Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. I found the bug now. I simply forgot to ship the find.exe from MSYS with my installer. I'll upload a new version of the installer soon. regards Uwe I downloaded your Lyx1.3.6_1 version 2 installer yesterday, Nov. 15, the full version. But I only uninstall my old Lyx1.3.6. Still the install went well. And it loaded Gsview to c:\program files, which was not where I have one. It showed up in the Edit/Preferences/Path prefix. Strangely, the Path prefix also showed gs8.13 which I've deleted in favor of gs8.51and which is also in my Windows path. So I'm not sure where it came from, but printing worked. I changed the Path Prefix over to the correct gs8.51 folder and it all still worked! However, Nov.15 version must not be the one you fixed for find.exe because that didn't work for displaying Tex Information. So I took a chance and copied find.exe (and find2perl to be on the safe side) from C:\msys\1.0\bin\ copy find*.* to C:\LyX\bin. Then I ran Reconfigure. Lo and behold, the Tex Information was now fully populated with .cls! So that turns out to be really easy to fix. The install went pretty quickly. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris schrieb wrote: However, Nov.15 version must not be the one you fixed for find.exe because that didn't work for displaying Tex Information. Yes the fixed version will be 0.3 and is not yet uploaded. regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. I found the bug now. I simply forgot to ship the find.exe from MSYS with my installer. I'll upload a new version of the installer soon. regards Uwe I downloaded your Lyx1.3.6_1 version 2 installer yesterday, Nov. 15, the full version. But I only uninstall my old Lyx1.3.6. Still the install went well. And it loaded Gsview to c:\program files, which was not where I have one. It showed up in the Edit/Preferences/Path prefix. Strangely, the Path prefix also showed gs8.13 which I've deleted in favor of gs8.51and which is also in my Windows path. So I'm not sure where it came from, but printing worked. I changed the Path Prefix over to the correct gs8.51 folder and it all still worked! However, Nov.15 version must not be the one you fixed for find.exe because that didn't work for displaying Tex Information. So I took a chance and copied find.exe (and find2perl to be on the safe side) from C:\msys\1.0\bin\ copy find*.* to C:\LyX\bin. Then I ran Reconfigure. Lo and behold, the Tex Information was now fully populated with .cls! So that turns out to be really easy to fix. The install went pretty quickly. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris schrieb wrote: However, Nov.15 version must not be the one you fixed for find.exe because that didn't work for displaying Tex Information. Yes the fixed version will be 0.3 and is not yet uploaded. regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Stephen Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. I found the bug now. I simply forgot to ship the "find.exe" from MSYS with my installer. I'll upload a new version of the installer soon. regards Uwe I downloaded your Lyx1.3.6_1 version 2 installer yesterday, Nov. 15, the full version. But I only uninstall my old Lyx1.3.6. Still the install went well. And it loaded Gsview to c:\program files, which was not where I have one. It showed up in the Edit/Preferences/Path prefix. Strangely, the Path prefix also showed gs8.13 which I've deleted in favor of gs8.51and which is also in my Windows path. So I'm not sure where it came from, but printing worked. I changed the Path Prefix over to the correct gs8.51 folder and it all still worked! However, Nov.15 version must not be the one you fixed for find.exe because that didn't work for displaying Tex Information. So I took a chance and copied find.exe (and find2perl to be on the safe side) from C:\msys\1.0\bin\ copy find*.* to C:\LyX\bin. Then I ran Reconfigure. Lo and behold, the Tex Information was now fully populated with .cls! So that turns out to be really easy to fix. The install went pretty quickly. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris schrieb wrote: However, Nov.15 version must not be the one you fixed for find.exe because that didn't work for displaying Tex Information. Yes the fixed version will be 0.3 and is not yet uploaded. regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive the new installer version 0.2 https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117release_id=7989 now recognizes also TeXLive. The various TeXLive Win-installers don't write something special to the registry so that I serach for the path to the latex.exe in the PATH variable. Stephen, can you find out if TeXlive has an entry in the registry so that the Windows installer can check for its existence? I think the default install directory is C:\TexLive2005, I don't remember any choice for changing the directory which is called TLroot Don't know if this will help but I saw TLroot associated with the entry for C:\TexLive2005 in My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001 \Control\Session Manager\Environment (also TEXMFTEMP , TEXMFCNF, but nothing latex.exe specific) SH: I am a computist rather than a developer, so take this ? with a grain of salt as I'm asking out of curiousity. I thought the TLroot value (the default C:\TexLive2005 in this case) could be used as a variable to check for C:\TLroot\texmf\miktex\bin where latex.exe lives? I'm in not challenging the method you adopted, just interested. I think the ~\texmf\miktex\bin\*.exe is the required structure. If a user installs protext then MiKTeX is installed as LaTeX distribution, so no change in the code was needed. (btw. the protext bundle is the same as my complete installer for LyX, it also comes with all necessary programs like GSView, spellchecker etc.) With the Angus installer I had to use the browse icon to navigate to latex.exe even though ProText uses the Miktex installation. Only our standard Miktex installation is recognized by default. The Miktex developer stated that the Miktex full iso was going (http://dojo.miktex.org/blogs/christian_schenk/archive/category/1005.aspx) to be used for the Miktex in ProText released along with TL2005 on the dvd only. ProTeXt includes the trial version of WinEdt but there is very little difference between the Protext cd and the Miktex cd. The Protext version has a different gui for updating Miktex. Stephen could you please test if the installer recognizes your TeXLive distribution (when thepath to the latex.exe of TeXLive is in the PATH variable). Many thanks in advance. (When you also have MiKTeX installed LyXWin will use this one instead of TeXLive because MiKTeX is much easier to use, especially when a LaTeX-package is missing and should be installed.) regards Uwe I got into a discussion with Jean-Pierre Chrétien Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp about the relative merits of switching to ProText from the web install of Miktex. So I tried TexLive2005 full install first, and it was bloated. I then tried Protext which has almost the same version number as the Mitex cd md-2.4.2025.iso.bz2 19-Jul-2005 14:34 340M which worked well enough, but it comes bundled with TeXnicCenter which is no help for a LyX user and a soso Mitex Options gui. So after deleting Texlive2005 and ProText, I tested the Mitex iso and that worked very well. But then I had occasion to investigate a net install of Mitex. So I deleted the Mixtex cd install and used the Miktex net total install choosing to store all the cabs on disk. This also works great and seems very close in content to the full iso. To make a long story short, I've already deleted the TeXlive2005 and am using the net installed Miktex for troubleshooting now. I would have tested your installer and Angus earlier, but with my limited skills, I evaluate the success of the install using Tex Information as one criteria, which the Angus install displays. I didn't test the Angus 1.3.7 install with the other Miktex/Protext versions because I like to install LyX to C:\LyX, which both of the WinLyX 1.3.6 installers do well. I do like your installer. Also Uwe wrote: There are two versions available: - Complete; contains all programs listed above - Small; doesn't contain MiKTeX and GSview (to reduce the download time) [and from beta post: - GSview (optional)] SH: I don't seem to be able to print when using the Postscript viewer unless I've installed gswin32.exe I have each time been adding it to Path Prefix and on the overly safe side using the absolute path to C:\ghostgum\gsview\gswin32 under File formats. How do you print without GSview? Well, maybe printing from postscript is an unappreciated option for most users? Maybe because pdf is available, but postscript has text extract that works on some pdf files when Adobe doesn't. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris wrote: Also Uwe wrote: There are two versions available: - Complete; contains all programs listed above - Small; doesn't contain MiKTeX and GSview (to reduce the download time) [and from beta post: - GSview (optional)] SH: I don't seem to be able to print when using the Postscript viewer unless I've installed gswin32.exe I have each time been adding it to Path Prefix and on the overly safe side using the absolute path to C:\ghostgum\gsview\gswin32 under File formats. Does this mean that you can't print with GSview when it was installed using my installer? I tested this and it works for me without problems. If Ghostscript (gswin32.exe) isn't yet installed my installer installs it and GSview knows then where the gswin32.exe is located. So I can't see your problem or need a better description. How do you print without GSview? Well, maybe printing from postscript is an unappreciated option for most users? PDF is now THE printing format in most offices. But I decide to include it not to the Small installer because to install it you have to use its own installer (installing it silently directly with my installer is very very complicated). So if it is not included the Small installer needn't to start external installers which simplifies the installations process. But if also other users want GSview to be included I'll think about it. regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris wrote: I think the default install directory is C:\TexLive2005, I don't remember any choice for changing the directory which is called TLroot Don't know if this will help but I saw TLroot associated with the entry for C:\TexLive2005 in My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001 \Control\Session Manager\Environment (also TEXMFTEMP , TEXMFCNF, but nothing latex.exe specific) SH: I am a computist rather than a developer, so take this ? with a grain of salt as I'm asking out of curiousity. I thought the TLroot value (the default C:\TexLive2005 in this case) could be used as a variable to check for C:\TLroot\texmf\miktex\bin where latex.exe lives? I'm in not challenging the method you adopted, just interested. The problem are the different available installers for TeXLive on Windows. I cannot assure that all registry entries are set by all installers. After looking at http://www.tug.org/texlive/windows.html I decided to use the PATH variable to check for the path to the latex.exe. But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? If yes my method doesn't find but anyway I'll change the code to prevent these kind of bugs in the future. thanks and regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: Also Uwe wrote: There are two versions available: - Complete; contains all programs listed above - Small; doesn't contain MiKTeX and GSview (to reduce the download time) [and from beta post: - GSview (optional)] SH: I don't seem to be able to print when using the Postscript viewer unless I've installed gswin32.exe I have each time been adding it to Path Prefix and on the overly safe side using the absolute path to C:\ghostgum\gsview\gswin32 under File formats. Does this mean that you can't print with GSview when it was installed using my installer? I tested this and it works for me without problems. If Ghostscript (gswin32.exe) isn't yet installed my installer installs it and GSview knows then where the gswin32.exe is located. So I can't see your problem or need a better description. No, I wrote perhaps a muddled: I would have tested your installer and Angus earlier, but with my limited skills, I evaluate the success of the install using Tex Information as one criteria, which the Angus install displays. I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. So testing only the Angus installer then required adding gsview to Path Prefix. I guess I consider that a milder shortcoming since a user can readily fix it. I suppose it is my biased preference for using gsview which explains its lack of objective developer prioritizing. Both installers certainly have merit; I tested yours only twice mainly for the ability to install to C:\Lyx as well as Progra~1. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
I wrote: But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? I forgot to ask if C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin was/is in your PATH variable when you installed TeXLive. If not what TeXLive stuff is in your PATH. thanks and regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: I decided to use the PATH variable to check for the path to the latex.exe. But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? If yes my method doesn't find but anyway I'll change the code to prevent these kind of bugs in the future. thanks and regards Uwe Oh, I did that from memory, let me see. Directory of E:\TeXLive2005 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR . 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR .. 11/07/2005 05:12 AM15,017 dir.txt 11/07/2005 01:08 AM83,041 tlpm.log 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR texmf-local 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR temp 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR setup-win32 11/15/2005 04:53 PM 0 texliv05.txt 3 File(s) 98,058 bytes 5 Dir(s) 1,533,841,408 bytes free SH: I'm getting short of space on my storage partition which is why I deleted ProText. I'm not sure, this may be just the directory I used to install from. I will send sh.exe as an attachment. I will rename it sh.zip because of filters so rename it back if you use it. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive I wrote: But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? I forgot to ask if C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin was/is in your PATH variable when you installed TeXLive. If not what TeXLive stuff is in your PATH. thanks and regards Uwe I've already cleaned my Windows path statement so can't check it to be sure. I do remember using the browse button in the Angus installer to navigate to the Texlive2005 subdir containing latex.exe because the installer would not let me proceed until it found a latex.exe I think it was the path you give. I have Miktex/latex.exe in my windows path statement now. But that is something I do after I finish installing LyX, not after installing Latex, not before. I don't remember if TexLive appended by itself to the Windows path either. So C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin was not in my windows path before installing LyX. I might have put it there afterwards before deleting it. I'm only sure about manually inputting into the LyX installation. I have to write out a grocery list now too, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris wrote: I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. I found the bug now. I simply forgot to ship the find.exe from MSYS with my installer. I'll upload a new version of the installer soon. regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. I found the bug now. I simply forgot to ship the find.exe from MSYS with my installer. I'll upload a new version of the installer soon. regards Uwe Great! I will test it. TexLive2005 is still on my E: drive, maybe enough of it to install. Do you still want to see if your installer works with TexLive2005? I will have some time later this week, though not the ProTeXt. Did you run some sort of diff or comparison utility? Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive the new installer version 0.2 https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117release_id=7989 now recognizes also TeXLive. The various TeXLive Win-installers don't write something special to the registry so that I serach for the path to the latex.exe in the PATH variable. Stephen, can you find out if TeXlive has an entry in the registry so that the Windows installer can check for its existence? I think the default install directory is C:\TexLive2005, I don't remember any choice for changing the directory which is called TLroot Don't know if this will help but I saw TLroot associated with the entry for C:\TexLive2005 in My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001 \Control\Session Manager\Environment (also TEXMFTEMP , TEXMFCNF, but nothing latex.exe specific) SH: I am a computist rather than a developer, so take this ? with a grain of salt as I'm asking out of curiousity. I thought the TLroot value (the default C:\TexLive2005 in this case) could be used as a variable to check for C:\TLroot\texmf\miktex\bin where latex.exe lives? I'm in not challenging the method you adopted, just interested. I think the ~\texmf\miktex\bin\*.exe is the required structure. If a user installs protext then MiKTeX is installed as LaTeX distribution, so no change in the code was needed. (btw. the protext bundle is the same as my complete installer for LyX, it also comes with all necessary programs like GSView, spellchecker etc.) With the Angus installer I had to use the browse icon to navigate to latex.exe even though ProText uses the Miktex installation. Only our standard Miktex installation is recognized by default. The Miktex developer stated that the Miktex full iso was going (http://dojo.miktex.org/blogs/christian_schenk/archive/category/1005.aspx) to be used for the Miktex in ProText released along with TL2005 on the dvd only. ProTeXt includes the trial version of WinEdt but there is very little difference between the Protext cd and the Miktex cd. The Protext version has a different gui for updating Miktex. Stephen could you please test if the installer recognizes your TeXLive distribution (when thepath to the latex.exe of TeXLive is in the PATH variable). Many thanks in advance. (When you also have MiKTeX installed LyXWin will use this one instead of TeXLive because MiKTeX is much easier to use, especially when a LaTeX-package is missing and should be installed.) regards Uwe I got into a discussion with Jean-Pierre Chrétien Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp about the relative merits of switching to ProText from the web install of Miktex. So I tried TexLive2005 full install first, and it was bloated. I then tried Protext which has almost the same version number as the Mitex cd md-2.4.2025.iso.bz2 19-Jul-2005 14:34 340M which worked well enough, but it comes bundled with TeXnicCenter which is no help for a LyX user and a soso Mitex Options gui. So after deleting Texlive2005 and ProText, I tested the Mitex iso and that worked very well. But then I had occasion to investigate a net install of Mitex. So I deleted the Mixtex cd install and used the Miktex net total install choosing to store all the cabs on disk. This also works great and seems very close in content to the full iso. To make a long story short, I've already deleted the TeXlive2005 and am using the net installed Miktex for troubleshooting now. I would have tested your installer and Angus earlier, but with my limited skills, I evaluate the success of the install using Tex Information as one criteria, which the Angus install displays. I didn't test the Angus 1.3.7 install with the other Miktex/Protext versions because I like to install LyX to C:\LyX, which both of the WinLyX 1.3.6 installers do well. I do like your installer. Also Uwe wrote: There are two versions available: - Complete; contains all programs listed above - Small; doesn't contain MiKTeX and GSview (to reduce the download time) [and from beta post: - GSview (optional)] SH: I don't seem to be able to print when using the Postscript viewer unless I've installed gswin32.exe I have each time been adding it to Path Prefix and on the overly safe side using the absolute path to C:\ghostgum\gsview\gswin32 under File formats. How do you print without GSview? Well, maybe printing from postscript is an unappreciated option for most users? Maybe because pdf is available, but postscript has text extract that works on some pdf files when Adobe doesn't. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris wrote: Also Uwe wrote: There are two versions available: - Complete; contains all programs listed above - Small; doesn't contain MiKTeX and GSview (to reduce the download time) [and from beta post: - GSview (optional)] SH: I don't seem to be able to print when using the Postscript viewer unless I've installed gswin32.exe I have each time been adding it to Path Prefix and on the overly safe side using the absolute path to C:\ghostgum\gsview\gswin32 under File formats. Does this mean that you can't print with GSview when it was installed using my installer? I tested this and it works for me without problems. If Ghostscript (gswin32.exe) isn't yet installed my installer installs it and GSview knows then where the gswin32.exe is located. So I can't see your problem or need a better description. How do you print without GSview? Well, maybe printing from postscript is an unappreciated option for most users? PDF is now THE printing format in most offices. But I decide to include it not to the Small installer because to install it you have to use its own installer (installing it silently directly with my installer is very very complicated). So if it is not included the Small installer needn't to start external installers which simplifies the installations process. But if also other users want GSview to be included I'll think about it. regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris wrote: I think the default install directory is C:\TexLive2005, I don't remember any choice for changing the directory which is called TLroot Don't know if this will help but I saw TLroot associated with the entry for C:\TexLive2005 in My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001 \Control\Session Manager\Environment (also TEXMFTEMP , TEXMFCNF, but nothing latex.exe specific) SH: I am a computist rather than a developer, so take this ? with a grain of salt as I'm asking out of curiousity. I thought the TLroot value (the default C:\TexLive2005 in this case) could be used as a variable to check for C:\TLroot\texmf\miktex\bin where latex.exe lives? I'm in not challenging the method you adopted, just interested. The problem are the different available installers for TeXLive on Windows. I cannot assure that all registry entries are set by all installers. After looking at http://www.tug.org/texlive/windows.html I decided to use the PATH variable to check for the path to the latex.exe. But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? If yes my method doesn't find but anyway I'll change the code to prevent these kind of bugs in the future. thanks and regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: Also Uwe wrote: There are two versions available: - Complete; contains all programs listed above - Small; doesn't contain MiKTeX and GSview (to reduce the download time) [and from beta post: - GSview (optional)] SH: I don't seem to be able to print when using the Postscript viewer unless I've installed gswin32.exe I have each time been adding it to Path Prefix and on the overly safe side using the absolute path to C:\ghostgum\gsview\gswin32 under File formats. Does this mean that you can't print with GSview when it was installed using my installer? I tested this and it works for me without problems. If Ghostscript (gswin32.exe) isn't yet installed my installer installs it and GSview knows then where the gswin32.exe is located. So I can't see your problem or need a better description. No, I wrote perhaps a muddled: I would have tested your installer and Angus earlier, but with my limited skills, I evaluate the success of the install using Tex Information as one criteria, which the Angus install displays. I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. So testing only the Angus installer then required adding gsview to Path Prefix. I guess I consider that a milder shortcoming since a user can readily fix it. I suppose it is my biased preference for using gsview which explains its lack of objective developer prioritizing. Both installers certainly have merit; I tested yours only twice mainly for the ability to install to C:\Lyx as well as Progra~1. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
I wrote: But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? I forgot to ask if C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin was/is in your PATH variable when you installed TeXLive. If not what TeXLive stuff is in your PATH. thanks and regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: I decided to use the PATH variable to check for the path to the latex.exe. But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? If yes my method doesn't find but anyway I'll change the code to prevent these kind of bugs in the future. thanks and regards Uwe Oh, I did that from memory, let me see. Directory of E:\TeXLive2005 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR . 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR .. 11/07/2005 05:12 AM15,017 dir.txt 11/07/2005 01:08 AM83,041 tlpm.log 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR texmf-local 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR temp 11/07/2005 11:20 PMDIR setup-win32 11/15/2005 04:53 PM 0 texliv05.txt 3 File(s) 98,058 bytes 5 Dir(s) 1,533,841,408 bytes free SH: I'm getting short of space on my storage partition which is why I deleted ProText. I'm not sure, this may be just the directory I used to install from. I will send sh.exe as an attachment. I will rename it sh.zip because of filters so rename it back if you use it. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive I wrote: But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? I forgot to ask if C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin was/is in your PATH variable when you installed TeXLive. If not what TeXLive stuff is in your PATH. thanks and regards Uwe I've already cleaned my Windows path statement so can't check it to be sure. I do remember using the browse button in the Angus installer to navigate to the Texlive2005 subdir containing latex.exe because the installer would not let me proceed until it found a latex.exe I think it was the path you give. I have Miktex/latex.exe in my windows path statement now. But that is something I do after I finish installing LyX, not after installing Latex, not before. I don't remember if TexLive appended by itself to the Windows path either. So C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin was not in my windows path before installing LyX. I might have put it there afterwards before deleting it. I'm only sure about manually inputting into the LyX installation. I have to write out a grocery list now too, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris wrote: I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. I found the bug now. I simply forgot to ship the find.exe from MSYS with my installer. I'll upload a new version of the installer soon. regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. I found the bug now. I simply forgot to ship the find.exe from MSYS with my installer. I'll upload a new version of the installer soon. regards Uwe Great! I will test it. TexLive2005 is still on my E: drive, maybe enough of it to install. Do you still want to see if your installer works with TexLive2005? I will have some time later this week, though not the ProTeXt. Did you run some sort of diff or comparison utility? Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Angus Leeming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Stephen Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive the new installer version 0.2 https://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5117_id=7989 now recognizes also TeXLive. The various TeXLive Win-installers don't write something special to the registry so that I serach for the path to the latex.exe in the PATH variable. Stephen, can you find out if TeXlive has an entry in the registry so that the Windows installer can check for its existence? I think the default install directory is C:\TexLive2005, I don't remember any choice for changing the directory which is called "TLroot" Don't know if this will help but I saw TLroot associated with the entry for C:\TexLive2005 in My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001 \Control\Session Manager\Environment (also TEXMFTEMP , TEXMFCNF, but nothing latex.exe specific) SH: I am a computist rather than a developer, so take this ? with a grain of salt as I'm asking out of curiousity. I thought the TLroot value (the default C:\TexLive2005 in this case) could be used as a variable to check for C:\TLroot\texmf\miktex\bin where latex.exe lives? I'm in not challenging the method you adopted, just interested. I think the ~\texmf\miktex\bin\*.exe is the required structure. If a user installs "protext" then MiKTeX is installed as LaTeX distribution, so no change in the code was needed. (btw. the protext bundle is the same as my "complete" installer for LyX, it also comes with all necessary programs like GSView, spellchecker etc.) With the Angus installer I had to use the browse icon to navigate to latex.exe even though ProText uses the Miktex installation. Only our "standard" Miktex installation is recognized by default. The Miktex developer stated that the Miktex full iso was going (http://dojo.miktex.org/blogs/christian_schenk/archive/category/1005.aspx) to be used for the Miktex in ProText released along with TL2005 on the dvd only. ProTeXt includes the trial version of WinEdt but there is very little difference between the Protext cd and the Miktex cd. The Protext version has a different gui for updating Miktex. Stephen could you please test if the installer recognizes your TeXLive distribution (when thepath to the latex.exe of TeXLive is in the PATH variable). Many thanks in advance. (When you also have MiKTeX installed LyXWin will use this one instead of TeXLive because MiKTeX is much easier to use, especially when a LaTeX-package is missing and should be installed.) regards Uwe I got into a discussion with Jean-Pierre Chrétien Subject: Re: TeXLive 2005, LyX and Windows xp about the relative merits of switching to ProText from the web install of Miktex. So I tried TexLive2005 full install first, and it was bloated. I then tried Protext which has almost the same version number as the Mitex cd md-2.4.2025.iso.bz2 19-Jul-2005 14:34 340M which worked well enough, but it comes bundled with TeXnicCenter which is no help for a LyX user and a soso Mitex Options gui. So after deleting Texlive2005 and ProText, I tested the Mitex iso and that worked very well. But then I had occasion to investigate a net install of Mitex. So I deleted the Mixtex cd install and used the Miktex net total install choosing to store all the cabs on disk. This also works great and seems very close in content to the full iso. To make a long story short, I've already deleted the TeXlive2005 and am using the net installed Miktex for troubleshooting now. I would have tested your installer and Angus earlier, but with my limited skills, I evaluate the success of the install using Tex Information as one criteria, which the Angus install displays. I didn't test the Angus 1.3.7 install with the other Miktex/Protext versions because I like to install LyX to C:\LyX, which both of the WinLyX 1.3.6 installers do well. I do like your installer. Also Uwe wrote: There are two versions available: - "Complete"; contains all programs listed above - "Small"; doesn't contain MiKTeX and GSview (to reduce the download time) [and from beta post: "- GSview (optional)"] SH: I don't seem to be able to print when using the Postscript viewer unless I've installed gswin32.exe I have each time been adding it to Path Prefix and on the overly safe side using the absolute path to C:\ghostgum\gsview\gswin32 under File formats. How do you print without GSview? Well, maybe printing from postscript is an unappreciated option for most users? Maybe because pdf is available, but postscript has text extract that works on some pdf files when Adobe doesn't. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris wrote: Also Uwe wrote: There are two versions available: - "Complete"; contains all programs listed above - "Small"; doesn't contain MiKTeX and GSview (to reduce the download time) [and from beta post: "- GSview (optional)"] SH: I don't seem to be able to print when using the Postscript viewer unless I've installed gswin32.exe I have each time been adding it to Path Prefix and on the overly safe side using the absolute path to C:\ghostgum\gsview\gswin32 under File formats. Does this mean that you can't print with GSview when it was installed using my installer? I tested this and it works for me without problems. If Ghostscript (gswin32.exe) isn't yet installed my installer installs it and GSview knows then where the gswin32.exe is located. So I can't see your problem or need a better description. How do you print without GSview? Well, maybe printing from postscript is an unappreciated option for most users? PDF is now THE printing format in most offices. But I decide to include it not to the "Small" installer because to install it you have to use its own installer (installing it silently directly with my installer is very very complicated). So if it is not included the Small installer needn't to start external installers which simplifies the installations process. But if also other users want GSview to be included I'll think about it. regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris wrote: I think the default install directory is C:\TexLive2005, I don't remember any choice for changing the directory which is called "TLroot" Don't know if this will help but I saw TLroot associated with the entry for C:\TexLive2005 in My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001 \Control\Session Manager\Environment (also TEXMFTEMP , TEXMFCNF, but nothing latex.exe specific) SH: I am a computist rather than a developer, so take this ? with a grain of salt as I'm asking out of curiousity. I thought the TLroot value (the default C:\TexLive2005 in this case) could be used as a variable to check for C:\TLroot\texmf\miktex\bin where latex.exe lives? I'm in not challenging the method you adopted, just interested. The problem are the different available installers for TeXLive on Windows. I cannot assure that all registry entries are set by all installers. After looking at http://www.tug.org/texlive/windows.html I decided to use the PATH variable to check for the path to the latex.exe. But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? If yes my method doesn't find but anyway I'll change the code to prevent these kind of bugs in the future. thanks and regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Stephen Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: Also Uwe wrote: There are two versions available: - "Complete"; contains all programs listed above - "Small"; doesn't contain MiKTeX and GSview (to reduce the download time) [and from beta post: "- GSview (optional)"] SH: I don't seem to be able to print when using the Postscript viewer unless I've installed gswin32.exe I have each time been adding it to Path Prefix and on the overly safe side using the absolute path to C:\ghostgum\gsview\gswin32 under File formats. Does this mean that you can't print with GSview when it was installed using my installer? I tested this and it works for me without problems. If Ghostscript (gswin32.exe) isn't yet installed my installer installs it and GSview knows then where the gswin32.exe is located. So I can't see your problem or need a better description. No, I wrote perhaps a muddled: I would have tested your installer and Angus earlier, but with my limited skills, I evaluate the success of the install using Tex Information as one criteria, which the Angus install displays. I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. So testing only the Angus installer then required adding gsview to Path Prefix. I guess I consider that a milder shortcoming since a user can readily fix it. I suppose it is my biased preference for using gsview which explains its lack of objective developer prioritizing. Both installers certainly have merit; I tested yours only twice mainly for the ability to install to C:\Lyx as well as Progra~1. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
I wrote: But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? I forgot to ask if C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin was/is in your PATH variable when you installed TeXLive. If not what TeXLive stuff is in your PATH. thanks and regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Stephen Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: I decided to use the PATH variable to check for the path to the latex.exe. But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? If yes my method doesn't find but anyway I'll change the code to prevent these kind of bugs in the future. thanks and regards Uwe Oh, I did that from memory, let me see. Directory of E:\TeXLive2005 11/07/2005 11:20 PM . 11/07/2005 11:20 PM .. 11/07/2005 05:12 AM15,017 dir.txt 11/07/2005 01:08 AM83,041 tlpm.log 11/07/2005 11:20 PM texmf-local 11/07/2005 11:20 PM temp 11/07/2005 11:20 PM setup-win32 11/15/2005 04:53 PM 0 texliv05.txt 3 File(s) 98,058 bytes 5 Dir(s) 1,533,841,408 bytes free SH: I'm getting short of space on my storage partition which is why I deleted ProText. I'm not sure, this may be just the directory I used to install from. I will send sh.exe as an attachment. I will rename it sh.zip because of filters so rename it back if you use it. Regards, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Stephen Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive I wrote: But does the latex.exe really live in C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin and not in C:\TexLive2005\bin\win32 as described in the webpage from above? I forgot to ask if C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin was/is in your PATH variable when you installed TeXLive. If not what TeXLive stuff is in your PATH. thanks and regards Uwe I've already cleaned my Windows path statement so can't check it to be sure. I do remember using the browse button in the Angus installer to navigate to the Texlive2005 subdir containing latex.exe because the installer would not let me proceed until it found a latex.exe I think it was the path you give. I have Miktex/latex.exe in my windows path statement now. But that is something I do after I finish installing LyX, not after installing Latex, not before. I don't remember if TexLive appended by itself to the Windows path either. So C:\TexLive2005\texmf\miktex\bin was not in my windows path before installing LyX. I might have put it there afterwards before deleting it. I'm only sure about manually inputting into the LyX installation. I have to write out a grocery list now too, Stephen
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
Stephen Harris wrote: I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. I found the bug now. I simply forgot to ship the "find.exe" from MSYS with my installer. I'll upload a new version of the installer soon. regards Uwe
Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive
- Original Message - From: "Uwe Stöhr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Stephen Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: LyX Windows installer and TeXLive Stephen Harris wrote: I meant that the reason I didn't test TeXlive2005, ProText, and the Miktex .iso installs with both installers was because your installer doesn't display Tex Information, which is one of my testing criteria and the Angus installer does. I found the bug now. I simply forgot to ship the "find.exe" from MSYS with my installer. I'll upload a new version of the installer soon. regards Uwe Great! I will test it. TexLive2005 is still on my E: drive, maybe enough of it to install. Do you still want to see if your installer works with TexLive2005? I will have some time later this week, though not the ProTeXt. Did you run some sort of diff or comparison utility? Regards, Stephen
