Re: Saving a document under many folders, and input short cut

[Anne Robertson]

Hello,

The command to change your input source can be changed in System Preferences, 
Keyboard, Shortcuts. Select Input Sources in the first table, then go to the 
next table and change the shortcuts.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 25 Oct 2016, at 00:49, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> I have 2 questions:
> 1- if i need to save a document from pages or text edit, on my downloads but 
> not on the root of my downloads, let’s say that i created a folder inside 
> downloads called docs, and i need to save y document inside it, There is no 
> way to do this from pages or text edit, i have only to choose the root place, 
> like downloads, iCloud etc, do you have a solution?
> 2- i need to find a short cut to make me switch between 2 input sources on 
> keyboard, i’m now using the input menu, can i find  something easier?
> Thanks
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Re: Formatting a document in pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello,

All the formatting information is in the scroll area of the Formatter.
Cheers,

Anne



> On 24 Oct 2016, at 23:57, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> I think i can find the solution, i found all the formatter etc, inside the 
> tool bar.
> so, it’s ok now, but my big issue that i searched but can not find a solution 
> is the input source, i need to change my input source between arabic and 
> english keyboard, pressing Command space opens the spot lite, so, how can i 
> switch  between he 2 languages?
> Thanks
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 9:59 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all:
>> I start Reading the My mac pages, and i created a new document, and i 
>> checked the document setup inside the inspector under the view menu, but i 
>> followed the book, it said  that i will find a place to choose the page 
>> size, printer name etc, i can’t find this menu at all. did i miss something?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi there Christopher,

Most people, when reading standard 6 dot Braille, use their fingertips to do 
so. years of experience have taught me that the easiest way to read 8 dot 
Braille is to use the flat part of your finger, just behind the tip.

Yes, it is rather awkward in the beginning, but a little bit of practice does 
help.

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> On 25 Oct 2016, at 3:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I only prefer dots 7 8 for the blinking cursor. I don't even like it to 
> represent the Voiceover cursor. I, like you, and not a very good braille 
> reader. I mean, I'm decent, but definitely am not where I should be! It takes 
> me about 5 minutes to read an entire 8X11 sheet of braille paper single 
> spaced if that tells you anything.
>  
> I suppose dot 7 8 braille is something I could get used to, but right now, my 
> finters just are not sensitive enough, and it feels like the dots 7 and 8 run 
> into the rest of the braille cell making it very very confusing for me to 
> make out each character. If anyone knows a specific exercize when practicing 
> that may help me with this, I'd love off list to know! I have a very open 
> mind to trying getting used to 7 8 braille, as it really can tell you so much 
> on a braille display. I just don't know what it's gonna take to build the 
> sensitivity up for me to be able to suffer through it, until finally it 
> become second nature, and no longer be a painful task.
>  
> I know it's just practice practice practice, but if there specifically are 
> any little games or exercizes I can do by myself that may help, I'd love to 
> know.
>  
> Anyway, so, yeah, that's my thoughts on dot 7 8, for what it's worth.
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: Jonathan Cohn 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances
>> 
>> Folks, since my braille reading is still way too slow, I only use Braille 
>> devices to verify if they behave with our web content. My understanding is 
>> that JAWS uses dots 7/8 to indicate text attributes but that UEB braille has 
>> in line 6 dot ways of indicating these attributes. What are people's 
>> preferences on this? Also, if UEB text attribution indicators are used do 
>> folks only use the dots 7 and 8 for cursor location?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:55 PM John Panarese > > wrote:
>>>   It is best to write to accessibility. I know they are working on it and 
>>> read the feedback. This is extremely important for Braille users, so the 
>>> more they hear, the better. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 I think it's important to have all the text shown in it's bold or 
 italicised and so on as only then one would know how the written word is 
 on paper or digitally.  A good braille transcriber will do this for all 
 users who use Braille.
 
 That is the only good thing with Jaws, you get flawless braille.  May be 
 it will happen on the Mac if we all wrote to Apple and said that we wanted 
 better braille support.
 
 Kawal.
> On 22 Oct 2016, at 16:11, Devin Prater  > wrote:
> 
> The main thing I miss on Mac that is in NVDA's braille support on Windows 
> is formatting information being shown. This includes italicized or bolded 
> text in HTML documents. I haven't been able to try Chrome's braille 
> support, so I don't know if it supports the showing of formatting 
> information, but neither Mac nor iOS show this at all, mainly putting the 
> differently formatted text in a different element than the rest, which 
> can get annoying in things like Bible apps, where sometimes even lone 
> words are italicized. NVDA just shows the text as italicized in braille 
> and moves on, as any good braille 

Re: Anything new, good or bad, related to voiceover in the new update for Sierra

[Michael Marshall]

The serie bug where it does not read your message if you ask to post to Twitter 
is still there.
> On 25 Oct. 2016, at 9:48 am, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t noticed anything sideways with the new release.  I am noticing for 
> example the unlock with watch feature is far more reliable and some small 
> things like that.  Also very stable but nothing pro or conn accessibility 
> wise.  I don’t recall the post off hand to comment on the specific issue.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> On one of these two lists, and I don't remember which one, there was a 
>> cryptic comment not too long ago from someone saying that they were unhappy 
>> with something about the Sierra beta, which is now the official Sierra 
>> update. Because they were running a beta, they didn't want to comment on 
>> what the thing was that they didn't like that had to do with excess ability. 
>> I haven't installed the update yet, and I'm curious what people have 
>> noticed, good or bad who have installed the latest update.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Checking how much data has been downloaded.

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
is it possible to check how much data has been downloaded on my Mac today? 
Thanks for any answer.
Max.

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Re: Stress testing the MacBook Pro

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What I! wanna know is, how! can  one  stress test a Macintosh based computer, 
regardless the model. I got one over here who's battery might be on the way out 
along with other things. I'd just like to really see how much it can take at 
this point, but that said, I don't wanna over! stress it. I wanna put it to 
it's absolute limit, but I want to do so without pushing it past that one 
little inch that sends it plummeting over the mountain.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandt Steenkamp 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:07 PM
  Subject: Stress testing the MacBook Pro


  Hi there folks,


  Just a quick question, if you over heat the MacBook Pro, will it shut it self 
down like some of the other laptops out there?


  I know my old HP ProBook 4510S use to do so whenever it got to hot.


  Warm regards,


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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I don't think I'd really mind UEB per sé, and face it, like it or not, we may 
as well get used to it, as it's not going anywhere. I didn't say it's pretty, 
don't get me wrong, but yeah.

Now, again, we're really! veering off topic from mac related things, so I'm 
gonna therefore ask that this only be answered off list, as I don't wanna 
generate unneeded traffic here on list, but can someone off list explain to me 
the concept of grade 3 braille?  I hear it's basically more a very contracted 
shorthand kind a thing. Like... you're never really going to see it in official 
writing. I hear it's more for things like notetaking. Would I be correct on 
this theory?
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandt Steenkamp 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances


  Hi there,


  I cannot state my hate for UEB strongly enough. In South Africa it is called 
UBC, for unified Braille code, instead of Unified English Braille. All 11 
official languages in this country was hit by this cluster f*** of a system. 
Let me rather shut up now.


  Hope you all have a grate day.


  Warm regards,


  Brandt Steenkamp


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On 24 Oct 2016, at 11:12 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:


Folks, since my braille reading is still way too slow, I only use Braille 
devices to verify if they behave with our web content. My understanding is that 
JAWS uses dots 7/8 to indicate text attributes but that UEB braille has in line 
6 dot ways of indicating these attributes. What are people's preferences on 
this? Also, if UEB text attribution indicators are used do folks only use the 
dots 7 and 8 for cursor location?






On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:55 PM John Panarese  wrote:

It is best to write to accessibility. I know they are working on it and 
read the feedback. This is extremely important for Braille users, so the more 
they hear, the better. 



  Take Care


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On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


I think it's important to have all the text shown in it's bold or 
italicised and so on as only then one would know how the written word is on 
paper or digitally.  A good braille transcriber will do this for all users who 
use Braille.

That is the only good thing with Jaws, you get flawless braille.  May 
be it will happen on the Mac if we all wrote to Apple and said that we wanted 
better braille support.

Kawal.

  On 22 Oct 2016, at 16:11, Devin Prater  wrote:

  The main thing I miss on Mac that is in NVDA's braille support on 
Windows is formatting information being shown. This includes italicized or 
bolded text in HTML documents. I haven't been able to try Chrome's braille 
support, so I don't know if it supports the showing of formatting information, 
but neither Mac nor iOS show this at all, mainly putting the differently 
formatted text in a different element than the rest, which can get annoying in 
things like Bible apps, where sometimes even lone words are italicized. NVDA 
just shows the text as italicized in braille and moves on, as any good braille 
transcriber would. 

  On 10/22/2016 9:41 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:

I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even 
Sierra is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good on iOS. 
It's great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has improved greatly and 
has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu 
 wrote:
I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless.  I don't 
think Apple will do anything to improve it.  At least Apple have got it right 
on the I phone as I love it.

Kawal.

  On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg  
wrote:

  Hi!
  To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from 
how good it works on windows and Linux.
  I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is 
imho but with no luck.
  So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
  Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
 

Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I only prefer dots 7 8 for the blinking cursor. I don't even like it to 
represent the Voiceover cursor. I, like you, and not a very good braille 
reader. I mean, I'm decent, but definitely am not where I should be! It takes 
me about 5 minutes to read an entire 8X11 sheet of braille paper single spaced 
if that tells you anything.

I suppose dot 7 8 braille is something I could get used to, but right now, my 
finters just are not sensitive enough, and it feels like the dots 7 and 8 run 
into the rest of the braille cell making it very very confusing for me to make 
out each character. If anyone knows a specific exercize when practicing that 
may help me with this, I'd love off list to know! I have a very open mind to 
trying getting used to 7 8 braille, as it really can tell you so much on a 
braille display. I just don't know what it's gonna take to build the 
sensitivity up for me to be able to suffer through it, until finally it become 
second nature, and no longer be a painful task.

I know it's just practice practice practice, but if there specifically are any 
little games or exercizes I can do by myself that may help, I'd love to know.

Anyway, so, yeah, that's my thoughts on dot 7 8, for what it's worth.
---
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Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Cohn 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:12 PM
  Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances


  Folks, since my braille reading is still way too slow, I only use Braille 
devices to verify if they behave with our web content. My understanding is that 
JAWS uses dots 7/8 to indicate text attributes but that UEB braille has in line 
6 dot ways of indicating these attributes. What are people's preferences on 
this? Also, if UEB text attribution indicators are used do folks only use the 
dots 7 and 8 for cursor location?






  On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:55 PM John Panarese  wrote:

  It is best to write to accessibility. I know they are working on it and 
read the feedback. This is extremely important for Braille users, so the more 
they hear, the better. 



Take Care


John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com


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  On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


  I think it's important to have all the text shown in it's bold or 
italicised and so on as only then one would know how the written word is on 
paper or digitally.  A good braille transcriber will do this for all users who 
use Braille.

  That is the only good thing with Jaws, you get flawless braille.  May be 
it will happen on the Mac if we all wrote to Apple and said that we wanted 
better braille support.

  Kawal.

On 22 Oct 2016, at 16:11, Devin Prater  wrote:

The main thing I miss on Mac that is in NVDA's braille support on 
Windows is formatting information being shown. This includes italicized or 
bolded text in HTML documents. I haven't been able to try Chrome's braille 
support, so I don't know if it supports the showing of formatting information, 
but neither Mac nor iOS show this at all, mainly putting the differently 
formatted text in a different element than the rest, which can get annoying in 
things like Bible apps, where sometimes even lone words are italicized. NVDA 
just shows the text as italicized in braille and moves on, as any good braille 
transcriber would. 

On 10/22/2016 9:41 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:

  I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even 
Sierra is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good on iOS. 
It's great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has improved greatly and 
has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.

  On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu  
wrote:
  I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless.  I don't 
think Apple will do anything to improve it.  At least Apple have got it right 
on the I phone as I love it.

  Kawal.

On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg  
wrote:

Hi!
To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from how 
good it works on windows and Linux.
I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is imho 
but with no luck.
So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
/A

  On 14 Oct 2016, at 23:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

  That's exactly what 

Re: Anything new, good or bad, related to voiceover in the new update for Sierra

[Kevin Chao]

Unlock with Watch is more reliable. Aside from other small stability
improvements, I've not noticed anything for VoiceOver in 10.12.1.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 3:48 PM Scott Granados 
wrote:

> I haven’t noticed anything sideways with the new release.  I am noticing
> for example the unlock with watch feature is far more reliable and some
> small things like that.  Also very stable but nothing pro or conn
> accessibility wise.  I don’t recall the post off hand to comment on the
> specific issue.
>
> Thanks
>
> > On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >
> > On one of these two lists, and I don't remember which one, there was a
> cryptic comment not too long ago from someone saying that they were unhappy
> with something about the Sierra beta, which is now the official Sierra
> update. Because they were running a beta, they didn't want to comment on
> what the thing was that they didn't like that had to do with excess
> ability. I haven't installed the update yet, and I'm curious what people
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Re: VMware with MacBook 2015

[Scott Granados]

Hi there, one thing you can do is make sure you have enough cores dedicated.  
On a 13 inch MacBook pro I’d probably go 4 GB for the VM and at least 2 cores 
for the CPU.  Remember it’s 2 cores in software per every real core do to hyper 
threading.  If you have the I5 processor then you have 2 cores so you could 
bump up to 4 but it will impact the Mac side.  It’s a nice little power house 
though so you should be fine.  Also wait a minute after windows boots as the 
boot process is a real drain on resources.

As for voice over, you can use the VM with VO engaged but I find it works 
better with VO off and just activate it when you need it.

Good luck.


> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> I have my MacBook 2015 13 inch, the only windows app that i need is called 
> sibelius for writing down my music notes.
> i installed Vmware v7.5 with windows 7 64 bitand i have only 2 issues:
> 1- after i start up my windows,  i can not do anything until i tern off my 
> Voice over, is it regular?
> 2-  i gave to Vmware Fusion a very goo dram about 6 Gb, but my windows is so 
> heavy, do i miss something inside the settings to make the windows runs 
> smoothly while using it?
> note that i will not use both systems at the same time, so i need to give all 
> my mac power  to windows while using
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Re: Switching iPhone carriers from AT to Verizon

[Scott Granados]

So for you what you want is an unlocked iPhone 7 / 7+.  You need one with the 
Qualcomm modem which I understand the unlocked versions are.  You can’t use a 
GSM model only with Sprint as Sprint’s outdated network still uses CDMA for the 
voice channel and to fill in where there’s no LTE which is large parts of the 
country.

If you get the correct iPhone then yes, it’s literally as easy as swapping SIM 
cards.  You can definitely try out what ever carrier you want and then if you 
like put in your old SIM and reactivate your Sprint service by using the old 
SIM (reactivate is the wrong word just connect to that’s a better way to put 
it).

Switch the SIMs and switch networks, literally that easy.  Something the 
Europeans have been doing for more than a decade before us.:)

Give T-Mobile a shot.  It’s years ahead of Sprint in terms of coverage, speed 
and features.


> On Oct 24, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> With the iPhone 7, if I got it from Apple with the upgrade plan, would those 
> be unlocked as well, or would I be basically signing my life away to Sprint 
> forever doing that? My plan was to get that and then eventually try out a 
> TMobile sim in there to see what their coverage is like in areas I go as 
> opposed to what I have now with Sprint, but I don't want to lose the 
> grandfathered plan I can't go back to if trying TMobile makes me lose 
> coverage where I had it before. I'm pretty sure you can probably take it with 
> a new number to start out with and then port in the old one later, but is it 
> just  that easy now to swap the sim and give it a good test run for a couple 
> weeks while both are still active?
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Scott Granados 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: Switching iPhone carriers from AT to Verizon
>> 
>> Hi Phil, with a 6S+, as long as the phone is unlocked, you can port it to 
>> where ever you wish.  This is not the case with the 7 as Apple went through 
>> unifying the hardware on the 6 / 6s series  but started using different 
>> modems again with the 7 / 7+.
>> 
>> However insure the phone is unlocked.
>> 
>> Also, Verizon may not be the way to go.  As much as I’d love for you to use 
>> my handiwork and there’s a lot of that in the Verizon Wireless network it’s 
>> not the best network any more.  It has fallen in to second place behind 
>> T-Mobile in terms of network speed, features and call stability.  With voice 
>> over LTE using extended services signaling for example your calls go through 
>> faster and more reliably on T-Mobile not to mention the new encoding schemes 
>> which the 6S can take advantage of some of these features.  T-Mobile also 
>> has a more developed WiFi calling feature and is a lot more cost effective 
>> under normal conditions. (***note*** on Verizon you can threaten to cancel 
>> and if you get the right rep get an unlimited plan for $50 but it’s not 
>> offered as a matter of course)  
>> 
>> If I were you I’d get a test SIM from Verizon and one from T-Mobile and try 
>> each for the allowed 14 day period and pick the one that works best for you.
>> 
>> AT and Sprint are both years behind T-Mobile and VZ so either way, you’ll 
>> be happier.
>> 
>> Good luck and let us know how you make out.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Phil Halton >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here's a question for the techies on the list. I have an I phone 6S plus 
>>> that I purchased through the Apple store, and with AT as a carrier, and 
>>> I'm thinking about switching to Verizon wireless. Can IPort this phone 
>>> over to Verizon, or is the whole GSM/CDMA thing still happening?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
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VMware with MacBook 2015

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
I have my MacBook 2015 13 inch, the only windows app that i need is called 
sibelius for writing down my music notes.
i installed Vmware v7.5 with windows 7 64 bitand i have only 2 issues:
1- after i start up my windows,  i can not do anything until i tern off my 
Voice over, is it regular?
2-  i gave to Vmware Fusion a very goo dram about 6 Gb, but my windows is so 
heavy, do i miss something inside the settings to make the windows runs 
smoothly while using it?
note that i will not use both systems at the same time, so i need to give all 
my mac power  to windows while using
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Re: Switching iPhone carriers from AT to Verizon

[Brent Harding]

With the iPhone 7, if I got it from Apple with the upgrade plan, would those be 
unlocked as well, or would I be basically signing my life away to Sprint 
forever doing that? My plan was to get that and then eventually try out a 
TMobile sim in there to see what their coverage is like in areas I go as 
opposed to what I have now with Sprint, but I don't want to lose the 
grandfathered plan I can't go back to if trying TMobile makes me lose coverage 
where I had it before. I'm pretty sure you can probably take it with a new 
number to start out with and then port in the old one later, but is it just 
that easy now to swap the sim and give it a good test run for a couple weeks 
while both are still active?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Switching iPhone carriers from AT to Verizon


  Hi Phil, with a 6S+, as long as the phone is unlocked, you can port it to 
where ever you wish.  This is not the case with the 7 as Apple went through 
unifying the hardware on the 6 / 6s series  but started using different modems 
again with the 7 / 7+.


  However insure the phone is unlocked.


  Also, Verizon may not be the way to go.  As much as I’d love for you to use 
my handiwork and there’s a lot of that in the Verizon Wireless network it’s not 
the best network any more.  It has fallen in to second place behind T-Mobile in 
terms of network speed, features and call stability.  With voice over LTE using 
extended services signaling for example your calls go through faster and more 
reliably on T-Mobile not to mention the new encoding schemes which the 6S can 
take advantage of some of these features.  T-Mobile also has a more developed 
WiFi calling feature and is a lot more cost effective under normal conditions. 
(***note*** on Verizon you can threaten to cancel and if you get the right rep 
get an unlimited plan for $50 but it’s not offered as a matter of course)  


  If I were you I’d get a test SIM from Verizon and one from T-Mobile and try 
each for the allowed 14 day period and pick the one that works best for you.


  AT and Sprint are both years behind T-Mobile and VZ so either way, you’ll 
be happier.


  Good luck and let us know how you make out.









On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:


Here's a question for the techies on the list. I have an I phone 6S plus 
that I purchased through the Apple store, and with AT as a carrier, and I'm 
thinking about switching to Verizon wireless. Can IPort this phone over to 
Verizon, or is the whole GSM/CDMA thing still happening?



Sent from my IPhone




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Re: Saving a document under many folders, and input short cut

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Hi there,

What I usually do, check the disclosure checkbox, Then make sure you are in 
column view, you will then be able to browns to the folder where you want to 
save your document.

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> I have 2 questions:
> 1- if i need to save a document from pages or text edit, on my downloads but 
> not on the root of my downloads, let’s say that i created a folder inside 
> downloads called docs, and i need to save y document inside it, There is no 
> way to do this from pages or text edit, i have only to choose the root place, 
> like downloads, iCloud etc, do you have a solution?
> 2- i need to find a short cut to make me switch between 2 input sources on 
> keyboard, i’m now using the input menu, can i find  something easier?
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Saving a document under many folders, and input short cut

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
I have 2 questions:
1- if i need to save a document from pages or text edit, on my downloads but 
not on the root of my downloads, let’s say that i created a folder inside 
downloads called docs, and i need to save y document inside it, There is no way 
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keyboard, i’m now using the input menu, can i find  something easier?
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Re: Anything new, good or bad, related to voiceover in the new update for Sierra

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I haven’t noticed anything sideways with the new release.  I am noticing for 
example the unlock with watch feature is far more reliable and some small 
things like that.  Also very stable but nothing pro or conn accessibility wise. 
 I don’t recall the post off hand to comment on the specific issue.

Thanks

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> with something about the Sierra beta, which is now the official Sierra 
> update. Because they were running a beta, they didn't want to comment on what 
> the thing was that they didn't like that had to do with excess ability. I 
> haven't installed the update yet, and I'm curious what people have noticed, 
> good or bad who have installed the latest update.
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Anything new, good or bad, related to voiceover in the new update for Sierra

[Mary Otten]

On one of these two lists, and I don't remember which one, there was a cryptic 
comment not too long ago from someone saying that they were unhappy with 
something about the Sierra beta, which is now the official Sierra update. 
Because they were running a beta, they didn't want to comment on what the thing 
was that they didn't like that had to do with excess ability. I haven't 
installed the update yet, and I'm curious what people have noticed, good or bad 
who have installed the latest update.


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Re: Stress testing the MacBook Pro

[Scott Granados]

Hi there, all Intel chips I’m aware of have such a cutoff.  In fact all modern 
microprocessors I’m aware of have this feature.  Certainly an I5 will be fine 
and if anything less warm than an I7 do to the power requirements.

You should be good to go.

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
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> Hi tgere,
> 
> Does the I5 also have the thermal cut off? That is all I have, though no 
> problems here.
> 
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> 
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>> On 25 Oct 2016, at 12:12 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> There is a thermal cutoff built in to the I7 as well as one on the battery.  
>> You should be good to go.   Just remember that MacBook 15 tends to get very 
>> toasty.  I brought it up to 16 virtual machines the other day each dedicated 
>> with a core and between 256 and 512 MB and the fan never shut off but it ran 
>> nicely all be it burned through that battery awful fast.
>> 
>> You should be good to go and the thermal cutoffs will save your bacon or 
>> your trouser area depending on where you are using that laptop.;)
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Brandt Steenkamp >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there folks,
>>> 
>>> Just a quick question, if you over heat the MacBook Pro, will it shut it 
>>> self down like some of the other laptops out there?
>>> 
>>> I know my old HP ProBook 4510S use to do so whenever it got to hot.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: Stress testing the MacBook Pro

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi tgere,

Does the I5 also have the thermal cut off? That is all I have, though no 
problems here.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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> On 25 Oct 2016, at 12:12 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> There is a thermal cutoff built in to the I7 as well as one on the battery.  
> You should be good to go.   Just remember that MacBook 15 tends to get very 
> toasty.  I brought it up to 16 virtual machines the other day each dedicated 
> with a core and between 256 and 512 MB and the fan never shut off but it ran 
> nicely all be it burned through that battery awful fast.
> 
> You should be good to go and the thermal cutoffs will save your bacon or your 
> trouser area depending on where you are using that laptop.;)
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Brandt Steenkamp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there folks,
>> 
>> Just a quick question, if you over heat the MacBook Pro, will it shut it 
>> self down like some of the other laptops out there?
>> 
>> I know my old HP ProBook 4510S use to do so whenever it got to hot.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
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Re: Switching iPhone carriers from AT to Verizon

[Scott Granados]

Hi Phil, with a 6S+, as long as the phone is unlocked, you can port it to where 
ever you wish.  This is not the case with the 7 as Apple went through unifying 
the hardware on the 6 / 6s series  but started using different modems again 
with the 7 / 7+.

However insure the phone is unlocked.

Also, Verizon may not be the way to go.  As much as I’d love for you to use my 
handiwork and there’s a lot of that in the Verizon Wireless network it’s not 
the best network any more.  It has fallen in to second place behind T-Mobile in 
terms of network speed, features and call stability.  With voice over LTE using 
extended services signaling for example your calls go through faster and more 
reliably on T-Mobile not to mention the new encoding schemes which the 6S can 
take advantage of some of these features.  T-Mobile also has a more developed 
WiFi calling feature and is a lot more cost effective under normal conditions. 
(***note*** on Verizon you can threaten to cancel and if you get the right rep 
get an unlimited plan for $50 but it’s not offered as a matter of course)  

If I were you I’d get a test SIM from Verizon and one from T-Mobile and try 
each for the allowed 14 day period and pick the one that works best for you.

AT and Sprint are both years behind T-Mobile and VZ so either way, you’ll be 
happier.

Good luck and let us know how you make out.


 


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Stress testing the MacBook Pro

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi there folks,

Just a quick question, if you over heat the MacBook Pro, will it shut it self 
down like some of the other laptops out there?

I know my old HP ProBook 4510S use to do so whenever it got to hot.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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Re: Stress testing the MacBook Pro

[Scott Granados]

There is a thermal cutoff built in to the I7 as well as one on the battery.  
You should be good to go.   Just remember that MacBook 15 tends to get very 
toasty.  I brought it up to 16 virtual machines the other day each dedicated 
with a core and between 256 and 512 MB and the fan never shut off but it ran 
nicely all be it burned through that battery awful fast.

You should be good to go and the thermal cutoffs will save your bacon or your 
trouser area depending on where you are using that laptop.;)

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi there folks,
> 
> Just a quick question, if you over heat the MacBook Pro, will it shut it self 
> down like some of the other laptops out there?
> 
> I know my old HP ProBook 4510S use to do so whenever it got to hot.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi there,

I cannot state my hate for UEB strongly enough. In South Africa it is called 
UBC, for unified Braille code, instead of Unified English Braille. All 11 
official languages in this country was hit by this cluster f*** of a system. 
Let me rather shut up now.

Hope you all have a grate day.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

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> On 24 Oct 2016, at 11:12 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Folks, since my braille reading is still way too slow, I only use Braille 
> devices to verify if they behave with our web content. My understanding is 
> that JAWS uses dots 7/8 to indicate text attributes but that UEB braille has 
> in line 6 dot ways of indicating these attributes. What are people's 
> preferences on this? Also, if UEB text attribution indicators are used do 
> folks only use the dots 7 and 8 for cursor location?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:55 PM John Panarese  > wrote:
>   It is best to write to accessibility. I know they are working on it and 
> read the feedback. This is extremely important for Braille users, so the more 
> they hear, the better. 
> 
> 
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>> On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> I think it's important to have all the text shown in it's bold or italicised 
>> and so on as only then one would know how the written word is on paper or 
>> digitally.  A good braille transcriber will do this for all users who use 
>> Braille.
>> 
>> That is the only good thing with Jaws, you get flawless braille.  May be it 
>> will happen on the Mac if we all wrote to Apple and said that we wanted 
>> better braille support.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 16:11, Devin Prater >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The main thing I miss on Mac that is in NVDA's braille support on Windows 
>>> is formatting information being shown. This includes italicized or bolded 
>>> text in HTML documents. I haven't been able to try Chrome's braille 
>>> support, so I don't know if it supports the showing of formatting 
>>> information, but neither Mac nor iOS show this at all, mainly putting the 
>>> differently formatted text in a different element than the rest, which can 
>>> get annoying in things like Bible apps, where sometimes even lone words are 
>>> italicized. NVDA just shows the text as italicized in braille and moves on, 
>>> as any good braille transcriber would. 
>>> 
>>> On 10/22/2016 9:41 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
 I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even Sierra 
 is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good on iOS. 
 It's great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has improved 
 greatly and has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.
 
 On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless.  I don't think 
 Apple will do anything to improve it.  At least Apple have got it right on 
 the I phone as I love it.
 
 Kawal.
> On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from how good 
> it works on windows and Linux.
> I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is imho but 
> with no luck.
> So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
> Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
> /A
>> On 14 Oct 2016, at 23:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> That's exactly what I did. I set up a commander to mute Speech. I really 
>> wonder why they didn't natively give us a command to do this aside from 
>> the trackpad commander. What if you're like me, and don't have a 
>> track/touch pad? I really don't think Apple thought that one through the 
>> greatest. LOL!
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Switching iPhone carriers from AT to Verizon

[Phil Halton]

Here's a question for the techies on the list. I have an I phone 6S plus that I 
purchased through the Apple store, and with AT as a carrier, and I'm thinking 
about switching to Verizon wireless. Can IPort this phone over to Verizon, 
or is the whole GSM/CDMA thing still happening?


Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Formatting a document in pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
I think i can find the solution, i found all the formatter etc, inside the tool 
bar.
so, it’s ok now, but my big issue that i searched but can not find a solution 
is the input source, i need to change my input source between arabic and 
english keyboard, pressing Command space opens the spot lite, so, how can i 
switch  between he 2 languages?
Thanks

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 9:59 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> Hello all:
> I start Reading the My mac pages, and i created a new document, and i checked 
> the document setup inside the inspector under the view menu, but i followed 
> the book, it said  that i will find a place to choose the page size, printer 
> name etc, i can’t find this menu at all. did i miss something?
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Braille Navigation annoyances

[Jonathan Cohn]

Folks, since my braille reading is still way too slow, I only use Braille
devices to verify if they behave with our web content. My understanding is
that JAWS uses dots 7/8 to indicate text attributes but that UEB braille
has in line 6 dot ways of indicating these attributes. What are people's
preferences on this? Also, if UEB text attribution indicators are used do
folks only use the dots 7 and 8 for cursor location?



On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:55 PM John Panarese  wrote:

>   It is best to write to accessibility. I know they are working on it and
> read the feedback. This is extremely important for Braille users, so the
> more they hear, the better.
>
>
> Take Care
>
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> On Oct 22, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> I think it's important to have all the text shown in it's bold or
> italicised and so on as only then one would know how the written word is on
> paper or digitally.  A good braille transcriber will do this for all users
> who use Braille.
>
> That is the only good thing with Jaws, you get flawless braille.  May be
> it will happen on the Mac if we all wrote to Apple and said that we wanted
> better braille support.
>
> Kawal.
>
> On 22 Oct 2016, at 16:11, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> The main thing I miss on Mac that is in NVDA's braille support on Windows
> is formatting information being shown. This includes italicized or bolded
> text in HTML documents. I haven't been able to try Chrome's braille
> support, so I don't know if it supports the showing of formatting
> information, but neither Mac nor iOS show this at all, mainly putting the
> differently formatted text in a different element than the rest, which can
> get annoying in things like Bible apps, where sometimes even lone words are
> italicized. NVDA just shows the text as italicized in braille and moves on,
> as any good braille transcriber would.
>
> On 10/22/2016 9:41 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>
> I'm glad to know I'm not alone in feeling that Braille on Mac, even Sierra
> is non-delightful/productive. It's too bad,, as it's quite good on iOS.
> It's great that Chrome OS (ChromeBook) Braille support has improved greatly
> and has leaped other platforms with ChromeVox Next.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:26 PM Kawal Gucukoglu 
> wrote:
> I have given up using braille on the Mac as it's hopeless.  I don't think
> Apple will do anything to improve it.  At least Apple have got it right on
> the I phone as I love it.
>
> Kawal.
>
> On 19 Oct 2016, at 19:09, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>
> Hi!
> To be honest i seldom use braille on my mac as its decades from how good
> it works on windows and Linux.
> I have mailed the accessibility team about how poor braille is imho but
> with no luck.
> So i gave it up a couple of years ago.
> Maybe i should begin from scratch again.
> /A
>
> On 14 Oct 2016, at 23:55, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:
>
> That's exactly what I did. I set up a commander to mute Speech. I really
> wonder why they didn't natively give us a command to do this aside from the
> trackpad commander. What if you're like me, and don't have a track/touch
> pad? I really don't think Apple thought that one through the greatest. LOL!
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> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley" <
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> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Braille Navigation annoyances
>
>
> Hi,
> For the speech when moving between items, could you mute VoiceOver while
> reading to solve this issue by ensuring that keyboard commander is on with
> VO shift K and pressing right option d?
> Second, I can duplicate the issue of routing keys not working, both on a
> BrailleNote Apex BT 32 and a Brailliant BI 32. I don’t know what’s going
> on, but it’s really annoying. Anyone who can help with this would be
> awesome.
> HTH,
> Aleeha
>
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El
> Capitan.
>
> I have a few questions, please.
>
> First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8
> braille.  I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text
> Edit, Pages, Mail, wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though
> contracted braille is enabled, I’m finding that the current word under the
> cursor is getting expanded to computer braille. I’ve looked in the
> Voiceover utility under the Braille 

Re: T-Mobile carrier update available

[Scott Granados]

Hi Mary, this is for all customers not just the beta as it was sent over the 
air, not as part of the download package.

Daniel, as for whether it’s for the iPhone 6, I am not sure of that.  Most 
carriers unify their iPhone releases but with the fractured state of modems on 
GSM networks now I am not sure.  I am using an iPhone 7+ for reference.

Thank you

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> This might be for people using the beta and not for people not using the 
> beta. I am using the beta, and I just checked and the update was there.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 24, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Daniel C  > wrote:
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>> Are you sure this carrier update is for all iPhone's? Or for certain one's?
>> I have an iPhone 6 and the update didn't install for my phone, which is an 
>> iPhone 6 on T-Mobile.
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Re: Answering calls on Skype?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Wow Doug, I had totally forgotten about that one.

Thanks!


On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 3:11 PM Doug Lee  wrote:

> In case it's still useful here...
>
> I still maintain a program called Clisk, which stands for Command Line
> Interface for Skype. Among its
> features, it allows person-specific auto-answers. For those not accustomed
> to command-line interfaces though,
> it may be a bit daunting. Its functionality is also being eroded by
> Microsoft as they transfer Skype to a
> cloud-based system and stop supporting parts of the Desktop API that Clisk
> uses.
>
> The web page for Clisk is http://www.dlee.org/skype/clisk/
>
> There is a manual there as well as download access. 32-bit Python is
> required, but I think that still comes
> standard with MacOS.
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 06:49:51PM +0100, christopher hallsworth wrote:
> Lol! Cheers for the advice, I will leave that checkbox alone then.
> > On 23 Oct 2016, at 02:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
> clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, it will, so you probably don't wanna go that route for privacy sake.
> >
> > Oh, crap! I didn't wanna have you hear me in the bathroom farting away
> when you called.  LOL! I'm just kidding with ya, Chris, but you get the
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> > To: "Macvisionaries" 
> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 2:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Answering calls on Skype?
> >
> >
> > Cheers! So, if I check the automatic answer checkbox, will it, like,
> answer straight away? Not like what a typical answering machine will do?
> >
> >
> >> On 22 Oct 2016, at 19:15, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Chris.
> >>
> >> There are two ways of answering on Skype,  in your preferences, you can
> get Skype to answer your calls automatically.  Other wise, I just vo right
> arrow twice to the answer call button and press vo space.  If there is
> another way, please would someone say so.
> >>
> >> Kawal.
> >>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 07:42, christopher hallsworth <
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> >>> How does one answer calls on Skype? Any responses greatly appreciated.
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Re: T-Mobile carrier update available

[Mary Otten]

This might be for people using the beta and not for people not using the beta. 
I am using the beta, and I just checked and the update was there.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: T-Mobile carrier update available

[Daniel C]

Are you sure this carrier update is for all iPhone's? Or for certain one's?
I have an iPhone 6 and the update didn't install for my phone, which is an 
iPhone 6 on T-Mobile.

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Formatting a document in pages

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:
 I start Reading the My mac pages, and i created a new document, and i checked 
the document setup inside the inspector under the view menu, but i followed the 
book, it said  that i will find a place to choose the page size, printer name 
etc, i can’t find this menu at all. did i miss something?
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Re: Moving an item to the dock.

[E.T.]

   If you opened the app, look for it on the dock then right click it 
and select options then select keep in dock.


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On 10/24/2016 12:46 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

I’m running El Capatan and cannot figure out how to move things to the dock.
Can someone please help.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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Re: Moving an item to the dock.

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks so much.
That did the trick.
Peace,  
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> On Oct 24, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> CTRL + CMD + Shift + t
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
>> Am 24.10.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Stacey Robinson :
>> 
>> I’m running El Capatan and cannot figure out how to move things to the dock.
>> Can someone please help.
>> Peace,   
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
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Re: Moving an item to the dock.

[Jürgen Fleger]

CTRL + CMD + Shift + t

All the best
Jürgen

> Am 24.10.2016 um 21:46 schrieb Stacey Robinson :
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> I’m running El Capatan and cannot figure out how to move things to the dock.
> Can someone please help.
> Peace,
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Moving an item to the dock.

[Stacey Robinson]

I’m running El Capatan and cannot figure out how to move things to the dock.
Can someone please help.
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T-Mobile carrier update available

[Scott Granados]

For folks using an iPhone on T-Mobile, a carrier update was pushed today.

The number is 26.1.  Causing an update is easy.  Open settings, general and hit 
about.  If an update is available you’ll be prompted to install, hit OK and 
wait about 30 seconds.  Your cellular settings will reset.  To check your 
carrier settings version use the about screen and flick over to carrier 
version, insure it’s 26.1.

Good luck

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Apple software release day, iOS 10.1, watch os 3.1, tvOS 10.1

[Scott Granados]

Looks like Apple is pushing out public updates today.  These include IOS 10.1, 
watch OS 3.1, TVOS 10.1 and Mac OSX 10.1.  Redmond pie is the source and I’m 
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Re: What does enable Message Filter actually do?

[christopher hallsworth]

Lol! Yes, it does something, but there is no way to change exactly what it 
does, not in classic view anyway.
> On 24 Oct 2016, at 12:20, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, it does something. lol  I still use Classic view.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 1:54 AM, christopher hallsworth 
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>> Hi
>> 
>> I have a question, does the new message filtering not even work in classic 
>> view? It says it’s enabled when I press command-l or do it from the view 
>> menu, but can I find it? Can I heck. I did see it in standard view though. 
>> Cheers for any responses.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23 Oct 2016, at 21:57, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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>>> It is new in current OS. Once you click filter a button appears saying 
>>> something like filter unread messages. If you click that button you can 
>>> change the filter to various things including:
>>> flagged messages
>>> messages addressed to me in either the to or cc field.
>>> messages with attachments.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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 so now I'm curious.  I didn't even know that menu item existed.  What does 
 it do besides make one's inbox disappear?
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Still cannot delete mail messages

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all, I’m frustrated over here.  I am still unable to delete messages like I 
always use to be.  They just keep reappearing.

What I have just tried and it seems to work is select all the messages I want 
to delete, then go through the sub menus and move to trash.  The messages 
finally left the current mailbox.  I am not sure this is the behavior I really 
want though.

Any further advice or tips?

Thanks,
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Re: Activity Popover Button

[E.T.]

   Ooops. Let me try that again. Command-option-L. I better run out and 
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On 10/24/2016 8:57 AM, Daniel C wrote:

Interesting key stroke, command plus shift plus L. I will try to
remember this. Thanks for the keystroke.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2016, at 09:52, E.T. > wrote:


  I should have waited until I tried this. Decided to start new
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  Command-shift-L does work for this. It also brought up a dialog
asking if I wanted iTunes to automatically download content. I said
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On 10/23/2016 9:36 PM, Daniel C wrote:

That is the same question I have is well. To my recollection, there is
no shortcut key for that button. Then again, I could be  wrong about
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Re: Activity Popover Button

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Interesting key stroke, command plus shift plus L. I will try to remember this. 
Thanks for the keystroke.

Sent from my iPhone

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>   I should have waited until I tried this. Decided to start new downloads 
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Re: Tapback Messages

[E.T.]

   Maybe in the next update. Thanks.

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On 10/23/2016 12:55 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

Tapbacks aren't currently accessible.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus


On Oct 23, 2016, at 1:00 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  In macOS Sierra how does one invoke this feature? I do not see it on the 
context menu.

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Re: Activity Popover Button

[E.T.]

   I should have waited until I tried this. Decided to start new 
downloads while busy elsewhere.


   Command-shift-L does work for this. It also brought up a dialog 
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That is the same question I have is well. To my recollection, there is
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Re: iCloud Documents and Data that are hidden

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I suspect that they're hidden so that we don't mess things up by accident.  It 
is possible to see these files via the Terminal as well as creating an alias 
for the Mobile Documents folder on your Desktop.  Be careful though when it 
comes to deleting as this is a shared space.  That is, iCloud Drive is shared 
between all your Macs and iDevices.  Therefore, if you remove it from the 
iCloud Drive on your Mac, it is also removing access to it for any iDevices 
that depend on that data.

In the future, iCloud Drive may become more granular, similar to Google Drive, 
where you can configure what's placed locally vs what's left in the Cloud, but 
it's not there yet.

Later...

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On Oct 23, 2016, at 20:05, Grant  wrote:

Hi all,

I’m wondering if anyone knows a way to see (and possibly delete) “hidden” 
iCloud data that doesn’t show up in the user interface. It would be great if 
one had the option of “starting over” so to speak.

For example, I think iCloud stores containers for every app I’ve ever 
installed, some of which aren’t visible in iCloud’s “manage storage” settings 
or in iCloud Drive on a Mac or PC. However, I can see traces of them here and 
there.

To give just one example, if I do a spotlight search on my Mac, I can see a 
folder under ~/Library/Mobile Documents/SE69VQ73SR~com~mipsoft~blindsquare. 
Presumably this is the container for the BlindSquare iOS app which would have 
my database of favourite points of interest and other settings. And, presumably 
the reason this is showing up on my Mac is because the Mac stores everything in 
my iCloud account.

Now, I definitely wouldn’t want to erase that particular container and I’m glad 
it’s there, but the point is I’d love to be able to view all the data stored in 
my account and have the option of deleting some of it. I’m not a developer, but 
I think developers have the option of hiding their ubiquity containers if they 
so choose.

What do you think?

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Re: Activity Popover Button

[E.T.]

   I need to work with this some more so I know I am really getting all 
my content. Which I have not. After 2-3 hours last night, I expected all 
of it to be on my Mac.


   So I will have another go at this activity popup.

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Re: ogg files in latest itunes on osx siera?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Deedra:

You can play any of the Ziph/Vorbis codecs, opus, flac, ogg, etc., using
either mplayer or vlc.

Yes, Apple is, and has always been, quite allergic to these open source
codecs, but I suspect this is one battle they do not win.

I've found vlc quite accessible on my Airbook. Mplayer works perfectly
from the command line on Mac, though we know how compelling the Mac
terminal isn't! 

If memory serves, the mplayer build for Mac is Source Forge, and there's
an extended version at:

http://mplayerosx.ch


VLC is available from http://videolan.org

Janina


deedra waters writes:
> is there a way to play ogg files in this latest version of osx and  itunes? 
> with looking around i can’t really find any answers and dont really want to 
> convert files to mp3  unless i have to we’ve got a ton of ogg files so this 
> could get tedious.
> deedra waters
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what in the world is up with all these crazy Safari menus

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

Using the latest version of Safari and I noticed that every single time I open 
a web page, I get all kinds of crazy pop up menus which don’t seem to  last 
long enough for me to try to understand what in the name of sanity they are 
supposed to be for.  Anybody got any idea wha all this is about and how I can 
just shut these off or else learn to manipulate them?  Somehow, these menus 
seem in some way to be linked to address bar but can’t ever be sure.

Thanks.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

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Re: IOS version

[Scott Granados]

Hi, going to the beta will not erase your content and settings.

What you’ll find with the Beta is it runs a lot smoother than the production 
version, not many other differences.  The stability is worth it, especially on 
beta 5.

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 1:51 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Is going back to Beta going to give me any benefits than running the current 
> production version?
> 
> I'm still getting everything setup on my 7+ now, 
> 
> Remind me, 
> Will installing the beta wipe it back to scratch?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 24 October 2016 4:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS version
> 
> Simon, what that’s for is an attempt to fix some communication issues on the 
> cell side.  If you really want to get the most out of that iPhone 7+ I highly 
> suggest installing the beta.  There are updated carrier codes for several 
> providers and a vastly improved bluetooth stack.  That’s why you have a .03 
> though is a rushed attempt to fix some issues on shipping.  They aren’t fixed 
> but they are in the beta.  For the 7 and 7+ only I suggest installing and 
> updating to beta 5 straight away.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Cheers ET,
>> 
>> Still can't figure out what it gives but then didn't really take notice of 
>> it's install.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 24 October 2016 2:41 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS version
>> 
>>   Correct. .3 is for iPhone 7/7 plus only.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 10/23/2016 6:32 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi Listers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve just noticed that the IOS version on my iphone 7+ is 10.0.3,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But on my iPad 4 and iPod are IOS 10.0.2
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And there appears to be no update for the iPad Ipod or my old 6s+.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else noticed this and why is there a difference in 
>>> versions between the devices?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon F
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: IOS team Viewer

[Scott Granados]

Anne this is big news, thank you.

This actually could help a lot of us in the tech space and if true could open 
up a new class of jobs.

Very good news, thanks for updating us.

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 2:13 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Simon,
> 
> You have to get the password from the slave machine before a connexion can be 
> established.
> We use TeamViewer for distance training. The ID always remains the same, but 
> the password changes for each connexion.
> A session is limited to three hours.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2016, at 08:04, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anne,
>>  
>> So your saying that team viewer for the mac will allow me to connect to my 
>> mac mini at work from my MBA  and let me start up VO on the mini and run  it 
>> from the team viewer connection?
>>  
>> Giving me the ability to do what I can do from my windows machine to my 
>> servers using Jaws!
>>  
>> Thanks Anne,
>>  
>> Great I’ll give that a go and see what happens,
>>  
>> Wish we could  do remote access from IOS devices such as my iPad or iPhone.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Monday, 24 October 2016 6:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: IOS team Viewer
>>  
>> Hello Simon,
>>  
>> Forget about TeamViewer for iOS, it’s hopeless, even for sighted people. 
>> However, TeamViewer for Mac works great. You can pilot the other person’s 
>> computer using VoiceOver, as long as you turn VoiceOver off on the master 
>> computer.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Anne
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On 24 Oct 2016, at 04:43, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> Has anyone used or tried using the application “Team Viewer” from their IOS 
>> device or Mac computer?
>> I’m looking for a remote admin tool and this has been suggested but I wasn’t 
>> aware if it’s accessible to VO on either platform.
>>  
>> Thanks for any info on this.
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Re: What does enable Message Filter actually do?

[Donna Goodin]

Well, it does something. lol  I still use Classic view.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Oct 24, 2016, at 1:54 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
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> Hi
> 
> I have a question, does the new message filtering not even work in classic 
> view? It says it’s enabled when I press command-l or do it from the view 
> menu, but can I find it? Can I heck. I did see it in standard view though. 
> Cheers for any responses.
> 
> 
>> On 23 Oct 2016, at 21:57, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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>> It is new in current OS. Once you click filter a button appears saying 
>> something like filter unread messages. If you click that button you can 
>> change the filter to various things including:
>> flagged messages
>> messages addressed to me in either the to or cc field.
>> messages with attachments.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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>>> so now I'm curious.  I didn't even know that menu item existed.  What does 
>>> it do besides make one's inbox disappear?
>>> Cheers,
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The archives for 

A way to play chess online

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi there folks,

I use to play on the FICS chess server using Winboard in Windows, that is, when 
I still had a dedicated Windows computer; something I do not gaqve any more. Is 
there a way to do so in macOS? I tried using telnet, but that is not a 
practical solution for various reasons. among others, voiceover reacting to 
slow in time sensitive situations, such as blitz or lightning games.

If anyone can help, I would be very grateful.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

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Re: Any one have any news on GPG for Sierra?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Mailmate is supposed to support Gpg, however it didn’t quite match my workflow, 
too bad since it was a nice mail client.
/Krister

> 24 okt. 2016 kl. 00:35 skrev Michelle Hurdt :
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I know there is Alpine, but if you want something with a Gui, I don't know.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 10/23/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> I’ve been googling and even installed 2016.10 the latest GPG but no love for
>> Apple mail.  (worked in El Capitan)  Anyone have any news as to when this
>> will be addressed or better yet have an accessible mail client suggestion
>> that works on the Mac and supports GPG?  Any pointers would be most
>> appreciated.
>> 
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Re: What does enable Message Filter actually do?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

I have a question, does the new message filtering not even work in classic 
view? It says it’s enabled when I press command-l or do it from the view menu, 
but can I find it? Can I heck. I did see it in standard view though. Cheers for 
any responses.


> On 23 Oct 2016, at 21:57, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> It is new in current OS. Once you click filter a button appears saying 
> something like filter unread messages. If you click that button you can 
> change the filter to various things including:
> flagged messages
> messages addressed to me in either the to or cc field.
> messages with attachments.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
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>> it do besides make one's inbox disappear?
>> Cheers,
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Re: IOS team Viewer

[christopher hallsworth]

Sounds great! May look into the mac version in the future so I can pilot my 
girlfriend’s first ever mac she will be receiving for Christmas if and when 
necessary.
> On 24 Oct 2016, at 06:51, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Simon,
> 
> Forget about TeamViewer for iOS, it’s hopeless, even for sighted people. 
> However, TeamViewer for Mac works great. You can pilot the other person’s 
> computer using VoiceOver, as long as you turn VoiceOver off on the master 
> computer.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2016, at 04:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>>  
>> Has anyone used or tried using the application “Team Viewer” from their IOS 
>> device or Mac computer?
>> I’m looking for a remote admin tool and this has been suggested but I wasn’t 
>> aware if it’s accessible to VO on either platform.
>>  
>> Thanks for any info on this.
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Re: IOS team Viewer

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Simon,

You have to get the password from the slave machine before a connexion can be 
established.
We use TeamViewer for distance training. The ID always remains the same, but 
the password changes for each connexion.
A session is limited to three hours.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 24 Oct 2016, at 08:04, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi Anne,
>  
> So your saying that team viewer for the mac will allow me to connect to my 
> mac mini at work from my MBA  and let me start up VO on the mini and run  it 
> from the team viewer connection?
>  
> Giving me the ability to do what I can do from my windows machine to my 
> servers using Jaws!
>  
> Thanks Anne,
>  
> Great I’ll give that a go and see what happens,
>  
> Wish we could  do remote access from IOS devices such as my iPad or iPhone.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> ] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Monday, 24 October 2016 6:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: IOS team Viewer
>  
> Hello Simon,
>  
> Forget about TeamViewer for iOS, it’s hopeless, even for sighted people. 
> However, TeamViewer for Mac works great. You can pilot the other person’s 
> computer using VoiceOver, as long as you turn VoiceOver off on the master 
> computer.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Anne
>  
>  
>  
> On 24 Oct 2016, at 04:43, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Hi List,
>  
> Has anyone used or tried using the application “Team Viewer” from their IOS 
> device or Mac computer?
> I’m looking for a remote admin tool and this has been suggested but I wasn’t 
> aware if it’s accessible to VO on either platform.
>  
> Thanks for any info on this.
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RE: IOS team Viewer

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Anne,

So your saying that team viewer for the mac will allow me to connect to my mac 
mini at work from my MBA  and let me start up VO on the mini and run  it from 
the team viewer connection?

Giving me the ability to do what I can do from my windows machine to my servers 
using Jaws!

Thanks Anne,

Great I’ll give that a go and see what happens,

Wish we could  do remote access from IOS devices such as my iPad or iPhone.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2016 6:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS team Viewer

Hello Simon,

Forget about TeamViewer for iOS, it’s hopeless, even for sighted people. 
However, TeamViewer for Mac works great. You can pilot the other person’s 
computer using VoiceOver, as long as you turn VoiceOver off on the master 
computer.

Cheers,

Anne



On 24 Oct 2016, at 04:43, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi List,

Has anyone used or tried using the application “Team Viewer” from their IOS 
device or Mac computer?
I’m looking for a remote admin tool and this has been suggested but I wasn’t 
aware if it’s accessible to VO on either platform.

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Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Maria Chapman]

Hmmm I run a usb hub and wireless headphones that run on usb.  Will there be 
adaptors available to still be able to run devices?

Maria

> On 19 Oct 2016, at 4:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to discuss.  
> Includes expectations about the up coming release of the laptops including 
> the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook taking the place of the 11 
> inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the MacBook air 13, and changes to 
> the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the source has a hit and miss record 
> with rumors, it does indicate that it matches other reports from more 
> reliable sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be interested in comments, 
> I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
>   The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
> keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included is 
> USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a little 
> bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just because) and 
> the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
> What do you all think?
> 
> Read more here.
> http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
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