Re: Tables in Chrome in Ventura

2023-09-07 Thread joseph hodge
Yes this is about right. Mac has gotten worse and worse for basic web navigation. I am currently running the beta because I was hoping this would be fixed, but it has gotten worse. Tables are still broken plus now speech just randomly shuts off and I have to toggle voiceover off and on. Sorry

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Mohamed Fayed
Hi, I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in performance is tremendous and you will notice it. For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make the exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter duration. For web

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Herbie Allen
Has there ever been happy with VO. I find it works well for me. I use Windows very little since I still find the Mac more accessible. > On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:23, Traci Duncan wrote: > > Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list > about the disappointment in

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Maurice A. Mines
Hi I am having some small issues, but no showstoppers whin it comes to Mac OS accessibility. That being said. I am using a beta on an Intel based Mac. I am switching to a silicon based Mac next week. If I need Windows for dictation, thin I will use a virtual Windows

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Caitlyn Furness
At this point I'll never go back to windows. Even if the mac and VO has it's problems, windows has more and I hear all the time from friends and family how frustrating windows is to use... Cait, with the ten year old macbook air still working fine > On Sep 7, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Herbie Allen

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Dave Carlson
My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared to Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously consider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop. I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari is

Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Traci Duncan
Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance. Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot of you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience? I think I am mostly curious

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Bill Gallik
Tracy et al, I personally have not experienced many of the VoiceOver issues appearing on this list. I’m using a Mac mini (2014) and recently did need to have the (mechanical) hard drive replaced with an SSD. I figure after over 9 years and all that drive head movement a mechanical drive

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Mike Arrigo
Wait until you try the Apple Silicon mac, it is so much better and faster than the Intel, you will love it. > On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Maurice A. Mines wrote: > > Hi I am having some small issues, but no showstoppers whin it comes > to Mac OS accessibility. That being said. I

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Mike Arrigo
I’m quite happy with my macs, especially the new Apple Silicon models, I have no interest at all in switching to Windows. > On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Traci Duncan wrote: > > Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list > about the disappointment in Mac’s

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread matthew dyer
Hi, Using an m1 Mac book air and do not have any of the crashing or busy messages mentioned. That’s interesting. I also have both an Intel Mac mini and a windows 11 desktop. I find that my MBA is pretty stable. I am able to do email and web browsing just fine without any problem. Perhaps

Inserting horizontal line

2023-09-07 Thread Traci Duncan
Hi all, I was just composing an email where I was pasting an example letter. I thought it would be nice to have some sort of separation between the top part of the email, and the pasted potential letter. If that makes sense. Is there a way to insert a long line divider? Thanks, Traci -- The

RE: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread josephlhodge
I am normally not a Doom and gloom person, but my experience with the beta has been very poor. Using Safari or Microsoft Edge if I'm moving by Headings or controls voiceover often crashes and I cannot bring it back. So much with web navigation is broken. Top it all off with my message this morning

group texts

2023-09-07 Thread Lorie McCloud
I'm being included in a group text. I have no idea why. is there a way to get out of it or do I have to block all the numbers in it? thanks. Lorie Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns

Re: group texts

2023-09-07 Thread joseph hudson
If it says text message, then, yeah, you'll have to block all the numbers. But if it's iMessage, then you can go to the group, and you can hit the leave button. Joseph Hudson EmailFaceTime/iMessage jhud7...@twc.com Connect with me on zoom

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Jonathan Cohn
What are you talking about, VoiceOver for Mac with the Mail application has always respected using the goto header functions. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn > On Sep 7, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > I agree and I use the same tactic:

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread lenron brown
I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14 with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things can just be slower on a

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Traci Duncan
Ok, this is mostly good feedback. Thanks. I want to stick with Mac, just because it is far more natural now. I do use duck duck go for searching, but constantly get safari not responding. Is Google Chrome preferred? I also get music not responding. I had heard upgrading to a m2 MBA will make

Where to find link for iBUG spring 2023 Mac Training Course please.

2023-09-07 Thread Marlene Kramer
Hi, I am trying to find a web link to the IBUG spring 2023 Mac training course, but I’ve had no luck. Can someone here please point me in the right direction? Thanks. Marlene -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or

Z3kit

2023-09-07 Thread Traci Duncan
Hi, is anyone familiar with z3kit? They have several products for extracting and converting audiobooks. They also have something called an Android emulator. Thanks, Traci -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
Well, I have bought a Windows laptop and I’m making sure I use it since I no longer think Apple is always going to stick to their original commitment to blind people. I also find using the internet on a Windows machine a much more pleasant and efficient experience. Andrew > On 7 Sep 2023,

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
You may have heard the saying, "the grass is greener on the other side". In my opinion its more practical to learn to work around any shortcomings. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much." -Helen Keller My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Yes I am really concerned especially as I am testing out the Sonoma beta. It has a lot of issues with both mail and safari and braille usage too. But there seems to be no other than me on the public beta list that is testing the Mac. In windows you know what you get and you can use nada for

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail. Andrew > On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32,

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
I second this. I use both my Mac and my PC daily. I teach online, and mostly I prefer the way JAWS and Windows handles the LMS, so I doubt I’ll ever not have a PC. But I’m also amazed at how frustrating things that should be simple can be on Windows. Cheers, Donna > On Sep 7, 2023, at 12:32

Re: group texts

2023-09-07 Thread Lorie McCloud
I'm glad to know the difference between text messages and i-messages. I can't tell what this group is but it looks like a mixed bag so it probably isn't I messages. I found out what it was about though so now I don't have to block all those numbers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 7, 2023, at 8:49

Re: group texts

2023-09-07 Thread Gabe Griffith
Hi, The way I tell if it's an iMessage or text message is to open the conversation and go to the edit button. It will either say text message or iMessage. Another thing I do if I don't want to block all the numbers or leave the conversation is to mute it. Just flick up or down when you are

Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

2023-09-07 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Ihr understand your frustration. Sometimes Ihr experience the same frustration. But all in all I'm quite happy with my Macs. Don't forget you are using aber beta version. I'd rather have seen Apple kept the policy of keeping beta experiences sicret. It often makes people insecure and frustrated. 

Re: group texts

2023-09-07 Thread Tali Sarnetzky
I went to a iMessage group yesterday and hit the leave button, but it did not react immediately. All it said was Leav Button Dimmed and nothing more. Later, I went back into the group and saw a message that said I left the group earlier. It was quite odd, but I guess it worked. On 9/8/23, joseph