On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:23:25 -0800 Conrad Taylor
wrote:
> Objective-C isn't controlled by Apple. However, the Cocoa and iOS
It is for practical purposes controlled by Apple. Apple defines the
language and its semantics at this point, and the Mac is essentially
the only commercial environment tha
On Dec 23, 2011, at 2:47 AM, isaac kearse wrote:
> Are you aware that HotCocoa is being actively developed again?
> https://github.com/HotCocoa/hotcocoa/blob/master/History.markdown
That's good to know. It would also be good to know, if and when the subject
ever comes up, what its mission stat
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Dan Farrand
wrote:
> It's been great to read everyones thoughts on this subject. It's helped
> me get a better perspective on what MacRuby is.
>
> I am a Ruby newbie but have been working on Mac for a long time, mostly in
> the "business applications" space.
>
> H
Josh,
I guess I am just getting used to working with an open-source project. I am
used to discussing requirements and possible solutions with my cow-orkers
before writing code. It is a big change for me to just go ahead and write
something and ask to have it included. I'll give it a try.
I
On Thursday, December 22, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Jeff Hemmelgarn wrote:
> I cannot separate the stakeholders (and their issues) from the roadmap.
> MacRuby will go where people who care to push want it to go. Barring getting
> a job where I am paid to push MacRuby in a certain direction, I will be a
All,
I cannot separate the stakeholders (and their issues) from the roadmap.
MacRuby will go where people who care to push want it to go. Barring getting a
job where I am paid to push MacRuby in a certain direction, I will be at best a
small addition to the overall effort. Given that, I woul
Hi Jordan,
Are you aware that HotCocoa is being actively developed again?
https://github.com/HotCocoa/hotcocoa/blob/master/History.markdown
There is a good overview of contributions over time here:
https://github.com/HotCocoa/hotcocoa/graphs/impact
Cheers,
Isaac
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:56 PM,
Hey all,
I think we need to understand that this thread has been conflating two
different issues: 1. Apple support for MacRuby, and 2. the future roadmap
for MacRuby.
As for #1: I would respectfully suggest that if you feel you need some sort
of official "blessing" from Apple in order to continue
Hi Rich;
I understand most of what you say below. However there are a few issues.
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On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Rich Morin wrote:
> Apple has funded Laurent's work on MacRuby for quite a
> while. Jordan has played a major role in this project
> (and a number of other Open
It's been great to read everyones thoughts on this subject. It's helped me get
a better perspective on what MacRuby is.
I am a Ruby newbie but have been working on Mac for a long time, mostly in the
"business applications" space.
Here is my 2 cents. I am very much a Mac fanboy and consequentl
Apple has funded Laurent's work on MacRuby for quite a
while. Jordan has played a major role in this project
(and a number of other Open Source projects :-) and I'm
sure he is working to keep the effort going. However,
he can't make any promises. Specifically:
"We don't comment on future prod
I get the feeling few of you are every day ruby developers, there are
incompatibilities between all ruby versions, yes even between 1.9 and 1.8 so
why on earth should macruby be a finnished Sofa, snug and compfy. It is part of
rubys attraction that it still evolves.
If I want write a web applic
>
> This is a frustration of mind, that is Apples lack of buy in or official
> support is frustrating. It is one of the reasons I don't invest a lot of
> personal effort into following Mac Ruby. Going the Mac Ruby way means
> spending a lot of effort to learn something that may never get the
Jeff;
I probably can't help a lot here because frankly I'm not involved in
development and only come to the forums as a casual user. However I will add
my 2ยข below.
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On Dec 20, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Jeff Hemmelgarn wrote:
> I guess my main angst is with the the direction an
On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:43 AM, David Frantz wrote:
> As to nibs well the whole thing is just very obtuse and frustrating to me.
> Mind you my background is not the same as many here, being focused on
> industrial automation, but if find the use of nibs and Interface builder to
> be very taxi
I guess my main angst is with the the direction and philosophy of the project.
One vision of MacRuby has it being a fully compatible ruby implementation, that
happens to be built on the Objective-C runtime and have good integration to all
of the libraries provided by Apple, but wrap the guts so
The XCode integration is actually something that I find bothersome, especially
the reliance upon nibs or whatever they are called. As an IDE goes XCode has
never really been professional level, though I know that statement frustrates
many it is very much true.
As to nibs well the whole thing
Good questions.
I'd certainly like to see Apple put its weight behind MacRuby and leave us with
an official word of support. Like you I have a hard time putting much effort
into something that is wishy washy in its relationship with Apple. I still use
Python for most of my scripting needs
>
> No one outside of Apple can integrate it with XCode, or allow it on iOS
> devices.
While the XCode part is partly true (due to limited APIs to say the least),
MacRuby doesn't need to be blessed by Apple to run on iOS. Legally, Apple
isn't blocking anything.
I see that as a double edged sword
As someone who has been trying to help in my vanishing spare time, the actions
of Apple with regard to MacRuby are very important to my motivation. No one
outside of Apple can integrate it with XCode, or allow it on iOS devices. If
these things don't happen, MacRuby will be much less than it c
On Dec 20, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Kevin Poorman wrote:
> I wonder if we couldn't kickstarter a fund to let apple hire someone full
> time to do macruby work?
MacRuby is an open source project and, as such, is (and always has been) free
to seek or employ additional resources entirely on its own; it
I wonder if we couldn't kickstarter a fund to let apple hire someone full time
to do macruby work?
Anyone @ the mothership know if that'd be well received?
-Kevin
On Dec 20, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Dominic Dagradi wrote:
> Ha. I like that. It should be fun.
>
> MacRuby is fun. MacRuby is also not
Ha. I like that. It should be fun.
MacRuby is fun. MacRuby is also not yet perfect. Whatever politics are
happening inside Apple, we're not privy to them. I don't think anyone at Apple
"hates" it, given that they've fixed major bugs relatively recently.
Don't consider it a waste of time. You wi
if you don't have fun, you are doing it wrong.
On 20 Dec 2011, at 17:06, Dan Farrand wrote:
> I would like to probe sentiment around the future for MacRuby ? is there a
> future ? I am drawn to it - I like Ruby as a language and development
> approach. I appreciate the entrance it provides
I would like to probe sentiment around the future for MacRuby ? is there a
future ? I am drawn to it - I like Ruby as a language and development
approach. I appreciate the entrance it provides into Cocoa without having to
sign up for Objective-C. But where does it fit within Apple's longer t
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