Sort order in the index
Hi Herbert how do I get XINDEX to become the index processor? Because it is not selectable with me. With the tools I can choose: custom makeindex texindy xindy I selected "custom" and entered "xindex" as the command. But in the document settings I can select the following options: default makeindex texindy xindy I selected "texindy" and entered "-L german-duden -C utf8" as the option. Is that the solution you mean? Because it doesn't sound entirely logical and conclusive to me. But it works. Does it just work by chance? Am I doing it right or is it awkward? You see how insecure I am. Greetings Andreas Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Juli 2021 um 14:00 Uhr Von: lyx-users-requ...@lists.lyx.org An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Betreff: lyx-users Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4 Send lyx-users mailing list submissions to lyx-users@lists.lyx.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lyx-users-requ...@lists.lyx.org You can reach the person managing the list at lyx-users-ow...@lists.lyx.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of lyx-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sort order in the index (Herbert Voss) 2. Sort order in the index (Andreas Plihal) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 17:03:39 +0200 From: Herbert Voss To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Sort order in the index Message-ID: <382c1af8-3c87-b6fe-bffa-f9fecfb7a...@fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Am 19.07.21 um 12:25 schrieb Andreas Plihal: > The way the result looks now, it's just _almost _good. I want the > register to treat umlauts like normal vowels and not replace ? with AE > etc. > fangfor example: > > * ... > * analytisch > * ?nderung > * Anfang > * ... > > In the literature this is referred to as the so-called Duden order. > (DIN 5007, section 2). And this is the _default_ for xindex ... Herbert -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:45:12 +0200 From: Andreas Plihal To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Sort order in the index Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.lyx.org/pipermail/lyx-users/attachments/20210720/d93f0cfe/attachment.html> -- Subject: Digest Footer lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users -- End of lyx-users Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4 -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
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Now I have found the solution! In order to implement the German Duden order in the subject index, I entered Document Settings > Index > Processor = texindy and Options = "- L german-duden -C utf8". Now it works fine! Thanks for your help! Greetings Andreas Gesendet: Montag, 19. Juli 2021 um 16:58 Uhr Von: lyx-users-requ...@lists.lyx.org An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Betreff: lyx-users Digest, Vol 95, Issue 3 Send lyx-users mailing list submissions to lyx-users@lists.lyx.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lyx-users-requ...@lists.lyx.org You can reach the person managing the list at lyx-users-ow...@lists.lyx.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of lyx-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Sort order in the index (Andreas Plihal) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:25:45 +0200 From: Andreas Plihal To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Sort order in the index Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.lyx.org/pipermail/lyx-users/attachments/20210719/d540cd58/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Buch-Struktur3.lyx Type: application/lyx Size: 161921 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.lyx.org/pipermail/lyx-users/attachments/20210719/d540cd58/attachment.bin> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Buch-Struktur3.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 257786 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.lyx.org/pipermail/lyx-users/attachments/20210719/d540cd58/attachment.pdf> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: document-settings.PNG Type: image/png Size: 27788 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.lyx.org/pipermail/lyx-users/attachments/20210719/d540cd58/attachment.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sort-order.PNG Type: image/png Size: 6076 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.lyx.org/pipermail/lyx-users/attachments/20210719/d540cd58/attachment-0001.png> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tools-output.PNG Type: image/png Size: 30481 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.lyx.org/pipermail/lyx-users/attachments/20210719/d540cd58/attachment-0002.png> -- Subject: Digest Footer lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users -- End of lyx-users Digest, Vol 95, Issue 3 -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Sort order in the index
Am 19.07.21 um 12:25 schrieb Andreas Plihal: The way the result looks now, it's just _almost _good. I want the register to treat umlauts like normal vowels and not replace Ä with AE etc. fangfor example: * ... * analytisch * Änderung * Anfang * ... In the literature this is referred to as the so-called Duden order. (DIN 5007, section 2). And this is the _default_ for xindex ... Herbert -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Sort order in the index
Am 18.07.21 um 13:54 schrieb Andreas Plihal: I set the index processor to standard in the document settings. (There is still makeindex in the tools - there is no standard there. Why do you define that in two places ???) It is a limitation of the current yX version that you can not choose xindex as _program_ As a result (unfortunately) my default setting - which Jürgen Spitzmüller advised me some time ago - has become ineffective. Now I get - after several indexless attempts! - finally my "Sachregister" again. But the sorting is completely wrong. All umlauts are output at the end. This does not correspond to the Duden regulations! This is not possible with xindex, so I do not know what you are doing ... xindex sorts by default Ö->O but with xindex --config DIN2 it sorts with Ö->Oe Herbert -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Sort order in the index
I set the index processor to standard in the document settings. (There is still makeindex in the tools - there is no standard there. Why do you define that in two places ???)
As a result (unfortunately) my default setting - which Jürgen Spitzmüller advised me some time ago - has become ineffective.
Now I get - after several indexless attempts! - finally my "Sachregister" again. But the sorting is completely wrong. All umlauts are output at the end. This does not correspond to the Duden regulations!
Greetings
Andreas
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Am 17.07.21 um 16:11 schrieb Andreas Plihal:
> Here we go ...
In the documents preamble allow the execution of external programs.
Do _not_ use texindy! It makes no sense to have two different Index programs
running. Leave all fields as? standard in the documents setting.
I get the attached index with the also attached LyX source
Herbert
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Re: Sort order in the index
In Preferences (see the attachment) 2.3.6.2 on the Mac el On 15/07/2021 15:11, Andreas Plihal wrote: [...] To Eberhard Lisse, how can i even add a custom one? Greetings Andreas [...] -- To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el' -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Sort order in the index
Am 15.07.21 um 10:37 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Herbert,
I am being offered makeindex, texindy and xindy.
In that case (LyX < 2.4) write into the documents preamble:
\usepackage[imakeidx]{xindex}
\makeindex
This runs xindex in the background.
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To Herbert Voss, on the home page www.lyx.org the current version 2.3.6.1 is recommended! Higher versions are most likely beta versions that I don't want to use. To Eberhard Lisse, how can i even add a custom one? Greetings Andreas Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Juli 2021 um 14:00 Uhr Von: lyx-users-requ...@lists.lyx.org An: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Betreff: lyx-users Digest, Vol 94, Issue 7 Send lyx-users mailing list submissions to lyx-users@lists.lyx.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to lyx-users-requ...@lists.lyx.org You can reach the person managing the list at lyx-users-ow...@lists.lyx.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of lyx-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Libertinus and AnonymousPro fonts (Kornel Benko) 2. Re: Libertinus and AnonymousPro fonts (Dr Eberhard Lisse) 3. Re: Sort order in the index (Dr Eberhard Lisse) 4. Re: Sort order in the index (Herbert Voss) 5. Sort order in the index (Andreas Plihal) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 17:15:20 +0200 From: Kornel Benko To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Libertinus and AnonymousPro fonts Message-ID: <20210714171520.32bd4745@admin1-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Am Wed, 14 Jul 2021 16:26:17 +0200 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann : > Am 14.07.21 um 16:20 schrieb Kornel Benko: > > Am Wed, 14 Jul 2021 15:50:05 +0200 > > schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann : > > > >>> > >>> Lyx2.4 knows libertinus BTW. > >> That's good. From where does one get it? It is not in > >> https://www.lyx.org/Download > > > > From TL. Like Latin modern, libertine and co. > > I meant, from where do I get Lyx 2.4 > Wolfgang You could compile in cmake-environment. The compiled package has about 30MB. Kornel -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP URL: <http://lists.lyx.org/pipermail/lyx-users/attachments/20210714/5fcf4ae3/attachment-0001.asc> -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 20:33:15 +0200 From: Dr Eberhard Lisse To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Libertinus and AnonymousPro fonts Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Wolfgang, It is being developed, I think not even in beta. The latest (for the Mac) is LyX 2.3.6.2 (2021-01-07) LyX can export into lower versions but it's better to have the same version with all collborators. If you have homebrew it'll update itself by itself :-)-O. Otherwise, read this newsgroup and look for the announcement. Perhaps even wait a week or two after the announcement in case of a short term update being required. Once it's out just install it on top of 2.3.6(*). It is not a good idea to have two different versions as 2.3.6 can't read 2.4 files only the other way round. el On 2021-07-14 15:50 , Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > >> >> Lyx2.4 knows libertinus BTW. > That's good. From where does one get it? It is not in > https://www.lyx.org/Download > > Since I work with colleagues on a book, I would like to have it in > addition to 2.3.6 Could someone point out how to do that? > > Wolfgang -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:37:36 +0200 From: Dr Eberhard Lisse To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Sort order in the index Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Herbert, I am being offered makeindex, texindy and xindy. All, I know I can add a custom one but does anyone know whether one of the above two (latter) also allow German sorting? Imust however confess that I write next to nothing in German. greetings, el On 14/07/2021 17:02, Herbert Voss wrote: > Andreas Plihal schrieb: >> >> >> I'm writing a KOMA book. >> >> >> >> Please: How can I force the DUDEN sort order in the index? So that >> the umlauts , and are sorted as if they were >> normal vowels A, O and U. > > Use the index program xindex and _not_ makeindex. > Werkzeuge->Einstellungen->Ausgabe->LaTeX > > See attched images for the configuration inside LyX. > > Herbert > > -- To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el' -- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:17:51 +0200 From: Herbert Voss To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: Sort order in the index Message-ID: <696174c6-2e5c-a23e-215a-bd6c1ce6e...@fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Am 15.07.21 um 10:37 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse:
Sort order in the index
Hi,
thanks for your suggestions.
Ad Herbert Voss:
I cannot select the index program xindex because it is not offered as a selection option.
Ad Joel Kulesza:
I wasn't sure how to create the index entries. I just entered \index{a@ä} etc. in the ERT. That didn't work. At first strange entries crept into the index: ü was suddenly under a. But since then the index has completely disappeared from the compiled PDF.inventory.
I am at a loss.
Greetings
Andreas
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Re: Sort order in the index
Am 15.07.21 um 10:37 schrieb Dr Eberhard Lisse: Herbert, I am being offered makeindex, texindy and xindy. I see, only for LyX 2.4 ... Herbert All, I know I can add a custom one but does anyone know whether one of the above two (latter) also allow German sorting? Imust however confess that I write next to nothing in German. greetings, el On 14/07/2021 17:02, Herbert Voss wrote: Andreas Plihal schrieb: I'm writing a KOMA book. Please: How can I force the DUDEN sort order in the index? So that the umlauts , and are sorted as if they were normal vowels A, O and U. Use the index program xindex and _not_ makeindex. Werkzeuge->Einstellungen->Ausgabe->LaTeX See attched images for the configuration inside LyX. Herbert -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Sort order in the index
Herbert, I am being offered makeindex, texindy and xindy. All, I know I can add a custom one but does anyone know whether one of the above two (latter) also allow German sorting? Imust however confess that I write next to nothing in German. greetings, el On 14/07/2021 17:02, Herbert Voss wrote: Andreas Plihal schrieb: I'm writing a KOMA book. Please: How can I force the DUDEN sort order in the index? So that the umlauts , and are sorted as if they were normal vowels A, O and U. Use the index program xindex and _not_ makeindex. Werkzeuge->Einstellungen->Ausgabe->LaTeX See attched images for the configuration inside LyX. Herbert -- To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el' -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Sort order in the index
Andreas Plihal schrieb: > > > Im writing a KOMA book. > > > > Please: How can I force the DUDEN sort order in the index? So that the > umlauts , and are sorted as if they were normal vowels > A, O and U. Use the index program xindex and _not_ makeindex. Werkzeuge->Einstellungen->Ausgabe->LaTeX See attched images for the configuration inside LyX. Herbert -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Sort order in the index
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:11 AM Andreas Plihal wrote: > Hi, > > I'm writing a KOMA book. > > Please: How can I force the DUDEN sort order in the index? So that the > umlauts Ä, Ö and Ü are sorted as if they were normal vowels A, O and U. > Please try making the index entry A@Ä, O@Ö, etc. I do that with the default index processor and it works. I hope this helps. - Joel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
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Hi, I'm writing a KOMA book. Please: How can I force the DUDEN sort order in the index? So that the umlauts Ä, Ö and Ü are sorted as if they were normal vowels A, O and U. Thanks for your help. Greetings Andreas -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
