Re: Speed test comparison between Google Pixel and iPhone 7+

[Scott Granados]

I’m not sure the phone is built to work anywhere in the world.  Verizon is the 
only US carrier that sells it in their stores but places like Best Buy in the 
US carry it.  I think it’s for global consumption.

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> I didn’t think google were releasing that phone to the world markets?
> I thought it was only available from the play store in the USA?
>  
> Or am I thinking of another google device!
>  
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> If it were Google Assistant against Siri - we know who would win
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Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Scott Granados]

Anders, I would assume they charge using the USBC port.  THere’s a sub section 
of that spec that includes power.


> On Oct 22, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> If they remove the magsafe adaptor what will then be around instead?
> Thats one thing i don’t get.
> The removal of the function keys may not be so good but that depends on how 
> the accessibility team resolves this.
> /A
>> On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:03, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to discuss. 
>>  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the laptops including 
>> the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook taking the place of the 
>> 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the MacBook air 13, and changes 
>> to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the source has a hit and miss record 
>> with rumors, it does indicate that it matches other reports from more 
>> reliable sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be interested in comments, 
>> I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
>>  The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
>> keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included is 
>> USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a little 
>> bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just because) and 
>> the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
>> What do you all think?
>> 
>> Read more here.
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
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Re: Mirai-based DDoS attack highlights benefits of Apple's secure HomeKit platform

[Scott Granados]

Now that’s interesting.  That’s a pretty heavy duty technical article but it 
makes me wonder about some of these home devices.  I never looked in to the 
home kit stuff that much.  I’m a lot more likely to now knowing that level of 
security is involved.  With advanced features like that I can see why the 
Government hates Apple.:)  A 3072 bit key is 3 times the required bits for 
military cyphers.  You could probably get DOD certification on a system like 
that.  Wow!

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Really worth considering before you get less secure iot devices.
> 
> Mirai-based DDoS attack highlights benefits of Apple's secure HomeKit platform
> AppleInsider
> 
>  A distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack that on Friday severely 
> impacted internet access for many U.S. web denizens was found to be in part 
> enabled by a botnet targeting unprotected "Internet of Things" devices. For 
> Apple, the revelation vindicates a controversial walled garden approach to 
> IoT, borne out through the encryption HomeKit protocol.
> 
>  
> 
> As detailed yesterday, unknown hackers set their sights 
> 
>  on Dyn, an internet management company that provides DNS services to many 
> major web entities.
> 
> A series of repeated attacks caused websites including The Verge, Imgur and 
> Reddit, as well as services like HBO Now, and PayPal, to see slowdowns and 
> extended downtimes. Follow-up waves played havoc with The New York Times, 
> CNN, Netflix, Twitter and the PlayStation Network, among many others.
> 
> Though Dyn was initially unable to nail down a source, subsequent information 
> published by security research firm Flashpoint revealed the targeted attacks 
> involved a strain 
> 
>  of the Mirai malware, reports Brian Krebs. Krebs has firsthand experience 
> with Mirai, as the malware was deployed in a DDoS attack that brought down 
> his website, KrebsOnSecurity, in September.
> 
> Mirai searches the web for IoT devices set up with default admin username and 
> password combinations, Krebs says. Once discovered, the malware infiltrates 
> and uses poorly protected hardware to facilitate a DDoS attack on an online 
> entity, in this case Dyn.
> 
> Poor security practices are nothing new. Uninitiated or lazy end users have 
> for decades left factory default settings untouched on routers, networked 
> printers and other potential intrusion vectors. But this is different.
> 
> DVRs and IP cameras made by Chinese company XiongMai Technologies, as well as 
> other connected gadgets currently flooding the market, contain a grievous 
> security vulnerability and are in large part responsible for hosting the 
> botnet.According to Krebs, DVRs and IP cameras made by Chinese company 
> XiongMai Technologies, as well as other connected gadgets currently flooding 
> the market, contain a grievous security vulnerability and are in large part 
> responsible for hosting the botnet. As he explains, a portion of these 
> devices can be reached via Telnet and SSH even after a user changes the 
> default username and password.
> 
> "The issue with these particular devices is that a user cannot feasibly 
> change this password," said Zach Wikholm, research developer at Flashpoint. 
> "The password is hardcoded into the firmware, and the tools necessary to 
> disable it are not present. Even worse, the web interface is not aware that 
> these credentials even exist."
> 
> To prevent another Mirai attack, or a similar assault harnessing IoT 
> hardware, offending devices might require a recall, Krebs says. Short of a 
> that, unplugging an affected product is an effective stopgap.
> 
> By contrast, Apple's HomeKit features built-in end-to-end encryption, 
> protected wireless chip 
> 
>  standards, remote access obfuscation and other security measures designed to 
> thwart hacks. Needless to say, it would be relatively difficult to turn a 
> HomeKit MFi device in a DDoS zombie.
> 
> Announced in 2014 alongside iOS 8, HomeKit debuted as a secure framework 
> 
>  onto which manufacturers of smart home products can build. Specifically, the 
> system uses iOS and iCloud infrastructure to securely synchronize data 
> between host devices and accessories.
> 
> Apple details HomeKit protections in a security document posted to its 
> website (PDF link 
> ), saying the 
> system is based on public-private key pairs.
> 
> First, key pairs are generated on an iOS device and assigned to each HomeKit 
> user. 

Re: Answering calls on Skype?

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi Chris, yes whenever you check the auto answer checkbox, it will 
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> On Oct 22, 2016, at 1:37 PM, christopher hallsworth  
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> Cheers! So, if I check the automatic answer checkbox, will it, like, answer 
> straight away? Not like what a typical answering machine will do?
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 19:15, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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>> Hello Chris.
>> 
>> There are two ways of answering on Skype,  in your preferences, you can get 
>> Skype to answer your calls automatically.  Other wise, I just vo right arrow 
>> twice to the answer call button and press vo space.  If there is another 
>> way, please would someone say so.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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>>> How does one answer calls on Skype? Any responses greatly appreciated. 
>>> Cheers!
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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Anders,

Thanks for the offer, that was very kind.  I don't have Chrome installed, but I 
was able to get with the person who posted the video and got the info I was 
after.  

Thanks for the offer, though, I really appreciate it!
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 22, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Do you happen to have google chrome installed Donna?
> If not i can take a look at the video with chrome on my mac if you want to to 
> see if it works.
> /A
>> On 21 Oct 2016, at 15:34, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>> Well, can't view the video, but at least I know Flash is on.  thanks for the 
>> tip.  I had it on under el Cap, but didn't realize I needed to turn it on 
>> again after i upgraded to Sierra.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
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>>> Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to security 
>>> I think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you have to find a 
>>> checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a pop up, where you 
>>> have to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The window and refresh the 
>>> page, and you should be good to go.
>>> I hope this helps,
>>> Jeffrey
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is 
 installed and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do I 
 do about it?
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Re: Scheduling a video to be published on youtube with voiceover (Video inside)

[michael babcock]

I use screen flow to record my videos, 
thanks
:)

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
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> Say, did you use Screenflow to record this or Quick Time?  Just curious.  
> Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Michael Babcock > > wrote:
>> 
>> In this video i just published 2 hours ago, i walk you threw the process of 
>> Scheduling a video on youtube with voiceover to be published. The only add 
>> on that I want to add to this video is you can only select for the time the 
>> section of the video to be posted at the top of the hour, or the half hour. 
>> So for example you could only schedule a video to be posted at 12 AM,, or 
>> 12:30 AM… but you do have all 24 hours to choose from.
>> 
>> I only mention this because I forgot to explain that better in the video, 
>> however here's the video and hopefully it helps someone…
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSMukM-_34=youtu.be 
>> 
>> best regards
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Re: Dropbox behaving, not at all

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi,

I got the issue solved, it was my darn ISP that for some reason throttled the 
hell out of anything to do with DropBox. I connected my Mac to the iPad threw 
personal hotspot and got all my stuff where I wanted it.

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> On 23 Oct 2016, at 5:43 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
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> HI.
> 
> you could try either pausing Sincing or quitting and restarting the drop box.
> 
> Maria
> 
>> On 20 Oct 2016, at 7:30 AM, Brandt Steenkamp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there folks,
>> 
>> I put some stuff in my dropbox about a week ago, namely 89 files, which in 
>> the past would not have taken 2 hours to upload. In Previous versions of OS 
>> X dropbox would have uploaded without any issues, now, for some reason when 
>> looking in the extras menu, I see "Dropbox 12.4.22
>> Uploading 89 files..." Sometimes, I see an upload speed, but nothing is 
>> changing. What can I do?
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
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Re: Google Hangouts on macOS

[Kevin Chao]

The 3 URLs I cited work in Safari. VoiceOver works well in Chrome.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 7:24 PM Maria Chapman 
wrote:

> HI.
>
> some pages work well on safari, and some work well on google crome.  For
> the most part I’ve found crome to be fine with vo.
>
> HTH.
>
> Maria
>
> On 23 Oct 2016, at 1:15 PM, Brandt Steenkamp 
> wrote:
>
> That really sucks big time.
>
> I usually use Chromevox when using Google Chrome, since when I started
> using my Mac, voice over did not like Chrome very much. By the way, is that
> still the case?
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Brandt Steenkamp
>
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>
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> Phone:
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> On 22 Oct 2016, at 5:16 AM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>
> Hangouts can be accessed via Chrome extension, hangouts.google.com,
> gmail.com, or inbox.google.com
> There is no native Mac client :(
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:52 PM Brandt Steenkamp <
> brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi again folks,
>
> I am looking for a way to use Google Hangouts from my Mac, I know you can
> do so from the Web, but I personally prefer to do so from an App. I know
> text chatting is available from the messaging app, but Audio and Video is
> not.
>
> If anyone can help, I would be grateful.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Brandt Steenkamp
>
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>
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Re: Dropbox behaving, not at all

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

you could try either pausing Sincing or quitting and restarting the drop box.

Maria

> On 20 Oct 2016, at 7:30 AM, Brandt Steenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi there folks,
> 
> I put some stuff in my dropbox about a week ago, namely 89 files, which in 
> the past would not have taken 2 hours to upload. In Previous versions of OS X 
> dropbox would have uploaded without any issues, now, for some reason when 
> looking in the extras menu, I see "Dropbox 12.4.22
> Uploading 89 files..." Sometimes, I see an upload speed, but nothing is 
> changing. What can I do?
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
> 
> Phone:
> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
> 
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Re: Scheduling a video to be published on youtube with voiceover (Video inside)

[Ray Foret jr]

Say, did you use Screenflow to record this or Quick Time?  Just curious.  
Thanks.

Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> In this video i just published 2 hours ago, i walk you threw the process of 
> Scheduling a video on youtube with voiceover to be published. The only add on 
> that I want to add to this video is you can only select for the time the 
> section of the video to be posted at the top of the hour, or the half hour. 
> So for example you could only schedule a video to be posted at 12 AM,, or 
> 12:30 AM… but you do have all 24 hours to choose from.
> 
> I only mention this because I forgot to explain that better in the video, 
> however here's the video and hopefully it helps someone…
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSMukM-_34=youtu.be 
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> best regards
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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[John Panarese]

  It is best to write to accessibility. I know they are working on it and read 
the feedback. This is extremely important for Braille users, so the more they 
hear, the better. 


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> On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I think it's important to have all the text shown in it's bold or italicised 
> and so on as only then one would know how the written word is on paper or 
> digitally.  A good braille transcriber will do this for all users who use 
> Braille.
> 
> That is the only good thing with Jaws, you get flawless braille.  May be it 
> will happen on the Mac if we all wrote to Apple and said that we wanted 
> better braille support.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 16:11, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> The main thing I miss on Mac that is in NVDA's braille support on Windows is 
>> formatting information being shown. This includes italicized or bolded text 
>> in HTML documents. I haven't been able to try Chrome's braille support, so I 
>> don't know if it supports the showing of formatting information, but neither 
>> Mac nor iOS show this at all, mainly putting the differently formatted text 
>> in a different element than the rest, which can get annoying in things like 
>> Bible apps, where sometimes even lone words are italicized. NVDA just shows 
>> the text as italicized in braille and moves on, as any good braille 
>> transcriber would. 
>> 
>> On 10/22/2016 9:41 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>> I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even Sierra 
>>> is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good on iOS. 
>>> It's great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has improved greatly 
>>> and has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless.  I don't think 
>>> Apple will do anything to improve it.  At least Apple have got it right on 
>>> the I phone as I love it.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from how good 
 it works on windows and Linux.
 I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is imho but 
 with no luck.
 So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
 Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
 /A
> On 14 Oct 2016, at 23:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's exactly what I did. I set up a commander to mute Speech. I really 
> wonder why they didn't natively give us a command to do this aside from 
> the trackpad commander. What if you're like me, and don't have a 
> track/touch pad? I really don't think Apple thought that one through the 
> greatest. LOL!
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> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances
> 
> 
> Hi,
> For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while 
> reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on 
> with VO shift K and pressing right option d?
> Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a 
> BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going 
> on, but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be 
> awesome.
> HTH,
> Aleeha
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El 
>> Capitan.
>> 
>> I have a few questions, please.
>> 
>> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 
>> braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text 
>> Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though 
>> contracted braille is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under 
>> the cursor is getting expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the 
>> Voiceover utility under the Braille category and automatic translation 
>> is unchecked. That’s the only thing I can thing that would control this 
>> behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. Is there a way to turn that 
>> off, so it 

Re: Status of the send space wizard

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

I find if i tab until it says send space URL then it allows me to paste in the 
link and all works fine.

hth.

Maria

> On 21 Oct 2016, at 10:18 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry for the delay in replying.
> 
> 
> Yest the Wizard is not the most straightforward of apps but is usable.
> 
> 
> Basically I find that using a double virtual mouse click will enable me to 
> enter any of the Folders in the remote view. That is Shift VO space on the 
> folder twice to produce a double click.
> 
> To navigate back up you need to cursor back up to the top of the folder until 
> you hear a sort of error sound. Doing a double shift VO Space here  again 
> should enable you to return to the parent folder.
> 
> 
> At least this works for me.
> 
> 
> The other peculiarity of the Wizard of course is that I find that in dterms 
> of downloading files it is best to use the multiple files option , that is 
> hit the download multiple links button and paste in the link from say an 
> email, even if this is the only link in the email. You can of course just 
> press command a and command c to copy the whole  email and then paste it into 
> the sendspace wizard.
> 
> Hit the multiple files button. Shift tab into the edit area. Press command V 
> to paste and then nabigate to the OK
> 
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> 
> David griffithbutton and start the download.
> 
> 
> and then 19/10/2016 16:08, aliFaisal wrote:
> 
>> Hi David,
>> I got the wizard installed and it seems to be working fine. However, I am 
>> having difficulties navigating the selected folder I am on. For instance, I 
>> have the remote folder targeted and I see the table with all my files on the 
>> remote server. When I tried selecting said folder, I am unable to navigate 
>> it properly. I am trying to use VO up and down arrow, and even disabling 
>> quick Nav and up and down arrow, but it is not working. Is there a better 
>> way of doing this that I do not know about?
>> Thanks
>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:41 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I  have just opened the Wizard on my Mac running Sierra and at first look 
>>> all appears normal.  However as I did not do a clean install I did not have 
>>> to log in again and was automatically logged into my account. I know that 
>>> easily the  most difficult part of the wizard is logging in for the first 
>>> time as there is no typing echo. From memory I  had to try several attempts 
>>> of pressing tab and typing in my user name and password before it finally 
>>> let  me in. You can check a box to prevent having to repeat this though.
>>> 
>>> Having been logged in I found that by pressing option R I was taken 
>>> directly to my remote uploaded files as normal. The other short cuts also 
>>> appear to work and I navigated a few remote folders fine. I did not do an 
>>> extensive test but all seemed  normal as before to me.
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> .
>>> 
>>> 
 On 18 Oct 2016, at 21:42, matthew dyer  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,  I have used it on my mac just fine till now.  I am unable to get it 
 to reginize my user info to log in.  It has not worked since doing a clean 
 install of the os.  I can sign into my account on the web with no problem. 
  It is very strange.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of aliFaisal
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Status of the send space wizard
 
 Hello everyone,
 Does anyone know if the send space wizard for the mac is at all 
 accessible? I use it a lot of my windows machine, and would like to use it 
 on my mac if I can.
 Thanks
 
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Re: Google Hangouts on macOS

[Maria Chapman]

HI.

some pages work well on safari, and some work well on google crome.  For the 
most part I’ve found crome to be fine with vo.

HTH.

Maria

> On 23 Oct 2016, at 1:15 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> That really sucks big time.
> 
> I usually use Chromevox when using Google Chrome, since when I started using 
> my Mac, voice over did not like Chrome very much. By the way, is that still 
> the case?
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
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>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 5:16 AM, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hangouts can be accessed via Chrome extension, hangouts.google.com 
>> ,
>> gmail.com , or inbox.google.com 
>> There is no native Mac client :(
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:52 PM Brandt Steenkamp > >
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi again folks,
>>> 
>>> I am looking for a way to use Google Hangouts from my Mac, I know you can
>>> do so from the Web, but I personally prefer to do so from an App. I know
>>> text chatting is available from the messaging app, but Audio and Video is
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> If anyone can help, I would be grateful.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Phone:
>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: Google Hangouts on macOS

[Brandt Steenkamp]

That really sucks big time.

I usually use Chromevox when using Google Chrome, since when I started using my 
Mac, voice over did not like Chrome very much. By the way, is that still the 
case?

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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> On 22 Oct 2016, at 5:16 AM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Hangouts can be accessed via Chrome extension, hangouts.google.com,
> gmail.com, or inbox.google.com
> There is no native Mac client :(
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:52 PM Brandt Steenkamp 
> wrote:
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>> Hi again folks,
>> 
>> I am looking for a way to use Google Hangouts from my Mac, I know you can
>> do so from the Web, but I personally prefer to do so from an App. I know
>> text chatting is available from the messaging app, but Audio and Video is
>> not.
>> 
>> If anyone can help, I would be grateful.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
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Re: Answering calls on Skype?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes, it will, so you probably don't wanna go that route for privacy sake.

Oh, crap! I didn't wanna have you hear me in the bathroom farting away when 
you called.  LOL! I'm just kidding with ya, Chris, but you get the point. 
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Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Answering calls on Skype?


Cheers! So, if I check the automatic answer checkbox, will it, like, answer 
straight away? Not like what a typical answering machine will do?




On 22 Oct 2016, at 19:15, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hello Chris.

There are two ways of answering on Skype,  in your preferences, you can 
get Skype to answer your calls automatically.  Other wise, I just vo right 
arrow twice to the answer call button and press vo space.  If there is 
another way, please would someone say so.


Kawal.
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How does one answer calls on Skype? Any responses greatly appreciated. 
Cheers!


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Re: Answering calls on Skype?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

There is. And, I just explained how. that's harder than necessary.  Just go 
to the incoming call window, and hit command+Shift+R.

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Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Answering calls on Skype?


Hello Chris.

There are two ways of answering on Skype,  in your preferences, you can get 
Skype to answer your calls automatically.  Other wise, I just vo right arrow 
twice to the answer call button and press vo space.  If there is another 
way, please would someone say so.


Kawal.
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How does one answer calls on Skype? Any responses greatly appreciated. 
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Re: Answering calls on Skype?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Depends.  Are we speaking of iOS, or OSX.

If the ladder, then make sure you're focused with Skype's incoming call 
window in the foreground, then, command+Shift+R to answer, and again, 
provided you're in the foreground with Skype, Command+Shift+H to hang up.

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How does one answer calls on Skype? Any responses greatly appreciated. 
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Re: charging iPhone 7+ issues

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

O, kay? So... does that work only on the 7, or does that command also work 
on 6th generations like the 6S.
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  Subject: Re: charging iPhone 7+ issues


  That’s right Chris.  No more using the home button with the power button.  
From here on out, it’s power plus volume down.


  Way easier I think.




  Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
  Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 


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So, power and volume down. I've never heard of that, is that basically now 
what you do instead of power and home?
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  Subject: charging iPhone 7+ issues


  Hi List,

I just received my iPhone 7+ 2 days ago and used the battery upp 
completely before charging it last night.

  Now when I got up this morning and unplugged it from ac power  the phone 
felt very warm and I could not unlock it with the pin code or get it to turn vo 
off / on 

  I started getting a bit concerned that things might be wrong but finally 
foud the instructions on how to reboot the iPhone 7 range, power and volume 
down,
  This seemed to correct issues I was having with pin input and fingerprint 
scanning 

  The charging seemed to really screw up the input.

  H has anyone else noticed this sort of behaviour with their phones  
especially the device heating up when charging  
  Warm enough for me to feel it through the leather wallet case it was in, 
I never felt this with my 6s+ or previous 6 etc.

  Cheers for any info.


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Re: charging iPhone 7+ issues

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wow, that's good to know.
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  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:17 PM
  Subject: RE: charging iPhone 7+ issues


  Yeah seems to be,

  Rather cool I thought, 

   Answered the question as to why my phone wouldn’t restart.

   

  It’s also similar to what Samsung use on their phones.

   

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  So, power and volume down. I've never heard of that, is that basically now 
what you do instead of power and home?

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From: Simon Fogarty 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 7:41 PM

Subject: charging iPhone 7+ issues

 

Hi List,

 

  I just received my iPhone 7+ 2 days ago and used the battery upp 
completely before charging it last night.

 

Now when I got up this morning and unplugged it from ac power  the phone 
felt very warm and I could not unlock it with the pin code or get it to turn vo 
off / on 

 

I started getting a bit concerned that things might be wrong but finally 
foud the instructions on how to reboot the iPhone 7 range, power and volume 
down,

This seemed to correct issues I was having with pin input and fingerprint 
scanning 

 

The charging seemed to really screw up the input.

 

H has anyone else noticed this sort of behaviour with their phones  
especially the device heating up when charging  

Warm enough for me to feel it through the leather wallet case it was in, I 
never felt this with my 6s+ or previous 6 etc.

 

Cheers for any info.

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Re: error message: Video requires Flash?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Do you happen to have google chrome installed Donna?
If not i can take a look at the video with chrome on my mac if you want to to 
see if it works.
/A
> On 21 Oct 2016, at 15:34, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, can't view the video, but at least I know Flash is on.  thanks for the 
> tip.  I had it on under el Cap, but didn't realize I needed to turn it on 
> again after i upgraded to Sierra.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, what you have to do, is go to Safari preferences, going to security I 
>> think it is, and find the settings for plug-ins. Then, you have to find a 
>> checkbox for flash, and check it. Then, there will be a pop up, where you 
>> have to choose to turn it on. Then, just close The window and refresh the 
>> page, and you should be good to go.
>> I hope this helps,
>> Jeffrey
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm clicking on a video and getting that error message.  Flash is installed 
>>> and updated.  Why would I be getting this message, and what do I do about 
>>> it?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Scheduling a video to be published on youtube with voiceover (Video inside)

[Michael Babcock]

In this video i just published 2 hours ago, i walk you threw the process of 
Scheduling a video on youtube with voiceover to be published. The only add on 
that I want to add to this video is you can only select for the time the 
section of the video to be posted at the top of the hour, or the half hour. So 
for example you could only schedule a video to be posted at 12 AM,, or 12:30 
AM… but you do have all 24 hours to choose from.

I only mention this because I forgot to explain that better in the video, 
however here's the video and hopefully it helps someone…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPSMukM-_34=youtu.be 

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EtreCheck, trouble shooting and system report utility

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I ran across this free diagnostic utility which helps spot system 
problems.  It also provides reports on system software and hardware 
installation.  Also such things as which apps are using the cpu by 
percent, among other such information.


http://etrecheck.com/

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Re: Alternative radio apps for the mac?

[aliFaisal]

Pressing VO m does nothing at times, and makes radium busy at other times. This 
is the case with both VO m, as well as the track pad gesture.

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:40 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok, got the menu to work, just close the window presented. Also there is a 
> “more options” menu button which, when clicked, brings up a menu such as 
> “settings…” and “quit Radium”.
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 19:15, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
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>> Hi guys, in the newest version of Radium you can have it on the dock in the 
>> menu bar. Maybe try that.
>> 
>> God bless.
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>> 
>> On Oct 22, 2016, at 13:39, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I was surprised to read about this problem with Radium. I have Sierra on my 
>>> Mac. And I have used Radium successfully recently. I do have an alias for 
>>> radium on my desktop. Maybe that's why it still works for me.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 21, 2016, at 11:41 PM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 So now we’ve discovered a possible critical bug in the latest Radium for 
 mac where the menu bar cannot be invoked with VO-m and instead closes it, 
 are there any alternatives besides My Tuner Radio? Asking as have tried 
 this, and I think for someone new to the mac, expecting them to route the 
 mouse pointer to the VO cursor and clicking it is all too much for them at 
 this stage. At least that’s been my experience when opening My Tuner Radio 
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Re: Is there any way to unlink contacts?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for the help.  Just in case anyone else is following this thread, here 
is what I finally did.

when reading Tim's message, I missed one important point, "on  your Mac." lol 
So, I ended up continuing to fiddle with my phone.  I finally figured out that 
you can access the Unlink option by selecting the linked contact and using the 
rotor.  Unlink is one of the choices the rotor brings up.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 22, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> In the Contacts app on your Mac, make sure All Contacts, or All iCloud, is 
> selected from the Groups table, then go to the card that is now linked.  
> press cmd-l to Edit or press on the Edit button.  Interact with the Scroll 
> area and just to the VO-left of the Notes field, you'll find the references 
> to the linked cards.  So, for example, if you linked the FaceBook card and 
> your iCloud card, you'll see entries for both, along with Remove buttons.  
> Press on the Remove FaceBook button from this area and it should unlink the 
> FaceBook card from your iCloud card without removing either from your 
> contacts.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 22, 2016, at 07:51, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Last night I was playing around with linking contacts.  Now I want to unlink 
> two of the contacts that I linked, but I don't see any way to do it.  Does 
> anyone know if there's a way?
> Thanks,
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Mirai-based DDoS attack highlights benefits of Apple's secure HomeKit platform

[Mary Otten]

Really worth considering before you get less secure iot devices.

Mirai-based DDoS attack highlights benefits of Apple's secure HomeKit platform
AppleInsider

 A distributed denial of service (DDoS) attack that on Friday severely impacted 
internet access for many U.S. web denizens was found to be in part enabled by a 
botnet targeting unprotected "Internet of Things" devices. For Apple, the 
revelation vindicates a controversial walled garden approach to IoT, borne out 
through the encryption HomeKit protocol.

 

As detailed yesterday, unknown hackers set their sights on Dyn, an internet 
management company that provides DNS services to many major web entities.

A series of repeated attacks caused websites including The Verge, Imgur and 
Reddit, as well as services like HBO Now, and PayPal, to see slowdowns and 
extended downtimes. Follow-up waves played havoc with The New York Times, CNN, 
Netflix, Twitter and the PlayStation Network, among many others.

Though Dyn was initially unable to nail down a source, subsequent information 
published by security research firm Flashpoint revealed the targeted attacks 
involved a strain of the Mirai malware, reports Brian Krebs. Krebs has 
firsthand experience with Mirai, as the malware was deployed in a DDoS attack 
that brought down his website, KrebsOnSecurity, in September.

Mirai searches the web for IoT devices set up with default admin username and 
password combinations, Krebs says. Once discovered, the malware infiltrates and 
uses poorly protected hardware to facilitate a DDoS attack on an online entity, 
in this case Dyn.

Poor security practices are nothing new. Uninitiated or lazy end users have for 
decades left factory default settings untouched on routers, networked printers 
and other potential intrusion vectors. But this is different.

DVRs and IP cameras made by Chinese company XiongMai Technologies, as well as 
other connected gadgets currently flooding the market, contain a grievous 
security vulnerability and are in large part responsible for hosting the 
botnet.According to Krebs, DVRs and IP cameras made by Chinese company XiongMai 
Technologies, as well as other connected gadgets currently flooding the market, 
contain a grievous security vulnerability and are in large part responsible for 
hosting the botnet. As he explains, a portion of these devices can be reached 
via Telnet and SSH even after a user changes the default username and password.

"The issue with these particular devices is that a user cannot feasibly change 
this password," said Zach Wikholm, research developer at Flashpoint. "The 
password is hardcoded into the firmware, and the tools necessary to disable it 
are not present. Even worse, the web interface is not aware that these 
credentials even exist."

To prevent another Mirai attack, or a similar assault harnessing IoT hardware, 
offending devices might require a recall, Krebs says. Short of a that, 
unplugging an affected product is an effective stopgap.

By contrast, Apple's HomeKit features built-in end-to-end encryption, protected 
wireless chip standards, remote access obfuscation and other security measures 
designed to thwart hacks. Needless to say, it would be relatively difficult to 
turn a HomeKit MFi device in a DDoS zombie.

Announced in 2014 alongside iOS 8, HomeKit debuted as a secure framework onto 
which manufacturers of smart home products can build. Specifically, the system 
uses iOS and iCloud infrastructure to securely synchronize data between host 
devices and accessories.

Apple details HomeKit protections in a security document posted to its website 
(PDF link), saying the system is based on public-private key pairs.

First, key pairs are generated on an iOS device and assigned to each HomeKit 
user. The unique HomeKit identity is stored in Keychain and synchronized to 
other devices via iCloud Keychain. Compatible accessories generate their own 
key pair for communicating with linked iOS devices. Importantly, accessories 
will generate new key pairs when restored to factory settings.



Apple uses the Secure Remote Password (3,072-bit) protocol to establish a link 
between an iOS device and a HomeKit accessory via Wi-Fi or Bluetooth. On first 
use, keys are exchanged through a procedure that involves entering an 8-digit 
code provided by the manufacturer into a host iPhone or iPad. Finally, 
exchanged data is encrypted while the system verifies the accessory's MFi 
certification.

When an iPhone communicates with a HomeKit accessory, the two devices 
authenticate each other using the exchanged keys, Station-to-Station protocol 
and per-session encryption. Further, Apple painstakingly designed a remote 
control feature called iCloud Remote that allows users to access their 
accessories when not at home.

Accessories that support iCloud remote access are provisioned during the 
accessory's setup process. The provisioning process begins with the user 
signing in to iCloud. Next, the iOS device 

Re: Alternative radio apps for the mac?

[christopher hallsworth]

Ok, got the menu to work, just close the window presented. Also there is a 
“more options” menu button which, when clicked, brings up a menu such as 
“settings…” and “quit Radium”.


> On 22 Oct 2016, at 19:15, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys, in the newest version of Radium you can have it on the dock in the 
> menu bar. Maybe try that.
> 
> God bless.
> Matt Dierckens,
> Certified assistive technology specialist
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> Canadian phone: 519-962-9140
> US phone: 573-401-1018
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> 
> On Oct 22, 2016, at 13:39, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I was surprised to read about this problem with Radium. I have Sierra on my 
>> Mac. And I have used Radium successfully recently. I do have an alias for 
>> radium on my desktop. Maybe that's why it still works for me.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 11:41 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So now we’ve discovered a possible critical bug in the latest Radium for 
>>> mac where the menu bar cannot be invoked with VO-m and instead closes it, 
>>> are there any alternatives besides My Tuner Radio? Asking as have tried 
>>> this, and I think for someone new to the mac, expecting them to route the 
>>> mouse pointer to the VO cursor and clicking it is all too much for them at 
>>> this stage. At least that’s been my experience when opening My Tuner Radio 
>>> from the menu extras. Thanks for any offers.
>>> 
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Re: Answering calls on Skype?

[christopher hallsworth]

Cheers! So, if I check the automatic answer checkbox, will it, like, answer 
straight away? Not like what a typical answering machine will do?


> On 22 Oct 2016, at 19:15, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hello Chris.
> 
> There are two ways of answering on Skype,  in your preferences, you can get 
> Skype to answer your calls automatically.  Other wise, I just vo right arrow 
> twice to the answer call button and press vo space.  If there is another way, 
> please would someone say so.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 07:42, christopher hallsworth  
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>> How does one answer calls on Skype? Any responses greatly appreciated. 
>> Cheers!
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Re: 1Password Update

[christopher hallsworth]

It will be in either your application chooser or window chooser menu, accessed 
with VO-f1-f1 and VO-f2-f2 respectively. You should see “popover”. Press return 
on that, and it should have keyboard focus.


> On 22 Oct 2016, at 19:30, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> Greetings all, I just got the 1Password update. In my browser it displayed 
> the code. And says I can go to one password to compare it. But I don't find 
> where the code is displayed in one password. Can somebody comment about that 
> where do you compare the code and agree to it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2016, at 15:37, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  If you do not have the automatically check for updates option selected, you 
>> can almost always find the option on the menu bar. If you bought an app from 
>> the app store, those updates will appear in the app store.
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 10/20/2016 11:58 AM, Marie Lyons wrote:
>>> How does one update? I didn’t see an update selection in the menu; unless, 
>>> I missed it .
>>> 
>>> Marie Lyons
 On Oct 19, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
  wrote:
 
 VoiceOver will announce when a new window is displayed. You should listen 
 out for it, as it’s easy to miss. VoiceOver says something like, ‘System 
 has new window’, or, ‘1Password has new window.’
 
> On 19 Oct. 2016, at 8:09 am, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> The 6.3.4 update has to do with browser extensions. Before, you would 
> download and install the extension. This was changed. Now, you would be 
> prompted to compare a code with that shown in the browser. Simpler.
> 
> What I encountered prompts a question. Safari showed the code and the 
> dialog indicated that one was to go to 1Password and compare the code 
> there. The mystery was. where was that code being displayed in 1Password?
> 
> Turned out it was in a popover. Invoking the Window chooser then took me 
> there and I completed the task.
> 
> It was not obvious. So is this actually typical behavior? Is this where 
> one develops a habit of checking the Window chooser?
> 
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Re: 1Password Update

[E.T.]

   Use Window Chooser to find that dialog.

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ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/22/2016 11:30 AM, John JD Denning wrote:

Greetings all, I just got the 1Password update. In my browser it displayed the 
code. And says I can go to one password to compare it. But I don't find where 
the code is displayed in one password. Can somebody comment about that where do 
you compare the code and agree to it?

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 20, 2016, at 15:37, E.T.  wrote:

  If you do not have the automatically check for updates option selected, you 
can almost always find the option on the menu bar. If you bought an app from 
the app store, those updates will appear in the app store.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 10/20/2016 11:58 AM, Marie Lyons wrote:
How does one update? I didn’t see an update selection in the menu; unless, I 
missed it .

Marie Lyons

On Oct 19, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

VoiceOver will announce when a new window is displayed. You should listen out 
for it, as it’s easy to miss. VoiceOver says something like, ‘System has new 
window’, or, ‘1Password has new window.’


On 19 Oct. 2016, at 8:09 am, E.T.  wrote:

The 6.3.4 update has to do with browser extensions. Before, you would download 
and install the extension. This was changed. Now, you would be prompted to 
compare a code with that shown in the browser. Simpler.

What I encountered prompts a question. Safari showed the code and the dialog 
indicated that one was to go to 1Password and compare the code there. The 
mystery was. where was that code being displayed in 1Password?

Turned out it was in a popover. Invoking the Window chooser then took me there 
and I completed the task.

It was not obvious. So is this actually typical behavior? Is this where one 
develops a habit of checking the Window chooser?

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Re: 1Password Update

[John JD Denning]

Greetings all, I just got the 1Password update. In my browser it displayed the 
code. And says I can go to one password to compare it. But I don't find where 
the code is displayed in one password. Can somebody comment about that where do 
you compare the code and agree to it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 15:37, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   If you do not have the automatically check for updates option selected, you 
> can almost always find the option on the menu bar. If you bought an app from 
> the app store, those updates will appear in the app store.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 10/20/2016 11:58 AM, Marie Lyons wrote:
>> How does one update? I didn’t see an update selection in the menu; unless, I 
>> missed it .
>> 
>> Marie Lyons
>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> VoiceOver will announce when a new window is displayed. You should listen 
>>> out for it, as it’s easy to miss. VoiceOver says something like, ‘System 
>>> has new window’, or, ‘1Password has new window.’
>>> 
 On 19 Oct. 2016, at 8:09 am, E.T.  wrote:
 
 The 6.3.4 update has to do with browser extensions. Before, you would 
 download and install the extension. This was changed. Now, you would be 
 prompted to compare a code with that shown in the browser. Simpler.
 
 What I encountered prompts a question. Safari showed the code and the 
 dialog indicated that one was to go to 1Password and compare the code 
 there. The mystery was. where was that code being displayed in 1Password?
 
 Turned out it was in a popover. Invoking the Window chooser then took me 
 there and I completed the task.
 
 It was not obvious. So is this actually typical behavior? Is this where 
 one develops a habit of checking the Window chooser?
 
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Re: How To Increase the speed of a youtube video using safari and OS X (Video inside)

[Michael Babcock]

Thanks for your kind words…

I'll try to explain this in more detail!

When I'm recording videos on my Macintosh computer, I use an application I 
purchased for US$99 called screen flow. This will allow me to record the camera 
from my computer, the screen from my computer, VoiceOver from my computer, and 
my voice. I can also record in any combination of the four mentioned recording 
abilities. So for example I could record just my screen and voiceover, or my 
screen, my voice, and voiceover, or maybe just my voice and my camera…

Regarding videos on my iPhone, I use the Camera application that comes natively 
installed on iOS. I find the camera mode selector, flick  to video, make sure 
the proper camera is selected  rear facing or front facing, then press either 
one of the volume keys to start recording. Press either one of the volume keys 
to stop recording.
Let me know if any more clarification is necessary.

Hope you're doing amazing



Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Hi Michael.
> 
> Please explain to me further what you mean re your message below as I don't 
> understand.  If need be,  you can write to me off list as you did yesterday.
> 
> As I said, you were very kind to send me my answers off list.  Also, I really 
> liked your podcast as it was rather like another person I know who does to 
> the point podcasts.  Yours was straight to the point which was brilliant.
> 
> Thanks again and I look forward to your replies when ever you wish to reply, 
> no rush.
> 
> I did not expect a message from you so again, thank you very very much.
> 
> Kawal. 
>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 03:41, michael babcock  
>> wrote:
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>> I personally record all my videos in screen flow ($99 app) on the mac.
>> My videos on my phone are done in the camera app.
>> and i emailed you off list regarding the Jaws questions.
>> best.
>> michael
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I liked the video thanks.  I listen to a lot of Youtube when at work to 
>>> help me work as it were so how does one pause or set volume up and down if 
>>> you are using jaws as I'm always having to tab.  I know it's a Mac list but 
>>> I need to use windows at work.  I know that the Mac handles Youtube stuff 
>>> just fine after this video.  Also how does one make a video on an I phone 
>>> or Mac?  I don't have any editing tools.  I thought that Apple would have 
>>> an app already installed on your phone or your I Mac or Mac computer to 
>>> handle all this without you having to buy anything further.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 21 Oct 2016, at 18:14, michael babcock  
 wrote:
 
 In this video i walk you threw the process of increasing the playback 
 speed of a video using Safari and Voiceover on the latest version of SOX. 
 I hope some of you enjoy this, and look forward to providing more 
 information in the future. Check out the description of this video for 
 links to anything i referenced in this video, mainly J.R.’s channel if you 
 want to learn more about a low vision vlogger.
 
 changing the speed of a video using youtube and voiceover
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcT7GMEwUMY
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Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[christopher hallsworth]

Well, USB-C will replace the magsafe power adaptor as USB-C is powerful enough 
to charge a portable computer like a mac. Right now, the 12 inch Macbook can 
only charge via USB-C, so it is expected that future Macbook models will charge 
the same way.


> On 22 Oct 2016, at 15:52, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> If they remove the magsafe adaptor what will then be around instead?
> Thats one thing i don’t get.
> The removal of the function keys may not be so good but that depends on how 
> the accessibility team resolves this.
> /A
>> On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:03, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to discuss. 
>>  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the laptops including 
>> the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook taking the place of the 
>> 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the MacBook air 13, and changes 
>> to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the source has a hit and miss record 
>> with rumors, it does indicate that it matches other reports from more 
>> reliable sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be interested in comments, 
>> I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
>>  The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
>> keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included is 
>> USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a little 
>> bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just because) and 
>> the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
>> What do you all think?
>> 
>> Read more here.
>> http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I think it's important to have all the text shown in it's bold or italicised 
and so on as only then one would know how the written word is on paper or 
digitally.  A good braille transcriber will do this for all users who use 
Braille.

That is the only good thing with Jaws, you get flawless braille.  May be it 
will happen on the Mac if we all wrote to Apple and said that we wanted better 
braille support.

Kawal.
> On 22 Oct 2016, at 16:11, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> The main thing I miss on Mac that is in NVDA's braille support on Windows is 
> formatting information being shown. This includes italicized or bolded text 
> in HTML documents. I haven't been able to try Chrome's braille support, so I 
> don't know if it supports the showing of formatting information, but neither 
> Mac nor iOS show this at all, mainly putting the differently formatted text 
> in a different element than the rest, which can get annoying in things like 
> Bible apps, where sometimes even lone words are italicized. NVDA just shows 
> the text as italicized in braille and moves on, as any good braille 
> transcriber would. 
> 
> On 10/22/2016 9:41 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even Sierra 
>> is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good on iOS. It's 
>> great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has improved greatly and 
>> has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless.  I don't think 
>> Apple will do anything to improve it.  At least Apple have got it right on 
>> the I phone as I love it.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> > On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from how good 
>> > it works on windows and Linux.
>> > I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is imho but 
>> > with no luck.
>> > So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
>> > Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
>> > /A
>> >> On 14 Oct 2016, at 23:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's exactly what I did. I set up a commander to mute Speech. I really 
>> >> wonder why they didn't natively give us a command to do this aside from 
>> >> the trackpad commander. What if you're like me, and don't have a 
>> >> track/touch pad? I really don't think Apple thought that one through the 
>> >> greatest. LOL!
>> >> ---
>> >> Christopher Gilland
>> >> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> >> Training Instructor.
>> >>
>> >> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> >> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> >> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
>> >> 
>> >> To: 
>> >> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:20 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >> For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while 
>> >> reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on 
>> >> with VO shift K and pressing right option d?
>> >> Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a 
>> >> BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going 
>> >> on, but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be 
>> >> awesome.
>> >> HTH,
>> >> Aleeha
>> >>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland  
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Guys,
>> >>>
>> >>> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El 
>> >>> Capitan.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have a few questions, please.
>> >>>
>> >>> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 
>> >>> braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text 
>> >>> Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though 
>> >>> contracted braille is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under 
>> >>> the cursor is getting expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the 
>> >>> Voiceover utility under the Braille category and automatic translation 
>> >>> is unchecked. That’s the only thing I can thing that would control this 
>> >>> behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. Is there a way to turn that 
>> >>> off, so it contracts regardless?
>> >>>
>> >>> Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!
>> >>>
>> >>> When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html 
>> >>> element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web 
>> >>> html content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover 
>> >>> is concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change 
>> >>> that.  This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the 
>> >>> display.  Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is 
>> >>> my 

Re: Alternative radio apps for the mac?

[christopher hallsworth]

VO-M.
> On 22 Oct 2016, at 19:04, David Griffith  wrote:
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> Are you bringing upthe the menu with VO M  or with the Trackpad?
> 
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> On 22/10/2016 18:39, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I was surprised to read about this problem with Radium. I have Sierra on my 
>> Mac. And I have used Radium successfully recently. I do have an alias for 
>> radium on my desktop. Maybe that's why it still works for me.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 11:41 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So now we’ve discovered a possible critical bug in the latest Radium for 
>>> mac where the menu bar cannot be invoked with VO-m and instead closes it, 
>>> are there any alternatives besides My Tuner Radio? Asking as have tried 
>>> this, and I think for someone new to the mac, expecting them to route the 
>>> mouse pointer to the VO cursor and clicking it is all too much for them at 
>>> this stage. At least that’s been my experience when opening My Tuner Radio 
>>> from the menu extras. Thanks for any offers.
>>> 
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Re: Alternative radio apps for the mac?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi guys, in the newest version of Radium you can have it on the dock in the 
menu bar. Maybe try that.

God bless.
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> On Oct 22, 2016, at 13:39, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I was surprised to read about this problem with Radium. I have Sierra on my 
> Mac. And I have used Radium successfully recently. I do have an alias for 
> radium on my desktop. Maybe that's why it still works for me.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 11:41 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So now we’ve discovered a possible critical bug in the latest Radium for mac 
>> where the menu bar cannot be invoked with VO-m and instead closes it, are 
>> there any alternatives besides My Tuner Radio? Asking as have tried this, 
>> and I think for someone new to the mac, expecting them to route the mouse 
>> pointer to the VO cursor and clicking it is all too much for them at this 
>> stage. At least that’s been my experience when opening My Tuner Radio from 
>> the menu extras. Thanks for any offers.
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Re: Answering calls on Skype?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Chris.

There are two ways of answering on Skype,  in your preferences, you can get 
Skype to answer your calls automatically.  Other wise, I just vo right arrow 
twice to the answer call button and press vo space.  If there is another way, 
please would someone say so.

Kawal.
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> How does one answer calls on Skype? Any responses greatly appreciated. Cheers!
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Re: How To Increase the speed of a youtube video using safari and OS X (Video inside)

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Michael.

Please explain to me further what you mean re your message below as I don't 
understand.  If need be,  you can write to me off list as you did yesterday.

As I said, you were very kind to send me my answers off list.  Also, I really 
liked your podcast as it was rather like another person I know who does to the 
point podcasts.  Yours was straight to the point which was brilliant.

Thanks again and I look forward to your replies when ever you wish to reply, no 
rush.

I did not expect a message from you so again, thank you very very much.

Kawal. 
> On 22 Oct 2016, at 03:41, michael babcock  wrote:
> 
> I personally record all my videos in screen flow ($99 app) on the mac.
> My videos on my phone are done in the camera app.
> and i emailed you off list regarding the Jaws questions.
> best.
> michael
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I liked the video thanks.  I listen to a lot of Youtube when at work to help 
>> me work as it were so how does one pause or set volume up and down if you 
>> are using jaws as I'm always having to tab.  I know it's a Mac list but I 
>> need to use windows at work.  I know that the Mac handles Youtube stuff just 
>> fine after this video.  Also how does one make a video on an I phone or Mac? 
>>  I don't have any editing tools.  I thought that Apple would have an app 
>> already installed on your phone or your I Mac or Mac computer to handle all 
>> this without you having to buy anything further.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 21 Oct 2016, at 18:14, michael babcock  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In this video i walk you threw the process of increasing the playback speed 
>>> of a video using Safari and Voiceover on the latest version of SOX. I hope 
>>> some of you enjoy this, and look forward to providing more information in 
>>> the future. Check out the description of this video for links to anything i 
>>> referenced in this video, mainly J.R.’s channel if you want to learn more 
>>> about a low vision vlogger.
>>> 
>>> changing the speed of a video using youtube and voiceover
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcT7GMEwUMY
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Re: Alternative radio apps for the mac?

[David Griffith]

Are you bringing upthe the menu with VO M  or with the Trackpad?


David Griffith


On 22/10/2016 18:39, Mary Otten wrote:


Hi all,
I was surprised to read about this problem with Radium. I have Sierra on my 
Mac. And I have used Radium successfully recently. I do have an alias for 
radium on my desktop. Maybe that's why it still works for me.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 21, 2016, at 11:41 PM, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

So now we’ve discovered a possible critical bug in the latest Radium for mac 
where the menu bar cannot be invoked with VO-m and instead closes it, are there 
any alternatives besides My Tuner Radio? Asking as have tried this, and I think 
for someone new to the mac, expecting them to route the mouse pointer to the VO 
cursor and clicking it is all too much for them at this stage. At least that’s 
been my experience when opening My Tuner Radio from the menu extras. Thanks for 
any offers.


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Re: Alternative radio apps for the mac?

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
I was surprised to read about this problem with Radium. I have Sierra on my 
Mac. And I have used Radium successfully recently. I do have an alias for 
radium on my desktop. Maybe that's why it still works for me.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2016, at 11:41 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
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> So now we’ve discovered a possible critical bug in the latest Radium for mac 
> where the menu bar cannot be invoked with VO-m and instead closes it, are 
> there any alternatives besides My Tuner Radio? Asking as have tried this, and 
> I think for someone new to the mac, expecting them to route the mouse pointer 
> to the VO cursor and clicking it is all too much for them at this stage. At 
> least that’s been my experience when opening My Tuner Radio from the menu 
> extras. Thanks for any offers.
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Re: Is there any way to unlink contacts?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In the Contacts app on your Mac, make sure All Contacts, or All iCloud, is 
selected from the Groups table, then go to the card that is now linked.  press 
cmd-l to Edit or press on the Edit button.  Interact with the Scroll area and 
just to the VO-left of the Notes field, you'll find the references to the 
linked cards.  So, for example, if you linked the FaceBook card and your iCloud 
card, you'll see entries for both, along with Remove buttons.  Press on the 
Remove FaceBook button from this area and it should unlink the FaceBook card 
from your iCloud card without removing either from your contacts.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 22, 2016, at 07:51, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

Last night I was playing around with linking contacts.  Now I want to unlink 
two of the contacts that I linked, but I don't see any way to do it.  Does 
anyone know if there's a way?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Devin Prater]

The main thing I miss on Mac that is in NVDA's braille support on 
Windows is formatting information being shown. This includes italicized 
or bolded text in HTML documents. I haven't been able to try Chrome's 
braille support, so I don't know if it supports the showing of 
formatting information, but neither Mac nor iOS show this at all, mainly 
putting the differently formatted text in a different element than the 
rest, which can get annoying in things like Bible apps, where sometimes 
even lone words are italicized. NVDA just shows the text as italicized 
in braille and moves on, as any good braille transcriber would.



On 10/22/2016 9:41 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even 
Sierra is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good 
on iOS. It's great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has 
improved greatly and has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.


On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:


I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless.  I
don't think Apple will do anything to improve it.  At least Apple
have got it right on the I phone as I love it.

Kawal.
> On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg > wrote:
>
> Hi!
> To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from
how good it works on windows and Linux.
> I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is
imho but with no luck.
> So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
> Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
> /A
>> On 14 Oct 2016, at 23:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland
> wrote:
>>
>> That's exactly what I did. I set up a commander to mute Speech.
I really wonder why they didn't natively give us a command to do
this aside from the trackpad commander. What if you're like me,
and don't have a track/touch pad? I really don't think Apple
thought that one through the greatest. LOL!
>> ---
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>> Training Instructor.
>>
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>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 .
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>
>> To: >
>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> For the speech when moving between items, could you mute
VoiceOver while reading to solve this issue by ensuring that
keyboard commander is on with VO shift K and pressing right option d?
>> Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working,
both on a BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t
know what’s going on, but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can
help with this would be awesome.
>> HTH,
>> Aleeha
>>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late
2012 on El Capitan.
>>>
>>> I have a few questions, please.
>>>
>>> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled
dot 7 8 braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field,
be it in Text Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at
all, even though contracted braille is enabled, I’m finding that
the current word under the cursor is getting expanded to computer
braille. I’ve looked in the Voiceover utility under the Braille
category and automatic translation is unchecked. That’s the only
thing I can thing that would control this behavior. Regardless,
that isn’t working. Is there a way to turn that off, so it
contracts regardless?
>>>
>>> Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!
>>>
>>> When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with
an html element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is,
it’s a web html content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as
far as Voiceover is concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t
have any desire to change that.  This is absolutely fine, but the
problem lies in panning with the display.  Regardless if I’m using
my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary display, or I’m
using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find that as
soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item and
moves to the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading
that next item. I know it’s simply doing that because of the fact
I 

Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
If they remove the magsafe adaptor what will then be around instead?
Thats one thing i don’t get.
The removal of the function keys may not be so good but that depends on how the 
accessibility team resolves this.
/A
> On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:03, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to discuss.  
> Includes expectations about the up coming release of the laptops including 
> the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook taking the place of the 11 
> inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the MacBook air 13, and changes to 
> the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the source has a hit and miss record 
> with rumors, it does indicate that it matches other reports from more 
> reliable sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be interested in comments, 
> I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
>   The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
> keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included is 
> USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a little 
> bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just because) and 
> the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
> What do you all think?
> 
> Read more here.
> http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
> 
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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Kevin Chao]

I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even Sierra
is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good on iOS.
It's great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has improved greatly
and has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless.  I don't think
> Apple will do anything to improve it.  At least Apple have got it right on
> the I phone as I love it.
>
> Kawal.
> > On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from how good
> it works on windows and Linux.
> > I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is imho but
> with no luck.
> > So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
> > Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
> > /A
> >> On 14 Oct 2016, at 23:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
> clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That's exactly what I did. I set up a commander to mute Speech. I
> really wonder why they didn't natively give us a command to do this aside
> from the trackpad commander. What if you're like me, and don't have a
> track/touch pad? I really don't think Apple thought that one through the
> greatest. LOL!
> >> ---
> >> Christopher Gilland
> >> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> >> Training Instructor.
> >>
> >> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> >> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> >> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" <
> blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver
> while reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on
> with VO shift K and pressing right option d?
> >> Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on
> a BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going
> on, but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be
> awesome.
> >> HTH,
> >> Aleeha
> >>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Guys,
> >>>
> >>> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on
> El Capitan.
> >>>
> >>> I have a few questions, please.
> >>>
> >>> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8
> braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text
> Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though
> contracted braille is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the
> cursor is getting expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the
> Voiceover utility under the Braille category and automatic translation is
> unchecked. That’s the only thing I can thing that would control this
> behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. Is there a way to turn that off,
> so it contracts regardless?
> >>>
> >>> Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!
> >>>
> >>> When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html
> element, like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html
> content area, Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is
> concerned. I’m using DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change
> that.  This is absolutely fine, but the problem lies in panning with the
> display.  Regardless if I’m using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my
> primary display, or I’m using my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I
> find that as soon as I pan the display to the right and it leaves one item
> and moves to the next, Voiceover starts audibly, with Alex, reading that
> next item. I know it’s simply doing that because of the fact I transitioned
> from the previous item to another item. The issue is, it really is very
> distracting when I’m in the heat of reading a really good article. Then, I
> have to take my hands off the display, hit the control key on the keyboard
> to shut up Alex, then go back to the display, and continue. It really
> really breaks the flow of things. I don’t mind Voiceover doing this
> normally, but there are times I’d rather be able to pan, and even if I
> leave one item and move to another, I’d rather it reflect that on the
> display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m doing is panning.
> It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to complete, so say on my 20
> cell display, an item is over 20 characters. If I pan past the 20th cell to
> the 21st cell of the item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end of the
> item, then try moving to the next item there after that this problem is
> occuring.
> >>>
> >>> The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my display.
> I don’t understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue.  For some b
> izarre reason, my routing keys are not 

Re: Downloading voices in Sierra

[Kevin Chao]

I've ALex everywhere, except for Watch, and switched to it when it was
available on TV. I was just puzzled on this thread of downloading other
voices.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 11:23 PM christopher hallsworth <
challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

> Alex on iOS is the most responsive on all my devices, iPhone 5s, iPad Mini
> 2 and iPod Touch 6.
>
>
> > On 22 Oct 2016, at 07:21, Blee Blat  wrote:
> >
> > On a related note, is there a voice on iOS or Mac OS that is more
> battery efficient or more responsive? I haven't found a way to measure
> this. VoiceOver doesn't show up in the battery status.
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Re: Radium possible bug

[E.T.]

   Radium has not been updated in well over a year. So possible its not 
compatible with Sierra. I have not put it back in since installing 
Sierra and not likely to do so.


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On 10/21/2016 11:20 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Confirmed. Not good. Was going to put this app on my girlfriend’s first ever 
mac, may have second thoughts about this now.



On 22 Oct 2016, at 02:35, aliFaisal  wrote:

Hello all,
so I was in radium today and found that I was no longer able to do a VO m 
command to get to the menu. Can anyone confirm this?

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Re: Voice Over eating memory

[Terje Strømberg]

Ours after boot, but usually it is fine. Last time was the first time and the 
second time has not bin happen yet.
> 22. okt. 2016 kl. 02.44 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> That’s a big +1, first thing that came in to my mind as well was a memory 
> leak.
> 
> Does this happen after days, hours or minutes of being booted?
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 6:18 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> hmmm. better report that one. it sounds a lot like a memory leak (and a 
>> fairly bad one at that).
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Terje Strømberg wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Voice Over was using 13.8GB memory. I shut down and restarted imac. 
>>> Thinking hackers was coming down the voice over pipe line. The fan speed 
>>> was increasing, that is the reason for checking with the menu bar stat 
>>> app.The mac built in activity monitor confirmed that the menu bar stat info 
>>> was not an error. Strange. Now com.apple.speech is back on 157MB and voice 
>>> over down to 32.2MB. After a couple of minutes shut down. Think about voice 
>>> over using nearly 14GB, increase fan speed over a long period before shut 
>>> down. Not scared, just curious about it.
>>> 
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Re: Radium possible bug

[Terje Strømberg]

I am in El Capitan using Radium. So you can’t use Radium without menu?

Take care 

> 22. okt. 2016 kl. 08.20 skrev christopher hallsworth 
> :
> 
> Confirmed. Not good. Was going to put this app on my girlfriend’s first ever 
> mac, may have second thoughts about this now.
> 
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 02:35, aliFaisal  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> so I was in radium today and found that I was no longer able to do a VO m 
>> command to get to the menu. Can anyone confirm this?
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Re: Text forwarding

[E.T.]

   You cannot get out of doing that. (smiles) I opened a number of 
other apps so I would be done with it.


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  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/21/2016 11:08 PM, christopher hallsworth wrote:

You may have to type the new password into the Messages app. Just a thought.

On 22 Oct 2016, at 06:00, E.T.  wrote:

  iPhone, iPad and Mac all on latest OS. I reset my Apple ID password and had 
to set this up again. I am not seeing all the texts on the Mac. What might 
prevent some from not showing? Does it matter if some predated when I got the 
Mac set up?

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Is there any way to unlink contacts?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Last night I was playing around with linking contacts.  Now I want to unlink 
two of the contacts that I linked, but I don't see any way to do it.  Does 
anyone know if there's a way?
Thanks,
Donna

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RE: Speed test comparison between Google Pixel and iPhone 7+

[Simon Fogarty]

I didn’t think google were releasing that phone to the world markets?
I thought it was only available from the play store in the USA?

Or am I thinking of another google device!

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Subject: Re: Speed test comparison between Google Pixel and iPhone 7+

If it were Google Assistant against Siri - we know who would win
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RE: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I could have done with my lighteing to 3.5 mm jack adaptor this morning, 
almost tried to plug a line in cable into my ipHone 7+, yeah that wasn’t going 
to work…

However I still want to know how I plug my lightening connector headphones in 
to my mac book air?

Or other audio device I need to plug headphones into

Has anyone heard of any company developing a lightening to 3.5 mm headphone 
jack adapter the inverse of what we currently have?

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Subject: Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

1. How will OLD light function strip work with VoiceOver?
2. I look forward to USB-C, as I've got many of these cables, including 65-watt 
adapter for various surfaces already.
3. Hope they'll have 32GB or 64GB ram options for MacBook. this MBP with 16B 
RAM is a huge boost over MBA 8GB RAM--I wish I made the jump years ago.
4. lightning to 3.5mm adapter is ~1" in between either end, but I've only used 
it a couple of times the first day to see how it worked, but I've never used it 
since then.
5. I've mostly used the lightning EarPods or Bluetooth headset, but look 
forward to the AirPods.
6. I love the iPhone 7 with stereo speakers and VoiceOver!

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 12:02 PM Sandi Jazmin Kruse 
> wrote:
Scot, i will have to ask the guys what they did. The way it works for
me right now is that i can turn it on and off, at certain situations,
FX if I'm landing the plane ad the airport where there is like 30
other planes lined up on the runway.
Unless if you have a huge stach of money i don't think you will wanna
do this, in case the mac burns off.
But will ask, of course .

On 10/21/16, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> I’m excited to see what they are like as well.  I bet they will be released
> although I don’t think they would have an event about just the pods Since
> the pods were already covered in the September iPhone event.  Sounds
> reasonable for release day though.
>
>> On Oct 21, 2016, at 3:53 AM, Simon Fogarty 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>>
>> They do still have the apple ear pods to release this month, late October
>> as it says on the website, possibly the event next week is the release of
>> the pods?
>>
>> Personally I can't wait to see what they're like,
>> They do soud chunky but that's not the same as seeing what they really are
>> like.
>>
>> I just hope they aren't sounding like beets headphones
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>  On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2016 4:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release
>>
>> FYI Apple is announcing an event next Thursday.
>>
>> Probably to release these MacBooks.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Donna Goodin 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting.  I didn't know about the extra gig of program memory.  I can
>>> see where that would be handy, but still don't think I'd want such a
>>> ginormous phone.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Scott Granados 
 >
 wrote:

 The + also has a second camera, an extra gig of program memory and a bit
 larger battery as I understand it.

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Donna Goodin 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi ET,
>
> The 7--both the plus and the regular have:
> a newer, faster processor
> the new chip that supports the airpots Improved camera (I realize
> that may or may not matter to you) stereo speakers  (I personally
> find the sound noticeably improved) The new virtual home button Is
> slightly thinner
>
>
> Others can probably add to this list.  Remember the Plus refers to the
> larger sized phone.  Personally I prefer the smaller size, but that
> seems to be a gender dependent thing, i.e. most guys seem to like the
> Plus, most women don't.
> HTH,
> Donna
>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 9:01 AM, E.T. 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking 6s. What does the 7 plus have that the non plus model
>> does not? By the way, how long is the lightning to 3.5 adapter?
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 10/18/2016 10:24 PM, Scott Granados 

Answering calls on Skype?

[christopher hallsworth]

How does one answer calls on Skype? Any responses greatly appreciated. Cheers!

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Alternative radio apps for the mac?

[christopher hallsworth]

So now we’ve discovered a possible critical bug in the latest Radium for mac 
where the menu bar cannot be invoked with VO-m and instead closes it, are there 
any alternatives besides My Tuner Radio? Asking as have tried this, and I think 
for someone new to the mac, expecting them to route the mouse pointer to the VO 
cursor and clicking it is all too much for them at this stage. At least that’s 
been my experience when opening My Tuner Radio from the menu extras. Thanks for 
any offers.


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Re: Downloading voices in Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Alex on iOS is the most responsive on all my devices, iPhone 5s, iPad Mini 2 
and iPod Touch 6.


> On 22 Oct 2016, at 07:21, Blee Blat  wrote:
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> On a related note, is there a voice on iOS or Mac OS that is more battery 
> efficient or more responsive? I haven't found a way to measure this. 
> VoiceOver doesn't show up in the battery status.
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Re: Downloading voices in Sierra

[Blee Blat]

On a related note, is there a voice on iOS or Mac OS that is more battery 
efficient or more responsive? I haven't found a way to measure this. VoiceOver 
doesn't show up in the battery status.

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Re: Radium possible bug

[christopher hallsworth]

Confirmed. Not good. Was going to put this app on my girlfriend’s first ever 
mac, may have second thoughts about this now.


> On 22 Oct 2016, at 02:35, aliFaisal  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> so I was in radium today and found that I was no longer able to do a VO m 
> command to get to the menu. Can anyone confirm this?
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Re: Downloading voices in Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Alex all the way for me.


> On 22 Oct 2016, at 04:19, Kevin Chao  wrote:
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> Which Mac voices do VoiceOver users prefer to download?
> 
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 9:14 AM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> Phil, it depends on how many voices you’re pulling down.  I’ve seen this take 
> from 30 seconds on the fast side to over an hour on the slow.  I would wait a 
> while longer and see if you get anywhere.
> 
> I’m also assuming your downloading these over a normal provider and not 
> cellular service.  Some services limit the size of downloads.
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I've set several voices to download in the voice over utilities, but they 
>> seem to be stuck in the "waiting to download"status. Is it normal for them 
>> to be in the hold status for an hour or more? I have my MacBook air on power 
>> with Wi-Fi connected.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Text forwarding

[christopher hallsworth]

You may have to type the new password into the Messages app. Just a thought.
> On 22 Oct 2016, at 06:00, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   iPhone, iPad and Mac all on latest OS. I reset my Apple ID password and had 
> to set this up again. I am not seeing all the texts on the Mac. What might 
> prevent some from not showing? Does it matter if some predated when I got the 
> Mac set up?
> 
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