Re: [MacGroup] Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay

[Beth Phillips]

How timely a conversation as I am in the process of evaluating whether I want 
another Fitbit device or spring for an Apple Watch. I'm on my second Fitbit 
Charge HR and have had problems with both devices that upon investigation seem 
to be known issues with the devices, but not ones that Fitbit wants to backup 
beyond their 1-year warranty. They don't cover their replacement devices either 
because they say their warranty only covers the original, not any replacement 
products. (Does anyone know Apple's policy if they have to replace your Watch?) 
I just received a third-party replacement part today that I'm hoping will 
resolve a current issue I'm having with one of the two Fitbits I have now. If 
it doesn't I'm probably looking at a new tracker sometime in the near future.

As far as Fitbit tracking steps, it counts things like mixing up cake batter by 
hand as steps. (The first time that happened I almost dropped the bowl of 
batter when it started vibrating to let me know I had hit 10,000 steps for the 
day.) I had one friend tell me it tracks steps when she sits in her rocking 
chair. From personal experience I know if I simulate working a speed bag it 
will track the punches as steps. It also counts when I'm weed eating and moving 
the weed eater back and forth, basically standing in one spot. So it can be a 
bit on the high side with how many steps you actually walked. But hey, if she 
is trying to earn more points through her Humana app than she may want that 
"feature". J

I'd be curious to hear from anyone who has used both Fitbit and Watch as to 
which they prefer and why. I know there are all the added benefits of the Watch 
allowing me to answer phone calls, etc, but honestly that's not something I 
need as I generally have my phone with me. If I do spring for the Watch it 
would be the cheaper non-cellular version. Being totally frustrated with 
Fitbit's quality of late, I was leaning towards the Watch but then I wasn't 
sure about the activity tracking. Fitbit's software allowed me to categorize 
different activities such as Martial Arts, Zumba, Walking, Dancing, Gardening, 
etc. so I could go back later and see what type of workout I had on a given 
day, but I wasn't sure if the Watch could do that. Somewhere I read it only 
tracked walking, running and biking as specific activities.

Thought I'd share this link to a pretty in-depth article on Fitbit vs Apple 
Watch that came out back in January in the UK. I just found it over the 
weekend, but haven't had a chance to really dig in and digest it all, but it's 
on my reading list to see which direction I may want to go if I can't get my 
Fitbit working again. It also has a link to compare the various Fitbit devices' 
features that I'll be taking a look at too.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.techadvisor.co.uk_feature_wearable-2Dtech_fitbit-2Dvs-2Dapple-2Dwatch-2D2018-2D3612954_=DwIFAg=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=-Yi4NmX37b2xXSbFN7zuzWEzXn3omw5NvJnYVK_y5uA=Qm06vMF8gKNgyfI667-j0-gg906oMEx-W7IHMSyqBKg=

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[Lee Larson]

On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:55 PM, John Robinson mailto:profilecoven...@icloud.com>> wrote:

> Is this the definition of BIG DATA?  Thanks so much Lee, this is so 
> interesting and accurate..

Just a little demonstration of how science is actually done in this post-fact 
era.

L^2

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[John Robinson]

Lee,

My comment to my daughter about you being a Geek is the highest complement I 
could give you, your one in a million and I’ve envied your abilities for 
years…she doesn’t know you and this was a good way to explain your talents.

John

> On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:55 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Is this the definition of BIG DATA?  Thanks so much Lee, this is so 
> interesting and accurate..
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:52 PM, Lee Larson > > wrote:
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Bill Rising > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Part of the difference could come from where she wears the fitbit. After 
>>> some discussions in our family (back when there was a friendly competition 
>>> about who could rack up the most steps), experimentation showed that many 
>>> more steps got registered if the fitbit was on a sock/shoe than if it was 
>>> near the waist, and near the waist registered more than near the neck.
>> 
>> 
>> I suspect this is right. I have a pretty good Omron pedometer, designed to 
>> be worn at waist level. It is basically an accelerometer that counts steps 
>> by measuring the acceleration and deceleration as I walk or run. The Apple 
>> Watch is on my wrist and I’m much more likely to shake my wrist around, 
>> adding phantom steps.
>> 
>> I did an experiment this morning. The dog took me to Hays-Kennedy park and I 
>> steadily walked on the track while counting my steps. I wore the following:
>> 
>> • Omron pedometer near my right hip clipped to the waistband of my shorts.
>> • iPhone in my left pocket running the Pedometer++ app.
>> • Apple Watch on my left wrist.
>> • Garmin Vivofit on my right wrist.
>> 
>> Here are the results:
>> 
>> • 2578 = my count of the number of steps
>> • 2564 = Omron   (0.5% low)
>> • 2607 = iPhone  (1.1% high)
>> • 2702 = Apple Watch (6.6% high)
>> • 2637 = Garmin  (4.1% high)
>> 
>> It seems the ones near the hips are most accurate. 
>> 
>> L^2
>> 
>> PS/ Pedometer++ has the capability to average in the count from the Apple 
>> Watch. I turned that off in its preferences.
>> 
>> PPS/ The Apple Watch may have been skewed because I was holding a very 
>> active leash in my left hand most of the time.
>> 
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[Lee Larson]

On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Bill Rising mailto:bris...@mac.com>> wrote:

> Part of the difference could come from where she wears the fitbit. After some 
> discussions in our family (back when there was a friendly competition about 
> who could rack up the most steps), experimentation showed that many more 
> steps got registered if the fitbit was on a sock/shoe than if it was near the 
> waist, and near the waist registered more than near the neck.


I suspect this is right. I have a pretty good Omron pedometer, designed to be 
worn at waist level. It is basically an accelerometer that counts steps by 
measuring the acceleration and deceleration as I walk or run. The Apple Watch 
is on my wrist and I’m much more likely to shake my wrist around, adding 
phantom steps.

I did an experiment this morning. The dog took me to Hays-Kennedy park and I 
steadily walked on the track while counting my steps. I wore the following:

• Omron pedometer near my right hip clipped to the waistband of my shorts.
• iPhone in my left pocket running the Pedometer++ app.
• Apple Watch on my left wrist.
• Garmin Vivofit on my right wrist.

Here are the results:

• 2578 = my count of the number of steps
• 2564 = Omron  (0.5% low)
• 2607 = iPhone (1.1% high)
• 2702 = Apple Watch(6.6% high)
• 2637 = Garmin (4.1% high)

It seems the ones near the hips are most accurate.

L^2

PS/ Pedometer++ has the capability to average in the count from the Apple 
Watch. I turned that off in its preferences.

PPS/ The Apple Watch may have been skewed because I was holding a very active 
leash in my left hand most of the time.

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as much chance as a one-armed blind man in a dark room trying to shove a pound 
of melted butter into a wild-cat’s ear with a red-hot needle.’ ‌— P. G. 
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[John Robinson]

THAT’s Crazy, thanks Bill…I want my daughter to see all these emails as she 
assumes FitBit is the correct one, and with Humana she would receive a bigger 
bonus…she is an exercise nut, almost 50 but she goes every day and has the 
figure of a 20 yr old…now with being rewarded she wants her numbers to be a 
high as she can get.  The FitBit’s kept breaking so she wanted the Apple 
Watch…in reality it may be the correct one.

John



> On Jul 2, 2018, at 2:02 PM, William Micou  wrote:
> 
> My buddy & I had FitBit battles (before we both went with Apple Watches). He 
> would always beat me in number of steps every day. His job was stocking 
> shelves at a grocery, but the FitBit counted those movements as steps! I even 
> tried to beat his numbers by strapping the FitBit to an electric drill and 
> let it whirl around for a while. I still lost! Now with our Apple Watches, 
> our steps are similar. 
> 
> "It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top.”
> 
> On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:16 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> That’s interesting Bill, thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Bill Rising >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Part of the difference could come from where she wears the fitbit. After 
>>> some discussions in our family (back when there was a friendly competition 
>>> about who could rack up the most steps), experimentation showed that many 
>>> more steps got registered if the fitbit was on a sock/shoe than if it was 
>>> near the waist, and near the waist registered more than near the neck. 
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2018, at 19:58, John Robinson >>> > wrote:
 
 My daughter works for Humana, they give gift cards for documented 
 exercise.  Last Christmas she had close to $600.00 to use. 
 
 We gave her a new model 3 AppleWatch for Christmas & it has continually 
 shown less of a workout than she is getting.  Her old Fitbit shows 
 considerably more.  She has worked with Apple to adjust settings for her 
 stride but it’s still not accurate.  I think she needs to have it 
 replaced.  In her case accuracy is money.  
 
 John 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:57 PM, John Robinson >>> > wrote:
 
> In a hurry this week I left the phone at the office, while out I 
> remembered we had a lady coming to the house with her grandson, I had 
> taken a Tiffany lamp apart & left the shade on the chair.  I tried my 
> first call without the phone on me.  Worked fine, my wife could hear me 
> fine & I could hear her.  I looked like Dick Tracy but it worked like a 
> charm.  Had the AirPods been with me it would have made it better.  I 
> then got Green Tea & paid with the Watch all with no phone. 
> 
> John 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Lee Larson  > wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Anne Cartwright > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Which do you think was (is) more accurate?
>> 
>> The pedometer was quite a bit more accurate. Hays-Kennedy park has a 
>> paved track that’s a little over 0.6 miles around. I did two laps and 
>> counted my steps. The pedometer was right on and the watch was about 8% 
>> high.
>> 
>> I think the watch uses GPS for distance, so that might be more accurate 
>> than the pedometer.
>> 
>> L^2
>> 
>> 
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My buddy & I had FitBit battles (before we both went with Apple Watches). He 
would always beat me in number of steps every day. His job was stocking shelves 
at a grocery, but the FitBit counted those movements as steps! I even tried to 
beat his numbers by strapping the FitBit to an electric drill and let it whirl 
around for a while. I still lost! Now with our Apple Watches, our steps are 
similar. 

"It’s the sides of the mountain which sustain life, not the top.”

> On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:16 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> That’s interesting Bill, thanks.
> 
> 
> John
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Bill Rising  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Part of the difference could come from where she wears the fitbit. After 
>> some discussions in our family (back when there was a friendly competition 
>> about who could rack up the most steps), experimentation showed that many 
>> more steps got registered if the fitbit was on a sock/shoe than if it was 
>> near the waist, and near the waist registered more than near the neck. 
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 19:58, John Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My daughter works for Humana, they give gift cards for documented exercise. 
>>>  Last Christmas she had close to $600.00 to use. 
>>> 
>>> We gave her a new model 3 AppleWatch for Christmas & it has continually 
>>> shown less of a workout than she is getting.  Her old Fitbit shows 
>>> considerably more.  She has worked with Apple to adjust settings for her 
>>> stride but it’s still not accurate.  I think she needs to have it replaced. 
>>>  In her case accuracy is money.  
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:57 PM, John Robinson  
 wrote:
 
 In a hurry this week I left the phone at the office, while out I 
 remembered we had a lady coming to the house with her grandson, I had 
 taken a Tiffany lamp apart & left the shade on the chair.  I tried my 
 first call without the phone on me.  Worked fine, my wife could hear me 
 fine & I could hear her.  I looked like Dick Tracy but it worked like a 
 charm.  Had the AirPods been with me it would have made it better.  I then 
 got Green Tea & paid with the Watch all with no phone. 
 
 John 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>> 
>> Which do you think was (is) more accurate?
> 
> The pedometer was quite a bit more accurate. Hays-Kennedy park has a 
> paved track that’s a little over 0.6 miles around. I did two laps and 
> counted my steps. The pedometer was right on and the watch was about 8% 
> high.
> 
> I think the watch uses GPS for distance, so that might be more accurate 
> than the pedometer.
> 
> L^2
> 
> 
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[John Robinson]

That’s interesting Bill, thanks.


John

> On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Bill Rising  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Part of the difference could come from where she wears the fitbit. After some 
> discussions in our family (back when there was a friendly competition about 
> who could rack up the most steps), experimentation showed that many more 
> steps got registered if the fitbit was on a sock/shoe than if it was near the 
> waist, and near the waist registered more than near the neck. 
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 19:58, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> My daughter works for Humana, they give gift cards for documented exercise.  
>> Last Christmas she had close to $600.00 to use. 
>> 
>> We gave her a new model 3 AppleWatch for Christmas & it has continually 
>> shown less of a workout than she is getting.  Her old Fitbit shows 
>> considerably more.  She has worked with Apple to adjust settings for her 
>> stride but it’s still not accurate.  I think she needs to have it replaced.  
>> In her case accuracy is money.  
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:57 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>>> In a hurry this week I left the phone at the office, while out I remembered 
>>> we had a lady coming to the house with her grandson, I had taken a Tiffany 
>>> lamp apart & left the shade on the chair.  I tried my first call without 
>>> the phone on me.  Worked fine, my wife could hear me fine & I could hear 
>>> her.  I looked like Dick Tracy but it worked like a charm.  Had the AirPods 
>>> been with me it would have made it better.  I then got Green Tea & paid 
>>> with the Watch all with no phone. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
 
> Which do you think was (is) more accurate?
 
 The pedometer was quite a bit more accurate. Hays-Kennedy park has a paved 
 track that’s a little over 0.6 miles around. I did two laps and counted my 
 steps. The pedometer was right on and the watch was about 8% high.
 
 I think the watch uses GPS for distance, so that might be more accurate 
 than the pedometer.
 
 L^2
 
 
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Hi John,

Part of the difference could come from where she wears the fitbit. After some 
discussions in our family (back when there was a friendly competition about who 
could rack up the most steps), experimentation showed that many more steps got 
registered if the fitbit was on a sock/shoe than if it was near the waist, and 
near the waist registered more than near the neck. 

Bill


> On Jul 1, 2018, at 19:58, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> My daughter works for Humana, they give gift cards for documented exercise.  
> Last Christmas she had close to $600.00 to use. 
> 
>  We gave her a new model 3 AppleWatch for Christmas & it has continually 
> shown less of a workout than she is getting.  Her old Fitbit shows 
> considerably more.  She has worked with Apple to adjust settings for her 
> stride but it’s still not accurate.  I think she needs to have it replaced.  
> In her case accuracy is money.  
> 
> John 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:57 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
>> In a hurry this week I left the phone at the office, while out I remembered 
>> we had a lady coming to the house with her grandson, I had taken a Tiffany 
>> lamp apart & left the shade on the chair.  I tried my first call without the 
>> phone on me.  Worked fine, my wife could hear me fine & I could hear her.  I 
>> looked like Dick Tracy but it worked like a charm.  Had the AirPods been 
>> with me it would have made it better.  I then got Green Tea & paid with the 
>> Watch all with no phone. 
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>>> 
 Which do you think was (is) more accurate?
>>> 
>>> The pedometer was quite a bit more accurate. Hays-Kennedy park has a paved 
>>> track that’s a little over 0.6 miles around. I did two laps and counted my 
>>> steps. The pedometer was right on and the watch was about 8% high.
>>> 
>>> I think the watch uses GPS for distance, so that might be more accurate 
>>> than the pedometer.
>>> 
>>> L^2
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> stupider than that. ‌— George Carlin
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Thanks Tom.  I’ll let her know. 

John

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2018, at 8:16 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
> 
> Definitely needs replacing. My neighbor has fitbit and I have apple 3 watch. 
> all data very close. within 1%
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 1:58 PM, John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> My daughter works for Humana, they give gift cards for documented exercise.  
>> Last Christmas she had close to $600.00 to use. 
>> 
>>  We gave her a new model 3 AppleWatch for Christmas & it has continually 
>> shown less of a workout than she is getting.  Her old Fitbit shows 
>> considerably more.  She has worked with Apple to adjust settings for her 
>> stride but it’s still not accurate.  I think she needs to have it replaced.  
>> In her case accuracy is money.  
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:57 PM, John Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In a hurry this week I left the phone at the office, while out I remembered 
>>> we had a lady coming to the house with her grandson, I had taken a Tiffany 
>>> lamp apart & left the shade on the chair.  I tried my first call without 
>>> the phone on me.  Worked fine, my wife could hear me fine & I could hear 
>>> her.  I looked like Dick Tracy but it worked like a charm.  Had the AirPods 
>>> been with me it would have made it better.  I then got Green Tea & paid 
>>> with the Watch all with no phone. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
 
> On Jul 1, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
> 
> Which do you think was (is) more accurate?
 
 The pedometer was quite a bit more accurate. Hays-Kennedy park has a paved 
 track that’s a little over 0.6 miles around. I did two laps and counted my 
 steps. The pedometer was right on and the watch was about 8% high.
 
 I think the watch uses GPS for distance, so that might be more accurate 
 than the pedometer.
 
 L^2
 
 
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[tom holloman]

Definitely needs replacing. My neighbor has fitbit and I have apple 3
watch. all data very close. within 1%

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 1:58 PM, John Robinson 
wrote:

> My daughter works for Humana, they give gift cards for documented
> exercise.  Last Christmas she had close to $600.00 to use.
>
>  We gave her a new model 3 AppleWatch for Christmas & it has continually
> shown less of a workout than she is getting.  Her old Fitbit shows
> considerably more.  She has worked with Apple to adjust settings for her
> stride but it’s still not accurate.  I think she needs to have it
> replaced.  In her case accuracy is money.
>
> John
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> wrote:
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> In a hurry this week I left the phone at the office, while out I
> remembered we had a lady coming to the house with her grandson, I had taken
> a Tiffany lamp apart & left the shade on the chair.  I tried my first call
> without the phone on me.  Worked fine, my wife could hear me fine & I could
> hear her.  I looked like Dick Tracy but it worked like a charm.  Had the
> AirPods been with me it would have made it better.  I then got Green Tea &
> paid with the Watch all with no phone.
>
> John
>
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> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
>
> On Jul 1, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>
> Which do you think was (is) more accurate?
>
>
> The pedometer was quite a bit more accurate. Hays-Kennedy park has a paved
> track that’s a little over 0.6 miles around. I did two laps and counted my
> steps. The pedometer was right on and the watch was about 8% high.
>
> I think the watch uses GPS for distance, so that might be more accurate
> than the pedometer.
>
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[John Robinson]

My daughter works for Humana, they give gift cards for documented exercise.  
Last Christmas she had close to $600.00 to use. 

 We gave her a new model 3 AppleWatch for Christmas & it has continually shown 
less of a workout than she is getting.  Her old Fitbit shows considerably more. 
 She has worked with Apple to adjust settings for her stride but it’s still not 
accurate.  I think she needs to have it replaced.  In her case accuracy is 
money.  

John 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2018, at 6:57 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> In a hurry this week I left the phone at the office, while out I remembered 
> we had a lady coming to the house with her grandson, I had taken a Tiffany 
> lamp apart & left the shade on the chair.  I tried my first call without the 
> phone on me.  Worked fine, my wife could hear me fine & I could hear her.  I 
> looked like Dick Tracy but it worked like a charm.  Had the AirPods been with 
> me it would have made it better.  I then got Green Tea & paid with the Watch 
> all with no phone. 
> 
> John 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Which do you think was (is) more accurate?
>> 
>> The pedometer was quite a bit more accurate. Hays-Kennedy park has a paved 
>> track that’s a little over 0.6 miles around. I did two laps and counted my 
>> steps. The pedometer was right on and the watch was about 8% high.
>> 
>> I think the watch uses GPS for distance, so that might be more accurate than 
>> the pedometer.
>> 
>> L^2
>> 
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In a hurry this week I left the phone at the office, while out I remembered we 
had a lady coming to the house with her grandson, I had taken a Tiffany lamp 
apart & left the shade on the chair.  I tried my first call without the phone 
on me.  Worked fine, my wife could hear me fine & I could hear her.  I looked 
like Dick Tracy but it worked like a charm.  Had the AirPods been with me it 
would have made it better.  I then got Green Tea & paid with the Watch all with 
no phone. 

John 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Anne Cartwright  wrote:
>> 
>> Which do you think was (is) more accurate?
> 
> The pedometer was quite a bit more accurate. Hays-Kennedy park has a paved 
> track that’s a little over 0.6 miles around. I did two laps and counted my 
> steps. The pedometer was right on and the watch was about 8% high.
> 
> I think the watch uses GPS for distance, so that might be more accurate than 
> the pedometer.
> 
> L^2
> 
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[John Robinson]

Harry, 

Easier. Double click on the bottom button.  Swipe to the card you want, hold 
the Watch close to the reader, done. 

If your listening to a book or music & controlling it from the Watch the double 
click to pay pauses & once the transaction is over the book resumes.  Very 
simple & you don’t need a phone if your using a Cellular Watch. 

John

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> On Jul 1, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
> 
> How is using Apple Pay on the Apple Watch different than using it on your 
> iPhone?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 10:26 PM, John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If the folks that have an Apple Watch would use ApplePay the merchants would 
>> be overwhelmed & more quickly adopt the system.  I see the Watch on a large 
>> number of people, I’ll walk up & ask most of them if they are using it for 
>> ApplePay, 90% say no.  I tell them they are forgoing it’s best feature, 
>> unless you include health monitoring.  Most tell me they will get serious 
>> just to get this creep away.  
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I too find I’m explaining how it works to some merchants.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:10 PM, John Robinson  
 wrote:
 
 I’ve never had a merchant ask me either, rather I’m explaining what it is, 
 how it works, & I’ll shop where it’s offered.  This week I went to ACE to 
 get a part, the ApplePay was not working, I said I shop there because of 
 Apple & they need to make the repairs. 
 
 John
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:e
> 
> My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.
> 
> I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay
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On Jul 1, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer mailto:harr...@me.com>> wrote:

> so if you answer your phone with the Apple Watch does it have a speaker? If 
> not, don’t you still have to dig your iPhone out of your pocket?

The watch has a speaker and microphone. There are two ways to use it as a 
phone. If you have the more expensive version of the Watch 3, it is a 
stand-alone cell phone. The lesser versions use the cell phone in your pocket, 
connected via Bluetooth. I have the cheaper version of Watch 3.

You can make calls by talking to Siri on the watch, just like on the iPhone. 
When somebody’s calling you, the watch makes a ringing sound and tingles on 
your wrist.

It’s like the old Dick Tracy wrist phone without video. I use it quite often.

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On Jul 1, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer mailto:harr...@me.com>> wrote:

> How is using Apple Pay on the Apple Watch different than using it on your 
> iPhone?


There’s not much difference, except you don’t have to dig out the phone. Just 
push the button on the side of the phone twice and hold it by the sensor. When 
it catches, you feel a little wiggle from the phone.

I used it in Subway a few weeks ago and the woman behind me in line thought I 
was stealing a sandwich because she didn’t see any way I could have paid. It 
looks a little magical.

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On Jul 1, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Anne Cartwright mailto:cartw...@aye.net>> wrote:

> Which do you think was (is) more accurate?

The pedometer was quite a bit more accurate. Hays-Kennedy park has a paved 
track that’s a little over 0.6 miles around. I did two laps and counted my 
steps. The pedometer was right on and the watch was about 8% high.

I think the watch uses GPS for distance, so that might be more accurate than 
the pedometer.

L^2


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so if you answer your phone with the Apple Watch does it have a speaker? If 
not, don’t you still have to dig your iPhone out of your pocket?
> On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> On Jun 30, 2018, at 10:26 PM, John Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
>> If the folks that have an Apple Watch would use ApplePay the merchants would 
>> be overwhelmed & more quickly adopt the system.  I see the Watch on a large 
>> number of people, I’ll walk up & ask most of them if they are using it for 
>> ApplePay, 90% say no.  I tell them they are forgoing it’s best feature, 
>> unless you include health monitoring.  Most tell me they will get serious 
>> just to get this creep away. 
> 
> I was given an Apple Watch for Christmas. I have to admit ApplePay is the 
> nicest feature of the gadget. Other things come close such as answering a 
> call with it instead of digging the phone out of my pocket, and unlocking a 
> Mac by just sitting down in front of it.
> 
> For a while I was obsessed with filling in the circles. That’s worn off 
> because I compared the step count on the watch with that from a good 
> pedometer—not even close! The watch was much higher.
> 
> L^2
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[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

How is using Apple Pay on the Apple Watch different than using it on your 
iPhone?



> On Jun 30, 2018, at 10:26 PM, John Robinson  
> wrote:
> 
> If the folks that have an Apple Watch would use ApplePay the merchants would 
> be overwhelmed & more quickly adopt the system.  I see the Watch on a large 
> number of people, I’ll walk up & ask most of them if they are using it for 
> ApplePay, 90% say no.  I tell them they are forgoing it’s best feature, 
> unless you include health monitoring.  Most tell me they will get serious 
> just to get this creep away.  
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
>> 
>> I too find I’m explaining how it works to some merchants.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:10 PM, John Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never had a merchant ask me either, rather I’m explaining what it is, 
>>> how it works, & I’ll shop where it’s offered.  This week I went to ACE to 
>>> get a part, the ApplePay was not working, I said I shop there because of 
>>> Apple & they need to make the repairs. 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:e
 
 My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.
 
 I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.
 
> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cultofmac.com_558919_apple-2Dpay-2Dsupreme-2Dcourt-2Damerican-2Dexpress_=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=NDmGgBnT7dex0KZSxKbJNMCTvhYYGYbEKweHC2kvQok=LuE9y-bpzXoUp4WIvWN_YV9pEgfzI7j_VTX3JZUa_GI=
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> On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
> On Jun 30, 2018, at 10:26 PM, John Robinson  > wrote:
> 
>> If the folks that have an Apple Watch would use ApplePay the merchants would 
>> be overwhelmed & more quickly adopt the system.  I see the Watch on a large 
>> number of people, I’ll walk up & ask most of them if they are using it for 
>> ApplePay, 90% say no.  I tell them they are forgoing it’s best feature, 
>> unless you include health monitoring.  Most tell me they will get serious 
>> just to get this creep away. 
> 
> 
> I was given an Apple Watch for Christmas. I have to admit ApplePay is the 
> nicest feature of the gadget. Other things come close such as answering a 
> call with it instead of digging the phone out of my pocket, and unlocking a 
> Mac by just sitting down in front of it.
> 
> For a while I was obsessed with filling in the circles. That’s worn off 
> because I compared the step count on the watch with that from a good 
> pedometer—not even close! The watch was much higher.
> 
> L^2
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Lee, 

Newbie syndrome, first few days I had the Watch, when it told me to stand I 
would pull over at earliest convenience & get out to walk around the car.  
Grief.  And when it tells me I only closed two of my circles yesterday & I can 
do better today I feel like such a failure. 

John 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Lee Larson  wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 10:26 PM, John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If the folks that have an Apple Watch would use ApplePay the merchants would 
>> be overwhelmed & more quickly adopt the system.  I see the Watch on a large 
>> number of people, I’ll walk up & ask most of them if they are using it for 
>> ApplePay, 90% say no.  I tell them they are forgoing it’s best feature, 
>> unless you include health monitoring.  Most tell me they will get serious 
>> just to get this creep away. 
> 
> 
> I was given an Apple Watch for Christmas. I have to admit ApplePay is the 
> nicest feature of the gadget. Other things come close such as answering a 
> call with it instead of digging the phone out of my pocket, and unlocking a 
> Mac by just sitting down in front of it.
> 
> For a while I was obsessed with filling in the circles. That’s worn off 
> because I compared the step count on the watch with that from a good 
> pedometer—not even close! The watch was much higher.
> 
> L^2
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On Jun 30, 2018, at 10:26 PM, John Robinson mailto:profilecoven...@icloud.com>> wrote:

> If the folks that have an Apple Watch would use ApplePay the merchants would 
> be overwhelmed & more quickly adopt the system.  I see the Watch on a large 
> number of people, I’ll walk up & ask most of them if they are using it for 
> ApplePay, 90% say no.  I tell them they are forgoing it’s best feature, 
> unless you include health monitoring.  Most tell me they will get serious 
> just to get this creep away.


I was given an Apple Watch for Christmas. I have to admit ApplePay is the 
nicest feature of the gadget. Other things come close such as answering a call 
with it instead of digging the phone out of my pocket, and unlocking a Mac by 
just sitting down in front of it.

For a while I was obsessed with filling in the circles. That’s worn off because 
I compared the step count on the watch with that from a good pedometer—not even 
close! The watch was much higher.

L^2

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[tom holloman]

Understand completely. Many family members cannot understand why this is so 
much more secure than credit card. Like someone said “they walk among us”.

> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:26 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> If the folks that have an Apple Watch would use ApplePay the merchants would 
> be overwhelmed & more quickly adopt the system.  I see the Watch on a large 
> number of people, I’ll walk up & ask most of them if they are using it for 
> ApplePay, 90% say no.  I tell them they are forgoing it’s best feature, 
> unless you include health monitoring.  Most tell me they will get serious 
> just to get this creep away.  
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
>> 
>> I too find I’m explaining how it works to some merchants.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:10 PM, John Robinson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve never had a merchant ask me either, rather I’m explaining what it is, 
>>> how it works, & I’ll shop where it’s offered.  This week I went to ACE to 
>>> get a part, the ApplePay was not working, I said I shop there because of 
>>> Apple & they need to make the repairs. 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:e
 
 My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.
 
 I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.
 
> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cultofmac.com_558919_apple-2Dpay-2Dsupreme-2Dcourt-2Damerican-2Dexpress_=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=NDmGgBnT7dex0KZSxKbJNMCTvhYYGYbEKweHC2kvQok=LuE9y-bpzXoUp4WIvWN_YV9pEgfzI7j_VTX3JZUa_GI=
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[John Robinson]

If the folks that have an Apple Watch would use ApplePay the merchants would be 
overwhelmed & more quickly adopt the system.  I see the Watch on a large number 
of people, I’ll walk up & ask most of them if they are using it for ApplePay, 
90% say no.  I tell them they are forgoing it’s best feature, unless you 
include health monitoring.  Most tell me they will get serious just to get this 
creep away.  

John

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> On Jun 30, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
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> I too find I’m explaining how it works to some merchants.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:10 PM, John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve never had a merchant ask me either, rather I’m explaining what it is, 
>> how it works, & I’ll shop where it’s offered.  This week I went to ACE to 
>> get a part, the ApplePay was not working, I said I shop there because of 
>> Apple & they need to make the repairs. 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:e
>>> 
>>> My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.
>>> 
>>> I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
 
 
 
 Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay
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[John Robinson]

There is a restaurant in Bowling Green that my wife & I love to grab lunch.  
Two visits ago the owner happened to be taking the orders & Payment.  I ask him 
if he had ApplePay & he said no.  I said, shame on you, it’s the safest way for 
your customers to pay you. No smiles, but when we went back 3 weeks ago they 
took ApplePay.  Every once in awhile I get lucky. 

John. 

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> On Jun 30, 2018, at 6:52 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
> 
> I too find I’m explaining how it works to some merchants.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:10 PM, John Robinson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve never had a merchant ask me either, rather I’m explaining what it is, 
>> how it works, & I’ll shop where it’s offered.  This week I went to ACE to 
>> get a part, the ApplePay was not working, I said I shop there because of 
>> Apple & they need to make the repairs. 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:e
>>> 
>>> My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.
>>> 
>>> I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
 
 
 
 Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay
 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cultofmac.com_558919_apple-2Dpay-2Dsupreme-2Dcourt-2Damerican-2Dexpress_=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=NDmGgBnT7dex0KZSxKbJNMCTvhYYGYbEKweHC2kvQok=LuE9y-bpzXoUp4WIvWN_YV9pEgfzI7j_VTX3JZUa_GI=
 
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[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

I too find I’m explaining how it works to some merchants.


> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:10 PM, John Robinson  wrote:
> 
> I’ve never had a merchant ask me either, rather I’m explaining what it is, 
> how it works, & I’ll shop where it’s offered.  This week I went to ACE to get 
> a part, the ApplePay was not working, I said I shop there because of Apple & 
> they need to make the repairs. 
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:e
>> 
>> My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.
>> 
>> I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cultofmac.com_558919_apple-2Dpay-2Dsupreme-2Dcourt-2Damerican-2Dexpress_=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=NDmGgBnT7dex0KZSxKbJNMCTvhYYGYbEKweHC2kvQok=LuE9y-bpzXoUp4WIvWN_YV9pEgfzI7j_VTX3JZUa_GI=
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[tom holloman]

Just used mine at ace here. Only two places on island take it

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 11:11 AM John Robinson 
wrote:

> I’ve never had a merchant ask me either, rather I’m explaining what it is,
> how it works, & I’ll shop where it’s offered.  This week I went to ACE to
> get a part, the ApplePay was not working, I said I shop there because of
> Apple & they need to make the repairs.
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer 
> wrote:e
> >
> > My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.
> >
> > I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.
> >
> >> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay
> >>
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[John Robinson]

I’ve never had a merchant ask me either, rather I’m explaining what it is, how 
it works, & I’ll shop where it’s offered.  This week I went to ACE to get a 
part, the ApplePay was not working, I said I shop there because of Apple & they 
need to make the repairs. 

John

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> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:e
> 
> My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.
> 
> I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay
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[Tom]

Mine is too. Point is now merchant ask Someone to use Apple pay. If they just 
trying use card. Maybe not thinking. Terrible decision. 

Tom


> On Jun 30, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  wrote:
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> My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.
> 
> I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Supreme Court deals a blow to Apple Pay
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cultofmac.com_558919_apple-2Dpay-2Dsupreme-2Dcourt-2Damerican-2Dexpress_=DwIFaQ=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY=F2GFXrjLFqVo3VwvIlo_XYeEiRRjHv15rxcenz7A21woG2aFGcrzndoSsskxfmOs=NDmGgBnT7dex0KZSxKbJNMCTvhYYGYbEKweHC2kvQok=LuE9y-bpzXoUp4WIvWN_YV9pEgfzI7j_VTX3JZUa_GI=
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[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

My Amex card is attached to Apple Pay and I use it regularly.

I’ve never had a merchant ask me to use Apple Pay, however.

> On Jun 30, 2018, at 4:14 PM, tom holloman  wrote:
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