Very well put, Laura! :) I agree with all theat you've said!
Olivia
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On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
Laura, very well stated and very much to the point.
On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Laura M wrote:
As to 1,
Hi Mary,
I'm using a Handytech braillestar 40 with my macbook.
You can connect it via bluetooth or usb.
For other brailletables then the default one in macosx, you can download
cecibraille. It contains language tables such as german, french, ...
When you use google to find this dmg, you'll get
Hi again,
I forgot to mention that you can use the Handytech as an input device. :)
Personally, I don't use it that way. I want the same behavior as when I connect
my handytech to my LInux boxes. ;)
grtz
-Peter
Op 18-jun-2010, om 09:45 heeft Peter Durieux het volgende geschreven:
Hi Mary,
Hi,
What I do with Adium is when someone types a message if I've missed it is
interact with the HTML area, hit VO-SHift-End to get to the last message
received, and that's that. You don't have to scroll.
So, if you know a few VO key shortcuts, messenger is just as good on windows,
although I
Hi all,
I've had my mac book pro for a couple of weeks now. While I've not had an
opportunity to sit and learn it just yet, I've been able to do some work on
it.
I'm going to use vm fusion and perhaps windows 7 to run some of the
important programs I need like ms word openbook, and Duxbury.
You can have Adium read out messages automaticly with the system voice, however
you'll face the problem I was talking about earlier in this thread.
On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
hey thanks just tried that and it works a treat, shame it does not auto read
out the new
Adium is pretty good with IRC, but I must admit, it lacks in some areas. X-Chat
aqua I still not sure how to use actually, so yeah. I think we need a better
client in that department. Aqua's preferences dialog is most certainly weird.
On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:
HI Mary,
Braille input is possible using braille connect and snowleopard. I haven't
tried input on the braille sense plus, mostly because I never could get the
thing up and running on leopard and haven't bothered with it on Snowleopard.
I think input is also possible with the alva BC640 when
Hello Courtney,
In places where VO-Shift-M ought to work but doesn't, route your mouse cursor
to your VO cursor with VO-Command-F5 and then hold down the Control key and
click with the physical mouse or trackpad. This will bring up a contextual menu.
Cheers,
Anne
On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:27 AM,
Hello Christina,
I don't think you can centre text vertically in TextEdit. It's a good little
word processor, but lacks many features you would find in a more professional
application.
Have you tried Pages?
Cheers,
Anne
On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:40 AM, Christina wrote:
Can I vertically center
Hi i got my vr-stream to work.
All i had to do was to format the sd card on the stream itself and when i
plugged it in it came up.
Not sure if you guys new thought i would pass it along.
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Another really useful response, thank you. All this is information I will be
using to get the most out of our day for as many people as possible. This
netbook has a couple of years in it I should think, but I have a feeling it
has received its last paid for update. My feeling is that by then,
Apple has redesigned it's mac mini. It's now shorter (at just over an inch
thick), but also wider (at approximately 7.1 square). The big thing on this
one is, on the bottom, there is a round cover. Twist this cover, and remove
it, and you are immediately granted access to the RAM. There is also a
Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. I'm
sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger amount of
data, and continue their current behavior.
I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for
ATT to get their
I have to ask, How on earth can you stay on a call for 72 hours!? :)
Donna
On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
You bring up some good points. If I can use the wireless then I do but if I
use the 3g It will be limited to a bit of streaming, haytell, skype when I
can get it to
I personally think this is a good step taken by Apple. The introduction of
HDMI on the mini is fantastic for those who wish to hook up a full computer to
their HD TV. Internet browsing etc on the XBox/PS3
On 18 Jun 2010, at 12:11, Rob Lambert wrote:
leaves a lot to be desired and the Mac mini
Does Ichat still have that weird limitation as to who you can add to your
contacts? Sorry, I know that's vague, I just remember that when I got my Mac
last summer people were opting for Adium because of some issue pertaining to
chatting with contacts from certain providers, like I think maybe
I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in
the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really motivated
to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for consumers,
read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372.
On Jun 18, 2010,
Hi all,
Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure
visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous
site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications
such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I
Definitely true. But both VZ and Sprint have better networks, that might give
them some motivation, if Steve Jobs and friends hadn't chosen the brilliant
plan of guaranteeing ATT customers because of the iPhone.
Donna
On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote:
I agree with you Donna. The
well, you could type in /clear to clear the text and if you have key echo by
characters on, that will interupt it. also if you use keyboard commanders like
option t for time, that will interupt the system voice.
On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Orin wrote:
Hi,
What I do with Adium is when
Hi all,
How do you sync playlists to the Iphone? I checked the box to manually sync
music, but every time I go to the playlists search tab, nothing comes up. What
am I doing wrong? Thanks for your help in advance. Have a great day.
Allison
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Hi all,
Just my thoughts on this topic, but.. unlimited data is cool, but not that
easy.
Here in Belgium I pay 99 euro's for 20 hours of calling, 2 GB of data traffic.
Another provider here in .be asks 15 euro for 50Mb, so If I see the prices
elsewhere, for example in the .us, the data plans
How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail
for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things. Has anyone figured
out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my
devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible.
MobileMe is a waste of money in my opinion. I sync my Gmail and contacts with
Google Sync. This way I keep my contacts up to date no matter what device I'm
using, whether it be running Windows, Mac, iOS or Windows Mobile.
Subject: Re: MobileMe redesigned website
From:
I don't know about running the adaptive technology stuff on the mac, soI'll
leave that to someone who has more experience with open book, etc, but I wonder
whether you've tried iWork and pages? These programs work just as well as MS
word once you play around with them, and you'd eliminate the
haven't tried google sync, but I never use windows devices, so mobile me works
well for what I need. Different solutions work for different people, though.
Olivia
Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs
On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Blake Sinnett wrote:
MobileMe is
Hi Everyone,
Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't
understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it
for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over
the last few years, that it just simply isn't
Hello,
Personally, I absolutely adore Mobile Me.com. I think it is one of the best
investments I've ever made. It's simple, secure, and Mac-Centric.
While I use both the syncing features of Google on both an enterprise and
personal level, as well as taking advantage of the vast resources of
Sorry to sound thick, what is OpenBook? is this some sort of OCR for the PC?
And this Fine Reader is this expensive? I am hoping to get an iPal Solo from
Humanware, but in the meantime I would like an OCR package that I can use to
read my printed documents that come through the post. The
Hello Denise,
First, let me address all of those who have so kindly contacted me off-list.
I will return your calls; I'm still playing catch up so forgive the delay,
OK?
Denise, I am comfortable in stating that any version of Windows 7 (32-bit
recommended) will work just fine with VM Ware
Hi Olivia,
Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows
users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that
expensive third-party software. :)
Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of
out-of-the-box
I have parallels installed on my Mac. I already had Windows xp installed via
BootCamp which I used rarely for applications that you could not get to run on
a Mac back in the day when I used to have a Nokia phone and a Sat nav that was
not a tom tom. After losing my site I thought I would
Hello Olivia,
I would never dream of flaming you or anyone for asking an honest question.
While I'm short on time, I wanted to give you an answer from someone who is
not biased against either platform, something that is becoming harder and
harder to find, sadly.
I find that I am traveling
Hi everyone,
I've been following the posts on Abbyy Fine reader. Is it like Kurzweil for
Mac? Does it operate on the same principles as Kurzweil 1000? WHat I mean by
this question is it possible to hook up a USB scanner and use Abbyy Fine Reader
to scan a printed document? I need a
I use iDisk a heck of a lot. I have the iDisk icon listed on my desktop (go to
finder preferences and tick external drives) I drag and drop aka copy and files
to it. I can then retrieve them from my other mac computer and used to also
access the data via mobile me (when I was sighted) at
Not enough competition?
I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much competition
is needed?
On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote:
I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in
the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt
Hi all,
I just learned something new in Amadeus Pro and I thought I'd share it. I was
trying to get a song to gradually fade out for my podcast, I discovered if you
go in to effects, fading, and then settings you will find lots of customizable
options. If you set the fade out type to quadratic
Hi.
I really miss a good scanning software for the mac. I am using
finereader 10 in bootcamp or in vmware.
I also like, that you can access your windows files from your mac, if
for exampel your windows has broke down, that happens. Another thing
is that if you use vmware you can install windows
This makes great sense! Thanks for putting this so clearly! I do completely
understand where you're coming from, and this is exactly the kind of
information I was intersetd in obtaining!
I'd probably be more inclined to use windows if screen readers were less
expensive and more accessible. If
Well put Mark.
You know? A lot of times we do things just because we can. Like owning 2
pairs of sneakers. lol. You can only wear one pair at a time right? lol.
But it just boils down to flexibility. There are things that the Mac with
voiceover just don't or can't do at this point.
Sometimes it's a matter of circomstances... For example, I once upon a time
took an online course for the blind. I had me a copy of windows xp pro from the
machine that died and was replaced by my mac. At this time, we were using a
ventrillo server to attend classes and the windows version
You're like me! I'm a true mac fan girl, and I'd never use jaws again,
personally. I'm pretty lucky because I can use my mac at work, but I know
unfortunately, that most places are still using windows and microsoft.
I hope you're able to figure out jaws enough to use it for work. I am sure
It's interesting that blackboard didn't work for you. I was a student for a
year lst winter, and I got great results with blackboard and safari.
Hopefully, the mac will soon replace that expensive third party software for
you! :)
I totally understand that some still need windows, and I'm kind
There is at least one thing I've noticed that is more accessible than before.
The actions menu can now be accessed with vo. One thing you have to do
however, is turn off cursor tracking. When keyboard tracks with vo, nothing
seems to work.
Another note of interest: Mail rules are now
Hi all.
I have som problems with safari and braille at the moment. When I have
wrote a mail in my gmail, my display does not follow what I am
writing. I would like if I could see the last words i have just been
writing. I have also some problems when I have to read the mail before
I send it. It
Hi Eric,
By they are only set up for computer braille entry, I assume you mean vo, not
the particular display, the bc640? Or did you mean just that display?
Mary
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Mark, then you are going to absolutely love the new find my iPhone app. It's
simple and fast. Of course it requires one to have access to an iPod touch,
iPad or a friends iPhone with the app installed.
Brett C.
On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:10 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
Hello,
Personally, I
Hello,
I am in the same boat. I have a lot of scanning to do, and started law school 2
years ago. There wasn't any great OCR solution for the mac, so I decided to
install windows XP and kurzweil via fusion on my machine. I still use it to
this day just for that purpose, but have replaced
Hi allison,
While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people say,
no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a decade.
Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR recognized, such
as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget
Hi John,
I have a copy of fusion and was planning to port an xp set up over to my Mac
with the K1000. I'm using a bookedge scanner, and its driver installation is a
bit nonstandard, hence the desire to port over, rather than just getting win7
and startig fresh. What scanner are you using with
Hello Mary,
The scanner I'm using is a fujitsu fi-6230. I like the scanner because of its
super fast document feeder. You can get that bad boy going at sixty pages per
minute. The other nice thing is that the document feeder supports double sided
scanning, so where applicable you get both
Hi Olivia,
you can simply configure finder to access your mobileme idkisk space.
For information about configure idisk on your mac, see the apple support site
or google can help.
Also, the idisk appllication on the iphone is very accessible, instead of
closing an opened document.
Ok, at least
Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school. Two weeks ago Humanware
demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead. The camera
was portable as it was on a fold up tripod type thing. The software was on a
Windows machine which drove the camera, words were also displayed
Chris,
I wouldn't mind that either! *smile* Has anyone seen the specifications
for the camera in iPhone 4? Specifically, is the flash LED or xenon based?
Cheers,
Dónal
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Yes, I've heard of that Humanware device, the Intel reader. Its got a hefty
pricetag, and it doesn't run on a Mac either. the folks who make the IPAL are
supposedly starting a beta test program for something that will run on a mac
and use the same system for scanning as they have with Windows.
Thanks, John. that Fujitsu doesn't sound like the scanner for me. I doubt the
library would appreciate me cutting up their books. smile
mary
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I have a ? is it possible when Using Itunes for play back to set up a
compresser as a pre set at all or is there enny third party software that you
can use so I could do this?
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Hi Peter,
Thanks for your reply about using the braille star. I'd love to see the
Handytech braille cels. Apparently, its a unique design, and people either love
it or hate it. its hard to picture how the concave cells are without getting
your hands on a display.
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I think that ABEECEE (sp) is looking at developing a similar program for the
Mac.
Donna
On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school. Two weeks ago Humanware
demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead. The camera
was
Also, with Iphone 4 now sporting a 5 megapixel camera, you have to believe that
OCR apps will be created for it as well.
Donna
On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school. Two weeks ago Humanware
demonstrated document readers to me which
Yes, it will be great if they come out with an accessible scanning ocr app for
the IPhone. But I don't think I see such an app being for the most efficient
way to do books. Great for stuff on the go, however.
Mary
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The camera in the iPhone 4 is 5 megapixels and can operate in lower light
conditions than the previous iPhone 3GS. The flash is LED which is probably
better for OCR than Xenon. Apparently camera is pretty good, its not always
about pixel count its about processing and also the size of the
If the iPhone was docked into an L shaped stand like Humanware's iPal then
multiple pages could be easily done. Turn the page and wait for the camera
click, then turn to the next page and so on. Also the ability to upload the
data direct to a computer like the iPal to take advantage of a
No, probably not the most efficient method for scanning books. :)
Donna
On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Yes, it will be great if they come out with an accessible scanning ocr app
for the IPhone. But I don't think I see such an app being for the most
efficient way to do books.
Hi Olivia,
Well I can of course speak for myself, but let me share a few things with you:
1. I use windows only for school projects/related activities. Specifically I
use OUtlook Express to follow the message postings, which are not a typical
news group format. I have been after the developers
Could you not use a Newsreader on the Mac similar to how news groups are
displayed within Outlook Express? I have not used those type of news groups
for years, but I am sure there will be something you could get on the Mac, this
will mean less time on Windows
On 18 Jun 2010, at 18:11, Scott
Donna,
Excuse my ignorance, but what audio software do you use on Windows and for what
purpose?
Chris
On 18 Jun 2010, at 15:38, Donna Goodin wrote:
Hi Olivia,
Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows
users for many years, which means, unfortunately,
The only thing I use Windows for, and the only reason I installed it on the Mac
as a Vm, is to use Winamp. I like Vlc but I just haven't found anything I like
as well as Winamp.
Also I've been a Windows used since the mid 90s so there are still a few times
such as now with the Audible/Safari
Well said, Brandon!!
On Jun 18, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Brandon Misch wrote:
well, you could type in /clear to clear the text and if you have key echo by
characters on, that will interupt it. also if you use keyboard commanders
like option t for time, that will interupt the system voice.
On
Hmm I'll try irsi and see. I'm not perfisent with the terminal but I'll give it
a go if I can find it. lol!
Take care.
S
On Jun 18, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Orin wrote:
Adium is pretty good with IRC, but I must admit, it lacks in some areas.
X-Chat aqua I still not sure how to use actually, so
OO! Thank you thank you thank you. I found my faids to abropt. I have some
other questions but I'll ask you off list.
Take care.
S
On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:
Hi all,
I just learned something new in Amadeus Pro and I thought I'd share it. I was
trying to get a
Hi Annie,
I had this problem as well. I'm using a BrailleNote Mpower and have to use
different routing keys to perform the reading functions. The only way I have
gotten this to work in my Gmail account is pressing VO shift down arrow before
I proofread my E-mails. What type of display are you
actually i my case it did. it stopped everything and I mean everything. lol!
On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Brandon Misch wrote:
yeah go to growl preferences and there should be a stop growl button. be
aware that doing this will not stop any events you have set in applications
like speaking
Hi Mary and all,
I was under the impression that the Intel Reader was a portable device. Well, I
think it is unless you use it with the capture station. I thought in listening
to podcasts and demos about this product, that the great thing about the Intel
Reader is that you don't have to be
Yeah, I took a BLackboard course with safari and it wasn't all that bad.
Messaging could use some work, though, as when I tried to message someone it
for some reason came out blank on their end.
On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:
It's interesting that blackboard didn't work
Hi.
I have tried with 3 different displays, a pacmate 40 cells display, a
seika and a 12 cells vario connect, I have the same problem with all
of them, and one of my friends has tried with a 40 cells vario
connect, that is the same problem. I can not get it to work with
interacting, I have still
The reason i do it as my broadcasting suite uses windows and i don't want to
change it, pluss I have ot use sonar to edit and master stuff until I can
afford protools le which will be a while but I'm patient.
Take care.
S
On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Hi,
It seems
Hi all,
since 10.6.4, there are new problems with the braille. e.g. in forms on the
internet in safari 5, only a part of the text in a form is visible on the
brailledisplay.
When you interact with a mail message, I think the vo-cursor is jumping to the
button-bar (bad English).
Also other
Hi all.
Would one of you report the isues to apple, you are better in english than I am.
Best regards Annie.
2010/6/18, William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com:
Hi all,
since 10.6.4, there are new problems with the braille. e.g. in forms on the
internet in safari 5, only a part of the text
Hello all,
I 've just installed adobe's flashplayer v10.1 with safari 5 with the
instructions of accessibility..
The installation was successful but I see no difference.
I have tryed a site for speedtest , normally , it should have only 1
flash-object that's a button to start the stest.
The
Hi!
I went through a year of graduate school using pages to write my papers, and
the lowest grade I got was a b+. I was able to format correctly, and
accomplish all tasks just fine. If you would like some pointers and tips, feel
free to email me off list, I'm happy to help! :)
Olivia
I also love the find my iPhone feature. Is this accessible with VO now? Last I
checked it wasn't.
Olivia
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On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:10 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
Hello,
Personally, I absolutely adore Mobile Me.com. I think it is
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Apple quietly includes malware prevention update in Mac OS X 10.6.4
By
Katie Marsal
Published: 12:25 PM EST
Apple silently updated its Snow Leopard malware protection in this week's
Mac OS X 10.6.4 update, targeting a Trojan that disguises itself
Yeah you can't use speeddtst.net nt he mac at all. at least I can't.
Take care.
S
On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:52 PM, William Windels wrote:
Hello all,
I 've just installed adobe's flashplayer v10.1 with safari 5 with the
instructions of accessibility..
The installation was successful but I
pi just updated to version 9.2 of itunes on my windows xp machine and now it
is not detecting my ipadanyone else have. this problem?
greg
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A friend of mine is having the same problem with an iPod classic on their
windows machine
On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Greg Weller wrote:
pi just updated to version 9.2 of itunes on my windows xp machine and now it
is not detecting my ipadanyone else have. this problem?
greg
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To start a download from a link, press option+return.
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On Jun 18, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
Hello Courtney,
In places where VO-Shift-M ought to work but doesn't, route your mouse cursor
to your VO cursor with VO-Command-F5 and then hold down the Control
Yep foudn that on the mac voice over list. Well I'm updating now actually. Wish
me luck.
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That was the strangest thing, I have literally just had the same
problem on my mac, it may not be exactly the same problem as
restarting itunes seemed to sort it out but earlier on while I was
looking round the itunes store it froze up and made the whole laptop
run slowly. It seems to be syncing
Hello, it's taken a while to respond to this post. It's good to find out that
there is someone who knows actually where, like the University of Northern
Colorado is. As far is good headphones, I do really like my terror of QC 15
headphones, from the Bose Corporation. I find that their grade in
Hi Sarah
does this mean that the flash plugin not work for us or do you have visited
already sites with flash successfully?
If so, it would be nice if you give a example.
Just for test of this new feature.
best regards,
William
Op 18-jun-2010, om 22:34 heeft Sarah Alawami het volgende
It should do, although it doesn't have jingle machines as such.
/Krister
16 jun 2010 kl. 02.21 skrev Courtney Curran:
Hi,
So would this work to prerecord a show for a broadcast on an Internet Radio
station? If not, what would? Sorry for the off-topicness.
Courtney
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:45
For whatever reason, although the view menu in preview was set to view a pdf as
single page continuous, the document I was having problems with wasn't reading
like that. Reopening the document and preview solved the problem; no idea why
it didn't work right the first time.
mary
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I like the Mac, too, but it can't do everything.
For music and audio production, we now have Pro Tools, but, for many tasks,
software systems under Windows like Sonar still have superior access. So, for
now, I run Sonar in BootCamp.
I run a small business, and use Outlook and Excel
Hello mark and everyone,
Thanks for your thoughtful answer. I don't know if this makes sense, but One
of the reasons I'm looking at installing vm fusion with windows on the mac
is so that I can start really using the mac. As long as I keep my windows
machine set up in front of me, I'm going to
Fair comments... However, wasn't Exchange support added to Mail with Snow
Leopard?
Whilst there is a smaller audience on the Mac front who are not requesting
VoiceOver support from Developers yet there will quite a wait before we start
to see more accessible stuff. Windows has had JAWS,
Are your hearing aids not compatible with the Phonak iCom streamer ? This
might save the need to wear headphones altogether
On 18 Jun 2010, at 23:03, Maurice Mines wrote:
Hello, it's taken a while to respond to this post. It's good to find out that
there is someone who knows actually where,
My school mail is Microsoft Exchange and I get it on the Mac running Snow
Leopard.
On Jun 18, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
Fair comments... However, wasn't Exchange support added to Mail with Snow
Leopard?
Whilst there is a smaller audience on the Mac front who are not requesting
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