line export QT_IM_MODULE=xim I created the file with that line but didn't work As now I'm writing in french, which needs all the dead keys combinations, I exclude the use of latex writing style. As conclusion: am I doing anything wrong? The other possibilities I see are: either I'm a lucky guy and I found a bug in lyx or the fedora 32 implementation went askew. Any suggestions? Jorge Hernando I'm not familiar with Fedora, but on Mint (and this presumably also works on Ubuntu) I went into the system keyboard preferences (not LyX preferences) and set the "compose" key (in my case to the right Alt key). So in any text application, the combination Alt+' a and the combination Alt+a ' both produce á (with Alt being the right Alt key). This also works in LyX. Paul -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: no accents with dead keys
Am Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:02:48 -0300 schrieb jorge hernando : > Hallo > I have one PC with english keyboard (US international with dead keys) and > another one with spanish keyboard (Castilian Spanish with dead keys) both > with fedora 32 (since a couple of days) and lyx 2.3.5.2. In both PC have > the same problem: the accents work perfectly (e.g. á is " 'a ") when in a > terminal, opening nedit, ooffice, etc. but in lyx not only it doesn't work, > the dead key is really dead: if I type ' in lyx it doesn't type anything > but, there is at least one exception, when saving a file, I can type a name > with accents (?) > > A couple of days ago, I updated the PCs which both were with fedora 29 > and lyx 2.3.3 and worked correctly. I tried downgrading lyx to 2.3.4 to no > avail. I wanted to install the lyx 2.3.3 of fedora 29 but couldn't. I > tried, according to the customization manual, to add the following line to > the file .lyx/lyxrc.default > accent-circumflex "S-^" > to no avail. I created the file .lyx/lyxrc with the same line and with > the same result. I looked at some .kmap files in /usr/share/lyx/kbd, > specifically at the francais.kmap, espanol.kmap and the european.kmap and > all of them have the acents defined. Then I went to Tools -> Editing -> > Keyboard/Mouse and included them in turn with no change at all. I looked at > /usr/share/lyx/bind and was completely lost; I didn't understand a thing. > Searching with google I found some references but also didn't understand > them. In the mailing list it is mentioned (in 2019) that there is a > workaround related with Qt: to include in .xsessionrc the line > export QT_IM_MODULE=xim > I created the file with that line but didn't work > > As now I'm writing in french, which needs all the dead keys combinations, > I exclude the use of latex writing style. > > As conclusion: am I doing anything wrong? The other possibilities I see > are: either I'm a lucky guy and I found a bug in lyx or the fedora 32 > implementation went askew. Any suggestions? > > Jorge Hernando You could define some standard keys to help you. Look into slovak.kmap Here '=' for instance works as dead_acute for the chars aceilnorsuyzACEILNORSUYZ. Don't forget to use your new kmap. Tools->Preferences...->Editing->Keyboard/Mouse->Use_keyboard map->Primary Kornel pgpnE14kSSP4V.pgp Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
no accents with dead keys
Hallo I have one PC with english keyboard (US international with dead keys) and another one with spanish keyboard (Castilian Spanish with dead keys) both with fedora 32 (since a couple of days) and lyx 2.3.5.2. In both PC have the same problem: the accents work perfectly (e.g. á is " 'a ") when in a terminal, opening nedit, ooffice, etc. but in lyx not only it doesn't work, the dead key is really dead: if I type ' in lyx it doesn't type anything but, there is at least one exception, when saving a file, I can type a name with accents (?) A couple of days ago, I updated the PCs which both were with fedora 29 and lyx 2.3.3 and worked correctly. I tried downgrading lyx to 2.3.4 to no avail. I wanted to install the lyx 2.3.3 of fedora 29 but couldn't. I tried, according to the customization manual, to add the following line to the file .lyx/lyxrc.default accent-circumflex "S-^" to no avail. I created the file .lyx/lyxrc with the same line and with the same result. I looked at some .kmap files in /usr/share/lyx/kbd, specifically at the francais.kmap, espanol.kmap and the european.kmap and all of them have the acents defined. Then I went to Tools -> Editing -> Keyboard/Mouse and included them in turn with no change at all. I looked at /usr/share/lyx/bind and was completely lost; I didn't understand a thing. Searching with google I found some references but also didn't understand them. In the mailing list it is mentioned (in 2019) that there is a workaround related with Qt: to include in .xsessionrc the line export QT_IM_MODULE=xim I created the file with that line but didn't work As now I'm writing in french, which needs all the dead keys combinations, I exclude the use of latex writing style. As conclusion: am I doing anything wrong? The other possibilities I see are: either I'm a lucky guy and I found a bug in lyx or the fedora 32 implementation went askew. Any suggestions? Jorge Hernando -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
