Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On Friday, March 8, 2019 2:08:08 PM PST Pavel Sanda wrote: > On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 01:58:56PM -0800, John White wrote: > > Yes. I have lyx 2.3.0 loaded. Lyx 2.3.2 is in the Debian Testing > > Repository. When I try to update to lyx 2.3.2 it affects about 40+ other > > programs, so I think I will wait for a while. I understand Debian is > > coming out with a later version (I use stretch) in a couple of months. > > If you use stretch-backports instead of testing, nothing except lyx should > be updated... P Thanks again. I now have 2.3.2 loaded. Not sure when I will be doing another brief but I will report on excess spacing matter soon as I do one. John
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On Thu, Mar 07, 2019 at 01:58:56PM -0800, John White wrote: > Yes. I have lyx 2.3.0 loaded. Lyx 2.3.2 is in the Debian Testing Repository. > When I > try to update to lyx 2.3.2 it affects about 40+ other programs, so I think I > will wait for > a while. I understand Debian is coming out with a later version (I use > stretch) in a > couple of months. If you use stretch-backports instead of testing, nothing except lyx should be updated... P
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On 3/7/19 4:58 PM, John White wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2019 4:04:35 PM PST Paul A. Rubin wrote: > On 3/7/19 3:09 PM, John White wrote: > > Hi Paul and thanks much. > > > > Changing the text to single space and then changing back to double > > space works! This is much faster than putting in -.2 or -3 in the > > custom vertical space dialog box before each offending extra-space. > > Seems to me that in the 10 years or so that I have been using lyx I > > should have discovered this earlier on my own. Mea Culpa. > > > > BUT, it sure seems to me that we should not need to go from Double > > Space to Single Space and then back again just to ensure even spacing > > between paragraphs. I generally make quotations single space and > > normal argument in double space. Going from one to the other in a > > draft risks confusion in the final document. > > > > Do you think I should enter a bug report? I don't recall having ever > > done one, but suppose I could figure it out. > > > > John > > I think you said you were using LyX 2.3.0? I would first upgrade to > 2.3.2 and see if the problem can be reproduced (by which I mean you can > enter a new document and create the same problem). > > I've tried to reproduce your example here from scratch (in 2.3.2), but > have not found a way to do it. Any time I add an item to a double spaced > list, change between Enumerate and Enumerate-Resume, or try any other > sequence that comes to mind, LyX 2.3.2 spots the consecutive > double-spacing environments and merges them. So it's possible that > whatever editing sequence got you into this mess no longer does so. That > won't fix old files that have the back-to-back line spacing environments > -- your test file has the extra space when I compile it -- but if its > very difficult/impossible to create the problem going forward, I'm not > sure it's worth a bug report. > > Paul Yes. I have lyx 2.3.0 loaded. Lyx 2.3.2 is in the Debian Testing Repository. When I try to update to lyx 2.3.2 it affects about 40+ other programs, so I think I will wait for a while. I understand Debian is coming out with a later version (I use stretch) in a couple of months. Now that I know your double-space/single-space/double-space trick, the wait will be more than bearable. John When strange things happen in LaTeX output, I usually find it helpful to do the View > Code Preview Pane (might have had a different name in 2.3.0) trick, setting the format to LaTeX rather than LyX, in the hope of seeing something anomalous or interesting. Good luck, Paul
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 4:04:35 PM PST Paul A. Rubin wrote: > On 3/7/19 3:09 PM, John White wrote: > > Hi Paul and thanks much. > > > > Changing the text to single space and then changing back to double > > space works! This is much faster than putting in -.2 or -3 in the > > custom vertical space dialog box before each offending extra-space. > > Seems to me that in the 10 years or so that I have been using lyx I > > should have discovered this earlier on my own. Mea Culpa. > > > > BUT, it sure seems to me that we should not need to go from Double > > Space to Single Space and then back again just to ensure even spacing > > between paragraphs. I generally make quotations single space and > > normal argument in double space. Going from one to the other in a > > draft risks confusion in the final document. > > > > Do you think I should enter a bug report? I don't recall having ever > > done one, but suppose I could figure it out. > > > > John > > I think you said you were using LyX 2.3.0? I would first upgrade to > 2.3.2 and see if the problem can be reproduced (by which I mean you can > enter a new document and create the same problem). > > I've tried to reproduce your example here from scratch (in 2.3.2), but > have not found a way to do it. Any time I add an item to a double spaced > list, change between Enumerate and Enumerate-Resume, or try any other > sequence that comes to mind, LyX 2.3.2 spots the consecutive > double-spacing environments and merges them. So it's possible that > whatever editing sequence got you into this mess no longer does so. That > won't fix old files that have the back-to-back line spacing environments > -- your test file has the extra space when I compile it -- but if its > very difficult/impossible to create the problem going forward, I'm not > sure it's worth a bug report. > > Paul Yes. I have lyx 2.3.0 loaded. Lyx 2.3.2 is in the Debian Testing Repository. When I try to update to lyx 2.3.2 it affects about 40+ other programs, so I think I will wait for a while. I understand Debian is coming out with a later version (I use stretch) in a couple of months. Now that I know your double-space/single-space/double-space trick, the wait will be more than bearable. John
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On 3/7/19 3:09 PM, John White wrote: Hi Paul and thanks much. Changing the text to single space and then changing back to double space works! This is much faster than putting in -.2 or -3 in the custom vertical space dialog box before each offending extra-space. Seems to me that in the 10 years or so that I have been using lyx I should have discovered this earlier on my own. Mea Culpa. BUT, it sure seems to me that we should not need to go from Double Space to Single Space and then back again just to ensure even spacing between paragraphs. I generally make quotations single space and normal argument in double space. Going from one to the other in a draft risks confusion in the final document. Do you think I should enter a bug report? I don't recall having ever done one, but suppose I could figure it out. John I think you said you were using LyX 2.3.0? I would first upgrade to 2.3.2 and see if the problem can be reproduced (by which I mean you can enter a new document and create the same problem). I've tried to reproduce your example here from scratch (in 2.3.2), but have not found a way to do it. Any time I add an item to a double spaced list, change between Enumerate and Enumerate-Resume, or try any other sequence that comes to mind, LyX 2.3.2 spots the consecutive double-spacing environments and merges them. So it's possible that whatever editing sequence got you into this mess no longer does so. That won't fix old files that have the back-to-back line spacing environments -- your test file has the extra space when I compile it -- but if its very difficult/impossible to create the problem going forward, I'm not sure it's worth a bug report. Paul
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
Hi Paul and thanks much. Changing the text to single space and then changing back to double space works! This is much faster than putting in -.2 or -3 in the custom vertical space dialog box before each offending extra-space. Seems to me that in the 10 years or so that I have been using lyx I should have discovered this earlier on my own. Mea Culpa. BUT, it sure seems to me that we should not need to go from Double Space to Single Space and then back again just to ensure even spacing between paragraphs. I generally make quotations single space and normal argument in double space. Going from one to the other in a draft risks confusion in the final document. Do you think I should enter a bug report? I don't recall having ever done one, but suppose I could figure it out. John On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:11:09 PM PST Paul A. Rubin wrote: > On 3/5/19 11:21 AM, John White wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:30:36 AM PST Guenter Milde wrote: > > > On 2019-03-04, John White wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:04:22 AM PST Richard Kimberly Heck > > > > wrote: > > > >> On 2/7/19 12:35 AM, John White wrote: > > > >> > 2.3.0 on debian stretch. Article class. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > I love lyx, but for years I have been bothered by its tendency to > > > >> > > > > >> > often put too much blank space between different paragraphs, > > > > sections, > > > > > >> > quotations, etc. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Far as I know, the only way to fix this is to insert vertical > > > > space, > > > > > >> > e.g. insert/formating/vertical space/custom -.2 in or some > > > > such. Quite > > > > > >> > time consuming. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Anyone know a better way? > > > > > > Do you use indendation or vertical space (parindent vs. parskip) to > > > > separate > > > > > paragraphs? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a long-standing bug with parskip: > > > > > > https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4796 > > > > > > > > > > > > Günter > > > > Thanks, > > > > I was using indentation but switching to vertical space did not help. > > I am attaching the same file with vertical space and the generated pdf > > so you can see. The problem is the excess space between paragraphs 2 > > and 3. > > > > John > > I don't think it's a function of parskip or any tweaking of space. As I > mentioned before, exiting and then entering double-spacing seems to be > the culprit. > > Paul
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On 3/5/19 11:21 AM, John White wrote: On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:30:36 AM PST Guenter Milde wrote: > On 2019-03-04, John White wrote: > > On Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:04:22 AM PST Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > >> On 2/7/19 12:35 AM, John White wrote: > >> > 2.3.0 on debian stretch. Article class. > >> > > >> > I love lyx, but for years I have been bothered by its tendency to > >> > often put too much blank space between different paragraphs, sections, > >> > quotations, etc. > >> > > >> > Far as I know, the only way to fix this is to insert vertical space, > >> > e.g. insert/formating/vertical space/custom -.2 in or some such. Quite > >> > time consuming. > >> > > >> > Anyone know a better way? > > Do you use indendation or vertical space (parindent vs. parskip) to separate > paragraphs? > > There is a long-standing bug with parskip: > https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4796 > > Günter Thanks, I was using indentation but switching to vertical space did not help. I am attaching the same file with vertical space and the generated pdf so you can see. The problem is the excess space between paragraphs 2 and 3. John I don't think it's a function of parskip or any tweaking of space. As I mentioned before, exiting and then entering double-spacing seems to be the culprit. Paul
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:30:36 AM PST Guenter Milde wrote: > On 2019-03-04, John White wrote: > > On Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:04:22 AM PST Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > >> On 2/7/19 12:35 AM, John White wrote: > >> > 2.3.0 on debian stretch. Article class. > >> > > >> > I love lyx, but for years I have been bothered by its tendency to > >> > often put too much blank space between different paragraphs, sections, > >> > quotations, etc. > >> > > >> > Far as I know, the only way to fix this is to insert vertical space, > >> > e.g. insert/formating/vertical space/custom -.2 in or some such. Quite > >> > time consuming. > >> > > >> > Anyone know a better way? > > Do you use indendation or vertical space (parindent vs. parskip) to separate > paragraphs? > > There is a long-standing bug with parskip: > https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4796 > > Günter Thanks, I was using indentation but switching to vertical space did not help. I am attaching the same file with vertical space and the generated pdf so you can see. The problem is the excess space between paragraphs 2 and 3. John lyx-example.lyx Description: application/lyx lyx-example.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On 2019-03-04, John White wrote: > On Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:04:22 AM PST Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: >> On 2/7/19 12:35 AM, John White wrote: >> > 2.3.0 on debian stretch. Article class. >> > >> > I love lyx, but for years I have been bothered by its tendency to >> > often put too much blank space between different paragraphs, sections, >> > quotations, etc. >> > >> > Far as I know, the only way to fix this is to insert vertical space, >> > e.g. insert/formating/vertical space/custom -.2 in or some such. Quite >> > time consuming. >> > >> > Anyone know a better way? Do you use indendation or vertical space (parindent vs. parskip) to separate paragraphs? There is a long-standing bug with parskip: https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/4796 Günter
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On 3/4/19 3:07 PM, John White wrote:
On Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:04:22 AM PST Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:
> On 2/7/19 12:35 AM, John White wrote:
> > 2.3.0 on debian stretch. Article class.
> >
> >
> >
> > I love lyx, but for years I have been bothered by its tendency to
> > often put too much blank space between different paragraphs, sections,
> > quotations, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Far as I know, the only way to fix this is to insert vertical space,
> > e.g. insert/formating/vertical space/custom -.2 in or some such. Quite
> > time consuming.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone know a better way?
>
> It would help if you could post a simple file where this happens.
> Probably this is due to LaTeX adding such space to make the pages all be
> the same length. If you put \raggedbottom in ERT at the start of your
> file, then this will not happen. But the pages will vary in text size.
> See e.g.
>
> https://latex.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4209
>
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/65355/flushbottom-vs-raggedbottom
>
> Riki
Thanks for the tip but \raggedbottom in ERT (or preamble) did not seem
to help. I am attaching an example .lyx file. On my system there is
too much space between paragraphs 2 and 3.
John
John,
If you select View > Code Preview Pane and set the controls in the pane
to pdflatex format and "Body Only" for the view, you will see the
following structure:
\begin{doublespace}
\item That on or about ... Exhibit 5.
\item That on June ... Exhibit 6.
\end{doublespace}
\begin{doublespace}
\item That Joe ... each of . . .
\end{doublespace}
So you somehow dropped out of double spacing after item 2 and resumed it
before item 3. I'm pretty sure that's the culprit. I did Ctrl-A to
select everything, used the paragraph dialog to set default (single)
line spacing and then set double spacing, compiled with pdflatex and the
spacing was fixed.
So the question is, what might you have done to exit and then resume
double spacing? Did you by any chance write the first two items, set the
spacing on them, add the third item and then fix its spacing?
Paul
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:04:22 AM PST Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > On 2/7/19 12:35 AM, John White wrote: > > 2.3.0 on debian stretch. Article class. > > > > > > > > I love lyx, but for years I have been bothered by its tendency to > > often put too much blank space between different paragraphs, sections, > > quotations, etc. > > > > > > > > Far as I know, the only way to fix this is to insert vertical space, > > e.g. insert/formating/vertical space/custom -.2 in or some such. Quite > > time consuming. > > > > > > > > Anyone know a better way? > > It would help if you could post a simple file where this happens. > Probably this is due to LaTeX adding such space to make the pages all be > the same length. If you put \raggedbottom in ERT at the start of your > file, then this will not happen. But the pages will vary in text size. > See e.g. > > https://latex.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4209 > https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/65355/flushbottom-vs-raggedbottom > > Riki Thanks for the tip but \raggedbottom in ERT (or preamble) did not seem to help. I am attaching an example .lyx file. On my system there is too much space between paragraphs 2 and 3. John lyx-example.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: excessive spacing between sections, quotations etc
On 2/7/19 12:35 AM, John White wrote: > > 2.3.0 on debian stretch. Article class. > > > > I love lyx, but for years I have been bothered by its tendency to > often put too much blank space between different paragraphs, sections, > quotations, etc. > > > > Far as I know, the only way to fix this is to insert vertical space, > e.g. insert/formating/vertical space/custom -.2 in or some such. Quite > time consuming. > > > > Anyone know a better way? > It would help if you could post a simple file where this happens. Probably this is due to LaTeX adding such space to make the pages all be the same length. If you put \raggedbottom in ERT at the start of your file, then this will not happen. But the pages will vary in text size. See e.g. https://latex.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4209 https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/65355/flushbottom-vs-raggedbottom Riki
