Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 3.03.08, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Conclusion: if you need bold math characters, Times Roman is not a good choice (if you insist on mixing fonts that do not match, you can still set the fonts to default in the SettingsDocumentFonts selection boxes and in the

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 3.03.08, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Bruce Pourciau wrote: ... if I have to choose between a close match between the math and text fonts or having bold symbols, I'll typically take the bold symbols. I don't produce books, and for pretty much everything else Times without mathptmx seems

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-04 Thread Bruce Pourciau
On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Bruce Pourciau wrote: If you don't _have_ to use Times, why not choose Palatino? It is a beautiful face, unlike Times. I'm happy as a clam -- boldface and all -- with \usepackage[osf]{mathpazo} in the preamble. How well does that work with

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 3.03.08, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Conclusion: if you need bold math characters, Times Roman is not a good choice (if you insist on mixing fonts that do not match, you can still set the fonts to default in the SettingsDocumentFonts selection boxes and in the

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 3.03.08, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Bruce Pourciau wrote: ... if I have to choose between a close match between the math and text fonts or having bold symbols, I'll typically take the bold symbols. I don't produce books, and for pretty much everything else Times without mathptmx seems

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-04 Thread Bruce Pourciau
On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Bruce Pourciau wrote: If you don't _have_ to use Times, why not choose Palatino? It is a beautiful face, unlike Times. I'm happy as a clam -- boldface and all -- with \usepackage[osf]{mathpazo} in the preamble. How well does that work with

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 3.03.08, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > > Conclusion: if you need bold math characters, Times Roman is not a good > > choice (if you insist on mixing fonts that do not match, you can still set the fonts to "default" in the Settings>Document>Fonts selection boxes and

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-04 Thread G. Milde
On 3.03.08, Paul A. Rubin wrote: > Bruce Pourciau wrote: > ... if I have to choose between a close match between the math and text > fonts or having bold symbols, I'll typically take the bold symbols. I > don't produce books, and for pretty much everything else Times without > mathptmx

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-04 Thread Bruce Pourciau
On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Bruce Pourciau wrote: If you don't _have_ to use Times, why not choose Palatino? It is a beautiful face, unlike Times. I'm happy as a clam -- boldface and all -- with \usepackage[osf]{mathpazo} in the preamble. How well does that work with

pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Oscar Lopez
Dear all It seems that pdf output of boldsymbol math does not show properly when the command \boldsymbol is used. I am using lyx-1.5.4 (compiled version using kubuntu and texlive) Open a new document (article) enter a math inset with \boldsymbol* an enter a letter \boldsymbol{a}

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Paul A. Rubin wrote: Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if you select Times Roman as your Roman font.  Since mathptmx has no bold symbols, I can see this being a problem, and I'm surprised it was done.   In the short term, the workarounds are either to switch

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Oscar Lopez wrote: Dear all It seems that pdf output of boldsymbol math does not show properly when the command \boldsymbol is used. I am using lyx-1.5.4 (compiled version using kubuntu and texlive) Open a new document (article) enter a math inset with \boldsymbol* an enter a letter

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Oscar Lopez
Paul A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oscar Lopez wrote: Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if you select Times Roman as your Roman font. Since mathptmx has no bold symbols, I can see this being a problem, and I'm surprised it was done. Yes I

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Oscar Lopez
Jürgen Spitzmüller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if you select Times Roman as your Roman font. Since mathptmx has no bold symbols, I can see this being a problem, and I'm surprised it was done. In

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Oscar Lopez wrote: But as Paul has pointed out mathptmx has no bold symbols. Therefore lyx has to load something to the preamble in the case math boldsymbols are required. Either a \usepackage{bm} together with \usepackage{mathptmx} are added or only \usepackage{bm} is loaded. Please note that

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Conclusion: if you need bold math characters, Times Roman is not a good choice (if you insist on mixing fonts that do not match, you can still load Times Roman as roman font only with \def\rmdefault{ptm} which is still better than \usepackage{times}). There's also

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Bruce Pourciau
On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Oscar Lopez wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if you select Times Roman as your Roman font. Since mathptmx has no bold symbols, I can see this being

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Bruce Pourciau wrote: If you don't _have_ to use Times, why not choose Palatino? It is a beautiful face, unlike Times. I'm happy as a clam -- boldface and all -- with \usepackage[osf]{mathpazo} in the preamble. How well does that work with PDF files? One reason I use

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread David A. Case
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Assuming I'm using Times, if I have to choose between a close match between the math and text fonts or having bold symbols, I'll typically take the bold symbols. I think the choice is between a good match between math and text, but (somewhat)

pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Oscar Lopez
Dear all It seems that pdf output of boldsymbol math does not show properly when the command \boldsymbol is used. I am using lyx-1.5.4 (compiled version using kubuntu and texlive) Open a new document (article) enter a math inset with \boldsymbol* an enter a letter \boldsymbol{a}

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Paul A. Rubin wrote: Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if you select Times Roman as your Roman font.  Since mathptmx has no bold symbols, I can see this being a problem, and I'm surprised it was done.   In the short term, the workarounds are either to switch

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Oscar Lopez wrote: Dear all It seems that pdf output of boldsymbol math does not show properly when the command \boldsymbol is used. I am using lyx-1.5.4 (compiled version using kubuntu and texlive) Open a new document (article) enter a math inset with \boldsymbol* an enter a letter

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Oscar Lopez
Paul A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oscar Lopez wrote: Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if you select Times Roman as your Roman font. Since mathptmx has no bold symbols, I can see this being a problem, and I'm surprised it was done. Yes I

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Oscar Lopez
Jürgen Spitzmüller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if you select Times Roman as your Roman font. Since mathptmx has no bold symbols, I can see this being a problem, and I'm surprised it was done. In

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Oscar Lopez wrote: But as Paul has pointed out mathptmx has no bold symbols. Therefore lyx has to load something to the preamble in the case math boldsymbols are required. Either a \usepackage{bm} together with \usepackage{mathptmx} are added or only \usepackage{bm} is loaded. Please note that

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Conclusion: if you need bold math characters, Times Roman is not a good choice (if you insist on mixing fonts that do not match, you can still load Times Roman as roman font only with \def\rmdefault{ptm} which is still better than \usepackage{times}). There's also

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Bruce Pourciau
On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Oscar Lopez wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if you select Times Roman as your Roman font. Since mathptmx has no bold symbols, I can see this being

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Bruce Pourciau wrote: If you don't _have_ to use Times, why not choose Palatino? It is a beautiful face, unlike Times. I'm happy as a clam -- boldface and all -- with \usepackage[osf]{mathpazo} in the preamble. How well does that work with PDF files? One reason I use

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread David A. Case
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: Assuming I'm using Times, if I have to choose between a close match between the math and text fonts or having bold symbols, I'll typically take the bold symbols. I think the choice is between a good match between math and text, but (somewhat)

pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Oscar Lopez
Dear all It seems that pdf output of boldsymbol math does not show properly when the command \boldsymbol is used. I am using lyx-1.5.4 (compiled version using kubuntu and texlive) Open a new document (article) enter a math inset with \boldsymbol* an enter a letter \boldsymbol{a}

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Paul A. Rubin wrote: > Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if > you select Times Roman as your Roman font.  Since mathptmx has no bold > symbols, I can see this being a problem, and I'm surprised it was done. >   In the short term, the workarounds are either to

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Oscar Lopez wrote: Dear all It seems that pdf output of boldsymbol math does not show properly when the command \boldsymbol is used. I am using lyx-1.5.4 (compiled version using kubuntu and texlive) Open a new document (article) enter a math inset with \boldsymbol* an enter a letter

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Oscar Lopez
Paul A. Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Oscar Lopez wrote: > > Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if > you select Times Roman as your Roman font. Since mathptmx has no bold > symbols, I can see this being a problem, and I'm surprised it was done. Yes

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Oscar Lopez
Jürgen Spitzmüller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Paul A. Rubin wrote: > > Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if > > you select Times Roman as your Roman font. Since mathptmx has no bold > > symbols, I can see this being a problem, and I'm surprised it was

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Oscar Lopez wrote: > But as Paul has pointed out mathptmx has no bold symbols. Therefore lyx has > to load something to the preamble in the case math boldsymbols are > required. Either a \usepackage{bm} together with \usepackage{mathptmx} are > added or only \usepackage{bm} is loaded. Please note

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Conclusion: if you need bold math characters, Times Roman is not a good > choice (if you insist on mixing fonts that do not match, you can still load > Times Roman as roman font only with > > \def\rmdefault{ptm} > > which is still better than \usepackage{times}).

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Bruce Pourciau
On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Oscar Lopez wrote: Jürgen Spitzmüller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Paul A. Rubin wrote: Apparently, as of a recent version, LyX loads mathptmx automatically if you select Times Roman as your Roman font. Since mathptmx has no bold symbols, I can see this

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Bruce Pourciau wrote: If you don't _have_ to use Times, why not choose Palatino? It is a beautiful face, unlike Times. I'm happy as a clam -- boldface and all -- with \usepackage[osf]{mathpazo} in the preamble. How well does that work with PDF files? One reason I use

Re: pdf output of boldsymbol math does not work

2008-03-03 Thread David A. Case
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008, Paul A. Rubin wrote: > Assuming I'm using Times, if I have to choose between a close match > between the math and text fonts or having bold symbols, I'll typically > take the bold symbols. I think the choice is between a good match between math and text, but (somewhat)