Re: 3way phone conversation

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I didn’t know you could do three way calling.  Do you need two smart cards in 
your phone?

> On 19 May 2022, at 21:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> While on the first call, hide the keypad using the hide  button at the bottom 
> of your screen. You are then presented with a series of buttons. Look for the 
> add call button and find the contact you want to add. It will call them and 
> put the other person on hold. After they answer, look for the Merge calls 
> button and double tap. All  parties will be connected.
> 
>> On May 19, 2022, at 14:56, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> ok so how do you do them?
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are both just as easy. 
>>> 
 On May 18, 2022, at 18:58, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 how's the best way to do a 3way using an iPhone? if you already have one 
 of your parties on the phone, is it easier to answer another call and 
 bring them in or easier to put the first party on hold and call the second 
 one and then bring the first person in?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: OT: A bit of personal news

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Best of luck Donna.

Sometimes I wish there was a cure for my Eye condition but I don’t think there 
ever will be.

Please do let me know what happens.  My email is kawa...@me.com or you can just 
write to the email that is showing on this list.

Kawal.

> On 6 Apr 2022, at 16:56, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> Hi Donna I wish you great luck and for you have a positive outcome! I’ll be 
> thinking about you and hoping things go well!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 5, 2022, at 12:22 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi Christine,
>> 
>> Thanks so much!  So far only one of the participants had a negative 
>> consequence from the procedure, and apparently, it was just temporary.  So, 
>> though there is risk, I feel pretty confident that it’s fairly low.
>> 
>> Send me your private email, and I’ll be happy to keep you updated.  My email 
>> is doniado...@me.com .
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2022, at 10:47 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow! I wish you the very, very best and helping science move forward is 
>>> awesome, if it doesn’t drastically change your life in a negative way. I 
>>> would very much like to know how this is going for you. I don’t have your 
>>> direct address, but would like to be informed.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 4, 2022, at 5:41 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Warning, this is a little long.  I’ve debated whether or not to share this 
 with the list, but I’ve known many of you in this community for a long 
 time now, so I thought I would, since it could potentially be of interest 
 to others here who have my same visual condition.  If you don’t want to 
 read, feel free to hit the delete key. :)
 
 Last fall, , National Public Radio did a story about a clinical trial that 
 was being conducted using a new gene editing technique called CRISPR to 
 treat Liber’s Congenital Amaurosis, which is the condition that caused my 
 blindness.  Being an inquisitive sort, I decided to try and find out more. 
  My cousin who works in genetics was able to track down the study, and I 
 subsequently volunteered to be a participant.
 
 The whole story is long, but here’s a synopsis.  I went to Portland OR in 
 November, where they had to do a genetic panel to make sure I was a match 
 for the specific genetic mutation that they’re studying.  Shortly before 
 Christmas, I received the news that I am in fact a match, and that I had 
 been accepted for participation in the trial.  There followed a fair 
 amount of pre-surgery stuff, such as having a congenital cataract removed 
 in order to give the surgeon better access to my retina.  But all that is 
 now done, and I leave on Wednesday for Portland.  The procedure will be 
 performed on April 12.
 
 Crispr is pretty amazing stuff.  It has a lot of promise in a wide variety 
 of applications that could make many people’s lives better.  My 
 layperson’s explanation of it is that they will turn a tiny bot armed with 
 scissors loose in my retina.  The bots’ job will be to cut out the 
 malfunctioning area of the gene and mend it, so that the gene starts to 
 produce the necessary proteins to send visual information to the brain.  
 Over time, this is expected to produce a gradual improvement in my vision. 
  For a more medically based explanation, you can check out this link: 
 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-020-0493-4 
 .
 
 I know that we all have different feelings about the “cure.”  As for me 
 personally, I have never sought it out.  In fact, many who know me were 
 surprised that I volunteered for the trial—to some extent, including 
 myself. I do have some vision, and I do use the vision that I have, so I 
 wouldn’t say no to any improvement, should that be the outcome.  But my 
 primary motivation for volunteering was to help further the science, and 
 whatever my personal outcome, I’m excited to be a part of that.  So far, 
 none of the participants has had reason to go out and buy a new car, so, 
 my expectation is that, while I may see better, the overall picture of my 
 life won’t change that much.
 
 
 Though I do experience moments when I wonder if I’m certifiably insane for 
 letting someone take a pair of pruning shears to my genes, I’m  optimistic 
 and excited at the prospect of leaving this legacy for others who have LCA.
 
 If you’ve read all this, thanks for reading.  It is not currently my plan 
 to send updates to the list, because it is off-topic and will not be of 
 interest to everyone.  But if you want to be updated, 

Re: Braille Displays

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I use the focus 5th Generation for PC tablet, Mac OS, I Phone and Apple Watch.

> On 7 Mar 2022, at 13:16, Julie Rattray  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I use the aphmantis Q40 which I really like 
> 
>> On 5 Mar 2022, at 00:03, Holly Jensen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am wondering what kind of braille display everyone uses. I am hoping to 
>> find one that works well for both the Mac and the Apple watch, if that is 
>> even possible. Many thanks.
>> 
>> Holly
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Getting calls to select your blue tooth headset when in use using the I phone?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

I use Aftershokz for my preferred bluetooth headset when out and about.  If 
I’ve not used the headset for a while (let’s say a few weeks) but they are 
paired to my I phone 12, I find that the calls that I receive are not going to 
the headset.  I have been in the audio settings and can’t find that option 
under Accessibility.  It only works if I unpair my headset and repair the 
headset again.  Is there a method where if you turn on said headset and it will 
always send calls to headset if you put it on and turn it on please?  I can’t 
use earbuds or apple headphones as my ears are too small.  I did have the first 
generation EarPods but they use to fall out of my ears so I haven’t bothered 
since.

Thank you.

Kawal.

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Braille on IOS

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Just to let you all know that Scott (not sure how to spell his surname) is 
doing a brilliant series on Braille with IOS on the Braillist Foundation 
website.  If I can learn how to do the braille on the Mac then I’ll be sorted 
but it’s not there for me yet.  If anyone knows if the command keys (doing it 
with the braille display) is the same on the Mac, please do let me know as I’ve 
been trying to do it but with not a lot of luck.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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Re: Apple Pay

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Hi.

I use Apple Pay using my watch as it’s difficult to use Apple Pay with a phone 
which has Face ID if you are wearing a mask in shops.  I just locate the reader 
and put my watch near it and press the side button.

Kawal.

> On 26 Jan 2022, at 17:33, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> Just chiming in here greg is correct. Walmart is trying to push their own app 
> and agenda for payments so they don’t allow for Apple Pay. It’s so ridiculous 
> but that’s America. I forget what they called there app but when I last heard 
> about it it was doing a lot of tracking. That’s what makes us payment stuff 
> kind of tough being blind because you can’t automatically just assume 
> something takes Apple Pay even if it’s a newer terminal.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> No you cannot use apple pay at walmart. The only way to do contactless 
>> payments is thru the walmart pay app. 
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Phil Halton >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> A lot changes in the span of a year. Or, maybe that cashier was 
>>> ill-informed. At any rate I’ll bet you can use Apple Pay at Walmart I would 
>>> be shocked if you couldn’t. As far as at the self check outs don’t know 
>>> about that. But I’ve never used the self checkouts anyway I don’t see why 
>>> they wouldn’t.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 25, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 ApplePay is accepted at Target.
 Target also provides free Aira access, which also is not provided at 
 Walmart.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 25, 2022, at 14:30, joseph hudson >>> > wrote:
 
 Wow that's good to know. I wish they did.
 Joseph Hudson
 EmailFaceTime/iMessage
 jhud7...@twc.com 
 Technology support for the blind
 Telephone
 254-300-7667
 
 Emergency cell
 
 254-813-2461
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 joseph.hudson89 
 
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> On Jan 25, 2022, at 2:28 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> About a year ago, a WalMart Cashier told me that they did not do Apple 
> Pay.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 2:38 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Good information to have. As I haven't done this yet before. But I might 
>> the next time that I have to try to pay for something. Does anybody know 
>> if these work at the self checkouts? That would be awesome if it did. 
>> And I'm talking at places such as Walmart. Or even Sam's.
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And by “point “, Joseph means put the phone within a few inches of the 
>>> card reader. I don’t think simply aiming the phone at the reader does 
>>> any good because they are “Nearfield readers “.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 25, 2022, at 1:04 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 oh ok. so that's what that double click thing was about when I was 
 setting up. thanks.
 
> On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:47 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
> 
> Lorie, if you double click the home button, with the screen locked, 
> there will be an Apple Pay interface that pops up. You'll want to 
> point your phone at the register with the Apple Pay symbol on it.
> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Lorie McCloud  
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> How do I use Apple pay on my phone in a store or restaurant?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Conflict between sending mail from mac and receiving on a PC

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Never had this kind of problem and regularly check mail on a PC, I phone and 
Mac which I’m doing now.

Kawal.

> On 16 Jan 2022, at 17:45, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I used to experience something like this in reverse. My father used to send 
> me emails that I could read with voiceover but anybody else in thee family 
> said were completely blank. He wcomposed his messages with High Contrast mode 
> on the windows system. If  one used vo-T to query information about the text 
> attributes it would tell me that it was white on white.
> HTH!
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 23:20, Gabe Griffith > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all, 
>> 
>> 
>> I'll try to explain my situation and see if anyone has come across this or 
>> has any thoughts. 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm the president of a board and we have an email list not unlike this one. 
>> When I send emails to the list it seems people reading them on a mac or 
>> iPhone can read the text of the emails but for pretty much any members who 
>> are reading the emails on a PC does not see the text. They are able to 
>> access any attachments but the rest of the body of the email appears blank. 
>> One of my board members has tested this by looking at the emails on both his 
>> PC and his iPhone. 
>> 
>> 
>> I very much look forward to hearing any suggestions. 
>> 
>> Thank you, 
>> 
>> 
>> Gabe 
>> 
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Re: Question about Braille for the latest OS firmware which was installed a few days ago on my iMac 2020.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

No problem.  Hopefully someone who has an Focus can let me know.

Thank you.

Kawal.

> On 19 Nov 2021, at 01:59, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> I was unable to reproduce with my brailliant BI 40.. Sorry it took so long to 
> get back to you.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 13, 2021, at 16:06, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hello.
>> 
>> I put the latest OS on my iMac a few days ago as I’ve been really busy and 
>> haven’t really had too much time to read all the messages on the list so I 
>> apologise if this has been answered already.
>> 
>> I added my Focus Braille display which has been updated to the latest 
>> firmware.
>> 
>> Anyway, I was  going to reply to an email today and made sure that I had 
>> contracted Braille enabled by pressing spacebar G.
>> 
>> So I pressed the Braille modifier keys on the display to get the command R 
>> working using the Braille keys and had already interacted with the message 
>> so I could input text.
>> 
>> I tried doing dot 6 to start off with my capital sign but nothing happened.  
>> So does anyone have to do anything special for the Braille input to work 
>> with a Braille focus please?  I only write in UEB Braille as some of you 
>> might gather if you listen to what Jonathan put in one of his messages and 
>> thank you so much.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: new iPhone

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I could never do it with the Apple Watch.  I’ll try again the next time I get a 
new watch.  It always works with an I phone.

Kawal.

> On 14 Nov 2021, at 20:46, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> When aligning anything to do with the camera from a blind prospective, do the 
> following:
> 
> • Set the old iPhone, or Apple Watch on a flat surface like a table or 
> counter.
> • Bring the camera very close to the older iPhone, or Apple Watch etc.
> • Make sure that the lens for this iPhone is somewhat centred over the old 
> iPhone or Apple Watch.
> • Slowly lift the camera iPhone straight up and away from the older iPhone or 
> Apple Watch, usually only to about 50 cm or 18 inches at the most.
> • Normally, you’ll feel a haptic vibration, and the iPhone will announce 
> something, as it recognizes that you’ve accomplished the task.
> • If you do not feel the vibration, or hear the prompt that it completed, 
> then repeat the above steps starting where you bring the camera close to the 
> device on the flat surface.
> 
> This has worked for me every time.  Usually on the first or second try when 
> raising the iPhone.  In fact, I just did this with a new Apple Watch on 
> Thursday.
> 
> HTH.
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> Later…
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>> On Nov 14, 2021, at 12:14, Yolanda Thompson > > wrote:
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>> You can choose to do it manually and input the code. That is what I did.
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/14/21, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
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>>> Just purchased a 13 Pro Max. Let me tell you, transferring the data from my
>>> 8Plus is a pain. Took me forever to line up the pairing circles. Wish VO
>>> would give haptick feedback when you are lining them up. So far, I like the
>>> 13 pro max.
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Question about Braille for the latest OS firmware which was installed a few days ago on my iMac 2020.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

I put the latest OS on my iMac a few days ago as I’ve been really busy and 
haven’t really had too much time to read all the messages on the list so I 
apologise if this has been answered already.

I added my Focus Braille display which has been updated to the latest firmware.

Anyway, I was  going to reply to an email today and made sure that I had 
contracted Braille enabled by pressing spacebar G.

So I pressed the Braille modifier keys on the display to get the command R 
working using the Braille keys and had already interacted with the message so I 
could input text.

I tried doing dot 6 to start off with my capital sign but nothing happened.  So 
does anyone have to do anything special for the Braille input to work with a 
Braille focus please?  I only write in UEB Braille as some of you might gather 
if you listen to what Jonathan put in one of his messages and thank you so much.

Kawal.

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Re: Amazon app on the I phone using voice over.

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I only was told that Amazon on the Mac was not too good but haven’t used it 
yet.  But hopefully it will be fixed soon.

Thank you.

Kawal.

> On 19 Oct 2021, at 21:06, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> It isn’t iOS.  Amazon updated the app, and it destroyed VoiceOver 
> accessibility.
> Hopefully Amazon will issue an update soon that will restore VoiceOver 
> accessibility.
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> - Brad -
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> Hello.
>  
> I have the I Phone 12 pro running IOS 15.  I tried buying something on Amazon 
> using voice over last week but the app isn’t working fully using the new IOS. 
>  How is anyone using Amazon these days?  I had to use the PC as I understand 
> that it doesn’t work good with the Mac either.
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Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I find that Braille on the Mac still difficult.  Lot’s of interacting, and then 
the Cursor isn’t reflected on the Braille display as you get with Jaws.  If 
Braille was good on the Mac then I’d use my Braille display with it as well as 
windows.

> On 17 Sep 2021, at 19:18, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> PDFPen and PDFPen Pro are also great accessible pdf apps on the Mac.  They’re 
> not free, of course, but usually do a great job.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> If you have trouble with Preview, Give Adobe a try for Mac. I’ve also had 
>> good luck with Chrome.
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 12:58, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> For me, the reason I don’t use a Mac anymore has to do with PDF files and 
>>> web usage. I found PDFs really difficult to deal with except the short and 
>>> super simple ones, and in my view, voiceover just doesn’t cut it as 
>>> compared to windows screen readers with various browsers. It gets busy and 
>>> goes in circles etc. Now I haven’t had a Mac in a couple of years. But I 
>>> always keep asking about PDF, and so far, crickets. So no voiceover and Mac 
>>> for me anymore.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 17, 2021, at 8:50 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Yes, the Victor Reader still uses SD Cards.
 I was thinking back to my college days.
 I will not be convinced that the Mac can replace Windows until OCR is 
 included in VoiceOver by default much like we may see in IOS15.
 I was trying to ask questions that the article did not address.
 I think I have unreasonable expectations for the Mac though given that 
 Windows doesn’t allow you to answer calls as seamlessly as the Mac can.
 If Apple would only add the same features from IOS to the Mac the OS would 
 be even better i.e. include the OCR recognition and improve the catalyst 
 app experience.
  
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 > On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 11:44 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to 
 Choose a Mac as a Blind Student
  
 I’m confused with some of your questions but I will give it a go. First, I 
 know there are some OcR solutions with the Mac but I have not dealt with 
 them since like you said, the phone can handle that. As for Kindle, is it 
 any better on Windows? You can always get Alexa to read those as well. 
 There is a Learning Ally app for the phone. Unzipping, are you talking 
 about the Mac or phone? It’s a piece of cake on the Mac, do a  command O 
 on the Zip file, and it will create a new folder with all the content. 
 PDF’s, you have Preview, Chrome, or Adobe as options to pursue. Preview 
 comes as part of the Mac and is usable. As for the Victor,, do they still 
 use SD cards?
 
 
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  wrote:
  
 The only problem I see with this analysis is lack of support for the 
 Kindle eReader and OCR out of the box but the iPhone can take care of that.
 Is it possible to use Learning Ally materials on an iPhone?
 What about unzipping Bookshare books or transferring NLS materials to a 
 Victor Reader Stream?
 What about reading PDF files?
  
 From: tech...@groups.io  >>> > On Behalf Of David Goldfield
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 2:29 AM
 To: tech...@groups.iotv  >>> >
 Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] From iPhone Arena :5 Reasons to Choose a 
 Mac as a Blind Student
  
 iPhoneArena - Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14 PM
 5 Reasons to Choose a Mac as a Blind Student
 
 5 Reasons why a Mac Is a Great choice for a Blind Student
 
 If you live with sight loss, going to a new college or university can 
 bring a host of new experiences and challenges. Stressing over your 
 assistive technology should not be one of them. The inevitable question 
 will arise: What computing platform should you choose for your academics? 
 Mac or Windows 
 ?
 If you’re blind, in a hurry and want to get to the meat of this article, 
 the correct choice is a Mac. Now here’s why.
 1. Cost vs. Benefits
 
 If you’re 

Re: Headphone question if you are using USB on your Mac.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks.  I’ll do it although my hadphones were working OK yesterday after the 
new update.

Kawal.

> On 25 Jul 2021, at 18:36, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> You have to hold down  Command option p and r while starting your Mac.
> Then hold these keys until you hear the start chime again.
> Some say you have to let the Mac do this restart 4 times before you can 
> release the keys but on the apple site I have not seen the source so I can’t 
> confirm if its right.
> On the apple site I think its said to hold the keys down until the Mac 
> restarts and you hear the second chime.
> I really hope this helps.
> /A
> 
>> 23 juli 2021 kl. 22:44 skrev kglists via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> How do you do a pram reset again please? 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 3:02 PM
>> To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: Headphone question if you are using USB on your Mac.
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Try to do a pram reset.
>> If that doesn’t help you could do a smc reset also.
>> I am not sure how to do the system manage controller reset but there are a 
>> lot of tutorials on line.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 22 juli 2021 kl. 10:28 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> When you use to use USB headphones on your Mac, once you had set them up to 
>>> use them on a particular USB port, you could always be guaranteed to plug 
>>> them in and you’d be able to start using them straight away.
>>> 
>>> I have noticed recently that this is  not happening for me anymore so I 
>>> have to keep restarting my Mac.  Anyone have any ideas?  I use the same 
>>> headset on my Windows Microsoft surface pro.
>>> 
>>> I’m using the mid 2020 Mac.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Headphone question if you are using USB on your Mac.

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Hi.

When you use to use USB headphones on your Mac, once you had set them up to use 
them on a particular USB port, you could always be guaranteed to plug them in 
and you’d be able to start using them straight away.

I have noticed recently that this is  not happening for me anymore so I have to 
keep restarting my Mac.  Anyone have any ideas?  I use the same headset on my 
Windows Microsoft surface pro.

I’m using the mid 2020 Mac.

Thank you.

Kawal.

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Re: Storing mail boxes in iCloud?

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I have mailbox folders in iCloud as I made my own folders and can access them 
using Windows and IOS.  You can visit www.icloud.com  
and set up rules so that you can get messages delivered to folders of your 
choice.  You can set up global rules in iCloud.  You would need to do this on 
the web.

Kawal.



> On 21 Jul 2021, at 20:47, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> While there are various ways to copy the contents of individual mail items to 
> a text document, which can be stored anywhere you wish, actual mail items and 
> the folders that contain them, are located on your email providers server, 
> and cannot be moved to a folder in iCloud, or anywhere else.
> These mail items and folders should remain on your providers server 
> indefinitely, so you should not need to move them anywhere.
> You should be able to setup access to your mail accounts from multiple 
> devices, and access these saved mail folders from any device that has access 
> to a particular mail account.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
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> 
> On Jul 21, 2021, at 13:22, Paul Hopewell  > wrote:
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> Hello,
> I am running the latest Bigsur on a 2018 iMac. I have been following recent 
> posts about the backup and migration benefits of storing my Documents and 
> Desktop folder in iCloud. I also store my contacts and calendar in iCloud 
> which is great for sharing between iMac and iPhone and future migration to a 
> new Mac..
> I currently keep important Emails in some 30 mail boxes stored on my iMac, 
> many of which I need to keep for several years. I am not using iCloud Mail.
> Is it possible to save these local Mail boxes in iCloud for backup and 
> migration reasons?
> Many thanks for any tips.
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Can't send I messages using the I Mac using Big Sur.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I have tried pressing the enter key after typing my I message on the Mac and 
it’s not sending but it will send if I do the same on my watch or I phone.

It was working before the update of Big Sur.

May be I need to call Apple Accessibility.

Kawal.

> On 9 Jul 2021, at 21:57, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> As John mentioned, just press enter, or the return key, and the message will 
> be sent. No need to add the command key.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 2:31 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>>   If you mean iMessages, I press the enter key alone after typing the 
>> message.
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 4:29 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> No it’s not working.
>>> 
>>>>> On 9 Jul 2021, at 21:26, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have always used command shift D. Does that work for you?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 4:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can’t send I messages on the mac using Big Sur.  What’s wrong?  Using 
>>>>> the latest update.  It says press command and enter to send but it won’t.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kawal.
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Re: Can't send I messages using the I Mac using Big Sur.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

No it’s not working.

> On 9 Jul 2021, at 21:26, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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> I have always used command shift D. Does that work for you?
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 4:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi.
>> 
>> I can’t send I messages on the mac using Big Sur.  What’s wrong?  Using the 
>> latest update.  It says press command and enter to send but it won’t.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Can't send I messages using the I Mac using Big Sur.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

I can’t send I messages on the mac using Big Sur.  What’s wrong?  Using the 
latest update.  It says press command and enter to send but it won’t.

Thanks.

Kawal.

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Re: Any one have problems updating payment info on Apple ID?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I had a similar problem earlier this year due to a new card and whilst I tried 
the Wallet to update my card, it didn’t work.  So in the end, I went into my 
bank app and found the Apple Pay setting in ‘manage my bills’ when I clicked on 
my main account where you can view your transactions.  I was surprised but it 
all worked.  So have a look in your Bank app to see if yours works like this.

Kawal.

> On 26 Jun 2021, at 21:47, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> My bank updates the card info in Apple Pay whenever it updates. You should 
> check your Apple Pay settings and you might find the same thing.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 13:48, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a problem trying to update my payment info on my Apple ID.  The card 
>> info is from an old card and I just got my new  card this week.  Any way I 
>> clicked on Apple ID and selected payment info and selected edit.  I see my 
>> bank card info, but after seleting edit, I do not see a way to change the 
>> info.  I can remove it but not change it.  What am I doing wrong?  Note the 
>> only 2 things that need changed is the exp date and the the 3 digit code.  
>> This card is connected to Apple Pay.  Thanks.  I have tried this on both my 
>> Mac as well as my old iPhone 8 Plus with iOS 14.6.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
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Re: Autocomplete of passwords.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I didn’t know that command existed.  Sometimes I don’t want a website to save a 
new password as I like the one I have although I get ’this password is not 
strong enough at times’. Or if I’m working on windows, and I look for the 
password on my I phone, I can’t find the correct website so I replace the 
password.

Too many passwords for me to make up or to remember!

Kawal.

> On 13 Jun 2021, at 21:04, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Ok, next time I will try this command.
> Thanks Laurie.
> /A
> 
>> 13 juni 2021 kl. 21:17 skrev Lorie McCloud :
>> 
>> that doesn't work for me either. if I press command-shift-a autocomplete 
>> will fill in both fields.
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>>> Hi!
>>> In Safari on Mac I can’t do autocomplete for some Reason.
>>> I don’t get any suggestions when I press arrow down.
>>> Anything is wrong but what is wrong?
>>> /A
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Re: touch typing

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

That’s great, as I didn’t know that you could turn off these annoying features.

Kawal.

> On 30 May 2021, at 15:29, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
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> Lorie,
> 
> This drove me nuts for quite a while, too. You’ll want to go to Settings > 
> General > Keyboard > all keyboards. The first thing to do is turn Predictive 
> off. That will stop the suggestions from coming up. And then, if you also 
> turn slide to type off, that should make your life a whole lot easier, too.
> 
> Pete De Vasto
>> On May 29, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> Maybe there isn't. I was just hoping. it's not a problem unless the app I'm 
>> using won't let me use braille screen input which sometimes happens.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 29, 2021, at 7:24 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>> I’ve noticed this as well, and that it’s just become increasingly 
>> sensitive, but didn’t think there was much that could be done about it.
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>>> as the ios versions have gone up I have had increasing problems with touch 
>>> typing on my phone. sometimes if I'm moving my finger around trying to find 
>>> the correct letter or number I'll start getting suggestions and before I 
>>> know it it's putting words in there for me and I haven't even lifted my 
>>> finger off the screen. I've tried a lighter touch and that helps some but 
>>> it's still a pretty pervasive problem for me. any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
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Re: Why does my iMac make a pinging sound every 30 seconds?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I always forget the notifications on the Mac!  I remember them on the I phone 
though.  I’ll have a look.

Thank you.

> On 25 May 2021, at 22:06, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> There should have been a Notification banner in the upper right corner of the 
> Mac’s screen.  You can access these Notification banners using VO + N, then 
> using the up/down arrow keys, then pressing Enter to select and place focus 
> on the Notification.  You will then need to open the Actions menu, using VO + 
> CMD + Spacebar, where you can select the appropriate action for the 
> Notification.
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> HTH.
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> On May 25, 2021, at 15:42, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi.
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> My Mac kept saying bluetooth keyboard disconnected.  It had been doing this a 
> lot when I put my Surface Tablet pro on.  So today I restarted the Mac and it 
> stopped it.  There were no dialogue boxes showing.  It would do this 
> intermittently.  After restarting it, it didn’t do this at all.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 25 May 2021, at 15:35, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As John aptly said, it is  a System dialog alert that is trying to tell you 
>> to pay attention to it.  It will continue to do this until you attend to it. 
>>  Use VO-f1-f1, the Application Chooser, to find this alert.  The Window 
>> Chooser, V(-f2-f2, does not usually reveal System alerts.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2021, at 7:55 AM, John Panarese >> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  You might have a system dialog that is bugging you. Try using the window 
>>> chooser and app chooser menus to find the dialog and deal with it. It’s 
>>> probably asking you permission to do something or warning you about an 
>>> incompatible app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>>> On May 25, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Paul Hopewell >>> <mailto:hopew...@hopewell.org.uk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I am running Bigsur 11.4 on my 2019 iMac. The iMac makes a pinging sound 
>>>> about every 30 seconds or so and has done this at least for the entire 
>>>> Bigsur release. This is beginning to annoy me and I would like to stop it.
>>>> Has anyone any idea why the iMac does this and what I can do to stop it? I 
>>>> am connected to the Internet via wifi and use a bluetooth keyboard.
>>>> Many thanks forany tips.
>>>> Best … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Why does my iMac make a pinging sound every 30 seconds?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

My Mac kept saying bluetooth keyboard disconnected.  It had been doing this a 
lot when I put my Surface Tablet pro on.  So today I restarted the Mac and it 
stopped it.  There were no dialogue boxes showing.  It would do this 
intermittently.  After restarting it, it didn’t do this at all.

Kawal.

> On 25 May 2021, at 15:35, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As John aptly said, it is  a System dialog alert that is trying to tell you 
> to pay attention to it.  It will continue to do this until you attend to it.  
> Use VO-f1-f1, the Application Chooser, to find this alert.  The Window 
> Chooser, V(-f2-f2, does not usually reveal System alerts.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 7:55 AM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>  You might have a system dialog that is bugging you. Try using the window 
>> chooser and app chooser menus to find the dialog and deal with it. It’s 
>> probably asking you permission to do something or warning you about an 
>> incompatible app.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> 
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>>> On May 25, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Paul Hopewell >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am running Bigsur 11.4 on my 2019 iMac. The iMac makes a pinging sound 
>>> about every 30 seconds or so and has done this at least for the entire 
>>> Bigsur release. This is beginning to annoy me and I would like to stop it.
>>> Has anyone any idea why the iMac does this and what I can do to stop it? I 
>>> am connected to the Internet via wifi and use a bluetooth keyboard.
>>> Many thanks forany tips.
>>> Best … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Problem screen-sharing with Apple Accessibility

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Nice to see you back on the list Tim.

> On 19 May 2021, at 17:47, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Another option may be that you need to use VO-f1-f1 to see if there’s a 
> System dialog asking you whether you’ll allow or deny the request for the 
> screen share.  Other than that, John is correct in that you need to unlock 
> the lock for the Users & Groups pane, select Login Options from within the 
> Users, Grous & Login Options list, and you’ll find the Accessibility options 
> there.  Make sure that VO is checked in the resulting table and you should be 
> good.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 19, 2021, at 10:38 AM, John Panarese > > wrote:
>> 
>>   It should be in System Preferences and Users and Groups. Interact with the 
>> list of users and navigate down to, login options. Stop interacting and 
>> navigate right. The Accessibility Options button is dimmed until you unlock 
>> the preferences.
>> 
>>   I’m not sure why the screen sharing window was not being seen. Did you try 
>> command-tabbing or toggling off VO and back on again?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>>> On May 19, 2021, at 12:27 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> The person at Apple Accessibility told me the same thing Brad did, that is, 
>>> to Click on Accessibility Options in System Prefs, Users and Groups, in 
>>> order to get VO to load at startup. Problem is, that option isn’t there. 
>>> She then tried to initiate a screen share, and when she did, I heard the 
>>> tai-tone, which was followed by the message “screen share invitation agent 
>>> has no windows.” We tried the screen share invite several times, with no 
>>> luck. We then tried it on my 2017 MacBook Pro, and got the same result. 
>>> Neither of us knew what to do. Anyone know what would cause this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Anyone have a password set for their watch?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

I upgraded all my Apple devices to the latest firmware but if I have my mask on 
and I need to unlock the I phone, and in the settings where the Face ID is, I 
have ticked the box which specifies that your watch will unlock your I phone if 
a Face mask is detected.  So how will this work?  Do you have to put a nasty 
mask on first and get a new Face ID as you can have two?  It won’t work so I’m 
finding out how will this work please?

Thank you.

> On 28 Apr 2021, at 21:33, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> I have a password set for mine, as I was instructed to do so for ApplePay and 
> wallet. I’m only prompted to enter it when taking the watch off it’s charger, 
> and putting on for the day. Watch passwords are four digits long, so I made 
> mine the first four digits of my phone password so that way it’s easy to 
> remember.
> 
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>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> No
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 14:34, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am curious does it work in reverse?
>>> I do not have either device, but brad's stance reminded me of a real life 
>>> moment where, had I owned both, locking my IPhone from my watch would have 
>>> been most helpful indeed.
>>> Once, when I still lived in NYC,
>>> Someone stole my cellphone  from my coat pocket while I was standing in an 
>>> elevator at the foundation center library.
>>> Granted, i shut the service down swiftly,  and this is long before people 
>>> kept risky information on their phones, like banking stuff..which I would 
>>> not do in any case.
>>> Still, had I been in that situation today, and owned both products, could I 
>>> have locked up my IPhone from my watch?
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, 28 Apr 2021, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 
 Thanks, Brad. I already have wrist detection turned on, so I will check 
 out the other setting you mention.
 
 I’m very careful about security on my phone, but have been less so on my 
 watch. I mostly use it for ancillary things like monitoring activity and 
 such. So, I’ve never been as worried about security on the watch as on my 
 phone. But your point is well-taken.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In the Watch app on your iPhone, go to Passcode, and select Unlock with 
> iPhone.  This is a toggle, so do a 1-finger double tap, to turn it on.
> You should also enable Wrist Detection, which will cause your Watch to be 
> automatically locked when it is removed from your wrist.
> 
> The reason to use a passcode on your watch is security.  This is the same 
> reason you lock anything, to keep people out who shouldn’t be there.
> If you don’t feel it is necessary to lock your watch, or anything else 
> you have that is of value, then that is your choice.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 07:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s really interesting, Brad. Where is the setting that controls this? 
> Being able to unlock your watch and phone simultaneously would be very 
> handy.
> 
> Also, what do you see as being the advantages of having a pass code on 
> the watch. I’ve never seen any reason to do it, but I don’t have wallet, 
> Apple card, or any other financial information on my watch.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 11:22 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>> Once you have set a password on your watch, you can make it so that 
>> when you unlock your iPhone, your watch will also unlock.
>> This way, you never have to actually enter the passcode into the watch.
>> There are many advantages to having a passcode on your watch.  The 
>> ability to use your watch to unlock your iPhone while wearing a mask is 
>> just the latest
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 12:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, thanks. I guess I can give it a try, and if it's too annoying, just 
>> turn it off.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2021, at 12:23 PM, Herbie Allen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The passcode is for simply unlocking the watch after you take it off 
>>> and put it back on. You might also use it when installing updates.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2021, at 12:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Just wondering if anyone uses a password for their watch, and if so, 
 how does it work? Do you have to enter the password every time you 
 want to see what time it is? I want to use the new feature in IOS 14.5 

Re: Download Complete Sound on MacBook Pro?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi again.

Well I went in to my Home directory and it worked meaning the contextual menu 
so not sure why it should work in my home directory but I have set up the sound 
alert.

Kawal.

> On 14 Mar 2021, at 14:19, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> What happens if the contextual menu does not work to get this sound set up 
> for downloads?  My contextual menu does not work on Big Sur.  It has never 
> done since I upgraded to Big Sur.  So how is this done now if the menu does 
> work please.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>> On 9 Mar 2021, at 23:13, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> This is not a sound, but you may want to try this.
>> Instructions from Tim.
>> download notifications
>> You can set up a Folder Action for your Downloads folder.
>> • Go to the Finder.
>> • Press cmd-shift-h to open your Home folder.
>> • Select the Downloads folder.
>> • Press VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu.
>> • Choose Folder Action Setup.
>> • Interact with the Table and select “Add Item Alert”.
>> press the Attach Item button 
>> • Make sure the “Enable Folder Actions” checkbox is checked.
>> • Close the setup window and you should be done.
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn 
>> kilbu...@me.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 1:14 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Is there a place in my system preferences or elsewhere where I can turn on 
>>> a sound so that I know when a download completes? If I start a download in 
>>> Safari on Open Drive or somewhere VO will often say download started. But I 
>>> have to guess when it is finished.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Merv
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Re: Download Complete Sound on MacBook Pro?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

What happens if the contextual menu does not work to get this sound set up for 
downloads?  My contextual menu does not work on Big Sur.  It has never done 
since I upgraded to Big Sur.  So how is this done now if the menu does work 
please.

Thank you.

> On 9 Mar 2021, at 23:13, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is not a sound, but you may want to try this.
> Instructions from Tim.
> download notifications
> You can set up a Folder Action for your Downloads folder.
> • Go to the Finder.
> • Press cmd-shift-h to open your Home folder.
> • Select the Downloads folder.
> • Press VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu.
> • Choose Folder Action Setup.
> • Interact with the Table and select “Add Item Alert”.
> press the Attach Item button 
> • Make sure the “Enable Folder Actions” checkbox is checked.
> • Close the setup window and you should be done.
> 
> Tim Kilburn 
> kilbu...@me.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 1:14 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Is there a place in my system preferences or elsewhere where I can turn on a 
>> sound so that I know when a download completes? If I start a download in 
>> Safari on Open Drive or somewhere VO will often say download started. But I 
>> have to guess when it is finished.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Merv
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Re: I have found the way to empty the bin or Trash on the Mac!

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I was pressing the backspace key above the return key for command shift and 
backspace key.  The other one which is below the FM key on my Apple keyboard.  
I have the long type of keyboard with the number pad  on it with the 9 keys 
arranged in three rows of six. 

> On 1 Mar 2021, at 21:16, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The Delete key, is the one you are calling the backspace key.
> That key is actually labeled Delete on all Apple keyboards.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2021, at 15:12, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Oh CHUCK, thanks very much.
> 
> May be someone said that you should press Command Shift Delete but I don’t 
> think I understood some of the commands so I apologise if that was the case.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>> On 1 Mar 2021, at 19:17, CHUCK REICHEL > <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi Kawal,
>> If you add "option" to that command it won't ask you about "are you sure"?
>> HTH
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 10:04 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello All.
>>> 
>>> So I have been playing with putting stuff in the Trash/Bin on the Mac and 
>>> pressed Command Backspace which put stuff in the bin without emptying it, 
>>> just to see what happened.  So then I thought I’d press command shift and 
>>> back space and it asked me straight away if I wanted to empty the bin/Trash 
>>> and I made sure that Yes was selected.  So that has solved the problem 
>>> about emptying the bin/trash on the Mac.  So please remember if you want to 
>>> empty the trash/bin on the Mac it’s command backspace and shift pressed 
>>> together.
>>> 
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Re: I have found the way to empty the bin or Trash on the Mac!

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Oh CHUCK, thanks very much.

May be someone said that you should press Command Shift Delete but I don’t 
think I understood some of the commands so I apologise if that was the case.

Thanks.

> On 1 Mar 2021, at 19:17, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
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> Hi Kawal,
> If you add "option" to that command it won't ask you about "are you sure"?
> HTH
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2021, at 10:04 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> So I have been playing with putting stuff in the Trash/Bin on the Mac and 
>> pressed Command Backspace which put stuff in the bin without emptying it, 
>> just to see what happened.  So then I thought I’d press command shift and 
>> back space and it asked me straight away if I wanted to empty the bin/Trash 
>> and I made sure that Yes was selected.  So that has solved the problem about 
>> emptying the bin/trash on the Mac.  So please remember if you want to empty 
>> the trash/bin on the Mac it’s command backspace and shift pressed together.
>> 
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I have found the way to empty the bin or Trash on the Mac!

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Hello All.

So I have been playing with putting stuff in the Trash/Bin on the Mac and 
pressed Command Backspace which put stuff in the bin without emptying it, just 
to see what happened.  So then I thought I’d press command shift and back space 
and it asked me straight away if I wanted to empty the bin/Trash and I made 
sure that Yes was selected.  So that has solved the problem about emptying the 
bin/trash on the Mac.  So please remember if you want to empty the trash/bin on 
the Mac it’s command backspace and shift pressed together.

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Re: How to delete the stuff in the trash or bin on the Mac please?

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I actually went in to the trash and selected all the items with Command A and 
then chose to delete all the items and had to put in my password.  I thought 
there would be a quicker way than having to go into the trash.  In windows you 
can press the application key and delete everything at once.  Is there not a 
similar way on the Mac as there use to be.  That was where the contextual menu 
came in.  You’d highlight the Bin folder and then VO M and move the down arrow 
and the empty bin button would be there and you’d press the enter key.

> On 25 Feb 2021, at 22:47, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> When in Finder, just hit:
> 
> Command + shift + backspace/delete - whatever that key is called.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2021, at 5:43 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hello.
>> 
>> Please could someone tele me how to delete stuff out of the bin or Trash on 
>> the Mac please as the VO M contextual menu isn’t working.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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How to delete the stuff in the trash or bin on the Mac please?

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Hello.

Please could someone tele me how to delete stuff out of the bin or Trash on the 
Mac please as the VO M contextual menu isn’t working.

Thanks.

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Another Zoom question, the topic always brings up something new or does it not?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

Earlier on, I attended a zoom meeting using my I Mac as I do love Zoom on the 
Mac, even though I have a windows Surface Pro, I haven’t used Zoom on it as yet 
as the Mac one is ace for me!

Well I best get back to my question and see what you all say.

I was in the chat window and the host of the meeting wouldn’t let us unmute 
ourselves.  So I was in the chat window and I pressed Option Y to raise my 
hand.  So, the host tried to unmute me as I had a point or too to make.  Well 
the unmute wouldn’t happen.  So my question is, if you are in a chat window, 
and someone tries to unmute you, regardless if you are in that window or any 
other window, would the unmuting be blocked especially if you are in the chat 
window?  I got to my question at last!

Seriously, thanks for any reply.

Kawal.

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Re: IOS 14.4 a serious piece of garbage?

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I had all that problem as described by Dona on my Home Pod mini and I was glad 
when I got rid of it as Apple can’t just make good smart speakers if the 
assistant can’t do lots of stuff.

> On 15 Feb 2021, at 14:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yeah, I would say she doesn’t always do so well with English either. 
> Whatever’s going on, I really hope Apple fixes it soon.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> First I thought that she had issues with other languages but it seems that 
>> English is a problem for her too.
>> So i am not sure what they do at apple.
>> Google Assistant is a really good tool.
>> That’s the only thing I really miss from Android.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 15 feb. 2021 kl. 14:48 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Oh, wow! That would be a pain. Thankfully, I don’t experience that issue, 
>>> though I will say that since installing Big Sur on my Mac, the Siri charm 
>>> seems to go off randomly. It doesn’t interfere with much, but it is mildly 
>>> annoying.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On Feb 14, 2021, at 9:35 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 Well,
 I have a gripe with the entire 14.x series of iOS releases. Ever since 
 going to 14, my phone has done the strange thing when holding down the 
 home button: it double chimes upward indicating ready to accept voice 
 input only to immediately double chime downward indicating operation 
 canceled. I have had to reset my phone 4 times already and the problem 
 comes back in less than a week. So, basically, I can’t add to my 
 electronic calendar by that method, nor can I request phone calls, play my 
 music or even open apps. What does it take to have a properly working 
 phone?
 
 -Eric
 
 
> On Feb 14, 2021, at 6:35 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Well, I guess I'm glad I'm not alone. But I can't help thinking that Siri 
> has taken some major steps backwards.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 4:45 PM, Anders Holmberg  
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> hi donna.
>> thats a problem i have with siri.
>> i cant play some albums for some strange reasons.
>> this has been worse in this new 14.4 update.
>> so youre not alone.
>> 7ad
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPad
>> 
>>> 14 feb. 2021 kl. 19:21 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Oh, God! so here's what happened this morning.
>>> 
>>> I said "Siri, play Album x." Siri said, "I can't find Album X on Apple 
>>> Music." So I said, "Siri, play album X from my library." Siri said, "I 
>>> can't find Album X on Apple music." So I said, "Siri, play Artist from 
>>> my library." Siri immediately played a song from the album I'd been 
>>> trying to play. So I said," Siri, play this album." Siri immediately 
>>> switched to a different album. So, I thought, OK, I'll just air-play it 
>>> from my phone. I started the album, and went into the control center to 
>>> select the speakers where I wanted the music to play. But the Playback 
>>> Destination button in the Control center seems only to be there for 
>>> decoration. Tapping it brought up the list of speakers, but I was not 
>>> able to select and get music to play on anything other than my phone. I 
>>> was finally able to get the album to play on one of my HomePodes by 
>>> holding my phone up to it and transferring, but we all know that that 
>>> sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't. So this action, which should 
>>> have been able to be implemented with one voice command, ended up 
>>> taking about fifteen minutes, and it still wasn't playin on all the 
>>> speakers where I wanted it to play.
>>> 
>>> On a more general level, our music system is a combination of HomePods 
>>> and Sonos speakers. In IOS 13, if I had the speakers grouped, and told 
>>> Siri to adjust the volume, the volume was adjusted for the whole group. 
>>> Now, it is only adjusted on the HomePod. If I want to adjust the volume 
>>> on the Sonos speakers, I either have to open the Sonos app and do it 
>>> there, or manually walk over and adjust it. There's just no excuse for 
>>> that.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 14, 2021, at 11:54 AM, `  wrote:
 
 I can't comment on the Braille Display, but I hae not experienced any 
 issues with the HomePod.
 
> On 2/14/2021 10:01, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Does anyone else out there feel like IOS 14.4 is a serious piece of 
> c***? Honestly, I hate it enough that I'm giving some consideration 
> to just going back to another environment. What on earth was Apple 
> thinking? I have 

Re: Siri’s latest

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I gave up with the Home Pod Mini in the end as it didn’t like my connection and 
it would always have trouble connecting.  So I sold it.  I’ll never buy another 
so I use the Echo Show not for much but for radio and at times the Show and 
Tell but it’s not good yet.

Kawal.

> On 15 Feb 2021, at 20:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Well, then Apple's got an earful from me! lol
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 2:14 PM, tim m  wrote:
>> 
>> She does throw temper tamptruns. You make her mad and she won't answer at 
>> all untill forced.
>> 
>> You do know everything you say to her and that she says is logged at apple.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/15/2021 10:36 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> That's hysterical!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 15, 2021, at 9:36 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
 
 That’s nothing. A few weeks ago I asked her on my Apple Watch to begin 
 indoor walk. What I got displayed on the screen was “F*** I can’t help 
 you” Now, was she cursing at me or was this a misunderstanding on her part 
 of my instructions? Perhaps we will never know.
 
> On Feb 15, 2021, at 08:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> So a few minutes ago, I wanted to say something to my husband who was 
> down in the basement. I said, “Hey Siri, intercom.”  She responded by 
> starting to list nearby restaurants. This despite the fact that it was 
> 7:30 AM here and it’s minus 15 degrees outside. Lol
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iCloud Keychain coming to Google Chrome on Windows for the first time | AppleInsider

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

That is great.  I use Windows as well as the Mac.

Kawal.
> On 28 Jan 2021, at 14:34, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> 
>>> Wesley Hilliard 
>>> <40016-76960-5CEF1ECC-F87C-4152-A0F5-C07A603D5F04-xl.jpg>
>>> Apple has updated the iCloud  for 
>>> Windows app with a new feature that will soon let users access their iCloud 
>>> Keychain passwords in Google Chrome.
>>> 
>>> According to release notes 
>>> 
>>>  for the latest update, the app now offers "support for iCloud Passwords 
>>> Chrome extension." Upon updating the app, users will see a new "passwords" 
>>> section within the app. Users will be prompted to download the new Chrome 
>>> extension required to take advantage of the feature.
>>> 
>>> When enabled, the iCloud Keychain will store your passwords as you use 
>>> Safari or apps on iOS  or across the 
>>> system on macOS . The update to the 
>>> iCloud for Windows app marks the first time users can use their synced 
>>> passwords on the platform.
>>> 
>>> The feature's introduction on Windows marks the first time that iCloud 
>>> Keychain support has been expanded beyond Apple's operating systems, The 
>>> 8-Bit notes 
>>> . It's 
>>> unknown if the extension will be made available for Chrome on Mac.
>>> 
>>> The update is live for the app, but as The 8-Bit notes, the extension is 
>>> not yet available. When users click on the "Download" button they are taken 
>>> to a 404 page in Chrome. The extension is likely going to become available 
>>> soon.
>>> 
>>> The iCloud for Windows app enables iPhone users to access their documents 
>>> and photos from a Windows PC. The app released on the Windows store in June 
>>> 2019 
>>> .
>>> 
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Re: Home Pod Mini tomorrow.

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I got my Home Pod Mini set up yesterday.

I thought that Siri would be more functional as I asked her to read my emails 
as she can’t do it on the Home Pod mini but it can be done on the I Phone.

I like the quality of the music.  Excellent for phone calls and Face Time.  She 
does drop the network connection though so I just restart it or turn it off and 
on at the mains.  Does that happen for anyone else?  I changed my wifi settings 
so I’m hoping it will be OK.

Kawal.

> On 4 Jan 2021, at 12:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Oh, that's cool! Thanks Joseph, I'd never heard of that.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:26 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> It's kind of hit and miss but you can also tap your Iphone on the mini and 
>> it will automatically  transfer your audio to it from your phone which is 
>> neat.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2021, at 4:38 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I’m receiving my Home Pod Mini tomorrow so I have a few questions.
>>> 
>>> 1.  If you have your I phone in the room with you and you say Hey Siri, 
>>> what will respond, both devices or all devices that use hey Siri?  How can 
>>> you get one device to respond?  Or is that not possible?
>>> 
>>> 2.  Can you get home pod mini to play BBC radio stations?
>>> 
>>> 3.  Can you get Siri to play your audible books?
>>> 
>>> I bought a new Alexa dot 4 just in case I can’t listen to audible books on 
>>> the go.
>>> 
>>> So it’s two speakers in the same place but I am looking forward to amazing 
>>> music (as I understand that the Home Pod mini plays great music sound).
>>> 
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Re: Night hawk app on the I Phone.

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Hi.

I have my netgear Night Hawk Router working but I still can’t check the box on 
the Night Hawk app on my I phone.  If you have it working on your I phone, how 
did you do it?  The software on the Mac is nice and accessible.  I am happy 
with it so far.

Kawal.

> On 30 Dec 2020, at 22:14, tim m  wrote:
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> Have both netgear apps on my phone for 2 different routers, and both are very 
> usable with voiceover.
> 
> On 12/29/2020 3:57 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hello.
>> 
>> Tomorrow it’s good bye to my AirPort Extreme as I have just acquired the 
>> Nighthawk Tri-Band AX12 12-Stream AX WiFi Router.
>> 
>> I downloaded the Night Hawk app on my I phone and turned on the screen 
>> recognition to try and check the box for the terms and conditions but the 
>> box is not checking.
>> 
>> When I turn on the screen recognition, it plays havoc with all the apps on 
>> my I phone and I can’t use the phone unless I turn that screen recognition 
>> off.
>> 
>> I called Apple Accessibility and they are not convinced that the screen 
>> recognition is doing this as they say that can’t be so.They just say 
>> turn the Recognition off.
>> 
>> I have no idea how I will use the Night Hawk app if I can’t get it to work.
>> 
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Home Pod Mini tomorrow.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

I’m receiving my Home Pod Mini tomorrow so I have a few questions.

1.  If you have your I phone in the room with you and you say Hey Siri, what 
will respond, both devices or all devices that use hey Siri?  How can you get 
one device to respond?  Or is that not possible?

2.  Can you get home pod mini to play BBC radio stations?

3.  Can you get Siri to play your audible books?

I bought a new Alexa dot 4 just in case I can’t listen to audible books on the 
go.

So it’s two speakers in the same place but I am looking forward to amazing 
music (as I understand that the Home Pod mini plays great music sound).

Kawal.

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Night hawk app on the I Phone.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

Tomorrow it’s good bye to my AirPort Extreme as I have just acquired the 
Nighthawk Tri-Band AX12 12-Stream AX WiFi Router.

I downloaded the Night Hawk app on my I phone and turned on the screen 
recognition to try and check the box for the terms and conditions but the box 
is not checking.

When I turn on the screen recognition, it plays havoc with all the apps on my I 
phone and I can’t use the phone unless I turn that screen recognition off.

I called Apple Accessibility and they are not convinced that the screen 
recognition is doing this as they say that can’t be so.They just say turn 
the Recognition off.

I have no idea how I will use the Night Hawk app if I can’t get it to work.

Kawal.

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Re: Can't open the contextual menu on the dock

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I also have problems with the Doc and this is using an iMac mid 2020.

I’ve given up for now.

Kawal.

> On 29 Dec 2020, at 03:07, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Sorry to hear you are having trouble opening the shortcut menu for Dock items 
> using a braille display.  I am able to open the shortcut menu using a 
> keyboard, and the VO + Shift + M command, but I am kicked back to the desktop 
> when I attempt to select an item from the shortcut menu.
> 
> One workaround is to route the mouse pointer to the shortcut menu using VO + 
> CMD + F5, and then using CTRL + a 1-finger click on the trackpad (or just a 
> 2-finger click on the trackpad).
> 
> This is a bug in macOS 11.1.  Apple has been made aware of this issue, and 
> hopefully it will be remedied soon.  In the meantime, I wouldn’t worry about 
> removing items from the Dock.  Besides, you need to access the shortcut menu 
> for a Dock item in order to remove the item from the Dock, so for now you are 
> stuck.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2020, at 20:27, Jason Judy  > wrote:
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> Greetings everybody,
> 
> A braille user here, I'm having trouble opening the contextual menu on the 
> dock on my 2015 Macbook Pro.
> 
> Basically, when I press VO + shift key + m key, it doesn't open the 
> contextual menu on the dock. The focus would simply jump to the desktop, 
> leaving the dock, after pressing the contextual menu shortcut. I also tried 
> to open the contextual menu by holding down the Control key and clicking the 
> trackpad, but still, the focus would jump to the desktop as well.
> 
> Do any of you have any suggestion to get the contextual menu to open?
> 
> Another question, is there a keyboard shortcut that will remove an icon from 
> the dock if I can't open the contextual menu to do so?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Jace
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> Sent from Jace's iPhone
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Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I have a similar questions for notifications on the Mac.

How do you get rid of notifications once you have them?  If I put my cursor on 
any, I get a bleep.  I get lots of bleeps when something isn’t working with Big 
Sur.

I hate messages on the Mac now as it’s not easy to delete the messages now and 
I wish that Apple didn’t change the way the messages were on the Mac.  I know 
this is unrelated but I had to say this as it’s stressful.

Kawal.

> On 28 Dec 2020, at 21:29, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Herbie,
>  
> As John describes in that message below, prior to the Big Sur update that is 
> exactly how it worked for me – just and easy swipe or VO-left/right and press 
> the accept button. Now, with the update to Big Sur there is no simple way to 
> just navigate to the accept button when the call comes in.
>  
> Eileen
> From: Herbie Allen <>
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>  
> Ever since updating to Big Sur, my VO focus has  never been in focus for 
> FaceTime calls.
>  
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:01, John Panarese > wrote:
>>  
>>   If the focus is on the window, you should be able to VO-arrow to the, 
>> accept, button and then VO-space. If you have to use the notification center 
>> to answer, then use the approach I mentioned before. Usually, for me, the 
>> VoiceOver focus is right in the FaceTime call window and I just have to 
>> navigate to the, accept, button.
>>  
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <>
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>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> John,
>>>  
>>> Thanks, but just to make sure I understand, should I do these steps after 
>>> doing a VO+O to get into the notification area, or as soon as the call 
>>> comes through do it right where the VO focus is at?
>>>  
>>> Eileen
>>>  
>>> From: John Panarese <>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2020 8:07 PM
>>> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <>
>>> Subject: Re: A Problem Answering Incoming Face Time Calls?
>>>  
>>>   VO-command-space on the notifications and VO-down arrow down the options. 
>>> You can then VO-spacebar.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> 
 On Dec 27, 2020, at 7:35 PM, 'Eileen Scrivani' via MacVisionaries 
 > wrote:
  
  
 Hello All,
  
 Since I updated to Big Sur on my 2014 Mac Book Pro, I have not been able 
 to answer incoming Face Time calls on the computer. I know that VO+O takes 
 me to the notification center, but I am unsure what to do to try and find 
 the answer/accept button on incoming calls. I am able to place out-going 
 with Face Time, however.
  
 Does any one else have this problem and know the solution? And, second, is 
 it a bug or just my problem with not knowing what to do?
  
 I called Apple Accessibility to ask for some assistance and I was told 
 that I really should not update as soon as the OS updates come out, but 
 rather wait a year or even two. It used to be so simple to either swipe on 
 the track pad or VO+ Left/right-arrow to the needed button.
  
 Seems to me it has something to do with accessing the notifications since 
 I could not even get a screen sharing session going with their tech 
 support.
  
 Thanks for any pointers in the proper direction.
  
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Re: Firefox updates.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

The only problem is that Safari always wants to load.  I have edge on my IOS 
but safari will load if you press a web link.  So how can you get a browser to 
load and you don’t want to use safari?

> On 19 Dec 2020, at 14:27, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> The voiceover support in Firefox is coming along nicely. There are still a 
> few gaps with how it works but it's definitely useable. And certainly having 
> another accessible browser on the mac is a good thing.
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 7:38 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> A couple folks have asked me about why use firefox. I was going to grab some 
>> information I had received in a different channel about Firefox and 
>> VoiceOver support, but have not had a chance. Perhaps over the weekend, that 
>> will be possible.
>> but in terms of Safari vs Firefox I believe that Firefox more closely 
>> follows the updates to  web standards. There are a couple places where the 
>> accessibility development community has had to say you can't use this 
>> technique if you plan to support VoiceOver on Macintosh. Hopefully, with 
>> Firefox we can get more sites that we can access. Also, you might want to 
>> reserve your banking activities to a browser different from news and 
>> entertainment. Perhaps on  Youtube you have an extension that allows you to 
>> downloads movies but you did not pay for the extension, so it is probably 
>> getting paid by looking at your browsing habits and sharing that with 
>> advertisers. Better to have a Browser free of such stuff for your money.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
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>> 
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Re: When Safari gives you a password, how do you put it in the websites?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you very much.  I did sort things out as I had too many passwords saved 
for the website so I removed them all and started again and now it’s working.

I have an Mac mid 2020 so no Touch ID, just a British Apple keyboard with 
keypad on it.

All the best,

Kawal.

> On 20 Dec 2020, at 15:57, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you ever need to copy the password manually, you can do so in Safari 
> Preferences
>  
> On 12/19/20, 20:49, "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depending on the model of your Mac, you can also use the finger print sensor. 
> Once you are on a user name edit field, Safari will give you the option to 
> use Touch ID. Put your finger on the sensor and it does the rest!
>  
> > On Dec 19, 2020, at 09:23, Vinny Pedulla  > <mailto:vinnypedu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Also pressing command shift a while you are on the user name field will 
> > automatically enter the username and password, if it is available. Another 
> > method is to arrow down, while you’re in one of the fields and the 
> > suggested passwords will also appear. and pressing return will except the 
> > choice.
> > Hope that helps,
> > 
> > 
> > Vinny
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> > 
> >> On Dec 19, 2020, at 7:22 AM, Steve Matzura  >> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> There's a button on screen that VoiceOver reads as "Password." If you 
> >> press that button, a window will open with suggestions. Move to the one 
> >> you want and press RETURN to use it.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 12/19/2020 4:51 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>> Hello. I have just started using the method where when you do signing to 
> >>> an account or make a new account Safari is filling in the password for 
> >>> you by giving you a strong password.
> >>> 
> >>> So when you do go back into the website, how do you get the Safari to put 
> >>> in the password for you or does that happen automatically?
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you very much. I have been dictating this message using Siri so I 
> >>> apologise if there is anything wrong with it.
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When Safari gives you a password, how do you put it in the websites?

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Hello. I have just started using the method where when you do signing to an 
account or make a new account Safari is filling in the password for you by 
giving you a strong password.

So when you do go back into the website, how do you get the Safari to put in 
the password for you or does that happen automatically?

Thank you very much. I have been dictating this message using Siri so I 
apologise if there is anything wrong with it.

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Re: Announcing the time on the quarter hour etc via Voice over.

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Thank you very much John.

Why do we get this dock preferences bar as that makes no sense.

Kawal.
> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:49, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  You have to choose, Dock and Menu Bar, from System preferences. Interact 
> with the table and navigate all the way down to, Clock. Stop interacting and 
> navigate a bit to the right. There is a checkbox for announcing a time and a 
> popup menu for the frequency.
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:34 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi.
>> 
>> It’s my day of questions!
>> 
>> I use to have voice over announcing the time for me which I use to change in 
>> the time preferences.  I have tried looking for this option and have also 
>> looked in the voice over utility option for it but I can’t find it.
>> 
>> If someone can tell me where it is now please as it’s not in the usual place 
>> of time and date preferences even though it’s showing but I can’t get to it 
>> thank you.
>> 
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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks very much John.

I have learnt something new today.

May be I should ask you to help me with a training session if you have the time 
at some point, we can discuss off list perhaps.

I’ll send you a private mail.

Thanks.

Kawal.

> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:25, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  I would simply do it through the Finder interface. Open Finder windows 
> directly. For example, command-option-l opens the downloads folder. 
> Command-shift-o, opens Docments.   
> 
>  I usually open Finder windows separately. In other words, either by direct 
> keyboard commands, navigating the Finder or using Command-n to open a new 
> Finder window and then using command-accent to switch between the open 
> windows.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:18 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, was doing it in the Doc, in finder.  How else to do this please John?  
>> How can I open folders as folders and not stacks, also, should I get folders 
>> to open in separate windows or tabs and should folders be kept on top?
>> 
>> Sorry for a string of questions!
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:13, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How are you doing this? Through Finder? If it’s Finder, what view are you 
>>> using? If you are doing this through the Dock, there is a bug in Big Sur in 
>>> regard to triggering the context menu.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> Director
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>>> 
>>>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:03 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello John.
>>>> 
>>>> When I tried to open my downloads folder when in finder, it will not open. 
>>>> I did go into the preferences and try to get the folder to open in the 
>>>> folder list rather than stacks but that won’t happen. I am not sure what I 
>>>> am doing wrong. I hope this is not confusing. I want to make sure that all 
>>>> my folders open in folders rather than stacks or anything else. I try to 
>>>> do shift voice-over control and M for the contextual menu but that is not 
>>>> happening
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 5:51 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>    I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still 
>>>>> opens context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific 
>>>>> area you mean?
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
>>>>> should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take Care
>>>>> 
>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>> Director
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
>>>>>> hopefully someone can help.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these 
>>>>>> questions have been asked, I apologise.
>>>>>

Announcing the time on the quarter hour etc via Voice over.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

It’s my day of questions!

I use to have voice over announcing the time for me which I use to change in 
the time preferences.  I have tried looking for this option and have also 
looked in the voice over utility option for it but I can’t find it.

If someone can tell me where it is now please as it’s not in the usual place of 
time and date preferences even though it’s showing but I can’t get to it thank 
you.

Kawal.

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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, was doing it in the Doc, in finder.  How else to do this please John?  How 
can I open folders as folders and not stacks, also, should I get folders to 
open in separate windows or tabs and should folders be kept on top?

Sorry for a string of questions!

Kawal.

> On 16 Dec 2020, at 18:13, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   How are you doing this? Through Finder? If it’s Finder, what view are you 
> using? If you are doing this through the Dock, there is a bug in Big Sur in 
> regard to triggering the context menu.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 1:03 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello John.
>> 
>> When I tried to open my downloads folder when in finder, it will not open. I 
>> did go into the preferences and try to get the folder to open in the folder 
>> list rather than stacks but that won’t happen. I am not sure what I am doing 
>> wrong. I hope this is not confusing. I want to make sure that all my folders 
>> open in folders rather than stacks or anything else. I try to do shift 
>> voice-over control and M for the contextual menu but that is not happening
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 5:51 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
>>>    I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still 
>>> opens context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific area 
>>> you mean?
>>> 
>>> As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
>>> should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello.
>>>> 
>>>> Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
>>>> hopefully someone can help.
>>>> 
>>>> I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these questions 
>>>> have been asked, I apologise.
>>>> 
>>>> Here are my questions below.
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
>>>> changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack 
>>>> rather than folder and I can’t change it.
>>>> 
>>>> 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact 
>>>> name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press 
>>>> command enter and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the body 
>>>> of the message.  Is there a better way?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
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Re: Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello John.

When I tried to open my downloads folder when in finder, it will not open. I 
did go into the preferences and try to get the folder to open in the folder 
list rather than stacks but that won’t happen. I am not sure what I am doing 
wrong. I hope this is not confusing. I want to make sure that all my folders 
open in folders rather than stacks or anything else. I try to do shift 
voice-over control and M for the contextual menu but that is not happening

> On 16 Dec 2020, at 5:51 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>    I’m a little confused by your questions. In Finder, VO-shift-m still 
> opens context menus of items. That hasn’t changed. Is there a specific area 
> you mean?
> 
>   As for Messages, type the name of the recipient and hit enter twice. That 
> should put you in the edit field and you can start typing.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>> On Dec 16, 2020, at 12:14 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
>> hopefully someone can help.
>> 
>> I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these questions 
>> have been asked, I apologise.
>> 
>> Here are my questions below.
>> 
>> 1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has 
>> changed so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack 
>> rather than folder and I can’t change it.
>> 
>> 2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact 
>> name in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press command 
>> enter and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the body of the 
>> message.  Is there a better way?
>> 
>> Thanks for the help.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Questions working with Mac OS Big Sur

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

Just installed Big Sur on the Mac Anyway, a few problems with this OS so 
hopefully someone can help.

I haven’t read the threads for this operating system so if these questions have 
been asked, I apologise.

Here are my questions below.

1.  How can I get to the context menus as I use to do vo M but that has changed 
so that if I try and open downloads, it wants to open in stack rather than 
folder and I can’t change it.

2.  When trying to write I messages on the I Mac after putting the contact name 
in it before going to the body of the message, I have to press command enter 
and then I hear a blip which I think takes you to the body of the message.  Is 
there a better way?

Thanks for the help.

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Re: Demoing Amazing appp

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I tried listening to the recording but the person has stopped sharing it.

Kawal.

> On 12 Dec 2020, at 17:19, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tracy yes running apps from the iPad is only possible on M1 Macs. I wish 
> they made something like the rosetta emulator to run the m1 stuff on intel. 
> For recording I used Zoom and just used the microphone on the MacBook Pro and 
> shared my screen and sound.
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, listening to the beginning of this, I’m gathering it’s only for the m1 
>> Macs. *Frowns. Is this the case?
>> 
>> Great recording, BTW.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 3:09 AM, Raymond Foret Jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> How did you record this?  Is very well done.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I will never apologize for my Whiteness, my Catholicism or my Southernness
>>> 
>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>> 
 On Dec 12, 2020, at 1:40 AM, Dennis Westphal >>> > wrote:
 
 Thanks for sharing
 
> Am 12.12.2020 um 04:28 schrieb joseph hodge  >:
> 
> This was asked for earlier in the week here is a demonstration of how to 
> move apps from your iPhone to your Mac if not offered in the App Store. 
> Sidenote I did try Amazon Alexa after recording this demonstration I did 
> not get it to work it would never let me sign in it made me do a caption  
> but never seem to let me past this. I also was going to release us to 
> YouTube but due to the nature of it I decided just to only share with you 
> guys. Hope you enjoy and find it useful!
> https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0MmCXlbGEIVcymhrRp2gxMNig#audio_only 
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Re: Inserting loops and external audio files in GarageBand

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If there are any tutorials on how to use Garage band with voice Over, I’d be 
interested.

Thanks.

Kawal.

> On 13 Dec 2020, at 15:38, Steve Z.  wrote:
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> Thanks Hatch! Have a good day
> 
>> 13 Δεκ 2020, 4:56 μμ, ο χρήστης «'Fann2000' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>» 
>> έγραψε:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I am pleased it worked now.
>> Happy music and happy continuation.
>> 
>> Hatch.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Steve Z.
>> Sent: 13 December 2020 10:18
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Inserting loops and external audio files in GarageBand
>> 
>> I tried it yesterday and it  didn’t work. I tried it again today after a 
>> restart and it works just fine.
>> Thanks a lot
>> 
>> 
>>> 12 Δεκ 2020, 7:15 μμ, ο χρήστης «'Fann2000' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>» 
>>> έγραψε:
>>> 
>>> It does work here.  I press VO-spacebar to hear what it is, then I copy it 
>>> with cmd+c and paste it in the track view.  It creates a new track at the 
>>> bottom of the table.
>>> 
>>> Hatch.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Steve Z.
>>> Sent: 12 December 2020 16:49
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Inserting loops and external audio files in GarageBand
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Cmd+ cdoesn’t seem to work. I’m in the loops table,  I find the Loop I want 
>>> and pressing cmd+cit doesn’t work. I even bring the mouse pointer on it and 
>>> still doesn’t copy.
>>> 
>>> 
 12 Δεκ 2020, 5:07 μμ, ο χρήστης «'Fann2000' via MacVisionaries 
 » έγραψε:
 
 Hi,
 When the loop you want is highlighted, copy it with command-C, go the the 
 track Header, interact and paste the loop with command-V.
 You create audiotracks with command-Option-A, as you create Software 
 tracks with Command-Option-S.
 Hope this helps.
 
 Hatch.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Z.
 Sent: 12 December 2020 08:56
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Inserting loops and external audio files in GarageBand
 
 Hi list,
 I would like to do what the subject line of this message says, but I have 
 some difficulties. I try to insert a loop in a track, and I’m doing this 
 by following the procedure that GarageBand describes. I move the mouse on 
 the loop I want, and I try to drag it in a truck, But it doesn’t seem to 
 work. I would also like to know how to insert an audio track.
 Any suggestions?
 Thank you in advance
 
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Re: help with mac mail

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Hi Zoe.

Hope you are well and glad to know that you are progressing with your Mac.

Well, you were talking about previous recipients.  If you have your contacts 
up-to-date and you wish to empty your previous recipients as I do from time to 
time, you can do the following.  I don’t know how to make this work on the I 
phone but I wish you could.  

When you are in your email folder with your cursor in the inbox, please do Vo M 
to find the menu bar and then vo right arrow until you here the word Window.

2.  When you hear  the word window, Vo arrow down as this will open the menu 
and you have 17 items.

3.  Keep arrowing down with VO down arrow until you hear  previous recipients.

4.  Vo space on previous recipients.

5.  Here is a table where all the recipients you have ever written to.

6.  You can select with command A and press the delete key which will empty the 
whole table.

7.  Before you do this, you can Vo Right arrow and see other options in this 
menu as you can add emails to your contacts or remove individual names.  You 
can also select line by line how many names you’d like to remove from the table 
just as if you were doing so in windows with shift key down arrow.

I hope you and others find this information useful.

Thank you very much.

Kawal.  

.  
> On 7 Dec 2020, at 18:31, FIOGKOS  wrote:
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> Hi Jonathan and all. Thank you for replying to my message and the help. This 
> morning I sat on my computer and was planning to open up my iPhone with your 
> instructions Jonathan to start fixing or investigating how to view my junk 
> folder. Just before starting I decided to check for new email first get rid 
> of messages I don’t want, etc. As I was pressing VO and the arrow keys to 
> jump between favourites bar, messages table, scroll area etc. I noticed 
> voiceover saying to me vertical splitter, voiceover continue to tell me to 
> interact with this splitter, I wondered for a second what this could be. I 
> interacted with it and I heard such things as 10% 15% etc. Again I thought 
> for a second what does this do I stopped interacting. the little that I 
> changed the vertical splitter now gives me all my mailboxes. Everything is in 
> view just  As I wanted. All of this was fixed.  the junk folder is viewable 
> along with other mail folders just by adjusting the vertical splitter. 
> Who would have thought the answer was so easy. Sometimes you have to try 
> things and sometimes in my case you fix things by accident. This is good to 
> know for other people who are having problems and want to be able to have 
> access and view their junk folder.
> I hope this makes sense and that I didn’t confuse you very much.
> Again thank you for everything
> 
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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>> OK, you should have a junk folder without doing anything. It might be that 
>> you need to change something in Mail preferences.
>> Open preferences once you are in mail with command-comma.
>> In the toolbar there is a Junk  or Junk Mail button. Press this.
>> In this set of preferences, there is probably words saying something like 
>> use a junk folder or flag messages in the inbox as junk.
>> Obviously, you want the junk folder option. If this is already selected, 
>> then I don't have any suggestions for you.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 22:37, FIOGKOS >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much, if you remember or find out how to add the junk folder 
>>> please inform me because it is just a preference thing, I really would like 
>>> to have my junk folder in view just like I do on my iPhone. I am not on big 
>>> sir, I am on Catalina. I have a late 2013 iMac and was told that I cannot 
>>> get the big sir update.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 5, 2020, at 9:45 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 Your first issue is because of "recent recipients". You probably replied 
 to a message from Donna, and since it actually went to the list, apple 
 added her name and the macvisionaries address to your recent recipient 
 list. If you open contacts and create a contact for the Macvisionaries 
 list with the e-mail address, then Macintosh Mail should put your Alias 
 name there instead of Donna.
 
 In terms of the Junk folder, in BigSir, they hide the "All 

Re: How to get chrome on the Mac?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you very much but I don’t need to use chrome on the Mac after all.  I did 
download chrome on my I phone and that seems easy to use but I am now spared 
from using it thank god!

> On 1 Dec 2020, at 16:40, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> You need to do a Google search for “Google Chrome for Mac download”.  You 
> won’t find it in the Mac AppStore.
> Chrome will work with VoiceOver, though it has a few qwerks.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 10:07, Brett Lewis  > wrote:
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> Hi,
> Instructions are here under the Mac heading.
> https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95346?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop=en-GB
>  
> 
> Basically, you download the dmg file and copy the chrome ap to your app 
> folder.
> Brett
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:39 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I have a job interview next and need to use chrome to access the video 
>> conference.  So how to get this and is chrome easy to use with voice over?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Now how about accessible modems

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I am still running the AirPort Extreme with a bridge but will be looking for 
something else as I am sure one of these days the AirPort Extreme will die.  
Why did Apple give up the Airport products, they were idiots.

> On 7 Dec 2020, at 16:55, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Speaking of accessible modems…
> 
> Does this mean you all have experience connecting the modem to your internet 
> provider? Anytime I’ve googled this, it looks complicated. I’d love to stop 
> renting our modem from Comcast.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
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>> Sorry about that Kliphn, Kliphn sounds a lot like Clifton to me, Especially 
>> when it goes by fast. I don’t usually go checking the spelling of familiar 
>> sounding names. Damn maybe I’m gonna have to go on a deaf list too.☺️
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 6:32 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, a single Eeros unit is both a Router and wifi access point.  The 
>>> additional units serve as nodes, that provide additional access points to 
>>> the wifi network. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 17:11, 'KliphnShari Miller' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You are correct, I did miss speak.  The eero is a router, that connects to 
>>> your modem.  And the others act as an access point.  Sorry about that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPadPro
>>> 
 On Dec 6, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 This is not correct.
 An Eeros system is a combination Router and Wifi access point, that 
 provides “mesh” wifi access.
 A modem is a device, usually provided by your ISP, that connects your home 
 network or individual computer to the ISPs internet service. 
 
 For a more detailed explanation, see the link below:
 https://www.xfinity.com/hub/internet/modem-vs-router 
 
 
 - Brad -
 
 
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 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Eero is a modem, it becomes a router when you have more then one.  You can 
 also get beacons to extend your signal threw out your home.  The main unit 
 is called the gateway, the rest of them are your routers.  HTH
 
 
 Sent from my iPadPro
 
> On Dec 5, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Phil Halton  > wrote:
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> The thread on routers was great. But I think I’m going to need a better 
> modem soon. I have a surfboard modem now and it’s nearing the end of it’s 
> life. How about good accessible easy to use low Learning  curve modems?
> 
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Re: answering the phone in IOS 14.1

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How to transfer a call from a watch to an I phone or  a Mac?  I didn’t know the 
behaviour of answering a call had changed, that explains why a double tap 
anywhere on the screen was not working for me so I’ll change mine back to the 
classic!

> On 24 Nov 2020, at 05:02, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ok. got that fixed. thanks for the tip.
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> there is a new feature in iOS 14, that shows an incoming call as a 
>> notification banner at the top of the iPhone’s home screen.
>> To restore the previous behavior for incoming calls, go to:
>> Settings > Phone > Incoming Calls.
>> This is a button, which you double-tap, to find the option to restore full 
>> screen for incoming calls.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 19:47, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> if I'm doing something on my phone such as reading a text and the phone 
>> rings, I can't find the answer button. the phone goes back into whatever I 
>> was paying attention to before it rang. I tried tapping on the area where I 
>> usually answer but it didn't do anything. where do those buttons go?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Issues with starting my Apple Watch 6.

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Yes, it does come on straight away if I put it on its charger.  Should we be 
rebooting all the apple products once a day?  I don’t do this to the Mac that I 
have though, just with the I phone and watch.

> On 22 Nov 2020, at 18:41, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Why not just leave the watch turned on? Also, one thing you could try is put 
> the watch back on the charger and see if it starts up that way.
> 
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>> On Nov 22, 2020, at 10:04, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi.
>> 
>> If I turn my watch off in the morning and try to turn it back on it will not 
>> start.  I have had this watch for a few weeks.  However, this wasn’t 
>> happening before it got updated.  I called Apple Care and they told me to 
>> hold the Digital Crown in and the power button in for 30 seconds to make the 
>> watch start if it didn’t start after holding the power button to make it 
>> start.  So the next day I tried booting the watch by just holding the power 
>> button on its own and the problem still happens.  I don’t mind pushing the 
>> Digital Crown and the power button together as it solves the problem.  Was 
>> wondering if anyone had this going on with their Apple Watch 6 after the 
>> recent update.  If it continues however, I’ll wait for the next watch to 
>> come out and trade this one in to get the next watch unless the next update 
>> of the watch OS solves it.  I have Apple care but they said that these 
>> watches didn’t give too much trouble.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Issues with starting my Apple Watch 6.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

If I turn my watch off in the morning and try to turn it back on it will not 
start.  I have had this watch for a few weeks.  However, this wasn’t happening 
before it got updated.  I called Apple Care and they told me to hold the 
Digital Crown in and the power button in for 30 seconds to make the watch start 
if it didn’t start after holding the power button to make it start.  So the 
next day I tried booting the watch by just holding the power button on its own 
and the problem still happens.  I don’t mind pushing the Digital Crown and the 
power button together as it solves the problem.  Was wondering if anyone had 
this going on with their Apple Watch 6 after the recent update.  If it 
continues however, I’ll wait for the next watch to come out and trade this one 
in to get the next watch unless the next update of the watch OS solves it.  I 
have Apple care but they said that these watches didn’t give too much trouble.

Kawal.

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Re: How I can make Microsoft teams to be accessible with voice over?

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Hi Jonathan.

Thanks so much about your explanation with to Teams.  I tried using it on the 
Mac some time ago and didn’t like it.  It’s better on the I phone but still 
kind of horrible.  I’ll keep your message.

I am not upgrading to Big Sur yet until it has got better.  I use to upgrade 
straight away but I think I’ll wait until people report that it’s a bit better 
than before.  I notice that on IOS you still can’t send emails if you use an 
alias as I do if I am writing to lists.

Kawal.

> On 15 Nov 2020, at 14:43, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> I use it quite often. Generally, it prefers you use the Microsoft keyboard 
> shortcuts and not the VO ones. 
> 
> It sounds like you are not logged into the teams interface. There might be 
> another window lurking around asking for your email and password. The Teams 
> app is essentially a customized version of Google Chrome, and in fact you 
> should be able to do everything in your web browser except perhaps getting 
> notification dings when a new message arrives.
> 
> Here is a quick guide to teams that should help you get started.
> Command-1 Activity viewer (not very useful)
> command-2 chats  I spend most of my time here 
> Command-3 Teams list This is a tree view that you can use up/down to navigate 
> and return to open a list of channels in a team.
> command-4 will bring up the outlook calendar if your teams is linked to 
> exchange.
> 
> The other major keystroke is command-shift-F to take you to the filter entry 
> field. Once you are there, you can either use arrow keys to review recent 
> history or type in a partial name and find matches in conversations.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
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>>> Hi list!
>>> I would like to use Microsoft teams from my Mac. I downloaded And installed 
>>> it from the Microsoft web page. The problem is that when I open the app, I 
>>> get a blank screen. Like it’s not accessible with voiceover. Is there 
>>> anything I can do to make it accessible because I need it much?
>> Thank you in advance
>> Steve
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Mark's printer is wonderful!

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Hello.

I have acquired the printer that Mark wrote about and now after getting a bit 
of help with setting it up as there was lots of sellotape on it, it was easy to 
set the printer up.  I love this printer as I have used it twice.  I don’t know 
where the envelope feeder is and I am not sure what the top thing is that you 
can pull forward.

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Re: Blood oxygen feature on the iPhone 6.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I don’t understand above the camera.  I tried to use the camera at the back of 
the phone.  If that is not correct, how do you know where the front camera is 
and how would you line up your item to get it with the front of the camera?

> On 10 Nov 2020, at 15:35, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I normally first tries to pair it by holding the watch above the camera.
> If that fails I pair it manually.
> /A
> 
>> 10 nov. 2020 kl. 14:33 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
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>> Hi Kawal,
>> 
>> Pairing the watch manually isn’t that hard. I’ve always set up my watches 
>> that way. A code is sent to your watch, and you just enter it on the phone.
>> 
>> Re your other question, Blood oxygen is an app. So, press the Digital Crown 
>> to go into your apps, and then scroll down to Blood Oxygen and double tap. 
>> The watch will guide you through the rest.
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 7:28 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I opened my Apple Watch 6  after it had been sitting in my cupboard for 
>>> over a three or two week period as I waited to get my I phone 12 Pro.
>>> 
>>> So when I started it, it was speaking a foreign language and voice over 
>>> didn’t give the English option.  So I waited for my cleaner to come and 
>>> pair the watch for me as she could hold it up to the camera on my I phone. 
>>> How does one line the watch to their I phone camera?  If I were to pair it 
>>> manually it would probably take me half a day!
>>> 
>>> Anyway, it’s all set up.  So my question is how do you get the Blood oxygen 
>>> to work?  The only thing is if I wash my hands or dishes it will count down 
>>> the seconds.  Clever though, it knows when you have your hands in the water.
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
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Re: Blood oxygen feature on the iPhone 6.

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Hi Donna.

I know pairing the watch manually isn’t hard.  But I can’t remember the numbers 
that is why it can take me half a day if I were to do it.  I can’t remember 
numbers due to too much oxygen and I think it affected that part of my brain.  
I  am good at English music and other things but my maths is terrible and I 
need a braille display in order to remember numbers as I need that tactile 
feedback.  I wonder why that is.  Mind you if I write stuff on the computer I 
prefer to have Braille support.   So I wish that the Mac had good Braille 
support like windows.

Kawal.

> On 10 Nov 2020, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Kawal,
> 
> Pairing the watch manually isn’t that hard. I’ve always set up my watches 
> that way. A code is sent to your watch, and you just enter it on the phone.
> 
> Re your other question, Blood oxygen is an app. So, press the Digital Crown 
> to go into your apps, and then scroll down to Blood Oxygen and double tap. 
> The watch will guide you through the rest.
> HTH,
> Donna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 7:28 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I opened my Apple Watch 6  after it had been sitting in my cupboard for over 
>> a three or two week period as I waited to get my I phone 12 Pro.
>> 
>> So when I started it, it was speaking a foreign language and voice over 
>> didn’t give the English option.  So I waited for my cleaner to come and pair 
>> the watch for me as she could hold it up to the camera on my I phone.  How 
>> does one line the watch to their I phone camera?  If I were to pair it 
>> manually it would probably take me half a day!
>> 
>> Anyway, it’s all set up.  So my question is how do you get the Blood oxygen 
>> to work?  The only thing is if I wash my hands or dishes it will count down 
>> the seconds.  Clever though, it knows when you have your hands in the water.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
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Blood oxygen feature on the iPhone 6.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

I opened my Apple Watch 6  after it had been sitting in my cupboard for over a 
three or two week period as I waited to get my I phone 12 Pro.

So when I started it, it was speaking a foreign language and voice over didn’t 
give the English option.  So I waited for my cleaner to come and pair the watch 
for me as she could hold it up to the camera on my I phone.  How does one line 
the watch to their I phone camera?  If I were to pair it manually it would 
probably take me half a day!

Anyway, it’s all set up.  So my question is how do you get the Blood oxygen to 
work?  The only thing is if I wash my hands or dishes it will count down the 
seconds.  Clever though, it knows when you have your hands in the water.

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Re: Accessible microwaves

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I am sticking to my Microwave Combie for the time being as it has a proper oven 
in it.  It’s sold by Colbolt systems here in the UK and it talks.  May be the 
prices of these will come down if Amazon’s Microwave sells more to the visually 
impaired community.

> On 8 Nov 2020, at 22:10, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I've heard of microwaves with Amazon Alexa support, but nothing that support 
> for working with Apple devices. However, my knowledge of Apple HomeKit is 
> absolutely minimal. There might be something with an accessible iOS app.
> 
> On 11/7/20 6:51 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
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>> Any particularly good usable microwaves for us? I see that some have 
>> optional braille overlays, like the Amazon basics. Any ideas greatly 
>> appreciated. BBy the way, I’m not looking to spend a lot of money. Sent from 
>> my IPhone
>> 
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Re: I need a laser AirPrint printer.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I do have that email.  When you do set it up, please tell us if it will work 
with Voice Over and you can set it up without help.  Then I’ll order one.

Thanks.

Kawal.

> On 29 Oct 2020, at 13:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Mark Taylor recommended one on the list a while ago.
> I have it but haven’t set it up yet.
> I can’t remember though what the model was.
> /A
> 
>> 29 okt. 2020 kl. 00:00 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> The problem is I don’t have any sighted people coming round due to Covid and 
>> I’d rather have one which is accessible with Voice Over.  I don’t need a 
>> scanner on it.  Thanks for your assistance.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 28 Oct 2020, at 16:04, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use a Brother MFC-L2700DW seriesPrinter. I believe you will need sighted 
>>> assistance to get it set up, but once it's up and running, you should be 
>>> good to go.
>>> I got it from Amazon. I've had it a while, so you may or may not be able to 
>>> find the exact same model.
>>> 
>>> HTH. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
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>>> On Oct 28, 2020, at 10:05, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Please could someone recommend a Laser AirPrint printer please?  My Samsung 
>>> SLM2020w monochrome laser printer has become temperamental and it won’t 
>>> always connect to my wifi these days and Samsung don’t seem update the 
>>> firmware.
>>> 
>>> I need an accessible printer.  I am trying to sell this one which I have 
>>> had for the past 5 years and it still has the starter cartridge in it.
>>> 
>>> Hope to hear back from someone soon.  I only need a small AirPrint printer 
>>> as the one I have is small.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
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Re: I need a laser AirPrint printer.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

The problem is I don’t have any sighted people coming round due to Covid and 
I’d rather have one which is accessible with Voice Over.  I don’t need a 
scanner on it.  Thanks for your assistance.

Kawal.
> On 28 Oct 2020, at 16:04, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I use a Brother MFC-L2700DW seriesPrinter. I believe you will need sighted 
> assistance to get it set up, but once it's up and running, you should be good 
> to go.
> I got it from Amazon. I've had it a while, so you may or may not be able to 
> find the exact same model.
> 
> HTH. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Oct 28, 2020, at 10:05, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Please could someone recommend a Laser AirPrint printer please?  My Samsung 
> SLM2020w monochrome laser printer has become temperamental and it won’t 
> always connect to my wifi these days and Samsung don’t seem update the 
> firmware.
> 
> I need an accessible printer.  I am trying to sell this one which I have had 
> for the past 5 years and it still has the starter cartridge in it.
> 
> Hope to hear back from someone soon.  I only need a small AirPrint printer as 
> the one I have is small.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Kawal. 
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I need a laser AirPrint printer.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

Please could someone recommend a Laser AirPrint printer please?  My Samsung 
SLM2020w monochrome laser printer has become temperamental and it won’t always 
connect to my wifi these days and Samsung don’t seem update the firmware.

I need an accessible printer.  I am trying to sell this one which I have had 
for the past 5 years and it still has the starter cartridge in it.

Hope to hear back from someone soon.  I only need a small AirPrint printer as 
the one I have is small.

Thank you.

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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I am not ashamed to say that I have preordered an I phone 12 Pro with a Mac 
Safe Case and a Macsafe charger.  I am pleased that some of the Macsafe (even 
if it’s not an old MacSafe adaptor for the Mac) is back!  I remember my first 
MacBook (it had snow leopard on it) and I am sure it had a MacSafe adaptor. I 
think my IMac 12 also had a MacSafe charger on it..  I know that my present 
IMac mid 2020 does not have a MacSafe charger, I was disappointed about this.

I  was  discussing this with an Apple representative on Friday.  I wonder if 
the I phone 12 Pro will be faster than an I phone 10.  I was most annoyed that 
I could not use the Loan option because you need to be earning a good salary 
gross.  I am just about employed but for two hours a week so I could not 
qualify.  Well that’s my only complaint.

So I’d like to know what a MacSafe case will do.  Will it just fit into the 
MacSafe charger I wonder and then you plug it all into the wall?  I just hope 
it has a UK pin on the back as the plugs in the US have a round pin where as 
the UK Plugs have a long oblong type of thing.

Kawal.

> On 18 Oct 2020, at 21:12, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> This is nonsense.  I’m sick of hearing all the Apple bashing.
> There is nothing keeping you from using the lightning cable and charging 
> block you already have.  And do you really miss the headphone jack?  I don’t 
> because I never used the headphone that came with any of my iPhones anyway.
> If you don’t like what Apple does, nothing is preventing you from taking your 
> business and your unhappiness elsewhere., 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Oct 18, 2020, at 14:38, lenron brown  > wrote:
> 
> Apple can say what ever but this is just another grab like the getting
> rid of the headphone jack. I mean look how many pairs of airpods and
> airpods pros they have soled.
> 
> On 10/18/20, lenron brown mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>> People will make excuses, but if you get the 12 you will need to
>> purchase. The brick with the Usb C port, or if you have the older mac
>> book you will need to purchase the adapter or use another cable that
>> has lightning to usb A.
>> 
>> On 10/18/20, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>>> Hey Robert the iPhone 12 and 12 pro models all come with a USB-C to
>>> lightning cable which you can just plug into your Mac and your iPhone
>>> respectively! The only thing I will say to your question about the
>>> including
>>> the brick in the box I’m one of those who don’t care honestly but at the
>>> end
>>> of the day what you’re saying about just paying a little extra to get the
>>> brick they would still have to box some up with the bricks which would
>>> then
>>> cause cost in production. Anytime you touch the box from something to add
>>> a
>>> part it does cost money. I’m not saying I’m against you on your thought
>>> process but just wanted to clarify that.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 18, 2020, at 3:15 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I agree with the Touch ID.
 And another thing, Apple should be ashamed of them selves.
 I don’t own a new MacBook with USB-C.
 So If I get a iPhone 12, What do I need to purchase in order to charge
 it?
 And will I yet need another adapter to connect the iPhone 12 to my late
 2015 iMac?
 If you ask me, witch you did not, Its not about saving the environment,
 as
 much as it is saving money by not giving us a charging brick.
 They did not even take $5 off the price of the phone. And it makes me
 upset to hear people defend Apple by saying it was a brilliant idea to
 not
 include a charging brick. They could have offered us a choice to
 purchase
 
 With or without the charging brick.
 Thats all, I’m through now!
 
 
> On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:05 PM, M. Taylor  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a
> fingerprint
> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.
> 
> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."
> 
> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> orchard; but not quite.
> 
> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the
> new
> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone,
> every
> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it
> extremely
> well, I might add, then why not Apple?
> 
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Re: Apple iPhone 12 Does not have Touch ID?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

That sounds awesome!

> On 15 Oct 2020, at 23:48, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I used NFC with an ATM at the bank last Sunday. After pressing the side 
> button of the iPhone twice, with the phone next to the contactless reader, 
> there is a button for Face ID. If you press that button, there appears an 
> option for you to enter your passcode. So you can complete an NFC-based 
> transaction while wearing a mask. The ATM then prompts for the PIN associated 
> with your debit card.
>  
> Interestingly, the door to the bank was locked, but there were braille 
> instructions for using a card or a contactless device to unlock it. I was 
> able to use the iPhone to unlock the door.
>  
> This is with iOS 14.0.1 on an iPhone XS.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple iPhone 12 Does not have Touch ID?
>  
> No, you will have to either pull the mask down or use your passcode.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Oct 14, 2020, at 21:50, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
>  
> Will FaceId  work with these masks we are wearing these days? Not sure I want 
> to limit my ability to unlock my phone. Planning to trade up my iPhone 8 but 
> now not sure if I go with the 12 or with the 11.
> 
> Advice welcome’s…
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
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Re: I wonder who is for the HomePod Mini?

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I thought you could listen to anything on the Home Pod mini.  Will have to 
think about it a bit more if I can hear a video or something.  I may go for the 
iPhone 12 Pro (not decided on anything yet) as my I phone battery is beginning 
to run out a lot more than it use to may be because I use it so much.

I don’t have the money either but whatever I go for will have to last a few 
years or more.

Kawal.

> On 14 Oct 2020, at 19:45, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> No TouchID on iPhone 12 mini.  It is FaceID across the whole iPhone 12 
> line-up.
> If you want TouchID, you’ll need to go for the iPhone SE.
> 
> As for the HomePod mini, I’m sticking with Alexa for now.  Siri has not 
> impressed me in any way, and the HomePod is pretty much limited to Apple 
> Music, and I doubt the quality of sound from that little HomePod will be very 
> impressive.  With Alexa, I can listen to music from a variety of sources, 
> including iHeart, Tune-In and SiriusXM.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2020, at 13:00, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder who might purchase the Home Pod mini?  I am getting on and getting 
> rid of Alexa as I liked the sound of the music when I heard the event 
> yesterday even through an I phone 10.
> 
> I’m also thinking of the iPhone 12 mini with Mac Safe.  The Pro and Mac I 
> phone was all about the video editing.  So does anyone know if the I phone 12 
> is having Touch ID as well Face ID as there was no mention.
> 
> Kawal.
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I wonder who is for the HomePod Mini?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I wonder who might purchase the Home Pod mini?  I am getting on and getting rid 
of Alexa as I liked the sound of the music when I heard the event yesterday 
even through an I phone 10.

I’m also thinking of the iPhone 12 mini with Mac Safe.  The Pro and Mac I phone 
was all about the video editing.  So does anyone know if the I phone 12 is 
having Touch ID as well Face ID as there was no mention.

Kawal.

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Re: Follow-up on the Mantis

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Good to know Donna.

Kawal.

> On 7 Oct 2020, at 14:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Since we’ve had some discussions about braille displays, I thought I’d share 
> the outcome of my time with the Mantis.
> 
> I’ve had my Mantis for a couple of days now, and unfortunately, it looks like 
> I’ll be returning it. I wanted to share why with the list, because I thought 
> that the issue I have may also be an issue for some of you.
> 
> First let me say that it’s a really nice device. It’s light-weight, the 
> keyboard is very comfortable to type on, and the way the device functions is 
> very well thought-out. It is very easy to pair with an i-device - I’m 
> actually typing on it as I write this message. So, if my issue isn’t an issue 
> for you, I recommend it.
> 
> Unfortunately, the Mantis has what for me is a fatal flaw. Humanware 
> implemented a feature in the Mantis that they implement in their other 
> notetakers, namely that there is a separate reader for BRF files, and a 
> separate word-processor where you can actually edit text. I’ve always thought 
> this was dumb, but I figured I’d just ignore the reader and use the editor. 
> But when I got my Mantis, I was saddened to learn that there’s a limit to the 
> file size in the Editor, so it is not possible to open books there. Since I 
> often read and edit simultaneously, this is a deal breaker for me. I have no 
> idea whether there are plans to address this in a future update, but I 
> personally don't want to buy a device in the hope that a feature I need will 
> be implemented some day.
> 
> Again, this is a nice device, so if you don’t care about this limitation, by 
> all means consider it. But I thought I’d save those of you who do care about 
> it the trouble of ordering and then having to return the device.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: How to use Sleep Mode and tracking in iOS 14 & watchOS 7, Apple Insider

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

You can’t say that anyone is an Apple fan.  Because at the end of the day, 
people use the right technology that is going to suit them.  Lots of people are 
on this list to talk about apple products but you don’t know if they are using 
other products.  I’m just saying, please don’t judge anyone because of their 
comments.

Kawal. 

> On 29 Sep 2020, at 18:28, Robin  wrote:
> 
> No Worries, (I  See) Your a  True & Loyal AppleFan, & I'm Not, as Apple  & 
> any Other Manufacturer/Brand has to Prove to Me  that TheirHardWare/SoftWare 
> is Worth MyTime & MyMoney.
> &
> All I  said  IN  MyInitial Postin was that TechReviewers i.e., CNET etc etc 
> indicated  that the SleepTrackin' was a  DisAppointment & that's probably Why 
> Apple didn't Focus ON it  during Their  AppleSeptember15th Event,  but  Most 
> indicate that Apple's  AppleWatchSeries6 has TheBest Processor i.e., 
> Processin'Chip in it
> 
> At 04:45 AM 9/29/2020, you wrote:
>> Hi Robin,
>> 
>> Just to be clear, I’m not saying it’s perfect. In fact, given that this 
>> is the first release of the sleep-tracking feature, I’m sure that it can 
>> and will be improved upon in future updates. I just found you rcomments to 
>> be a little harsh, and even unwarranted. From what I can tell—which is 
>> limited, lacking diodes and such—it does worwork well.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Sep 28, 2020, at 10:51 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >
>> > Then, I  Stand Corrected.
>> > Guess MyStatements about Apple's Series6 AppleWatch were Wrong 
>> > Pertainin'To SleepTrackin'
>> > MyApologies to you  & MyApologies to the MailingListSubscribers on this 
>> > Thread
>> >
>> > At 07:59 PM 9/28/2020, you wrote:
>> >> As a matter of fact, I do.
>> >> Donna
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Good  for you! I  just Haven't come Across Reviews LikeThat about  
>> >> > Apple's Series6 ApplWatch & its Built IN SleepTracker. Guess the 
>> >> > Reviews  I'm seeing are ALL Wrong about that.  I'll Keep Lookin' 
>> >> > EvenThough I don't Plan  ON purchasing a  Series6 AppleWatch, as My 
>> >> > Series5 AppleWatch NikeEdition is just Fine, but I  did recently 
>> >> > Purchase  a  Samsung GalaxyWatch3, & its SleepTrackin' gets More 
>> >> > Positive Reviews than Apple's SleepTracker on its Series6 AppleWatch.
>> >> >
>> >> > JustWonderin:
>> >> > Are you Speakin'From Experience, Donna? Meanin': Do you have  a  
>> >> > AppleWatch Series6?
>> >> >
>> >> > At 06:21 PM 9/28/2020, you wrote:
>> >> >> I believe it uses motion and heart rate. What are you hoping for? 
>> >> >> Diodes that plug into your brain to track your brain waves? Lacking 
>> >> >> that, it seems to do a pretty good job. When I review my sleep data, 
>> >> >> it seems reasonably accurate. That's not to say it isn't off by a 
>> >> >> minute or few, but the numbers I see fit what I would expect, based on 
>> >> >> time in bed, time awake, etc.
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Donna
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:09 PM, Robin  wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > From MyResearch on Apple's Series6 AppleWatch, it Doesn't (really) 
>> >> >> > Track YourSleep?
>> >> >> > &
>> >> >> > I  haven't been able to Determine: What Type of SleepTrackin' is 
>> >> >> > Equipped IN  Apple's Series6 AppleWatch  from the Reviews that I 
>> >> >> > have Reviewed on YouTube by various TechReviewers
>> >> >> > At 03:00 PM 9/28/2020, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> Then you can’t go and do do exercise in thethe morning ng 
>> >> >> >> as your battery will have run out with sleep tracking I suppose.  
>> >> >> >> Is that your experience Donna?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On 28 Sep 2020, at 22:47, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> >> >> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Yes, you do. It uses motion to track you, so if you don't wear 
>> >> >> >> > the watch, it can't.
>> >> >> 

Re: How to use Sleep Mode and tracking in iOS 14 & watchOS 7, Apple Insider

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Then you can’t go and do exercise in the morning as your battery will have run 
out with sleep tracking I suppose.  Is that your experience Donna?

> On 28 Sep 2020, at 22:47, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, you do. It uses motion to track you, so if you don't wear the watch, it 
> can't.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 4:39 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you need to wear your watch at night if you were going to let it track 
>> your sleep if you had the new I watch 6?
>> 
>>> On 22 Sep 2020, at 08:14, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Well, it makes me more stressed than tired. But i am really Tired in the 
>>> morning instead.
>>> /A
>>> 
>>>> 22 sep. 2020 kl. 02:26 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>>> The one thing I would add to this is that you need to treat each day 
>>>> separately. When I first set my sleep schedule, I had in mind when I 
>>>> wanted to go to bed, and when I wanted to get up the next morning. So, 
>>>> when I thought about setting the schedule for Saturday night, I treated 
>>>> Sunday morning as being contingent on Saturday night. I sleep in on 
>>>> Sundays, so was more than a little surprised when my alarm went off at 
>>>> 6:30. ☹️ So, rather than thinking about when you want to go to bed, and 
>>>> when you want to wake up the next morning, think about when you want to 
>>>> wake up on a given day, and when you want to go to bed that same night.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 21, 2020, at 7:15 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How to use Sleep Mode and tracking in iOS 14 & watchOS 7, Apple Insider
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Apple Insider News - Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 1:51 PM
>>>>> 
>>>>> How to use Sleep Mode and tracking in iOS 14 & watchOS 7
>>>>> A key update to both iOS 14 and watchOS 7 is the introduction of
>>>>> sleep-related features, including sleep tracking, a Sleep Mode, and Wind
>>>>> Down. Here's how to take advantage of the features to get a good night's
>>>>> rest. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sleep tracking isn't entirely a new concept to Apple's ecosystem, as the
>>>>> iPhone's has provided some of that functionality for a few years. Users
>>>>> could set a time to go to sleep, receive a reminder on their Apple Watch
>>>>> when they should consider going to bed to wake up on time after a desired
>>>>> number of hours of sleep, and then a log is kept of how much sleep the 
>>>>> user
>>>>> had over time. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> With the introduction of iOS 14 and watchOS 7, Apple has improved the
>>>>> feature and added new elements, all in a bid to get the user to have all 
>>>>> the
>>>>> sleep they need. This is done by a combination of notifications, 
>>>>> scheduling,
>>>>> automation, and tracking the user as they sleep. 
>>>>> Sleep Schedule
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are multiple elements to setting up the entire Sleep ecosystem of
>>>>> features, but it all starts off with setting up a schedule. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> How to enable a sleep schedule in iOS 14
>>>>> . Open the Health app. 
>>>>> . Tap Browse then Sleep. 
>>>>> . Tap Sleep Schedule under Your Schedule. 
>>>>> . Tap the toggle next to Sleep Schedule.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is relatively simple to enable the Sleep Schedule in the Health app in
>>>>> iOS 14
>>>>> How to set a sleep goal in iOS 14
>>>>> . Open the Health app, Browse, and tap Sleep. 
>>>>> . Tap Full Schedule & Options. 
>>>>> . Tap Sleep Goal under Additional Details
>>>>> . Enter your desired amount of sleep, then tap Sleep Goal once again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How to set a sleep goal in watchOS 7
>>>>> . Open the Sleep App. 
>>>>> . Tap Full Schedule. 
>>>>> . Tap Sleep Goal.
>>>>> . Use the plus and minus buttons to change the goal length. 
>>>>> . Tap Sleep Goal at the top of the screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How to set tonight's sleep schedule in iOS 14
>&

Re: How to use Sleep Mode and tracking in iOS 14 & watchOS 7, Apple Insider

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Do you need to wear your watch at night if you were going to let it track your 
sleep if you had the new I watch 6?

> On 22 Sep 2020, at 08:14, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, it makes me more stressed than tired. But i am really Tired in the 
> morning instead.
> /A
> 
>> 22 sep. 2020 kl. 02:26 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> The one thing I would add to this is that you need to treat each day 
>> separately. When I first set my sleep schedule, I had in mind when I wanted 
>> to go to bed, and when I wanted to get up the next morning. So, when I 
>> thought about setting the schedule for Saturday night, I treated Sunday 
>> morning as being contingent on Saturday night. I sleep in on Sundays, so was 
>> more than a little surprised when my alarm went off at 6:30. ☹️ So, rather 
>> than thinking about when you want to go to bed, and when you want to wake up 
>> the next morning, think about when you want to wake up on a given day, and 
>> when you want to go to bed that same night.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2020, at 7:15 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How to use Sleep Mode and tracking in iOS 14 & watchOS 7, Apple Insider
>> 
>> 
>>> Apple Insider News - Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 1:51 PM
>>> 
>>> How to use Sleep Mode and tracking in iOS 14 & watchOS 7
>>> A key update to both iOS 14 and watchOS 7 is the introduction of
>>> sleep-related features, including sleep tracking, a Sleep Mode, and Wind
>>> Down. Here's how to take advantage of the features to get a good night's
>>> rest. 
>>> 
>>> Sleep tracking isn't entirely a new concept to Apple's ecosystem, as the
>>> iPhone's has provided some of that functionality for a few years. Users
>>> could set a time to go to sleep, receive a reminder on their Apple Watch
>>> when they should consider going to bed to wake up on time after a desired
>>> number of hours of sleep, and then a log is kept of how much sleep the user
>>> had over time. 
>>> 
>>> With the introduction of iOS 14 and watchOS 7, Apple has improved the
>>> feature and added new elements, all in a bid to get the user to have all the
>>> sleep they need. This is done by a combination of notifications, scheduling,
>>> automation, and tracking the user as they sleep. 
>>> Sleep Schedule
>>> 
>>> There are multiple elements to setting up the entire Sleep ecosystem of
>>> features, but it all starts off with setting up a schedule. 
>>> 
>>> How to enable a sleep schedule in iOS 14
>>> .   Open the Health app. 
>>> .   Tap Browse then Sleep. 
>>> .   Tap Sleep Schedule under Your Schedule. 
>>> .   Tap the toggle next to Sleep Schedule.
>>> 
>>> It is relatively simple to enable the Sleep Schedule in the Health app in
>>> iOS 14
>>> How to set a sleep goal in iOS 14
>>> .   Open the Health app, Browse, and tap Sleep. 
>>> .   Tap Full Schedule & Options. 
>>> .   Tap Sleep Goal under Additional Details
>>> .   Enter your desired amount of sleep, then tap Sleep Goal once again.
>>> 
>>> How to set a sleep goal in watchOS 7
>>> .   Open the Sleep App. 
>>> .   Tap Full Schedule. 
>>> .   Tap Sleep Goal.
>>> .   Use the plus and minus buttons to change the goal length. 
>>> .   Tap Sleep Goal at the top of the screen.
>>> 
>>> How to set tonight's sleep schedule in iOS 14
>>> .   Open the Health app, Browse, and tap Sleep. 
>>> .   Under Your Schedule, tap Edit. 
>>> .   Move the curved slider to set your ideal Bedtime and Wake Up times.
>>> .   If the curved slider is orange, this indicates there isn't enough
>>> sleep on the schedule to complete your sleep goal, so you need to change the
>>> times again. 
>>> .   Tap Done.
>>> 
>>> How to set tonight's sleep schedule in watchOS 7
>>> .   Open the Sleep App. 
>>> .   Tap the top schedule, under the title Next. 
>>> .   In turn, tap the Wake Up time and BedTime and adjust the figures
>>> using the Digital Crown, followed by Set. 
>>> .   You can change options on the screen relating to whether an alarm
>>> will sound and if Sound and Haptics will be enabled. 
>>> .   Tap Edit Schedule at the top of the screen.
>>> 
>>> Setting up schedules in Sleep on the Apple Watch is also quite easy to do. 
>>> The above only applies to a single night's sleep. The system also includes
>>> the ability to configure an entire repeatable sleep schedule that spans
>>> across an entire week. 
>>> How to set a weekly sleep schedule in iOS 14
>>> .   Open the Health app, Browse, and tap Sleep. 
>>> .   Tap Full Schedule & Options. 
>>> .   Tap Edit under any existing schedule you want to change, or Add
>>> Schedule for Other Days. 
>>> .   Move the curved slider to set your ideal Bedtime and Wake Up times.
>>> Bear in mind that if the slider is orange, you need to set more sleeping
>>> time. 
>>> .   Tap the icons under Days Active to set which days the edited
>>> schedule will apply. 
>>> .   Tap Done.
>>> 
>>> Adjusting the sleep schedule, sleep goal, and Wind Down times in iOS 14.
>>> How to set a weekly sleep schedule 

Re: strange email behavior on my iPad

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

This problem has come to my I phone 10 I couldn’t send an email using this 
alias to one of my lists since I only use this alias on the lists.  I can’t 
find the alias on my I phone so how to turn this feature off and on now please? 
 Why has this thing have to change all the time, it drives me mad.

Kawal.  

> On 22 Sep 2020, at 21:20, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry, 
> 
> Your scenario is slightly different than those of us old-timers with .me 
> accounts.
> 
> Perform some Google searches, as I did, and you may find the solution.
> 
> Also, there is no harm in first enabling your alias, in questin, and then 
> disabling it, to see what happens.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 1:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: strange email behavior on my iPad
> 
> My alias is already set to off and yet the problem occurs!
> Harry
> 
>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 22:19, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> So, in short, what you and I want is to send emails that display our .me 
>> email address, only, not our iCloud alias; or any other iCloud alias, for 
>> that matter.
>> 
>> To do this in OS 14, do the following:
>> 
>> 1.
>> From settings, select your name.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Select iCloud.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Near the bottom of the display, select Mail.  A dialog window will open.  
>> 
>> 4.
>> Disable your iCloud alias by toggling it to Off.
>> 
>> 5.
>> Select the Done button, near the upper right corner of the display, to save 
>> your changes.
>> 
>> That's all there is to it.
>> 
>> Strangely enough, apparently, this is a feature that was introduced in OS 13 
>> but the default for aliases was automatically set to off
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Re: Mark on iOS14, iPadOS14, and Scene Descriptions

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Well I hope the 12 has a Touch ID as I can’t use Face ID when I have to use a 
mask.  I bet Apple will put it on there and there excuse will be due to wearing 
masks.

Kawal.

> On 18 Sep 2020, at 19:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> I am not noticing any keyboard sluggishness.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark! Hope you are doing well. It would be so nice to have a zoom 
>> meeting depending on what time morning is in Swedish time. One thing I am 
>> curious about is if you guys feel that the keyboard is more sluggish with 
>> Siri voices? Not much but a bit sluggish. With the Swedish one the keyboard 
>> is quite sluggish so I have to use the nuance voice is a lot which I really 
>> don't like as they are having some kind of glitch when it speaks. There is a 
>> small crack sometimes when it starts talking. Otherwise I don't have any 
>> problems with The new update. Maybe the screen recognition but that's been 
>> there since the data came out.
>> 
>>> 18 sep. 2020 kl. 18:02 skrev M. Taylor :
>>> 
>>> Hello Family,
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> I installed iPad OS 14 on my 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 tablet.
>>> 
>>> Several of the new features of iPad OS 14 are not available on this model.
>>> However, the VoiceOver Scene Description feature is available, albeit a
>>> scaled-down version, and was set to on, by default.  This feature drove me
>>> crazy because it kept saying something like "triangle or diagonal" almost
>>> all the time when viewing items in a list.  It took me what seemed like
>>> forever to find where this feature was located in the OS.  I found the
>>> setting under VoiceOver Verbosity.  I turned the feature to off but doing so
>>> did not disable the feature until after a restart of the device.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> I installed iOS14 on an iPhone 11.  Strangely enough, all of the scene
>>> descriptions were set to off, by default.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> My primary device is my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  The 8 Plus has been on the
>>> market for quite a while and, as happens to all devices, sooner or later,
>>> installing the latest OS begins to slow down the responsiveness of the
>>> phone.  So, I am not going to install iOS14 on my 8 Plus until after hearing
>>> from various people on this list, that doing so will not cause my 8 Plus to
>>> slow down.  I am also not going to install 14 on my 8 Plus because I am
>>> planning on purchasing an iPhone 12 when it is released; assuming that it
>>> ships with a Touch ID sensor, as I strongly suspect that it will.  If the
>>> iPhone 12 does not include a Touch ID sensor, then I will try to hold out
>>> for another year in hopes that Apple will bring the hardware feature back on
>>> a later model.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Finally, my beloved Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus has an in-display Touch ID
>>> sensor / Home button.  I am hoping that Apple will include the same or
>>> similar feature on iPhone 12.  However, given the way that they have
>>> implemented the new Touch ID on its latest releases of iPAds, all bets are
>>> off.  Just have to wait and see.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> I would like to host another Zoom group discussion this Sunday so we can
>>> talk about all of the new Apple software and hardware features and devices.
>>> If I can manage it, I will send out a notice early Sunday morning.
>>> 
>>> I hope you are all doing well.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I was a bit pissed off (I know I shouldn’t use that) but no phone, I thought 
how rubbish as I want a new phone  as I need to upgrade at some point from the 
10. 

I have sold the watch so I might get a series 6. I have upgraded my present 
phone and am wondering what has changed with voice over?

Kawal. 

> On 17 Sep 2020, at 21:28, Dan Rathburn  wrote:
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> 
> Hello,
> 
> I listened to the event with the video description on my SE 2020. For the 
> first time, I am thinking about getting an Aple Watch and giving serious 
> consideration to getting an iPad. I've reached an age where healthe issues 
> are a concern and the Apple Watch seems like a good tool to have handy. Since 
> getting the SE 2020, I've been using my iPhone 6 Plus as an iPod but it is 
> nearly 8 years old hence the interest in the iPad. The availibility of time 
> payments makes them worth the look. The event was rather low-key without an 
> audience but informative just the same. They should've followed the example 
> of the NFL and used canned crowd noise
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
> not.
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> Subject: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
>> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt more 
>> like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s thoughts 
>> are.
>> 
>> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, 
>> but I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My current 
>> watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be worth it, 
>> and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued by the new 
>> iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I currently have 
>> a sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
>> 
>> Anyone else have any reactions?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Bluetooth works on my Focus when it's docked with other devices.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

The Braille display has a Perkins style keyboard.  Just wish the support on the 
Mac was better.

Kawal.

> On 16 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Does this unit has a keyboard?
> In catalina braille has been somewhat better.
> But not as good as i have been hoping for years.
> /A
> 
>> 16 sep. 2020 kl. 21:58 skrev 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi 
>> 
>> Just wanted to let everyone know that my Focus Braille display is working 
>> with my I Mac  as before it refused to pair when it was connected with my 
>> ElBraille.  I think the last update fixed the problem.  So if I wanted to 
>> send an email from my Braille display are there commands to do so?  I am 
>> using the Focus but I know from experience that Braille support on the Mac 
>> is rather useless.
>> 
>> Kawal..
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Bluetooth works on my Focus when it's docked with other devices.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi 

Just wanted to let everyone know that my Focus Braille display is working with 
my I Mac  as before it refused to pair when it was connected with my ElBraille. 
 I think the last update fixed the problem.  So if I wanted to send an email 
from my Braille display are there commands to do so?  I am using the Focus but 
I know from experience that Braille support on the Mac is rather useless.

Kawal..

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Re: OT OCR software for windows

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

You could always ask Freedom Scientific.

> On 16 Sep 2020, at 14:04, jeff `greene  wrote:
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> Hi, If I look in programs and features I do see something called
> freedom scientific omnipage but I can't find the .exe file to launch
> it.
> Thanks Jeff
> 
> 
> On 9/16/20, kglists via MacVisionaries  
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>> I think Jaws has an OCR thing built in and you just use a scanner. I just
>> use my I phone to scan things or call era to help if it’s a five minute
>> discussion!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of jeff `greene
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: OT OCR software for windows
>> 
>> Hi List, I know this is off-topic but I'm going crazy. I always used to use
>> DocuScan+ from Serotek but its not working on my desktop pc.
>> Does anybody know of an OCR package for windows 10 that's accessible with
>> Jaws?
>> Thanks Jeff
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Re: Forwarding a Text Message on the Mac

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Can you do Command shift F to forward the text message?  I know I can forward 
these on I phones but can’t remember if I can do it on the Mac.

> On 14 Sep 2020, at 17:25, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Why on earth can I do this on an iPhone, but cannot do it on a Mac?
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Re: Measure App on iPhone 8

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I still don’t know how to use the measure feature.

> On 6 Sep 2020, at 18:54, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Is it possible for a blind VoiceOver user to use the Measure App on an iPhone 
> 8 running IOS 13.7 to measure the size of a room and then the size of various 
> items of furniture? It will hopefully not be a tight fit so high precision is 
> not necessary.
> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Stopping emergency SOS notifications

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How do you clear the SOS?  My brother is my only emergency contact but he has 
an android.  Would that affect anything?  I am careful not to press the SOS 
feature.  However, before I Mae my Brother my SOS contact, I woke up one day 
and pressed the SOS feature and the police answered as I hit it on my watch by 
accident as my finger slipped.   So I changed the contact sos to my brother’s 
number and since then I have not slipped my finger.   

> On 6 Sep 2020, at 17:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Oh! That makes total sense. You’re right, that was very smart thinking on 
> Apple’s part. It’s kind of funny, I sort of freaked out when I sent out the 
> SOS, but now I’m sort of glad that I did. It’s nice to know what will happen 
> if I ever need to do that.
> 
> Thanks for all this info.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Jed Barton  wrote:
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>> So i found out the reason why you have to clear this, cause i called
>> apple accessibility to find out.
>> The idea is if you get transported to a hospital by ambulance, your
>> emergency contacts will know where you are if you can't communicate
>> with them.  When i thought about it, i was like wow, brilliant move by
>> apple.
>> You just have to remember to clear it.
>> 
>>> On 9/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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>>> Well, I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s managed to do this. Happily, my
>>> husband was sitting in the same room with me, so no problem there, but it
>>> did freak out my mother and sister-in-law. LOL
>>> 
>>> By the way in case any of you wonder what happens when you send out an
>>> emergency SOS, all of your emergency contacts are sent a text with your
>>> location they then receive updates on your location every time you go
>>> anywhere until you turn it off, as Jed said, in settings. I guess it’s handy
>>> in case you’re ever kidnapped. lol
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Jed Barton  wrote:
 
 Ah, i had the same problem.  What you have to do is go into settings
 and clear it. I think you go under emergency notifications, and clear
 it.  Don't feel bad, had the same problem.
 
> On 9/6/20, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This morning I accidentally sent out an emergency SOS, and now my
> emergency
> contacts are getting notified every time my location changes. Does
> anyone
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Re: Zoom

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I had a good look for that audio thing and couldn’t find it. I don’t like the 
way that Zoom has changed on the Mac. It was complicated enough but now you 
need to go into a browser which makes things ridiculous.

> On 6 Sep 2020, at 9:55 am, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> yeah. I found that camera place. I'm on a mini too and what I was looking 
> for was the audio but that camera request thing over-rides everything else. I 
> don't have a camera either and I'm not planning to get one either.
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 3:53 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> My problem with Zoom is that it seemingly can't comprehend someone might
>> want to use Zoom audio only--with no camera.
>> 
>> I'm forever getting a Zoom popup asking me to enable the video camera.
>> I don't have one, of course, on my Mini.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Did you go into the preferences of Zoom?  Then you can configure 
>>> everything.  Command comma will take you to preferences if you have Zoom 
>>> open and you are in that app.  Then Vo left to the table, interact by doing 
>>> VO down arrow then you can configure each setting.
>>>>> On 5 Sep 2020, at 06:26, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm trying to enable stereo on my Zoom desktop client. the instructions 
>>>>> say to click profile picture and then click the audio tab. I can't  find 
>>>>> the audio tab.apparently you can only do it on the desktop client.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks.
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Re: Zoom

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I go in to zoom preferences and profile, there is an advanced feature link but 
you have to open it in browser.

I don’t want to open mine at the moment but you can have a look.

Zoom has changed a bit I have noticed on the Mac as I was having my flute 
lesson last week and as I had just got this Mac and had just set up Zoom, I had 
to change the background suppression of noises and noticed then that Zoom had 
changed.  It’s  a bit annoying when something is changed half a dozen times 
from one week to the next.

Kawal.

> On 5 Sep 2020, at 19:51, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> enable stereo is supposed to be in "advanced" but I don't see it there. do 
> you know anything about that?
> 
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>> Did you go into the preferences of Zoom?  Then you can configure everything. 
>>  Command comma will take you to preferences if you have Zoom open and you 
>> are in that app.  Then Vo left to the table, interact by doing VO down arrow 
>> then you can configure each setting.
>>> On 5 Sep 2020, at 06:26, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>>> I'm trying to enable stereo on my Zoom desktop client. the instructions say 
>>> to click profile picture and then click the audio tab. I can't  find the 
>>> audio tab.apparently you can only do it on the desktop client.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Zoom

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Did you go into the preferences of Zoom?  Then you can configure everything.  
Command comma will take you to preferences if you have Zoom open and you are in 
that app.  Then Vo left to the table, interact by doing VO down arrow then you 
can configure each setting.
> On 5 Sep 2020, at 06:26, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I'm trying to enable stereo on my Zoom desktop client. the instructions say 
> to click profile picture and then click the audio tab. I can't  find the 
> audio tab.apparently you can only do it on the desktop client.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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New version of VMWare?

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Does anyone know when a new version of Fusion for Windows virtual machine for 
the Mac is coming out?  Always handy to have a backup in case something goes 
wrong with  a windows tablet which has no screen!

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Re: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help please.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I tried to pair it through the VO utility.  But the pairing keeps timing out.  
This is on the Focus 14 and 40.  I will get in touch with Accessability 
tomorrow.

Kawal.

> On 2 Sep 2020, at 18:17, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
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> Hi!
> Do you pair it through the Vo-utility or the Bluetooth settings?
> I am not having such issues with the actilino i have.
> /A
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>> 2 sep. 2020 kl. 12:55 skrev kglists via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
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>> My Focus Braille display won’t connect as the Bluetooth times out very fast. 
>> I have updated the firmware on the Braille display. I have now fixed my 
>> email settings as I cloud wouldn’t bring them all across.  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 11:06 PM
>> To: via MacVisionaries > >
>> Subject: Re: Some issues with my IMac 2020 if someone can give me some help 
>> please.
>>  
>> Hi!
>> What braille display?
>> It can be a bit tricky to do but you set that up in Vo Utility.
>> /A
>> 
>> 
>>> 1 sep. 2020 kl. 22:23 skrev kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
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>>> Hi There.
>>>  
>>> I am having some trouble with my new IMac Mid 20 because I can’t find some 
>>> settings whilst setting up.
>>>  
>>> This wasn’t the case when I had the MacBook Pro 2015 nor was it when I set 
>>> up my last IMac which I recently got rid of.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, I can still do this using I O S so I must be missing a step.
>>>  
>>> Usually, I wish to send emails from my alias as I have about 5 of these but 
>>> only use two.
>>>  
>>> When I go in to the IMac Accounts menu and try to choose the from field so 
>>> that you can choose which account you send your message from the from field 
>>> isn’t there so you have the bcc field, high priority field and CC field but 
>>> I can’t find the from field.
>>>  
>>> If anyone can tell me how to get to it then I can send messages to my lists 
>>> that I am using my aliases on.  So if I create a new message, I have a BCC 
>>> field, CC Field, High priority field but not a from field.
>>>  
>>> I am also trying to set up my Braille display using Bluetooth but it’s 
>>> timing out very quickly.  I have made sure that my software on my Braille 
>>> display is up-to-date.
>>>  
>>> I hope that Big Seur will get me a chime for my IMac.
>>>  
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>>>  
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Touch Bar on the new Model IMac.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

I’m buying the new modelIMac and wanted to know if there is the Touchbar 
involved?  

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Re: Voiceover beta testers discussion group

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Hi.

I hope people are testing the Braille displays with the new software as it’s 
about time Braille for OS was improved.

Kawal.

> On 24 Aug 2020, at 01:40, Kliph Senior  wrote:
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> I am the owner of that list, and here is the info you need
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> Because of the non disclosure agreement, I have to say if your not a beta 
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>> Hello Maurice,
>> 
>> Thank you for your reply.  Would you have the website address where i could 
>> subscribe to the public beta testers’ list?
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 20:57, maurice mines >> > wrote:
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>>> good afternoon, the list you are looking for is the public beta users list. 
>>> On that list we discussed in general issues we encounter while testing for 
>>> accessibility. Of course voiceover is at the heart of that testing. Please 
>>> note however that if you got something that really is serious go to 
>>> beta.apple.com  and report it there it has been my 
>>> experience that the beta feedback form that is included with each kind of 
>>> beta software, is not very accessible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maurice Mines.
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 Does anyone know where to find voiceover beta testers discussion group?
 
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Re: package tracking app

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Hello.

> somebody introduced me to an app called Parcel. It is very accessible. All 
> you do is put in the tracking number for the package that you are going to 
> send. Once that is done, you will select the carrier which comes up 
> automatically. then hit the done button and then if you pay a small fee in 
> the UK it’s £2 and 99p, once a year, you will then have tracking information 
> 24 seven. On 20 Aug 2020, at 5:39 am, Lorie McCloud  
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> I've been using Parcel track to track packages. it worked great and was 
> accessible. now after I enter all the info, the whole thing disappears and vo 
> doesn't find anything on the screen. this is on my phone. it still sends me 
> notices about where my package is but I can't tap on it any ore and hear 
> exactly where my package has been delivered to. guess it's time for a 
> different package tracking app. suggestions?
> 
> thanks.
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Re: Off Topic Free Matter for the Blind Shipping

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I find it most strange that the US refer to people as visually handicapped as 
in the UK no one uses handicapped much.  We have free postage labels if we want 
to send any items which are designed for the visually impaired.  I don’t think 
they have written on them Free matter for the Blind.  It just says postage 
free.  All the post offices have a guide and they know what to do.  You’d think 
there was a common standard re all visually impaired people being able to send 
things for the blind across the world.

Kawal.

> On 19 Aug 2020, at 20:19, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> I thought free matter for the blind was just that!
> Does anybody no the "statute #"?
> The post office is so whacked out I wouldn't trust them to get a post card 
> from point a to point b! :(
> To bad FedX doesn't do free matter for the blind!
> Thanks
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Ibraheem Fakir wrote:
> 
>> I am totally fine with filling out an application for a permit had they 
>> asked me to. Instead they hit me with a hard refusal. I found it baffling 
>> that they told me I need to go to the library to ship my package. I thought 
>> post offices is where you shipped mail and libraries are were you borrow 
>> books LOL.
>> 
>> All best,
>> Ibraheem
>>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:15 PM, 'Peggy' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The post office here tries to do the same thing to me. They said I needed 
>>> to fill out an application for a permit. I have been using free matter ever 
>>> since I was little. Show them the section of the postal code for free 
>>> matter.
>>> 
>>> Peggy and Dixie Marie
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
 
 Hey there,
 
 Anyone use free matter for the blind shipping and have any guidelines on 
 how to use it? I tried using it the other day at the post office to send 
 braille books to a student, but the post office seemed like they had no 
 idea what to do and referred me to go to a library to ship my package. 
 Realizing how unaware they were, I decided not to push on and to cross 
 check with others to make sure I’m doing this right. Do I need any special 
 card or something in order to use the service? I simply wrote free matter 
 for the blind on the box.
 
 The post office seemed to have an issue with me being an individual 
 sending the package. They said that only libraries can use the service. ON 
 the contrary,   my research seems to show that anyone who is sending 
 materials to eligible patrons can use the service. They weren’t trying to 
 hear that LOL. Sometimes when advocating for your rights and the rights of 
 others is exhausting…
 
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New Braille Cursor in IOS when using Braille display.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi All.

Recently after updating my I Phone to the latest firmware I had to use my Focus 
14 to imput  a message using the Braille display and noticed there is a new 
braille cursor so you know where your cursor is when you need to correct a word 
or edit a word or delete something.

I thought that was great.  Has anyone else noticed this?

I wish that Braille imput was good as IOS as using Mac OS is rubbish.

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Re: Connecting Alexa Ecco Dott to your Mac

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Oh, thanks a lot.  Will do this.

> On 14 Aug 2020, at 16:11, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi, I believe this is what I did.
> 
> Go to your Mac’s bluetooth preference pain and make sure bluetooth is turned 
> on. Have Boiceover’s focus inside the table of devices you have previously 
> connected to. Then, ask Alexa to pair to a new device. Start arrowing up and 
> down inside that bluetooth table. Echo should show up soon, then enter or 
> VO-space on it to connect. After this you can adjust some settings, like the 
> volume of the external device, or if you want your system settings to come 
> through your Mac or the Echo. I set the volume to 100%, but this is separate 
> from Echo’s volume from 1-10. I had to set it to 100% to hear. My Echo was 
> only on volume 3.
> 
> Good luck,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2020, at 5:55 AM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi.
>> 
>> Please could someone tell me how to connect Alexa Ecco Dot to your Mac so 
>> you can play stuff from the Mac on it like your music as I don’t want or 
>> need Music subscriptions.
>> 
>> I did open Bluetooth preferences on my Mac.  Or do you ask Alexa to connect 
>> to my I Mac?  If so, what do you say?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Connecting Alexa Ecco Dott to your Mac

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

Please could someone tell me how to connect Alexa Ecco Dot to your Mac so you 
can play stuff from the Mac on it like your music as I don’t want or need Music 
subscriptions.

I did open Bluetooth preferences on my Mac.  Or do you ask Alexa to connect to 
my I Mac?  If so, what do you say?

Thanks.

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Re: Accessibility issues inside the amazon application

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I noticed that the IOS app has changed again.  It was OK last time why change 
it?  So far I haven’t had the capture.  If I do I’ll be annoyed as you can’t 
gett anyone on the phone unless they are introducing that again although I’m in 
the UK.

Kawal.

> On 14 Aug 2020, at 09:47, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> I had the same experience Karen describes. I called them to report that books 
> don't display properly in the Kindle app on IOS. It's like all the formatting 
> stripped, and the text reads in one giant line with no paragraphs or chapter 
> headings or anything. The tech support person was very nice, and said he 
> would submit it as a feature request, but nothing has changed.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 10:37 PM, Tim M  wrote:
>> 
>> That is why I use my phone ap to buy from them.
>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
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>>> Not personally surprised  the so called captcha solutions have been 
>>> nonfunctional for several months now at least.
>>> My conversations with Amazon indicate their disability team exists to put 
>>> items in carts, not to address correct or impact any aspect of inclusion at 
>>> all.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2020, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all,
 
 Recently, I had a bit of a go around with disability support on amazon. 
 Essentially, I was confronted with their captcha system when trying to get 
 the app to log in. After the password was accepted, the captcha came up 
 and I tapped the audio alternative, only to be confronted with a page that 
 stated “the page you requested does not exist”. After calling amazon 
 customer support, I was told there wasn’t anything they could do about 
 this currently.
 
 So, are there apps on the App Store that anyone knows of that can read a 
 captcha and solve it? I tried finding a few, only to end up with a lot of 
 search results for image rendering, editing and the like. Not one single 
 solver in the bunch.
 
 Honestly, this is very frustrating and the fact that amazon is so big that 
 they feel they can flout the law makes it even more so. Any suggestions or 
 help would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Eric
 
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Re: airdrop

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi There.

I was writing my last message on a braille display using windows so I am not 
sure what my question was.

Anyway, I’m writing on my Mac again so I’ll ask my question as I think I may 
remember what I meant.

Anyway, I’d like to know if you make yourself discoverable with anyone, can you 
air drop messages to anyone (let’s say) you were in a room of strangers and you 
wanted to send something to one of them.  Can you only airdrop to IOS and OS 
users?  How do you know that someone can Airdrop?

Thanks.

Kawal.

> On 12 Aug 2020, at 17:43, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
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> My bad…. Dave’s right, 30 feet closer to the truth, sorry.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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>> Actually BlueTooth is rated for up to 30 feet…
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar
>> 
>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure what you mean by your question. The one thing you have to remember 
>> is that Airdrop uses bluetooth, and for Bluetooth to work the two devices 
>> you intend to use have to be within a couple feet of each other. Also, make 
>> sure that in your Airdrop settings, the devices are discoverable by everyone 
>> or contacts.
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 7:58 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hello. 
>>> 
>>> I wrote my Email before I saw this reply.
>>> 
>>> Can you not Airdrop with friends and facilth?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:58 PM
>>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: airdrop
>>> 
>>> Hi Lorie,
>>> 
>>> Airdrop  uses Bluetooth to do its thing, so bluetooth has to be enabled on 
>>> both your Mac and your iPhone. Go to Finder. Then, press Command+Shift+R, 
>>> and this will open the Airdrop window. VO to the bottom where it says 
>>> “allow me to be discovered by”. There’s a popup with choices of No one, 
>>> Contacts or everyone. Once you make that choice, your Mac can be seen by 
>>> other devices close to it, like your iPhone. So, if you wanted to, say, 
>>> send a photo to your Mac from your iPhone, you find the photo in question, 
>>> open it, and then VO to the Share button and double tap it. One of the 
>>> share options will be Airdrop. When you double-tap Airdrop, your Mac should 
>>> come up on the list of devices. Double tap on the Mac, and your Mac will 
>>> give you an alert saying that it’s waiting to receive something from your 
>>> iPhone. You indicate where you want the photo to go, I usually put them 
>>> into my Downloads folder, accept the request, and it will be transferred. I 
>>> hope I’ve not missed anything, but hopefully this will at least point you 
>>> in the right direction.
>>> 
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 how do you prepare your Mac to receive airdrop from say, your phone? also, 
 how do you use your Mac to send something via airdrop?
 
 thanks.
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Re: Focus 40 Braille display

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Hi Donna.

I never said it was difficult to pair  the  display on a Mac, I’m just saying 
that the commands are very difficult to use i.e. they’re not as simple as iOS. 
That is how I see it at the moment.

> On 5 Aug 2020, at 8:08 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks, Kawal. Glad to hear that the scratchpad issue was resolved. 
> 
> Do others have the same difficulty pairing your Focus with your Mac? That 
> would be a deal breaker for me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 1:53 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi Donna.
>> 
>> Focus works just fine on the Scratch Pad now.  There was a recent update.
>> 
>> I still can’t use Braille on the Mac and have tried.  Works great on the I 
>> Phone.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 19:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation for 
>>> the day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille displays.
>>> 
>>> Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
>>> choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be the 
>>> Focus 40. Two questions:
>>> 1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
>>> 2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
>>> something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
>>> limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of 
>>> writing on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad 
>>> but I would like the Word processor to be functional for those times when I 
>>> do need to jot something down.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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