Re: why 'clicking the X' doesn't close an app to VoiceOver?

2015-12-11 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
The indicator light (a small dot) is on the dock item if OS X is told to show in in System Preferences. It’s the default. That’s the only way to know if the app is still open, unless you look carefully at the menu bar (which, in case you didn’t know, is shared between every app on the system

why 'clicking the X' doesn't close an app to VoiceOver?

2015-12-08 Thread Alex Hall
Hi list, My mother uses a Mac, and whenever I have to take it to fix or install something, I find a bunch of apps open. This isn't a problem, but they're all empty. Safari, messages, Mail, and others are all there when I command-tab, but all report "has now windows" when I switch to any of

Re: why 'clicking the X' doesn't close an app to VoiceOver?

2015-12-08 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Alex, The X is equivalent to Cmd-w. She needs to go to the application menu and click on Quit. Otherwise, she could just use Cmd-q. The standard shortcut to get to the menus is Ctrl-F2. To go to the Dock is Ctrl-F3. To go to the menu extras is Ctrl-F6. To go to the toolbar is Ctrl-F5. I

Re: why 'clicking the X' doesn't close an app to VoiceOver?

2015-12-08 Thread Bill Dengler
In Windows, when you close the last window of an app, the app closes. It is no longer in memory. It is no longer listed as a running app, and is no longer in the app switcher. On OS X, it is possible to have an app open, without any windows of that app open. When the last window of an app is

Re: why 'clicking the X' doesn't close an app to VoiceOver?

2015-12-08 Thread Alex Hall
Makes sense, thanks guys. Knowing that the X is equivalent to cmd-w explains a lot. I really expected there to be a clickable icon for quitting, too, but I guess not. I wonder if apps that have "no windows" to VoiceOver are visible at all on the screen? They get in the way to me, but visually,

Re: why 'clicking the X' doesn't close an app to VoiceOver?

2015-12-08 Thread Bill Dengler
They appear in the dock, but have no windows, so there’s nothing for the app to display. How do they get in the way? I have several windowless apps on the mac running sometimes and don’t think they “get in the way” unless I’m using cmd+tab. Launchpad, applications folder, and spotlight are

Re: why 'clicking the X' doesn't close an app to VoiceOver?

2015-12-08 Thread Alex Hall
Ah, that's why. Cmd-tab is the only way I switch between apps, so windowless ones popping up as I do that get in the way of ones still in use. I can see how using other means of navigating apps would eliminate the problem, but I've not found anything faster than cmd-tab for moving between apps.

Re: why 'clicking the X' doesn't close an app to VoiceOver?

2015-12-08 Thread Bill Dengler
I almost exclusively use Launchpad. It lets me find exactly the app I’m looking for, extremely quickly. For example, to launch pages, I can press the launchpad key, type “pag” and hit enter. If there are multiple matches, I can keep typing to narrow the search, or use left/right arrows to move