Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-26 Thread jeremiah
On Oct 19, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Chris Devers wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 19, 2007, at 2:51 AM, Chris Devers wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can draw a picture for you: http://finkproject.org/ In which case, your real argument appears

OT: non-perl dependencies (was: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!)

2007-10-19 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Oct 19, 2007 at 01:06:48PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All you have to do is call `apt-get update` and you have the new packages with dependency handling built in! (Even better than CPAN's because CPAN's can only handle perl dependecies ...

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Devers
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 19, 2007, at 2:51 AM, Chris Devers wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can draw a picture for you: http://finkproject.org/ In which case, your real argument appears to be the Fink people don't seem to be doing what

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-19 Thread jeremiah
On Oct 19, 2007, at 2:51 AM, Chris Devers wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Chris Devers wrote: Back to the point, this is what I'm confused about. If what you want is, pretty narrowly described, Debian's distribution system, then why are

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-18 Thread jeremiah
On Oct 18, 2007, at 3:29 AM, Ken Williams wrote: On Oct 17, 2007, at 10:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:25 PM, brian d foy wrote: In article B12928BB-8EB2-48E4- [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like I will have to stick with debian for developing

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-18 Thread Chris Nandor
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripting Bridge Use Objective-C, Ruby, and Python programs to automate Mac applications. The new Scripting Bridge enables them to easily generate AppleEvents using a concise, AppleScript-like syntax. Not a single word about perl.

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-18 Thread jeremiah
On Oct 18, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Chris Nandor wrote: Not sure what you mean by losing things from upstream. Just that when I chose to compile software on my own, I lose all the debian security work. They look over packages and report

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-18 Thread Chris Devers
On Oct 18, 2007, at 4:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Chris Nandor wrote: Not sure what you mean by losing things from upstream. Just that when I chose to compile software on my own, I lose all the debian security work. They look over packages and report

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-18 Thread jeremiah
On Oct 18, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Chris Devers wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 4:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 8:56 PM, Chris Nandor wrote: Not sure what you mean by losing things from upstream. Just that when I chose to compile software on my own, I lose all the debian

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-18 Thread Chris Devers
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Chris Devers wrote: Sorry, I'm confused -- why not just use Debian then? Yes. Yes isn't a conventional answer to a why not question, but... sure. You're basically saying you want their custom build

Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread jeremiah
Some yummy facts about Leopard: Scripting Bridge Use Objective-C, Ruby, and Python programs to automate Mac applications. The new Scripting Bridge enables them to easily generate AppleEvents using a concise, AppleScript-like syntax. Ruby on Rails Work in a developer's dreamland. Leopard is

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread brian d foy
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripting Bridge Use Objective-C, Ruby, and Python programs to automate Mac applications. The new Scripting Bridge enables them to easily generate AppleEvents using a concise, AppleScript-like syntax. Mac OS X comes with

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread jeremiah
On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:25 PM, brian d foy wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripting Bridge Use Objective-C, Ruby, and Python programs to automate Mac applications. The new Scripting Bridge enables them to easily generate AppleEvents using a concise,

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread Shane
On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some yummy facts about Leopard: Scripting Bridge Use Objective-C, Ruby, and Python programs to automate Mac applications. The new Scripting Bridge[...] Not a single word about perl. No mention of CamelBones I thought it was a well

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread Trey Harris
In a message dated Wed, 17 Oct 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, it does come with Mac::Carbon, and yes there is CamelBones. I just think that Apple seems to ignore mentioning perl in their fancy marketing campaigns. I get frustrated by that since there is a misunderstanding about perl in

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread Michael Barto
The Perl developers are kind of a quiet group. But I think that Apple has done a very reasonable job for developers. I remember even in old MacOS9 that this Perl was ahead of what I had on Sun Solaris OS. There is always a leading edge, but my application need to be distributed, therefore I am

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Oct 17, 2007, at 6:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some yummy facts about Leopard: Scripting Bridge Use Objective-C, Ruby, and Python programs to automate Mac applications. The new Scripting Bridge enables them to easily generate AppleEvents using a concise, AppleScript-like syntax.

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Oct 17, 2007, at 11:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had also hoped for a new version of perl They're shipping the latest release (5.8.8, as noted by Ed Moy) - what do you want them to do, ship bleadperl? sherm-- Web Hosting by West Virginians, for West Virginians: http://wv-www.net

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Oct 17, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Trey Harris wrote: Perhaps someone with the inside scoop can give some real beef (though I understand that that sort of inside baseball is something Apple strongly discourages). But I suspect it's just a case of marketing types taking a temperature on what's

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread Alex Robinson
Not a single word about perl. No mention of CamelBones, using the Scripting Bridge for perl, or the fact that perl has CPAN with 12,000+ high quality I'm surprised that you are surprised. After all you took part in the thread in which Sherm said this:

Re: Thanks Apple! You snubbed perl yet again!

2007-10-17 Thread Ken Williams
On Oct 17, 2007, at 10:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:25 PM, brian d foy wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like I will have to stick with debian for developing my LAMP applications. If you want to work on the Mac, you still