Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-25 Thread Gordon Smith
Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-25 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
- Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 2:59 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi Esther Yes, these books are certainly available from us. We haven’t had the opportunity

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-25 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi I should make the point that although the operating system is now public, what went on in the test phase is very much still non-public. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- Information Technology Accessibility Consultant gor...@mac-access.net

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-24 Thread Bryan Jones
Hi Zach, Yes, I too have adjusted to using the VO+Shift+Home/End keystroke to move to top or bottom row ever since Apple removed the Option+up/down keystroke when they released Lion Mail. The Option+up/down arrow keystroke has remained available in Finder but has been missing in both Lion ML

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-24 Thread Laurel and Stockard
Hey guys, is updating to the Mavericks OS 10.9 hard? How long on average did it take you. I'm just curious before I actually do it. Thanks Laurel On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Zach, Yes, I too have adjusted to using the VO+Shift+Home/End keystroke to move to top or

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-24 Thread Josh Gregory
First off,it is worth noting that unlike previous updates, this update is free. It took me about… Perhaps an hour and a half once I downloaded and installed everything, it's not hard, it downloads an application that will walk you through it. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2013, at 2:56 PM,

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-24 Thread Laurel And Stockard
Is it necessary to back the computer up to the Time Machine in case the Mavericks assistant does not work first before you start the install? Laurel and Stockard On Oct 24, 2013, at 14:15, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: First off,it is worth noting that unlike previous updates,

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-24 Thread Josh Gregory
Yes, you should always, always perform backups. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Laurel And Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com wrote: Is it necessary to back the computer up to the Time Machine in case the Mavericks assistant does not work first before you start the

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Ian McNamara
Hi thanks for the heads up, please keep us updated when the system is suitable for voice over users to upgrade to. Ian McNamara --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Chris H
Updating my mac now and already have seen two incompatible updates so they must be for Mavericks only. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 23/10/2013 02:36, Linda C. Knight wrote: I am wondering if I need to update to the mavricks? Is it necessary? WouIf I don't

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Josh Gregory
If you don't really use iBooks I think it is, a couple weird things here and there but I guess that is to be expected. Certainly not as bad as iOS 7 Imo Sent from my iPhone On Oct 23, 2013, at 2:01 AM, Ian McNamara ianmcnamar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi thanks for the heads up, please keep us

Re: Mavericks and Mail, was: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread matthew dyer
on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Call me easy to please, but I am

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Geoff Stephens
I cannot duplicate any use at all for Option Up or Down Arrow in the message list. What am I missing? Is this only in classic view? I have not checked there. On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:17 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote: Bryan, That's great news. Does this work the same way it used to?

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Bryan Jones
Hi Jeff — This works for me as described in both classic standard views. Option+up or down arrow moves to top or bottom row of current column in current message list. I am running a pre-release version of Mavericks, so there’s a chance the folks at Apple removed this ability in the public

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi Jeff — This works for me as described in both classic standard views. Option+up or down arrow moves to top or bottom row of current column in current message list. I am running a pre-release version of Mavericks, so there’s a chance the folks at Apple

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-23 Thread Zachary Kline
. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:21 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi Jeff — This works for me as described

OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues unresolved

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Mike Arrigo
Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait to upgrade for

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
hey, i do know that VO now has language support witch means that some voices will read a german word in an english paragraph. On 23/10/2013, at 7:20 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote: Are there any new voiceover features? Original message: Hi All, Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks,

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
thanks zack, are you using the new update? On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Mike, A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have been addressed. Best,

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Zachary Kline
Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
there is absolutely nothing to be excited or enthusiastic about from the voiceover perspective in this release. I've been using this thing since developer preview II and have lived in hope that things might improve. Despite bugging lots not much has. Also, many of the existing annoyances

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Marshall
i see, thanks for letting me know. i'm so glad it's free, as it should be because the IOS update was. Michael On 23/10/2013, at 7:41 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases,

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Josh Gregory
After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and additionally a little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your Mac? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Bryan Jones
Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app ;-) -Bryan --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Esther
Bryan, That's great news. Does this work the same way it used to? By that I mean that you can use this to navigate threads (conversations) as well as your entire mailbox to go to the first or last message, by holding down the Option+Up or Down arrow key for a short time. And is it also worth

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and additionally a little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. I'll be interested to see what this has. Okay, optimizing your Mac? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2013, at 4

Mavericks and Mail, was: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Zachary Kline
, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Josh Gregory
4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some people

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Josh Gregory
://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Zachary Kline
me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Zachary Kline
Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install, and additionally a little startled when it restarted and said completing installation, it's now done. I'll be interested

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Josh Gregory
mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher Gilland
-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Josh Gregory
. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit After waiting about 45 minutes for it to install

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher Gilland
- Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Zachary Kline
-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Hi, Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually settle down. I just thought I should get

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Bryan Jones
Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately moves to the top or bottom message in the current mailbox. I am running the GM, so this behavior may be different in today’s public release.

RE: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Linda C. Knight
I am wondering if I need to update to the mavricks? Is it necessary? WouIf I don't update to Mavricks, would this interfere with updates to Mountain Lion? Or, will there be updates to Mountain Lion. Being a new mac user, I would appreciate any tips on this. Thanks. Hugs and 73 Linda C.

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter. http://www.twitter.com/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:46 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:30 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately moves to the top

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Zachary Kline
zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:46 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit The default for new documents seems to be wrap to page, which you don't want. Yo no you have it on the right setting when it tells you

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
/clgillandmusic - Original Message - From: Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com To: 'Mac OSX iOS Accessibility' mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:36 PM Subject: RE: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit I am wondering if I need to update to the mavricks? Is it necessary? WouIf I

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Zachary Kline
: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:30 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there seems to be no delay after pressing option+arrow. The focus immediately moves to the top or bottom message in the current mailbox. I am

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
- Original Message - From: Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:25 AM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit I have an iPad mini. It’s a great little device. Best, Zack. On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:23

Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

2013-10-22 Thread Christopher Gilland
- Original Message - From: Bryan Jones openses...@me.com To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 9:30 PM Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit Sorry Esther, the keystroke does not seem to recognize threads, and there seems