mavericks folder attributes

2014-09-28 Thread Ian Harrison
Hi,

under mavericks I can't seem to find a way to have windows open in a new window 
without closing all others.

I prefer to work with lots of windows open and used to do so in mountain lion, 
but there doesn't seem to be a preference for this in mavericks.

Thanks in advance
Ian 
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Type2Phone and IOS 8.0.2

2014-09-28 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello, 
I have recently acquired an iPhone 5S which is now running IOS 8.0.2. 

I also have an iPhone 3GS running the latest IOS 6. On the 3GS I found it very 
handy to use type2Phone on my iMac to emulate a bluetooth keyboard for entering 
passwords and the like on the iPhone. With their mixtures of characters, 
numbers, cases and symbols these are rather tricky to enter using the iPhone 
virtual keyboard. 

to my dismay type2Phone does not work with the iPhone 5S. Pressing the cursor 
left and right keys moves between fields on the iPhone but typing letters or 
numbers does not do anything on the iPhone. 

I have keyboard and numpad and trackpad commanders turned on and quicknav 
turned off. I tried turning numpad commander off but that made no difference. 

Presumably these problems are  related to the other posts on IOS 8 and 
bluetooth keyboard issues. 

Are there any workarounds to this problem? 
Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell
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Re: Type2Phone and IOS 8.0.2

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

Hi all

My guess is since Type2Phone emulates a bluetooth keyboards the same 
bugs that affect physical bluetooth keyboards will also occur with 
emulations such as this app.



Sent from my laptop

On 28/09/2014 11:41, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hello,
I have recently acquired an iPhone 5S which is now running IOS 8.0.2.

I also have an iPhone 3GS running the latest IOS 6. On the 3GS I found it very 
handy to use type2Phone on my iMac to emulate a bluetooth keyboard for entering 
passwords and the like on the iPhone. With their mixtures of characters, 
numbers, cases and symbols these are rather tricky to enter using the iPhone 
virtual keyboard.

to my dismay type2Phone does not work with the iPhone 5S. Pressing the cursor 
left and right keys moves between fields on the iPhone but typing letters or 
numbers does not do anything on the iPhone.

I have keyboard and numpad and trackpad commanders turned on and quicknav 
turned off. I tried turning numpad commander off but that made no difference.

Presumably these problems are  related to the other posts on IOS 8 and 
bluetooth keyboard issues.

Are there any workarounds to this problem?
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell
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RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

2014-09-28 Thread Matthew Chao

And what about the Bluetooth keyboard/QuickNav bug?  Has that been resolved?

Matthew Chao

At 08:05 PM 9/27/2014, you wrote:

One of those bugs with siri is easily overcome by single tapping the listen
button just above the home key. Sometimes, siri and voiceover get in the way
of each other. I admit, it's annoying, but, again, nothing you can't get out
of. I'm unaware of the bug that requires you to reset your phone.l how can I
reproduce this one?


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:02
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

If one considers the possibility of being on the line with Apple
Accessibility for 3 hours a  pro, then go for it. I, personally, spent last
Saturday, and this Saturday, dealing with resetting and restoring my iPhone
multiple times, due to glitches that Accessibility tech support did not know
about. In both cases, VO completely died, but Seri still said it was on;
there simply was no speech. It was not due to speech being turned off (three
finger double tap). One bug causing this issue has been identified, but
another ghas not. If you are willing totake the chance of VO failing, and
having to revive it only by a total reset involving the computer, go for it!
It certainly is a great learning experience, but keep the Xanax handy. It is
not about those who have not experienced the issues that can warn of the
dangers and possible consequences.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:35 AM, eleanor martha burke
eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote:

in what way?

Eleanor Martha Burke

 On 27 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Timothy J. Meloy tme...@fuse.net wrote:

 I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
 TJ


 On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar bomon...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I
would encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone,
I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.



 Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote:

 I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
 Glenn
 - Original Message -
 From: Shaun Oliver blindma...@gmail.com
 To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility' mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
 Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


 It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
 ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
 reason enough to upgrade.


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 Alawami
 Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

2014-09-28 Thread trevor

This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5.
I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front.
After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, 
for some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when 
you start up the iPhone or iPad.
with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O 
space does nothing, nor, does enter.

It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with.
Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right 
quickly.


Trevor
-Original Message- 
From: Martin G. McCormick

Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
these exploits even have the backing of governments.
So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
to IOS8 today.

Big mistake!
This is a copy of the message I sent to
accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
down. Message follows:

Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.


I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University
who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys
solving technical issues as well as building electronic and
mechanical things.
I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and
have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS
platforms.
When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came
with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover
worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is
almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or
passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person
who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer
real keys to hunting and tapping any day.

When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT
keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no
trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and
there were no real show stoppers.

If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work
has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug
when something new comes out but the following is beyond
ridiculous.
On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that
was a huge mistake.
The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except
for two very specific conditions:

1.  All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12
actually still work.

2.  The letters and numbers will still work
when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but
they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad
does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it
is not loosing contact.
The Caps-Lock key always reports that Caps lock is on
each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a
text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan
codes are obviously being received and translated correctly.
I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with
possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it
would cause the system to work better and be more secure.
I was wrong and I am not happy at this time.

Sincerely,

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

End of quoted message.

At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are
very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really
watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any
longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something
that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping
ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive
motors.
I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but
that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had
backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better
out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real
adults are in charge of much of anything any more.

Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now.

Martin
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Re: Type2Phone and IOS 8.0.2

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
No but I am fully aware of the numerous bluetooth keyboard bugs present 
in the initial iOS 8 release with a small bug fix in 8.0.2. I was going 
to do some testing after hearing about it but didn't find the time to do 
so. I can do it this week though if you like.



Sent from my laptop

On 28/09/2014 12:18, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote:

Have you tested it?
- Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth
challswor...@icloud.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Type2Phone and IOS 8.0.2



Hi all

My guess is since Type2Phone emulates a bluetooth keyboards the same
bugs that affect physical bluetooth keyboards will also occur with
emulations such as this app.


Sent from my laptop

On 28/09/2014 11:41, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hello,
I have recently acquired an iPhone 5S which is now running IOS 8.0.2.

I also have an iPhone 3GS running the latest IOS 6. On the 3GS I
found it very handy to use type2Phone on my iMac to emulate a
bluetooth keyboard for entering passwords and the like on the iPhone.
With their mixtures of characters, numbers, cases and symbols these
are rather tricky to enter using the iPhone virtual keyboard.

to my dismay type2Phone does not work with the iPhone 5S. Pressing
the cursor left and right keys moves between fields on the iPhone but
typing letters or numbers does not do anything on the iPhone.

I have keyboard and numpad and trackpad commanders turned on and
quicknav turned off. I tried turning numpad commander off but that
made no difference.

Presumably these problems are  related to the other posts on IOS 8
and bluetooth keyboard issues.

Are there any workarounds to this problem?
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell
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Re: Family sharing with iOS eight

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
You can share certain apps but you can also share music, movies and 
books too.



Sent from my laptop

On 21/09/2014 23:38, eleanor martha burke wrote:

is this a form of sharing apps?

Eleanor Martha Burke


On 21 Sep 2014, at 23:34, Amber M thetravele...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Jessica,
Actually, double tap on the name of the family member. And then there are apps 
will be displayed. Download as normal.
HTH,
Amber M

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Jessica Benzing jb...@me.com wrote:

Does anyone know how to download content with family sharing in iOS 8? I tried 
to do it and it says to tap the cloud button. I only see my family members name 
and no options next to it. Do you think maybe this is a bug with VoiceOver?

Sent from my iPhone
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RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

2014-09-28 Thread Shaun Oliver
I'm not currently using a Bluetooth keyboard with any of my devices so am
unsure as to what is actually happening.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 20:40
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

And what about the Bluetooth keyboard/QuickNav bug?  Has that been resolved?

Matthew Chao

At 08:05 PM 9/27/2014, you wrote:
One of those bugs with siri is easily overcome by single tapping the 
listen button just above the home key. Sometimes, siri and voiceover 
get in the way of each other. I admit, it's annoying, but, again, 
nothing you can't get out of. I'm unaware of the bug that requires you 
to reset your phone.l how can I reproduce this one?


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:02
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

If one considers the possibility of being on the line with Apple 
Accessibility for 3 hours a  pro, then go for it. I, personally, spent 
last Saturday, and this Saturday, dealing with resetting and restoring 
my iPhone multiple times, due to glitches that Accessibility tech 
support did not know about. In both cases, VO completely died, but Seri 
still said it was on; there simply was no speech. It was not due to 
speech being turned off (three finger double tap). One bug causing this 
issue has been identified, but another ghas not. If you are willing 
totake the chance of VO failing, and having to revive it only by a total
reset involving the computer, go for it!
It certainly is a great learning experience, but keep the Xanax handy. 
It is not about those who have not experienced the issues that can warn 
of the dangers and possible consequences.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:35 AM, eleanor martha burke 
eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote:

in what way?

Eleanor Martha Burke

  On 27 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Timothy J. Meloy tme...@fuse.net wrote:
 
  I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been 
  widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
  TJ
 
 
  On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar bomon...@earthlink.net
wrote:
 
  Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, 
  I
would encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new 
iPhone, I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs
are fixed.
 
 
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote:
 
  I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
  Glenn
  - Original Message -
  From: Shaun Oliver blindma...@gmail.com
  To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility' mac-access@mac-access.net
  Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
  Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
 
 
  It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all 
  been ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes 
  which are reason enough to upgrade.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
  [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k 
  Alawami
  Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
  To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
  Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
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Arranging home page on IOS 8

2014-09-28 Thread Paul Hopewell
Hello, 
I am having a very frustrating time trying to move all my Apps on my iPhone 5S 
into sensible folders on home page 1. .

I currently have folders on 4 columns and 4 rows on page 1. Now there are App 
Icons on page 2 which I want to move into the appropriate folder on page 1. 
When I move an App from page 2 onto page 1 it seems to go into row 5 on page 1. 
If I then press the home key and go to page 1 and double tap and hold any Icon 
on row 5 I do not get the ability to move that Icon into any of the folders on 
page 1. In fact I do not get the ability to move Icons on row 5 of page 1 at 
all. 
Any ideas? 
Many Thanks.

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Re: Arranging home page on IOS 8

2014-09-28 Thread Matthew Carello
Hello Paul. Here is what I do. I first take 2 apps i want in a folder and put 
them on the first blank page. This makes it easier to overlap them to create 
folders. if i already have  a folder i move that and an app i want in it to the 
blank page. I then move each app i want into that folder on to the new page one 
at a time and put them in. When done I just move the folder back to the page it 
belongs on and then repeat for any other folders. I hope this helps.
On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote:

 Hello, 
 I am having a very frustrating time trying to move all my Apps on my iPhone 
 5S into sensible folders on home page 1. .
 
 I currently have folders on 4 columns and 4 rows on page 1. Now there are App 
 Icons on page 2 which I want to move into the appropriate folder on page 1. 
 When I move an App from page 2 onto page 1 it seems to go into row 5 on page 
 1. If I then press the home key and go to page 1 and double tap and hold any 
 Icon on row 5 I do not get the ability to move that Icon into any of the 
 folders on page 1. In fact I do not get the ability to move Icons on row 5 of 
 page 1 at all. 
 Any ideas? 
 Many Thanks.
 
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Re: mavericks folder attributes

2014-09-28 Thread David Griffith
I also find this intensely annoying but I am not sure that there is anything we 
can do about it.
It was suggested to me that I turn off the tabbed open in tabs feature of 
Finder and also hide the sidebar. I have done both but it has failed to do 
anything so if I am working across multiple windows it is , as you  say highly 
inefficient   as you have to tediously keep on locating and reopening these 
windows.

 If anybody has a work  around   it would be great to hear.

David Griffith
On 28 Sep 2014, at 10:52, Ian Harrison harrisonc...@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk 
wrote:

 Hi,
 
 under mavericks I can't seem to find a way to have windows open in a new 
 window without closing all others.
 
 I prefer to work with lots of windows open and used to do so in mountain 
 lion, but there doesn't seem to be a preference for this in mavericks.
 
 Thanks in advance
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Re: mavericks folder attributes

2014-09-28 Thread Bryan Jones
Hello Ian  David,

I’m not sure if I’m understanding you correctly, so please excuse if this reply 
is off target.

In OS 10.9.5 I have no problems opening a bunch of Finder windows (COmmand+N) 
and cycling through them by pressing the standard Command+` key combo. On the  
US Keyboard layout of my MBA, the “` key is the leftmost key in the number 
row. On my Apple wireless ISO Spanish keyboard, this key is located immediately 
to the left of the “Z” key. I’m not sure where it is found on a UK layout.

Also, I do not hide the Sidebar, and in my Finder Preferences, the item “Open 
folders in tabs instead of windows,” found under the General heading, is 
unchecked.

HTH,
Bryan

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 It was suggested to me that I turn off the tabbed open in tabs feature of 
 Finder and also hide the sidebar. I have done both but it has failed to do 
 anything so if I am working across multiple windows it is , as you  say 
 highly inefficient   as you have to tediously keep on locating and reopening 
 these windows.
 
 On 28 Sep 2014, at 10:52, Ian Harrison 
 harrisonc...@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk wrote:
 under mavericks I can't seem to find a way to have windows open in a new 
 window without closing all others.
 
 I prefer to work with lots of windows open and used to do so in mountain 
 lion, but there doesn't seem to be a preference for this in mavericks.

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Re: Type2Phone and IOS 8.0.2

2014-09-28 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Y^ou hneed to turn off quick nav for thsi to work. I actually on the mac side 
of things turn off voice over as well. I've been doing this for about a uyear 
and a half now? maybe 2 years how ever long I'vehad type to phone.

Tc.
On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote:

 Hello, 
 I have recently acquired an iPhone 5S which is now running IOS 8.0.2. 
 
 I also have an iPhone 3GS running the latest IOS 6. On the 3GS I found it 
 very handy to use type2Phone on my iMac to emulate a bluetooth keyboard for 
 entering passwords and the like on the iPhone. With their mixtures of 
 characters, numbers, cases and symbols these are rather tricky to enter using 
 the iPhone virtual keyboard. 
 
 to my dismay type2Phone does not work with the iPhone 5S. Pressing the cursor 
 left and right keys moves between fields on the iPhone but typing letters or 
 numbers does not do anything on the iPhone. 
 
 I have keyboard and numpad and trackpad commanders turned on and quicknav 
 turned off. I tried turning numpad commander off but that made no difference. 
 
 Presumably these problems are  related to the other posts on IOS 8 and 
 bluetooth keyboard issues. 
 
 Are there any workarounds to this problem? 
 Many thanks. 
 
 Paul Hopewell
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

2014-09-28 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Acugtally qn is  quite useful. just turn it off if you don't like it. no big 
deal.
On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:21 AM, trevor trevor.sco...@btopenworld.com wrote:

 This is exactly what I have found on my iPad and my iPhone 5.
 I thought apple were supposedly improving things on the accessibility front.
 After updating to 8.2, as Martin said the caps lock is permently on, and, for 
 some reason known only to apple, quick nav is also on by default when you 
 start up the iPhone or iPad.
 with quick nav on, you can navigate left and right through the apps but V O 
 space does nothing, nor, does enter.
 It is absolutely useless and not worth bothering with.
 Someone at apple has really messed up this time and I hope they put it right 
 quickly.
 
 Trevor
 -Original Message- From: Martin G. McCormick
 Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:27 AM
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!
 
 As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
 networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
 operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
 art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
 crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
 older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
 around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
 they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
 to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
 these exploits even have the backing of governments.
 So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
 to IOS8 today.
 
 Big mistake!
 This is a copy of the message I sent to
 accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
 whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
 down. Message follows:
 
 Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.
 
 
 I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University
 who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys
 solving technical issues as well as building electronic and
 mechanical things.
 I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and
 have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS
 platforms.
 When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came
 with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover
 worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is
 almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or
 passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person
 who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer
 real keys to hunting and tapping any day.
 
 When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT
 keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no
 trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and
 there were no real show stoppers.
 
 If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work
 has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug
 when something new comes out but the following is beyond
 ridiculous.
 On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that
 was a huge mistake.
 The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except
 for two very specific conditions:
 
 1.  All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12
 actually still work.
 
 2.  The letters and numbers will still work
 when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but
 they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad
 does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it
 is not loosing contact.
 The Caps-Lock key always reports that Caps lock is on
 each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a
 text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan
 codes are obviously being received and translated correctly.
 I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with
 possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it
 would cause the system to work better and be more secure.
 I was wrong and I am not happy at this time.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
 Systems Engineer
 OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
 
 End of quoted message.
 
 At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are
 very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really
 watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any
 longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something
 that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping
 ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive
 motors.
 I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but
 that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had
 backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better
 out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real
 adults are in charge of much of anything any more.
 
 Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now.
 
 Martin
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Re: Type2Phone and IOS 8.0.2

2014-09-28 Thread Sarah k Alawami
It  will. When I had ios8 beta 4 the bug was around and it will. Same with  the 
iosu7 blue tooth keyboard bug  that was around in ios7.1 betas and 7l.1.
On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:18 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have you tested it?
 - Original Message - From: Christopher Hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:53 AM
 Subject: Re: Type2Phone and IOS 8.0.2
 
 
 Hi all
 
 My guess is since Type2Phone emulates a bluetooth keyboards the same bugs 
 that affect physical bluetooth keyboards will also occur with emulations 
 such as this app.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 28/09/2014 11:41, Paul Hopewell wrote:
 Hello,
 I have recently acquired an iPhone 5S which is now running IOS 8.0.2.
 
 I also have an iPhone 3GS running the latest IOS 6. On the 3GS I found it 
 very handy to use type2Phone on my iMac to emulate a bluetooth keyboard for 
 entering passwords and the like on the iPhone. With their mixtures of 
 characters, numbers, cases and symbols these are rather tricky to enter 
 using the iPhone virtual keyboard.
 
 to my dismay type2Phone does not work with the iPhone 5S. Pressing the 
 cursor left and right keys moves between fields on the iPhone but typing 
 letters or numbers does not do anything on the iPhone.
 
 I have keyboard and numpad and trackpad commanders turned on and quicknav 
 turned off. I tried turning numpad commander off but that made no 
 difference.
 
 Presumably these problems are  related to the other posts on IOS 8 and 
 bluetooth keyboard issues.
 
 Are there any workarounds to this problem?
 Many thanks.
 
 Paul Hopewell
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Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

2014-09-28 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Some poeple say it is and some say it does not. IK'd just upgrade and deal with 
the bug. I'll be doing this in a while as soon as audioboom gets an update as 
it crashes when you open the app. So does google hang outs which has been 
reported to apple but not ifx since beta 1.

Take care. 
On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:

 And what about the Bluetooth keyboard/QuickNav bug?  Has that been resolved?
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 At 08:05 PM 9/27/2014, you wrote:
 One of those bugs with siri is easily overcome by single tapping the listen
 button just above the home key. Sometimes, siri and voiceover get in the way
 of each other. I admit, it's annoying, but, again, nothing you can't get out
 of. I'm unaware of the bug that requires you to reset your phone.l how can I
 reproduce this one?
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
 Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:02
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
 
 If one considers the possibility of being on the line with Apple
 Accessibility for 3 hours a  pro, then go for it. I, personally, spent last
 Saturday, and this Saturday, dealing with resetting and restoring my iPhone
 multiple times, due to glitches that Accessibility tech support did not know
 about. In both cases, VO completely died, but Seri still said it was on;
 there simply was no speech. It was not due to speech being turned off (three
 finger double tap). One bug causing this issue has been identified, but
 another ghas not. If you are willing totake the chance of VO failing, and
 having to revive it only by a total reset involving the computer, go for it!
 It certainly is a great learning experience, but keep the Xanax handy. It is
 not about those who have not experienced the issues that can warn of the
 dangers and possible consequences.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:35 AM, eleanor martha burke
 eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 in what way?
 
 Eleanor Martha Burke
 
  On 27 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Timothy J. Meloy tme...@fuse.net wrote:
 
  I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
 talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
  TJ
 
 
  On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar bomon...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
  Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I
 would encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone,
 I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
 
 
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote:
 
  I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
  Glenn
  - Original Message -
  From: Shaun Oliver blindma...@gmail.com
  To: 'OS X  iOS Accessibility' mac-access@mac-access.net
  Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
  Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
 
 
  It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
  ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
  reason enough to upgrade.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
  [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k
  Alawami
  Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
  To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
  Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
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Re: Arranging home page on IOS 8

2014-09-28 Thread Daniela Rubio
Hi all!
This is a known bug in iOS 8. It has been reported already, but I hope they fix 
it very soon.
Thanks for that work around mean while all goes back to normal with our dear OS.
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507




El 28/09/2014, a las 16:11, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net escribió:

 Hello Paul. Here is what I do. I first take 2 apps i want in a folder and put 
 them on the first blank page. This makes it easier to overlap them to create 
 folders. if i already have  a folder i move that and an app i want in it to 
 the blank page. I then move each app i want into that folder on to the new 
 page one at a time and put them in. When done I just move the folder back to 
 the page it belongs on and then repeat for any other folders. I hope this 
 helps.
 On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Paul Hopewell hopew...@hopewell.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello, 
 I am having a very frustrating time trying to move all my Apps on my iPhone 
 5S into sensible folders on home page 1. .
 
 I currently have folders on 4 columns and 4 rows on page 1. Now there are 
 App Icons on page 2 which I want to move into the appropriate folder on page 
 1. When I move an App from page 2 onto page 1 it seems to go into row 5 on 
 page 1. If I then press the home key and go to page 1 and double tap and 
 hold any Icon on row 5 I do not get the ability to move that Icon into any 
 of the folders on page 1. In fact I do not get the ability to move Icons on 
 row 5 of page 1 at all. 
 Any ideas? 
 Many Thanks.
 
 Paul Hopewell
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Re: mavericks folder attributes

2014-09-28 Thread David Griffith
I have the exact same settings as you but when I open a new window this 
always automatically closes the last window I was in. So the cycle 
through windows command has no use. Also if I pull up the window chooser 
I have only the current window and go to desktop as options no matter 
how many windows I have opened.




On 28/09/2014 16:41, Bryan Jones wrote:

Hello Ian  David,

I’m not sure if I’m understanding you correctly, so please excuse if this reply 
is off target.

In OS 10.9.5 I have no problems opening a bunch of Finder windows (COmmand+N) and 
cycling through them by pressing the standard Command+` key combo. On the  US 
Keyboard layout of my MBA, the “` key is the leftmost key in the number row. 
On my Apple wireless ISO Spanish keyboard, this key is located immediately to the 
left of the “Z” key. I’m not sure where it is found on a UK layout.

Also, I do not hide the Sidebar, and in my Finder Preferences, the item “Open 
folders in tabs instead of windows,” found under the General heading, is 
unchecked.

HTH,
Bryan

On Sep 28, 2014, at 10:15 AM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:

It was suggested to me that I turn off the tabbed open in tabs feature of 
Finder and also hide the sidebar. I have done both but it has failed to do 
anything so if I am working across multiple windows it is , as you  say highly 
inefficient   as you have to tediously keep on locating and reopening these 
windows.

On 28 Sep 2014, at 10:52, Ian Harrison harrisonc...@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk 
wrote:

under mavericks I can't seem to find a way to have windows open in a new window 
without closing all others.

I prefer to work with lots of windows open and used to do so in mountain lion, 
but there doesn't seem to be a preference for this in mavericks.

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! A fix

2014-09-28 Thread Martin G. McCormick
I got my iPad Back. Am I sorry about all those nasty
things I said about Apple?
Not in the least because this is big business at it's
worst.
Okay. Enough whining and griping from me. Here is the
fix. It was aimed at iPhone users, but it does work on the iPad
just fine.
As in most software bugs, things aren't what they appear
to be. The Caps-lock works correctly but the reporting of it's
status is what is broken. I will condense what little I have
learned so far.
From:Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
She reported that turning quicknav on helps. You do that
by pressing the Left-arrow and Right-arrow keys simultaneously.
The system reports that quicknav is on. This gives you your
arrows back but I would call this teaser mode because you
can't yet click on/select any of the fields that are
tantalizingly now reported as you arrow back and forth.
Also, another bug in IOS8 is that voiceover crashes when
one is using the arrow keys plus probably a few other things.
The system goes silent briefly and you here Voiceover on and
find that you are now back at the start of the list of available
links to arrow through. This is annoying but if you arrow
through things a little more slowly, it seems to crash less
often. Time to go down another rabbit hole.
One of the google searches I did turned up the following
set of instructions on applevis. Follow these carefully. The
following words are not mine but lifted from the email being
referenced.
Quoting:

   AppleVis
   If your Bluetooth keyboard doesn't work with VoiceOver except just a
   few functions in iOS 8.0, try the following steps to resolve the issue.
   Once the problem disappears, it doesn't appear again unless you change
   the iPhone language in Settings, General, Language  Region. To make
   the problem disappear from your iPhone, follow these steps:

   1. If you use just one software keyboard, temporarily add an arbitrary
   one in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard.
   2. Open the Notes app.
   3. Create a new note.
   4. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to
   turn off the quick navigation option.
   5. Hold down the command key and press the space key several times to
   cycle through the list of software keyboards.
   6. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to
   turn on the quick navigation option.
   7. Now your Bluetooth keyboard should work fine except other iOS bugs.
   8. You may delete the software keyboard temporarily added at Settings,
   General, Keyboard, Keyboards.

   This is a copy of the email sent to RiVO customers to resolve the issue
   (http://goo.gl/GiBvWy) since it should also resolve the problem for
   other Bluetooth keyboards as well.

End of quote

This is Martin speaking now. After activating notes from
the touch screen, I selected compose and did as the instructions
said. I had selected a Spanish keyboard as the software keyboard so I typed
Command+Space and heard Espaniole then English and then
Espaniole again as there were now two software keyboards.
I left it on English. You then just get out of notes and
the BT KB now works as well as it did in IOS6.

The IOS8 accessibility stack was simply not ready for
prime time. While I do not have any inside knowledge of how the
OS works, it appears that various parts of the system are not
speaking to each other during installation and setup. If your
are using an English or Russian or Chinese locale, all important
modules such as the keyboard translator should understand which
character sets to use without the end user having to essentially
initialize them. In unix, we call this the environment and make
use of environmental variables and it generally works
beautifully. IOS is not unix but the concept is an old and
tested one. We are using XYZ language so everything that deals
with text and fonts knows this and behaves accordingly unless
specifically told otherwise.
I hope this helps somebody. Knowledge is worth a lot
more when it is concentrated in one place. Treasure hunts are
fun and challenging but sometimes, we just want stuff to work.

Martin
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Re: mavericks folder attributes

2014-09-28 Thread Bryan Jones
Are you running Finder in Full Screen Mode by any chance? I rarely use full 
screen mode, but did notice behavior similar to what you are describing when I 
tried it.

On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:29 PM, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have the exact same settings as you but when I open a new window this 
 always automatically closes the last window I was in. So the cycle through 
 windows command has no use. Also if I pull up the window chooser I have only 
 the current window and go to desktop as options no matter how many windows I 
 have opened.

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Re: Abbyy fine reader pro help please

2014-09-28 Thread Leo Bissonnette
Hi Bryan,

Again, this information is most helpful. Will certainly move quickly to get 
this software….

Sincerely,

Leo



On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Bryan Jones openses...@me.com wrote:

 Here is the workflow I generally follow when using ABBYY FineReader Pro on my 
 Mac in combination with a WiFi connected scanner to scan, import, OCR and 
 export single- or multipage documents.
 
 These instructions were written based on FineReader Pro version 12.0.6, MacOS 
 10.9.5, a 2013 Macbook Air, and a Canon Pixma MX922 MFP. These instructions 
 assume the User has a working knowledge of VoiceOver and a compatible and 
 functioning scanner connected wired or wirelessly to a mac with the proper 
 scanner drivers and the latest version of FineReader Pro installed.
 
 1. Load the paper document(s) into the scanner.
 2. Launch FineReader Pro.
 3. If FineReader does not automatically open to a “New Task” dialog, press 
 Command+N to open the New Task dialog. The New Task dialog Is laid out 
 roughly in the form of a table and is relatively intuitive, but there are a 
 few confusingly labeled items, so I will include some additional notes at the 
 end of these instructions.
 4. In the New Task dialog, highlight your scanner in the Sources table, make 
 sure the correct Document Language(s) are selected, and then press 
 VO+Spacebar on the desired export format. This will open a new window where 
 you can specify various scan options specific to your scanner. I assume these 
 options will vary depending on the make, model  features of the selected 
 scanner. On my system I have options such as flat-bed or ADF, duplex mode, 
 scan area, color depth, resolution and detect orientation.
 5. After you have selected the desired scan settings, navigate to the button 
 labeled “Scan” and press VO+Spacebar to activate it. Your scanner should 
 begin scanning. I’m not sure if there is an official VO-accessible way to 
 monitor scan progress, but I normally either listen to the scanner or monitor 
 the Scan button, whose name will toggle between “Scan” and “Stop Scanning” 
 depending on scan status.
 6. When all pages have been scanned, navigate to the button labeled “Finish 
 import” and press VO+Spacebar to activate it. A dialog box will provide 
 progress information as FineReader recognizes the text.
 7. When the recognition process has completed, a standard OSX File Save As 
 dialog opens where you will name the file, choose the location where you’d 
 like it saved, and click the Export button to complete the process.
 
 A few notes regarding the “New Task” window.
 1. I suggest spending a few minutes familiarizing oneself with the items in 
 the New Task window by exploring with the VO+left and VO+right arrows.
 2. There are two items in the New Task window that don’t seem to do anything: 
 one spoken simply as “Label” and the other spoken simply as “Image.”
 3. There is a mislabeled button spoken as either “Go right, unchecked” or “Go 
 left, unchecked.” Pressing VO+Spacebar on this item will toggle it and will 
 also toggle between the “Quick conversion” and “Conversion format” labels. As 
 far as I can tell, all this does is switch the list of available export 
 formats between the short list displayed in the “Quick COnversion” list, and 
 the full list shown in the “COnversion Formats” list.
 
 HTH,
 Bryan
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Leo Bissonnette leo.bissonne...@videotron.ca 
 wrote:
 Would be interested in learning more about how you use FRP to interface 
 directly with my scanner for importing scanned paper documents, 
 
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! A fix

2014-09-28 Thread Georgina Joyce
Hello Martin,

You didn’t have to upgrade. Your choice. Why not wait for a few weeks and see 
how the people who have non-production devices test the new releases.

Gena

On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:32, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net 
wrote:

   I got my iPad Back. Am I sorry about all those nasty
 things I said about Apple?
   Not in the least because this is big business at it's
 worst.
   Okay. Enough whining and griping from me. Here is the
 fix. It was aimed at iPhone users, but it does work on the iPad
 just fine.
   As in most software bugs, things aren't what they appear
 to be. The Caps-lock works correctly but the reporting of it's
 status is what is broken. I will condense what little I have
 learned so far.
 From:Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
   She reported that turning quicknav on helps. You do that
 by pressing the Left-arrow and Right-arrow keys simultaneously.
 The system reports that quicknav is on. This gives you your
 arrows back but I would call this teaser mode because you
 can't yet click on/select any of the fields that are
 tantalizingly now reported as you arrow back and forth.
   Also, another bug in IOS8 is that voiceover crashes when
 one is using the arrow keys plus probably a few other things.
 The system goes silent briefly and you here Voiceover on and
 find that you are now back at the start of the list of available
 links to arrow through. This is annoying but if you arrow
 through things a little more slowly, it seems to crash less
 often. Time to go down another rabbit hole.
   One of the google searches I did turned up the following
 set of instructions on applevis. Follow these carefully. The
 following words are not mine but lifted from the email being
 referenced.
 Quoting:
 
   AppleVis
   If your Bluetooth keyboard doesn't work with VoiceOver except just a
   few functions in iOS 8.0, try the following steps to resolve the issue.
   Once the problem disappears, it doesn't appear again unless you change
   the iPhone language in Settings, General, Language  Region. To make
   the problem disappear from your iPhone, follow these steps:
 
   1. If you use just one software keyboard, temporarily add an arbitrary
   one in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard.
   2. Open the Notes app.
   3. Create a new note.
   4. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to
   turn off the quick navigation option.
   5. Hold down the command key and press the space key several times to
   cycle through the list of software keyboards.
   6. Press the left arrow key and the right arrow key simultaneously to
   turn on the quick navigation option.
   7. Now your Bluetooth keyboard should work fine except other iOS bugs.
   8. You may delete the software keyboard temporarily added at Settings,
   General, Keyboard, Keyboards.
 
   This is a copy of the email sent to RiVO customers to resolve the issue
   (http://goo.gl/GiBvWy) since it should also resolve the problem for
   other Bluetooth keyboards as well.
 
 End of quote
 
   This is Martin speaking now. After activating notes from
 the touch screen, I selected compose and did as the instructions
 said. I had selected a Spanish keyboard as the software keyboard so I typed
 Command+Space and heard Espaniole then English and then
 Espaniole again as there were now two software keyboards.
   I left it on English. You then just get out of notes and
 the BT KB now works as well as it did in IOS6.
   
   The IOS8 accessibility stack was simply not ready for
 prime time. While I do not have any inside knowledge of how the
 OS works, it appears that various parts of the system are not
 speaking to each other during installation and setup. If your
 are using an English or Russian or Chinese locale, all important
 modules such as the keyboard translator should understand which
 character sets to use without the end user having to essentially
 initialize them. In unix, we call this the environment and make
 use of environmental variables and it generally works
 beautifully. IOS is not unix but the concept is an old and
 tested one. We are using XYZ language so everything that deals
 with text and fonts knows this and behaves accordingly unless
 specifically told otherwise.
   I hope this helps somebody. Knowledge is worth a lot
 more when it is concentrated in one place. Treasure hunts are
 fun and challenging but sometimes, we just want stuff to work.
 
 Martin
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an ssh question with osx and a remote server

2014-09-28 Thread Sarah k Alawami
So, I want to make a par of ssh keys, one to go on my home machine, and one to 
go on my remote server. Easy enough I hope.

I then want to do an scp from my home computer to my remote server at like 3 am 
this morning as I don't want to tie up my 8mbps up bandwidth whilst everyone is 
awake. This I don't know how to do. I red  the manual on SCP but have no idea 
if what I want to do is possible.

1. do I need to log in to my remote server via ssh before I go to bed tonight 
then some how schedule the scp

2. if not how can I do this effectively as ncftp is no longer being developed 
and lftp is not installed on my remote server? 
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy! A fix

2014-09-28 Thread Travis Siegel
You know, this is one thing (not just on this list, but everywhere)  
where folks get ribbed because they upgrade, then have issues.  Yet,  
if anyone mentions that they're not running the latest release (such  
as I've done on a number of occasions) because of issues with that  
release, you get ribbed, because you're not upgrading and taking the  
issues, because they can and will be worked around.  Honestly, I find  
it a bit irritating.  I have learned to ignore it, mostly because I  
don't care about tech support, rarely call for it, and have no issue  
fixing my own hardware (most of the time), so for me, having 10 or  
even 20 year old equipment doesn't bother me in the least, but when I  
mention to someone that I have a computer running windows xp pro, that  
is 10 years old, or that I have an iphone 3gs, or 4s, or that I'm  
running osx 10.5 or 10.6, the response is nearly always, You need to  
upgrade  That's all well and good if someone can afford to do so, and/ 
or if they want to do so, but some folks are perfectly happy with what  
they have, and don't want or need the latest and greatest, and perhaps  
have other equipment in addition to what's being discussed, yet, it  
seems to be antisocial, or anti technology, if someone doesn't want to  
upgrade for whatever reason.  Could we please stop casting aspersions  
on the versions of hardware/software folks are using, and just offer  
help where possible, and keep quiet otherwise?  Honestly, I don't care  
if someone is running 10.4 tiger, or 10.9 mavericks, if they have a  
problem, and I know how to fix it, then I'm always willing to assist,  
and the version of their hardware/software should have no bearing on  
that issue.  Sure, sometimes, problems are fixed in later releases,  
and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out, but it really needs  
to be done in a friendly optional manner, not in a rude direct  
confrontation method, as I've seen all too often here and elsewhere.   
I'm not a moderator, and I have nothing to do with the running of any  
portion of the mac-access sites or anything else relating to the list  
or equipment running it, I'm simply a list user who has withdrawn, and  
participated less and less as time goes on, because frankly, the level  
of snobbery on this list has truly astounded me.  I realize this isn't  
really a matter for me to raise directly on list, but sorry folks,  
it's just finally gotten on my nerves one too many times.  Responses  
like the below do nothing to help, and often cause antagonism, which  
really isn't necessary.  Can we please keep things civil, and stop  
with the sniping at folks who aren't running the versions others have?  
Please?



On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Georgina Joyce wrote:


Hello Martin,

You didn’t have to upgrade. Your choice. Why not wait for a few  
weeks and see how the people who have non-production devices test  
the new releases.


Gena

On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:32, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net 
 wrote:



I got my iPad Back. Am I sorry about all those nasty
things I said about Apple?
Not in the least because this is big business at it's
worst.
Okay. Enough whining and griping from me. Here is the
fix. It was aimed at iPhone users, but it does work on the iPad
just fine.
As in most software bugs, things aren't what they appear
to be. The Caps-lock works correctly but the reporting of it's
status is what is broken. I will condense what little I have
learned so far.
From:Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
She reported that turning quicknav on helps. You do that
by pressing the Left-arrow and Right-arrow keys simultaneously.
The system reports that quicknav is on. This gives you your
arrows back but I would call this teaser mode because you
can't yet click on/select any of the fields that are
tantalizingly now reported as you arrow back and forth.
Also, another bug in IOS8 is that voiceover crashes when
one is using the arrow keys plus probably a few other things.
The system goes silent briefly and you here Voiceover on and
find that you are now back at the start of the list of available
links to arrow through. This is annoying but if you arrow
through things a little more slowly, it seems to crash less
often. Time to go down another rabbit hole.
One of the google searches I did turned up the following
set of instructions on applevis. Follow these carefully. The
following words are not mine but lifted from the email being
referenced.
Quoting:

 AppleVis
 If your Bluetooth keyboard doesn't work with VoiceOver except just a
 few functions in iOS 8.0, try the following steps to resolve the  
issue.
 Once the problem disappears, it doesn't appear again unless you  
change

 the iPhone language in Settings, General, Language  Region. To make
 the problem disappear from your iPhone, follow these steps:

 1. If you use just one software keyboard, temporarily add an  
arbitrary

 one in 

icloud storage management does not show the storage space with the corresponding prices

2014-09-28 Thread Sarah k Alawami
summery: when viewing the iCloud storage  prices, the sizes do not show up with 
voice over on. this is a high priority bug that should have been fixed before 
iOS 8 release.

steps to reproduce

1. launch voice over
2. go to settings
3. go to iCloud
4. click  storage and back up
5. click manage storage
6 notice that the prices show up but the sizes do not.

regression: this did not happen a few weeks before iOS 8 release.

Note: this is a high priority bug that should be looked at before iCloud drive 
goes live so that most problems having to do with this can be resolved. 
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Re: an ssh question with osx and a remote server

2014-09-28 Thread Travis Siegel
Actually, you can use just about anything to perform your transfer,  
ftp, telnet, rsh, ssh, any thing that allows a connection between  
machines.  Remember, unix oses are 1, process based, and 2, socket  
based.  This means, you can tie commands together using the vertical  
(|) character, and you can chain as many commands as you need to  
accomplish a task.  I've used tar to move entire drives from one place  
to another, simply by running tar on the source machine, then using  
rlogin (telnet isn't 8-bit clean) and running tar again on the target  
machine.  It's all doable, and you need no special software or timing,  
a simple crontab entry will do the job for you if that's what you need.

You could do something like this:
tar -zc *.txt|ssh user@host 'tar -zx'
and all the txt files would be compressed, and tared up into an  
archive, which would then be transferred over the pipe via ssh to the  
remote machine, where upon tar would run and untar and uncompress the  
txt files on the remote machine.
With this example, you'd need to be at the keyboard to type in the  
password, but if you had proper key pairs setup, and you used the  
proper command line parameters, you could remove this requirement.

hth.

On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

So, I want to make a par of ssh keys, one to go on my home machine,  
and one to go on my remote server. Easy enough I hope.


I then want to do an scp from my home computer to my remote server  
at like 3 am this morning as I don't want to tie up my 8mbps up  
bandwidth whilst everyone is awake. This I don't know how to do. I  
red  the manual on SCP but have no idea if what I want to do is  
possible.


1. do I need to log in to my remote server via ssh before I go to  
bed tonight then some how schedule the scp


2. if not how can I do this effectively as ncftp is no longer being  
developed and lftp is not installed on my remote server?

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RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

2014-09-28 Thread Laurie Mehta


On Sat, 9/27/14, Shaun Oliver blindma...@gmail.com wrote, in part:

I'd sign up to be a beta tester, but, I don't want to spend my days
compiling bug reports, so I wait for the final release.

An observation: 
Blind beta testers help all concerned by filing bug reports.
If you don't particularly want to spend your days, as you say, compiling bug 
reports, can you understand why someone else would not want to spend their days 
with help desk folk working out the consequences of bugs in a new release? 
(smile)

Good discussion!
- LM
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RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

2014-09-28 Thread Laurie Mehta
On Sat, 9/27/14, Shaun Oliver blindma...@gmail.com wrote, in part:

I'd sign up to be a beta tester, but, I don't want to spend my days
compiling bug reports, so I wait for the final release.


An observation: 
Blind beta testers help all concerned by filing bug reports.
If you don't particularly want to spend your days, as you say, compiling bug 
reports, can you understand why someone else would not want to spend their days 
with help desk folk working out the consequences of bugs in a new release? 
(smile)

Good discussion!
- LM

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Re: an ssh question with osx and a remote server

2014-09-28 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Never mind, I'll start the transfer before I sleep then just before I do that 
use screen in case my internet decides to go. or at least take less off of my 
poor modem. Bleh!

Take care. 

Take care.
On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:

 Actually, you can use just about anything to perform your transfer, ftp, 
 telnet, rsh, ssh, any thing that allows a connection between machines.  
 Remember, unix oses are 1, process based, and 2, socket based.  This means, 
 you can tie commands together using the vertical (|) character, and you can 
 chain as many commands as you need to accomplish a task.  I've used tar to 
 move entire drives from one place to another, simply by running tar on the 
 source machine, then using rlogin (telnet isn't 8-bit clean) and running tar 
 again on the target machine.  It's all doable, and you need no special 
 software or timing, a simple crontab entry will do the job for you if that's 
 what you need.
 You could do something like this:
 tar -zc *.txt|ssh user@host 'tar -zx'
 and all the txt files would be compressed, and tared up into an archive, 
 which would then be transferred over the pipe via ssh to the remote machine, 
 where upon tar would run and untar and uncompress the txt files on the remote 
 machine.
 With this example, you'd need to be at the keyboard to type in the password, 
 but if you had proper key pairs setup, and you used the proper command line 
 parameters, you could remove this requirement.
 hth.
 
 On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
 
 So, I want to make a par of ssh keys, one to go on my home machine, and one 
 to go on my remote server. Easy enough I hope.
 
 I then want to do an scp from my home computer to my remote server at like 3 
 am this morning as I don't want to tie up my 8mbps up bandwidth whilst 
 everyone is awake. This I don't know how to do. I red  the manual on SCP but 
 have no idea if what I want to do is possible.
 
 1. do I need to log in to my remote server via ssh before I go to bed 
 tonight then some how schedule the scp
 
 2. if not how can I do this effectively as ncftp is no longer being 
 developed and lftp is not installed on my remote server?
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