Wish I'd seen that before I moved everything by hand over my network...
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At least the guys at Apple were honest and mentioned that some 3rd programs
wouldn't work. I believe this is a bold statement to say. Hats off to
Apple. Most companies that sells VI products will usually boast about how
great the product is and that it's the best in the market. The name of the
Hi,
All,
I found something too. Trekker anyone. Their maps are puchasable. If
you get a bluetooth GPS dongle/receiver, even the iPod Touch could be
your
Trekker.
I'd be all out on that fronteer.
REgards,
Alex,
On 9-Jun-09, at 10:03 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
I'm listening to the WWDC
Hi,
I thought I made it clear, or maybe I didn't that after talkng to
Apple there is indeed Voiceover on the iPod Touch.
Regards,
Alex,
On 9-Jun-09, at 10:37 PM, Justin Harford wrote:
It is actually very clear. Just google it and you will find that the
ATT Apple contract expires in
Hi,
How many legs did your Windows conputer come with in the firstplace.
*Alex checks and none of his computers have legs* See, it is easier to
stop them running away this way, ... :).
Anyways, I have loved OS X since 2005, and would not use my Windows VM
probably ever except for miner
Oh, so that's what it is...!
On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:03 PM, Michael Reiser wrote:
They have FS and other companies in there pockets, so they have to
discredit someone else.
Mike
On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:54 PM, James Dietz wrote:
Nearly everything they point out is negative. It's almost as if
And where is the demo???
On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
Hi,
The voice on the phone is Victoria because of her great workings with
low RAM systems. She is the English US Candidate it seems.
I saw this in a demo.
Regards,
Alex,
You won't have much trouble making the iPhone work on T-Mobile. You'll
need to jailbreak it, although as of now jailbreaking with OS 3.0 beta
installed is impossible, because Apple made some changes on some USB
protocol. After 3.0 is released publicly, jailbreaking applications
compatible
This happens everywhere. The ONCE in Spain, which is the equivalent of
the NFB, does exactly the same.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Mark Baxter wrote:
This is typical NFB. Prey on an already oppressed popularion with
scare tactics about what *COULD* go wrong and how helpless they'd be
Hi,
That's how i interpreted it too, but maybe we should keep an eye open
in case it isn't so. Forewarned is forearmed.
/Krister
10 jun 2009 kl. 06.11 skrev Brent Harding:
Hmmm, I don't think this is necessarily the case. What I'd say it is
is that
it is their terminology for a
And add to this what the vendors tell you. I don't know how it is in
Spain or the States or elsewhere, but here in Sweden, people tend to
rely very heavily on what vendors are saying, and if they say that the
Mac is trying to do something accessible but isn't ready yet, then
true or not,
hello there.
You need the new iPhone 3g s to get voice over.
It's not part of the new os 3.0 for the existing iPhone.
- Original Message -
From: Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: My iPhone
Hi, I was working with Garrage sale last year and it was about 99%
accessible, except for several check boxes to do with selections for
shipping methods. The developer responded very favourably to my
request to have them labeled, but said that the labeling system they
tried wasn't
Hello,
You may actually want to save the page as a web archive, zip it, and
send that instead. A screen capture can't be navigated by VO in the
same way a web archive can be. Web archives preserve the page
including code exactly. THe code may not function, but the page will
read the
What we have is an opportunity to point out the few negatives that
matter to apple such as mixing the commandsets together from osx and
vo, real good stuff to look at, but the rest of it is pretty much a
statement of praising windows os and the way that those screen readers
handle things.
Hi, I also wonder if that mail problem that has come up several times
on the list has been fixed.
Matthew
On 6/9/09, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
I wonder if there is any advantage to using web kit with regard to
accessibility now instead of safari 4?
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Hi Alex, if you don't like how there doing the elament descriptions, how
would you prefer them to go about it? I think that's what we need to be
asking here? Maybe you can write to the developers and tell them that
you're glad that they are taking steps to improve accessibility, but that
I definitely agree. I think enough blind people will continue
to look at mac to make it still a viable option.
MikeOn Jun 10, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Mark Baxter wrote:
This is typical NFB. Prey on an already oppressed popularion with
scare tactics about what *COULD* go wrong and how helpless
That's great. Let me just say I did not intend any offense with my
comment on the older/younger thing. My apologeez if any offense was
taken.
Mike
On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote:
I don't know who would be counted in the young group and who in the
old. I first heard
That's just my interpritation on it, I have no prough either way but
that's how it feels.
Mike
On Jun 10, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
Oh, so that's what it is...!
On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:03 PM, Michael Reiser wrote:
They have FS and other companies in there pockets, so they
We could also suggest that apple put the basic keyboard commands and
basics on using the mac in the tutorial. Would this be sent to Apple
accessibility?
Mike
On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:08 AM, kaare dehard wrote:
What we have is an opportunity to point out the few negatives that
matter to
Thanks,
I'll see if I can find it in the menus.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Ryan Dour wrote:
Hello,
You may actually want to save the page as a web archive, zip it, and
send that instead. A screen capture can't be navigated by VO in the
same way a web archive can be. Web archives
Hi,
Thank you for that report. I was kind of wondering about that. Its
good to know that things are working the way they are suposed to.
Matthew
On 6/9/09, Brett Campbell blindinnova...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been staying away from the beta, but it appears that the official
Safari 4 is
There is a vo users's guide on the apple site. It's in pdf, braille,
and in other formats I believe.
Mike
On Jun 10, 2009, at 9:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
Is there actually a manual made for VO? I should ofcourse know, but
i'm not sure if it's only this getting started thingy. There
Well I got my mac in March of this year because I don't want to mess
with Windows seven. I'm 47 in October. Does that mean I'm young? :)
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:16 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote:
I don't know who would be counted in the young group and who in the
old. I first heard rumblings that
Hello Peggy and all:
Then that makes me just one of those darn meddling kids at 40 (grin)..
Given the writing of the article in the Braille Monitor it looks like
I will need to renew my annual membership in S.O.S. (stamp out
stupidity). Thought I could save the 20 bucks this year. Oh well,
hi I am a proud nfb member if this is know longer a mac voiceover list
and a nfb bashing list I will lev the list but I don't wunt to due
thiat this must stop and get back to voiceover.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:03 AM, patrickneazer wrote:
Hello Peggy and all:
Then that makes me just
Hi Maurice,
I, too, am a proud (and active) NFB member. That doesn't negate that
this article was not a responsible or accurate portrayal. Do I expect
every VO review to be full of nothing but glowing praise? Certainly
not, but I do expect it to at least be accurate and written by someone
Now There is the key word. Objectivity! When I read the article,
I was trying to think of a way of best describing my reaction. A lack
of objectivity hits it on the head. Thank you, Dave.
Let's face it, folks. The major blind organizations, as much as
denied and some find it
Hey guys,
Anyone know how to turn on the screen curtin with the macbook?
Thanks,
Jed
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Hi everyone. For those of you who have been following this whole
situation with the NFB article about VoiceOver, you might be
interested to know that we discuss it on the latest episode of the
Screenless Switchers podcast. In addition to Holly Anderson and
myself, we are joined by Josh
Please do that. At least you seem to have the patience to do it. I
wouldn't bother...
On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
Hi Maurice,
I, too, am a proud (and active) NFB member. That doesn't negate that
this article was not a responsible or accurate portrayal. Do I expect
Hello Mike,
On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Mike Reiser wrote:
When I finish listening to an episode, is it safe to use command
delete to delete it?
That won't work. Make sure you're interacting with the Songs list,
place yourself somewhere on the episode you want to delete and press
Of course this is just my opinion, but I like how commands are set for
web browsing with VO. I never had trouble remembering them, or in any
case I don't find them any harder than the ones for JAWS, NVDA or
others.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
It's true that commands
control+option+shift+f11
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,
Anyone know how to turn on the screen curtin with the macbook?
Thanks,
Jed
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Hello,
Anyone else having trouble with Java applets in Safari 4? They seem to
be invisible now just like Flash. Noticed immediately after upgrading,
so I need to gather a few more observations from listers to be sure it
isn't just the one or two applets I use constantly.
Thanks,
Ryan
Some audio files can be downloaded as mp3 files by holding down the
option key and pressing enter. If that doesn't work try vo shift m.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,
What's the easiest way to download a file from a web sight?
How should I do a left or a right
Hi,
I've been on this list for what feels like a long time, I want a Mac
but my Windows PC just keeps going so I haven't justified it yet.
I was reading the accessibility page relating to the up and coming
Snow Leopard and was interested to read about the different finger
jestures and ways
Well, for all we know there might be a change coming up, where the
current keyboards delivered with a mouse with the desktop Mac, is
replaced with a new keyboard containing a trackpad. Just a guess, you
know ;-) but a thrilling one.
On 11. juni. 2009, at 00.10, Dean Wilcox wrote:
While I agree that this should not be the final solution I don't think
the feature should be removed from voice over. Like it or not, there
are going to be some elements that we come across that are not labeled
properly. For those times, the ability to label elements is a good
thing. I
Yes I have said this Larry and I have it on good authority VZW will
get the iPhone. As far as when, I don't know, but you can bet VZW
wants it and so do their customers. As far as the agreement with ATT,
I believe that exclusive agreement ends this year and I know ATT was
trying to extend
They are an authorized reseller. You might check with your local Best
Buy if you have one. I believe some if not all can service Macs.
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
I suppose some people that live in Sanfrancisco might want the on site
installation and the like. The
I think you are wrong about this. It is yet one more tool, not some
scripting ability or a way to shrug off responsibility for
accessibility. What gave you the idea that this was some way to avoid
the issue of accessibility?
On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
Hi,
Did
Yes, if you call them that is what they will tell you because they
don't even know. The person I spoke to has contacts far beyond the
sales staff. So, am I right or wrong? WEll hey, I can only go based on
what I have heard and I've heard this from more than one source. In
any event, I'll
The only part I disagree with is that Apple has not settled for the
position of fancy home computer or whatever. In fact we use Macs
extensively where I work and I'm in the process of making the switch
at work as I had done years ago at home. Apple takes all segments of
the market
Jenny, you pup at 32. All good points for a whipper-snapper. :)
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:16 AM, Jenny Kenn
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You know what was so funny to me is I have been using the Mac since
2005 and quite honestly there was a learning curve, but it took me
considerably less time to get up to speed on the Mac than it did for
me to master Windows and Window-Eyes. I think a lot of it has to do
with the fact
I can't recall with all the traffic, but someone I believe was
wondering if Tom Tom had exclusive rights for navigation software or
something like that. I thought I'd share this article for your
information.
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Date: June 10, 2009 4:10:00 PM EDT
Subject: Three
It's a slippery slope, one Apple will hopefully avoid. If they
continue to add features to label and customize how VO interacts with
the OS and apps they are giving themselves more work, as well as
risking the awesome independence VO gives us. JFW practically
dominates the keyboard, making
Or for that matter, will older macbook and macbook pro models be left
out. I'm pretty sure that the newer notebooks use different touch pad
technology.
Regards
Justin Harford
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Dean Wilcox wrote:
Hi,
I've been on this list for what feels like a long time, I
Dude all you have to do is go read tech news. They are all talking
about it.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
Yes, if you call them that is what they will tell you because they
don't even know. The person I spoke to has contacts far beyond the
sales staff. So, am I right
i see. but it sounds more like samantha i know this because i have a
victor reader stream and i've used a breeze once.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
I disagree. It has to be Victoria. Maybe Victoria and Samantha sound
alike.
Regards,
Alex,
On 10-Jun-09, at 6:44
Buddy, you should and I will help if you need it. This is one of those
times when you need to say, set aside what you know about windows
because they were clearly expecting it to be like windows, and when
they found it wasn't, then it's a bad thing in their view and a bad
thing.
On Jun
I totally think it's samantha too. it sounds exactly like her. it has
to be.
On 10-Jun-09, at 6:15 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
i see. but it sounds more like samantha i know this because i have a
victor reader stream and i've used a breeze once.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Alex Jurgensen
I'm afraid the rest of your message didn't get through. Thanks,
Mike
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
Hello Mike,
On Jun 10, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Mike Reiser wrote:
When I finish listening to an episode, is it safe to use command
delete to delete it?
That won't work.
Hello Mike,
The whole message is there. I interposted with your questions.
Cheers,
Anne
On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:54 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
I'm afraid the rest of your message didn't get through. Thanks,
Mike
On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
Hello Mike,
On Jun 10,
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