OSX 10.11.2

2015-12-09 Thread jeff `greene
Hi, Just wondering if people on the list are having better experience with the new 10.11.2 over 10.11.1? I'm still on Yosemite because I had a bad experience with El Ca[pitan the first time I upgraded. So, was just wondering if the new update is more stable etc? Thanks, Jeff -- The following

Re: OSX 10.11.2

2015-12-09 Thread Denise Barajas
Hi, I never had any problems since upgrading. The only locational issue I had was with voiceover crashing and sometimes I had issues deleting a message immediately after reading which in turn, what force me to close the message and have to delete it that way. Other than that, I never found any

Re: OSX 10.11.2

2015-12-09 Thread Raymond Foret Jr
Well, truth to tell, I think my story may be the most dramatic. Don't let it scare you though. I was testing the public beta for L Capitan and had crash after crash. At last, I tried to do a reinstall. No go. A sighted Apple tech support advisor was able to verify the issue. I had to

Re: Latest iOS Update - Telling the time Bug

2015-12-09 Thread Scott Granados
Same here, the bug seemed fixed in 9.2 > On Dec 8, 2015, at 10:19 PM, E.T. wrote: > > I have not seen this bug at all since updating to 9.2 earlier. It was very > evident in 9.1 but now, every time I press the home button or wake the phone, > I get the time. > >

Re: OSX 10.11.2

2015-12-09 Thread Kaare Dehard
Not particularly, the cutting out issues still exist for me and the build has only gotten marginally better but not worth the hype. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:48 AM, jeff `greene wrote: > > Hi, Just wondering if people on the list are having better experience > with the new

Re: OSX 10.11.2

2015-12-09 Thread jeff `greene
Hi, Thanks for everybodies responses! I was thinking of upgrading this time because I downloaded the combo updater instead of using the app store link. I've got a carbon copy cloaner backup of yosemite so myabe I'll give it a try. The first time I updated mail acted really strange and half of my

Re: VoiceOver on/off

2015-12-09 Thread E.T.
I had to enable built in trackpad to get speech back on since I have an external trackpad which was not in use. Strange. I may create that shortcut in case it happens again. Thanks. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What

Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
Guys, This isn't really a big deal per sé, but it does have me a little bit curious. I have a white polycarbon mid 2010 13 inch macbook, which has El Capitan. For some reason, my mac got really really sluggish, and was practically locking up every second I'd turn my head. I ran all the

Re: Latest iOS Update - Telling the time Bug

2015-12-09 Thread Mike Arrigo
I stand corrected, it does speak the time when you press the home button, though it's a bit more delayed than it used to be I think. Original message: The bug is still there, so you have to press the home button and swipe right or left to get the time. On Dec 8, 2015, at 5:06 PM, David

Re: OSX 10.11.2

2015-12-09 Thread Raymond Foret Jr
Well, Jeff, you will be delighted to know that when you upgrade, you will NOT have to change your preview pain settings in Mail as was always the case before now. You wil recall, I'm sure, that every time we upgraded from one OS to another, thoughs of us who wanted to turn off the preview pain

Re: OSX 10.11.2

2015-12-09 Thread jeff `greene
Hi Ray, Thanks for the input! I'll let you all know how it went tomorrow. Jeff On 12/9/15, Raymond Foret Jr wrote: > Well, Jeff, you will be delighted to know that when you upgrade, you will > NOT have to change your preview pain settings in Mail as was always the case >

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread John Panarese
Like I said, it could have been a few different things or could have simply required waiting a bit to try to check for updates. The important thing is you are up and running with 10.11.2. As for the manual download, you can get any software from the Apple.com website from the support

Re: Latest iOS Update - Telling the time Bug

2015-12-09 Thread Alex Hall
I've given it quite a while, and it will sometimes not say anything. You gotta love random bugs! I'm on a 6s Plus, if that matters. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:52, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > I stand corrected, it does speak the time when you press the home button, > though it's a

Re: Latest iOS Update - Telling the time Bug

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
Actually, for what it's worth, I am finding that the bug seems to no longer exist on my end. Believe me. Having that feature back is very welcomed! Chris. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > > I've given it quite a while, and it will sometimes not say

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
You wrote: The important thing is you are up and running with 10.11.2. Agree with ya there. :) Chris. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:57 AM, John Panarese wrote: > > The important thing is you are up and running with 10.11.2. -- The following information is important for all

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Singing Sparrow
how big is the manuall updater for the latest version of oSX? On 12/9/2015 11:57 AM, John Panarese wrote: Like I said, it could have been a few different things or could have simply required waiting a bit to try to check for updates. The important thing is you are up and running with

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
Let me clarify what I meant by "Manual update." All I did was to search the mac app store manually from the toolbar for El Capitan, find it in the search results, and then manually click on install rather than letting Software Update find it for me. Nevertheless, it's about 5 or 6 gigs, give

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Singing Sparrow
the updater, for the OSX version i am looking for this will allow to do a full instll of the latest version of osx as well? or is it just going to be the updater for to update to that version? On 12/9/2015 11:57 AM, John Panarese wrote: Like I said, it could have been a few different

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread John Panarese
I’m assuming you had already gotten up and running with 10.11.1 before you tried the update? I probably would have signed out of the Mac App store, rebooted the system and then signed back into the store just to see what would occur. There are a couple of factors, but that would depend on

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
John, I definitely only have one Apple ID, and it was already signed in. that said however, I did sign out and back in. I don't recall if I rebooted or not, though with my level of tech skill, it wouldn't surprise me if I did. Chris. - Original Message - From: "John Panarese"

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Singing Sparrow
how did you do the manual download of the OSX installer? how do you do this Please give steps as to how to do this? On 12/9/2015 11:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: John, I definitely only have one Apple ID, and it was already signed in. that said however, I did sign out and back in.

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
See my previous message. If you need help, let me know. Chris. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Singing Sparrow wrote: > > how did you do the manual download of the OSX installer? how do you do this > Please give steps as to how to do this? > > On 12/9/2015 11:48 AM,

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread John Panarese
Yes, it has all of the installation assets. It’s a very large file, so keep that in mind. It weighs in over 4 GB if I am not mistaken. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Singing Sparrow
how did you get the full installer? On 12/9/2015 12:12 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: Let me clarify what I meant by "Manual update." All I did was to search the mac app store manually from the toolbar for El Capitan, find it in the search results, and then manually click on install rather than

iOS 9.2 Updates to accessibility

2015-12-09 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Here is what Apple says was fixed: • Accessibility improvements ◦Fixing issues with VoiceOver when using Camera face detection ◦Adding support for VoiceOver to wake up the screen ◦Adding support for VoiceOver to invoke app switcher with 3D Touch gesture

Re: iOS 9.2 Updates to accessibility

2015-12-09 Thread Alex Hall
I saw that yesterday. Does anyone have a guess as to what "Adding support for VoiceOver to wake up the screen" means? > On Dec 9, 2015, at 13:39, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Here is what Apple says was fixed: > > • Accessibility

Odd itunes message.

2015-12-09 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! I get the following message when i try to sync my iphone 6s with Itunes on the latest el Capitan. iTunes cannot connect to Store Purchases. If you have any firewall software, make sure it has been set to allow communication on port 443. This message will be dismissed in 29 seconds. Any

can avast security keep mac from sinking with my iPhone

2015-12-09 Thread 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
hi group would like to be able to sink my phone and macbook again. am now wondering if avast could be the problem. thanks for any help max -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this

Re: Two really annoying issues with Siri and I O S 9.2.

2015-12-09 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey Chris. I can't comment on your first issue because I can't afford Apple Music at the moment due to it being the Christmas season and the only free aspect of the radio feature is Beats 1 since that entire radio feature is still not in Canada as a free service. As for Siri not identifying a

Re: Official Apple Specs

2015-12-09 Thread Singing Sparrow
how did you get the 16 gigs to be reconized? On 12/9/2015 4:06 PM, E.T. wrote: Bill, After much trial and error, I finally succeeded in getting the 16gigs to be recognized. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it

Re: Official Apple Specs

2015-12-09 Thread Singing Sparrow
what is the number for Crucial ? On 12/9/2015 4:06 PM, E.T. wrote: Bill, After much trial and error, I finally succeeded in getting the 16gigs to be recognized. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true?

Re: Apple music conspiracy.

2015-12-09 Thread Vaughn Brown
Scott, Reading your note caused me to chuckle. I am in my late twenties and still have a vinyl player, tape player, and CD player, all attached to an old amp. When I picked up my new laptop I was shocked to find no CD drive in it. To say the least I have not made the full leap yet. I am

Re: Official Apple Specs

2015-12-09 Thread E.T.
Bill, After much trial and error, I finally succeeded in getting the 16gigs to be recognized. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 12/8/2015 1:49 PM, Bill Dengler wrote: Is this a 16GB RAM kit

Re: Official Apple Specs

2015-12-09 Thread E.T.
The memory sticks have to be inserted into the connectors just so. Once inserted correctly, the Mac is happy. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 12/9/2015 2:26 PM, Singing Sparrow wrote: how did

Re: Official Apple Specs

2015-12-09 Thread E.T.
Here is the web site. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 12/9/2015 2:27 PM, Singing Sparrow wrote: what is the number for Crucial ? On 12/9/2015 4:06 PM, E.T.

Re: Apple music conspiracy.

2015-12-09 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
I was surprised to find Target carries about 50 different record players. What's up with that? You can get a USB record player for about $80 which comes in its own suitcase. Time to get all that vinyl into iTunes before it wears away. CB On 12/9/15 3:10 PM, Vaughn Brown wrote: Scott,

Re: Odd itunes message.

2015-12-09 Thread Daniel Miller
Hi, I’m getting that message as ll upon launching iTunes sometimes. I just click OK and all works as it should. Keep in mind I’m not syncing my phone or anything, since I use iCloud for everything. They might be having some sort of backend glitch or something. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 3:11 PM,

Re: Odd itunes message.

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
I got that the other day, but that was when I still was on 10.11.1. Chris. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: > > Hi, > > I’m getting that message as ll upon launching iTunes sometimes. I just click > OK and all works as it should. Keep in mind I’m not

Re: Two really annoying issues with Siri and I O S 9.2.

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
For me, it's very very helpful having it tell me what song's playing. Often, I'll have the phone connected via USB to my 5.1 surround system, and be across the room. I love being able to activate Apple Music just simply with my voice using Hey Siri. So, having it where I can say, "What is

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
John, I recall it being actually over 5, but, that's neither here nor there. BTW, will you please e-mail me off list? I have a few questions for you, but I've not learned yet on the mac ow to extract someone's e-mail address from a list message. My question wouldn't be suitable for this list

Re: adding a column of numbers

2015-12-09 Thread Phil Halton
You would create a formula in cell C4 that uses the sum function. that is, it would some up the contents of B1: b9. this formula would add the contents of cells be one through b9 displaying its value in C4. =Sum(b1:b9) Typed the above formula exactly as shown into cell number see four, or

Re: Wrong Password, can't seem to edit Network

2015-12-09 Thread joseph hudson
No, I don't think so. Because you think, that it would be somewhere under networks in order to delete. I will definitely do some digging later and figure out how to do this. As now it makes me very curious. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7...@gmail.com I device support

Re: iOS 9.2 Updates to accessibility

2015-12-09 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I’m glad the Call forwarding bug was fixed. I hope the iCloud bug has been fixed. > On 9 Dec 2015, at 18:54, Alex Hall wrote: > > I saw that yesterday. Does anyone have a guess as to what "Adding support for > VoiceOver to wake up the screen" means? >> On Dec 9, 2015, at

Att. E.T:

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
Did you ever get your issue solved with muting/unuting voiceover with the keyboard? Do you still need a hand with that? I'd be happy to help you out, if so. Just wanted to follow up, as I never heard back from you on nor off list. Chris. -- The following information is important for all

renaming a table in numbers?

2015-12-09 Thread erik burggraaf
Hi, In numbers 3.6 I am trying to rename a table. I can't find an edit box to type a table name as there was in numbers 2.3. A google search turned up this. http://help.apple.com/numbers/mac/3.2/#/tandfc7ebc28 Not very helpful. How can

Re: iOS 9.2 Updates to accessibility

2015-12-09 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
My iCloud would not back up even though it was on. So we will see if it’s fixed now. > On 9 Dec 2015, at 23:35, Chris Gilland wrote: > > ICloud bug? What bug is this? > > I will say this. I'm really really happy about them finally fixing that bug > of it not reading

bootcamp

2015-12-09 Thread jeff `greene
Hi, Well, I updated today to OS X 10.11.2. Everything seemed to go fine, and all my apps open normally, this time. But bootchamp doesn’t work to switch over to windows under bootcamp. Is there a hotkey or something to switch into windows? Thanks, Jeff -- The following information is important

Re: Official Apple Specs

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
I'm not sure if they have one. I can try to look it up for you. Have you tried looking on Crutial's web site for it? Chris. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Singing Sparrow wrote: > > what is the number for Crucial ? > > On 12/9/2015 4:06 PM, E.T. wrote: >> Bill, >>

Re: iOS 9.2 Updates to accessibility

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
ICloud bug? What bug is this? I will say this. I'm really really happy about them finally fixing that bug of it not reading the time on the lock screen. I didn't exactly think I missed it all that badly, but once the feature came back, and I noticed it was working correctly again, I forgot

Re: iOS 9.2 Updates to accessibility

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
I wonder how Voiceover wakes up the screen, and activates the app chooser? Chris. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:39 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Here is what Apple says was fixed: > > • Accessibility improvements >◦Fixing issues

mac app store

2015-12-09 Thread denise avant
Hello all, I noticed that when I go into the app store on the MAC there appears to be nothing on the screen. in fact, when i press keys, all I hear his a little ping sound. Has anyone had this problem? I have never encountered this before. -- The following information is important for all

Re: renaming a table in numbers?

2015-12-09 Thread Phil Halton
Eric, there is an apple script for this purpose that was developed by someone here on the list. Basically, it involves installing the script in a certain folder, and then turning AppleScript on in the extras menu through I believe the Script editor app. Then when in numbers and focused on the

Re: Wrong Password, can't seem to edit Network

2015-12-09 Thread Sharon Hooley
Well, do you think that deleting a service is the same as forget? I tried that, but then maybe I'm missing something. Sharon H. > On Dec 8, 2015, at 8:55 PM, joseph hudson wrote: > > I'm stuck on that one, I haven't even been able to figure how to forget the > network.

adding a column of numbers

2015-12-09 Thread Agent086b
Hi all, I have lost an earlier email telling me how to do this. I wish to ad a series of numbers in a column like B5 B6 B7 and so on. I wish the answer to show in C4. How can I do this or better how can I find this out for myself? Thanks for any advice. Max. -- The following information is

I gave up on my Apple watch.

2015-12-09 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I gave up on my Apple watch today as I was not happy with it. I don’t think the latest update did it any favours! So I gave it up and sold it. Now I wait for the next generation and I hope it will be more functional than what it was as I’d like a little more independence from the phone! I'm

Re: Apple music conspiracy.

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
Target has USB turntables? Ooo! Cool! I love vintage stuff like that! Plus, I have a few records I'd love to convert to mp3. Wonder how much these are going for, generally speaking? Do you have to get them in a store, or can you get them online, or both? I'd go look at their web site,

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Chris Gilland
As I said, I went to the app store, searched for El Capitan, then in the search results, I clicked on El Capitan, then install. Chris. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Singing Sparrow wrote: > > how did you get the full installer? > > > On 12/9/2015 12:12 PM, Chris

Re: Att. E.T:

2015-12-09 Thread E.T.
Yes Chris I posted the resolution in my reply to Anne. All is well. It was a simple matter of re-enabling the built in trackpad which is ignored when the external trackpad is on, which apparently was not on. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been

Re: mac app store

2015-12-09 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Yes, I've been experiencing this a lot in El Capitan. The way I fix it is to shut down VO and start it again. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org > On 10/12/2015, at 2:33 PM, denise avant wrote: > > Hello

Re: Att. E.T:

2015-12-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Awesome deal! Glad you got it fixed. Let me know if I can be of any more help. Chris. - Original Message - From: "E.T." To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Att. E.T: Yes Chris I posted the

Here is a Great VoiceOver iOS App for Browsing Craig's List

2015-12-09 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Everyone, I am cross-posting this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries mailing list. The other day, I was supporting a friend on her iOS device and discovered that she had downloaded this marvelous Craig's List app that just happens to work wonderfully with VoiceOver. I am going to

Re: The Reason for Facebook Chat Not Working

2015-12-09 Thread Walter Harper
is there another messages app for the mac? > On Dec 10, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > A while back people were reporting that Facebook chat via Messages stopped > working for them. I just found out that the Jabber

Re: The Reason for Facebook Chat Not Working

2015-12-09 Thread Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist)
No, the Chat API has totally been disabled. There are a few apps for Messenger on the Mac, but they are essentially just wrappers, and they load Facebook Messenger in an HTML content area. But nothing of the likes of Messages. -- Anything is possible, Brandon Olivares

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
That doesn't always work. What if the person's from address doesn't show there due to certain lists configurations, but instead shows the list address. Chris. - Original Message - From: joseph hudson To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015

The Reason for Facebook Chat Not Working

2015-12-09 Thread Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist)
Hi everyone, A while back people were reporting that Facebook chat via Messages stopped working for them. I just found out that the Jabber protocol for FB chat has been deprecated, and is being disabled. I’m not sure why it still works for me, but I know it’s not working for a lot of people,

Re: Apple music conspiracy.

2015-12-09 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
I was checking out better quality ones at Sweetwater. If you are on Target and do the rotor then arrow right to get to the form controls list then find search. From there you can put in Record Players USB to get a list. On that page pull up the list of links and type in "turn" which will give

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread Singing Sparrow
Ok, but that would only let you install it then I would like a manual installer dmg for the full version isn't there a way to get this? On 12/9/2015 6:07 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: As I said, I went to the app store, searched for El Capitan, then in the search results, I clicked on El Capitan,

Re: bootcamp

2015-12-09 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey Jeff. Have you tried holding the option key at startup then using the left and right arrow keys to select Windows? Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Dec 9,

Re: mac app store

2015-12-09 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Yes, this behaviour has been present since El Capitan first release. The way I fix this is by command+tabbing from the app and back into it, sometimes more than once. This seems to be happening while the content is loading. I get the same behaviour in itunes too when it's loading content for

Re: Strange problem with latest update

2015-12-09 Thread joseph hudson
Chris, I normally navigated the from field after hitting reply. Then once I'm at the front field, I do a shift right arrow till I get the address selected that I want to select. After the address is selected, I do command seat for coffee. Then I shift tab to the to field. And I delete the. Then

Re: mac app store

2015-12-09 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Same here, although I don't shut down Voiceover. What I do is command+tab out of the app store and then press that same command again to go back in and usually Voiceover behaves properly. Actually, this has gone on in the early stages of El Capitan. I've sent them feedback about this issue

Re: The Reason for Facebook Chat Not Working

2015-12-09 Thread Walter Harper
Lord that chat feature on the mac worked wonderful to be exact it was better then windows. Walter > On Dec 10, 2015, at 12:53 AM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) > wrote: > > No, the Chat API has totally been disabled. There are a few apps for > Messenger on the

Re: VoiceOver on/off

2015-12-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
No no. He doesn't want to totally turn off Voiceover. He's just wanting to simply mute speech. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 2:00 AM Subject: Re: VoiceOver on/off

Re: VoiceOver on/off

2015-12-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Hey there. I don't think there is one. You can definitely assign one though through keyboard, or numpad commander. If you have your trackpad commander turned on, then it's the same thing, 3 finger double tap. If you need help assigning a command to this with keyboard or numpad commander,

Re: OSX 10.11.2

2015-12-09 Thread Scott Granados
10.11.2 is very good. Mail works pretty well in my opinion, nice snap to pit, and VO seems more stable. I’d definitely do the upgrade. > On Dec 9, 2015, at 11:25 AM, jeff `greene wrote: > > Hi Ray, Thanks for the input! I'll let you all know how it went tomorrow. >

Re: OS X 10.11.2 released

2015-12-09 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Yeah i saw this but have just updated. Seems ok here to. /A > On 08 Dec 2015, at 23:42, Scott Granados wrote: > > I didn’t see any mention on list. OS X 10.11.2 has been released. My > install went perfectly smoothly and so far so good. > > Thanks > Scott > > -- >

Re: OSX 10.11.2

2015-12-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I didn't have issues with 10.11.1, nor am I thus far with 10.11.2, aside that one really weird issue I discussed on list earlier, but even that isn't so much an issue, as much as it's just bizarre. Chris. - Original Message - From: "jeff `greene" To: