Re: I gave up on my Apple watch.

[Angie Nutt]

Hi,

I’ve had the sports model since about June and have never had this problem.

All the best
Angie
> On 10 Dec 2015, at 22:38, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Wow!  Just FYI, Kawal, I have the sports model, too, and I haven't had any of 
> those problems.  Sometimes I have to tap it a couple of times to get it to 
> shut off, but that is the worst of it for me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> First day without the watch and I miss it, a time piece on my wrist.
>> 
>> Now I’ll tell you why I gave up on it as I was very happy with it but mine 
>> had this flaw and I don’t know if anyone had it.
>> 
>> Please note wrist to raise with voice over was off.  So think about this.  
>> You do your normal duties be it round the house, at work or out and about.  
>> Then suddenly this watch would start talking as if you had pressed it.  Not 
>> just that, it would go in and out of apps as if you were touching it.  I had 
>> to tap it ten or 20 times to lock it before it stopped.  Some times when it 
>> was raining and my sleeve got wet and it would start talking, talking and 
>> talking!  So I’d have to power it off.  You don’t know how much it got on my 
>> nerves, I wanted to throw it somewhere for it to stop!  I thought the new 
>> update would sort it as I had reset it loads.  New update didn’t stop it.
>> 
>> You would have said call Apple but Apple would have said for me to reset and 
>> then I’d have to take a day off work just to sit at home to wait for a 
>> courier and I couldn’t do it at this time as my annual leave has almost 
>> expired!  So yesterday morning after another period of this watch doing its 
>> moving in to apps back and forth in and out, I got to the point, I would not 
>> tolerate this watch anymore.  So you see what a time I had with it.  Also, 
>> after the new update, when my work out ended, it would continue to count and 
>> count down and I had to power it off.  Then another day it would crash for a 
>> whole day and when it finally come back on, there would be no power left it 
>> died until it was charged!  So there is my story.  So now I wait for the 
>> next one and this time I’ll not get the sports as I am wondering because it 
>> was sports it did this thing that got on my nerves!  How I miss my time 
>> piece though.
>> 
>> Kawal.   
>>> On 10 Dec 2015, at 22:00, Alex Hall >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm waiting until quarter 2 of 2016, when the second generation should 
>>> arrive. I'd love to hear what you (the OP) disliked; all the better to make 
>>> as informed a choice as I can when we see what the updated hardware has.
 On Dec 10, 2015, at 15:59, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote:
 
 I'm actually very very highly considerring getting one at the beginning of 
 next year.
  
 Chris.
  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Donna Goodin 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: I gave up on my Apple watch.
> 
> I completely agree!  I'm still very happy with mine.  Do let us know, 
> Kawal.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Daniel Miller > > wrote:
>> 
>> That’s what I’d like to know as well. I absolutely love mine, and don’t 
>> notice any accessibility concerns at all.
>> Now do I wish the hardware could’ve been a little faster? Yes, but for a 
>> first-generation product that’s had 2 major updates since it’s launch, 
>> it’s quite remarkable.
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, I thought you liked the watch.  What did you find frustrating 
>>> about it?
>>> 
>>> I was going to get one but it sounds like a new one will be released 
>>> early in 2016.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 9, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 I gave up on my Apple watch today as I was not happy with it.
 
 I don’t think the latest update did it any favours!  So I gave it up 
 and sold it.  Now I wait for the next generation and I hope it will be 
 more functional than what it was as I’d like a little more 
 independence from the phone!
 I'm fundraising for RNIB.
 
 Please help me make a difference by making a donation to my Virgin 
 Money Giving page. 
 
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Re: I gave up on my Apple watch.

[Angie Nutt]

Hi,

I certainly don’t think you’re stupid but get what you mean because when I get 
problems I wonder if it’s me or not; somehow I doubt it in your particular case.

All the best
Angie
> On 11 Dec 2015, at 03:26, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> If I had more days left to play with, I probably would have called Apple and 
> sorted it out. 
> 
> I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I just thought that I was 
> doing something wrong with it. And, I did not like to share this with the 
> list, just in case someone thought that I was being stupid.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 11 Dec 2015, at 3:13 am, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:
> 
>> Both were disabled. Anyway, the thing has gone now! I just wait for the next!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 10 Dec 2015, at 10:45 pm, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kawal, were activate on wrist raise, and speak on wrist raise, both 
>>> disabled?
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
 On 11/12/2015, at 11:13 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 First day without the watch and I miss it, a time piece on my wrist.
 
 Now I’ll tell you why I gave up on it as I was very happy with it but mine 
 had this flaw and I don’t know if anyone had it.
 
 Please note wrist to raise with voice over was off.  So think about this.  
 You do your normal duties be it round the house, at work or out and about. 
  Then suddenly this watch would start talking as if you had pressed it.  
 Not just that, it would go in and out of apps as if you were touching it.  
 I had to tap it ten or 20 times to lock it before it stopped.  Some times 
 when it was raining and my sleeve got wet and it would start talking, 
 talking and talking!  So I’d have to power it off.  You don’t know how 
 much it got on my nerves, I wanted to throw it somewhere for it to stop!  
 I thought the new update would sort it as I had reset it loads.  New 
 update didn’t stop it.
 
 You would have said call Apple but Apple would have said for me to reset 
 and then I’d have to take a day off work just to sit at home to wait for a 
 courier and I couldn’t do it at this time as my annual leave has almost 
 expired!  So yesterday morning after another period of this watch doing 
 its moving in to apps back and forth in and out, I got to the point, I 
 would not tolerate this watch anymore.  So you see what a time I had with 
 it.  Also, after the new update, when my work out ended, it would continue 
 to count and count down and I had to power it off.  Then another day it 
 would crash for a whole day and when it finally come back on, there would 
 be no power left it died until it was charged!  So there is my story.  So 
 now I wait for the next one and this time I’ll not get the sports as I am 
 wondering because it was sports it did this thing that got on my nerves!  
 How I miss my time piece though.
 
 Kawal. 
> On 10 Dec 2015, at 22:00, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> I'm waiting until quarter 2 of 2016, when the second generation should 
> arrive. I'd love to hear what you (the OP) disliked; all the better to 
> make as informed a choice as I can when we see what the updated hardware 
> has.
>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 15:59, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm actually very very highly considerring getting one at the beginning 
>> of next year.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Donna Goodin 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: I gave up on my Apple watch.
>>> 
>>> I completely agree!  I'm still very happy with mine.  Do let us know, 
>>> Kawal.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Dec 10, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Daniel Miller > wrote:
 
 That’s what I’d like to know as well. I absolutely love mine, and 
 don’t notice any accessibility concerns at all.
 Now do I wish the hardware could’ve been a little faster? Yes, but for 
 a first-generation product that’s had 2 major updates since it’s 
 launch, it’s quite remarkable.
 
> On Dec 10, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Wow, I thought you liked the watch.  What did you find frustrating 
> 

Re: Brexit, wishing our friends across the pond well

[Angie Nutt]

Hi Kawal

Like you I voted to remain, in part because of my concern for the economy. 
While the campaign was going on a friend of mine said that if we leave we’d be 
throwing the baby out with the bath water to which I wholeheartedly agree. I 
hope the leave vote was worth it and that we do better than if we had stayed or 
at least as well. Who knows?

All the best
Angie
> On 24 Jun 2016, at 14:04, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> So today, I have very anxious feelings of what will be for Britain next?  
> 
> Scotland wishes to leave and may be we get the reunification for Ireland so 
> where does this leave the rest of the UK, England and Wales?
> 
> I just hope inflation and interest rates will not rise and present risks to 
> our livelihoods.  I deplore British citizens saying that this vote was worth 
> people losing their jobs.  I have been feeling very emotional and upset 
> because of some selfish people in society.  I voted to remain like I said and 
> on TV at the moment there are those who are still arguing as to what happens 
> next and the rest of the EU saying that there will be consequences.  How can 
> the world heal, come together and be more tolerant?  Then Mr Trump changing 
> his tune to fit the circumstances.  American are also in some difficulty as 
> the Democrats had a sitting in congress to get gun laws but the republicans 
> say no so there is no unity in the world and at present I am worried about 
> how things will pan out for the world.  Sorry this is pessimistic but I live 
> for the long term and not the short.  I am a deep person and take seriously 
> the world’s problems to heart.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 24 Jun 2016, at 13:05, CHUCK REICHEL > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> Sorry to hear about your loss. :(
>> As for England I also will raise a frosty mug of Sam adams and celebrate and 
>> wait till "november" here in the USA for the same!
>> GOD Bless America!
>> Home of Apple! :)
>> Talk soon
>> Chuck
>> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:58 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> Well I’ve been riveted watching this all day, I’m going on 24 hours here, 
>>> it’s also a welcome distraction to some really really bad stuff happening 
>>> on my family level right now so forgive me if I use your country’s politics 
>>> as a distraction.:)  My grandmother oddly enough who is the connection to 
>>> Britain for me passed after 96 years on this rock and it’s all closing in 
>>> on me now that I am only one of 3 left in our family and the other 2 are on 
>>> the shorter end of their lives than longer so I’m feeling a bit freaked out 
>>> and my numbers are dwindling down to 0 so if I get in the weeds you get it.
>>> To give you an idea why I feel such a connection with your country my 
>>> family on my mother’s side came to this country fairly recently.  My grand 
>>> mother and grand father came over to this country on boats I believe before 
>>> world war 2 and settled on the east coast as well as Detroit.  My great 
>>> Grand father, mother’s grand father actually worked on your crown jewels.  
>>> I have jewelers drawings hand made by him used to create some of the items 
>>> in your tower of London today.  I’ve frequently thought about giving them 
>>> to one of your museums if you’d have them but I have no idea their value or 
>>> if they represent any thing special to the British people or even what or 
>>> who should have them.  It’s this man’s daughter, my grand mother who passed 
>>> this morning.  She taught me so much about your part of the world from your 
>>> money to telling me stories about my cousins who I don’t know but sell 
>>> fruit in fruit stands somewhere in London or another husband and wife 
>>> relation of ours who I met once years ago and don’t know exactly how they 
>>> fit but they own a sweater company in Scotland.  I remember these people 
>>> coming to visit us and my Grand Father who is from Whales loved taking them 
>>> to sites around the north east US where we americans beat back the British 
>>> during the Revolution.:)  He loved giving the English side of our family a 
>>> real ribbing about the revolution when they would come to visit. In the 
>>> same breath though, my grandfather served during World War II and I know 
>>> always talked about the Brits he served proudly with.  
>>> I say all this because I’m not the only one.  So many of us have such 
>>> connections to your island.  So understand when you say all in together and 
>>> all that, I consider very much we folks on both sides of the pond on the 
>>> same team.
>>> BTW, BBC and ITV just called it in favor of leaving  I’m shocked but 
>>> you’ve definitely made things interesting over here.  Your vaporizing my 
>>> financial holdings as I watch this, thanks guys☺, but I’m in, I wish we 
>>> could shake off our oppressive federal government like you all just did the 
>>> EU.  The rebel in me feels a 

Re: How Do You Use iOS?

[Angie Nutt]

Just remembered more while reading what others are using:

BlindSquare, mainly on the bus; Whatsapp; Skype, mainly when my husband’s away 
overnight and we want to chat; Messaging; Hive, for controlling our central 
heating. Ocado, for ordering groceries. Travelling GB, for checking bus times.

All the best
Angie
> On 3 May 2016, at 11:54, Angie Nutt <an...@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> The apps I use at the moment are:
> 
> Kindle, one of my favourites; KNFB Reader occasionally; Tweetings for 
> Twitter; Facebook; a couple of TV related apps called Sky+ and Sky Q; Notes, 
> often for jotting down grocery lists; Reminders, almost daily; Calendar; 
> Mail, though more for reading than writing; Access Note, mainly for writing 
> down my dreams, then sink thee notes to Dropbox, so there’s another one 
> slipped in there :) and Safari, probably my most used app; and how could I 
> forget: Music.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
>> On 30 Apr 2016, at 08:35, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> I just want to thank you all for contributing to this thread.  
>> 
>> Honestly, I cannot stop smiling when I read your lists of apps and discover 
>> all of the various ways you use them.
>> 
>> To those who have not yet posted, please remember that you do not need to 
>> list only apps that have not yet been mentioned; just list the apps that you 
>> use and how you use them if they are not self-explanatory.  
>> 
>> Personally, I am making a list of all of the marvelous apps you have brought 
>> to my attention that I have not yet explored.
>> 
>> From the bottom of my heart, I thank you and, let’s keep ‘em coming.  (Big, 
>> Big, Smile).
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 3:46 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: How Do You Use iOS?
>> 
>> Hi Mark, cool thread here’s my response to add to the others.
>> 
>> 1. Good Mail for Enterprise, it’s a secure mail client owned by RIM now that 
>> I use to access my work email.  Since it’s a secure network we need to use a 
>> client like this to access exchange.
>> 
>> 2. iMessage, I use the native messaging app as well as the Mac app to work 
>> with engineers in the field or other coworkers.  It’s great for me as I can 
>> respond on any device so it makes working very simple if I can cut and paste 
>> to the same conversation on my laptop and pick it up on the phone.
>> 
>> 3. CNBC, I use the watch lists and also love the automatic notifications so 
>> I get my important breaking financial news.
>> 
>> 4. Ootunes / i heart radio / radio.com / tune in pro/ XM sirius, these are 
>> the streaming music / media apps I use.  I like the XM because it syncs with 
>> my car, the other apps are just good over the air aggregators.
>> 
>> 5. WhatsApp: secure messaging that’s encrypted end to end.  Migrating to 
>> this away from other apps for security reasons.
>> 
>> 6. Bria soft phone, allows me to connect to my PBX, enables me to encrypt 
>> both the payload and signaling for my calls and has very good features that 
>> are totally accessible.  Also supports video.
>> 
>> 7. Open VPN: allows me to connect to my own Open VPN server from my phone so 
>> when on public WiFi or other open environments I can encrypt my 
>> communications.  Supports very long keys and SHA-512 hashing firewall 
>> feature so very secure, especially good for traveling internationally
>> 
>> 8. Apple Pay: love it, use it with my phone and watch.  B of A is also 
>> introducing card free ATM machines that you use your phone to authenticate.
>> 
>> 9. Bank of America App: basic banking app
>> 
>> 10. RSA Security:  Allows me to authenticate at work.  Use pin + RSA back 
>> end to produce a code I enter when logging in that changes every 60 seconds.
>> 
>> 11. GPGtools:  Allows me to encrypt and decrypt emails securely.
>> 
>> 12. IMAP weather Radio for weather alerts.
>> 
>> And as mentioned your good ol Major League Baseball app to listen to the San 
>> Francisco Giants or if anyone asks up here the Red Socks.:)
>> 
>> Other than that I like the included apps like the stocks app, music, video, 
>> and calculator.
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:42 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I am cross-posting this to both the V iPhone and the Mac Visionaries Mailing
>> List:
>> 
>> I was 

Re: How Do You Use iOS?

[Angie Nutt]

Hi

The apps I use at the moment are:

Kindle, one of my favourites; KNFB Reader occasionally; Tweetings for Twitter; 
Facebook; a couple of TV related apps called Sky+ and Sky Q; Notes, often for 
jotting down grocery lists; Reminders, almost daily; Calendar; Mail, though 
more for reading than writing; Access Note, mainly for writing down my dreams, 
then sink thee notes to Dropbox, so there’s another one slipped in there :) and 
Safari, probably my most used app; and how could I forget: Music.

All the best
Angie
> On 30 Apr 2016, at 08:35, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I just want to thank you all for contributing to this thread.  
> 
> Honestly, I cannot stop smiling when I read your lists of apps and discover 
> all of the various ways you use them.
> 
> To those who have not yet posted, please remember that you do not need to 
> list only apps that have not yet been mentioned; just list the apps that you 
> use and how you use them if they are not self-explanatory.  
> 
> Personally, I am making a list of all of the marvelous apps you have brought 
> to my attention that I have not yet explored.
> 
> From the bottom of my heart, I thank you and, let’s keep ‘em coming.  (Big, 
> Big, Smile).
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 3:46 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: How Do You Use iOS?
> 
> Hi Mark, cool thread here’s my response to add to the others.
> 
> 1. Good Mail for Enterprise, it’s a secure mail client owned by RIM now that 
> I use to access my work email.  Since it’s a secure network we need to use a 
> client like this to access exchange.
> 
> 2. iMessage, I use the native messaging app as well as the Mac app to work 
> with engineers in the field or other coworkers.  It’s great for me as I can 
> respond on any device so it makes working very simple if I can cut and paste 
> to the same conversation on my laptop and pick it up on the phone.
> 
> 3. CNBC, I use the watch lists and also love the automatic notifications so I 
> get my important breaking financial news.
> 
> 4. Ootunes / i heart radio / radio.com / tune in pro/ XM sirius, these are 
> the streaming music / media apps I use.  I like the XM because it syncs with 
> my car, the other apps are just good over the air aggregators.
> 
> 5. WhatsApp: secure messaging that’s encrypted end to end.  Migrating to this 
> away from other apps for security reasons.
> 
> 6. Bria soft phone, allows me to connect to my PBX, enables me to encrypt 
> both the payload and signaling for my calls and has very good features that 
> are totally accessible.  Also supports video.
> 
> 7. Open VPN: allows me to connect to my own Open VPN server from my phone so 
> when on public WiFi or other open environments I can encrypt my 
> communications.  Supports very long keys and SHA-512 hashing firewall feature 
> so very secure, especially good for traveling internationally
> 
> 8. Apple Pay: love it, use it with my phone and watch.  B of A is also 
> introducing card free ATM machines that you use your phone to authenticate.
> 
> 9. Bank of America App: basic banking app
> 
> 10. RSA Security:  Allows me to authenticate at work.  Use pin + RSA back end 
> to produce a code I enter when logging in that changes every 60 seconds.
> 
> 11. GPGtools:  Allows me to encrypt and decrypt emails securely.
> 
> 12. IMAP weather Radio for weather alerts.
> 
> And as mentioned your good ol Major League Baseball app to listen to the San 
> Francisco Giants or if anyone asks up here the Red Socks.:)
> 
> Other than that I like the included apps like the stocks app, music, video, 
> and calculator.
> 
> 
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:42 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I am cross-posting this to both the V iPhone and the Mac Visionaries Mailing
> List:
> 
> I was having lunch with a friend today at a sunny outdoor café and, during
> our conversation, the subject of iOS and the number of apps we use on a
> regular basis came up.  As we began listing our favorite apps, I once again
> realized how much iPhone and it’s related apps have revolutionized my life
> in almost every aspect.  
> 
> Below I will list the apps I used today and/or within the last two days.  In
> some cases I will list the name of the app, in others, I will only list the
> type of app. 
> 
> I hope you will contribute to this thread by listing the apps you use most
> often as I and others would like to get to know you and, perhaps, discover
> an app or two about which we can learn.
> 
> Okay, here we go:
> 
> 1.
> Clock:
> I use the iOS clock for wake-up alarms and in some cases, to time activities
> such as workouts or cooking.
> 
> 2.
> Calendar:
> I use my Calendar for virtually all my appointments.  Today, for example I
> was reminded of two upcoming doctor appointments and, of course, today’s
> lunch date.  I also used it today to 

Re: How Do You Use iOS?

[Angie Nutt]

I forgot to mention that I use both the native podcast app and pocket casts for 
podcasts. 


> On 3 May 2016, at 12:31, Angie Nutt <an...@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Just remembered more while reading what others are using:
> 
> BlindSquare, mainly on the bus; Whatsapp; Skype, mainly when my husband’s 
> away overnight and we want to chat; Messaging; Hive, for controlling our 
> central heating. Ocado, for ordering groceries. Travelling GB, for checking 
> bus times.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
>> On 3 May 2016, at 11:54, Angie Nutt <an...@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> The apps I use at the moment are:
>> 
>> Kindle, one of my favourites; KNFB Reader occasionally; Tweetings for 
>> Twitter; Facebook; a couple of TV related apps called Sky+ and Sky Q; Notes, 
>> often for jotting down grocery lists; Reminders, almost daily; Calendar; 
>> Mail, though more for reading than writing; Access Note, mainly for writing 
>> down my dreams, then sink thee notes to Dropbox, so there’s another one 
>> slipped in there :) and Safari, probably my most used app; and how could I 
>> forget: Music.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>>> On 30 Apr 2016, at 08:35, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just want to thank you all for contributing to this thread.  
>>> 
>>> Honestly, I cannot stop smiling when I read your lists of apps and discover 
>>> all of the various ways you use them.
>>> 
>>> To those who have not yet posted, please remember that you do not need to 
>>> list only apps that have not yet been mentioned; just list the apps that 
>>> you use and how you use them if they are not self-explanatory.  
>>> 
>>> Personally, I am making a list of all of the marvelous apps you have 
>>> brought to my attention that I have not yet explored.
>>> 
>>> From the bottom of my heart, I thank you and, let’s keep ‘em coming.  (Big, 
>>> Big, Smile).
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 3:46 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: How Do You Use iOS?
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark, cool thread here’s my response to add to the others.
>>> 
>>> 1. Good Mail for Enterprise, it’s a secure mail client owned by RIM now 
>>> that I use to access my work email.  Since it’s a secure network we need to 
>>> use a client like this to access exchange.
>>> 
>>> 2. iMessage, I use the native messaging app as well as the Mac app to work 
>>> with engineers in the field or other coworkers.  It’s great for me as I can 
>>> respond on any device so it makes working very simple if I can cut and 
>>> paste to the same conversation on my laptop and pick it up on the phone.
>>> 
>>> 3. CNBC, I use the watch lists and also love the automatic notifications so 
>>> I get my important breaking financial news.
>>> 
>>> 4. Ootunes / i heart radio / radio.com / tune in pro/ XM sirius, these are 
>>> the streaming music / media apps I use.  I like the XM because it syncs 
>>> with my car, the other apps are just good over the air aggregators.
>>> 
>>> 5. WhatsApp: secure messaging that’s encrypted end to end.  Migrating to 
>>> this away from other apps for security reasons.
>>> 
>>> 6. Bria soft phone, allows me to connect to my PBX, enables me to encrypt 
>>> both the payload and signaling for my calls and has very good features that 
>>> are totally accessible.  Also supports video.
>>> 
>>> 7. Open VPN: allows me to connect to my own Open VPN server from my phone 
>>> so when on public WiFi or other open environments I can encrypt my 
>>> communications.  Supports very long keys and SHA-512 hashing firewall 
>>> feature so very secure, especially good for traveling internationally
>>> 
>>> 8. Apple Pay: love it, use it with my phone and watch.  B of A is also 
>>> introducing card free ATM machines that you use your phone to authenticate.
>>> 
>>> 9. Bank of America App: basic banking app
>>> 
>>> 10. RSA Security:  Allows me to authenticate at work.  Use pin + RSA back 
>>> end to produce a code I enter when logging in that changes every 60 seconds.
>>> 
>>> 11. GPGtools:  Allows me to encrypt and decrypt emails securely.
>>> 
>>> 12. IMAP weather Radio for weather alerts.
>>&g

Re: Apple Watch with voiceover, use cases and explanatory material

[Angie Nutt]

Hi,

I have the original watch, sport model. Hope to get the 3rd gen for Christmas.

I’ve been very happy with my watch; I wanted it mainly for the time and 
notifications. My podcast app gives me notifications so I can keep track of 
them. As I don’t carry my phone around the house it’s great for texts, Facebook 
messages etc. I occasionally dictate a reply to a friend and have found this to 
be very accurate.

Have recently used the heart monitor when my heart started beating very fast. I 
like the fact it can vibrate to tell the time as I find this very useful in a 
noisy location.

I really wouldn’t want to be without my watch.

All the best
Angie 
> On 14 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I thought I sent out a message on this topic yesterday, but I'm not seeing it 
> in my sent mail folder, so I don't know where it went. Anyway, I am 
> considering the new Apple Watch when it comes out next week I guess. The LTE 
> is intriguing. I know there are people on this list who have watches, and I'm 
> curious about your use cases. What made the watch compelling? Up until now, I 
> haven't seen much of any reason to have one. Also, I am interested in 
> documentation about how you use the watch with voice over. I suppose there 
> might be a podcast or two on Apple vis. But I am more a fan of written 
> documentation then I am of podcasts. So, does anybody know of anything?
> Mary
> 
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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[Angie Nutt]

I so agree with you; I love reading Kindle books in braille for instance. When 
I first got a braille display about 2 years ago I was over the moon. I still 
use speech though when my hands are doing other things; just love the choice.

All the best
Angie
> On 9 Dec 2017, at 05:47, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I just finished an hour of reading Braille on my Focus 40 Blue display.  
> 
> I must say that this was the best non-Jaws Braille display reading
> experience I've enjoyed since 2011.  If memory serves, 2011 was the last
> year in which I could pan right, using a left panning wheel on my display,
> in iOS.  
> 
> Now, with all of the wonderful Braille display customization options, I can,
> once again, use my beloved Wiz Wheels to my heart's content.  (smile).  
> 
> I am so delighted to see that UEB (Unified English Braille) is also being
> properly translated in iOS 11.
> 
> To me, no matter how convenient audio feedback may be, there is something
> ineffably beautiful about Braille.  What a gift to behold.
> 
> Bravo to Apple for finally giving Braille its well-earned respect.
> 
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Re: Why Apple's "Batterygate" apology didn't go far enough

[Angie Nutt]

Hi

My husband and I have the 6s; he says he has noticed the slowdown, I haven’t. 
Mine is constantly used and the battery rarely goes flat; his is much less used 
and is often allowed to run down; I think mine is better looked after in that 
regard. 

I would certainly prefer some slowing than sudden shutdowns and I certainly 
wouldn’t want overheating.

All he best
Angie
> On 30 Dec 2017, at 16:30, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> T?he "dam slo down" is a matter of perception.  I'm still running a 6S?, so 
> is my wife and my daughter is running a 6.  I'd expect slowdowns on each of 
> those devices by now, especially my daughter's 6.  If the slowdown's are 
> happening, they're definitely not enough to decide that we need new iPhones.  
> I could use that as an excuse though and maybe my wife would cave and let me 
> buy one, but I doubt it.  Whether Apple is the best corporation around, or 
> not is actually immaterial.  They make a good product, and so does Samsung.  
> Samsung made a mistake last year with their batteries, maybe Apple was trying 
> to make sure that they didn't have those sorts of issues as well.  In either 
> case, Samsung is still a reputable corporation that makes good quality 
> product, and so is Apple.  We armchair executives may have multitudes of 
> opinions, but we're also not the ones answering to shareholders, the same 
> shareholders that encouraged Apple to quit putting so many costly resources 
> into accessibility, as it is not something with an excellent return.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 30, 2017, at 00:21, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Well consumers probably thought they needed a new device in certain
> cases because of the damn slow down, When really all they needed was a
> new battery. This article got one thing right though. It will just
> blow over and most will act like this company is still the best at
> everything. The fact that they are selling the batteries for 30 bucks
> is mind blowing, because my thoughts are still why wasn't they doing
> this in the first place.
> 
> On 12/29/17, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> hi,
>> 
>> Thanks Mar for this.  Interesting take, but flawed in my opinion.  First, no
>> one was "forced" to purchase the new phone, that was a choice those
>> consumers made.  Second, the mention of all the customers that faithfully go
>> out and purchase the newest model would do so whether their phone was
>> slowing down or not, they just like to have the newest iPhone.  "Hungry
>> lawyers" though is spot on, along with some over zealous consumers.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2017, at 19:46, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Why Apple's apology didn't go far enough
>> By Jefferson Graham | USA TODAY Updated 4 minutes ago
>> In the grand tradition of past Apple fiascos like Antennagate (dropped
>> calls
>> on the then-new iPhone 4) and the launch of Apple Maps (directions that
>> weren't accurate), the tech giant apologized again to consumers this week.
>> The question is whether the iconic iPhone maker's apology went far enough.
>> We didn't think that it did.
>> First, Apple was forced to admit that it intentionally slowed down the
>> performance of older phones in order to keep up with declining battery
>> life.
>> It acted after a 17-year-old user performed a test that proved it.
>> Critics howled, the Twitterverse pounced and several consumer lawsuits were
>> churned out by hungry lawyers. One asked for a $5 million in compensation
>> on
>> behalf of all the consumers who felt forced to upgrade their otherwise
>> healthy older phones after they were slowed down by Apple's software
>> update.
>> They were not given the choice to opt-in for the battery-saving slowdown
>> feature.
>> Analysts had suggested Apple pen an open letter to consumers. While the
>> world awaited a beefier response from Apple than its initial admission, we
>> tried to do some of the work for them. We wrote the letter that we hoped
>> Apple would write, and posted it. A few hours later on Thursday, Apple came
>> clean and released it's own take.
>> One major difference between our proposed apology and Apple's: We suggested
>> Apple say they were sorry and offer free battery upgrades for any consumer
>> who wanted one. Apple saw it differently. It offered an apology but not a
>> free battery. Instead, it is offering a new battery at a discount: $29.99,
>> $50 less than usual cost. The deal is available starting in late January
>> and
>> running through the end of 2018 and only on iPhone 6 and 6S.
>> Remember, this is the world's most profitable company, a firm that paid CEO
>> Tim Cook $102 million in salary and bonuses in 2017. Apple generated $10
>> billion in profit for just the most recent quarter.
>> Yet it refuses to give away free batteries to inconvenienced Apple
>> customers
>> who have been suffering from slow 

Re: Apparent E-Mail Corruption

[Angie Nutt]

I’ve seen this several times, I believe it’s spam or a scam.

All the best
Angie

> On 19 Aug 2018, at 05:12, 'Bill Gallik' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a couple of questions concerning what appears to be e-mail corruption.
> 
> What is happening is that a subject line may read something that I find quite 
> interesting, but when I hit the  key to read the message is 
> completely unrelated to the corresponding subject line.  As if that isn’t bad 
> enough, the resulting message appears to be raw HTML coding.  My questions 
> are:
> 
> 1) Is anyone else experiencing this?
> 
> 2) Can anyone explain what is causing this and, possibly, how to eliminate it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended 
> from man."
> - US Editor and Satirist, H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
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Re: Mark on iPhone 10 S Max and iWatch Series 4, Form-Factor

[Angie Nutt]

I wonder if there’ll be a smaller phone coming out early next year.

On Friday I was comparing the se with 6s as I wanted to make sure of some facts 
before selling my 6s, and I discovered the se came out in March of the 
following year.  

All the best
Angie


> On 23 Sep 2018, at 03:27, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> As you said, Mark, that was your opinion. I can’t imagine what that big phone 
> looked like. I know I wouldn’t want one. The thing about these phones is 
> there so much better design. You don’t need a honking big thing to get a nice 
> large display these days. I think that is to be cheered not lamented. How did 
> your friend Carrie that monster? Surely, it did not fit into a pocket. My 
> regret is that Apple has apparently abandoned the people who like a smaller 
> form factor. Enough is enough already. Just my opinion. Smile.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Let me just say that the following is just my opinion and it is not intended
>> to persuade or dissuade anyone of anything.
>> 
>> Yesterday, I went to a remote Best Buy retail store where, as I expected,
>> there were almost no customers.  
>> 
>> The Apple section was completely deserted except for one very enthusiastic
>> Apple representative.  
>> 
>> Although I had not fully recognized it myself, some part of me really wanted
>> to be wowed by the 10 S Max in terms of its 6.5 inch display size.  As you
>> may recall, I have often stated that I am not ready for Face ID yet, I
>> discovered that I was somewhat open to purchasing a 10 S Max if it could wow
>> me, enough.
>> 
>> Five years or so ago, I had a friend who owned one of the first modern
>> phablets, the Samsun Mega.  I believe the screen size was 6.3 inches.  Its
>> physical size was so large that every time I used it, I felt as though I was
>> a little kid playing with a grown-up's device.  I just couldn't stop
>> grinning, every time I held it in my hand.
>> 
>> It was huge  Yet, despite its size, I really, really liked it.  It felt,
>> just as the term phablet implies, like a cross between a phone and a tablet
>> computer.  
>> 
>> Believe it or not, I found myself finding ways to spend more time with my
>> friend just so I could play with that Samsung Mega.  (smile)  
>> 
>> I almost bought one for myself but, at that time, I just didn't like Android
>> enough to make the investment.  Soon after, Samsung stopped making the Mega.
>> 
>> 
>> So, yesterday, as I entered the Apple section of the store, I suppose, on
>> some subconscious level, I was hoping to see that same huge form-factor on
>> the 10 S Max.  It didn't happen.  In fact, believe it or not, the actual
>> body, or form-factor of the 10 S Max is almost identical to my 8 Plus.  
>> 
>> I was so disappointed.  I was so disappointed, in fact, that the Apple sales
>> rep thought that I had taken ill and asked if I needed medical attention.  
>> 
>> Now I know that Apple made it clear as to the physical dimensions of the 10
>> S Max but, somehow, some way, I thought the form-factor would be larger,
>> much larger than my beloved 8 Plus.  In fact, I suppose, I was counting on
>> it.  
>> 
>> The sales rep, a very nice young man, began his spiel about how much better
>> the display is and how much faster the 10 S Max is, and blah, blah, blah!.  
>> 
>> All I know is that, when I closed my eyes, I couldn't tell the 10 S Max from
>> my beloved 8 Plus.  
>> 
>> As for the Apple watch?  Same scenario.  If there is any major size
>> difference, I couldn't detect it to the point where I wanted to buy a new
>> watch.  
>> 
>> Now I realize that Apple is simply increasing the size of its displays
>> without increasing the physical form-factors but, for me, this is kind of a
>> let-down.  I'm not exactly sure why this is so; perhaps, for me at least,
>> it's the marvelous memory of that Samsung Mega that, for better or worse,
>> set a form-factor size standard to which, one day, I hope to return.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Theme Question: How Do You Use Your Apple Watch?

[Angie Nutt]

My top one is notifications; I also have it remind me to stand regularly; check 
the temperature.

All the best
Angie

> On 18 May 2019, at 18:53, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As I have recently approved several new people to the group, I thought it
> might be helpful if they could discover how many of us use our various apple
> devices.  
> 
> So, my question:  Other than telling the time, what are the top three ways
> you use your Apple watch?  
> 
> As for me they are:
> 
> 1.
> Checking the hourly weather forecast.
> 
> 2.
> As a pedometer.
> 
> 3.
> Using the timer feature, with Siri.
> 
> Honorable Mention:
> Quickly scrolling through turn-by-turn directions when navigating a route
> via Apple Maps.
> 
> I look forward to your replies,
> 
> Mark
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Re: Tips, tricks, and customizations for your new AirPods, Apple Insider

[Angie Nutt]

Thanks for this. I’ve had my AirPods since Friday and loving them but haven’t 
yet learned all the tricks. Will keep this article.

All the best
Angie

> On 8 May 2019, at 00:33, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> AppleInsider - Front Page News - Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:30 AM
> 
> Tips, tricks, and customizations for your new AirPods
> 
> Here's how to get the most out of your AirPods -new or old -with
> AppleInsider's extensive list of tips, tricks, and customizations.
> 
> Second generation AirPods
> AirPods basics
> Getting the basic use out of the way first. The setup process for AirPods is
> legendary. Open the case near your iPhone/iPad and it walks you through the
> steps. That action also is how you can check the battery life of your
> AirPods.
> 
> Open the case and your battery life will appear on screen. It will show your
> AirPods case as well as your AirPods.
> 
> AirPods battery status
> If you remove one of the AirPods from the case, the on-screen card will then
> show you the individual battery life of each AirPod. A small charging
> indicator will let you know which, if either, of the two are charging so you
> know if they are receiving power.
> Something few know is that you can use one AirPod at a time - not just both.
> This is handy if you want to hear what is going on around you but still want
> to have your headphones on. As AirPods have no way to let in outside audio,
> this can be good practice in something like an office environment.
> 
> Making them your own
> You can easily customize your AirPods by heading into the Settings app.
> First, make sure your AirPods are connected and say as much in the Bluetooth
> settings. If they don't show as connected, just make sure to open the case.
> Leave the case open, or pop the buds in your ears.
> Then tap on the i icon to the right.
> The AirPods themselves can be renamed. If this is your second set of AirPods
> it may be named by default something along the lines of "Andrew's AirPods
> #2" which you could change to "Andrew's AirPods" if you no longer have your
> original pair or simply want a different name.
> 
> For more customization, you can control what happens when you double tap on
> the outside of each earbud. By default, it is set to go to the next music
> track on both. It can be changed to previous track, activating Siri,
> playing/pausing, or nothing at all.
> We recommend going with previous track on the left ear and next track on the
> right here. Music is automatically paused when the earbuds come out of your
> ears and Siri can now be activated on the second generation by just saying
> that well-known key phrase "Hey, Siri!" That leaves previous and next track
> controls the most intuitive.
> Automatic Ear Detection can also be toggled off, if you so choose. Ear
> detection automatically transfers audio to the headphones when placed in
> your ears and disables it when removed.
> AirPods automatically transfer audio to either the left or right microphone
> based on which it thinks sounds best/clearest but that isn't always the best
> route. By designating this manually, you can be sure the best option is
> chosen for your environment. If you leave this on, another quick tip is by
> taking a 
> phone call with one earbud in at a time. If the battery starts to die on
> that earbud, you simply put the other in your ear, then remove the first and
> it will route the audio to freshly charged earbud letting you talk for far
> more than the five hours Apple quotes for the second gen model.
> 
> All of your devices
> Thanks to iCloud, AirPods are automatically available on any device Apple
> device you own. That includes Apple Watch, Mac, iPad, and Apple TV.
> On Apple Watch, swipe up from the bottom to enter Control Center and tap the
> AirPlay icon. Now just choose your AirPods. On your Mac, open your AirPods
> and select the audio icon in the menu bar (your battery life will also be
> shown).
> 
> AirPods being accessed from the Apple TV
> From the Apple TV, swipe down from the top, go to audio section, and your
> AirPods should be listed. From the Home menu, tap and hold the play/pause
> button to bring up the audio controls which will also list your AirPods.
> You need to be signed into your iCloud account on all these devices for this
> feature to work.
> 
> AirPods battery on Apple Watch
> From Apple Watch, you have a few more handy options. In Control Center, if
> you tap on the battery icon while the AirPods are connected, you will see
> the remaining charge on each bud.
> Since we are talking battery, the Battery widget on your iOS device also is
> a good location to see the AirPods battery life without having to bring them
> near your device.
> 
> Getting more out of AirPods
> If you've ever misplaced your AirPods, you know what a struggle it can be to
> find track them down. Using Find My iPhone, you can see the last location
> the earbuds were connected. Even better, if within range, you can make them
> play a tone. This works 

Re: A TTS Engine instead of a Human Voice for Reading a Novel? Maybe

[Angie Nutt]

I have used various voices on my iPhone to read Kindle books ever since this 
was possible. Since getting a braille display I use that mostly but there are 
times when I still use speech. Samantha is a particularly good voice for 
reading I think.

I tend to choose a voice I feel will best fit the book I’m reading. For 
instance: I was reading Mary Poppins earlier so decided on Serena. Now I’m 
reading an American book so am using Samantha. I love the choices I have!

All the best
Angie

> On 16 Apr 2019, at 05:26, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I love the iOS Kindle App because it works so well with my Focus 40 Blue
> Braille display.
> 
> However, for whatever reason, until recently, I've never used the VoiceOver
> Samantha TTS engine to read an entire novel in the Kindle app.
> 
> Not long ago, I was searching for a book in Audible, because it is not
> available on BARD or on Over Drive, and found it.  The price of the audio
> book was $19, $17 in Apple books.  Since the audio length of the book was
> just over 5 hours, I decided to see if a Kindle edition was available.  Yes,
> it was and for a mere $1.99.  So, I purchased the Kindle version and used my
> beloved Samantha TTS engine to read the novel.
> 
> After I finished the Kindle version, a friend of mine purchased the audible
> version.  So, I decided to give it a quick listen to see if I would like the
> book any better or less with a human narrator at the proverbial helm.  
> 
> You know what?  I discovered that I actually preferred the Kindle version
> wit the TTS engine, better.  The funny thing is, I am absolutely certain
> that I would have thoroughly enjoyed the human narrator edition had I not
> experienced the TTS engine rendition, first.
> 
> Now I'm certainly not saying that a TTS engine is better than a human
> narrator but I am saying, that for  me, at least, a TTS engine is definitely
> a viable option for reading novels, especially when it comes to saving a few
> dollars.
> 
> Mark 
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Re: A Strange Speaker Sound Scenario with Mark's Apple Watch, Series 4, with LTE

[Angie Nutt]

I’ve had the problem with the first watch which came out and now again with the 
3rd gen. It’s been like it for a while, never clears up. When I get round to it 
I’ll try repairing again  and see if it works.

All the best
Angie

> On 3 Sep 2019, at 13:02, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I'm guessing it was not the re-pairing that fixed the problem.
> 
> This used to happen to me all the time on my series 1 watch after a work-out. 
>  It seemed as though a little bit of moisture--sweat in my case--got inside 
> where the speaker is, muffling the sound.  That happened to me fairly often, 
> and it would always correct in about fifteen minutes.  I'm guessing that a 
> tiny bit of water got into your speaker when you were cleaning it, and by the 
> time you re-paired, it had dried out.
> 
> Just my theory.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 11:28 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> As the following makes absolutely no sense to me or any of the Apple Techs
>> with whom I discussed this matter, I will simply list what happened earlier
>> today:
>> 
>> 1.
>> With Apple Watch powered off, ran tiny stream of water over device to clean.
>> At the same time, a visiting friend, with an identical device, did same,
>> using same water source.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Upon powering up Apple watch, speaker sound was muffled on my device but not
>> on friend's device.  Attempted to clear water from speaker using Water lock
>> feature, no fewer than 15 times.  No success.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Rebooted my device several times but speaker remained muffled.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Went to Apple Store Genius Barr where they heard muffled sound as compared
>> to friend's device, with regard to VoiceOver.  They, like I, checked every
>> conceivable setting on the device and all was as it should have been.
>> 
>> 5.
>> Because I have Apple Care Plus on my Watch, for faster service, used onboard
>> Apple Support app to begin replacement process, said process having Apple
>> ship me a new device, overnight delivery, via FedEx.  I began this process
>> while at the genius Barr, using my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.  
>> 
>> 6.
>> In order to begin the replacement process, I had to unpair my watch from my
>> phone; then, the Apple tech could set up the shipping details and create the
>> RMA log.
>> 
>> 7.
>> The final step in the process was to authorize Apple to put a hold on my
>> credit card before they ship the new watch.  Then, if I do not return the
>> old watch after having received the new one, they can charge me for the new
>> watch.  I have 3 days to complete the final step in the replacement process.
>> I decided to wait until I returned home before providing my payment info as
>> I was not certain if they would accept Apple Pay or if I would have to enter
>> my card info, directly.  The people at the Genious Barr could not give me a
>> definitive answer so I decided to wait until I was in a more secure and
>> quiet location before proceeding.  
>> 
>> 8.
>> On the way home, in the car, I decided to pair my current device back to my
>> phone so that I could continue to use it, muffled as it was, while I waited
>> for the new watch to arrive.
>> 
>> 9.
>> During the pairing process, the sound quality switched from muffled to
>> normal.  I heard it happen as I had VoiceOver enabled during the process.
>> It was weird, to be totally honest.  The sound simply returned to normal.  I
>> mean it was flawless.  Mind you, the time between when the Apple genius
>> heard the sound and the time in which it returned to normal could not have
>> been longer than 15 minutes.   After paring the watch, I ran it through a
>> battery of sound tests, comparing it with my friend's watch, and they were
>> virtually identical.
>> 
>> 10.
>> Back at home, I ran both my watch and my friend's watch under some water,
>> just as I had done, earlier.  This time, however, the sound on both watches
>> was perfect.  
>> 
>> 11.
>> Conducted more sound comparison tests and was satisfied that my watch is in
>> good working order.
>> 
>> 12.
>> Called Apple Care to update them on the status of my watch and the
>> representative documented the episode, thoroughly and we both agreed to
>> leave the current RMA in place and allow it to expire on Thursday.  This
>> means that should I authorize Apple to place a hold on my card, then a new
>> replacement watch will be overnighted to me; otherwise this particular RMA
>> will expire.  By the way, the process does accept payment via Apple Pay.
>> 
>> Finally, as I stated at the outset, I have absolutely no idea why un-pairing
>> and then, subsequently, re-pairing the watch to the phone should have made
>> any difference in sound quality whatsoever, but, today, for whatever reason,
>> it did.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: A Strange Speaker Sound Scenario with Mark's Apple Watch, Series 4, with LTE

[Angie Nutt]

Hi Mark and all who are interested:

I have finally re-paired my watch and think maybe there’s a slight improvement 
in the speaker but don’t think it’s as good as it should be but I have nothing 
to compare it with. I’m sure it used to be louder than it has been for some 
time. Will also need to test the mic when on a call because last time I used 
the watch to answer a call from my husband he couldn’t really hear me, said I 
was muffled, whereas in the past he could hear me fine.

All the best
Angie


> On 6 Sep 2019, at 03:07, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Angie,
> 
> Yes, try re-pairing the watch and see if it makes any difference.
> 
> Let us know what happens.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Angie Nutt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 2:45 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Strange Speaker Sound Scenario with Mark's Apple Watch, Series 
> 4, with LTE
> 
> I’ve had the problem with the first watch which came out and now again with 
> the 3rd gen. It’s been like it for a while, never clears up. When I get round 
> to it I’ll try repairing again  and see if it works.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
>> On 3 Sep 2019, at 13:02, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> I'm guessing it was not the re-pairing that fixed the problem.
>> 
>> This used to happen to me all the time on my series 1 watch after a 
>> work-out.  It seemed as though a little bit of moisture--sweat in my 
>> case--got inside where the speaker is, muffling the sound.  That happened to 
>> me fairly often, and it would always correct in about fifteen minutes.  I'm 
>> guessing that a tiny bit of water got into your speaker when you were 
>> cleaning it, and by the time you re-paired, it had dried out.
>> 
>> Just my theory.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 11:28 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> As the following makes absolutely no sense to me or any of the Apple 
>>> Techs with whom I discussed this matter, I will simply list what 
>>> happened earlier
>>> today:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> With Apple Watch powered off, ran tiny stream of water over device to clean.
>>> At the same time, a visiting friend, with an identical device, did 
>>> same, using same water source.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Upon powering up Apple watch, speaker sound was muffled on my device 
>>> but not on friend's device.  Attempted to clear water from speaker 
>>> using Water lock feature, no fewer than 15 times.  No success.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Rebooted my device several times but speaker remained muffled.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Went to Apple Store Genius Barr where they heard muffled sound as 
>>> compared to friend's device, with regard to VoiceOver.  They, like I, 
>>> checked every conceivable setting on the device and all was as it should 
>>> have been.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Because I have Apple Care Plus on my Watch, for faster service, used 
>>> onboard Apple Support app to begin replacement process, said process 
>>> having Apple ship me a new device, overnight delivery, via FedEx.  I 
>>> began this process while at the genius Barr, using my beloved iPhone 8 Plus.
>>> 
>>> 6.
>>> In order to begin the replacement process, I had to unpair my watch 
>>> from my phone; then, the Apple tech could set up the shipping details 
>>> and create the RMA log.
>>> 
>>> 7.
>>> The final step in the process was to authorize Apple to put a hold on 
>>> my credit card before they ship the new watch.  Then, if I do not 
>>> return the old watch after having received the new one, they can 
>>> charge me for the new watch.  I have 3 days to complete the final step in 
>>> the replacement process.
>>> I decided to wait until I returned home before providing my payment 
>>> info as I was not certain if they would accept Apple Pay or if I 
>>> would have to enter my card info, directly.  The people at the 
>>> Genious Barr could not give me a definitive answer so I decided to 
>>> wait until I was in a more secure and quiet location before proceeding.
>>> 
>>> 8.
>>> On the way home, in the car, I decided to pair my current device back 
>>> to my phone so that I could continue to use it, muffled as it was, 
>>> while I waited for the new watch to arriv

Re: A Strange Speaker Sound Scenario with Mark's Apple Watch, Series 4, with LTE

[Angie Nutt]

Hi Mark

I don’t, but my husband seems to think it’s time I had a new one as it’s 
getting towards Christmas.

All the best
Angie


> On 14 Sep 2019, at 04:51, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Angie,
> 
> Thank you for the update.
> 
> If you have Apple Care Plus for your watch, you should definitely either have 
> it repaired or replaced, before your Apple Care Plus coverage expires.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Angie Nutt
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 2:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A Strange Speaker Sound Scenario with Mark's Apple Watch, Series 
> 4, with LTE
> 
> Hi Mark and all who are interested:
> 
> I have finally re-paired my watch and think maybe there’s a slight 
> improvement in the speaker but don’t think it’s as good as it should be but I 
> have nothing to compare it with. I’m sure it used to be louder than it has 
> been for some time. Will also need to test the mic when on a call because 
> last time I used the watch to answer a call from my husband he couldn’t 
> really hear me, said I was muffled, whereas in the past he could hear me fine.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
>> On 6 Sep 2019, at 03:07, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Angie,
>> 
>> Yes, try re-pairing the watch and see if it makes any difference.
>> 
>> Let us know what happens.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Angie Nutt
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 2:45 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A Strange Speaker Sound Scenario with Mark's Apple Watch, 
>> Series 4, with LTE
>> 
>> I’ve had the problem with the first watch which came out and now again with 
>> the 3rd gen. It’s been like it for a while, never clears up. When I get 
>> round to it I’ll try repairing again  and see if it works.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>>> On 3 Sep 2019, at 13:02, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> I'm guessing it was not the re-pairing that fixed the problem.
>>> 
>>> This used to happen to me all the time on my series 1 watch after a 
>>> work-out.  It seemed as though a little bit of moisture--sweat in my 
>>> case--got inside where the speaker is, muffling the sound.  That happened 
>>> to me fairly often, and it would always correct in about fifteen minutes.  
>>> I'm guessing that a tiny bit of water got into your speaker when you were 
>>> cleaning it, and by the time you re-paired, it had dried out.
>>> 
>>> Just my theory.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 2, 2019, at 11:28 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> As the following makes absolutely no sense to me or any of the Apple 
>>>> Techs with whom I discussed this matter, I will simply list what 
>>>> happened earlier
>>>> today:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.
>>>> With Apple Watch powered off, ran tiny stream of water over device to 
>>>> clean.
>>>> At the same time, a visiting friend, with an identical device, did 
>>>> same, using same water source.
>>>> 
>>>> 2.
>>>> Upon powering up Apple watch, speaker sound was muffled on my device 
>>>> but not on friend's device.  Attempted to clear water from speaker 
>>>> using Water lock feature, no fewer than 15 times.  No success.
>>>> 
>>>> 3.
>>>> Rebooted my device several times but speaker remained muffled.
>>>> 
>>>> 4.
>>>> Went to Apple Store Genius Barr where they heard muffled sound as 
>>>> compared to friend's device, with regard to VoiceOver.  They, like 
>>>> I, checked every conceivable setting on the device and all was as it 
>>>> should have been.
>>>> 
>>>> 5.
>>>> Because I have Apple Care Plus on my Watch, for faster service, used 
>>>> onboard Apple Support app to begin replacement process, said process 
>>>> having Apple ship me a new device, overnight delivery, via FedEx.  I 
>>>> began this process while at the genius Barr, using my beloved iPhone 8 
>>>> Plus.
>>>> 
>>>> 6.
>>>> In order to begin the replacement process, I had to

Re: Twitter Apps For Mac OS

[Angie Nutt]

Hi

Yes, I just got this issue with Night Owl yesterday; haven’t found a way round 
it yet.

All the best
Angie


> On 14 Jan 2020, at 18:01, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m still running Mojave, and have been using Night Owl for twitter access 
> ever since I’ve had my Mac mini, but the other day I began having issues 
> where I can no longer get into Nightowl and log in to Twitter.
> 
> When I start the app, my Mac starts bonking continuously, and I keep getting 
> a message to please login to Twitter. There are Retry and Cancel buttons, and 
> what looks like a web page where I should be able to login to Twitter again, 
> but I can’t get past here. Are there any others who use Night Owl and may 
> have run into this problem? I’m also thinking it might be high time to get a 
> different app, so I’d be interested to know what others are using.
> 
> Thanks, as always, for any help,
> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Twitter Apps For Mac OS

[Angie Nutt]

Hi

Yes I saw your post and have updated; thanks.

All the best
Angie


> On 15 Jan 2020, at 17:45, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Angie. I don't know if you saw my previous post, but they want you to have 
> the latest version of Night Owl that was released about 3 days ago in order 
> to use it with Twitter. Download the update and you'll be fine.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
> 
> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility 
> Matters or my new group, Mac Users And Newbies? Send me a private email with 
> your contact information and I'll happily add you.
> 
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2020, at 4:18 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Yes, I just got this issue with Night Owl yesterday; haven’t found a way 
>> round it yet.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2020, at 18:01, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m still running Mojave, and have been using Night Owl for twitter access 
>>> ever since I’ve had my Mac mini, but the other day I began having issues 
>>> where I can no longer get into Nightowl and log in to Twitter.
>>> 
>>> When I start the app, my Mac starts bonking continuously, and I keep 
>>> getting a message to please login to Twitter. There are Retry and Cancel 
>>> buttons, and what looks like a web page where I should be able to login to 
>>> Twitter again, but I can’t get past here. Are there any others who use 
>>> Night Owl and may have run into this problem? I’m also thinking it might be 
>>> high time to get a different app, so I’d be interested to know what others 
>>> are using.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, as always, for any help,
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Ring Video Doorbell

[Angie Nutt]

Hi

It may have improved but I’ve heard from other blind people that it’s not easy 
to find the button to speak to whoever is at the door and was slow to respond. 
The person in question found Google Nest Hello somewhat easier.

I am of course talking about the apps.

All the best
Angie

> On 29 Dec 2019, at 17:12, Georges Zaynoun  wrote:
> 
> Is this app accessible? I am planning to purchase such a doorbell to install 
> in the peep hall.
> 
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Re: Series5 Apple Watch

[Angie Nutt]

Hi

Press the crown three times at the setup screen.

All the best
Angie

> On 30 Dec 2019, at 13:07, Georges Zaynoun  wrote:
> 
> Wonder how to get it speaking, this is the first time I ever purchase such a 
> thing.
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Re: Thoughts on Tuesday’s event?

[Angie Nutt]

I enjoyed the event, especially hearing about the new watches though don’t plan 
on getting one this year as I have last year’s. If I were to get one I’d like 
product red. In the past I’ve been tempted to upgrade merely for the colour. 
 

All the best
Angie

> On 17 Sep 2020, at 13:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I’m surprised that there’s been no comment at all about Tuesday’s event, 
> though, I have to say that without talk of a new phone, it kind of felt more 
> like a non-event. :) But, just thought I would ask would people’s thoughts 
> are.
> 
> Personally, I don’t feel like there’s anything I absolutely have to have, but 
> I am considering the series 6 watch, and/or maybe a new iPad. My current 
> watch is a series 4, so upgrading to the 6 seems like it might be worth it, 
> and the blood oxygen monitor seems kind of cool. I’m intrigued by the new 
> iPad Air, though I’m not sure I want one that is that big. I currently have a 
> sixth-gen 9 inch, and I like that size.
> 
> Anyone else have any reactions?
> Cheers,
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Re: The Psychology of technology

[Angie Nutt]

Hi

I’ve had a couple of iPads in the past and particularly liked the mini but then 
I got a MacBook Air as wanted to try one out of curiosity. I find no need for 
both so no longer use iPad. I prefer typing with my Mac but that’s possibly 
because the iPad cases with keyboards which I had left a bit to be desired. The 
upshot: I think I’d like to always have either iPad or MacBook, have no use for 
both at this time. If you fancy a new iPad in particular then go for it. 

All the best
Angie

> On 9 Dec 2020, at 13:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect world, 
> I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch my funds a 
> little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to sort out 
> which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. That has gotten 
> me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, there’s no question about 
> that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make much sense. I agree with Joe, 
> that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. And, since I can’t see the 
> screen, there’s really no reason for me to have an iPad in the first place. 
> But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am very intrigued with the idea of 
> getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t really come up with a good reason 
> why. Everything Joe said in his video is right. The Mac is a much better 
> proeductivity device, and the iPhone is really all the screen I need. And, 
> it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it about the iPad that makes me like it? 
> Notice I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and typing this email on it, not 
> on my Mac and not on my iPhone.
> 
> This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something that 
> has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, I’d love 
> to hear people’s thoughts.
> Cheers,
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Re: Using Night Owl on the Mac

[Angie Nutt]

Hi

Press the space bar.

All the best
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> On 30 Sep 2021, at 02:13, Frank Ventura  
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> Hi all, if there is anyone who uses the Night Owl Twitter client, how do I 
> jump to the first (oldest) unread tweet in the timeline? thanks
> Sincerely,
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Re: Anyone have any experience with the Airpods Max?

[Angie Nutt]

Actually, I should have said that I’ve had to forget and pair them again. Have 
reset them once but can’t remember how as it was
last year. The problem I have from time to time is that they simply won’t 
connect to my phone, even when I try to do it manually. When going back to them 
later they usually work. Have had this with the AirPods 2nd gen too.


> On 3 May 2022, at 16:24, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Angie, could you elaborate on what you mean by “resetting “the AirPods Max? 
> Is that something to do with the button press combination between the crown 
> and the transparency button? What exactly are you talking about and what are 
> the conditions under which you need to reset?
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
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>> On May 3, 2022, at 9:38 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting take.  Thanks Kliph.  I’m more interested in them for 
>> listening, so the mic thing probably won’t be as big a deal for me.
>> 
>> That Bose feature does sound nice, but I much prefer the sound on apple 
>> headphones than Bose.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2022, at 8:20 AM, Kliph >> <mailto:kliph.miller...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love the sound quality for music, i love the battery life. The things I 
>>> don’t like
>>> •not being able to switch to another device on the fly. Example, when I had 
>>> my Bose quiet comfort, i could push my power button up once to get to my 
>>> iPHone, twice to get to my mac, then a third time to come back to my 
>>> primary.
>>> •No deadicated mute button. Sometimes I am on facetime calls, or zoom 
>>> calls, and I am not near device, you want to be able to mute on the fly 
>>> instead of running back to device to do so.
>>> •Microphone sound quality. Now i may be a little touchy here, but recording 
>>> podcasts, and dealing with studio sound may factor in here. It sounds 
>>> hollow or with a slight echo when played back, and of course there is a 
>>> slight lag.  Surprisingly where i get the best sound quality from the 9 
>>> microphones it claims to use, is in zoom on the mac. ON the phone its a bit 
>>> better, but not by much. You would think with a price tag this high, they 
>>> could do a bit better. I don’t even use them as much as I thought i would 
>>> based on the sound quality of the microphone. Some say turn off ANC, or 
>>> transparenancy mode, to get better microphone quality. Why would i want to 
>>> do that when those are features I bought them for? Have thought of selling 
>>> them, but they were a gift. So I will hold onto them for now. But i use my 
>>> airpod 3rd generations 4 times as much as I use the airpod max.
>>> 
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>>> options on how to make your recordings for podcasts or other files sound 
>>> good? Then audio editing101 is the group for you, join here
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>>> Let’s master editing audio together!
>>> 
>>>> On May 3, 2022, at 6:42 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm.  Good to know.  Thanks!
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 3, 2022, at 5:48 AM, Angie Nutt >>>> <mailto:an...@comproom.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I love mine: I find the sound quality to be very good; transparency mode 
>>>>> is great, that’s how I mainly use mine though sometimes use noise 
>>>>> cancelling if I have noise around me which is intrusive; that’s also very 
>>>>> good. The only thing is that I find them a bit temperamental; 
>>>>> occasionally have to reset them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All the best
>>>>> Angie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 29 Apr 2022, at 12:36, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good morning, all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve had the AirPods Pro for years, and in terms of performance and 
>>>>>>

Re: Anyone have any experience with the Airpods Max?

[Angie Nutt]

I love mine: I find the sound quality to be very good; transparency mode is 
great, that’s how I mainly use mine though sometimes use noise cancelling if I 
have noise around me which is intrusive; that’s also very good. The only thing 
is that I find them a bit temperamental; occasionally have to reset them.

All the best
Angie


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> Good morning, all,
> 
> I’ve had the AirPods Pro for years, and in terms of performance and sound am 
> quite happy with them.  But the left one has never really fit snugly in my 
> ear, and because of my involvement with the clinical trial I mentioned a few 
> weeks back, I’m going to be doing a lot of plane travel over the next several 
> years.  I don’t use my Airpods on the plane, because I’m afraid one of them 
> will fall out and I’ll never find it again.  So, I’m thinking about investing 
> in a good set of over-the-ear headphones, and since I’ve been happy with my 
> Airpods Pro, the Max are currently at the top of my list..
> 
> Anyone on the list using them? If yes, are you happy with them?  Pros? Cons? 
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

[Angie Nutt]

If it comes to it I’ll use the Twitter client for iPhone.

All the best
Angie


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> Thanks, I appreciate the information everyone. It does seem very deliberate 
> on Twitter’s part and if they do end up disabling all third party apps like 
> this permanently, it might be what pushes me over the edge to just stop using 
> Twitter. I’ve been thinking about it for a while anyway.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> THe issue is that quite a few third party twitter clients are experiencing 
>> this right now. Its not just night owl. 
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Brandon Olivares  
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>>> For the last two days, any time I open NightOwl, it asks me to 
>>> reauthenticate Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t 
>>> actually load, and it constantly plays the error sound again and again and 
>>> again. I’m unable to do anything else.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else having this problem?
>>> 
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Re: Anyone Having a Problem with Nightowl?

[Angie Nutt]

Yes, for me it started yesterday afternoon,; not surprised as I’d already heard 
about another client having problems.

All the best
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> On 14 Jan 2023, at 15:01, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
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> Twitter. Which is fine, but the page to do so doesn’t actually load, and it 
> constantly plays the error sound again and again and again. I’m unable to do 
> anything else.
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Re: When It Comes to iPhone, Are You All Thumbs?

[Angie Nutt]

For shortish stuff I hold my phone in my left hand and use one finger; I’m far 
from fast but I use the word predictions which works quite well for me. For 
longer stuff I use a qwerty bluetooth keyboard.

All the best
Angie

> On 18 Jan 2023, at 06:55, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> A friend of mine and I got into a discussion about how we type in iOS, when
> sending text messages.
> 
> It started when she asked me if I use my thumbs to type.  Even though I know
> that a great many people use their thumbs to enter text on iPhone,
> personally I find the technique slow and awkward.
> 
> How do I enter text in iOS?
> 
> First, I keep my VoiceOver typing mode set to "Touch Typing."
> 
> Second, I use a folio case.  Not only does such a case cover the display
> when not in use, it also provides a nifty way to balance the phone in one
> hand, fingers-free.
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> When entering text, I open the case, kind of like a book, with the wallet
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> I use my left thumb to access the letters and numbers, located on the left
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> access the letters and numbers located on the right side of the onscreen
> keyboard.
> 
> I hold the phone in the exact same way when using Slide-to-Type; except in
> that instance, I use my right index finger, only.
> 
> Okay, that's my method for entering text on iPhone.  
> 
> How about you?  What technique do you use to enter text in iOS?
> 
> When it come to iPhone, are you all thumbs? (smile).
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> Mark
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Re: Anyone have any experience with the activator braille display

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Unfortunately I can’t see your email address in the headers but I’ll give you 
mine; it is: 
an...@comproom.co.uk <mailto:an...@comproom.co.uk>

All the best
Angie

> On 9 Dec 2023, at 14:16, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Angie,
> 
> Could you write me off-list?
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2023, at 9:23 AM, 'Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I may be a bit over cautious but the Activator connects to the iPhone by 
>> lightning and newer iPhones will be USB c, so my question would be, if I 
>> were to buy one: will we be able to connect it using USB C? It may be 
>> possible to get an adaptor, but for that much money I’d really want to be 
>> sure. I too recommend hearing the podcast mentioned.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>>> On 8 Dec 2023, at 14:47, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/12/23 18:34, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to use the Activator braille 
>>>> display from Helptech--formerly HandyTech?
>>> No, but I've used one of their older displays briefly in a technology 
>>> demonstration. The finger detection mechanism worked reliably for 
>>> automatically panning the display. However, it needed to be adjusted to its 
>>> most sensitive setting, presumably because I touched the cells quite 
>>> lightly while reading.
>>> 
>>> Note also that Jonathan Mosen released a podcast last year in which he 
>>> interviewed HelpTech representatives about the Activator. It might be worth 
>>> searching for the recording or the transcript.
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Re: Activator, and iPhone transition to USBC

['Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries]

I’m glad to hear they’re working on it. If you can, wait until they’ve done it 
before shelling out any money or at least wait until they announce the price; 
the new docking station may not cost too much and may be something you can 
purchase later. 

All the best
Angie

> On 11 Dec 2023, at 15:26, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> So, I wrote to Helptech with Angie’s question.  Unfortunately, the response I 
> received was not what I had hoped for.  Here it is.
> 
> “Thank you for your interest in our Activator. We are aware that the new 
> iPhone generation will be equipped with USB-C. That is why we are already 
> working on a new docking station. This will be available in the first quarter 
> of 2024, i.e. by the end of March at the latest. We will announce the cost of 
> this before Christmas. Unfortunately, I don't know it right now. 
> However, it is also possible (from the new firmware version) to use the USB-C 
> interface directly on the left-hand side of the device instead of a docking 
> station. This has the disadvantages that the Activator and the iPhone are not 
> charged during operation and you cannot use a USB stick (on the docking 
> station).
> The firmware of our Braille displays is constantly updated and adapted to the 
> latest technology as far as possible.”
> 
> So, it sounds like anyone who purchases now will have to shell out more money 
> for a new dock, once they upgrade to a newer iPhone.  I think that rules me 
> out.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Activator, and iPhone transition to USBC

['Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries]

If I were going to buy one I’d wait at least until the price of the new docking 
station was announced. I’ve just had a thought though: if one does buy the new 
docking station and keeps an older iPhone as well, presumably one could chop 
and change between the two docks, making it a more flexible device.

I agree re the bugs which might occur  etc and the fact that things aren’t 
always released on time.

All the best
Angie

> On 11 Dec 2023, at 16:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Oh, I’m not buying *anything until all this dust settles.  I’m eligible for a 
> phone upgrade in October, so I’d be looking at buying the new doc approx nine 
> months after purchasing the unit.  I suppose if it comes in at forty or fifty 
> dollars I could live with that, but I can’t imagine that the price will be 
> that low.  Like you, I’m glad they’re working on it, and I get that they, and 
> the dealers are in a really tough position.  But, as we all know, new 
> products are not always released on Schedule, and there are frequently bugs 
> to be worked out when they are released.  Also, on principle, I have issues 
> with buying a brand new product, and then having to pay to upgrade the 
> hardware within less than a year of purchase.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 9:45 AM, 'Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m glad to hear they’re working on it. If you can, wait until they’ve done 
>> it before shelling out any money or at least wait until they announce the 
>> price; the new docking station may not cost too much and may be something 
>> you can purchase later. 
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>>> On 11 Dec 2023, at 15:26, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So, I wrote to Helptech with Angie’s question.  Unfortunately, the response 
>>> I received was not what I had hoped for.  Here it is.
>>> 
>>> “Thank you for your interest in our Activator. We are aware that the new 
>>> iPhone generation will be equipped with USB-C. That is why we are already 
>>> working on a new docking station. This will be available in the first 
>>> quarter of 2024, i.e. by the end of March at the latest. We will announce 
>>> the cost of this before Christmas. Unfortunately, I don't know it right 
>>> now. 
>>> However, it is also possible (from the new firmware version) to use the 
>>> USB-C interface directly on the left-hand side of the device instead of a 
>>> docking station. This has the disadvantages that the Activator and the 
>>> iPhone are not charged during operation and you cannot use a USB stick (on 
>>> the docking station).
>>> The firmware of our Braille displays is constantly updated and adapted to 
>>> the latest technology as far as possible.”
>>> 
>>> So, it sounds like anyone who purchases now will have to shell out more 
>>> money for a new dock, once they upgrade to a newer iPhone.  I think that 
>>> rules me out.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

['Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries]

Does indeed sound like a very interesting device but a bit scary re the Win 11 
thing. Other than a couple of macs, we only have Win 11 so if we bought the 
Activator things could get interesting. . If money were no object it 
would be interesting as an experiment though since we do have a braille display 
connected to a PC, as well as other things, with no issues.

It does sound a bit unwieldy for a lap whereas my latest acquisition is perfect 
for that. . The lap is how I mainly work, and when I used a MacBook Pro, 
15 inch I think, I found that a bit scary, feeling as though it could fall at 
any moment.

It’ll be interesting to know what their alternate method of updating will be. 
It’s a shame they didn’t go the same route as the Mantis; this way, it doesn’t 
matter whether you have a PC or Mac or whatever.

All the best
Angie

> On 5 Jan 2024, at 03:15, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I have just spent the last two weeks demoing the Activator braille display, 
> and I thought I’d send my review in case anyone is interested.
> 
> There is a lot to love about this display.  Unfortunately, there were also 
> some things not to love.
> 
> The form factor is amazingly streamline, especially given all that it 
> contains.  It is slightly bigger than the braille displays most of us are 
> used to, but in large part, that is because the back portion contains the 
> folding qwerty keyboard.  On the right side is the magnetic strip, used for 
> connecting the smart dock.  On the left, farthest from you, is the USB port 
> for connecting it to a computer.  In front of that, closer to you, is the 
> on/off switch.  A long press of this button turns the unit on and off, while 
> a short press cycles it between menu, Smartdock, and USB modes.  On either 
> end of the top of the device are three buttons.  The top and bottom buttons 
> are up/down buttons, while the right middle button is Enter, and the left 
> middle button is back.  These buttons are all small, so the middle 
> buttons—Enter and Back—are identified with a raised line.  Starting in the 
> front of the unit, are the concave braille cells, as you would expect.  
> Behind those is the Perkins keyboard.  The one unique thing about this is 
> that there are actually three space bars, two below the braille keys, and one 
> in between the two groups of four.  And behind that is the qwerty keyboard.  
> All you have to do to use the qwerty keyboard is fold it back.  One of many 
> nice touches HelpTech added is that on the back of the qwerty keyboard there 
> are little feet on each side, with a small rubber strip on the bottom that 
> you can pull out to help keep the device stable,  They recommend that you not 
> use the qwerty keyboard in your lap, but I did with no problems.  You just 
> have to put the feet down, and position your legs so that they support the 
> device.  A lap desk would accomplish the same thing.  The qwerty keyboard was 
> comfortable to use, but you do have to stretch to reach it, sort of like you 
> do on the Mac, except it’s a slightly bigger stretch.  The newer units are 
> going to be shipping with a quieter keyboard, so at this time I can’t say 
> anything about what it is like to type on, as that will not be the same for 
> anyone who purchases a device moving forward.
> 
> The concave braille cells, in conjunction with the ATC (Active Tactile 
> Control) make reading very comfortable.  In my experience the ATC technology 
> works quite well, though it worked best when I read with one hand rather than 
> two.
> 
> It also worked very well as a display when paired with my Mac and my PC.  I 
> tested with JAWS on my PC, and on the Mac with Voiceover.  There is no need 
> to install drivers in either use case, you simply plug it in and it is 
> detected.  You can, of course, also pair it via bluetooth, with PC, Mac, or 
> phone.  It also works as external storage on the Mac, which was a great 
> bonus.  (The one problem connecting it to the Mac as external storage is that 
> the Mac will dump a bunch of junk files on the Activator.  That results in a 
> No Disk Room error, so you have to delete the junk files and reboot the unit 
> in order to use it after transferring files.  Kind of a pain, but you can 
> transfer files that way, if you don’t mind the cleanup.)  It did not work for 
> me as external storage on Windows, more on that later.
> 
> Now for the best part, the interface with the iPhone.  It is AMAZING!  You 
> slide the phone into the dock, connect the dock via the magnetic strip, and 
> it’s like you have one device that is essentially an iPhone with braille and 
> the keyboard of your choice.  You can access all your apps and files, and you 
> can move files back and forth from the Phone to the Activator.  There’s also 
> a shortcut on the Activator that you can use to access the apps you use most 
> often.  It really is very slick.  The only drawback, and this won’t be a 
> problem 

Re: Anyone have any experience with the activator braille display

['Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries]

I may be a bit over cautious but the Activator connects to the iPhone by 
lightning and newer iPhones will be USB c, so my question would be, if I were 
to buy one: will we be able to connect it using USB C? It may be possible to 
get an adaptor, but for that much money I’d really want to be sure. I too 
recommend hearing the podcast mentioned.

All the best
Angie

> On 8 Dec 2023, at 14:47, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/12/23 18:34, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to use the Activator braille 
>> display from Helptech--formerly HandyTech?
> No, but I've used one of their older displays briefly in a technology 
> demonstration. The finger detection mechanism worked reliably for 
> automatically panning the display. However, it needed to be adjusted to its 
> most sensitive setting, presumably because I touched the cells quite lightly 
> while reading.
> 
> Note also that Jonathan Mosen released a podcast last year in which he 
> interviewed HelpTech representatives about the Activator. It might be worth 
> searching for the recording or the transcript.
> 
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Re: Anyone have any experience with the activator braille display

['Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries]

>From my memory of the podcast: it wasn’t clear of the outcome. Apparently 
>there’s a lot that can be done through a lightning port. Hoping someone has a 
>better idea by now. The manufacturer is the one who ultimately needs to answer 
>the question. I’d be interested on what other people thought of that part of 
>said podcast.

I was interested as I’d liked their stuff in the past and my dream has always 
been to have a braille display with QWERTY. It would take me longer to raise 
that kind of money than for the Mantis, so the Mantis, after my thoughts on the 
USBc thing, is the one I’ll try and save for.

All the best
Angie

> On 8 Dec 2023, at 15:32, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> That’s a really good question, Angie.  I just wrote and asked the US dealer.  
> I’ll let you know what he says.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2023, at 9:23 AM, 'Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I may be a bit over cautious but the Activator connects to the iPhone by 
>> lightning and newer iPhones will be USB c, so my question would be, if I 
>> were to buy one: will we be able to connect it using USB C? It may be 
>> possible to get an adaptor, but for that much money I’d really want to be 
>> sure. I too recommend hearing the podcast mentioned.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>>> On 8 Dec 2023, at 14:47, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/12/23 18:34, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Just wondered if anyone has had a chance to use the Activator braille 
>>>> display from Helptech--formerly HandyTech?
>>> No, but I've used one of their older displays briefly in a technology 
>>> demonstration. The finger detection mechanism worked reliably for 
>>> automatically panning the display. However, it needed to be adjusted to its 
>>> most sensitive setting, presumably because I touched the cells quite 
>>> lightly while reading.
>>> 
>>> Note also that Jonathan Mosen released a podcast last year in which he 
>>> interviewed HelpTech representatives about the Activator. It might be worth 
>>> searching for the recording or the transcript.
>>> 
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Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?

['Angie Nutt' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve used Apple Pay a couple of times on my iPhone and it’s worked well. I’ve 
only used it in one location though so far.

All the best
Angie


> On 6 Mar 2024, at 14:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Subject says it all,  I’m considering one or both of these options.  Would 
> love to know list members experiences, both good and bad.
> Thanks,
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