RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Fuck sake, I have only now seen this and I have to admit that this is pushing this shit to far. Tim is one of the best people both as a member of this list and his knowledge of the world of apple. Sorry tim that this has caused you to go. As they ssay, only the good die young, And this

RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Julie, My email address is si...@blinky-net.com happy to assist if I can good luck and don’t stay away to long. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Julie Rattray Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject:

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Blocking addresses is one way but does not solve it completely. Perhaps deleting a thread without reading it. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Freedom of Speech Carries With It Implicit Responsibility. On 7/1/2020 11:08 PM, Brad Snyder wrote: I completely agree.  I can’t

Re: Firefox on the Mac somewhat works now.

2020-07-02 Thread Mike Arrigo
At this time voiceover just says there are no menu options available for each category, I think that support will be coming later this year. Original message: SO DOES THE ROTOR BRING UP NOTHING IN ANY CATEGORY, OR NOTHING AT all or is every list in it blank? Also, is this the production or

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
Guys, please don’t leave. If you leave, you just surrender a useful resource to some behaviourally challenged individuals and it’s a dead loss to everyone else. The right thing to do is: 1. Contact the mods and/or owner. 2. Filter your email. Mail.app will do it on macOS; iOS has a block

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Julie Rattray
Thanks Simon > On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:15, Simon A Fogarty wrote: > > Julie, > > My email address is > si...@blinky-net.com > > happy to assist if I can > > good luck and don’t stay away to long. > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >

Re: Frustrated with captcha.

2020-07-02 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
I have two github identities and don't recall any problems signing up. That probably means I found the audio captcha workable. But, I also don't recall that you need to solve two of them. Are you sure there are actually two? Perhaps they've written the screen prompts in a confusing way? Best,

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Robin
it's Certainly " Distrubin' " that Neither of Them have Chimed IN on this Thread, as Others have indicated that They have ReachedOut to Them concerning it Makes Me Wonder Thanks 4 Responding! At 09:56 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote: Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. moderator, their contact

Fwd: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Here it is John. Forwarded Message Subject: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 21:29:47 -0500 From: Mike Arrigo Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com This is really exciting, hopefully we will have

RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Karen Lewellen
Simon, You are not the reason Tim and others chose to depart. Kare On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, Simon A Fogarty wrote: Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving, That wasn???t my intention to make it happen. Regards, Simon F From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Cara Quinn, owner and Mark Taylor. moderator, their contact information is in the footer. And I doubt very much they support hatred. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Freedom of Speech Carries With It Implicit Responsibility. On 7/2/2020 9:41 AM, Robin wrote: "Who" are

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
You bet. There is a lot in the blog, I skimmed it and will read more later. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Freedom of Speech Carries With It Implicit Responsibility. On 7/2/2020 10:19 AM, John Panarese wrote: Thank you Sir. Got it. I appreciate it. Take Care

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
Yep. I’d love to see Thunderbird get the same work. It probably won’t be as “native” as Mail.app but it has more functionality, and plugins. Great choice on Windows. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns

Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi All, Firstly, please let me apologize for the delay in writing. My keeping up with each topic these days has been in fits and starts. I want to thank a hand full of kind souls who highlighted the recent troubling thread. -And I needed to make sure I read through the thread(s) in entirety

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
I hear you there. I wonde if Thunderbird will follow suit From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Freedom of Speech Carries With It Implicit Responsibility. On 7/2/2020 10:34 AM, John Panarese wrote: It’s really nice to read that they have a plan in place and are seeing this

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread John Panarese
They had started to work on it a few years back and were making a lot of progress. All of a sudden, it stopped and I could never find an explanation. Firefox would work to a certain extent, but it’s much better now. I’d really suggest trying it out. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Petrus Tuerlings
I’m sorry Phill, But your Argument would hold more value if you weren’t guilty of the same thing. You have the nerve to talk about freedom of speech and the right to have what ever signature you want. But you were quite happy to make a perfectly decent gentlemen delete his actual name that was

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread John Panarese
Thank you Sir. Got it. I appreciate it. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread John Panarese
It’s really nice to read that they have a plan in place and are seeing this through. I really wanted an additional web browser beyond Safari that was not Google Chrome. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website,

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
We can dream big and support the effort. I was actually surprised to learn that Firefox was getting VO support. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Freedom of Speech Carries With It Implicit Responsibility. On 7/2/2020 10:44 AM, John Panarese wrote: That would be nice.

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Karen Lewellen
Further, This is not the general public. At no time has there been a thread focused on ray's personal definitions, because there is nothing about the focus of this list that translates into anyone doing what Ray claims in his signature. No one has heretofore required him to apologize for

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Robin
MayBe that Person should Create a NEW Thread, as This1 is Serverely Derailed? Just Sayin I tried & attempted to get This Thread Back On Track to No Avail At 10:00 AM 7/2/2020, you wrote: Ok. To get this back on track, could someone please repost the original article on Firefox. This

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread John Panarese
Roger that. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread John Panarese
That would be nice. I’m hoping that a lot of developers will get on the VoiceOver train now with the increase in popularity of the Mac among the blind. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website,

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Dave Carlson
Robin, At the bottom of every message you will find: The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hey Ray, Just want to at least say from one person that I think you should be able to put anything you want in your signature. It was others making an issue of your signature, not you. If someone put something “politically correct” in their signature, no one would care. I commend you for

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Stay put Petrus. Don't let anyone try to run you off. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Freedom of Speech Carries With It Implicit Responsibility. On 7/2/2020 12:27 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote: Hi Cara, Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I don’t think I can remain on

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Rachel Phillips
I will stick up for injustice. remember native americans were the first here everyone else is a product of immigration. Right matters, justice matters. as for BLM: Then clean up your precinct, kick out the bad apples, if you dont then youre enablers and just as bad, silence is agreement ,

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Lorie McCloud
I didn't follow that thread so I'm not leaving. I have my opinions like everybody else but there are plenty of other places to express those. > On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:08 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > I hope everyone isn’t leaving as it would be a sad day. We should be

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Karen Lewellen
And the individual's signature? Has something been said to them privately? On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote: I hope everyone isn’t leaving as it would be a sad day. We should be helping each other and not fighting. There’s enough sadness in the world with the

Re: Frustrated with captcha.

2020-07-02 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Or perhaps safari cluttered things up. Will try on another browser lately this weekend. /A > 2 juli 2020 kl. 15:37 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > : > > I have two github identities and don't recall any problems signing up. > That probably means I found the audio captcha workable.

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Eric Oyen
Hmmm. Never caught that thread. Usually, when I see politics, I simply delete and move on. Political discussions often devolve into meaningless arguments, insults, name calling, labeling and argumentative fallacies. I get enough of that on Facebook, twitter, tick tock, snapchat, what sap, and

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Phil Halton
Dear Petrus, I didn’t chase anybody off the list or make them change their signature. I simply said that it was driving me crazy that I was hearing his name repeated twice and I couldn’t figure out how to make it stop. It was nothing racist about it. it had nothing to do with Remi’s ethnicity.

RE: 2020 Macbook Pro 13"

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Greg, I'm jellous, And I don't like the touch bar, but I'm still jellous. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Greg Wocher Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 7:47 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 2020 Macbook Pro 13" Hello, I just got mine

RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi john, Have you looked at Microsoft edge? And yes I'm serious, edge is now out for mac OS as well as windows. Check it out as it's quite a nice browser so far. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 5:35 AM To:

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Robin
Oops, I meant ThisMessage to be Off the MailingList, MyApologies At 03:52 PM 7/2/2020, you wrote: Is This Mr.Eric i.e., the R Guy from the MobileApp, Vorail? Meanin' Back in May2016 & June2016? JustWonderin At 02:11 PM 7/2/2020, you wrote: Hmmm. Never caught that thread. Usually, when I

Re: Frustrated with captcha.

2020-07-02 Thread Rachel Phillips
once i updated my firefox it worked better, also turn off any extentsion of css/user style sheets that may interfere On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 4:37:55 PM UTC-4, anders wrote: > > Hi! > Trying to register to GitHub. > But there’s a verification by captcha there. > THe first one has an

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Petrus Tuerlings
Hi Cara, Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I don’t think I can remain on this list. I’d like to say thank you to all of those people that helped me with my Mac over the last year and a half. People would be most welcome to keep in touch off list. petrus.t...@gmail.com > On 3/07/2020, at

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Robin
I'm not Leavin' this MailingList At 01:12 PM 7/2/2020, you wrote: I didn't follow that thread so I'm not leaving. I have my opinions like everybody else but there are plenty of other places to express those. > On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:08 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote: > > I

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Rachel Phillips
agree: learn unconscious bias, many training programs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_bias_training and culture of care https://www.slideshare.net/evgrace82/culture-care-theory On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 4:51:02 PM UTC-4, Simon A Fogarty wrote: > > I don’t think we need this on

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Rachel Phillips
Im still using firefox 47, it disabled extensions etc without warning. I keep it as a back upto chrome, and also to be login work related vs personal logins etc On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 11:32:08 PM UTC-4, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > Hello Kar: > Firefox was unusable with any screen

Enough is Enough.

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Listers, I'm going to ask this for the list and of the entire list! As we've not been able to get hold of mark or Cara and we can't say they are ignoring this thread as we don't know what their current situation is. So as adults and in most cases respectfull of eachother, I'd like to ask

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Robin
Is This Mr.Eric i.e., the R Guy from the MobileApp, Vorail? Meanin' Back in May2016 & June2016? JustWonderin At 02:11 PM 7/2/2020, you wrote: Hmmm. Never caught that thread. Usually, when I see politics, I simply delete and move on. Political discussions often devolve into meaningless

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! There are times where braille does not display what the speech tells you. THe braille display is blank. But that is a problem in a lot of apps and hasn’t been fixed yet. /A > 2 juli 2020 kl. 04:31 skrev Jonathan Cohn : > > Interesting I find that Braille support in Firefox with web pages to

RE: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
HI Cara, Thanks for this and we do understand that you can't always be there to over see things as we'd all like. Take care. Simon F -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 6:06 AM To:

Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries
I hope everyone isn’t leaving as it would be a sad day. We should be helping each other and not fighting. There’s enough sadness in the world with the virus and other things happening. Kawal. > On 2 Jul 2020, at 20:34, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Stay put Petrus. Don't let

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! THe only thing i dislike about chrome is that it very often makes Vo announce it has new windows. /A > 1 juli 2020 kl. 23:51 skrev Michael Marshall : > > hey, > Still using Safari, it's not so bad that you can’t use it but i just feel > that in some situations, it can be outstripped by

Re: Frustrated with captcha.

2020-07-02 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Yes it worked but when i have done that i get another captcha wich is some sort of puzzle with no audio challenge. THe complete or create account button is grayed out. I will try it with chrome to see if that would work a bit better than safari. /A > 2 juli 2020 kl. 00:09 skrev Tim M : > >

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
I did install it yesterday but haven't gotten into it much except to verify it is operational. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Freedom of Speech Carries With It Implicit Responsibility. On 7/2/2020 10:53 AM, John Panarese wrote: They had started to work on it a few

RE: Outlook for Mac Exhange Server Archives

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi mark, I'm sitting here at my windows machine currently but from memory in outlook for mac there is not an option to bulk download your attachments I thought / think there is an option to do this in mac mail which should also work fine now with exchange if you are running an up to date mac

Re: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Rachel Phillips
don't get fooled by trumps outrage of China, it was good enought for Kushner to have busniness dealings for 1.2B yeah Billions for 666 5th ave, until the feds were investingating because it was deal with Insurance company that was owned by chinese gov.. so there is motive here folks. if

RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
That's my concern is if I delete / block the thread I'll miss good information but will still get rid of the crap. -Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 2:23 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox

Re: Frustrated with captcha.

2020-07-02 Thread 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
Good luck, and let us know, Anders. Janina Anders Holmberg writes: > Hi! > Or perhaps safari cluttered things up. > Will try on another browser lately this weekend. > /A > > > 2 juli 2020 kl. 15:37 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > > : > > > > I have two github identities and don't

RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Thank you I know this but the trying to stop the thread and it not stopping has lost us some really great people. And that F's me off to the max. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Karen Lewellen Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 6:26 AM To:

RE: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
And another one bites the dust. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings Sent: Friday, 3 July 2020 7:28 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Moderator Note - Signatures and Politics etc on the List Hi Cara, Thank you for replying. Unfortunately I

Re: Enough is Enough.

2020-07-02 Thread Eric Oyen
Actually, Clara did respond and advised cessation of the politics. I added my 2 cents worth afterward. Honestly, Politics doesn’t have anything to do with Mac accessibility, except where the law is concerned with accessibility in general. Anything else outside of that is just arguing to be

RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Robin
"Who" are The Moderators of This MailingList? & Wonder if "They" support The Views of TheMembers/Subscribers, which would be The Reason, "Why" they are Allowing This Thread to Continue EvenThough it's OFF Topic/Subject I've tried to Steer this Thread Back ON Topic/Subject to No Avail At

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread John Panarese
Ok. To get this back on track, could someone please repost the original article on Firefox. This is of great interest to me. I have been messing with FF on the Mac for a long time and accessibility is finally improving again with VoiceOver. It’s actually to the point of being quite usable.

RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving, That wasn’t my intention to make it happen. Regards, Simon F From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Brad Snyder Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Endding the RE:

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Julie Rattray
It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator stopping this I think that is the issue > On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty wrote: > > Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving, > > That wasn’t my intention to make it happen. >

RE: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Simon A Fogarty
No that’s why I’m sorry Julie, I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping. I believe it is time To block the sender and trash their emails, Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Julie Rattray
Aha agreed I have been really disappointed with the thread and just don’t want this kind of stuff in my inbox so am one of the people who has decided to leave the list - would be happy to keep in touch with some list members as help and advise has been so welcome but at at time when we should

Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

2020-07-02 Thread Brad Snyder
I completely agree. I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and allowed this crap to go on. Unlike a Groups.io email list, I am not aware of a way to mute a topic. It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the list. - Brad - On Jul 2,