Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-24 Thread Caitlyn Furness
Could somebody please explain the differences between the two modes? thanks! Cait On Jun 22, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well, I tried group mode on forum.audiogames.net, and it worked okay but my goodness it was very slow and laggy. Otherwise, it did exactly what

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-22 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Tim, The command to switch between DOM and Groups mode exists but has no shortcut. You have to use one of the commanders for this. The command is in the Web menu and is Toggle Web Navigation DOM or Group”. Cheers, Anne On 17 Jun 2015, at 16:30, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-22 Thread Tim Emmons
Thanks Anne, was just curious how that worked. I’ll have to take a look just to get familiar with the differences. Thanks again and take care. On Jun 22, 2015, at 1:24 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Tim, The command to switch between DOM and Groups mode exists but

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-22 Thread Devin Prater
Well, I tried group mode on forum.audiogames.net, and it worked okay but my goodness it was very slow and laggy. Otherwise, it did exactly what I wanted! On Jun 22, 2015, at 1:24 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Tim, The command to switch between DOM and Groups mode

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-21 Thread Tim Emmons
How does one switch between the two modes. I’ve always missed this one. On Jun 17, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Kaare Dehard kaare.deh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey whatever works for ya. I switch depending on need but as a long ago and long time windows user for work which involves a lot of browsing, I’ve

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-18 Thread Devin Prater
Hi all. The one site I absolutely hate to work with on the mac is forums.audiogames.net Site the site is accessible, but reading posts is horrible! I have to go to the next heading, press voiceover-right arrow to skip passed the lists of details about a user, then finally I get to the post.

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-18 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Strange, I’ve always found that forum very agreeable as compared to many other boards (though it’s still no substitute for mail, obviously). But I agree that the easiest way of dealing with the header of every message is to simply skip it line by line, which means simply getting into the habit

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-18 Thread Devin Prater
Well in Windows, I go to the heading of the post, like 3 heading level 2 or something, press down arrow to get into the list, the press comma twice to skip both the list and sublist, that’s with NVDA. On Jun 18, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: Strange, I’ve

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
! This is precisely what I need. Chris. - Original Message - From: Grant grant.li...@icloud.com To: MacVisionaries List macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 12:18 PM Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted I believe Yuma is referring

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Oh wow, just saw your

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Hi Grant and All, If one uses the right option key in web navigation, will it interfere with using the right option key (if set) in keyboard commanders to create shortcuts? I didn't know if the right option key worked

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
FWIW, I prefer DOM mode all the time. I have tried group mode every now and again, but I found that the supposed efficiency benefits were never there for me, and in fact I’d simply miss out on details that I actually wanted. Since group mode is based on document structure, it should in theory

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Mike Arrigo
I always use dom mode as well, with group mode, you have to interact with everything, no thanks, just give me a structured order of the page. If I want to skip something, there are key strokes to do that. On Jun 17, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: FWIW, I

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there I very seldom use DOM mode. I’ve tried it a few times, and it didn’t get me what I wanted. Maybe I just don’t do enough web browsing. Gigi On Jun 17, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: I prefer groups mode in general as I find it more efficient. DOM

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Anne Robertson
I prefer groups mode in general as I find it more efficient. DOM mode seems tedious to me as it’s harder to skip elements when you know a website well. I have a short cut to switch between navigation modes for those times when DOM mode is better, such as when using the Safari Reader. In Groups

web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Hi there. Subject line pretty much says it all. Due to a problem that Chris was having about a week ago reporting issues with beta software he is testing, Somebody here suggested group navigation rather then DOM navigation. I manage a google group myself, and, I was wondering why I couldn't

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Kaare Dehard
Hey whatever works for ya. I switch depending on need but as a long ago and long time windows user for work which involves a lot of browsing, I’ve been more partial to dom. On Jun 17, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote: Hi there I very seldom use DOM mode. I’ve tried it

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
what was the difference though? i don't know much about it. when i transfred from windows to mac, i have problem interacting on the pages all the time. is this dom mode or what? On 17 Jun 2015, at 4:17 pm, Kaare Dehard kaare.deh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey whatever works for ya. I switch

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
. - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:00 AM Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted No question. group is a much more intuitive way to navigate than dom, taking full advantage

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I am curious if you, or someone else can tell me how to do this: I was listenning to the Testing Testing webinar which I purchased from Jonathan Mosen, and he had done the coolest thing with his Safari. Apparently, if I understood correctly what he was saying, he's got it set where he can hold

RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Junior Lolley KG4ITD
@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:25 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted If you've not changed it, then it should be set to dom by default. If you want to check though, go

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Eileen
Hi Grant and All, If one uses the right option key in web navigation, will it interfere with using the right option key (if set) in keyboard commanders to create shortcuts? I didn't know if the right option key worked independently in different apps. I'm just curious. Thanks. Eileen Sent

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread erik burggraaf
No question. group is a much more intuitive way to navigate than dom, taking full advantage of the mac system of navigation as it does. I would use it all the time except that no matter how many upgrades come down the pipe, group mode is consistently very slow. It pauses my browsing with

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, I use Group mode pretty well all the time. As Anne mentioned, it seems much quicker when navigating sites you are familiar with as it allows you to navigate quickly past groups of content on the page that may be irrelevant to you at that time. I also use tab navigation fairly often in

RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Junior Lolley KG4ITD
: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Ray, I personally find group mode to be very

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
. - Original Message - From: Junior Lolley KG4ITD eagle...@fairpoint.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:16 AM Subject: RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted I am still learning the Mac how do you make sure dom is selected please

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Yuma Decaux
KG4ITD eagle...@fairpoint.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:16 AM Subject: RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted I am still learning the Mac how do you make sure dom is selected please? Junior Lolley kg4itd Liberty

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Grant
I believe Yuma is referring to VoiceOver’s fast searching feature. This can be enabled from within VoiceOver utility (press CTRL+OPTION+F8 to get in there). The setting you want, “enable fast searching”, is in the navigation section. Once you turn this on, you could, for example, go to

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Yuma Decaux
. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Oh wow

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Christopher Gilland
Oh wow, just saw your signature. You're the coordinator for the emergency response system in your county? Wow! That is awesome! If so, thank you for all the work you guys do for us, regardless the area of jurisdiction/state/county. Chris. -- You received this message because you are

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Christopher Gilland
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:35 AM Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Christopher, For fast searching, set the right command key as control key and use whatever first letter you want to search for on a site. For example

RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Junior Lolley KG4ITD
: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Oh wow, just saw your signature. You're the coordinator

Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:48 AM Subject: RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Chris, thanks very much sure appreciate it. It gets tough sometimes. Junior Lolley kg4itd Liberty County Emergency Coordinator The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances

RE: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted

2015-06-17 Thread Junior Lolley KG4ITD
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:50 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: web site navigation by group verses DOM: Opinions wanted Well, I don't think you all get the credit you all deserve, frankly... anyway, back to mac