Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey Tim I had the site quit on me twice as well third time I got it to work so definitely only a site worth trying to go to if you want to work with rules and something that is long over due for an improvement by Apple. > On Oct 31, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Brian Hansen

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Blee Blat
I have not got the site to work at all here. I tried 3 times and Safari crashed all 3 times. I didn't even get the timezone selected. It just crashed after I signed in and tried to click the button that said to change the timezone. Clicking the button labelled "setup instructions" also

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
The usual command to open mail, VO space. Once that happens the website crashes. > On 31 Oct 2016, at 20:13, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hmmm. That's interesting indeed. Safari worked fine for me, just had to use > the Item Chooser, lots of interacting and stopping interaction

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, A few years back, I was told that iCloud was a separate entity from Apple and that's why it wasn't as accessible as the rest of their ecosystem. Not sure whether that is still the case. Additionally, in my opinion, that's a poor excuse anyway, as Apple is using iCloud for just about

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Danny Noonan
I'm currently stuck on iOS and for a lark spent some time trying to see what I could do. Some basic stuff like find my iPhone but no sign of anything male related. I did get better results in Crome on desktop page but still no joy trying to set rules. Sigh. Danny Sent from my iPhone > On

Re: Training new mac user, any tips and tricks?

2016-10-31 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
What does she like to do the most on her Mac? Start there! Remind her the OS and VO is way differernt fromWindows > On Oct 31, 2016, at 2:36 PM, christopher hallsworth > wrote: > > Evening everyone. > > So it's 30 days before my girlfriend will receive her first ever

Re: Training new mac user, any tips and tricks?

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Granados
I don’t have a specific starting point but i do have a general over all suggestion. If she is a windows user I find at least that total emersion is the only way to go. Look at learning a new computer like learning a new language. It’s very difficult to continue using one OS while trying to

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I did a clean install of the latest operating system with help from Sabahattin. He normally guides me through the cleaning of the drive and then I install the Operating system myself once the OS installer is on my rugged USB stick which I acquired from Apple a few years ago. I don't know how

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Granados
I have seen this happen with sites and safari when a clean install of the os is required. Not sure if it’s a library problem or what the route cause is but this is how I resolved the page crash issue. I’ve also seen this in webkit which is basically beta versions of safari or rather the

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Granados
Ah, you’re in good hands then, I’m sure that’s not the problem if you and he set it up from a clean install. Rule that one out then. Thanks > On Oct 31, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > > I did a clean install of the latest operating system with help from >

Re: Siri and YouTube

2016-10-31 Thread Jessica Moss
I’ve always just told it “launch youtube,” and it opens that way. > On Oct 29, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > I had never tried opening YouTube using Siri. I just tried it, and when I > said "open YouTube" it open Safari and took me to YouTube homepage. I had to >

NFL iOS app

2016-10-31 Thread Gabe Griffith
Hi all, I haven't tried the NFL app on my iPhone since the pre-season but at that time found it to be much like the last several years. That is to say almost completely inaccessible. Would anyone else be willing to share their opinions and experiences with that app with me? Thanks, Gabe --

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hmmm. That's interesting indeed. Safari worked fine for me, just had to use the Item Chooser, lots of interacting and stopping interaction etc. Are you using VO-space to attempt to open Mail, or some other method? Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 31, 2016, at 14:05,

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Brian Hansen
I’m having the same issue on my end, and it doesn’t seem to be with just mail. When looking up stuff in the Apple support web section, I’ve found that at times, it's doing the same thing. Blessings, Brian > On Oct 31, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > > Each

RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

2016-10-31 Thread Simon Fogarty
Um Brandt, The surface book actually has battery and memory within the keyboard as well as in the screan Both come apart so the screan can be used as a tablet or together the keyboard which is as strong as the screan except for the keys Yes if you drop it from your knee or anywhere else the

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

2016-10-31 Thread Brandt Steenkamp
My issue is not with the surface pro, but with the surface book. Microsoft sells the surface book as a laptop. A laptop is supposed to be used on your lap if necessary. The surface book cannot be used on your lap at all. It will fall. As I said before, I have seen it happen. Warm regards,

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

2016-10-31 Thread David Chittenden
When using the Surface Pro on one's lap, use the onscreen keyboard, not the QWERTY keyboard attachment. Only use the QWERTY when on a stable platform, such as a desk or table. The same, in fact, is true for the iPad and Apple's keyboard for the iPad. Kind regards, David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

RE: This is Apple’s new OLED MacBook Pro

2016-10-31 Thread Simon Fogarty
Hi David, The mac book air is actually going as we know it, they are going to have 4 devices, 12 inch mac book, 13 inch mac book pro with normall keyboard And then the 2 new pros with touch bar. The air models is to be replaced by the entry level 13inch pro. It was the comparing the size of

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Ray Foret jr
No, the information I have seems to suggest he actually does see e-mails sent to that address and acts on or responds fairly promptly. For my part, however, I urge care when making use of this address. Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

Re: Hot keys not working on iPad Air 2 running iOs 10.1

2016-10-31 Thread Douglas Lawlor
I see nothing regarding hotkeys in the VoiceOver Rotor. I have everything else selected in the rotor, shut down and restarted VoiceOver and still no hotkeys. Doug Sent from my iPad > On Oct 31, 2016, at 1:30 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Is that because you need to

Re: Hot keys not working on iPad Air 2 running iOs 10.1

2016-10-31 Thread Douglas Lawlor
I would like to express a big thank you to you for this Scott. I swearto God I didn't know this existed before. Where the heck is this documented? Again, Thanks, Doug Sent from my iPad > On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Scott Davert wrote: > > Hi. > Try pressing VO

Re: Hot keys not working on iPad Air 2 running iOs 10.1

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Davert
Hi. Try pressing VO with Q to turn first letter quick nav on and off. This is different from just pressing your left and right arrows together. HTH, Scott On 10/31/16, Douglas Lawlor wrote: > I see nothing regarding hotkeys in the VoiceOver Rotor. I have everything > else

Re: This is Apple’s new OLED MacBook Pro

2016-10-31 Thread David Chittenden
According to the Apple presentation, the MacBook Air 13" will continue to be sold. The MacBook Air 11" is being discontinued, and effectively replaced by the MacBook 12". They also said the MacBook Pro 13" is a slightly smaller than the MacBook Air 13". Kind regards, David Chittenden, MSc,

Re: New MacBook Pro Touch Bar details: UI interactions, screen specs, Control Strip, and how third party apps can use it

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Granados
Hi John, I read about this as well. The light bar seems to be powered by a version of Watch OS. The T1 chip seems to be a similar processor to that found in the watch. So, your findings definitely make sense. > On Oct 31, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > >

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Granados
He won’t react at all, he doesn’t check that mailbox, that’s someone below him who actually manages that inbox. He has a different one he uses for direct contact. His administrative assistant manages the one that was posted here. > On Oct 31, 2016, at 1:56 AM, Simon Fogarty

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, Use the proper channels people. You don't eMail the President of the United States if you don't like the state of accessibility of your local Walmart? Nor do you eMail the Superintendent of Schools if you don't care for the grade that your child received in their Grade 5 Science class.

Re: New MacBook Pro Touch Bar details: UI interactions, screen specs, Control Strip, and how third party apps can use it

2016-10-31 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
In looking at a sample code that Apple published on its website. I noticed that it appears the touch strip uses A remote control type functionality like Siri does, in order to control it. So it seems that it has a pseudo-a Tonna miss operating system just for the Touch Bar. Could be very

Re: This is Apple’s new OLED MacBook Pro

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Granados
Simon, this is incorrect, the 13 inch air is also going to persist at least through the next update when ever that will be, it’s only the 11 inch that’s being dropped. > On Oct 31, 2016, at 2:10 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi David, > > The mac book air is actually

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Granados
I doubt that’s true, he uses a different box for actual email and has a minion handle the public facing stuff. > On Oct 31, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > True. But, he does in fact see many e-mail messages sent to him via that box. > > > Sent from my

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Granados
No, Simon is correct, his admin manages that box. > On Oct 31, 2016, at 5:08 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > No, the information I have seems to suggest he actually does see e-mails sent > to that address and acts on or responds fairly promptly. For my part, > however, I

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread E.T.
Unreal! Really? The CEO of a major company fields personal emails? Well I will have to contact Tim and meet with him for coffee! Nothing like a face to face over coffee and resolving some troubling issues, eh? From E.T.'s Keyboard... Without H2O there is no life! ancient.ali...@icloud.com

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Ray Foret jr
True. But, he does in fact see many e-mail messages sent to him via that box. Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and

Re: voiceover keeps crashing

2016-10-31 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi: Safari and mail are the two apps it happens in. > On Oct 30, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > Was this with a specific application? Also, I know there was an issue at one > point with a specific string causing VoiceOver to crash. I wonder if you have >

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Would that be something for the accessibility team to take care about? Just asking? /A > On 30 Oct 2016, at 18:58, Brian Fischler wrote: > > Yes it is awful. How can a company that talks such a big game about > accessibility have such a poorly designed main site. There

Re: voiceover keeps crashing

2016-10-31 Thread Terje Strømberg
You have by mistake turned off sound. It is possible to turn on in voice over help from vo-h, go two steps down to command, 9 steps down to sound, hit enter. Stupid command with no keyboard chort - cut. Take care > 31. okt. 2016 kl. 17.34 skrev Sarai Bucciarelli :

IOS 10.1.1 released

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Granados
Hi, looks like IOS 10.1.1 has been released and is available for all the platforms. This fixes issues with health data among other issues. Update for me went very smoothly, update em if you got em. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, After hearing all the chatter here about iCloud, I decided to take a boo around the site. Overall, it's not a particularly friendly site for us, but it is actually usable. I was able to login, access Settings, Mail, rules and most things that folks were concerned about. A couple of

Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM issues in new MacBook Pro

2016-10-31 Thread Mary Otten
In light of some discussion about the new MacBook Pro and the ram a limitation, I thought people might find this article interesting. It looks like Intel, not Apple, is to blame, if you want to call it that, for some of the limitations. Mary Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason

Re: Hot keys not working on iPad Air 2 running iOs 10.1

2016-10-31 Thread Scott Davert
Hi Doug. I'm glad it helped. You may wish to let Apple Accessibility knjow how the issue was resolved, in case they have it in future. I'm glad you are now on your way! Scott On 10/31/16, Douglas Lawlor wrote: > > I would like to express a big thank you to you for this

Training new mac user, any tips and tricks?

2016-10-31 Thread christopher hallsworth
Evening everyone. So it's 30 days before my girlfriend will receive her first ever mac as a Christmas present. Better early than never this time round. You will see why below. Once her early 2015 13 inch Macbook Pro has been updated to macOS Sierra 10.12.1 and has been configured to her

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Each time I tried to access mail, the site would close and I'd have to report that to Apple as diagnostic problem. > On 31 Oct 2016, at 18:17, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi, > > After hearing all the chatter here about iCloud, I decided to take a boo > around the site. Overall,

Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

2016-10-31 Thread Brian Fischler
Yes, lets get this back on topic. More on what Tim had to a solution as I called Apple Accessibility and created a screen share and we got everything working, and yeah it is weird and VO lost focus several times but we got it done. The key if you need to use iCloud.com to manage or create a