Re: Proper Setup of Mail with VoiceOver

2021-01-12 Thread John Panarese 
  The sliders help you hide things as well. Keep in mind, though, hiding 
everything is not necessarily a good thing. The mailbox list and Favorites bar 
are very useful.


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> On Jan 12, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> Apparently it's more than just hiding things. The vertical and horizontal 
> sliders have to be positioned just right, or the Option-Up/Down Arrow keys 
> don't work right. The horizontal position has to be at 100%, so saith a 
> friend of mine who's quite Mac-savvy.
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/12/2021 4:44 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>   You can hide some of the items from the view menu of Mail. I’m not sure 
>> exactly how much can be done, but it’s a good place to start.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Steve Matzura >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm also interested in eliminating screen clutter for a partially sighted 
>>> user, but yes, the shortcut keys are definitely the way to go for Mac Mail. 
>>> For instance, while we don't care whether bookmarks are shown or not in 
>>> Safari, they do take up some screen real-estate for sighted users. 
>>> Eliminating that panel improved a partially-sighted user's use of Safari 
>>> greatly when I explained how to get rid of that ever-growing list and give 
>>> them back some screen space. Same with Mail. If I knew what sidebars and 
>>> such could be closed for a partially sighted user to get more on their 
>>> screen, I'd recommend it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/12/2021 1:16 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 Yes, this is correct. Also, one doesn’t need to concern themselves 
 with the various bars and such. It’s like any Windows mail client. You 
 only need to navigate the mailboxes and the message table, and this is 
 done with simple keyboard commands. Again, like any screen reader, if you 
 know the shortcuts, you can avoid getting lost or dealing with areas of 
 the screen that are not important.
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
 
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> On Jan 12, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Greg Wocher  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I use command plus option plus up or down arrows to move to the top or 
> bottom of the list of messages. I find   that 
> option plus the arrow keys does not work. 
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Steve Matzura > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not a major Mac user. In particular, I don't use Safari or Mail. I 
>> prefer the user experience provided by other operating systems and 
>> screenreaders. However, last night I had to work on someone's Mac that 
>> was having email problems. I ironed out the problems, but along the way, 
>> discovered that Mail was not set up optimally for use with VoiceOver. 
>> Specifically, I couldn't use Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to get to the top 
>> and bottom of the messages table, and there are a lot of sidebars and 
>> other views that are open which to me seem needless and cluttery. I look 
>> at this AppleVis article 
>>  which was 
>> helpful in certain ways but did not address any of the things mentioned 
>> above despite it having been written in 2014 and updated just last week. 
>> Can someone amplify or further explain some of these things? In 
>> particular, moving through the messages table a page at a time or 
>> getting to the top/bottom of said table would be quite helpful, as one 
>> such table in one mailbox folder has over 2000 messages in it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
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Re: Proper Setup of Mail with VoiceOver

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Matzura 
Apparently it's more than just hiding things. The vertical and 
horizontal sliders have to be positioned just right, or the 
Option-Up/Down Arrow keys don't work right. The horizontal position has 
to be at 100%, so saith a friend of mine who's quite Mac-savvy.



On 1/12/2021 4:44 PM, John Panarese wrote:
  You can hide some of the items from the view menu of Mail. I’m not 
sure exactly how much can be done, but it’s a good place to start.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 

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On Jan 12, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Steve Matzura > wrote:


I'm also interested in eliminating screen clutter for a partially 
sighted user, but yes, the shortcut keys are definitely the way to go 
for Mac Mail. For instance, while we don't care whether bookmarks are 
shown or not in Safari, they do take up some screen real-estate for 
sighted users. Eliminating that panel improved a partially-sighted 
user's use of Safari greatly when I explained how to get rid of that 
ever-growing list and give them back some screen space. Same with 
Mail. If I knew what sidebars and such could be closed for a 
partially sighted user to get more on their screen, I'd recommend it.



On 1/12/2021 1:16 PM, John Panarese wrote:
    Yes, this is correct. Also, one doesn’t need to concern 
themselves with the various bars and such. It’s like any Windows 
mail client. You only need to navigate the mailboxes and the message 
table, and this is done with simple keyboard commands. Again, like 
any screen reader, if you know the shortcuts, you can avoid getting 
lost or dealing with areas of the screen that are not important.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 

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On Jan 12, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Greg Wocher > wrote:


Hello,
I use command plus option plus up or down arrows to move to the top 
or bottom of the list of messages. I find that option plus the 
arrow keys does not work.


Greg Wocher


On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Steve Matzura 
mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:


I'm not a major Mac user. In particular, I don't use Safari or 
Mail. I prefer the user experience provided by other operating 
systems and screenreaders. However, last night I had to work on 
someone's Mac that was having email problems. I ironed out the 
problems, but along the way, discovered that Mail was not set up 
optimally for use with VoiceOver. Specifically, I couldn't use 
Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to get to the top and bottom of the 
messages table, and there are a lot of sidebars and other views 
that are open which to me seem needless and cluttery. I look at 
this AppleVis article 
 which 
was helpful in certain ways but did not address any of the things 
mentioned above despite it having been written in 2014 and updated 
just last week. Can someone amplify or further explain some of 
these things? In particular, moving through the messages table a 
page at a time or getting to the top/bottom of said table would be 
quite helpful, as one such table in one mailbox folder has over 
2000 messages in it.



Thanks in advance.


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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

2021-01-12 Thread 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
I finally got it working.
Do you know if there is a way to clear a single entry without clearing all 
entries?


> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I had to do the following to get it to work: 
> open the Flycut app
> it seems as if nothing happened but in truth an invisible window opened
> press Enter to confirm and open System Preferences to enable AEServer to make 
> Flycut working
> 
> After this it appeared in the extras menu.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 12.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Like I said in my first message, Its not showing in the menu.
>> I logged out and back in just to get it to quit.
>> Then I was able to delete it. I reinstalled it with the same problem.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:39 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can be 
>>> quit there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
>>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I got this from the App Store.
 I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
 I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity 
 monitor, or in the extras menu.
 And its not showing in force quit.
 
 
> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to 
> use and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
>> accessible?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Christina
>> 
>> 
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Re: Proper Setup of Mail with VoiceOver

2021-01-12 Thread John Panarese 
  You can hide some of the items from the view menu of Mail. I’m not sure 
exactly how much can be done, but it’s a good place to start.


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> On Jan 12, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> I'm also interested in eliminating screen clutter for a partially sighted 
> user, but yes, the shortcut keys are definitely the way to go for Mac Mail. 
> For instance, while we don't care whether bookmarks are shown or not in 
> Safari, they do take up some screen real-estate for sighted users. 
> Eliminating that panel improved a partially-sighted user's use of Safari 
> greatly when I explained how to get rid of that ever-growing list and give 
> them back some screen space. Same with Mail. If I knew what sidebars and such 
> could be closed for a partially sighted user to get more on their screen, I'd 
> recommend it.
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/12/2021 1:16 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>> Yes, this is correct. Also, one doesn’t need to concern themselves with 
>> the various bars and such. It’s like any Windows mail client. You only need 
>> to navigate the mailboxes and the message table, and this is done with 
>> simple keyboard commands. Again, like any screen reader, if you know the 
>> shortcuts, you can avoid getting lost or dealing with areas of the screen 
>> that are not important.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Greg Wocher >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I use command plus option plus up or down arrows to move to the top or 
>>> bottom of the list of messages. I find that option plus the arrow keys does 
>>> not work. 
>>> 
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Steve Matzura >>> > wrote:
 
 I'm not a major Mac user. In particular, I don't use Safari or Mail. I 
 prefer the user experience provided by other operating systems and 
 screenreaders. However, last night I had to work on someone's Mac that was 
 having email problems. I ironed out the problems, but along the way, 
 discovered that Mail was not set up optimally for use with VoiceOver. 
 Specifically, I couldn't use Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to get to the top 
 and bottom of the messages table, and there are a lot of sidebars and 
 other views that are open which to me seem needless and cluttery. I look 
 at this AppleVis article 
  which was 
 helpful in certain ways but did not address any of the things mentioned 
 above despite it having been written in 2014 and updated just last week. 
 Can someone amplify or further explain some of these things? In 
 particular, moving through the messages table a page at a time or getting 
 to the top/bottom of said table would be quite helpful, as one such table 
 in one mailbox folder has over 2000 messages in it.
 
 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 
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Using mouse with VO

2021-01-12 Thread Traci Duncan 
Wow, that was challenging! Partly because I don’t use the mouse pointer too 
often.

I was doing a Duolingo lesson in Safari and was asked to click on a specific 
word in a sentence. I couldn’t just VO-space on it. Nor could I locate the word 
and move the mouse pointer over.

I had to interact with the text, focus inside the word, then move the mouse 
pointer over. Vo-command-f5. Then I clicked on the word with vo-shift-space. 

This was definitely new to me. Sort of a pain, but I imagine faster and easier 
the more I use it. Just thought I’d pass it along in case someone else finds 
themselves in such a situation.

HTH,
Traci

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Re: Proper Setup of Mail with VoiceOver

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Matzura 
I'm also interested in eliminating screen clutter for a partially 
sighted user, but yes, the shortcut keys are definitely the way to go 
for Mac Mail. For instance, while we don't care whether bookmarks are 
shown or not in Safari, they do take up some screen real-estate for 
sighted users. Eliminating that panel improved a partially-sighted 
user's use of Safari greatly when I explained how to get rid of that 
ever-growing list and give them back some screen space. Same with Mail. 
If I knew what sidebars and such could be closed for a partially sighted 
user to get more on their screen, I'd recommend it.



On 1/12/2021 1:16 PM, John Panarese wrote:
    Yes, this is correct. Also, one doesn’t need to concern themselves 
with the various bars and such. It’s like any Windows mail client. You 
only need to navigate the mailboxes and the message table, and this is 
done with simple keyboard commands. Again, like any screen reader, if 
you know the shortcuts, you can avoid getting lost or dealing with 
areas of the screen that are not important.



Take Care

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Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 

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On Jan 12, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Greg Wocher > wrote:


Hello,
I use command plus option plus up or down arrows to move to the top 
or bottom of the list of messages. I find that option plus the arrow 
keys does not work.


Greg Wocher


On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Steve Matzura > wrote:


I'm not a major Mac user. In particular, I don't use Safari or Mail. 
I prefer the user experience provided by other operating systems and 
screenreaders. However, last night I had to work on someone's Mac 
that was having email problems. I ironed out the problems, but along 
the way, discovered that Mail was not set up optimally for use with 
VoiceOver. Specifically, I couldn't use Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to 
get to the top and bottom of the messages table, and there are a lot 
of sidebars and other views that are open which to me seem needless 
and cluttery. I look at this AppleVis article 
 which was 
helpful in certain ways but did not address any of the things 
mentioned above despite it having been written in 2014 and updated 
just last week. Can someone amplify or further explain some of these 
things? In particular, moving through the messages table a page at a 
time or getting to the top/bottom of said table would be quite 
helpful, as one such table in one mailbox folder has over 2000 
messages in it.



Thanks in advance.


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Re: Proper Setup of Mail with VoiceOver

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Matzura 

Just tried it. THANK YOU!


On 1/12/2021 1:12 PM, Greg Wocher wrote:

Hello,
I use command plus option plus up or down arrows to move to the top or 
bottom of the list of messages. I find that option plus the arrow keys 
does not work.


Greg Wocher


On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Steve Matzura > wrote:


I'm not a major Mac user. In particular, I don't use Safari or Mail. 
I prefer the user experience provided by other operating systems and 
screenreaders. However, last night I had to work on someone's Mac 
that was having email problems. I ironed out the problems, but along 
the way, discovered that Mail was not set up optimally for use with 
VoiceOver. Specifically, I couldn't use Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to 
get to the top and bottom of the messages table, and there are a lot 
of sidebars and other views that are open which to me seem needless 
and cluttery. I look at this AppleVis article 
 which was 
helpful in certain ways but did not address any of the things 
mentioned above despite it having been written in 2014 and updated 
just last week. Can someone amplify or further explain some of these 
things? In particular, moving through the messages table a page at a 
time or getting to the top/bottom of said table would be quite 
helpful, as one such table in one mailbox folder has over 2000 
messages in it.



Thanks in advance.


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Re: Proper Setup of Mail with VoiceOver

2021-01-12 Thread John Panarese 
Yes, this is correct. Also, one doesn’t need to concern themselves with the 
various bars and such. It’s like any Windows mail client. You only need to 
navigate the mailboxes and the message table, and this is done with simple 
keyboard commands. Again, like any screen reader, if you know the shortcuts, 
you can avoid getting lost or dealing with areas of the screen that are not 
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> On Jan 12, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I use command plus option plus up or down arrows to move to the top or bottom 
> of the list of messages. I find that option plus the arrow keys does not 
> work. 
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Steve Matzura > > wrote:
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>> prefer the user experience provided by other operating systems and 
>> screenreaders. However, last night I had to work on someone's Mac that was 
>> having email problems. I ironed out the problems, but along the way, 
>> discovered that Mail was not set up optimally for use with VoiceOver. 
>> Specifically, I couldn't use Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to get to the top and 
>> bottom of the messages table, and there are a lot of sidebars and other 
>> views that are open which to me seem needless and cluttery. I look at this 
>> AppleVis article  
>> which was helpful in certain ways but did not address any of the things 
>> mentioned above despite it having been written in 2014 and updated just last 
>> week. Can someone amplify or further explain some of these things? In 
>> particular, moving through the messages table a page at a time or getting to 
>> the top/bottom of said table would be quite helpful, as one such table in 
>> one mailbox folder has over 2000 messages in it.
>> 
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Re: Proper Setup of Mail with VoiceOver

2021-01-12 Thread Greg Wocher 
Hello,
I use command plus option plus up or down arrows to move to the top or bottom 
of the list of messages. I find that option plus the arrow keys does not work. 

Greg Wocher


> On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
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> the user experience provided by other operating systems and screenreaders. 
> However, last night I had to work on someone's Mac that was having email 
> problems. I ironed out the problems, but along the way, discovered that Mail 
> was not set up optimally for use with VoiceOver. Specifically, I couldn't use 
> Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to get to the top and bottom of the messages table, 
> and there are a lot of sidebars and other views that are open which to me 
> seem needless and cluttery. I look at this AppleVis article 
>  which was helpful 
> in certain ways but did not address any of the things mentioned above despite 
> it having been written in 2014 and updated just last week. Can someone 
> amplify or further explain some of these things? In particular, moving 
> through the messages table a page at a time or getting to the top/bottom of 
> said table would be quite helpful, as one such table in one mailbox folder 
> has over 2000 messages in it.
> 
> 
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> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

2021-01-12 Thread Jürgen Fleger 
Hi,
I had to do the following to get it to work: 
open the Flycut app
it seems as if nothing happened but in truth an invisible window opened
press Enter to confirm and open System Preferences to enable AEServer to make 
Flycut working

After this it appeared in the extras menu.

All the best
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> Am 12.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hello,
> Like I said in my first message, Its not showing in the menu.
> I logged out and back in just to get it to quit.
> Then I was able to delete it. I reinstalled it with the same problem.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:39 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>> 
>> It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can be 
>> quit there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I got this from the App Store.
>>> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
>>> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity 
>>> monitor, or in the extras menu.
>>> And its not showing in force quit.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
 
 
 I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
 and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
 
 On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
> accessible?
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Proper Setup of Mail with VoiceOver

2021-01-12 Thread Steve Matzura 
I'm not a major Mac user. In particular, I don't use Safari or Mail. I 
prefer the user experience provided by other operating systems and 
screenreaders. However, last night I had to work on someone's Mac that 
was having email problems. I ironed out the problems, but along the way, 
discovered that Mail was not set up optimally for use with VoiceOver. 
Specifically, I couldn't use Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to get to the top 
and bottom of the messages table, and there are a lot of sidebars and 
other views that are open which to me seem needless and cluttery. I look 
at this AppleVis article 
 which was 
helpful in certain ways but did not address any of the things mentioned 
above despite it having been written in 2014 and updated just last week. 
Can someone amplify or further explain some of these things? In 
particular, moving through the messages table a page at a time or 
getting to the top/bottom of said table would be quite helpful, as one 
such table in one mailbox folder has over 2000 messages in it.



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Re: Airplaying iPad screen to Mac?

2021-01-12 Thread Traci Duncan 
Hi, yes I do. Just not in the area of the house I was in yesterday.

Thanks,
Traci


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> Well, this would be aioplay-2 and I don't think a mac can receive this. Do 
> you have any smart TV's? they might be able to receive airplay-2. - 
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

2021-01-12 Thread 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
Hello,
Like I said in my first message, Its not showing in the menu.
I logged out and back in just to get it to quit.
Then I was able to delete it. I reinstalled it with the same problem.


> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:39 AM, dan d.  wrote:
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> It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can be 
> quit there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I got this from the App Store.
>> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
>> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity monitor, 
>> or in the extras menu.
>> And its not showing in force quit.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
>>> and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
 accessible?
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
 
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

2021-01-12 Thread dan d. 
It's in menu extras, choose it and the configuration and quit menu items are 
there.

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

> Hi,
> same issues here. Could someone explain more how to use this tool?
> Thanks
> J??rgen
>
> > Am 11.01.2021 um 20:41 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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> > Hi,
> > I got this from the App Store.
> > I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
> > I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity 
> > monitor, or in the extras menu.
> > And its not showing in force quit.
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
> >> and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
> >>> accessible?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Christina
> >>>
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

2021-01-12 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Just curious, what does this app do?
Cheers,
Donna


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> On Jan 12, 2021, at 7:39 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can be 
> quit there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I got this from the App Store.
>> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
>> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity monitor, 
>> or in the extras menu.
>> And its not showing in force quit.
>> 
>> 
 On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
>>> and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
>>> 
 On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
 accessible?
 
 Thanks,
 Christina
 
 
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

2021-01-12 Thread dan d. 
It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can be quit 
there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

> Hi,
> I got this from the App Store.
> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity monitor, 
> or in the extras menu.
> And its not showing in force quit.
>
>
> > On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
> > and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
> >> accessible?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Christina
> >>
> >>
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

2021-01-12 Thread Jürgen Fleger 
Hi,
same issues here. Could someone explain more how to use this tool?
Thanks
Jürgen

> Am 11.01.2021 um 20:41 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> I got this from the App Store.
> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
> I can’t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity monitor, or 
> in the extras menu.
> And its not showing in force quit.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
>> and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
>> 
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
>>> accessible?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina
>>> 
>>> 
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