Anyone else having issues with Netflix?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

So I thought Netflix recently lost a lawsuit and is supposed to be becoming 
more accessible?

I keep having problems accessing it from my Apple TV.  When I click on either 
my husband's or my profile, I'm taken to the Popular on Netflix screen, and 
there doesn't seem to be any way to access the recently viewed shows in that 
profile.  Is anyone else experiencing this?  Anyone know of a solution?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: iOS10 mail

[Gabe Griffith]

Very good. I knew there was some trick I was missing. Thank U for the quick 
response.
Gabe


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> On Oct 14, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> The previews are still there. You just have to touch three fingers on the 
> screen to have it read out. That is for single messages, not Messages in 
> expanded threads that you are flicking through. You have already discovered 
> that those are still read in the old way.
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>> Hi all,
>> I have just in the last week started using mail in iOS 10 and I have at 
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>> had selected to preview on each message. Now it will only read messages that 
>> are in conversations which I expand. I have checked my mail settings and the 
>> preview is still selected. Does anyone have any thoughts as to why the app 
>> isn't showing preview of mail messages without me opening them?
>> 
>> Thank you for any assistance. 
>> 
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Re: iOS10 mail

[Mary Otten]

The previews are still there. You just have to touch three fingers on the 
screen to have it read out. That is for single messages, not Messages in 
expanded threads that you are flicking through. You have already discovered 
that those are still read in the old way.
Mary


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> I have just in the last week started using mail in iOS 10 and I have at least 
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> selected to preview on each message. Now it will only read messages that are 
> in conversations which I expand. I have checked my mail settings and the 
> preview is still selected. Does anyone have any thoughts as to why the app 
> isn't showing preview of mail messages without me opening them?
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iOS10 mail

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi all,
I have just in the last week started using mail in iOS 10 and I have at least 
one question. The Mail app used to show me the number of lines that I had 
selected to preview on each message. Now it will only read messages that are in 
conversations which I expand. I have checked my mail settings and the preview 
is still selected. Does anyone have any thoughts as to why the app isn't 
showing preview of mail messages without me opening them?

Thank you for any assistance. 

Sent from Gabe's iPhone

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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm not aware of a keyboard equivalent, no. This is why I say, Apple didn't 
really think this one out that well, in my personal opinion, at least.  Sure, 
there is mapping a keyboard commander, which is what I did, but, still...
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandt Steenkamp 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances


  Hi there,


  We all know about the 3 finger double tap on the track pad for muting speech, 
is there a similar command for the keyboard? Some Braille displays such as the 
PacMate 20 and 40 cell models does not have a keyboard, so the Mac keyboard 
will have to do for some.


  Am personally waiting for the Orbit Reader 20 to become available. That does 
have a keyboard.


  Warm regards,


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On 14 Oct 2016, at 11:30 PM, Matthew Dierckens  
wrote:


The keyboard commander he that you suggested is just one that I had made 
when I gave you my voiceover preferences, but you can also press space with M 
to mute and unmute speech



God bless.
Matt Dierckens,
Certified assistive technology specialist
Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainor
Canadian phone: 519-962-9140
US phone: 573-401-1018



On Oct 14, 2016, at 17:20, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:


  Hi, 
  For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while 
reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on with VO 
shift K and pressing right option d? 
  Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a 
BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going on, 
but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be awesome.
  HTH,
  Aleeha 

On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland  
wrote:



Guys,



I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El 
Capitan.



I have a few questions, please.



First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 
braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text Edit, 
Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though contracted braille 
is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the cursor is getting 
expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the Voiceover utility under the 
Braille category and automatic translation is unchecked. That’s the only thing 
I can thing that would control this behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. 
Is there a way to turn that off, so it contracts regardless?



Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!



When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html 
element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html 
content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is 
concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change that.  
This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the display.  
Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary 
display, or I’m using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find that 
as soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item and moves to 
the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading that next item. I know 
it’s simply doing that because of the fact I transitioned from the previous 
item to another item. The issue is, it really is very distracting when I’m in 
the heat of reading a really good article. Then, I have to take my hands off 
the display, hit the control key on the keyboard to shut up Alex, then go back 
to the display, and continue. It really really breaks the flow of things. I 
don’t mind Voiceover doing this normally, but there are times I’d rather be 
able to pan, and even if I leave one item and move to another, I’d rather it 
reflect that on the display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m 
doing is panning.  It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to complete, 
so say on my 20 cell display, an item is over 20 characters. If I pan past the 
20th cell to the 21st cell of the item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end 
of the item, then try moving to the next item there after that this problem is 
occuring.



The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my display.  
I don’t understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue.  For some b 
izarre reason, my routing keys are not working at all on my Alva Satelite Pro 
584.  It’s the most 

Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Uh, no offense. That doesn't work in my case. The Alva doesn't have a braille 
input keyboard, so I can't do an M chord as you suggest.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Matthew Dierckens 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:30 PM
  Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances


  The keyboard commander he that you suggested is just one that I had made when 
I gave you my voiceover preferences, but you can also press space with M to 
mute and unmute speech



  God bless.
  Matt Dierckens,
  Certified assistive technology specialist
  Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainor
  Canadian phone: 519-962-9140
  US phone: 573-401-1018



  On Oct 14, 2016, at 17:20, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:


Hi, 
For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while 
reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on with VO 
shift K and pressing right option d? 
Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a 
BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going on, 
but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be awesome.
HTH,
Aleeha 

  On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:



  Guys,



  I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El 
Capitan.



  I have a few questions, please.



  First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 
braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text Edit, 
Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though contracted braille 
is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the cursor is getting 
expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the Voiceover utility under the 
Braille category and automatic translation is unchecked. That’s the only thing 
I can thing that would control this behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. 
Is there a way to turn that off, so it contracts regardless?



  Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!



  When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html 
element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html 
content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is 
concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change that.  
This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the display.  
Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary 
display, or I’m using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find that 
as soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item and moves to 
the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading that next item. I know 
it’s simply doing that because of the fact I transitioned from the previous 
item to another item. The issue is, it really is very distracting when I’m in 
the heat of reading a really good article. Then, I have to take my hands off 
the display, hit the control key on the keyboard to shut up Alex, then go back 
to the display, and continue. It really really breaks the flow of things. I 
don’t mind Voiceover doing this normally, but there are times I’d rather be 
able to pan, and even if I leave one item and move to another, I’d rather it 
reflect that on the display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m 
doing is panning.  It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to complete, 
so say on my 20 cell display, an item is over 20 characters. If I pan past the 
20th cell to the 21st cell of the item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end 
of the item, then try moving to the next item there after that this problem is 
occuring.



  The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my display.  I 
don’t understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue.  For some b izarre 
reason, my routing keys are not working at all on my Alva Satelite Pro 584.  
It’s the most weirdest thing!  My PM20 display works fine.  Another friend of 
mine who also owns an Alva Satelite tried to reproduce the problem, and he can 
as well.  So clearly, something’s either broken or not set by default.  I 
didn’t think the routing keys had to be set.



  So, say I’m editting a document, and I find a typo. I should be able to 
press the router butting directly above the error to move my insertion point to 
that character and fix the mistake. I can’t. When I try, it just dings at me.  
This is both again on Sierra, as well as on El Capitan. It works, as I said 
with my PM display, just not with the Alva.  I’ve tried both the top, and the 
bottom row of routing keys to no avale.  I don’t think these need to be mapped, 
as with the PM display plugged in, I went to the VO Utility/Braille, then on 
the braille display tab, 

Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That's exactly what I did. I set up a commander to mute Speech. I really 
wonder why they didn't natively give us a command to do this aside from the 
trackpad commander. What if you're like me, and don't have a track/touch 
pad? I really don't think Apple thought that one through the greatest. LOL!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances


Hi,
For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while 
reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on with 
VO shift K and pressing right option d?
Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a 
BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going on, 
but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be awesome.

HTH,
Aleeha

On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:

Guys,

I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El 
Capitan.


I have a few questions, please.

First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 
braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text 
Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though 
contracted braille is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the 
cursor is getting expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the 
Voiceover utility under the Braille category and automatic translation is 
unchecked. That’s the only thing I can thing that would control this 
behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. Is there a way to turn that off, 
so it contracts regardless?


Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!

When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html 
element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html 
content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is 
concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change 
that.  This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the 
display.  Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is 
my primary display, or I’m using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the 
go, I find that as soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves 
one item and moves to the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, 
reading that next item. I know it’s simply doing that because of the fact 
I transitioned from the previous item to another item. The issue is, it 
really is very distracting when I’m in the heat of reading a really good 
article. Then, I have to take my hands off the display, hit the control 
key on the keyboard to shut up Alex, then go back to the display, and 
continue. It really really breaks the flow of things. I don’t mind 
Voiceover doing this normally, but there are times I’d rather be able to 
pan, and even if I leave one item and move to another, I’d rather it 
reflect that on the display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m 
doing is panning.  It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to 
complete, so say on my 20 cell display, an item is over 20 characters. If 
I pan past the 20th cell to the 21st cell of the item, that is fine. It’s 
when I reach the end of the item, then try moving to the next item there 
after that this problem is occuring.


The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my display.  I 
don’t understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue.  For some b 
izarre reason, my routing keys are not working at all on my Alva Satelite 
Pro 584.  It’s the most weirdest thing!  My PM20 display works fine. 
Another friend of mine who also owns an Alva Satelite tried to reproduce 
the problem, and he can as well.  So clearly, something’s either broken or 
not set by default.  I didn’t think the routing keys had to be set.


So, say I’m editting a document, and I find a typo. I should be able to 
press the router butting directly above the error to move my insertion 
point to that character and fix the mistake. I can’t. When I try, it just 
dings at me.  This is both again on Sierra, as well as on El Capitan. It 
works, as I said with my PM display, just not with the Alva.  I’ve tried 
both the top, and the bottom row of routing keys to no avale.  I don’t 
think these need to be mapped, as with the PM display plugged in, I went 
to the VO Utility/Braille, then on the braille display tab, under Assign 
commands, I don’t see those keys individually mapped.  On the PM display, 
they just work.  So I don’t think this is a mapping issue.


When I go into the setup within the actual firmware itself of the Alva 
display, the routing keys are not disabled.  So, yeah… I’m totally 
stumped.


I should add that on the Windows side of 

Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I don't believe that there is a set command, but you can certainly set up your 
own in the Keyboard Commander.  I did just for fun a few minutes ago.  I chose 
the 0 (zero) key.  So, in the VO Utility, under Commanders in the Keyboard 
Commander, press on the Add button.  Enter the key of your choice, then 
VO-right to the menu, down to Audio and select the VoiceOver Mute Toggle.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 14, 2016, at 15:36, Brandt Steenkamp  wrote:

Hi there,

We all know about the 3 finger double tap on the track pad for muting speech, 
is there a similar command for the keyboard? Some Braille displays such as the 
PacMate 20 and 40 cell models does not have a keyboard, so the Mac keyboard 
will have to do for some.

Am personally waiting for the Orbit Reader 20 to become available. That does 
have a keyboard.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
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For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com 

Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp 
> On 14 Oct 2016, at 11:30 PM, Matthew Dierckens  > wrote:
> 
> The keyboard commander he that you suggested is just one that I had made when 
> I gave you my voiceover preferences, but you can also press space with M to 
> mute and unmute speech
> 
> 
> God bless.
> Matt Dierckens,
> Certified assistive technology specialist
> Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainor
> Canadian phone: 519-962-9140
> US phone: 573-401-1018
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 17:20, Aleeha Dudley  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi, 
>> For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while 
>> reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on with 
>> VO shift K and pressing right option d? 
>> Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a 
>> BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going on, 
>> but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be awesome.
>> HTH,
>> Aleeha 
>>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El 
>>> Capitan.
>>> 
>>> I have a few questions, please.
>>> 
>>> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 
>>> braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text 
>>> Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though 
>>> contracted braille is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the 
>>> cursor is getting expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the 
>>> Voiceover utility under the Braille category and automatic translation is 
>>> unchecked. That’s the only thing I can thing that would control this 
>>> behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. Is there a way to turn that off, 
>>> so it contracts regardless?
>>> 
>>> Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!
>>> 
>>> When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html 
>>> element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html 
>>> content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is 
>>> concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change that. 
>>>  This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the display. 
>>>  Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary 
>>> display, or I’m using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find 
>>> that as soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item and 
>>> moves to the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading that next 
>>> item. I know it’s simply doing that because of the fact I transitioned from 
>>> the previous item to another item. The issue is, it really is very 
>>> distracting when I’m in the heat of reading a really good article. Then, I 
>>> have to take my hands off the display, hit the control key on the keyboard 
>>> to shut up Alex, then go back to the display, and continue. It really 
>>> really breaks the flow of things. I don’t mind Voiceover doing this 
>>> normally, but there are times I’d rather be able to pan, and even if I 
>>> leave one item and move to another, I’d rather it reflect that on the 
>>> display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m doing is panning.  
>>> It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to complete, so say on my 20 
>>> cell display, an item is over 20 characters. If I pan past the 20th cell to 
>>> the 21st cell of the item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end of the 
>>> item, then try moving to the next item there after that this problem is 
>>> occuring.
>>> 
>>> The final 

Assistance needed with LastPass password manager

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Hello,

I’m wondering if any one has experience with using LastPass on the Mac or 
iPhone. I’m a new user and am curious about getting started, and accessibility 
issues with VoiceOver and this service.

Feel free to email me off list if you wish.
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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi there,

We all know about the 3 finger double tap on the track pad for muting speech, 
is there a similar command for the keyboard? Some Braille displays such as the 
PacMate 20 and 40 cell models does not have a keyboard, so the Mac keyboard 
will have to do for some.

Am personally waiting for the Orbit Reader 20 to become available. That does 
have a keyboard.

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> On 14 Oct 2016, at 11:30 PM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> The keyboard commander he that you suggested is just one that I had made when 
> I gave you my voiceover preferences, but you can also press space with M to 
> mute and unmute speech
> 
> 
> God bless.
> Matt Dierckens,
> Certified assistive technology specialist
> Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainor
> Canadian phone: 519-962-9140
> US phone: 573-401-1018
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 17:20, Aleeha Dudley  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi, 
>> For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while 
>> reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on with 
>> VO shift K and pressing right option d? 
>> Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a 
>> BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going on, 
>> but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be awesome.
>> HTH,
>> Aleeha 
>>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El 
>>> Capitan.
>>> 
>>> I have a few questions, please.
>>> 
>>> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 
>>> braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text 
>>> Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though 
>>> contracted braille is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the 
>>> cursor is getting expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the 
>>> Voiceover utility under the Braille category and automatic translation is 
>>> unchecked. That’s the only thing I can thing that would control this 
>>> behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. Is there a way to turn that off, 
>>> so it contracts regardless?
>>> 
>>> Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!
>>> 
>>> When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html 
>>> element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html 
>>> content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is 
>>> concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change that. 
>>>  This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the display. 
>>>  Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary 
>>> display, or I’m using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find 
>>> that as soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item and 
>>> moves to the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading that next 
>>> item. I know it’s simply doing that because of the fact I transitioned from 
>>> the previous item to another item. The issue is, it really is very 
>>> distracting when I’m in the heat of reading a really good article. Then, I 
>>> have to take my hands off the display, hit the control key on the keyboard 
>>> to shut up Alex, then go back to the display, and continue. It really 
>>> really breaks the flow of things. I don’t mind Voiceover doing this 
>>> normally, but there are times I’d rather be able to pan, and even if I 
>>> leave one item and move to another, I’d rather it reflect that on the 
>>> display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m doing is panning.  
>>> It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to complete, so say on my 20 
>>> cell display, an item is over 20 characters. If I pan past the 20th cell to 
>>> the 21st cell of the item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end of the 
>>> item, then try moving to the next item there after that this problem is 
>>> occuring.
>>> 
>>> The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my display.  I 
>>> don’t understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue.  For some b 
>>> izarre reason, my routing keys are not working at all on my Alva Satelite 
>>> Pro 584.  It’s the most weirdest thing!  My PM20 display works fine.  
>>> Another friend of mine who also owns an Alva Satelite tried to reproduce 
>>> the problem, and he can as well.  So clearly, something’s either broken or 
>>> not set by default.  I didn’t think the routing keys had to be set.
>>> 
>>> So, say I’m editting a 

Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Matthew Dierckens]

The keyboard commander he that you suggested is just one that I had made when I 
gave you my voiceover preferences, but you can also press space with M to mute 
and unmute speech


God bless.
Matt Dierckens,
Certified assistive technology specialist
Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainor
Canadian phone: 519-962-9140
US phone: 573-401-1018


> On Oct 14, 2016, at 17:20, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while 
> reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on with VO 
> shift K and pressing right option d? 
> Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a 
> BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going on, 
> but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be awesome.
> HTH,
> Aleeha 
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El 
>> Capitan.
>> 
>> I have a few questions, please.
>> 
>> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 braille. 
>>  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text Edit, Pages, 
>> Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though contracted braille is 
>> enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the cursor is getting 
>> expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the Voiceover utility under the 
>> Braille category and automatic translation is unchecked. That’s the only 
>> thing I can thing that would control this behavior. Regardless, that isn’t 
>> working. Is there a way to turn that off, so it contracts regardless?
>> 
>> Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!
>> 
>> When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html 
>> element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html 
>> content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is 
>> concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change that.  
>> This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the display.  
>> Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary 
>> display, or I’m using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find 
>> that as soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item and 
>> moves to the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading that next 
>> item. I know it’s simply doing that because of the fact I transitioned from 
>> the previous item to another item. The issue is, it really is very 
>> distracting when I’m in the heat of reading a really good article. Then, I 
>> have to take my hands off the display, hit the control key on the keyboard 
>> to shut up Alex, then go back to the display, and continue. It really really 
>> breaks the flow of things. I don’t mind Voiceover doing this normally, but 
>> there are times I’d rather be able to pan, and even if I leave one item and 
>> move to another, I’d rather it reflect that on the display, yes, but 
>> Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m doing is panning.  It’s fine if one 
>> item takes more than one pan to complete, so say on my 20 cell display, an 
>> item is over 20 characters. If I pan past the 20th cell to the 21st cell of 
>> the item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end of the item, then try 
>> moving to the next item there after that this problem is occuring.
>> 
>> The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my display.  I 
>> don’t understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue.  For some b 
>> izarre reason, my routing keys are not working at all on my Alva Satelite 
>> Pro 584.  It’s the most weirdest thing!  My PM20 display works fine.  
>> Another friend of mine who also owns an Alva Satelite tried to reproduce the 
>> problem, and he can as well.  So clearly, something’s either broken or not 
>> set by default.  I didn’t think the routing keys had to be set.
>> 
>> So, say I’m editting a document, and I find a typo. I should be able to 
>> press the router butting directly above the error to move my insertion point 
>> to that character and fix the mistake. I can’t. When I try, it just dings at 
>> me.  This is both again on Sierra, as well as on El Capitan. It works, as I 
>> said with my PM display, just not with the Alva.  I’ve tried both the top, 
>> and the bottom row of routing keys to no avale.  I don’t think these need to 
>> be mapped, as with the PM display plugged in, I went to the VO 
>> Utility/Braille, then on the braille display tab, under Assign commands, I 
>> don’t see those keys individually mapped.  On the PM display, they just 
>> work.  So I don’t think this is a mapping issue.
>> 
>> When I go into the setup within the actual firmware itself of the Alva 
>> display, the routing keys are not disabled.  So, yeah… I’m totally stumped.
>> 
>> I should add that on the Windows 

Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while 
reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on with VO 
shift K and pressing right option d? 
Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a 
BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going on, 
but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be awesome.
HTH,
Aleeha 
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El 
> Capitan.
> 
> I have a few questions, please.
> 
> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 braille.  
> I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text Edit, Pages, 
> Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though contracted braille is 
> enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the cursor is getting 
> expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the Voiceover utility under the 
> Braille category and automatic translation is unchecked. That’s the only 
> thing I can thing that would control this behavior. Regardless, that isn’t 
> working. Is there a way to turn that off, so it contracts regardless?
> 
> Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!
> 
> When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html 
> element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html 
> content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is 
> concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change that.  
> This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the display.  
> Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary 
> display, or I’m using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find that 
> as soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item and moves to 
> the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading that next item. I know 
> it’s simply doing that because of the fact I transitioned from the previous 
> item to another item. The issue is, it really is very distracting when I’m in 
> the heat of reading a really good article. Then, I have to take my hands off 
> the display, hit the control key on the keyboard to shut up Alex, then go 
> back to the display, and continue. It really really breaks the flow of 
> things. I don’t mind Voiceover doing this normally, but there are times I’d 
> rather be able to pan, and even if I leave one item and move to another, I’d 
> rather it reflect that on the display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, 
> if all I’m doing is panning.  It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan 
> to complete, so say on my 20 cell display, an item is over 20 characters. If 
> I pan past the 20th cell to the 21st cell of the item, that is fine. It’s 
> when I reach the end of the item, then try moving to the next item there 
> after that this problem is occuring.
> 
> The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my display.  I 
> don’t understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue.  For some b 
> izarre reason, my routing keys are not working at all on my Alva Satelite Pro 
> 584.  It’s the most weirdest thing!  My PM20 display works fine.  Another 
> friend of mine who also owns an Alva Satelite tried to reproduce the problem, 
> and he can as well.  So clearly, something’s either broken or not set by 
> default.  I didn’t think the routing keys had to be set.
> 
> So, say I’m editting a document, and I find a typo. I should be able to press 
> the router butting directly above the error to move my insertion point to 
> that character and fix the mistake. I can’t. When I try, it just dings at me. 
>  This is both again on Sierra, as well as on El Capitan. It works, as I said 
> with my PM display, just not with the Alva.  I’ve tried both the top, and the 
> bottom row of routing keys to no avale.  I don’t think these need to be 
> mapped, as with the PM display plugged in, I went to the VO Utility/Braille, 
> then on the braille display tab, under Assign commands, I don’t see those 
> keys individually mapped.  On the PM display, they just work.  So I don’t 
> think this is a mapping issue.
> 
> When I go into the setup within the actual firmware itself of the Alva 
> display, the routing keys are not disabled.  So, yeah… I’m totally stumped.
> 
> I should add that on the Windows side of things on my Win XP machine with 
> JAWS 15, the routing keys work perfectly, so it’s definitely not a hardware 
> malfuntion.
> 
> Any help with these things would be appreciated. I suppose I could call 
> Accessibility, but the last time I did and asked them about anything braille 
> related, they didn’t have the slightest clue, and normally haven’t other 
> times as well that I called about braille. I guess they just are not trained 
> on anything braille related, which is a bloody crying 

Braille Navigation annoyances

[Chris Gilland]

Guys,

I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El Capitan.

I have a few questions, please.

First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 braille.  
I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text Edit, Pages, Mail, 
wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though contracted braille is enabled, 
I’m finding that the current word under the cursor is getting expanded to 
computer braille. I’ve looked in the Voiceover utility under the Braille 
category and automatic translation is unchecked. That’s the only thing I can 
thing that would control this behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. Is 
there a way to turn that off, so it contracts regardless?

Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!

When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html element, 
like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html content area, 
Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is concerned. I’m using 
DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change that.  This is absolutely 
fine, but the problem lies in panning with the display.  Regardless if I’m 
using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary display, or I’m using 
my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find that as soon as I pan the 
display to the right and it leaves one item and moves to the next, Voiceover 
starts audibly, with Alex, reading that next item. I know it’s simply doing 
that because of the fact I transitioned from the previous item to another item. 
The issue is, it really is very distracting when I’m in the heat of reading a 
really good article. Then, I have to take my hands off the display, hit the 
control key on the keyboard to shut up Alex, then go back to the display, and 
continue. It really really breaks the flow of things. I don’t mind Voiceover 
doing this normally, but there are times I’d rather be able to pan, and even if 
I leave one item and move to another, I’d rather it reflect that on the 
display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m doing is panning.  
It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to complete, so say on my 20 cell 
display, an item is over 20 characters. If I pan past the 20th cell to the 21st 
cell of the item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end of the item, then try 
moving to the next item there after that this problem is occuring.

The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my display.  I don’t 
understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue.  For some b izarre 
reason, my routing keys are not working at all on my Alva Satelite Pro 584.  
It’s the most weirdest thing!  My PM20 display works fine.  Another friend of 
mine who also owns an Alva Satelite tried to reproduce the problem, and he can 
as well.  So clearly, something’s either broken or not set by default.  I 
didn’t think the routing keys had to be set.

So, say I’m editting a document, and I find a typo. I should be able to press 
the router butting directly above the error to move my insertion point to that 
character and fix the mistake. I can’t. When I try, it just dings at me.  This 
is both again on Sierra, as well as on El Capitan. It works, as I said with my 
PM display, just not with the Alva.  I’ve tried both the top, and the bottom 
row of routing keys to no avale.  I don’t think these need to be mapped, as 
with the PM display plugged in, I went to the VO Utility/Braille, then on the 
braille display tab, under Assign commands, I don’t see those keys individually 
mapped.  On the PM display, they just work.  So I don’t think this is a mapping 
issue.

When I go into the setup within the actual firmware itself of the Alva display, 
the routing keys are not disabled.  So, yeah… I’m totally stumped.

I should add that on the Windows side of things on my Win XP machine with JAWS 
15, the routing keys work perfectly, so it’s definitely not a hardware 
malfuntion.

Any help with these things would be appreciated. I suppose I could call 
Accessibility, but the last time I did and asked them about anything braille 
related, they didn’t have the slightest clue, and normally haven’t other times 
as well that I called about braille. I guess they just are not trained on 
anything braille related, which is a bloody crying shame!

Anyway, can anyone help with these things?

Chris.

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Re: Downloading voices in Sierra

[Scott Granados]

Phil, it depends on how many voices you’re pulling down.  I’ve seen this take 
from 30 seconds on the fast side to over an hour on the slow.  I would wait a 
while longer and see if you get anywhere.

I’m also assuming your downloading these over a normal provider and not 
cellular service.  Some services limit the size of downloads.

> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I've set several voices to download in the voice over utilities, but they 
> seem to be stuck in the "waiting to download"status. Is it normal for them to 
> be in the hold status for an hour or more? I have my MacBook air on power 
> with Wi-Fi connected.
> 
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Re: Downloading voices in Sierra

[Chris Gilland]

Hey there Phil.

So, yes… I definitely have seen this take over an hour. It’s rare, but I’ve 
actually seen it take up to a couple of hours. That said, the waiting to 
download shouldn’t take that long.

Chris.
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I've set several voices to download in the voice over utilities, but they 
> seem to be stuck in the "waiting to download"status. Is it normal for them to 
> be in the hold status for an hour or more? I have my MacBook air on power 
> with Wi-Fi connected.
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Downloading voices in Sierra

[Phil Halton]

I've set several voices to download in the voice over utilities, but they seem 
to be stuck in the "waiting to download"status. Is it normal for them to be in 
the hold status for an hour or more? I have my MacBook air on power with Wi-Fi 
connected.


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Re: consistently selecting emoji

[christopher hallsworth]

I have the same problem and think it was reported as a bug some place, probably 
Applevis. Please let
accessibil...@apple.com
know.


> On 14 Oct 2016, at 03:43, aliFaisal  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> I have found that the emoji selector in messages and elsewhere are no longer 
> working consistently like it did in previous operating systems. When I select 
> the category I want IE people and smily, I can interact with the group. 
> However, the actual emoji are only sometimes there. Other times, it keeps 
> saying content is empty. I tried interacting with the selected group, and 
> even tried pressing VO space on it to insure it is selected but still nothing.
> Is there a consistent way to select emoji and inserting them into various 
> text fields?
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