date:20190901


Marie,
   Under the trackpad tab in the commanders category, it's the very 
first option you come to. Uncheck it.


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On 9/1/2019 9:43 PM, Marie wrote:
To be absolutely honest, I was so frustrated that, for the moment, I 
have the track pad covered to avoid accidental movement of the cursor. 
Tomorrow I will see what I can do and will try the rotor first. My issue 
was that once in the voice over utility I went down to Commanders but 
then could not figure out how to  disable the track pad.The hints are 
not very clear in that area, for me.

Marie

-Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Track Pad On

    Did you try it. (smiles) If that does not work, go back into VO
Utility and disable it there.

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On 9/1/2019 6:54 PM, Marie wrote:
This is a 2013 model, running Mojave, so does this work on the track 
pad? I was thinking the rotor only worked on newer models. Hope I am 
wrong and thanks for the  info.

Marie


-Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:44 PM
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Subject: Re: Track Pad On

    Try pressing the VO keys and rotating two fingers counterclockwise
on the track pad.

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On 9/1/2019 6:18 PM, Marie N wrote:
Okay, big oops. Last night I was using the voice over utility and did 
not close it before quitting. This morning before I got locked in I 
was placing a
marker on the esc. key and somehow accidentally got into the track 
pad commander and turned it on. I had a hard time getting logged in 
but when I did, naturally
I tried to turn the track pad back off. NO luck, so I am apparently 
doing something very wrong. Could someone give me some step by step, 
please?


Marie







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RE: opening zip files

Great stuff!

 

Hem.

 

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Sent: 02 September 2019 10:14
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Subject: RE: opening zip files

 

Highlight the file and hit command & o  then listen to what’s happening.

 

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Hi all,

 

How do we open zip files on a Mac? Do we need a special utility for doing it? 
Kindly let me know the steps.

 

Take care,

Hem.

 

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RE: opening zip files

2019-09-01 Thread Simon A Fogarty

Highlight the file and hit command & o  then listen to what’s happening.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Monday, 2 September 2019 3:59 PM
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Subject: opening zip files

Hi all,

How do we open zip files on a Mac? Do we need a special utility for doing it? 
Kindly let me know the steps.

Take care,
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Re: Track Pad On

2019-09-01 Thread Marie

To be absolutely honest, I was so frustrated that, for the moment, I have 
the track pad covered to avoid accidental movement of the cursor. Tomorrow I 
will see what I can do and will try the rotor first. My issue was that once 
in the voice over utility I went down to Commanders but then could not 
figure out how to  disable the track pad.The hints are not very clear in 
that area, for me.

Marie

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Track Pad On

   Did you try it. (smiles) If that does not work, go back into VO
Utility and disable it there.


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On 9/1/2019 6:54 PM, Marie wrote:
This is a 2013 model, running Mojave, so does this work on the track pad? 
I was thinking the rotor only worked on newer models. Hope I am wrong and 
thanks for the  info.

Marie


-Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Track Pad On

Try pressing the VO keys and rotating two fingers counterclockwise
on the track pad.

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Okay, big oops. Last night I was using the voice over utility and did not 
close it before quitting. This morning before I got locked in I was 
placing a
marker on the esc. key and somehow accidentally got into the track pad 
commander and turned it on. I had a hard time getting logged in but when 
I did, naturally
I tried to turn the track pad back off. NO luck, so I am apparently doing 
something very wrong. Could someone give me some step by step, please?


Marie





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Re: Copying text from a web site

2019-09-01 Thread Barry Hadder



First, you need to create a folder in your Library folder called 
KeyBindings if you don’t already have one.

Second, the key stroke to set a mark is actually control-@ as defined in 
the dict file.  Note however that you can change it to whatever you would 
prefer.


I also want to note that the keystroke vo-enter that Jonathan mentioned is 
correct.  However it seems to be dead in the current version of Mojave.  It 
is working in Catalina developer beta 6 however.


On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 2:06:34 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>
> Hello Anne,
>
> First of all, Thank you very much for your help, this seems to be a 
> wonderful solution; however, for some reason that I still cannot 
> understand, it didn't work for me. I followed your instructions and pasted 
> the resulting folder inside the library folder of my user, but still, the 
> keystrokes don't respond, and I have even tried this in combination with 
> the function key with no luck. Besides, I've been doing some research on 
> Google, but I can't find anything that could lead me to respond why the 
> keystrokes are not responding.
>
> I'm on Mojave latest update. Would anyone know why this happens?
>
>
> Best,
>Leo.
>
> On 9/1/2019 6:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
> Hello Leo,
>
> You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if 
> you do the following:
> Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
> 
>
> In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
> Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
> You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with 
> Ctrl-Space, navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press 
> Ctrl-x-x. The text in between wil be selected.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
> basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to 
> copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in 
> addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks in 
> a text and automatically select the text between them. Since this is the 
> basic concept behind the function that we are looking for, this probably 
> cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web page.
>
>
> Best,
>Leo.
>
> On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>
> Hi Leo,
>  
> Thanks for the clarification. 
>  
> What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
> selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading 
> until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place sweet 
> spots and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful for an 
> answer.
>  
> Take care,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> *From:* macvisi...@googlegroups.com  
>   *On Behalf Of *Leo
> *Sent:* 31 August 2019 16:06
> *To:* macvisi...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: Copying text from a web site
>  
>
> Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. 
> Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then you 
> can errow to select as much as you want.
>
>  
>
> Best,
>
>Leo.
>
> On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>
> Dear Jonathan,
>  
> Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? 
> Kindly let me know.
>  
> Hem.
>  
>  
> *From:* macvisi...@googlegroups.com  
>   *On Behalf Of *Jonathan 
> Cohn
> *Sent:* 31 August 2019 06:46
> *To:* macvisi...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: Copying text from a web site
>  
> You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is graphics 
> or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method does not 
> work.
>  
> 1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
> 2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
> 3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO will make a 
> dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again. VO should say   stop 
> selecting.
>  
> Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good thing 
> about this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound will stop.
>  
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo > wrote:
>  
> Hello everyone,
> I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.
> Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web page following 
> these steps:
> First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point, and then I go 
> through the text body just until the point where I want to drag the 
> selection, and
> I press a keystroke which performs the action described as select the text 
> between  mark place and current position of the cursor." 
> Can this be done somehow with voice over?
> If someone had information about it, it would be great!
>  
>
> Best,
>
>Leo.
>
>  
> -- 
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Re: Moving Quickly from Cells Populated w/ Data in Numbers

2019-09-01 Thread Dave Carlson

Nicholas,
Very interesting, indeed, and I’m surprised to realize that I understand the 
concept of what you suggest. I create my own spreadsheets with data that I 
collect from Credit Cards, Banks, etc. and after accumulating a year’s worth of 
data, I start the arduous task of assigning a relevant category to each 
transaction.
This is all for doing my taxes, which so far I can still benefit from itemized 
deductions. 
So of course I do a lot of sorting on columns, and after assigning categories, 
do a final sort and then do a sum of values for each of the categories. 
So with your idea of filters, how would I insert a cell entry if I’ve skipped 
over it due to the filters? Do I need to first work without any filters, until 
I’ve finished editing, and then use the filters to quickly move to cells with 
meaningful data?
Hope this makes sense.


Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician




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Re: opening zip files

2019-09-01 Thread Lorie McCloud

there's an unzip utility on the Mac already. as long as it's zip and not rar or 
7z all you have to do is open the zip file and it will unzip and open. you have 
to delete the zip file manually after you have opened it.

Lorie

> On Sep 1, 2019, at 10:59 PM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
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> Hi all,
>  
> How do we open zip files on a Mac? Do we need a special utility for doing it? 
> Kindly let me know the steps.
>  
> Take care,
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opening zip files

Hi all,

 

How do we open zip files on a Mac? Do we need a special utility for doing
it? Kindly let me know the steps.

 

Take care,

Hem.

 

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Re: Moving Quickly from Cells Populated w/ Data in Numbers

2019-09-01 Thread Nicholas Parsons

I use Numbers heavily and I do not know of any command like the one you seek, 
but I may have a work around.

But, given the differences between Numbers and Excel,  such a command should 
not be needed with Numbers on the Mac.

As you probably know, each sheet with Excel is a giant never-ending grid. 
Sighted people enter data in arbitrary locations to make the layout more 
visually appealing. For instance, the first few rows and columns may be left 
blank to provide a margin, and different kinds of data may be grouped together 
in different places on the grid. This makes navigating with a screen reader 
difficult as, when you come to a blank row, you don’t know whether there is 
more data if you scroll down or not. So without the commands you speak of, you 
could be left hitting the down arrow indefinitely just in case the next row had 
data.

But in Numbers, each sheet can hold multiple table objects. Each table object 
can be visually arranged anywhere on the blank sheet canvas. So there is no 
need for a table object to have blank rows or columns to create space; instead, 
the table objects can be positioned to leave space between them. Moreover, each 
table object can have designated header rows and header columns so again no 
need to leave blank rows to separate data rows from header rows. And each table 
object should contain only related data, with different unrelated data being 
placed into its own table object. That way again it’s not necessary to use 
blank rows/columns to separate and group data; you can use separate table 
objects to do so. Navigating table objects with VoiceOver in Numbers is easy, 
so I find this method much more accessible for screen reader users.

Now, with that said, if you wanted to ignore blank cells in a table, you could 
use the filter options to filter the table to show only cells that are not 
blank, or that have values greater than 0, for instance. There are a number of 
ways to do that but one way is to select the organise radio button from the 
toolbar, then navigate to the table you’re interested in, then use VO-j to jump 
to the format inspector, then select the filter tab/radio button, and then 
interact with the scroll area and add a filter. Once the filter is set, you can 
then navigate within the table using only the arrow keys to navigate only the 
displayed cells. If you use VO + arrow keys you will navigate to all cells 
regardless of whether they are displayed or hidden (i.e. ignoring the filter 
rules). If you do that (navigate with the VO keys), and you end up on a hidden 
cell, then the arrow keys probably won’t work until you navigate back to a 
displayed cell using the VO + arrow keys.

On 30 Aug 2019, at 1:04 pm, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Ahh, I can see what you mean,



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, 30 August 2019 1:35 PM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Moving Quickly from Cells Populated w/ Data in Numbers

Simon,
Yes, I know I need to find other ways, but I used that set of commands a lot 
with JAWS to speed up the whole process of navigating, as well as 
copying/pasting large amounts of data. Tax time is approaching, and I need to 
start looking at all the data from our bank accounts and organize the 
transactions into the various types for itemized deductions.
More on Taxes in a separate message, btw.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer



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Re: Sound effects in the mail app

2019-09-01 Thread Petrus Tuerlings

Hi Robert,
I was with you as far as “try adding your new email sound” and then I was 
totally lost. Sorry, but I’ll think I’ll leave it as it is.
Thanks again,
Petrus 

> On 2/09/2019, at 1:43 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Try adding your new email sound,
> But if it doesn’t work, follow the below instructions on disabling the 
> security feature.
> 
> If you are using High Sierra or Mojave,
> There is a security feature you must disable first.
> To do this, Boot into recovery mode,
> by pressing command+R at boot up.
> Wait awhile and press command+F5 to start Voice Over.
> Now go to Terminal  and paste in this command and press enter
> csrutil disable
> OK, you can restart the mac, make your changes and come back to recovery mode 
> and reenable the feature by pasting the following in terminal:
> csrutil enable
> 
> First you have to find the sound folder.
> While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
> While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
> press VO+Space to choose it.
> Now open Library and choose Sounds.
> This folder may be empty.
> Paste your new mail sound here.
> It may need to be in the .aiff format, but I’m not sure. It is what I’m using.
> 
> Here is how to change the empty trash and move to trash sounds:
> 
> , use your Finder and click through to:
> Macintosh HD -> System -> Library -> Components
> When you get there, find CoreAudio.component in the list and VO Space on it.
> Then click Show Package Contents.
> Then go to:
> Shared Support -> System Sounds
> The drag-to-trash audio file can be found in dock.
> The empty-trash audio file can be found in finder.
> You can rename the origional file instead of deleteing it.
> Now paste in your new files with the same name as the original ones.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Petrus Tuerlings > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I’ve worked out how to change the in coming sound in my mail app on the Mac 
>> for my emails, but I can only find the sounds that came with the Mac. I do 
>> have a few sound effects on my iPhone that I got through the iTunes Store 
>> and I was wondering if I can use those on the Mac as well? And can I change 
>> the outgoing sound of an email on the Mac as well?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Petrus 
>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Track Pad On

2019-09-01 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn

itit work with my 2010 MacBookPro. so, it should work with your system. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2019, at 10:17 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Did you try it. (smiles) If that does not work, go back into VO Utility and 
> disable it there.
> 
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>> On 9/1/2019 6:54 PM, Marie wrote:
>> This is a 2013 model, running Mojave, so does this work on the track pad? I 
>> was thinking the rotor only worked on newer models. Hope I am wrong and 
>> thanks for the  info.
>> Marie
>> -Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:44 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Track Pad On
>>Try pressing the VO keys and rotating two fingers counterclockwise
>> on the trackpad.
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>>> On 9/1/2019 6:18 PM, Marie N wrote:
>>> Okay, big oops. Last night I was using the voice over utility and did not 
>>> close it before quitting. This morning before I got locked in I was placing 
>>> a
>>> marker on the esc. key and somehow accidentally got into the track pad 
>>> commander and turned it on. I had a hard time getting logged in but when I 
>>> did, naturally
>>> I tried to turn the track pad back off. NO luck, so I am apparently doing 
>>> something very wrong. Could someone give me some step by step, please?
>>> 
>>> Marie
>>> 
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Re: Track Pad On

   Did you try it. (smiles) If that does not work, go back into VO 
Utility and disable it there.


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On 9/1/2019 6:54 PM, Marie wrote:
This is a 2013 model, running Mojave, so does this work on the track 
pad? I was thinking the rotor only worked on newer models. Hope I am 
wrong and thanks for the  info.

Marie


-Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Track Pad On

    Try pressing the VO keys and rotating two fingers counterclockwise
on the trackpad.

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On 9/1/2019 6:18 PM, Marie N wrote:
Okay, big oops. Last night I was using the voice over utility and did 
not close it before quitting. This morning before I got locked in I 
was placing a
marker on the esc. key and somehow accidentally got into the track pad 
commander and turned it on. I had a hard time getting logged in but 
when I did, naturally
I tried to turn the track pad back off. NO luck, so I am apparently 
doing something very wrong. Could someone give me some step by step, 
please?


Marie





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Re: Track Pad On

2019-09-01 Thread Marie

This is a 2013 model, running Mojave, so does this work on the track pad? I 
was thinking the rotor only worked on newer models. Hope I am wrong and 
thanks for the  info.

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries

Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 6:44 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Track Pad On

   Try pressing the VO keys and rotating two fingers counterclockwise
on the trackpad.


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On 9/1/2019 6:18 PM, Marie N wrote:
Okay, big oops. Last night I was using the voice over utility and did not 
close it before quitting. This morning before I got locked in I was 
placing a
marker on the esc. key and somehow accidentally got into the track pad 
commander and turned it on. I had a hard time getting logged in but when I 
did, naturally
I tried to turn the track pad back off. NO luck, so I am apparently doing 
something very wrong. Could someone give me some step by step, please?


Marie



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Charter.com Help

   Anyone using Charter/Spectrum for email? I'm trying to delete two 
mailboxes. They cannot be deleted in Apple Mail and I do not see a way 
to do it on their web site.


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Re: Sound effects in the mail app

2019-09-01 Thread 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries

Hi,
Try adding your new email sound,
But if it doesn’t work, follow the below instructions on disabling the security 
feature.

If you are using High Sierra or Mojave,
There is a security feature you must disable first.
To do this, Boot into recovery mode,
by pressing command+R at boot up.
Wait awhile and press command+F5 to start Voice Over.
Now go to Terminal  and paste in this command and press enter
csrutil disable
OK, you can restart the mac, make your changes and come back to recovery mode 
and reenable the feature by pasting the following in terminal:
csrutil enable

First you have to find the sound folder.
While on the Desktop, go to the go Menu.
While pressing the VO keys, press the down arrow to Library.
press VO+Space to choose it.
Now open Library and choose Sounds.
This folder may be empty.
Paste your new mail sound here.
It may need to be in the .aiff format, but I’m not sure. It is what I’m using.

Here is how to change the empty trash and move to trash sounds:

, use your Finder and click through to:
Macintosh HD -> System -> Library -> Components
When you get there, find CoreAudio.component in the list and VO Space on it.
Then click Show Package Contents.
Then go to:
Shared Support -> System Sounds
The drag-to-trash audio file can be found in dock.
The empty-trash audio file can be found in finder.
You can rename the origional file instead of deleteing it.
Now paste in your new files with the same name as the original ones.

> On Aug 31, 2019, at 6:02 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I’ve worked out how to change the in coming sound in my mail app on the Mac 
> for my emails, but I can only find the sounds that came with the Mac. I do 
> have a few sound effects on my iPhone that I got through the iTunes Store and 
> I was wondering if I can use those on the Mac as well? And can I change the 
> outgoing sound of an email on the Mac as well?
> Thanks in advance,
> Petrus 
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Track Pad On

   Try pressing the VO keys and rotating two fingers counterclockwise 
on the trackpad.


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On 9/1/2019 6:18 PM, Marie N wrote:
Okay, big oops. Last night I was using the voice over utility and did 
not close it before quitting. This morning before I got locked in I was 
placing a
marker on the esc. key and somehow accidentally got into the track pad 
commander and turned it on. I had a hard time getting logged in but when 
I did, naturally
I tried to turn the track pad back off. NO luck, so I am apparently 
doing something very wrong. Could someone give me some step by step, 
please?


Marie



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Track Pad On

2019-09-01 Thread Marie N

Okay, big oops. Last night I was using the voice over utility and did 
not close it before quitting. This morning before I got locked in I was 
placing a
marker on the esc. key and somehow accidentally got into the track pad 
commander and turned it on. I had a hard time getting logged in but when 
I did, naturally
I tried to turn the track pad back off. NO luck, so I am apparently 
doing something very wrong. Could someone give me some step by step, 
please?


Marie

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Re: Copying text from a web site

2019-09-01 Thread 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries

Hi,

>From the Finder, you can either press cmd-shift-l, or press VO-m to go to the 
>MenuBar, right to the Go menu, then VO-down to the Library menu.  If you 
>simply use arrow keys in that menu without the VO keys, you will not see the 
>Library item.  This is normal, as the Option key is magic at showing items not 
>normally visible in menus.

Later...


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On Sep 1, 2019, at 14:48, Leo  wrote:

, so strange, I don't know what could be... but that is how I do it, 
anyway, this folder should be inside of the folder that was created with the 
username of the administrator, for instance, "richardsmith."



Best,
   Leo.
On 9/1/2019 2:38 PM, Greg Wocher wrote:
> Hello,
> When I do this I see no library folder at all. I see all kinds of other 
> folders though.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Leo > > wrote:
>> 
>> press command plus shift plus H, this will open your user folder, then press 
>> command plus shift plus . (period key)
>> 
>> Since some folders such as this library folder are hidden, first you must 
>> press this combination in order to make all this folders visible.
>> 
>> Press the same combination to reverse this, and please, let us know if it 
>> worked for you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>>Leo.
>> On 9/1/2019 1:27 PM, Greg Wocher wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> How does one find the user library folder? I have been trying to find mine 
>>> and I am having no luck.
>>> 
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Leo >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello Anne,
 
 First of all, Thank you very much for your help, this seems to be a 
 wonderful solution; however, for some reason that I still cannot 
 understand, it didn't work for me. I followed your instructions and pasted 
 the resulting folder inside the library folder of my user, but still, the 
 keystrokes don't respond, and I have even tried this in combination with 
 the function key with no luck. Besides, I've been doing some research on 
 Google, but I can't find anything that could lead me to respond why the 
 keystrokes are not responding.
 
 I'm on Mojave latest update. Would anyone know why this happens?
 
 
 
 Best,
Leo.
 On 9/1/2019 6:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> Hello Leo,
> 
> You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac 
> if you do the following:
> Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
> >
> 
> In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
> Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
> You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with 
> Ctrl-Space, navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and 
> press Ctrl-x-x. The text in between wil be selected.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice 
>> that basically your question and my question are the same. Though I 
>> wanted to copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text 
>> editor; in addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place 
>> two marks in a text and automatically select the text between them. 
>> Since this is the basic concept behind the function that we are looking 
>> for, this probably cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor 
>> on a web page.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>>Leo.
>> On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>>> Hi Leo,
>>>  
>>> Thanks for the clarification. 
>>>  
>>> What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
>>> selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading 
>>> until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place 
>>> sweet spots and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful 
>>> for an answer.
>>>  
>>> Take care,
>>> Hem.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  On Behalf Of Leo
>>> Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
>>>  
>>> Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. 
>>> Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then 
>>> you can errow to select as much as you want.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>>Leo.

Re: New Mac User

2019-09-01 Thread Marie

Oh, I guess I read it too fast, so glad of the clarification and I will take 
your advice on this one. Thanks,
Marie

From: Phil Halton 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2019 7:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: New Mac User

Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book 
of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most 
entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.

Sent from my IPhone

On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:

  Hi Marie,

  I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
benefited from them.

  Warmly,

  Hem.

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
  Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: New Mac User

  Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is down 
at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at first, 
but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items in 
the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you need 
there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.

  Sent from my IPhone

  On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:

I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from Apple 
Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free podcast from 
John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.

I have lots to learn for sure.

Marie

From: Petrus Tuerlings 

Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: New Mac User

Hi Marie and others, 

Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? 
I may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a beginner. 
I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of people told me 
not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have been a huge help 
and I would have been lost without them. 

Petrus 

  On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We are 
using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using the 
templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text edit 
so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. This 
looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists  

  I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using 
windows.

  Gail

  Sent from Gail’s iPhone

  On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:

  Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is 
one I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and even 
do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. I 
believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.

  Looking forward to the group interaction.

  Marie

  From: Dave Carlson 

  Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM

  To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 

  Subject: Re: New Mac User

  Marie, 

  You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by David 
Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).

  I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using 
the Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.

  I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit 
apps, and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
comfortable with Contacts.

  Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the 
Voiceover Utility and System Preferences.

  And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real 
experts on board.

  Dave Carlson

  Engineer, Pioneer,

Re: Copying text from a web site

2019-09-01 Thread Greg Wocher

Hello,
When I do this I see no library folder at all. I see all kinds of other folders 
though.

Greg Wocher


> On Sep 1, 2019, at 3:35 PM, Leo  wrote:
> 
> press command plus shift plus H, this will open your user folder, then press 
> command plus shift plus . (period key)
> 
> Since some folders such as this library folder are hidden, first   you 
> must press this combination in order to make all this folders visible.
> 
> Press the same combination to reverse this, and please, let us know if it 
> worked for you.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
>Leo.
> On 9/1/2019 1:27 PM, Greg Wocher wrote:
>> Hello,
>> How does one find the user library folder? I have been trying to find mine 
>> and I am having no luck.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Leo >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Anne,
>>> 
>>> First of all, Thank you very much for your help, this seems to be a 
>>> wonderful solution; however, for some reason that I still cannot 
>>> understand, it didn't work for me. I followed your instructions and pasted 
>>> the resulting folder inside the library folder of my user, but still, the 
>>> keystrokes don't respond, and I have even tried this in combination with 
>>> the function key with no luck. Besides, I've been doing some research on 
>>> Google, but I can't find anything that could lead me to respond why the 
>>> keystrokes are not responding.
>>> 
>>> I'm on Mojave latest update. Would anyone know why this happens?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>>Leo.
>>> On 9/1/2019 6:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
 Hello Leo,
 
 You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if 
 you do the following:
 Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
 >
 
 In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
 Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
 You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with 
 Ctrl-Space, navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press 
 Ctrl-x-x. The text in between wil be selected.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
> basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to 
> copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in 
> addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks 
> in a text and automatically select the text between them. Since this is 
> the basic concept behind the function that we are looking for, this 
> probably cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web 
> page.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
>Leo.
> On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>> Hi Leo,
>>  
>> Thanks for the clarification. 
>>  
>> What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
>> selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading 
>> until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place 
>> sweet spots and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful 
>> for an answer.
>>  
>> Take care,
>> Hem.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>>  
>>  On Behalf Of Leo
>> Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
>>  
>> Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. 
>> Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then 
>> you can errow to select as much as you want.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best,
>>Leo.
>> On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>> Dear Jonathan,
>>  
>> Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? 
>> Kindly let me know.
>>  
>> Hem.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>>  
>>  On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>> Sent: 31 August 2019 06:46
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
>>  
>> You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is 
>> graphics or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method 
>> does not work.
>>  
>> 1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
>> 2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
>> 3. Move to where

Re: Copying text from a web site

press command plus shift plus H, this will open your user folder, then 
press command plus shift plus . (period key)


Since some folders such as this library folder are hidden, first you 
must press this combination in order to make all this folders visible.


Press the same combination to reverse this, and please, let us know if 
it worked for you.



Best,
   Leo.

On 9/1/2019 1:27 PM, Greg Wocher wrote:

Hello,
How does one find the user library folder? I have been trying to find 
mine and I am having no luck.


Greg Wocher


On Sep 1, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Leo > wrote:


Hello Anne,

First of all, Thank you very much for your help, this seems to be a 
wonderful solution; however, for some reason that I still cannot 
understand, it didn't work for me. I followed your instructions and 
pasted the resulting folder inside the library folder of my user, but 
still, the keystrokes don't respond, and I have even tried this in 
combination with the function key with no luck. Besides, I've been 
doing some research on Google, but I can't find anything that could 
lead me to respond why the keystrokes are not responding.


I'm on Mojave latest update. Would anyone know why this happens?


Best,
Leo.
On 9/1/2019 6:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Leo,

You can select text between two markers in any text document on the 
Mac if you do the following:

Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip


In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with 
Ctrl-Space, navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and 
press Ctrl-x-x. The text in between wil be selected.


Cheers,

Anne


On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo > wrote:


Hi,

well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll 
notice that basically your question and my question are the same. 
Though I wanted to copy text from a web page, you want to copy from 
a text editor; in addition, as far as we've been told, there is no 
way to place two marks in a text and automatically select the text 
between them. Since this is the basic concept behind the function 
that we are looking for, this probably cannot be done on Mac, 
neither on a text editor nor on a web page.



Best,
Leo.
On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

Hi Leo,
Thanks for the clarification.
What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing 
a selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep 
reading until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way 
to place sweet spots and make a text selection between them? I 
will be grateful for an answer.

Take care,
Hem.
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com*On 
Behalf Of*Leo

*Sent:*31 August 2019 16:06
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:*Re: Copying text from a web site

Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it 
works. Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop 
pressing vo, then you can errow to select as much as you want.


Best,
    Leo.
On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

Dear Jonathan,
Does this selection technique work in text environment such as
Pages? Kindly let me know.
Hem.
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*On Behalf Of*Jonathan
Cohn
*Sent:*31 August 2019 06:46
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject:*Re: Copying text from a web site
You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there
is graphics or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the
below method does not work.
1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting
with text.
2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO
will make a dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return
again. VO should say   stop selecting.
Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The
good thing about this, is if you somehow break the selection,
the sound will stop.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn





On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done
or not.
Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web
page following these steps:
First, I define a marker, which would be the initial
point, and then I go through the text body just until the
point where I want to drag the selection, and
I press a keystroke which performs the action described as
select the text between  mark place and current position
of the cursor."
Can this

Re: Copying text from a web site

2019-09-01 Thread Greg Wocher

Hello,
How does one find the user library folder? I have been trying to find mine and 
I am having no luck.

Greg Wocher

> On Sep 1, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Leo  wrote:
> 
> Hello Anne,
> 
> First of all, Thank you very much for your help, this seems to be a wonderful 
> solution; however, for some reason that I still cannot understand, it didn't 
> work for me. I followed your instructions and pasted the resulting folder 
> inside the library folder of my user, but still, the keystrokes don't 
> respond, and I have even tried this in combination with the function key with 
> no luck. Besides, I've been doing some research on Google, but I can't find 
> anything that could lead me to respond why the keystrokes are not responding.
> 
> I'm on Mojave latest update. Would anyone know why this happens?
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
>Leo.
> On 9/1/2019 6:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> Hello Leo,
>> 
>> You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if 
>> you do the following:
>> Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
>> >
>> 
>> In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
>> Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
>> You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with Ctrl-Space, 
>> navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press Ctrl-x-x. The 
>> text in between wil be selected.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
>>> basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to 
>>> copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in 
>>> addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks in 
>>> a text and automatically select the text between them. Since this is the 
>>> basic concept behind the function that we are looking for, this probably 
>>> cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web page.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>>Leo.
>>> On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
 Hi Leo,

 Thanks for the clarification. 

 What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
 selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading 
 until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place sweet 
 spots and make a text selection between them? I will 
 be grateful for an answer.

 Take care,
 Hem.

 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

  On Behalf Of Leo
 Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

 Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site

 Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. 
 Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then you 
 can errow to select as much as you want.

 Best,
Leo.
 On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
 Dear Jonathan,

 Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? 
 Kindly let me know.

 Hem.

 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

  On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
 Sent: 31 August 2019 06:46
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

 Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site

 You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is graphics 
 or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method does not 
 work.

 1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
 2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
 3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO will make a 
 dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again. VO should say   stop 
 selecting.

 Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good thing 
 about this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound will stop.

 Best wishes,

 Jonathan Cohn

 On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo 
 mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.
 Working in windows   with jaws, I can copy 
 text from a web page following these steps:
 First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point, and then I go 
 through

Re: Copying text from a web site


Hello Anne,

First of all, Thank you very much for your help, this seems to be a 
wonderful solution; however, for some reason that I still cannot 
understand, it didn't work for me. I followed your instructions and 
pasted the resulting folder inside the library folder of my user, but 
still, the keystrokes don't respond, and I have even tried this in 
combination with the function key with no luck. Besides, I've been doing 
some research on Google, but I can't find anything that could lead me to 
respond why the keystrokes are not responding.


I'm on Mojave latest update. Would anyone know why this happens?


Best,
   Leo.

On 9/1/2019 6:32 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Leo,

You can select text between two markers in any text document on the 
Mac if you do the following:

Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip


In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with 
Ctrl-Space, navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and 
press Ctrl-x-x. The text in between wil be selected.


Cheers,

Anne


On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo > wrote:


Hi,

well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice 
that basically your question and my question are the same. Though I 
wanted to copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text 
editor; in addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to 
place two marks in a text and automatically select the text between 
them. Since this is the basic concept behind the function that we are 
looking for, this probably cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text 
editor nor on a web page.



Best,
Leo.
On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

Hi Leo,
Thanks for the clarification.
What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep 
reading until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way 
to place sweet spots and make a text selection between them? I will 
be grateful for an answer.

Take care,
Hem.
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com*On 
Behalf Of*Leo

*Sent:*31 August 2019 16:06
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:*Re: Copying text from a web site

Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it 
works. Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing 
vo, then you can errow to select as much as you want.


Best,
    Leo.
On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

Dear Jonathan,
Does this selection technique work in text environment such as
Pages? Kindly let me know.
Hem.
*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*On Behalf Of*Jonathan Cohn
*Sent:*31 August 2019 06:46
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject:*Re: Copying text from a web site
You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is
graphics or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below
method does not work.
1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting
with text.
2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO
will make a dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again.
VO should say   stop selecting.
Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The
good thing about this, is if you somehow break the selection,
the sound will stop.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn





On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.
Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web
page following these steps:
First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point,
and then I go through the text body just until the point
where I want to drag the selection, and
I press a keystroke which performs the action described as
select the text between  mark place and current position of
the cursor."
Can this be done somehow with voice over?
If someone had information about it, it would be great!

Best,

    Leo.

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Re: Copying text from a web site

2019-09-01 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Dan,

In Pages, for instance, you may wish to select text between two headings. You 
can use the rotor to find the first heading and set a hotspot, then use the 
rotor again to find the heading where you wish to end the selection and set 
another hotspot. Go to the first hotspot and press Ctrl-Space, then go straight 
to the second hotspot and press Ctrl-x-x and the text in between will be 
selected.
You can’t press VO-Return at the first hotspot, jump to the second and press 
VO-Return again and have the intervening text selected.

Cheers,

Anne

> On 1 Sep 2019, at 20:41, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> How is this different in function then the vo+return at start and end of 
> desired text to select it ?
> 
> A cmd+c will copy it for use elsewhere.
> On Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Leo,
>> 
>> You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if 
>> you do the following:
>> Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
>> >
>> 
>> In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
>> Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
>> You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with Ctrl-Space, 
>> navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press Ctrl-x-x. The 
>> text in between wil be selected.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
>>> basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to 
>>> copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in 
>>> addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks in 
>>> a text and automatically select the text between them. Since this is the 
>>> basic concept behind the function that we are looking for, this probably 
>>> cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web page.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>>   Leo.
>>> On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
 Hi Leo,

 Thanks for the clarification.

 What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
 selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading 
 until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place sweet 
 spots and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful for an 
 answer.

 Take care,
 Hem.

 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

  On Behalf Of Leo
 Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

 Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site

 Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. 
 Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then you 
 can errow to select as much as you want.

 Best,
   Leo.
 On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
 Dear Jonathan,

 Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? 
 Kindly let me know.

 Hem.

 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

  On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
 Sent: 31 August 2019 06:46
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

 Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site

 You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is graphics 
 or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method does not 
 work.

 1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
 2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
 3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO will make a 
 dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again. VO should say   stop 
 selecting.

 Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good thing 
 about this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound will stop.

Best wishes,

 Jonathan Cohn

 On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo >>> > wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.
 Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web page following 
 these steps:
 First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point, and then I go 
 through the text body just until the point where I want to drag the 
 selection, and
 I press a keystroke which performs the action described as select the text 
 between  mark place and current position of the

Re: Copying text from a web site

2019-09-01 Thread dan d.



How is this different in function then the vo+return at start and end of 
desired text to select it ?

A cmd+c will copy it for use elsewhere.
On Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Leo,
>
> You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if 
> you do the following:
> Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
> >
>
> In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
> Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
> You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with Ctrl-Space, 
> navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press Ctrl-x-x. The 
> text in between wil be selected.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> > On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
> > basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to 
> > copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in 
> > addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks in 
> > a text and automatically select the text between them. Since this is the 
> > basic concept behind the function that we are looking for, this probably 
> > cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web page.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >Leo.
> > On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
> >> Hi Leo,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the clarification.
> >>
> >> What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
> >> selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading 
> >> until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place sweet 
> >> spots and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful for an 
> >> answer.
> >>
> >> Take care,
> >> Hem.
> >>
> >>
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>   
> >>  On Behalf Of Leo
> >> Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> 
> >> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
> >>
> >> Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. 
> >> Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then you 
> >> can errow to select as much as you want.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>Leo.
> >> On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
> >> Dear Jonathan,
> >>
> >> Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? 
> >> Kindly let me know.
> >>
> >> Hem.
> >>
> >>
> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>   
> >>  On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
> >> Sent: 31 August 2019 06:46
> >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >> 
> >> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
> >>
> >> You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is graphics 
> >> or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method does not 
> >> work.
> >>
> >> 1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
> >> 2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
> >> 3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO will make a 
> >> dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again. VO should say   stop 
> >> selecting.
> >>
> >> Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good thing 
> >> about this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound will stop.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >> I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.
> >> Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web page following 
> >> these steps:
> >> First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point, and then I go 
> >> through the text body just until the point where I want to drag the 
> >> selection, and
> >> I press a keystroke which performs the action described as select the text 
> >> between  mark place and current position of the cursor."
> >> Can this be done somehow with voice over?
> >> If someone had information about it, it would be great!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>Leo.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Visionaries list.
> >>
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RE: Copying text from a web site

This is terrific Ann. This is what I am exactly looking for. Thank you.

 

I will Try doing this soon.

 

Warmly,

Hem.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: 01 September 2019 18:02
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site

 

Hello Leo,

 

You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if you 
do the following:

Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip



 

In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.

Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.

You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with Ctrl-Space, 
navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press Ctrl-x-x. The 
text in between wil be selected.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 





On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to copy 
text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in addition, as far 
as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks in a text and 
automatically select the text between them. Since this is the basic concept 
behind the function that we are looking for, this probably cannot be done on 
Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web page.

 

Best,
   Leo.

On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

Hi Leo,

 

Thanks for the clarification. 

 

What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a selection 
beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading until a spot where 
I need to end selection. Is there a way to place sweet spots and make a text 
selection between them? I will be grateful for an answer.

 

Take care,

Hem.

 

 

From:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
   On 
Behalf Of Leo
Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site

 

Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. Just 
make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then you can errow 
to select as much as you want.

 

Best,
   Leo.

On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

Dear Jonathan,

 

Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? Kindly 
let me know.

 

Hem.

 

 

From:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
   On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: 31 August 2019 06:46
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site

 

You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is graphics or 
tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method does not work.

 

1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.

2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.

3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO will make a 
dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again. VO should say   stop 
selecting.

 

Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good thing about 
this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound will stop.

 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn











On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo <  
leobado1...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hello everyone,

I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.

Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web page following these 
steps:

First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point, and then I go 
through the text body just until the point where I want to drag the selection, 
and

I press a keystroke which performs the action described as select the text 
between  mark place and current position of the cursor." 

Can this be done somehow with voice over?

If someone had information about it, it would be great!

 

Best,
   Leo.

 

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Re: New Mac User

2019-09-01 Thread Michael Maslo

David Woodbridge and applevis were and are extremely helpful for me

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Sep 1, 2019, at 00:18, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Marie,
>  
> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
> benefited from them.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others,
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them.
> Petrus
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.
> 
> Gail
>  
> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
> I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
> Looking forward to the group interaction.
> Marie
>  
> From: Dave Carlson
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie,
> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
> macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
> there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
> done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by 
> David Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
> comfortable with Contacts.
> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
> Utility and System Preferences.
> And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
> on board.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
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Re: New Mac User

2019-09-01 Thread Phil Halton

Actually Marie, I was referring not to the QuickStart tutorial, but to the 
getting started guide. That’s a much more in-depth tutorial it’s an actual book 
of chapters devoted to various functions of voiceover. It’s the bottom most 
entry in the help system just below the QuickStart tutorial. It also has 
appendices for various keystrokes and functions etc.  Good luck.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 1, 2019, at 1:09 AM, Hemachandran Karaha  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marie,
>  
> I find David Woodbridge audio tutorials extremely good. I have immensely 
> benefited from them.
>  
> Warmly,
> Hem.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Phil Halton
> Sent: 01 September 2019 05:55
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie, don’t forget to plow through the getting started guide. You can find 
> it by pressing the help menu keys VO plus h. The getting started guide is 
> down at the bottom of the list. You might find some trouble in browsing at 
> first, but try to bring up the table of contents and you’ll find a wealth of 
> information about using voiceover on the Mac. Also check out the other items 
> in the voiceover help menu while you’re at it. I think you’ll find all you 
> need there along with questions on list you should learn quite quickly.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
>  
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 4:41 PM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> I listened to the short introductory videos on the Hadley site, as  well as 
> several from David Woodbridge  on Applies and some other misc. also from 
> Apple Vis. Today I am going to sit down with the Air and follow the free 
> podcast from John, Introduction to Voiceover on the Mac.
> I have lots to learn for sure.
> Marie
>  
>  
> From: Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Hi Marie and others,
> Welcome to the list Marie, what are the podcasts you’ve listened to so far? I 
> may have herd some of them already but you never no. I’m also a new user, 
> well I’ve been using a Mac since January but still consider myself a 
> beginner. I only ever used windows machines and never liked it, loads of 
> people told me not to get a Mac but I’m glad I did. The folks this list have 
> been a huge help and I would have been lost without them.
> Petrus
> 
> 
> On 1/09/2019, at 3:12 AM, 'Gail Selfridge' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>  
> I am another new member, but I am a little more experienced than Marie. I 
> joined this group because I have a job with my church editing documents. We 
> are using Pages and I don’t know a whole lot about pages. We are not using 
> the templates, thank heaven. We are just using it the way one would use text 
> edit so I don’t have a lot to learn but any fine points would be beneficial. 
> This looks like a very good group and I know a few of you from other lists 
> I already know that the Mac is a much better computer than PCs  using windows.
> 
> Gail
>  
> Sent from Gail’s iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Marie  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the welcomes by you and John. The Mac for the Blind website is one 
> I have visited and just downloaded the free tutorial from DEC. I also am 
> familiar with Apple Vis since I have been using the IPhone since 2011 and 
> even do a bit of teaching in it’s use for newly vision impaired individuals. 
> I believe I have the mindset to learn the Mac.
> Looking forward to the group interaction.
> Marie
>  
> From: Dave Carlson
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 7:50 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: New Mac User
>  
> Marie,
> You heard from John already. I recommend you visit his web site at 
> macfortheblind.com and look at his audio tutorials. Many are cost-based, but 
> there are about a half dozen basic tutorials that are free, and are very well 
> done. I learned a lot from John’s tutorials, and also from those done by 
> David Woodbridge on appleviz.com (did I spell that one right?).
> I did a lot of listening and struggling in my first 3 or 4 months using the 
> Mac, but am becoming more comfortable with the Sox approach.
> I made it a point to become familiar first with the Mail and Textedit apps, 
> and then spent a whole lot of time learning how to get around in Finder. 
> Calendar and Contacts were a bit more difficult to use, and I’m still not 
> comfortable with Contacts.
> Other places you should spend time poking around would be in the Voiceover 
> Utility and System Preferences.
> And of course post your questions to this list. There are some real experts 
> on board.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Engineer, Pioneer, Farfar, Woodworker, Musician, and Oregonian
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators

Re: Copying text from a web site

2019-09-01 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Leo,

You can select text between two markers in any text document on the Mac if you 
do the following:
Click on this link to download Keybindings.zip
>

In your Downloads folder, open the Keybindings.zip with Cmd-o.
Paste the resulting folder into your user library folder.
You should now be able to mark the start of your selection with Ctrl-Space, 
navigate to the place you wish to end your selection and press Ctrl-x-x. The 
text in between wil be selected.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 1 Sep 2019, at 12:03, Leo  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice that 
> basically your question and my question are the same. Though I wanted to copy 
> text from a web page, you want to copy from a text editor; in addition, as 
> far as we've been told, there is no way to place two marks in a text and 
> automatically select the text between them. Since this is the basic concept 
> behind the function that we are looking for, this probably cannot be done on 
> Mac, neither on a text editor nor on a web page.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
>Leo.
> On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>> Hi Leo,
>>  
>> Thanks for the clarification. 
>>  
>> What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
>> selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading until 
>> a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place sweet spots 
>> and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful for an answer.
>>  
>> Take care,
>> Hem.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>   
>>  On Behalf Of Leo
>> Sent: 31 August 2019 16:06
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
>>  
>> Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it works. Just 
>> make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing vo, then you can 
>> errow to select as much as you want.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best,
>>Leo.
>> On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:
>> Dear Jonathan,
>>  
>> Does this selection technique work in text environment such as Pages? Kindly 
>> let me know.
>>  
>> Hem.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>   
>>  On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
>> Sent: 31 August 2019 06:46
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Copying text from a web site
>>  
>> You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is graphics or 
>> tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below method does not work.
>>  
>> 1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
>> 2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
>> 3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO will make a 
>> dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again. VO should say   stop 
>> selecting.
>>  
>> Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good thing 
>> about this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound will stop.
>>  
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hello everyone,
>> I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.
>> Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web page following 
>> these steps:
>> First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point, and then I go 
>> through the text body just until the point where I want to drag the 
>> selection, and
>> I press a keystroke which performs the action described as select the text 
>> between  mark place and current position of the cursor." 
>> Can this be done somehow with voice over?
>> If someone had information about it, it would be great!
>>  
>> Best,
>>Leo.
>>  
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>>  
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>  
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
>> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>>  
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
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Re: Copying text from a web site


Hi,

well if you red the question that started this thread, you'll notice 
that basically your question and my question are the same. Though I 
wanted to copy text from a web page, you want to copy from a text 
editor; in addition, as far as we've been told, there is no way to place 
two marks in a text and automatically select the text between them. 
Since this is the basic concept behind the function that we are looking 
for, this probably cannot be done on Mac, neither on a text editor nor 
on a web page.



Best,
   Leo.

On 8/31/2019 11:51 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:


Hi Leo,

Thanks for the clarification.

What should I do if I need to select long passages after  placing a 
selection beginning mark. On the windows front, I tend to keep reading 
until a spot where I need to end selection. Is there a way to place 
sweet spots and make a text selection between them? I will be grateful 
for an answer.


Take care,

Hem.

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 *On Behalf Of *Leo

*Sent:* 31 August 2019 16:06
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Copying text from a web site

Hi, I'm not Jonathan, but the answer to your question is yes, it 
works. Just make sure after pressing vo-return, not to stop pressing 
vo, then you can errow to select as much as you want.


Best,
    Leo.

On 8/30/2019 10:55 PM, Hemachandran Karaha wrote:

Dear Jonathan,

Does this selection technique work in text environment such as
Pages? Kindly let me know.

Hem.

*From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com


 *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Cohn
*Sent:* 31 August 2019 06:46
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: Copying text from a web site

You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is
graphics or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below
method does not work.

1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with
text.

2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.

3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO
will make a dragging type of sound.  and press vo-return again. VO
should say   stop selecting.

Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good
thing about this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound
will stop.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn





On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.

Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web page
following these steps:

First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point,
and then I go through the text body just until the point where
I want to drag the selection, and

I press a keystroke which performs the action described as
select the text between  mark place and current position of
the cursor."

Can this be done somehow with voice over?

If someone had information about it, it would be great!

Best,

    Leo.

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Re: Copying text from a web site

Hi Andrew,

Both methods work perfectly on a web page, and that is something.

Thanks for the feedback.

Best,
Leo.

On 8/31/2019 2:02 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Leo,

Selecting text in SAfari on a Mac computer has always been a bit
wearisome.

You could try using shift key and arrow keys to see whether you can
select the text. If that’s failed, I use copy last phrase to the
clipboard method which copies the last chunk of text Voiceover says by
pressing vo+shift+c. You don’t have to wait until voiceover finishes
speaking the block of text. As soon as it starts speaking, you can
press this key combination and the chunk of text gets copied to
clipboard and you can then paste it elsewhere. This is not a tidy way
of doing this but it works if all else fails. But do try the shift
key down and arrow keys method. It’s been improved of late by Apple

Adnrew
On 31 Aug 2019, at 11:32, Leo > wrote:

Well, for some reason this doesn't work for me. After interacting
with the text, whenever I press vo-return voice over makes that
little sound which means no performed action. I don't know why.

Best,
Leo.
On 8/30/2019 7:15 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
You can sorta do this if the text is in a block, but if there is
graphics or tables or even perhaps font changes I find the below
method does not work.

1. Go to starting text and interact until it says interacting with text.
2. Press VO-return. VO says start selecting.
3. Move to where you want to end the selection while moving VO will
make a dragging type of sound. and press vo-return again. VO should
say stop selecting.

Now perform what ever actions you need on the selection. The good
thing about this, is if you somehow break the selection, the sound
will stop.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On Aug 30, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Leo > wrote:

Hello everyone,

I wonder whether what I want to do on my mac can be done or not.

Working in windows with jaws, I can copy text from a web page
following these steps:

First, I define a marker, which would be the initial point, and
then I go through the text body just until the point where I want
to drag the selection, and

I press a keystroke which performs the action described as select
the text between mark place and current position of the cursor."

Can this be done somehow with voice over?

If someone had information about it, it would be great!

Best,
Leo.

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