[MacGroup] How Jeff Bezos’ iPhone X Was Hacked

[Ed Wiser]

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[Ed Wiser]

I file can embed all kinds of things. So a video clip or pdf can do this type 
of hack. 

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> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:21 AM, John Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
> Ed, I gather high rollers communicate with other high rollers like we do on 
> this forum….you are right, we really need to watch for the phishing but what 
> I’m really wanting to learn, do emails inside Apple’s umbrella have the same 
> exposure of having an embedded hack inside an email or video?  If so, why 
> aren’t we hearing about it daily?  Did this happen to Jeff because he was 
> using WhatsApp?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Ed Wiser  wrote:
>> 
>> I posted earlier this week a Phishing email screen shot. Of an “Apple” email 
>> with a windows document attached that I was suppose to open. 
>> I did not open it I sent it to Apple Phishing  with the file attached 
>> included. 
>> Never open an attachment unless you asked some one to send you something. 
>> Even then ask the person if they sent you a file before opening. 
>> To many times we get in a hurry and open with out thinking. 
>> I have gotten three phishing emails this week in the Same style. Everyone 
>> was sent to Apple. Never open an attachment before checking it out. Look at 
>> the email addresses tap and hold to see the actual email address the name 
>> you see can be spoofed. Just like phone calls can be spoofed to show the 502 
>> area code from India they can spoof addresses to. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:02 AM, John Robinson  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> When Jeff Bezos hacked phone hit the news my daughter text me asking how in 
>>> the world an iPhone was hacked to get his love notes and photos which were 
>>> then published in the Enquirer.
>>> 
>>> Oh, my dear daughter, Bezos is the King of Android, his firm sells more 
>>> Android devices than all the others combined…he would have been using an 
>>> Android phone..
>>> 
>>> I told the world here was a good example of the value of an Android.
>>> 
>>> I mean it would be like the CEO of General Motors, Mary Barra, driving a 
>>> Mustang…it just isn’t going to happen.
>>> 
>>> So this Android phone turned out to be very expensive, costing close to 60 
>>> BILLION in his divorce settlement.  
>>> 
>>> Serves him right.
>>> 
>>> Now the news wires are lighting up about the story that it was an iPhone 
>>> that was hacked….WHAT?
>>> 
>>> Turns out the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia sent a video that had embedded 
>>> hack that allowed access to Bezos phone…using the WhatsApp used for 
>>> communication.
>>> 
>>> It’s cross platform and I guess bunches of folks use it, but it’s owned by 
>>> Facebook, which is second only to Google in spying on us, so I ask this 
>>> question.
>>> 
>>> If Bezos had been using Apple’s Mail, could this same thing have happened?  
>>> 
>>> If so, why hasn’t it happened to tens of thousands of us prior to now, lots 
>>> of high profile folks use the iPhone, from The President to most of the 
>>> Hollywood types, business leaders that the competition would love to learn 
>>> of company trade secrets.
>>> 
>>> Are those that use WhatsApp playing Russian Roulette?  
>>> 
>>> Those in the know, what are your thoughts?
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
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[John Robinson]

By the way, thanks so much for your input on this, it’s appreciated

John



> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:36 AM, John Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Lee, the question begs, WHY hasn’t the technique used on Bezos phone 
> been used on every person of power and authority, every jealous wife, every 
> fired employee?  If this technique is good enough to fool WhatsApp on the 
> richest guy in our country I’m confused why there aren’t tens of thousands of 
> us having the same exploits perpetrated on us?
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Lee Larson > > wrote:
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:20 AM, John Robinson > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Ed, I gather high rollers communicate with other high rollers like we do on 
>>> this forum….you are right, we really need to watch for the phishing but 
>>> what I’m really wanting to learn, do emails inside Apple’s umbrella have 
>>> the same exposure of having an embedded hack inside an email or video?  If 
>>> so, why aren’t we hearing about it daily?  Did this happen to Jeff because 
>>> he was using WhatsApp?
>> 
>> WhatsApp is a lot more secure than email. It has end-to-end encryption by 
>> default while email has no security by default. Sending an email is like 
>> using postcards; anyone in the middle can read it. That’s why some of us 
>> advocate encryption standards like S/MIME and PGP.
>> 
>> L^2
>> 
>> 
>> Lee Larson
>> leelar...@me.com 
>> 
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[John Robinson]

You don’t know who is watching, & my life is so dull and boring even the best 
code would grind to a halt…but there are those of importance that should really 
watch out…I’m guess political opponents would be the largest consumer…

Instead of using the National Enquirer sites would blossom that post a day in 
the life of Lee Larson…grief…

John





> On Jan 23, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:36 AM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Lee, the question begs, WHY hasn’t the technique used on Bezos phone 
>> been used on every person of power and authority, every jealous wife, every 
>> fired employee?  If this technique is good enough to fool WhatsApp on the 
>> richest guy in our country I’m confused why there aren’t tens of thousands 
>> of us having the same exploits perpetrated on us?
> 
> 
> A specialized tool developed by Israeli intelligence can’t be downloaded from 
> the App store. Probably many governments have it and that’s why MBS was able 
> to use it against Bezos.
> 
> And… how do you know it isn’t being widely used? If it were on your phone 
> right now, how would you know?
> 
> L^2
> 
> 
> Lee Larson
> leelar...@me.com 
> 
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> many things were going so right for so many of the wrong persons. — ‌Ogden 
> Nash
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[Lee Larson]

On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:36 AM, John Robinson  wrote:

> Thanks Lee, the question begs, WHY hasn’t the technique used on Bezos phone 
> been used on every person of power and authority, every jealous wife, every 
> fired employee?  If this technique is good enough to fool WhatsApp on the 
> richest guy in our country I’m confused why there aren’t tens of thousands of 
> us having the same exploits perpetrated on us?


A specialized tool developed by Israeli intelligence can’t be downloaded from 
the App store. Probably many governments have it and that’s why MBS was able to 
use it against Bezos.

And… how do you know it isn’t being widely used? If it were on your phone right 
now, how would you know?

L^2


Lee Larson
leelar...@me.com

‌I do not like to get the news, because there has never been an era when so 
many things were going so right for so many of the wrong persons. — ‌Ogden Nash
‌New York Times, 25 April 1989‌


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[John Robinson]

Thanks Lee, the question begs, WHY hasn’t the technique used on Bezos phone 
been used on every person of power and authority, every jealous wife, every 
fired employee?  If this technique is good enough to fool WhatsApp on the 
richest guy in our country I’m confused why there aren’t tens of thousands of 
us having the same exploits perpetrated on us?


John


> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:20 AM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> Ed, I gather high rollers communicate with other high rollers like we do on 
>> this forum….you are right, we really need to watch for the phishing but what 
>> I’m really wanting to learn, do emails inside Apple’s umbrella have the same 
>> exposure of having an embedded hack inside an email or video?  If so, why 
>> aren’t we hearing about it daily?  Did this happen to Jeff because he was 
>> using WhatsApp?
> 
> WhatsApp is a lot more secure than email. It has end-to-end encryption by 
> default while email has no security by default. Sending an email is like 
> using postcards; anyone in the middle can read it. That’s why some of us 
> advocate encryption standards like S/MIME and PGP.
> 
> L^2
> 
> 
> Lee Larson
> leelar...@me.com 
> 
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[Lee Larson]

On Jan 23, 2020, at 11:20 AM, John Robinson  wrote:

> Ed, I gather high rollers communicate with other high rollers like we do on 
> this forum….you are right, we really need to watch for the phishing but what 
> I’m really wanting to learn, do emails inside Apple’s umbrella have the same 
> exposure of having an embedded hack inside an email or video?  If so, why 
> aren’t we hearing about it daily?  Did this happen to Jeff because he was 
> using WhatsApp?

WhatsApp is a lot more secure than email. It has end-to-end encryption by 
default while email has no security by default. Sending an email is like using 
postcards; anyone in the middle can read it. That’s why some of us advocate 
encryption standards like S/MIME and PGP.

L^2


Lee Larson
leelar...@me.com

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that I'm going to miss mine by just a few days. — ‌Garrison Keillor
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[Lee Larson]

On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:01 AM, John Robinson  wrote:

> If Bezos had been using Apple’s Mail, could this same thing have happened?
> 
> If so, why hasn’t it happened to tens of thousands of us prior to now, lots 
> of high profile folks use the iPhone, from The President to most of the 
> Hollywood types, business leaders that the competition would love to learn of 
> company trade secrets.

This Twitter thread 
 give some more 
background. (Look around #15.) The actual crack was accomplished using 
Israeli-developed spyware delivered as an attachment to a WhatsApp message.

I suspect there are equally effective tools for use with Apple's mail.

My feeling about such things is that I do not implicitly trust Apple (or any 
other company) to have produced impregnable software. iOS is surely more secure 
than Android, but any software as complex as iOS inevitably has cracks large 
enough to crawl through—especially when you have the resources of a government 
to look for them. Just last month Google’s security team pointed out more than 
a dozen holes in Safari 
.
 (Google has the resources of a government.) And then there’s the boot ROM 
exploit 

 that can’t be fixed. We don’t know what the NSA has because they don’t tell 
us, but I’m pretty sure they’ve got their own tricks.

L^2


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[John Robinson]

Ed, I gather high rollers communicate with other high rollers like we do on 
this forum….you are right, we really need to watch for the phishing but what 
I’m really wanting to learn, do emails inside Apple’s umbrella have the same 
exposure of having an embedded hack inside an email or video?  If so, why 
aren’t we hearing about it daily?  Did this happen to Jeff because he was using 
WhatsApp?

John



> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Ed Wiser  wrote:
> 
> I posted earlier this week a Phishing email screen shot. Of an “Apple” email 
> with a windows document attached that I was suppose to open. 
> I did not open it I sent it to Apple Phishing  with the file attached 
> included. 
> Never open an attachment unless you asked some one to send you something. 
> Even then ask the person if they sent you a file before opening. 
> To many times we get in a hurry and open with out thinking. 
> I have gotten three phishing emails this week in the Same style. Everyone was 
> sent to Apple. Never open an attachment before checking it out. Look at the 
> email addresses tap and hold to see the actual email address the name you see 
> can be spoofed. Just like phone calls can be spoofed to show the 502 area 
> code from India they can spoof addresses to. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:02 AM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When Jeff Bezos hacked phone hit the news my daughter text me asking how in 
>> the world an iPhone was hacked to get his love notes and photos which were 
>> then published in the Enquirer.
>> 
>> Oh, my dear daughter, Bezos is the King of Android, his firm sells more 
>> Android devices than all the others combined…he would have been using an 
>> Android phone..
>> 
>> I told the world here was a good example of the value of an Android.
>> 
>> I mean it would be like the CEO of General Motors, Mary Barra, driving a 
>> Mustang…it just isn’t going to happen.
>> 
>> So this Android phone turned out to be very expensive, costing close to 60 
>> BILLION in his divorce settlement.  
>> 
>> Serves him right.
>> 
>> Now the news wires are lighting up about the story that it was an iPhone 
>> that was hacked….WHAT?
>> 
>> Turns out the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia sent a video that had embedded 
>> hack that allowed access to Bezos phone…using the WhatsApp used for 
>> communication.
>> 
>> It’s cross platform and I guess bunches of folks use it, but it’s owned by 
>> Facebook, which is second only to Google in spying on us, so I ask this 
>> question.
>> 
>> If Bezos had been using Apple’s Mail, could this same thing have happened?  
>> 
>> If so, why hasn’t it happened to tens of thousands of us prior to now, lots 
>> of high profile folks use the iPhone, from The President to most of the 
>> Hollywood types, business leaders that the competition would love to learn 
>> of company trade secrets.
>> 
>> Are those that use WhatsApp playing Russian Roulette?  
>> 
>> Those in the know, what are your thoughts?
>> 
>> John
>> 
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[Ed Wiser]

I posted earlier this week a Phishing email screen shot. Of an “Apple” email 
with a windows document attached that I was suppose to open. 
I did not open it I sent it to Apple Phishing  with the file attached included. 
Never open an attachment unless you asked some one to send you something. Even 
then ask the person if they sent you a file before opening. 
To many times we get in a hurry and open with out thinking. 
I have gotten three phishing emails this week in the Same style. Everyone was 
sent to Apple. Never open an attachment before checking it out. Look at the 
email addresses tap and hold to see the actual email address the name you see 
can be spoofed. Just like phone calls can be spoofed to show the 502 area code 
from India they can spoof addresses to. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2020, at 10:02 AM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> When Jeff Bezos hacked phone hit the news my daughter text me asking how in 
> the world an iPhone was hacked to get his love notes and photos which were 
> then published in the Enquirer.
> 
> Oh, my dear daughter, Bezos is the King of Android, his firm sells more 
> Android devices than all the others combined…he would have been using an 
> Android phone..
> 
> I told the world here was a good example of the value of an Android.
> 
> I mean it would be like the CEO of General Motors, Mary Barra, driving a 
> Mustang…it just isn’t going to happen.
> 
> So this Android phone turned out to be very expensive, costing close to 60 
> BILLION in his divorce settlement.  
> 
> Serves him right.
> 
> Now the news wires are lighting up about the story that it was an iPhone that 
> was hacked….WHAT?
> 
> Turns out the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia sent a video that had embedded 
> hack that allowed access to Bezos phone…using the WhatsApp used for 
> communication.
> 
> It’s cross platform and I guess bunches of folks use it, but it’s owned by 
> Facebook, which is second only to Google in spying on us, so I ask this 
> question.
> 
> If Bezos had been using Apple’s Mail, could this same thing have happened?  
> 
> If so, why hasn’t it happened to tens of thousands of us prior to now, lots 
> of high profile folks use the iPhone, from The President to most of the 
> Hollywood types, business leaders that the competition would love to learn of 
> company trade secrets.
> 
> Are those that use WhatsApp playing Russian Roulette?  
> 
> Those in the know, what are your thoughts?
> 
> John
> 
>  
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[MacGroup] The Hack of a Famous iPhone

[John Robinson]

When Jeff Bezos hacked phone hit the news my daughter text me asking how in the 
world an iPhone was hacked to get his love notes and photos which were then 
published in the Enquirer.

Oh, my dear daughter, Bezos is the King of Android, his firm sells more Android 
devices than all the others combined…he would have been using an Android phone..

I told the world here was a good example of the value of an Android.

I mean it would be like the CEO of General Motors, Mary Barra, driving a 
Mustang…it just isn’t going to happen.

So this Android phone turned out to be very expensive, costing close to 60 
BILLION in his divorce settlement.  

Serves him right.

Now the news wires are lighting up about the story that it was an iPhone that 
was hacked….WHAT?

Turns out the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia sent a video that had embedded hack 
that allowed access to Bezos phone…using the WhatsApp used for communication.

It’s cross platform and I guess bunches of folks use it, but it’s owned by 
Facebook, which is second only to Google in spying on us, so I ask this 
question.

If Bezos had been using Apple’s Mail, could this same thing have happened?  

If so, why hasn’t it happened to tens of thousands of us prior to now, lots of 
high profile folks use the iPhone, from The President to most of the Hollywood 
types, business leaders that the competition would love to learn of company 
trade secrets.

Are those that use WhatsApp playing Russian Roulette?  

Those in the know, what are your thoughts?

John

 
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