Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

This Apple Insider article may shed some more light on things for you:

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/07/macos-montereys-live-text-allows-users-to-interact-with-text-in-any-image
 


Essentially, we just need to wait a little while for it to be properly 
integrated.  Regular VoiceOver Recognition has its uses, but Live Text is the 
next generation.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 7:13 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Okay, as I understand it, VoiceOver Recognition will provide image 
> recognition in apps and on websites, but I see nothing about OCR for 
> documents.
> Thanks again for the resource.
>  
> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 5:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
>  
> Hi,
>  
> For information about VoiceOver Recognition, see this link:
>  
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/vocbaf20181f/mac 
> 
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>>  
>> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
>> bottom of the categories table.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>>  
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>>  
>> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
>>> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
>>> the list of categories.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
  
 Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
 but couldn't find it.
  
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Tim,
>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>> instances. Thanks.
>> Best,
>>  
>> Les
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> 

Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

Yeah, windows is about the only place where Firefox is fully accessible outside 
of a Linux environment (and there are several distributions of Linux that have 
full accessibility for the blind).

So, Firefox in windows can work with either jaws or NVDA pretty well. Just 
don’t use it in OS X. And yeah, Mozilla org doesn’t seem to see that 
accessibility on all platforms for everyone is important to their product.

-Eric


> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ok. thanks. I used to like it in windows. oh well.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:20 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Firefox is a freaking joke on OS X when it comes to accessibility. It still 
>> has major issues that make it a non-starter.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 1:47 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What about Firefox?
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 Unfortunately, no. that is one I will have to research.
 
 -Eric
 
 
> On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> yeah. it's Safari I'm using. I often have trouble with the context menu. 
> sometimes turning vo off and then back on again helps but it didn't in 
> this situation. I suppose chrome is accessible or you wouldn't have 
> recommended it. do you know anything about Brave?
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 4:43 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have 
>> found that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. 
>> In fact, the operation of said context menu is inconsistent.
>> 
>> Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but 
>>> when I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the 
>>> menu, just a bunch of stuff about the page.
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
 including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it 
 should start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, 
 it might just start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit 
 VO+SHIFT+M and go to download linked file.
 
 -Eric
 
 
> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  
> wrote:
> 
> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? 
> I've heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but 
> I'm hoping not.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[David The Computer Guy]

You can go to the site & download the Mac version as there’s a version for 
Linux, Windows & MacOS

Sent from David The Computer Guy
707-759-7586

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:51 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Okay, how do you download the file; not sure I recognize the extension.
> Is it accessible, and what platforms does it work on?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of David The Computer Guy
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 8:20 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
>  
> FYI, Y’all should have a look at Xournal… This app is the bomb for PDF 
> editing, even edits what Basic Adobe Reader doesn’t without having to pay for 
> a license or subscription!
>  
> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xournal/xournal-0.4.8.2016.tar.gz
> 
> Sent from David The Computer Guy
> 707-759-7586
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Your 2014 Mac mini should have no problem running Big Sur.
> I would assume Podcast should be the same on Big Sur as on Catalina, but 
> can’t say for sure, because I don’t use the Podcast app on Mac.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:24, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>  
> well, I might eventually. I have a late 2014 Mac. could it handle Big Sur? my 
> other question is: is there any difference in how Big Sur handles podcasts 
> from the way Catalina does?
>  
> thanks.
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>  
> Perhaps VoiceOver Recognition is not supported in Catalina.
> Might be a good time to consider upgrading to Big Sur.
> From what I can tell, any accessibility issues have been eliminated and you 
> should be good to go.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>  
> last thing I find is activities.
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>  
> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
> bottom of the categories table.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>  
> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>  
> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
>  
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
> the list of categories.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>  
> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
> but couldn't find it.
>  
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce 
> that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or 
> PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>  
> Hi Tim,
> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
> reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this 
> mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in 
> Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an 
> empty document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like 
> to use software in these instances. Thanks.
> Best,
>  
> Les
> 
> 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
> multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
> and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
> VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
> first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver 
> Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to 
> use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>  
> Hi All,
> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
> figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
> can perform OCR on it 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Okay, as I understand it, VoiceOver Recognition will provide image recognition 
in apps and on websites, but I see nothing about OCR for documents.

Thanks again for the resource.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

For information about VoiceOver Recognition, see this link:

 

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/vocbaf20181f/mac

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
Best,

Les

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RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Okay, how do you download the file; not sure I recognize the extension.

Is it accessible, and what platforms does it work on?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of David The Computer Guy
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 8:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

FYI, Y’all should have a look at Xournal… This app is the bomb for PDF editing, 
even edits what Basic Adobe Reader doesn’t without having to pay for a license 
or subscription!

 

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xournal/xournal-0.4.8.2016.tar.gz

Sent from David The Computer Guy

707-759-7586





On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

Your 2014 Mac mini should have no problem running Big Sur.

I would assume Podcast should be the same on Big Sur as on Catalina, but can’t 
say for sure, because I don’t use the Podcast app on Mac.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:24, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

well, I might eventually. I have a late 2014 Mac. could it handle Big Sur? my 
other question is: is there any difference in how Big Sur handles podcasts from 
the way Catalina does?

 

thanks.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Perhaps VoiceOver Recognition is not supported in Catalina.

Might be a good time to consider upgrading to Big Sur.

>From what I can tell, any accessibility issues have been eliminated and you 
>should be good to go.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

last thing I find is activities.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[David The Computer Guy]

FYI, Y’all should have a look at Xournal… This app is the bomb for PDF editing, 
even edits what Basic Adobe Reader doesn’t without having to pay for a license 
or subscription!

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xournal/xournal-0.4.8.2016.tar.gz

Sent from David The Computer Guy
707-759-7586

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Your 2014 Mac mini should have no problem running Big Sur.
> I would assume Podcast should be the same on Big Sur as on Catalina, but 
> can’t say for sure, because I don’t use the Podcast app on Mac.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:24, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> well, I might eventually. I have a late 2014 Mac. could it handle Big Sur? my 
> other question is: is there any difference in how Big Sur handles podcasts 
> from the way Catalina does?
> 
> thanks.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps VoiceOver Recognition is not supported in Catalina.
>> Might be a good time to consider upgrading to Big Sur.
>> From what I can tell, any accessibility issues have been eliminated and you 
>> should be good to go.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> last thing I find is activities.
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
>>> bottom of the categories table.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook 
 Pro 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
 
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item 
 in the list of categories.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in 
> there but couldn't find it.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>>> instances. Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
 it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page 
 you wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, 
 you can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
 VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition 
 is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still 
 doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat 
 DC.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but 
> could not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, 
> is there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? 
> Is there a 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Brad Snyder]

Your 2014 Mac mini should have no problem running Big Sur.
I would assume Podcast should be the same on Big Sur as on Catalina, but can’t 
say for sure, because I don’t use the Podcast app on Mac.

- Brad -


On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:24, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

well, I might eventually. I have a late 2014 Mac. could it handle Big Sur? my 
other question is: is there any difference in how Big Sur handles podcasts from 
the way Catalina does?

thanks.

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Perhaps VoiceOver Recognition is not supported in Catalina.
> Might be a good time to consider upgrading to Big Sur.
> From what I can tell, any accessibility issues have been eliminated and you 
> should be good to go.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> last thing I find is activities.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
>> bottom of the categories table.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
>>> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
>>> the list of categories.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
 but couldn't find it.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>> instances. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
 not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
 there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
 there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth 
 accessing? Thank you.
 Best,
 
 Les
 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Lorie McCloud]

well, I might eventually. I have a late 2014 Mac. could it handle Big Sur? my 
other question is: is there any difference in how Big Sur handles podcasts from 
the way Catalina does?

thanks.

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps VoiceOver Recognition is not supported in Catalina.
> Might be a good time to consider upgrading to Big Sur.
> From what I can tell, any accessibility issues have been eliminated and you 
> should be good to go.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> last thing I find is activities.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
>> bottom of the categories table.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
>>> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
>>> the list of categories.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
 but couldn't find it.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>> instances. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
 not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
 there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
 there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth 
 accessing? Thank you.
 Best,
 
 Les
 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Brad Snyder]

Perhaps VoiceOver Recognition is not supported in Catalina.
Might be a good time to consider upgrading to Big Sur.
>From what I can tell, any accessibility issues have been eliminated and you 
>should be good to go.

- Brad -


On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

last thing I find is activities.

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
> bottom of the categories table.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
>> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
>> the list of categories.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
>>> but couldn't find it.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
 Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
 announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
 Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
> instances. Thanks.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
>>> there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
>>> there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? 
>>> Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Lorie McCloud]

ok. thanks. that explains it.

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:07 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I expect that it is due to you running Catalina.  I believe that the feature 
> is a Big Sur introduction.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> last thing I find is activities.
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
>>> bottom of the categories table.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook 
 Pro 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
 
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item 
 in the list of categories.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in 
> there but couldn't find it.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>>> instances. Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
 it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page 
 you wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, 
 you can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
 VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition 
 is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still 
 doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat 
 DC.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but 
> could not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, 
> is there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? 
> Is there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth 
> accessing? Thank you.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
> Visionaries list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
> or if you 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I expect that it is due to you running Catalina.  I believe that the feature is 
a Big Sur introduction.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> last thing I find is activities.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
>> bottom of the categories table.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
>>> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
>>> the list of categories.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
 but couldn't find it.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>> instances. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
 not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
 there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
 there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth 
 accessing? Thank you.
 Best,
 
 Les
 
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 Visionaries list.
 
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RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

That might determine if I even need a PDF app capable of OCR on the Mac.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

For information about VoiceOver Recognition, see this link:

 

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/vocbaf20181f/mac

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.





On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
Best,

Les

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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Lorie McCloud]

last thing I find is activities.

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
> bottom of the categories table.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
>> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
>> the list of categories.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
>>> but couldn't find it.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
 Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
 announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
 Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
> instances. Thanks.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
>>> there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
>>> there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? 
>>> Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

For information about VoiceOver Recognition, see this link:

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/vocbaf20181f/mac 


Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the 
> bottom of the categories table.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
>> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
>> the list of categories.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
>>> but couldn't find it.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
 Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
 announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
 Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
> instances. Thanks.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
>>> there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
>>> there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? 
>>> Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
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>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Brad Snyder]

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.

- Brad -


On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
> the list of categories.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
>> but couldn't find it.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, 
 it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does 
 this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? 
 Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was 
 identified as an empty document. My work space may not accommodate a 
 scanner, so I would like to use software in these instances. Thanks.
 Best,
 
 Les
 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
> has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish 
> to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
> pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
> not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
> VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
> may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there 
>> a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a 
>> version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank 
>> you.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
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>> Visionaries list.
>> 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Lorie McCloud]

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 
> 13.  Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
> the list of categories.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
>> but couldn't find it.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, 
 it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does 
 this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? 
 Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was 
 identified as an empty document. My work space may not accommodate a 
 scanner, so I would like to use software in these instances. Thanks.
 Best,
 
 Les
 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
> has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish 
> to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
> pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
> not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
> VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
> may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there 
>> a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a 
>> version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank 
>> you.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
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>> at:  mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn 
>> - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>> 
>> 
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RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Does VoiceOver Recognition work on documents now or just images?

I do not read PDF documents on my phone.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 5:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
Best,

Les

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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Brad Snyder]

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.


- Brad -


On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
> but couldn't find it.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, 
>>> it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does 
>>> this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, 
>>> in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as 
>>> an empty document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would 
>>> like to use software in these instances. Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
 has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish 
 to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
 pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
 not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
 VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
 may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there 
> a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a 
> version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
> Best,
> 
> Les
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Lorie McCloud]

oh. I'm on a Mac Mini. there's something about image description in the vo 
utility. is that relevant in any way?

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in 
> the list of categories.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
>> but couldn't find it.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, 
 it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does 
 this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? 
 Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was 
 identified as an empty document. My work space may not accommodate a 
 scanner, so I would like to use software in these instances. Thanks.
 Best,
 
 Les
 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
> has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish 
> to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
> pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
> not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
> VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
> may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there 
>> a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a 
>> version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank 
>> you.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there 
> but couldn't find it.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, 
>>> it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does 
>>> this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, 
>>> in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as 
>>> an empty document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would 
>>> like to use software in these instances. Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
 has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish 
 to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
 pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
 not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
 VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
 may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there 
> a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a 
> version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
> Best,
> 
> Les
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Re: Internet Archive

[Lorie McCloud]

ok. thanks. I used to like it in windows. oh well.

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:20 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Firefox is a freaking joke on OS X when it comes to accessibility. It still 
> has major issues that make it a non-starter.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 1:47 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> What about Firefox?
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, no. that is one I will have to research.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 yeah. it's Safari I'm using. I often have trouble with the context menu. 
 sometimes turning vo off and then back on again helps but it didn't in 
 this situation. I suppose chrome is accessible or you wouldn't have 
 recommended it. do you know anything about Brave?
 
> On Jun 30, 2021, at 4:43 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have 
> found that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. 
> In fact, the operation of said context menu is inconsistent.
> 
> Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but 
>> when I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the menu, 
>> just a bunch of stuff about the page.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it 
>>> should start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, 
>>> it might just start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit 
>>> VO+SHIFT+M and go to download linked file.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  
 wrote:
 
 Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? 
 I've heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but 
 I'm hoping not.
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Lorie McCloud]

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

thanks.
Lorie

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce 
> that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or 
> PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, 
>> it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this 
>> mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in 
>> Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an 
>> empty document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like 
>> to use software in these instances. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
>>> has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish 
>>> to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
>>> pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
>>> not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
>>> VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
>>> may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
 figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way 
 I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
 Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
 Best,
 
 Les
 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Les Kriegler]

Hi John,
Well, when I searched for the Pro version, it came back with one result. Abby 
FineReader for $129.99. The word Pro was not in the title of the App, but that 
must be the correct version.
Best,

Les

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:38 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Make sure it’s Abby FineReader Pro. Unless they raised the price, it was 
> $99.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
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> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> I just went into the App Store and Abby FineReader is listed at $129. I 
>> forgot about Prizmo, so will also check that out. I may just stay with 
>> Windows for this task.
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:58 PM, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, >>> > >>> > wrote:
 
 Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
 Windows and Mac.
  
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  >>> > On Behalf Of Mary Otten
 Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
  
 Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
 mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click 
 on links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I 
 am not using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to 
 windows 10 was because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing 
 with these kinds of PDF files.
  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
> PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
> really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
> expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
> likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has 
> worked well for me.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Tim,
>>  
>> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro 
>> but I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can 
>> extract text and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you 
>> suggest we are PDF and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
>>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly 
>>> and that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
 though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I 
 have the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, 
 Acrobat Pro was a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF 
 Pen is a program I am not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[John Panarese]

  Make sure it’s Abby FineReader Pro. Unless they raised the price, it was $99.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> I just went into the App Store and Abby FineReader is listed at $129. I 
> forgot about Prizmo, so will also check that out. I may just stay with 
> Windows for this task.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:58 PM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>> Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
>>> Windows and Mac.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
>>>  
>>> Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
>>> mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click 
>>> on links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am 
>>> not using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 
>>> 10 was because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these 
>>> kinds of PDF files.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
 PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
 really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
 expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
 likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked 
 well for me.
  
 Later…
  
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Tim,
>  
> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro 
> but I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract 
> text and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we 
> are PDF and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly 
>> and that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
>>> though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I 
>>> have the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat 
>>> Pro was a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a 
>>> program I am not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
  
 Hi,
  
 Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
 Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
 announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
 Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

If that is the case, then I look forward to that feature.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

As far as I know, they’re working on that sort of thing for Monterey.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:26 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

It would be nice if VoiceOver for the Mac included OCR recognition much like 
JAWS and NVDA.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi John,

I just went into the App Store and Abby FineReader is listed at $129. I forgot 
about Prizmo, so will also check that out. I may just stay with Windows for 
this task.

Best Regards,

 

Les






On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:58 PM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com  

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT










On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada







On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les







On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

As far as I know, they’re working on that sort of thing for Monterey.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:26 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> It would be nice if VoiceOver for the Mac included OCR recognition much like 
> JAWS and NVDA.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
>  
> Hi John,
> I just went into the App Store and Abby FineReader is listed at $129. I 
> forgot about Prizmo, so will also check that out. I may just stay with 
> Windows for this task.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:58 PM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>>  
>> Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, >> > >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
>>> Windows and Mac.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
>>>  
>>> Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
>>> mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click 
>>> on links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am 
>>> not using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 
>>> 10 was because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these 
>>> kinds of PDF files.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
 PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
 really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
 expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
 likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked 
 well for me.
  
 Later…
  
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Tim,
>  
> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro 
> but I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract 
> text and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we 
> are PDF and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly 
>> and that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
>>> though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I 
>>> have the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat 
>>> Pro was a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a 
>>> program I am not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
  

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

It would be nice if VoiceOver for the Mac included OCR recognition much like 
JAWS and NVDA.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi John,

I just went into the App Store and Abby FineReader is listed at $129. I forgot 
about Prizmo, so will also check that out. I may just stay with Windows for 
this task.

Best Regards,

 

Les





On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:58 PM, John Panarese mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com  

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT








On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les






On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les






On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’ve always found tables awkward in documents whether they are PDF’s or not.  
Links are fine.  I believe that you can do a trial of PDFPen or PDFPen Pro from 
the WonderShare site.

https://pdfpen.com/pdfpen-family/ 

It might be worth you checking out before spending any money.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
> mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
> links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
> using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 
> was because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds 
> of PDF files.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
>> PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
>> really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
>> expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
>> likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked 
>> well for me.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but 
>>> I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text 
>>> and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF 
>>> and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
 maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly 
 and that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
> though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have 
> the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro 
> was a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program 
> I am not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>>> instances. Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
 it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page 
 you wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, 
 you can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
 VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition 
 is enabled in the VoiceOver 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Les Kriegler]

Hi John,
I just went into the App Store and Abby FineReader is listed at $129. I forgot 
about Prizmo, so will also check that out. I may just stay with Windows for 
this task.
Best Regards,

Les

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:58 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, > > > > wrote:
>> 
>> Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
>> Windows and Mac.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
>>  
>> Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
>> mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
>> links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
>> using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 
>> was because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these 
>> kinds of PDF files.
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
>>> PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
>>> really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
>>> expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
>>> likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked 
>>> well for me.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
  
 Hi Tim,
  
 I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro 
 but I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract 
 text and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we 
 are PDF and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
  
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly 
> and that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>  
> Later…
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
>> though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I 
>> have the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat 
>> Pro was a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a 
>> program I am not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
  
 Hi Tim,
 I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
 command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
 app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Very reasonable.

Which app do you like better and why?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 4:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

   Stand-alone apps. One time purchases.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:00 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Okay, are these subscription based aps or stand alone apps?

The pricing is very reasonable.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:58 PM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.

 


Take Care

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Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com  

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AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

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On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada







On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone







On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les







On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada







On Jul 2, 2021, 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[John Panarese]

   Stand-alone apps. One time purchases.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:00 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Okay, are these subscription based aps or stand alone apps?
> The pricing is very reasonable.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:58 PM
> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
>  
> Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, > > > > wrote:
>>  
>> Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
>> Windows and Mac.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
>>  
>> Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
>> mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
>> links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
>> using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 
>> was because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these 
>> kinds of PDF files.
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
>>> PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
>>> really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
>>> expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
>>> likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked 
>>> well for me.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
  
 Hi Tim,
  
 I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro 
 but I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract 
 text and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we 
 are PDF and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
  
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly 
> and that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>  
> Later…
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
>> though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I 
>> have the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat 
>> Pro was a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a 
>> program I am not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>>>  
>>> Later…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Okay, are these subscription based aps or stand alone apps?

The pricing is very reasonable.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:58 PM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.

 


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com  
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT








On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone






On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les






On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les






On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l 

Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[John Panarese]

Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
> Windows and Mac.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files
>  
> Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
> mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
> links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
> using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 
> was because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds 
> of PDF files.
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
>> PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
>> really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
>> expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
>> likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked 
>> well for me.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>  
>>> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but 
>>> I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text 
>>> and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF 
>>> and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
>>>  
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
  
 Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
 maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly 
 and that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
  
 Later…
  
  
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
> though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have 
> the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro 
> was a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program 
> I am not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>>> instances. Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 >>> > wrote:
  
 Hi,
  
 Normally, you navigate to the 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both 
Windows and Mac.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

 

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

 

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:



Hi,

 

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

 

Later…

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Tim,

Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.

Best Regards,

 

Les





On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les





On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
Best,

Les

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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Mary Otten]

Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you 
mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on 
links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not 
using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 was 
because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these kinds of 
PDF files.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
> PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
> really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
> expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
> likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked 
> well for me.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but 
>> I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text 
>> and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF 
>> and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
>>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and 
>>> that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
 Hi Tim,
 Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
 though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have 
 the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was 
 a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am 
 not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
 Best Regards,
 
 Les
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>> instances. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
 not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
 there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
 there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth 
 accessing? Thank you.
 Best,
 
 Les
 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I would expect that they would maintain accessibility in ABBYY Fine Reader as 
that was a feature that they were quite proud of.  Of course, I could simply be 
projecting my hopes, but, yes, ABBYY, if still accessible, is a very useful OCR 
and scanning tool.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:04 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2/7/21 1:36 pm, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
>> PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a 
>> really good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more 
>> expensive and probably has more features than you might need.  There are 
>> likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked 
>> well for me.
> There's supposed to be a new, redesigned version of ABBYY FineReader for Mac 
> as well. I don't know whether the new user interface is accessible with 
> VoiceOver, however.
> 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

On 2/7/21 1:36 pm, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen 
Pro.  PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very 
accessible and a really good package.  No, neither are free, but the 
Pro version is more expensive and probably has more features than you 
might need.  There are likely other packages out there to do the job, 
but this package has worked well for me.
There's supposed to be a new, redesigned version of ABBYY FineReader for 
Mac as well. I don't know whether the new user interface is accessible 
with VoiceOver, however.


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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Les Kriegler]

I need to perform OCR on this document, and that need arises from time to time. 
Thanks.
Vest,

Les

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> sorry I didn't follow this thread so hopefully I'm not wrong in 
> understanding: Why don't you use CMD a and CMD c to extract text from PDFS? 
> Or do you need an OCR? 
> There was once a software called something PDFIFY for this task. It was free. 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 02.07.2021 um 18:26 schrieb Les Kriegler :
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but 
>> I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text 
>> and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF 
>> and maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
>>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and 
>>> that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, 
 though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have 
 the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was 
 a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am 
 not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
 Best Regards,
 
 Les
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
>> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
>> instances. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
 not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
 there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
 there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth 
 accessing? Thank you.
 Best,
 
 Les
 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, Adobe is a subscription model.  There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro.  
PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a really 
good package.  No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more expensive and 
probably has more features than you might need.  There are likely other 
packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked well for me.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
> don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
> $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
> maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and 
>> that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. 
>>> I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the 
>>> Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a 
>>> subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am 
>>> not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
 Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
 announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
 Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
> instances. Thanks.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
>>> there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
>>> there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? 
>>> Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
sorry I didn't follow this thread so hopefully I'm not wrong in understanding: 
Why don't you use CMD a and CMD c to extract text from PDFS? Or do you need an 
OCR? 
There was once a software called something PDFIFY for this task. It was free. 
All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 02.07.2021 um 18:26 schrieb Les Kriegler :
> 
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
> don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
> $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
> maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and 
>> that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. 
>>> I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the 
>>> Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a 
>>> subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am 
>>> not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
 Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
 announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
 Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
> instances. Thanks.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
>>> there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
>>> there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? 
>>> Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tim,

I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
$80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
maybe located? I hope they still offer it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and 
> that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. 
>> I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the 
>> Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a 
>> subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not 
>> familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim,
 I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, 
 it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does 
 this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? 
 Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was 
 identified as an empty document. My work space may not accommodate a 
 scanner, so I would like to use software in these instances. Thanks.
 Best,
 
 Les
 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
> has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish 
> to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
> pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
> not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
> VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
> may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there 
>> a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a 
>> version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank 
>> you.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to maneuver 
through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and that's much 
easier to use. Neither are free though.

Later…


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
> take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, 
> and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
> service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar 
> with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
> Best Regards,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
>> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
>> announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, 
>>> it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does 
>>> this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, 
>>> in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as 
>>> an empty document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would 
>>> like to use software in these instances. Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
 has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish 
 to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
 pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
 not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
 VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
 may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there 
> a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a 
> version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
> Best,
> 
> Les
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tim,
Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. I 
take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the Reader, and 
I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a subscription 
service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am not familiar with, 
but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
Best Regards,

Les

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
> Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce 
> that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or 
> PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, 
>> it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this 
>> mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in 
>> Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an 
>> empty document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like 
>> to use software in these instances. Thanks.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
>>> has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish 
>>> to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
>>> pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
>>> not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
>>> VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
>>> may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
 On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
 figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way 
 I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
 Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
 Best,
 
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

Later…


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Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
> reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this 
> mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in 
> Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an 
> empty document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like 
> to use software in these instances. Thanks.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it 
>> has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to 
>> read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try 
>> pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does 
>> not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 
>> VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you 
>> may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
>>> figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way 
>>> I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
>>> Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Tim,
I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.
Best,

Les

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
> multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
> and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
> VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
> first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver 
> Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to 
> use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
>> figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there a way I 
>> can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is there a version of 
>> Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? Thank you.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Les
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Re: Internet Archive

[Eric Oyen]

Firefox is a freaking joke on OS X when it comes to accessibility. It still has 
major issues that make it a non-starter.

-Eric


> On Jul 1, 2021, at 1:47 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> What about Firefox?
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, no. that is one I will have to research.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yeah. it's Safari I'm using. I often have trouble with the context menu. 
>>> sometimes turning vo off and then back on again helps but it didn't in this 
>>> situation. I suppose chrome is accessible or you wouldn't have recommended 
>>> it. do you know anything about Brave?
>>> 
 On Jun 30, 2021, at 4:43 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 Hmmm. That’s weird. What browser are you using? If It’s safari, I have 
 found that the context menu sometimes doesn’t work right when it should. 
 In fact, the operation of said context menu is inconsistent.
 
 Btw, you might have better luck with Chrome.
 
 -Eric
 
 
> On Jun 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> the link to the book that somebody sent me lets me start playing it but 
> when I hit the context menu to download it, download is not in the menu, 
> just a bunch of stuff about the page.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s relatively easy. There are going to be several links to a file, 
>> including the torrent one. Choose the most appropriate link and it 
>> should start a download immediately. In the case of media type files, it 
>> might just start playing them in window on you. In that case, hit 
>> VO+SHIFT+M and go to download linked file.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anybody here know how to download from Internet Archive with a Mac? 
>>> I've heard it's a torrent site so maybe I need a torrent client but I'm 
>>> hoping not.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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