I am greatful for all this as well.
On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn her faithful furry friends wrote:
I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said it better.
all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making your
products accessible to everyone regardless of
just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable really.
not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky when hiding
elements for us would make it a smoother experience
On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
I am greatful for all this
Try using alex. That voice works great for me. When it changes pitch you can
still understand it quite well.
I don't think Voice over will ever start using Eloquence as it's not in
development anymore. Maybe the vocalisor pitch problem wil be corrected in
the future. Then Vocaliser will be
Sorry for my previous message I thought you had said eloquence. If you want
a smoother experience with elements. I went into Voiceover utility and
enabled single letter navigation in the web settings.
Hopefully that helps.
Debbie
-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
from my own personal experience, I've found that the Alex voice, seems to have
better inflection and is better able to read documents, whether online or
otherwise.
I have it relatively slow as I do alot of reading and want to take in each bit
as I read it.
you can even change the intonation
for that to work, you need to be able to switch between quick nav and normal
navigation.
only when you're in quicknav do the single key navigation keystrokes work.
Just something to remember.
On 30/09/2012, at 10:01 PM, Debbie April Yuille debbieyui...@bigpond.com
wrote:
Sorry for my previous
I Agree. Alex is probably the best TTS voice out there right now. I have other
voices installed on my macbook, but always go
back to Alex. I wish Apple would develop a female equivelent and do away with
the vocalizer stuff altogether, but until that
happens, I'll always prefer Alex. It's a shame
Well there is no reason why a developer could not create a Safari extension to
perform the same functions as Flexible Web which is found in JAWS 14 (which I
must admit is pretty awesome and innovative).
Or perhaps Apple could consider adding such a facility to Activities within
Voiceover
I've nothing against vocaliser voices, especially Karen's voice, as it's the
one I find most listenable. I would prefer, however, some more control over
inflection and things like that. I find Karen's voice to be somewhat flat in
terms of intonation, and while it's a good voice, it doesn't do
I agree! Karen is the only listenable vocalizer voice, but she just sounds so
bored and sad. I've heard interviews with Karen
Jacobsen, though, and she's nothing like that. They should have tried to
capture a bit of her personality and livelyness with
the voice. If I ever get an Itoy, I will use
Yes, the numpad does make things easier, and on the laptops, you can use the
trackpad commander which also makes navigating much easier.
On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:
I've also had it said to me that if you can get hold of a numpad, bluetooth
or otherwise, you can make
Well I personally don't agree about Carin, I really hate this voice, it
really gets on my nerves. I much prefer Samantha which I use on my IDevices
as well as on the mac but of course, different people, different tastes which
is fine of course. As a non native English speaker, I tend to
well to me the HQ voices are perfectly usable..I use Samantha on my mac and
the changing pitch, even though somewhat annoying does not really bother me
all that much to the point of not using them. And please, don't wish for
Eloquence on the mac, that's an insult! I know Apple won't even
yes you can use karen on i phones i have her on mine
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
On 30/09/2012, at 11:04 PM, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote:
I agree! Karen is the only listenable vocalizer voice, but she just sounds so
bored and sad. I've heard interviews with Karen
Yes, but will she work for siri and everything even though I'm in the US? I
don't have an Itoy yet and can't afford 1, but
this is definitely something I'm trying to find out about. I would rather not
use Samantha at all if I don't have to. From
what I understand, I don't think if it will let me
yes
krystal watson
krystalwat...@bluebottle.com
On 01/10/2012, at 12:11 AM, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, but will she work for siri and everything even though I'm in the US? I
don't have an Itoy yet and can't afford 1, but
this is definitely something I'm trying to find
personally speaking, I prefer the Acapella Group InfoVox voices to anything
Apple offers. I personally use those voices all of the time and although they
are a little costly, I consider them well worth the money.
On 30 Sep 2012, at 13:39, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote:
I Agree. Alex
I have all of the English speaking acapella voices installed on my mac, and
like them a lot, but some of their pronunciation
quirks are just too frustrating for daily use with voiceover, and I have never
had luck getting their pronunciation editor to
work properly, so I just stick with Alex. I
I've recently been spending buckets of time learning to use various access
tools that are new to me on several platforms, including Windows and Android.
This is a requirement for the internship I'm fortunate to have with my
University's Disabilities Services office, and while I must confess I
Helo Missy
Did you know that you can modify the pronunciations with the Acapela Group
InfoVox voices? Look in your /applications folder and you'll find the tool to
do this.
Lynne
On 30 Sep 2012, at 16:54, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote:
I have all of the English speaking acapella
Hi! I'm aware of the tool; have just never had any luck getting it to work. For
example, I hate that it says ape or a p p for
an application, depending on the voice. No matter what I do, I can't get it to
simply say app the way alex does.
-Original Message-
From:
Very well said! I'll be the first to admit that I don't take full advantage of
all the tips and tricks that could make web
browsing easier, but I don't blaim apple or other screen reader developers.
It's entirely my fault if I'm too lazy or
stubborn to take the time to learn how to use web
Hello Missy
I think that is a fair and reasonable perspective. I'm certainly not trying to
involve anybody in a My toy's better than yours debate. What people do and
how they choose to do it is entirely down to their choice. All I can say in
conclusion to this is that this group is here for
Here, Here. Well said. I've just migrated to mac and I'm quite surprised
with how accessible it really is. I have virtually no site, and I'm learning
to get around it quite well. I particularly love the way that you can use
the Item chooser to navigate around a page rather than tab around a hole
I love the mac, I no longer have a pc here, voiceover does things somewhat
differently than the windows screen readers, but once you get usd to that, it
works just as well as the windows screen readers and in many ways, it works
better.
On Sep 29, 2012, at 10:15 PM, Debbie April Yuille wrote:
I've also had it said to me that if you can get hold of a numpad, bluetooth or
otherwise, you can make full use of numpad commander and it makes the
navigating experience just that much better.
I personally had no issue with learning to use the mac. I learned to drive on
around two years ago,
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