Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-29 Thread Helge Hafting
Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 22 June 2006 07:22 am, Helge Hafting wrote: Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-29 Thread Helge Hafting
Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 22 June 2006 07:22 am, Helge Hafting wrote: Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-29 Thread Helge Hafting
Steve Litt wrote: On Thursday 22 June 2006 07:22 am, Helge Hafting wrote: Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-22 Thread Helge Hafting
Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but less time on formatting. Based on my experience, however, and from posts to this

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-22 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Rich == Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rich I still don't care about the differences between \textellipsis Rich and \ldots. :-) How did you come up with these \textellipsis, then? InsertSp. CharsEllipsis uses \ldots. JMarc

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 22 June 2006 07:22 am, Helge Hafting wrote: Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but less time on

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-22 Thread Helge Hafting
Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but less time on formatting. Based on my experience, however, and from posts to this

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-22 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Rich == Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rich I still don't care about the differences between \textellipsis Rich and \ldots. :-) How did you come up with these \textellipsis, then? InsertSp. CharsEllipsis uses \ldots. JMarc

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 22 June 2006 07:22 am, Helge Hafting wrote: Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but less time on

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-22 Thread Helge Hafting
Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but less time on formatting. Based on my experience, however, and from posts to this

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-22 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Rich" == Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Rich> I still don't care about the differences between \textellipsis Rich> and \ldots. :-) How did you come up with these \textellipsis, then? Insert>Sp. Chars>Ellipsis uses \ldots. JMarc

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 22 June 2006 07:22 am, Helge Hafting wrote: > Jeremy Wells wrote: > > For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word > > processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. > > > > For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, > > but less time

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Eric Nystrom wrote: We humanists have particular expertise with documentation - perhaps creating, revising, or tweaking the docs may be of help.  In short, please appreciate this community both for what it is and what it is not; and if you are looking to contribute, there are many ways of

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Charles de Miramon
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: For instance: jurabib (since this is mentioned by the OP). I implemented that to Lyx 1.4 because I need it for my own work. I admit that the jurabib support still can be enhanced in many ways. But hey, it's a brand new feature, jurabib itself is very feature-rich,

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Charles de Miramon wrote: A \nobibliography{} option would be nice for 1.4.3. Today, it is really a fragile hack to do it inside LyX Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Jürgen

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 10:56, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Would that change the file format? Jürgen PS: Wearing my hat of file format police. ;-) -- José Abílio

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jose' Matos wrote: Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Would that change the file format? Yes. Jürgen PS: Wearing my hat of file format police. ;-) I see lots of policemen recently ;-) Jürgen

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 11:28, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Jose' Matos wrote: Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Would that change the file format? Yes. I was afraid to hear that. You know the rules, this change can only go in 1.5svn. :-( Jürgen PS: Wearing my hat

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jose' Matos wrote: I was afraid to hear that. You know the rules, this change can only go in 1.5svn. :-( I know. I see lots of policemen recently ;-) What would you expect with the World Cup in your country? ;-) exactly. People are quite excited ATM (though I'm not living in one of the

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 12:02, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: exactly. People are quite excited ATM (though I'm not living in one of the FIFA occupied cities). But do I have to tell that to a Portuguese? For us, two years ago - Euro 2004, it was UEFA. :-) Jürgen -- José Abílio

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Sam Russell
On 19/06/06, Jeremy Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. Judging from the number of posts to this lists, citations and bibliographies are a major issue. There is no easy to use method

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Eric Nystrom wrote: We humanists have particular expertise with documentation - perhaps creating, revising, or tweaking the docs may be of help.  In short, please appreciate this community both for what it is and what it is not; and if you are looking to contribute, there are many ways of

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Charles de Miramon
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: For instance: jurabib (since this is mentioned by the OP). I implemented that to Lyx 1.4 because I need it for my own work. I admit that the jurabib support still can be enhanced in many ways. But hey, it's a brand new feature, jurabib itself is very feature-rich,

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Charles de Miramon wrote: A \nobibliography{} option would be nice for 1.4.3. Today, it is really a fragile hack to do it inside LyX Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Jürgen

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 10:56, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Would that change the file format? Jürgen PS: Wearing my hat of file format police. ;-) -- José Abílio

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jose' Matos wrote: Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Would that change the file format? Yes. Jürgen PS: Wearing my hat of file format police. ;-) I see lots of policemen recently ;-) Jürgen

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 11:28, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Jose' Matos wrote: Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Would that change the file format? Yes. I was afraid to hear that. You know the rules, this change can only go in 1.5svn. :-( Jürgen PS: Wearing my hat

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jose' Matos wrote: I was afraid to hear that. You know the rules, this change can only go in 1.5svn. :-( I know. I see lots of policemen recently ;-) What would you expect with the World Cup in your country? ;-) exactly. People are quite excited ATM (though I'm not living in one of the

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 12:02, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: exactly. People are quite excited ATM (though I'm not living in one of the FIFA occupied cities). But do I have to tell that to a Portuguese? For us, two years ago - Euro 2004, it was UEFA. :-) Jürgen -- José Abílio

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Sam Russell
On 19/06/06, Jeremy Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. Judging from the number of posts to this lists, citations and bibliographies are a major issue. There is no easy to use method

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Eric Nystrom wrote: > We humanists have particular expertise with > documentation - perhaps creating, revising, or tweaking the docs may be of > help.  In short, please appreciate this community both for what it is and > what it is not; and if you are looking to contribute, there are many ways >

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Charles de Miramon
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > For instance: jurabib (since this is mentioned by the OP). I implemented > that to Lyx 1.4 because I need it for my own work. I admit that the > jurabib support still can be enhanced in many ways. But hey, it's a brand > new feature, jurabib itself is very

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Charles de Miramon wrote: > A \nobibliography{} option would be nice for 1.4.3. Today, it is really a > fragile hack to do it inside LyX Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Jürgen

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 10:56, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. Would that change the file format? > Jürgen PS: Wearing my hat of file format police. ;-) -- José Abílio

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jose' Matos wrote: >> Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. > > Would that change the file format? Yes. >> Jürgen > > PS: Wearing my hat of file format police. ;-) I see lots of policemen recently ;-) Jürgen

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 11:28, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Jose' Matos wrote: > >> Please add it to bugzilla, if not already done. > > > > Would that change the file format? > > Yes. I was afraid to hear that. You know the rules, this change can only go in 1.5svn. :-( > >> Jürgen > > > >

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jose' Matos wrote: > I was afraid to hear that. You know the rules, this change can only go in > 1.5svn. :-( I know. >> I see lots of policemen recently ;-) > > What would you expect with the World Cup in your country? ;-) exactly. People are quite excited ATM (though I'm not living in one of

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Jose' Matos
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 12:02, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > exactly. People are quite excited ATM (though I'm not living in one of > the "FIFA occupied cities"). But do I have to tell that to a Portuguese? For us, two years ago - Euro 2004, it was UEFA. :-) > Jürgen -- José Abílio

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-20 Thread Sam Russell
On 19/06/06, Jeremy Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. Judging from the number of posts to this lists, citations and bibliographies are a major issue. There is no easy to use

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jeremy Wells wrote: I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) no, you're wrong, because...; 2) wait x number of years and we'll be there; or 3) if you don't like coding, use a different tool. No: 4) Sit down, learn coding and implement the features you are missing. Or at least: 5)

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Richard Heck
Speaking just for myself...and, yes, I'm an academic, a philosopher (with mathematical interests)... I have found LyX to deliver precisely what it purports to offer: I concentrate more on my writing and less on formatting. It seems crazy in retrospect, but when I was using a traditional word

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jeremy Wells wrote: I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) no, you're wrong, because...; 2) wait x number of years and we'll be there; or 3) if you don't like coding, use a different tool. 1) You're wrong somewhat... People in this list are really advanced user. I've been using

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 19 June 2006 09:21 am, Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but less time on formatting. Based on my experience,

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread David Neeley
Jeremy et al.: I am a relatively new LyX user, too. Among the documents I did in the first days of using it was a 12-page, footnoted report. It was far simpler than using a word processor be it OOo, Word, WordPerfect, WordPro, KWord, AbiWord, or various others with which I am quite familiar. (I

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Eric Nystrom
Jeremy, I'm a humanities user as well (history) so I understand your frustration however, I'll take an approach most similar to your #1 -- you're wrong: Lyx requires a little more investment in document structures, formatting, and so on, which is the point of most of the discussion on the

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Martin A. Hansen
hello jeremy i agree with you on your observations. i find lyx a very nice editor for formatting documents, however, i also have this feeling that most of my time is spend on the steep learning slopes of latex (which is because all the lyx things are fast and easy!). in my humble oppinion,

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: I am a firm believer in creating styles and using them rather than overriding particular pieces of a document--to the fullest possible extent. That makes upkeep of that document over time a much more consistent effort with much less effort involved. It

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Stephen Harris
Richard Heck wrote: Speaking just for myself...and, yes, I'm an academic, a philosopher (with mathematical interests)... I have found LyX to deliver precisely what it purports to offer: I concentrate more on my writing and less on formatting. It seems crazy in retrospect, but when I was using a

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Richard Heck wrote: I have found LyX to deliver precisely what it purports to offer: I concentrate more on my writing and less on formatting. It seems crazy in retrospect, but when I was using a traditional word processor (WordPerfect, in my case), I'd spend a ridiculously

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote: so i would like to add to your post some questions about considering alternatives to latex as layout engine. would it be possible (and feasible) to integrate tex commands with lyx circumnavigating latex? what other alternatives are there? xhtml and

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 09:21:44AM -0400, Jeremy Wells wrote: I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) no, you're wrong, because...; 2) wait x number of years and we'll be there; or 3) if you don't like coding, use a different tool. It's not 1). Could be 2) for sufficiently large

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Monday 19 June 2006 18:05, Rich Shepard wrote: I was very pleased to learn that when Springer-Verlag asked to publish my book, they provided their own class (svmono) for monographs, and they have a TeXpert on staff in New York because they prefer to get documents submitted camera ready.

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Monday 19 June 2006 15:21, Jeremy Wells wrote: I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) no, you're wrong, because...; 2) wait x number of years and we'll be there; or 3) if you don't like coding, use a different tool. From my experience from writing my thesis which LyX I'd say 1).

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jeremy Wells wrote: I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) no, you're wrong, because...; 2) wait x number of years and we'll be there; or 3) if you don't like coding, use a different tool. No: 4) Sit down, learn coding and implement the features you are missing. Or at least: 5)

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Richard Heck
Speaking just for myself...and, yes, I'm an academic, a philosopher (with mathematical interests)... I have found LyX to deliver precisely what it purports to offer: I concentrate more on my writing and less on formatting. It seems crazy in retrospect, but when I was using a traditional word

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jeremy Wells wrote: I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) no, you're wrong, because...; 2) wait x number of years and we'll be there; or 3) if you don't like coding, use a different tool. 1) You're wrong somewhat... People in this list are really advanced user. I've been using

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 19 June 2006 09:21 am, Jeremy Wells wrote: For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but find it wanting in a few critical areas. For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but less time on formatting. Based on my experience,

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread David Neeley
Jeremy et al.: I am a relatively new LyX user, too. Among the documents I did in the first days of using it was a 12-page, footnoted report. It was far simpler than using a word processor be it OOo, Word, WordPerfect, WordPro, KWord, AbiWord, or various others with which I am quite familiar. (I

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Eric Nystrom
Jeremy, I'm a humanities user as well (history) so I understand your frustration however, I'll take an approach most similar to your #1 -- you're wrong: Lyx requires a little more investment in document structures, formatting, and so on, which is the point of most of the discussion on the

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Martin A. Hansen
hello jeremy i agree with you on your observations. i find lyx a very nice editor for formatting documents, however, i also have this feeling that most of my time is spend on the steep learning slopes of latex (which is because all the lyx things are fast and easy!). in my humble oppinion,

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: I am a firm believer in creating styles and using them rather than overriding particular pieces of a document--to the fullest possible extent. That makes upkeep of that document over time a much more consistent effort with much less effort involved. It

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Stephen Harris
Richard Heck wrote: Speaking just for myself...and, yes, I'm an academic, a philosopher (with mathematical interests)... I have found LyX to deliver precisely what it purports to offer: I concentrate more on my writing and less on formatting. It seems crazy in retrospect, but when I was using a

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Richard Heck wrote: I have found LyX to deliver precisely what it purports to offer: I concentrate more on my writing and less on formatting. It seems crazy in retrospect, but when I was using a traditional word processor (WordPerfect, in my case), I'd spend a ridiculously

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote: so i would like to add to your post some questions about considering alternatives to latex as layout engine. would it be possible (and feasible) to integrate tex commands with lyx circumnavigating latex? what other alternatives are there? xhtml and

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 09:21:44AM -0400, Jeremy Wells wrote: I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) no, you're wrong, because...; 2) wait x number of years and we'll be there; or 3) if you don't like coding, use a different tool. It's not 1). Could be 2) for sufficiently large

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Monday 19 June 2006 18:05, Rich Shepard wrote: I was very pleased to learn that when Springer-Verlag asked to publish my book, they provided their own class (svmono) for monographs, and they have a TeXpert on staff in New York because they prefer to get documents submitted camera ready.

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Monday 19 June 2006 15:21, Jeremy Wells wrote: I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) no, you're wrong, because...; 2) wait x number of years and we'll be there; or 3) if you don't like coding, use a different tool. From my experience from writing my thesis which LyX I'd say 1).

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Jeremy Wells wrote: > I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) "no, you're wrong, > because..."; 2) "wait x number of years and we'll be there"; or 3) "if you > don't like coding, use a different tool." No: 4) Sit down, learn coding and implement the features you are missing. Or at

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Richard Heck
Speaking just for myself...and, yes, I'm an academic, a philosopher (with mathematical interests)... I have found LyX to deliver precisely what it purports to offer: I concentrate more on my writing and less on formatting. It seems crazy in retrospect, but when I was using a traditional word

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jeremy Wells wrote: I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) "no, you're wrong, because..."; 2) "wait x number of years and we'll be there"; or 3) "if you don't like coding, use a different tool." 1) You're wrong somewhat... People in this list are really advanced user. I've been

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 19 June 2006 09:21 am, Jeremy Wells wrote: > For some time I have been evaluating Lyx as an academic word processor, but > find it wanting in a few critical areas. > > For instance, the stated goal of Lyx is to spend more time writing, but > less time on formatting. Based on my

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread David Neeley
Jeremy et al.: I am a relatively new LyX user, too. Among the documents I did in the first days of using it was a 12-page, footnoted report. It was far simpler than using a "word processor" be it OOo, Word, WordPerfect, WordPro, KWord, AbiWord, or various others with which I am quite familiar.

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Eric Nystrom
Jeremy, I'm a humanities user as well (history) so I understand your frustration however, I'll take an approach most similar to your #1 -- "you're wrong": Lyx requires a little more investment in document structures, formatting, and so on, which is the point of most of the discussion on the

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Martin A. Hansen
hello jeremy i agree with you on your observations. i find lyx a very nice editor for formatting documents, however, i also have this feeling that most of my time is spend on the steep learning slopes of latex (which is because all the lyx things are fast and easy!). in my humble oppinion,

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, David Neeley wrote: I am a firm believer in creating styles and using them rather than overriding particular pieces of a document--to the fullest possible extent. That makes upkeep of that document over time a much more consistent effort with much less effort involved. It

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Stephen Harris
Richard Heck wrote: Speaking just for myself...and, yes, I'm an academic, a philosopher (with mathematical interests)... I have found LyX to deliver precisely what it purports to offer: I concentrate more on my writing and less on formatting. It seems crazy in retrospect, but when I was using a

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Richard Heck wrote: I have found LyX to deliver precisely what it purports to offer: I concentrate more on my writing and less on formatting. It seems crazy in retrospect, but when I was using a traditional word processor (WordPerfect, in my case), I'd spend a ridiculously

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote: so i would like to add to your post some questions about considering alternatives to latex as layout engine. would it be possible (and feasible) to integrate tex commands with lyx circumnavigating latex? what other alternatives are there? xhtml and

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 09:21:44AM -0400, Jeremy Wells wrote: > I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) "no, you're wrong, > because..."; 2) "wait x number of years and we'll be there"; or 3) "if you > don't like coding, use a different tool." It's not 1). Could be 2) for

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Monday 19 June 2006 18:05, Rich Shepard wrote: >I was very pleased to learn that when Springer-Verlag asked to > publish my book, they provided their own class (svmono) for > monographs, and they have a TeXpert on staff in New York because they > prefer to get documents submitted camera

Re: Confused about Lyx's goals -- isn't this supposed to increase productivity?

2006-06-19 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Monday 19 June 2006 15:21, Jeremy Wells wrote: > I suppose what I'm hoping for is someone to say 1) "no, you're wrong, > because..."; 2) "wait x number of years and we'll be there"; or 3) > "if you don't like coding, use a different tool." From my experience from writing my thesis which LyX