Re: Good Scrivener Tutorials?

[Chris Gilland]

You know… I bought Scribiner back in the days, and was super impressed with it. 
Like you however, it wasn’t so much that I found the internal help to be too 
visually oriented as much as at times, I found it a slight bit overwhelming. So 
I’m totally with you here! If anyone knows of anything, please do let us both 
know. :)

Chris.
> On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:36 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Just wondering for those that use Scrivener to write long projects such as 
> novels, are there any good tutorials? The internal Scrivener tutorial is 
> great for a lot of things but then there’s places where it describes elements 
> of the app for you to click on visually and I don’t get what it wants me to 
> do at times.
> Does anybody know of a tutorial that’s more… blind friendly in this case? I 
> usually don’t need to ask questions like this, but I want to figure out the 
> best way to use the outliner that works well for me.
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Pages: What's the best way to deal with this dilemma?

[Chris Gilland]

Thank you, Phil! You know… I didn’t even think about looking in there. That’s a 
really excellent suggestion! I wonder if we somehow can get my braille display 
to indicate what tet is highlighted, maybe by using dots 7 and 8 or something. 
I’m not talking about it showing the VO cursor; I know you can do that. I 
really need to play with the status cells and see what they can do for me. 
Right now, I’ve got them shut off, but that may not be such a smart move, in 
the long run.

Chris.
> On Nov 7, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I believe that feature is also available from the voiceover quick settings. 
> vo plus command plus arrowing to attributes, and then up or down arrow to 
> speak changes or something like that.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Aleeha Dudley  > wrote:
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>> Chris, 
>> I wonder if it might work to change the “when text attributes change” option 
>> in the text tab in VoiceOver verbosity settings. This should allow VoiceOver 
>> to speak the attributes that change as you read them.
>> HTH,
>> Aleeha 
>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, a friend of mine sent me a Microsoft Word d o c x document via e-mail 
>>> which contains a list of certain items. For confidentiality reasons, I 
>>> won't go into the specifics of the document, but within this list, certain 
>>> items have been highlighted in yellow. My friend wasn't the creator of this 
>>> document, and the intity who was does not wish to edit the document to make 
>>> that aspect more user blind friendly. I know. totally stupid, but, whatever.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, I know about hitting VO+T to get the font and text attributes, 
>>> which I think should tell me if something's highlighted, but I'm curious if 
>>> there is a way I somehow could get Voiceover automatically to tell me which 
>>> lines in the document have been highlighted vs. which ones are not.  This 
>>> way, I don't have to constantly on each item keep hitting VO+T and querying 
>>> things by hand.
>>>  
>>> Any suggestions, guys?
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Pages/Tables acting really screwy

[Chris Gilland]

OK, I don’t get this. I have a document which has a table in it. When I 
interact with the document layout, then with the body, I can move with my arrow 
keys, not using quick nav mind you, just fine. When I up and down arrow, I’m 
able to read line by line in the file. However, right before I encounter the 
table, Voiceover dings at me, and won’t let me move any further in the file. 
It’s almost like I’m at the bottom of the file, even though I darn well know 
I’m not so.

If I then hit VO+Command+T I am able to jump to the table, then interact with 
it, edit it, modify it, etc. but why on earth can’t I just arrow to it to begin 
with? That honestly makes me a bit perturbed. If it’s doing this, who knows 
what other content I may be missing in other documents by arrowing vertically 
through them.

Chris.

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Braille Navigation annoyances

[Chris Gilland]

Guys,

I am currently using a braille display with my Mac Mini Late 2012 on El Capitan.

I have a few questions, please.

First off, I am using contracted braille, and have disabled dot 7 8 braille.  
I’m noticing that when typing in a text field, be it in Text Edit, Pages, Mail, 
wherever, it doesn’t matter at all, even though contracted braille is enabled, 
I’m finding that the current word under the cursor is getting expanded to 
computer braille. I’ve looked in the Voiceover utility under the Braille 
category and automatic translation is unchecked. That’s the only thing I can 
thing that would control this behavior. Regardless, that isn’t working. Is 
there a way to turn that off, so it contracts regardless?

Second of all is a much more aggravating problem by far and away!

When I am reading a document in Safari, or say somewhere with an html element, 
like a web area in ITunes, or whatever, point is, it’s a web html content area, 
Each paragraph if a seperet item as far as Voiceover is concerned. I’m using 
DOM order, and I don’t have any desire to change that.  This is absolutely 
fine, but the problem lies in panning with the display.  Regardless if I’m 
using my big Alva Satelite 584 Pro, which is my primary display, or I’m using 
my Pacmate BX Omni 20 cell while on the go, I find that as soon as I pan the 
display to the right and it leaves one item and moves to the next, Voiceover 
starts audibly, with Alex, reading that next item. I know it’s simply doing 
that because of the fact I transitioned from the previous item to another item. 
The issue is, it really is very distracting when I’m in the heat of reading a 
really good article. Then, I have to take my hands off the display, hit the 
control key on the keyboard to shut up Alex, then go back to the display, and 
continue. It really really breaks the flow of things. I don’t mind Voiceover 
doing this normally, but there are times I’d rather be able to pan, and even if 
I leave one item and move to another, I’d rather it reflect that on the 
display, yes, but Voiceover not speak at all, if all I’m doing is panning.  
It’s fine if one item takes more than one pan to complete, so say on my 20 cell 
display, an item is over 20 characters. If I pan past the 20th cell to the 21st 
cell of the item, that is fine. It’s when I reach the end of the item, then try 
moving to the next item there after that this problem is occuring.

The final question I have is regarding my routing keys on my display.  I don’t 
understand why, but even in Sierra, this is an issue.  For some b izarre 
reason, my routing keys are not working at all on my Alva Satelite Pro 584.  
It’s the most weirdest thing!  My PM20 display works fine.  Another friend of 
mine who also owns an Alva Satelite tried to reproduce the problem, and he can 
as well.  So clearly, something’s either broken or not set by default.  I 
didn’t think the routing keys had to be set.

So, say I’m editting a document, and I find a typo. I should be able to press 
the router butting directly above the error to move my insertion point to that 
character and fix the mistake. I can’t. When I try, it just dings at me.  This 
is both again on Sierra, as well as on El Capitan. It works, as I said with my 
PM display, just not with the Alva.  I’ve tried both the top, and the bottom 
row of routing keys to no avale.  I don’t think these need to be mapped, as 
with the PM display plugged in, I went to the VO Utility/Braille, then on the 
braille display tab, under Assign commands, I don’t see those keys individually 
mapped.  On the PM display, they just work.  So I don’t think this is a mapping 
issue.

When I go into the setup within the actual firmware itself of the Alva display, 
the routing keys are not disabled.  So, yeah… I’m totally stumped.

I should add that on the Windows side of things on my Win XP machine with JAWS 
15, the routing keys work perfectly, so it’s definitely not a hardware 
malfuntion.

Any help with these things would be appreciated. I suppose I could call 
Accessibility, but the last time I did and asked them about anything braille 
related, they didn’t have the slightest clue, and normally haven’t other times 
as well that I called about braille. I guess they just are not trained on 
anything braille related, which is a bloody crying shame!

Anyway, can anyone help with these things?

Chris.

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Re: Downloading voices in Sierra

[Chris Gilland]

Hey there Phil.

So, yes… I definitely have seen this take over an hour. It’s rare, but I’ve 
actually seen it take up to a couple of hours. That said, the waiting to 
download shouldn’t take that long.

Chris.
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:43 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> I've set several voices to download in the voice over utilities, but they 
> seem to be stuck in the "waiting to download"status. Is it normal for them to 
> be in the hold status for an hour or more? I have my MacBook air on power 
> with Wi-Fi connected.
> 
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Re: Does IOS 9 or El Capitan have the voice memo app?

[Chris Gilland]

if nothing else, try opening the app using Siri. Or, another option would be to 
use spotlight.

Chris.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2016, at 17:52, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> If you have the standard IOS menu layout it will be on the second screan of 
> apps under the extra folder, along with contacts and calculater etc.
> 
> I've got the same device and that is where mine is found.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2016 10:36 AM
> To: AppleVis List 
> Subject: Does IOS 9 or El Capitan have the voice memo app?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I have a 6S Plus and don’t have an app called voice memo. A friend tells me 
> it is a standard app that is a part of IOS. I looked on the app store and 
> don’t see an app of that name by Apple. A Google search gives me plenty of 
> guides to use this simple app but no idea how to get it on my phone. Is it an 
> app that has been removed from the standard distribution of IOS?
> 
> If it has been removed. What do you recommend to make voice recordings that 
> maintain a quality audio recording while keeping the file size down. I know 
> that people are using roger but the recipient of my voice memos / recordings 
> does not want to install another app.
> 
> As I have a very good microphone connected to my Mac mini I’ve been using 
> QuickTime but I can’t reduce the file size to send via email.
> 
> Looking forward to hearing your responses.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gena
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Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items

[Chris Gilland]

my guesses, the device would probably run android under the hood, but it would 
not be android on the part that user would see. Think of it kind of like a 
skin. Or in other words, an overlay.

in other words, the underlying operating system would be android, yes, but my 
guesses, humanware would probably put their own software on top of that which 
would be the main UI of the system.



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> On May 13, 2016, at 17:57, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Sorry HW are going to release a tablet running android?
> 
> Hmmm, interesting, how over priced will this be?
> 
> It will be interesting to compare it to something say from Samsung or Google 
> 
> I'd still prefer my iPad or iPhone.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu
> Sent: Friday, 13 May 2016 8:32 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple store now stocking accessibility items
> 
> Curious thing, that.  Although I am quite a Humanware fan, by and large, 
> their latest product—a tablet running Android—is shortly to become available. 
>  I don’t suppose that will be on Apple’s store. :)
> 
> Anyway, the great news is that Apple want exactly the same for the Brailliant 
> displays that Humanware does.  Good.  That makes it a lot easier, when the 
> time is right.
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Re: VMWare Fusion and Sonar?

[Chris Gilland]

gosh!

I thought seminar was a lot more popular than what it seems to be.

Go here:

http://www.sonargnulinux.com



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> On May 5, 2016, at 05:41, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Yeah I’m wondering this one also?!
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> I’m also wondering what sonar is?
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2016 11:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VMWare Fusion and Sonar?
>  
> Matthew, this is absolutely excellent!  Let me try it with this gnome desktop 
> version.  If that doesn't work, I'll go grab the Mate version.
>  
> I wonder why you'd select Windows 10, when this is Linux, not Windows, or is 
> that something you honestly can't explain, you just know it works.
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: VMWare Fusion and Sonar?
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> select windows 10 either 634 bit or just windows 10.  After doiung thism, you 
> should boot just fine  once you boot up, make sure you select the icon on the 
> desk top that say install manjaro linux and follow the prompts. 
> 
>  
> 
> The first couple of screens, you will wnt tto use flat review as tabing will 
> change the langwage.  Matthew
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> On 05/04/2016 06:54 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> I'm making this a separate thread, as this really has nothing to do with my 
> other problem I was having.
>  
> Has anyone had success with the most up to date version of Sonar GNU Linux 
> getting it installed within VMWare Fusion?  I can't put it on my Windows 
> machine, as it's a live mission critical work system, and so I can't chance 
> botching up that PC in any way.  This is why I bought Fusion.  Whereas most 
> people wanna get Fusion so they can run Windows, I actually wanted it so I 
> can test different builds of Linux.
>  
> Anyway, being that Sonar is not really a distro in and of itself, I mean, it 
> is, but not really.  The kernel is based off Manjaro Linux.  I got the ISO, 
> and then in Fusion, I told it to install another OS from an image, then 
> browsed to the ISO.  This worked just fine.  When it asked me what OS I was 
> using, I went to the browser, and to Linux.  I didn't see Manjaro in there, 
> so I therefore went to Other.  Under other, I had two options:  other, or 
> Other 64 bit.  I've tried both.  Once I do this, save the VM, then it starts 
> to boot, the image boots just fine, I get the first little menu where you 
> just wait, and eventually the Sonar image will load, and Orca comes up 
> speaking the installer.  Unfortunately, at this point, that isn't happenning. 
>  Once the menu goes away, it's hanging and going no further.  I sat here for 
> almost an hour and a half waiting for the dad blame thing to load, and it 
> won't.
>  
> I'm quite sure someone! out there has got! to have tried getting this to work 
> on Fusion aside from me.  I just need to know the necessary steps to get 
> Fusion to fully load the thing, and let me install it without it hanging.
>  
> Being this is the MacVisionaries list, do realize up front that I'm not 
> asking for you all to tell me how to install Linux once I get into the 
> installer.  Now, off list, if you all wanna give me a hand, then by all 
> means, I will take all the help I can get with this, and will do so very 
> gratefully, but on list, to keep this on topic, all I'm asking is, how do I 
> set Fusion in general, and how do I configure the VM individually so that it 
> will let the Sonar installation succeed.
>  
> According to About this Mac, this is OSX 10.11.4, and is a Mac Mini, Late 
> 2012, 2.5GHZ Intel I5, 8GB ram, 500GB hard disk with 199.38GB available.  No 
> weird partitions, no Bootcamp, nothing.  I don't even think I have the 
> recovery partition.  I think a while back when restoring from a Carbon Copy 
> Cloner backup, I accidentally blew it up.  Whoops?
>  
> I'm using the USB full sized white aluminum Apple keyboard which includes the 
> numeric keypad.  This is not the USB and bluetooth Magic keyboard.  This 
> doesn't do bluetooth.  It's literally just the standard Apple full sized USB 
> only version.
>  
> Anyway, so, there's the hardware.
>  
> I'm totally at a loss.
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Re: Fandango, or IMDB?

[Chris Gilland]

OK, wonderful.  I will give it a try, and see if it meets my needs.

Chris.

> On May 1, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Ken brown <kbchil...@swbell.net> wrote:
> 
> The IMDB app is excellent and very accessible.
>> On May 1, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys, I have a quick question.
>> 
>> I am wanting to get more into reviewing different movies/TV shows online.
>> 
>> I've heard that on iOS, both the Fandango app, as well as the IMDB app will 
>> let you do this.  I understand fully that just because I review the movie of 
>> my choice on one of these doesn't mean it will appear on both apps.
>> 
>> What I'm wondering is, which one of these apps seems to not only be the most 
>> Voiceover friendly, but also, which one seems to be the less 
>> cluttered/clunky.  I know that this could be a bit of a subjective question, 
>> but I'm speaking more in general, if all I'm wanting to do is to read the 
>> plot summery of a movie, review a movie, or read other people's reviews, 
>> then which app probably would be best suited for my purpose?
>> 
>> Though I am an extremely advanced Voiceover user both on iOS as well as OSX, 
>> I do tend to prefer things that are the least cluttered possible.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Fandango, or IMDB?

[Chris Gilland]

Hey guys, I have a quick question.

I am wanting to get more into reviewing different movies/TV shows online.

I've heard that on iOS, both the Fandango app, as well as the IMDB app will let 
you do this.  I understand fully that just because I review the movie of my 
choice on one of these doesn't mean it will appear on both apps.

What I'm wondering is, which one of these apps seems to not only be the most 
Voiceover friendly, but also, which one seems to be the less cluttered/clunky.  
I know that this could be a bit of a subjective question, but I'm speaking more 
in general, if all I'm wanting to do is to read the plot summery of a movie, 
review a movie, or read other people's reviews, then which app probably would 
be best suited for my purpose?

Though I am an extremely advanced Voiceover user both on iOS as well as OSX, I 
do tend to prefer things that are the least cluttered possible.

Thanks for any help.

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Barnes and Noble web site driving me nuts!

[Chris Gilland]

Guys,

I'm not sure how many of you, if any use the Barnes and Noble web site to 
purchase online books either digitally or whatever, but I'm telling you one 
thing: I've not use the site in quite a while.  Last time I did, it was 
gorgeous, but now, to say it's a mess is an under-statement.

Every time I try opening the site with Safari, Crome, or for that mind, even 
with Webkit's nightly build, Voiceover totally locks up going busy.  A few 
times, I tried navigating to the site, and it wouldn't even fully load.  I had 
to hit command+R to refresh about 5 or 6 times before it finally decided to 
fully load.

When I called their support, they insisted it was an issue with my mac, but if 
that's the case, then explain to me how come I'm having this issue on all 3 of 
my macs, and also have the issue on my mom's mac mini as well.  Obviously, 
there is an issue, but B are refusing to admit it, which is a shame, 
considering that their I O S app is so well designed.

Before anyone says, what's wrong with just using IBooks, I'll say there's 
nothing at all wrong with it.  I love IBooks.  I just like having various 
different EBook readers on hand.  You'll never know when one may have a book 
that another doesn't.

Anyway, is anyone else noticing this with the mac when you try going to the web 
site?  If nothing else, once there, try going to the account link.  Then things 
really will start to fall apart, I almost can guarantee it.  If it does work 
for you, it'll most likely be very very sluggish.

Chris.

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Re: Chris, can you read this?

[Chris Gilland]

Scott,

Yes. That was definitely legible. Keep in mind however, I am checking this from 
my iPhone, and not from my PC.

It's hard to say.

We will just have to keep experimenting.

Chris.



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> On Mar 28, 2016, at 11:57, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Hi Chris, is this readable?  I disabled GPG signing, see if this fits the 
> bill?
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> Thanks for alerting me btw.
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Re: siri and iphone

[Chris Gilland]

what version of iOS are you running on that phone?

Chris.



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> Hi:
> I have an iPhone 6s. Siri stopped opening apps! It says the apps do not 
> exist. They do exist. I tried clearing ram, resetting phone by holding home 
> and apple buttons, and power on and off phone. No luck! Any ideas?
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Re: Download error in iTunes

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George, does it just simply say there was an error, or is it more specific?  
Does it maybe give an error code number or anything we could crossreference?

Chris.
> On Mar 20, 2016, at 11:58 PM, George Cham  wrote:
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> Hi, I have songs in iTunes on the iPad ,  that wont download.
> I keep getting  there is a error .
> How do i clear if 
> 
> George 
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Screen Brightness default

[Chris Gilland]

Guys,

I really haven’t ever thought about this until now, but when I boot my macbook, 
it is defaulting to 100% brightness regardless what I do.  If I set the screen 
to 0 brightness then either shutdown and later reboot, or I just simply restart 
without fully shutting down, doesn’t matter, as soon as OSX comes back up, it’s 
back at 100, making me again have to hold down FN+F1 until it’s at 0.  Don’t 
get me wrong.  This is a very very very minor annoyance, and it’s nothing I am 
terribly concerned about, but I’m just wonderring if there, even with the aid 
of a 3rd party app, might be a way to make it stick.

This is the official, non-beta build of El Capitan on a late 2012 macbook Pro 
13 inch non retina system with a superdrive.

Chris.

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Re: tutorials for the Mac

[Chris Gilland]

well, I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I actually produce tutorials for 
the Mac, as well as iOS.

If you're interested in learning more, write me off the list, and let me know.

clgillan...@gmail.com

thanks.

Chris.



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> Hello all, I know about macfortheblind but are there other places where one 
> can purchase tutorials for the mac?
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> Thanks.
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converting a document

[Chris Gilland]

guys,

I have a bit of a dilemma. i'm sure that this is been discussed here before, 
but at the time, I really didn't need to do it.

I have an Adobe acrobat PDF file which I need to convert to TXT format. what is 
going to be the easiest way to do this. This needs to be done fairly urgently. 
The document is pretty much plaintext, and actually was written by a blind 
individual, so it's not like it has a bunch of graphics or anything of sort in 
it.

thank you profusely for any help that you may be able to provide!

Chris.



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Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver

[Chris Gilland]

fair enough. Your point is taken. And I do agree. enough said. Everybody have a 
blessed day.

Chris.



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> 
>   It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral compass. 
> The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with people like 
> this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could
>> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so.
>> 
>> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work.  You
>> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support
>> you until the very end through this mess.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Aleeha Dudley"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the
>> Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> 
>> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something
>> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public
>> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you
>> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you
>> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about
>> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about
>> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything
>> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know
>> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true
>> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a
>> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your
>> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid.
>> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time,
>> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and
>> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently
>> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of
>> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training
>> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably
>> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from
>> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so
>> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another
>> awesome book.
>> Aleeha Dudley
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who
>>> asks. Contact me if you want it.
>>> 
 On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote:
 well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college.
 so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material?
 
 so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw 
> wrote:
> 
> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't
> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious.
> 
>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not
>> worth anything to you or your family?
>> 
>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on
>> producing this guide,
>> 
>> They've worked hard to put it together,
>> 
>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw
>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on
>> the Mac with VoiceOver
>> 
>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the
>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money
>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge.
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then
>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free.
>>> 
>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day,
>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then
>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> 

Perplexing problem with ITunes: very quiet playback

[Chris Gilland]

I’m pulling my hair out over here trying to figure this out.

I’m running the most up to date version of ITunes, El Capitan 10.11.3, no beta 
build.  This is the official release of everything.

This is an eluminum Macbook pro 13 inch mid 2012 unit.

Every time I play anything, it sounds ridiculously quiet.  I have  pressed 
command+up arrow and also have manually navigated to the volume slider and made 
sure it was up all the way.  I do not have audio ducking enabled in Voiceover 
preferences.

In the ITunes preferences, I made sure crossfade was disabled, which it is, and 
I also made sure the sound enhancer was off.  Sound check is also disabled.

I don’t have this issue on any of my other mac systems.  I get that the 
speakers in this model macbook naturally were a little bit quiet, in general, 
but trust me.  They shouldn’t be this quiet.  Voiceover is literally coming out 
about 3 or 4 times louder than any music.  And no.  It’s not how the music was 
mixed/mastered.  Trust me.  I’ve done this on about 7 or 8 different tracks, 
all of which were by different artists, and from different albums.  It’s not 
even just my music, nor Apple Music.  Podcasts, movies/TV shows, and even 
Beats1, are also exhibiting this odd behavior.

Anyone got any idea?

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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[Chris Gilland]

Actually, Spotlight had nothing to do with it.  Force resetting didn't seem to 
work either.  This said, I think I'm getting pretty close to figureing out the 
cause.

I don't want to say just quite yet, as I don't want to give wrong information, 
but I think it's an app I downloaded which isn't playing nicely.

Chris.

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 12:20 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> If restarting the phone normally and leaving it overnight doesn’t work, just 
> force reset it (Home+Power for 10 seconds).  That should kick Spotlight into 
> obedience.  Sometimes it happens that the mds process gets seriously stuck 
> and consumes 100% CPU.  Give it a shot.
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Re: There's gotta be an app out there that'll do this.

[Chris Gilland]

Are you saying to look in the sound menu in the menu bar of Simplyburns?

I'll gladly do that, if so.

Chris.

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Bill Dengler <codeofd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep, it does. Sound menu.
> 
> Bill
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I have a set of .flac files which I'm trying to burn on to an audio CD.
>> 
>> Obviously, ITunes won't open flack, so there went that idea.  I thought 
>> maybe Simplyburns could do this, but it doesn't appear to after all.
>> 
>> So, the million dollar question:  is there an application for the mac which 
>> is accessible, obviously, which will let me burn these flack files to audio 
>> CD?  If I onlyt needed them burned as data, then obviously, I'd be fine, as 
>> I'd use the finder natively, but seeing I need them in audio format, I'm 
>> just not sure.
>> 
>> Yeah, I suppose I could encode them to mp3, which I might have to do, and if 
>> I do, I guess that's fine, but I'd really like to keep the lossless quality, 
>> if possible.
>> 
>> Thank you for any and all help.  Oh, BTW, yes.  I have VLC, so I can at 
>> least play them.  Smile.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[Chris Gilland]

Chuck,

Remember though, this isn't on my mac.  this is happening on my I O S device.

Chris.

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 10:40 AM, CHUCK REICHEL <asaprecord...@bellsouth.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> heres my   mavericks tech tip to clear sluggish VO movement;
> 
> Any way you want to get there select the Caches folder and then press Command 
> Delete.
> ,
> 
> To empty out the Caches folder on your computer, you’ll need to open up 
> Finder first. 
> 
> With Voiceover on, you can press V O D, and it should default to Finder. Then 
> press V O Space. 
> 
> Once Finder is the focused application, press V O M to get to the menu bar, 
> then V O Right until you reach the Go menu. In the Go menu, select Go To 
> Folder. 
> 
> The location is ~/Library
> 
> Once you’ve typed that in, press Return. 
> 
> In the Library folder, you can select the Caches folder and then press 
> Command Delete to move it to trash. 
> 
> I recommend restarting the computer after you do this. 
> 
> 
> This made VO much more responsive for me!
> YMMV
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
> 
>> Actually, Spotlight had nothing to do with it.  Force resetting didn't seem 
>> to work either.  This said, I think I'm getting pretty close to figureing 
>> out the cause.
>> 
>> I don't want to say just quite yet, as I don't want to give wrong 
>> information, but I think it's an app I downloaded which isn't playing nicely.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 12:20 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If restarting the phone normally and leaving it overnight doesn’t work, 
>>> just force reset it (Home+Power for 10 seconds).  That should kick 
>>> Spotlight into obedience.  Sometimes it happens that the mds process gets 
>>> seriously stuck and consumes 100% CPU.  Give it a shot.
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Re: There's gotta be an app out there that'll do this.

[Chris Gilland]

I'll try again.  Maybe I tried adding the files incorrectly to the CD layout.  
It's admittedly been a while since I used this app, so I'm trying to remember 
how to use the thing.

Don't get me wrong, it's really easy, but it's more just refamiliarizing myself.

Chris.

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
> 
> I used to make audio CDs from flac in simply burns all the time.  I don't see 
> why it wouldn't work for you.
> 
> Having said that, you could extract to wav with xact and burn from wav.
> 
> Hth
> 
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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> I have a set of .flac files which I'm trying to burn on to an audio CD.
> 
> Obviously, ITunes won't open flack, so there went that idea.  I thought maybe 
> Simplyburns could do this, but it doesn't appear to after all.
> 
> So, the million dollar question:  is there an application for the mac which 
> is accessible, obviously, which will let me burn these flack files to audio 
> CD?  If I onlyt needed them burned as data, then obviously, I'd be fine, as 
> I'd use the finder natively, but seeing I need them in audio format, I'm just 
> not sure.
> 
> Yeah, I suppose I could encode them to mp3, which I might have to do, and if 
> I do, I guess that's fine, but I'd really like to keep the lossless quality, 
> if possible.
> 
> Thank you for any and all help.  Oh, BTW, yes.  I have VLC, so I can at least 
> play them.  Smile.
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There's gotta be an app out there that'll do this.

[Chris Gilland]

Guys,

I have a set of .flac files which I'm trying to burn on to an audio CD.

Obviously, ITunes won't open flack, so there went that idea.  I thought maybe 
Simplyburns could do this, but it doesn't appear to after all.

So, the million dollar question:  is there an application for the mac which is 
accessible, obviously, which will let me burn these flack files to audio CD?  
If I onlyt needed them burned as data, then obviously, I'd be fine, as I'd use 
the finder natively, but seeing I need them in audio format, I'm just not sure.

Yeah, I suppose I could encode them to mp3, which I might have to do, and if I 
do, I guess that's fine, but I'd really like to keep the lossless quality, if 
possible.

Thank you for any and all help.  Oh, BTW, yes.  I have VLC, so I can at least 
play them.  Smile.

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Re: There's gotta be an app out there that'll do this.

[Chris Gilland]

Actually, I'm not sure why.  I don't doubt Erick at all, but for some reason, 
it just refuses in Simplyburns to burn these Flac files.  this said, I did some 
googling, and I found a really sweet app which is on Sourceforge, I think even 
opensource, simply just called Burn.  Literally that is the whole name of the 
app.  B u r n.  Burn.  Anyway, I saw that it was supposed to do Flac to audio, 
so I gave it a try.  It is absolutely beautiful!  I'm extremely impressed with 
the app's accessibility.

If anyone would like to try it out, let me know, and I'll try to get you a 
download to the file in my Public Dropbox.  I say this, as it was ever so 
tricky to find the download link to online.

It looks like the app basically is pretty similar to Simplyburns.

Chris.

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 3:36 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
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> Could you convert them to ALAC using a tool like this:
> 
> http://tmkk.undo.jp/xld/index_e.html
> 
> then you could pull them into iTunes and do your usual CD burning stuff from 
> there.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/25/16 1:04 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I have a set of .flac files which I'm trying to burn on to an audio CD.
>> 
>> Obviously, ITunes won't open flack, so there went that idea.  I thought 
>> maybe Simplyburns could do this, but it doesn't appear to after all.
>> 
>> So, the million dollar question:  is there an application for the mac which 
>> is accessible, obviously, which will let me burn these flack files to audio 
>> CD?  If I onlyt needed them burned as data, then obviously, I'd be fine, as 
>> I'd use the finder natively, but seeing I need them in audio format, I'm 
>> just not sure.
>> 
>> Yeah, I suppose I could encode them to mp3, which I might have to do, and if 
>> I do, I guess that's fine, but I'd really like to keep the lossless quality, 
>> if possible.
>> 
>> Thank you for any and all help.  Oh, BTW, yes.  I have VLC, so I can at 
>> least play them.  Smile.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
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Re: There's gotta be an app out there that'll do this.

[Chris Gilland]

Erick, that is exactly!  I didn't have fluke installed, but within my googling 
I found out about it.

What's odd is, I installed it, but now when I try openning the .app file from 
my applications folder, nothing at all happens.  I hit command+O, and the 
Finder just sits there like I didn't do anything.

How do I open up the app and get the thing configured.  It supposedly will even 
let me play Flac files from within I'tunes.  If that's the case, that would be 
freaking awesome!  I just need to know how to set this bad baby up, now that I 
got Fluke installed.

Can you give me a few pointers?

Chris.

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll do the same here.  It's been a very long time for me too.  Maybe I am 
> viewing this through rose colored glasses.  Another possibility is that it 
> worked for me because I have fluke installed.
> 
> Best.
> 
> Erik
> 
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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 2:40 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I'll try again.  Maybe I tried adding the files incorrectly to the CD layout. 
>  It's admittedly been a while since I used this app, so I'm trying to 
> remember how to use the thing.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, it's really easy, but it's more just refamiliarizing 
> myself.
> 
> Chris.
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Erik Burggraaf < e...@erik-burggraaf.com 
>> <mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I used to make audio CDs from flac in simply burns all the time.  I don't 
>> see why it wouldn't work for you.
>> 
>> Having said that, you could extract to wav with xact and burn from wav.
>> 
>> Hth
>> 
>> 
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>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Chris Gilland < clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I have a set of .flac files which I'm trying to burn on to an audio CD.
>> 
>> Obviously, ITunes won't open flack, so there went that idea.  I thought 
>> maybe Simplyburns could do this, but it doesn't appear to after all.
>> 
>> So, the million dollar question:  is there an application for the mac which 
>> is accessible, obviously, which will let me burn these flack files to audio 
>> CD?  If I onlyt needed them burned as data, then obviously, I'd be fine, as 
>> I'd use the finder natively, but seeing I need them in audio format, I'm 
>> just not sure.
>> 
>> Yeah, I suppose I could encode them to mp3, which I might have to do, and if 
>> I do, I guess that's fine, but I'd really like to keep the lossless quality, 
>> if possible.
>> 
>> Thank you for any and all help.  Oh, BTW, yes.  I have VLC, so I can at 
>> least play them.  Smile.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: There's gotta be an app out there that'll do this.

[Chris Gilland]

Oh.  You didn't specify Amadeus, so I had no way to know what you were talking 
about.

Chris.

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Bill Dengler <codeofd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Nope, the sound menu in Amadeus Pro.
> 
> Bill
>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you saying to look in the sound menu in the menu bar of Simplyburns?
>> 
>> I'll gladly do that, if so.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Bill Dengler <codeofd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep, it does. Sound menu.
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Guys,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a set of .flac files which I'm trying to burn on to an audio CD.
>>>> 
>>>> Obviously, ITunes won't open flack, so there went that idea.  I thought 
>>>> maybe Simplyburns could do this, but it doesn't appear to after all.
>>>> 
>>>> So, the million dollar question:  is there an application for the mac 
>>>> which is accessible, obviously, which will let me burn these flack files 
>>>> to audio CD?  If I onlyt needed them burned as data, then obviously, I'd 
>>>> be fine, as I'd use the finder natively, but seeing I need them in audio 
>>>> format, I'm just not sure.
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, I suppose I could encode them to mp3, which I might have to do, and 
>>>> if I do, I guess that's fine, but I'd really like to keep the lossless 
>>>> quality, if possible.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for any and all help.  Oh, BTW, yes.  I have VLC, so I can at 
>>>> least play them.  Smile.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
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Re: There's gotta be an app out there that'll do this.

[Chris Gilland]

Ben,

that's precisely what I was gonna do, had it not been for me finding a direct 
sollution like "Burn."

Chris.

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 2:53 PM, ben J. Bloomgren <ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Or maybe, you could use Switch.
> 
> On Jan 25, 2016, at 11:24, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com 
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>> I used to make audio CDs from flac in simply burns all the time.  I don't 
>> see why it wouldn't work for you.
>> 
>> Having said that, you could extract to wav with xact and burn from wav.
>> 
>> Hth
>> 
>> 
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>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I have a set of .flac files which I'm trying to burn on to an audio CD.
>> 
>> Obviously, ITunes won't open flack, so there went that idea.  I thought 
>> maybe Simplyburns could do this, but it doesn't appear to after all.
>> 
>> So, the million dollar question:  is there an application for the mac which 
>> is accessible, obviously, which will let me burn these flack files to audio 
>> CD?  If I onlyt needed them burned as data, then obviously, I'd be fine, as 
>> I'd use the finder natively, but seeing I need them in audio format, I'm 
>> just not sure.
>> 
>> Yeah, I suppose I could encode them to mp3, which I might have to do, and if 
>> I do, I guess that's fine, but I'd really like to keep the lossless quality, 
>> if possible.
>> 
>> Thank you for any and all help.  Oh, BTW, yes.  I have VLC, so I can at 
>> least play them.  Smile.
>> 
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Re: Link to Simplyburns?

[Chris Gilland]

Lovely!  Error 404.  We can’t find the file.

That’s pretty.  LOL!  Just kidding.

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:17 PM, erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
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> Well, I have a direct link.  It may not be "the" direct link, but since it's 
> been so long that I forget where I got it exactly, try this.
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip 
> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip>
> 
> Ejjoy,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the Simplyburns app 
>> for the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every time I do, it keeps trying 
>> to direct me back to Softpedia which I don’t want to use.  Last time I did, 
>> I got quite a bit of malware.
>> 
>> Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.
>> 
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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[Chris Gilland]

Very strange.  It’s almost like a memory leakage.

I guess I’ll have to look more into what the heck is causing this, then.

Anyway, thanks for the confirmation.

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:37 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
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> Hello Chris,
> 
> No, I am noticing no additional sluggishness after going from 9.2 to 9.2.1 on 
> my 6 Plus.
> 
> Mark 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 6:24 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover
> 
> Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, and 
> no, I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official latest 
> build, that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  I’ve not 
> tested all the voices, but at least with the high quality female Siri voice, 
> it’s very noticeable on my IPhone 6S.
> 
> I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.
> 
> I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although it’s 
> happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.
> 
> Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
> don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the Messages 
> app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either of those, 
> the problem doesn’t seem to go away.
> 
> Chris.
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Re: Link to Simplyburns?

[Chris Gilland]

OK, that must have been it then.  I tried again, and this time, it worked.

Thank you.  I very much appreciate you uploading that for me.

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:29 PM, erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
> 
> It might take a few minutes to wend it's way up to the cloud.  My internet is 
> slow.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lovely!  Error 404.  We can’t find the file.
>> 
>> That’s pretty.  LOL!  Just kidding.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:17 PM, erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com 
>>> <mailto:e...@erik-burggraaf.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I have a direct link.  It may not be "the" direct link, but since 
>>> it's been so long that I forget where I got it exactly, try this.
>>> 
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip 
>>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1291668/SimplyBurns.zip>
>>> 
>>> Ejjoy,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the Simplyburns app 
>>>> for the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every time I do, it keeps 
>>>> trying to direct me back to Softpedia which I don’t want to use.  Last 
>>>> time I did, I got quite a bit of malware.
>>>> 
>>>> Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
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Link to Simplyburns?

[Chris Gilland]

Would anyone happen to have a direct download link to the Simplyburns app for 
the mac?  I’ve tried to Google it, but every time I do, it keeps trying to 
direct me back to Softpedia which I don’t want to use.  Last time I did, I got 
quite a bit of malware.

Before anyone asks, no.  It’s not in the mac app store that I can see.

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Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[Chris Gilland]

Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, and no, 
I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official latest build, 
that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  I’ve not tested all 
the voices, but at least with the high quality female Siri voice, it’s very 
noticeable on my IPhone 6S.

I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.

I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although it’s 
happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.

Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the Messages 
app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either of those, the 
problem doesn’t seem to go away.

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Re: Very! very! very very sluggish Voiceover

[Chris Gilland]

What about the speech rate.  That's not the issue.  When Voiceover speaks, it's 
fine.  It just takes forever when moving around the screen for VO to catch up.

It's seeming to gradually be improving, but it's still not great.

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 9:56 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Speech rate?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 1/24/2016 6:23 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Is it just me, or has anyone noticed that with the latest I O S update, and 
>> no, I’m not speaking of a beta.  This is completely with the official latest 
>> build, that Voiceover gets ridiculously ridiculously sluggish?  I’ve not 
>> tested all the voices, but at least with the high quality female Siri voice, 
>> it’s very noticeable on my IPhone 6S.
>> 
>> I just rebooted the phone, but I’m not seeing much improvement.
>> 
>> I’m finding this is happening most often in the Messages app, although it’s 
>> happenning globally.  It just seems to be the worst there.
>> 
>> Before anyone asks, No, I do not have much in my app switcher.  In fact, I 
>> don’t think there’s anything running with the exception maybe of the 
>> Messages app, and maybe the Audible app, although even when I close either 
>> of those, the problem doesn’t seem to go away.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
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Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Chris Gilland]

I wish I’d gotten help a bit sooner, admittedly, but that said, yes, Grant did 
direct me to that very place in his e-mail.  Things are absolutely working 
perfectly now!  I just hope that they’re not going to do away with the Book 
Manager on the mac side of things like they clamed they were going to do.

If this is what is making them decide not to continue it, then we all as 
members need to call them first thing on Monday, and let them know to update 
the outdated documentation, and not pull it at a future date.  Truth be, once 
you authorize the app, even in El Capitan, it works phenomenally!

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:43 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I have not been following this thread entirely, but this setting is now in 
> the Security and Privacy preferences of System Preferences in the Privacy 
> tab. You have to enable Assistive devices there.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
>> inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
>> consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies 
>>> over there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
>>> 
>>> Sharon H.
>>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Guys,
 
 I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
 for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
 since then.
 
 I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
 know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them 
 on my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
 
 After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message 
 saying I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the 
 checkbox to enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  
 Well, obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access. 
  Yeah, under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even 
 under there, none of the categories within the table give you the option 
 to allow access to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in 
 that message given by the Book Manager.  I have an option to continue 
 anyway, to quit, or of corse, to open System Prefs, which does absolutely 
 no good in this case.
 
 If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
 which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
 nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version of 
 the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't honestly 
 even think the About window is even popping up, period.
 
 Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as I 
 just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.
 
 Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, 
 I'm probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, 
 they were incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for 
 the mac client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true.  
 The pdf for the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, 
 I'd have to find a way to O C R the blasted thing.
 
 When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support that 
 could help me with the mac side of things, they not only said they were 
 doing away with the mac software eventually, but that they had no one on 
 staff at all either in office or not who knew Voiceover, and for that 
 mind, not only this, but they'd never even heard of Voiceover and didn't 
 even know it existed.  Finally, after some research, the lady I spoke with 
 came back on the line and goes, OK, sir.  You're running OSX 10.5 Leopard, 
 right?  I'm like, uh... Not? freaking, hardly!  Try El Capitan 10.11.2!  
 She's like, oh, I didn't realize they'd come out with something so much 
 newer.
 
 Needless to say, I'm not even slightly! impressed.
 
 I'd be incredibly curious if anyone of you all have gotten the manager to 
 work, and if not, then how the hell are you playing 

Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Chris Gilland]

Normally, yes, I’d agree.  The only reason I don’t agree with you in this one 
case is, I think it’s needing to somehow grab API’s from both Voiceover and 
from, most likely, Apple Script.  It can’t do that though being those are 
different components than what are built into the app to start with.  For this 
reason, OSX is actually doing you a favor by not allowing it by default.

I see where you’re coming from, trust me, I do.  Again, in most 99.999 cases, 
I’d agree with you whole heartedly.

I’d beg to say in this case though, it’s most likely a harmless thing.  Now, 
that also being said, why Learning Alley in the first place thought they had to 
make the app this way?  I’m sure there is a reason we don’t get, but I agree it 
seems a little odd.

Anyway, I’m not the programmer, so who am I to judge?

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
> inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
> consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley  > wrote:
> 
>> I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies over 
>> there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
>> 
>> Sharon H.
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Guys,
>>>  
>>> I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
>>> for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
>>> since then.
>>>  
>>> I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
>>> know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them 
>>> on my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
>>>  
>>> After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message saying 
>>> I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the checkbox to 
>>> enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  Well, 
>>> obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access.  Yeah, 
>>> under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even under there, 
>>> none of the categories within the table give you the option to allow access 
>>> to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in that message given 
>>> by the Book Manager.  I have an option to continue anyway, to quit, or of 
>>> corse, to open System Prefs, which does absolutely no good in this case.
>>>  
>>> If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
>>> which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
>>> nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version of 
>>> the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't honestly 
>>> even think the About window is even popping up, period.
>>>  
>>> Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as I 
>>> just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.
>>>  
>>> Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, I'm 
>>> probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, they 
>>> were incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for the mac 
>>> client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true.  The pdf 
>>> for the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, I'd have to 
>>> find a way to O C R the blasted thing.
>>>  
>>> When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support that 
>>> could help me with the mac side of things, they not only said they were 
>>> doing away with the mac software eventually, but that they had no one on 
>>> staff at all either in office or not who knew Voiceover, and for that mind, 
>>> not only this, but they'd never even heard of Voiceover and didn't even 
>>> know it existed.  Finally, after some research, the lady I spoke with came 
>>> back on the line and goes, OK, sir.  You're running OSX 10.5 Leopard, 
>>> right?  I'm like, uh... Not? freaking, hardly!  Try El Capitan 10.11.2!  
>>> She's like, oh, I didn't realize they'd come out with something so much 
>>> newer.
>>>  
>>> Needless to say, I'm not even slightly! impressed.
>>>  
>>> I'd be incredibly curious if anyone of you all have gotten the manager to 
>>> work, and if not, then how the hell are you playing your books on the mac, 
>>> or do you simply not.  Yeah, I have both my IPhone, and my Nexus 6, and 
>>> both on the Apple side of things with Voiceover, as well as on the Android 
>>> side with Talkback, things in both cases seem to work quite well, but it 
>>> would be nice to not always have to rely on a mobile device just to listen 
>>> to things.  Ya know?  Yeah, I also do have my Bard Enhanced 

Re: Learning Ally

[Chris Gilland]

Ben wrote:

One thing that we must now do is to make the company know full well that they 
must not get rid of this piece of software. All that they need to do is to 
update their documentation

I agree with you, Ben, 100%!

Chris.

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Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Chris Gilland]

I was gonna say.  If they don’t have a login, then how could they use the app 
anyway?

Setting configured or not?

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Brent Harding <br...@hostany.net> wrote:
> 
> I thought I remember back in those early days that it was recommended to turn 
> that preference on if you were going to use VO. I think some of that kind of 
> thing might come down to a copyright thing to make sure that only blind 
> people can use the app. If they use the api's directly instead of making a 
> normal app, they can make sure the wrong people hopefully don't use it, but 
> then if they don't have a login and password, there'd be no way for them to 
> download.
>  
>> ----- Original Message - 
>> From: Chris Gilland <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager
>> 
>> Normally, yes, I’d agree.  The only reason I don’t agree with you in this 
>> one case is, I think it’s needing to somehow grab API’s from both Voiceover 
>> and from, most likely, Apple Script.  It can’t do that though being those 
>> are different components than what are built into the app to start with.  
>> For this reason, OSX is actually doing you a favor by not allowing it by 
>> default.
>> 
>> I see where you’re coming from, trust me, I do.  Again, in most 99.999 
>> cases, I’d agree with you whole heartedly.
>> 
>> I’d beg to say in this case though, it’s most likely a harmless thing.  Now, 
>> that also being said, why Learning Alley in the first place thought they had 
>> to make the app this way?  I’m sure there is a reason we don’t get, but I 
>> agree it seems a little odd.
>> 
>> Anyway, I’m not the programmer, so who am I to judge?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was a change made in Yosemite announced in summer 2014. It is 
>>> inexcusable that there is not at least a daw listing this change. I also 
>>> consider this a security risk that this needs to be enabled. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Sharon Hooley <shoole...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:shoole...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I guess it'll take a lot of people to call the attention to the techies 
>>>> over there to keep up with all the devices blind users like to work with.
>>>> 
>>>> Sharon H.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>  
>>>>> I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
>>>>> for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed 
>>>>> since then.
>>>>>  
>>>>> I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
>>>>> know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them 
>>>>> on my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
>>>>>  
>>>>> After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message 
>>>>> saying I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the 
>>>>> checkbox to enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  
>>>>> Well, obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal 
>>>>> Access.  Yeah, under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but 
>>>>> even under there, none of the categories within the table give you the 
>>>>> option to allow access to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 
>>>>> buttons in that message given by the Book Manager.  I have an option to   
>>>>>continue anyway, to quit, or of corse, to open System Prefs, which 
>>>>> does absolutely no good in this case.
>>>>>  
>>>>> If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
>>>>> which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
>>>>> nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version 
>>>>> of the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't 
>>

Re: Game tonight?

[Chris Gilland]

Yeah,

I’m not aware of anything either, Ben.  Anyway, now I’ve just gotta figure out 
what network on the radio down here is coverring it, as I don’t think WBT will. 
 Anyway, that’s for a discussion not on this list.  LOL!

GRR!  Go? Panthers!

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:09 PM, ben J. Bloomgren <ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> I don't know of anything that sort. If they had put tuna in radio on to the 
>> Apple TV for, that would be bloody amazing. On Jan 24, 2016, at 13:30, Chris 
>> Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get 
>> which will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I 
>> really don’t care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just 
>> wanting to watch this particular game.
>> 
>> Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
>> wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Game tonight?

[Chris Gilland]

Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get which 
will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I really don’t 
care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just wanting to watch this 
particular game.

Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.

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Re: Game tonight?

[Chris Gilland]

I’d assume that ESPN Radio’s not available for Apple TV4 though, or is it?

Chris.

> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:17 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   ESPN Radio or if you have a WFAN affiliate have been the ones covering the 
> radio broadcasts of the playoff games.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah,
>> 
>> I’m not aware of anything either, Ben.  Anyway, now I’ve just gotta figure 
>> out what network on the radio down here is coverring it, as I don’t think 
>> WBT will.  Anyway, that’s for a discussion not on this list.  LOL!
>> 
>> GRR!  Go? Panthers!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 5:09 PM, ben J. Bloomgren <ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I don't know of anything that sort. If they had put tuna in radio on to 
>>>> the Apple TV for, that would be bloody amazing. On Jan 24, 2016, at 13:30, 
>>>> Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know if there are any apps for my Apple TV 4 that I can get 
>>>> which will be broadcasting the Panthers vs. Cardinals game tonight?  I 
>>>> really don’t care to pay for any type of premium membership.  I’m just 
>>>> wanting to watch this particular game.
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, I could get it on cable, but there’s no cable jack in the room I’m 
>>>> wanting to watch fromm, so there went that idea.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
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What ever happened to Chain Reaction?

[Chris Gilland]

Perhaps I’m remembering incorrectly, but wasn’t there a version of the 
blind-friendly game Chain Reaction in the mac app store?  I can’t seem to find 
it any longer.

I’m definitely by far and away not really a gamer, nor have much desire to be, 
but this particular game has always sparked my interest for some reason, so 
would like to give it a try, if the price was right.

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Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Chris Gilland]

You are amazing!  I will give that a try right now.

Chris.

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hi Christopher-Mark,
> 
> I know this is a very late reply to this thread.
> 
> If you go into system preferences>security and privacy, there’s an 
> accessibility category under the privacy tab. Here you can, as the UI puts 
> it, "Allow the apps below to control your computer.” I know nothing about the 
> Learning Alley Book Manager app, but do you think that’s maybe the place 
> where you need to go to give it permission? I believe this authorizes apps to 
> control your Mac using certain scripts and commands.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>>  
>> I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
>> for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed since 
>> then.
>>  
>> I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
>> know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them on 
>> my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
>>  
>> After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message saying 
>> I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the checkbox to 
>> enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  Well, 
>> obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access.  Yeah, 
>> under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even under there, 
>> none of the categories within the table give you the option to allow access 
>> to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in that message given 
>> by the Book Manager.  I have an option to continue anyway, to quit, or of 
>> corse, to open System Prefs, which does absolutely no good in this case.
>>  
>> If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
>> which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
>> nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version of 
>> the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't honestly 
>> even think the About window is even popping up, period.
>>  
>> Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as I 
>> just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.
>>  
>> Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, I'm 
>> probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, they were 
>> incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for the mac 
>> client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true.  The pdf 
>> for the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, I'd have to 
>> find a way to O C R the blasted thing.
>>  
>> When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support that 
>> could help me with the mac side of things, they not only said they were 
>> doing away with the mac software eventually, but that they had no one on 
>> staff at all either in office or not who knew Voiceover, and for that mind, 
>> not only this, but they'd never even heard of Voiceover and didn't even know 
>> it existed.  Finally, after some research, the lady I spoke with came back 
>> on the line and goes, OK, sir.  You're running OSX 10.5 Leopard, right?  I'm 
>> like, uh... Not? freaking, hardly!  Try El Capitan 10.11.2!  She's like, oh, 
>> I didn't realize they'd come out with something so much newer.
>>  
>> Needless to say, I'm not even slightly! impressed.
>>  
>> I'd be incredibly curious if anyone of you all have gotten the manager to 
>> work, and if not, then how the hell are you playing your books on the mac, 
>> or do you simply not.  Yeah, I have both my IPhone, and my Nexus 6, and both 
>> on the Apple side of things with Voiceover, as well as on the Android side 
>> with Talkback, things in both cases seem to work quite well, but it would be 
>> nice to not always have to rely on a mobile device just to listen to things. 
>>  Ya know?  Yeah, I also do have my Bard Enhanced NLS player, but again, I 
>> might not always want to rely on that thing.
>>  
>> Suggestions, aside from the obvious of screaming at the top of my lungs?
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: What ever happened to Chain Reaction?

[Chris Gilland]

Guys,

Thank all of you for the correction on the title.

Yes, I found it as well.  It’s a little more expensive than what I care to 
spend right this moment, but I might get it next month.  We’ll just have to see.

Chris.

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep, it's definitely there. I just bought it, and noted that it was updated 
> September of 2015 most recently.
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 18:43, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oops?  I’m an idiot.  LOL!
>> 
>> That definitely would explain it, huh.  Whoops?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Darcy Burnard <dhsda...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:dhsda...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.  I think the game you're looking for is called Change Reaction, and yes 
>>> that is in the app store.
>>> Darcy
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 5:17 PM, ben J. Bloomgren <ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It costs a bit of money, but it is quite worth it. It's one of the hardest 
>>>> games to play, but it's one of the funnest as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Ben
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 13:15, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps I’m remembering incorrectly, but wasn’t there a version of the 
>>>>> blind-friendly game Chain Reaction in the mac app store?  I can’t seem to 
>>>>> find it any longer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m definitely by far and away not really a gamer, nor have much desire 
>>>>> to be, but this particular game has always sparked my interest for some 
>>>>> reason, so would like to give it a try, if the price was right.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris.
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Re: Question about Learning Alley L A Book Manager

[Chris Gilland]

Grant?  You! my friend, are a genius!  That worked absolutely 100% flawlessly!  
Thank you thank you thank you!

Mission accomplished.  My book manager is working perfectly now!

God bless, and have yourself a magnificent night.

Chris.

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hi Christopher-Mark,
> 
> I know this is a very late reply to this thread.
> 
> If you go into system preferences>security and privacy, there’s an 
> accessibility category under the privacy tab. Here you can, as the UI puts 
> it, "Allow the apps below to control your computer.” I know nothing about the 
> Learning Alley Book Manager app, but do you think that’s maybe the place 
> where you need to go to give it permission? I believe this authorizes apps to 
> control your Mac using certain scripts and commands.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>>  
>> I just renewed my Learning Alley membership, as I've not been current now 
>> for quite some time, probably since 2011.  A lot seems to have changed since 
>> then.
>>  
>> I see that they have a mac version of the Learning alley Book Manager.  I 
>> know it's not necessary for downloading books, but if I want to play them on 
>> my mac, I'll need it, no doubt, being the books are incrypted.
>>  
>> After installing the book manager, and launching it, I get a message saying 
>> I need to go into System Preferences, and then tab down to the checkbox to 
>> enable access for assistive devices within Universal Access.  Well, 
>> obviously, there is no such thing in El Capitan as Universal Access.  Yeah, 
>> under System prefs, there is the accessibility payne, but even under there, 
>> none of the categories within the table give you the option to allow access 
>> to assistive devices.  I definitely do see 3 buttons in that message given 
>> by the Book Manager.  I have an option to continue anyway, to quit, or of 
>> corse, to open System Prefs, which does absolutely no good in this case.
>>  
>> If I elect to continue anyway, then I'm given to items on the  screen of 
>> which both just say unknown, and interacting with them does entirely 
>> nothing.  I can't even access About window to tell you all what version of 
>> the manager is running.  Again, I just get two unknowns.  I don't honestly 
>> even think the About window is even popping up, period.
>>  
>> Yes, this is the most recent version of the software.  It has to be, as I 
>> just downloaded it from the Learning Alley web site this morning.
>>  
>> Suffice it to say, if L A can't get their crap together more than this, I'm 
>> probably gonna cancel my membership.  When I called their support, they were 
>> incredibly unhelpful.  They told me they had no user guide for the mac 
>> client, which I later after looking myself found out wasn't true.  The pdf 
>> for the guide however is only images, with no text.  Therefore, I'd have to 
>> find a way to O C R the blasted thing.
>>  
>> When I called and asked to speak to someone who was in tech support that 
>> could help me with the mac side of things, they not only said they were 
>> doing away with the mac software eventually, but that they had no one on 
>> staff at all either in office or not who knew Voiceover, and for that mind, 
>> not only this, but they'd never even heard of Voiceover and didn't even know 
>> it existed.  Finally, after some research, the lady I spoke with came back 
>> on the line and goes, OK, sir.  You're running OSX 10.5 Leopard, right?  I'm 
>> like, uh... Not? freaking, hardly!  Try El Capitan 10.11.2!  She's like, oh, 
>> I didn't realize they'd come out with something so much newer.
>>  
>> Needless to say, I'm not even slightly! impressed.
>>  
>> I'd be incredibly curious if anyone of you all have gotten the manager to 
>> work, and if not, then how the hell are you playing your books on the mac, 
>> or do you simply not.  Yeah, I have both my IPhone, and my Nexus 6, and both 
>> on the Apple side of things with Voiceover, as well as on the Android side 
>> with Talkback, things in both cases seem to work quite well, but it would be 
>> nice to not always have to rely on a mobile device just to listen to things. 
>>  Ya know?  Yeah, I also do have my Bard Enhanced NLS player, but again, I 
>> might not always want to rely on that thing.
>>  
>> Suggestions, aside from the obvious of screaming at the top of my lungs?
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: What ever happened to Chain Reaction?

[Chris Gilland]

Oops?  I’m an idiot.  LOL!

That definitely would explain it, huh.  Whoops?

Thanks.

Chris.

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Darcy Burnard <dhsda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.  I think the game you're looking for is called Change Reaction, and yes 
> that is in the app store.
> Darcy
> 
>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 5:17 PM, ben J. Bloomgren <ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It costs a bit of money, but it is quite worth it. It's one of the hardest 
>> games to play, but it's one of the funnest as well.
>> 
>> Ben
>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2016, at 13:15, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I’m remembering incorrectly, but wasn’t there a version of the 
>>> blind-friendly game Chain Reaction in the mac app store?  I can’t seem to 
>>> find it any longer.
>>> 
>>> I’m definitely by far and away not really a gamer, nor have much desire to 
>>> be, but this particular game has always sparked my interest for some 
>>> reason, so would like to give it a try, if the price was right.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
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Re: iCloud backup can't be turned on

[Chris Gilland]

This is totally awesome.  I mean, it’s not awesome that you’re having this 
issue, at all, but it’s awesome in the sense that this may help both you and I 
in the long run.

I’m having the exact same problem, and Apple was able to reproduce the issue on 
my account with a test lab phone, so that being said, I’ve forwarded your 
message to the senior advisor that is helping me out with this issue exactly on 
my phone.

We even have the same hardware.  We both are having this issue on the 6S.  So, 
when I saw your message, I immediately forwarded it off.  I figure, if the 
engineers see that it’s not just me having this problem, they’ll be more likely 
to get this fixed very very quickly.

I may also suggest you calling Apple if you can and explaining the situation to 
them so they can open a case for you as well.

Clearly, Apple’s having some server sided issues with ICloud lately.

the guy I am working with’s name is Chris Norfolk.  Beware there are multiple 
call centers, so don’t assume the rep you get will necessarily know him.

Anyway, you can call them at:

1-877-204-3930.

Choose option 1 from the main menu.

I know this doesn’t really help, per sé, but I just wanted to throw in the word 
to say you’re not the only one apparently who is having this issue, and that 
Apple has definitely been made aware of it.

Chris.

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m having some issues with iCloud Backup. I’m using a freshly restored 
> iPhone 6S Plus and the latest version of iOS.
> 
> When I go to settings>iCloud>Backup and try to turn iCloud Backup on, I get a 
> generic error message: “there was a problem enabling iCloud backup”. This 
> error message is mentioned in this Apple support article: 
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT204058 
> . The support article instructs to 
> wait about 10 minutes, which I have done. It also advises to check the iCloud 
> system status, which I’ve also done. In addition, I’ve rebooted the phone and 
> reset network settings. When I go into settings>iCloud>storage>manage 
> storage, no entries for backups are listed so there’s nothing to delete. On 
> my Mac, if I open system preferences>iCloud and open the manage storage 
> window, there’s actually a backup category—but there are no backups listed 
> under that category so nothing can be deleted.
> 
> Does anybody have any ideas as to how this issue can be resolved?
> 
> Thanks so much,
> 
> Grant
> 
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Re: Need a bit of USB sound education

[Chris Gilland]

Simon wrote:

I think it was a creative device from memory.

That would make complete sense.  I have a Creative Sound Blaster Live 24 Bit 
card which I got way way back in the days.  I mean, we’re talking probably 
around 2007, maybe 2008.  It’s fairly old, but it definitely does the job, and 
yes, it is totally 100% OSX compatible.  Also, you may want to check out the 
Griffen line of products.  I’ve never personally owned nor seen one, but I know 
people who have used them with the mac, and have had extremely good results.

Chris.

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Re: YoruFukurou is driving me crazy! Please help.

[Chris Gilland]

Thanks, Ricardo.  Is Option+Up and down arrow only a command for Night Owl, or 
is it a global command throughout the OS.  If the ladder, what is it used for?

Chris.
> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> there is no need to ever interact with the table in night owl unless you wish 
> to read by word or character. To get to the top of your timeline, just press 
> option up arrow. to get to the bottom, option down arrow.
> 
> hth
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>> OK, this is driving me nuts!  I’m getting into using my mac more for Twitter 
>> purposes, and therefore have… well… call it what you will, Night owl, or 
>> YoruFukurou installed.
>> 
>> When in my main timeline tab, I’m finding that often times, whether it be 
>> after I post a public tweet/RT, doesn’t matter, if I then look at the table, 
>> be it interacting or not, I find that I’m not at the top row of the table.  
>> It used to be, this wasn’t an issue.  I could simply interact with the 
>> table, then hit vo+Home, or in the case of my macbook, fn+VO+left arrow, and 
>> it would jump me to the top, and I’d be on my merry way.  At this point 
>> though, it’s seeming to become less and less reliable.  You might say, ok, 
>> fine, interact with the table, then just keep up arrowing.  That’s great, 
>> but when you’re about 500 tweets literally down in the table list… um… yeah. 
>>  No thank you.
>> 
>> Has anyone seen this, and do you know if so how to fix it?  I’ve looked 
>> under preferences, but I see nothing I might have set that would cause this. 
>>  The only thing I see which may even remotely be relevant is on the general 
>> tab.  It says something to the effect of automatically scrolling to the top. 
>>  I’ve tried both checking and unchecking this box but it doesn’t seem to be 
>> having any effect either way on this issue.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: YoruFukurou is driving me crazy! Please help.

[Chris Gilland]

That is freaking awesome!  I had no idea!  I was under the impression that 
list/tables worked the same way they did in Windows, in that you used the home 
key, or ctrl+Home.  I guess on the mac side that would be command+left arrow or 
command+up arrow.

Good to know that lists work slightly differently.

I’m definitely going to archive your message here in my notes of tips and 
tricks for tech related things.

Thanks for explaining; greatly appreciate it!

Chris.

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It’s a global command. It takes you to the bottom or top of many lists. for 
> example, lets say you have a folder in your finder, you have a few hundred 
> files in there. You can press option up or down arrow to get to the first and 
> last files in that folder.
> 
> Lets take Mail. when in the messages table, pressing option up or down arrow 
> takes you to the first or last message in the list.
> 
> hth.
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Ricardo.  Is Option+Up and down arrow only a command for Night Owl, 
>> or is it a global command throughout the OS.  If the ladder, what is it used 
>> for?
>> 
>> Chris.
>>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> there is no need to ever interact with the table in night owl unless you 
>>> wish to read by word or character. To get to the top of your timeline, just 
>>> press option up arrow. to get to the bottom, option down arrow.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OK, this is driving me nuts!  I’m getting into using my mac more for 
>>>> Twitter purposes, and therefore have… well… call it what you will, Night 
>>>> owl, or YoruFukurou installed.
>>>> 
>>>> When in my main timeline tab, I’m finding that often times, whether it be 
>>>> after I post a public tweet/RT, doesn’t matter, if I then look at the 
>>>> table, be it interacting or not, I find that I’m not at the top row of the 
>>>> table.  It used to be, this wasn’t an issue.  I could simply interact with 
>>>> the table, then hit vo+Home, or in the case of my macbook, fn+VO+left 
>>>> arrow, and it would jump me to the top, and I’d be on my merry way.  At 
>>>> this point though, it’s seeming to become less and less reliable.  You 
>>>> might say, ok, fine, interact with the table, then just keep up arrowing.  
>>>> That’s great, but when you’re about 500 tweets literally down in the table 
>>>> list… um… yeah.  No thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone seen this, and do you know if so how to fix it?  I’ve looked 
>>>> under preferences, but I see nothing I might have set that would cause 
>>>> this.  The only thing I see which may even remotely be relevant is on the 
>>>> general tab.  It says something to the effect of automatically scrolling 
>>>> to the top.  I’ve tried both checking and unchecking this box but it 
>>>> doesn’t seem to be having any effect either way on this issue.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
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Re: Apple ITunes Remote?

[Chris Gilland]

Aa!  Gotcha!  So in other words, if I’m understanding you correctly, what it 
sounds to me like you’re saying is, correct me if I’m wrong, the remotes within 
ITunes itself are more home sharing based, not infrared.  So, these would be 
things like say, the Remote app on I O S if you had your ITunes library pared 
to the app.

That actually does make sense.

Thanks for explaining… I admit, I was definitely a bit perplexed about that.  
Now that you mention it, I see what’s going on.

Chris.

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 3:06 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> The remotes in the iTunes Preferences under Devices are iOS Remote app 
> installations paired using the manual process (and not Home Sharing).
> 
> You’ll find the control for handling infra-red remotes (on Macs that have an 
> IR receiver) in System Preferences under Security and Privacy, Advanced 
> button.  You can pair a specific remote or drop an existing pairing.  You can 
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YoruFukurou is driving me crazy! Please help.

[Chris Gilland]

OK, this is driving me nuts!  I’m getting into using my mac more for Twitter 
purposes, and therefore have… well… call it what you will, Night owl, or 
YoruFukurou installed.

When in my main timeline tab, I’m finding that often times, whether it be after 
I post a public tweet/RT, doesn’t matter, if I then look at the table, be it 
interacting or not, I find that I’m not at the top row of the table.  It used 
to be, this wasn’t an issue.  I could simply interact with the table, then hit 
vo+Home, or in the case of my macbook, fn+VO+left arrow, and it would jump me 
to the top, and I’d be on my merry way.  At this point though, it’s seeming to 
become less and less reliable.  You might say, ok, fine, interact with the 
table, then just keep up arrowing.  That’s great, but when you’re about 500 
tweets literally down in the table list… um… yeah.  No thank you.

Has anyone seen this, and do you know if so how to fix it?  I’ve looked under 
preferences, but I see nothing I might have set that would cause this.  The 
only thing I see which may even remotely be relevant is on the general tab.  It 
says something to the effect of automatically scrolling to the top.  I’ve tried 
both checking and unchecking this box but it doesn’t seem to be having any 
effect either way on this issue.

Chris.

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Re: An introduction and a question

[Chris Gilland]

Welcome to the list, Ben!  We’re so glad to have you.

I’m personally not aware of anything, but seeing I’m the one who suggested the 
list to you, I wanted to at least extend my welcome.

Take care.

Chris.

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 5:23 AM, ben J. Bloomgren  
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> Hello all,
> 
> My name is Ben Bloomgren, and I live in Scottsdale, Arizona. I just recently 
> returned to iOS with the acquisition of a new iPhone 6s. I am really liking 
> iOS, and I am really seeing potential for 3D Touch. Anyway, I've got a 
> question about sleep tracking apps.
> 
> Has anybody used an app to track sleep patterns? I installed Argus by Azumio, 
> but the alarm area is completely inaccessible due to the need to scroll 
> around a clock. Please note, that I am not referring to sleep help apps that 
> use soundscapes necessary to help you get to sleep. I literally want to put 
> the iPhone by my pillow, and use the accelerometer to determine how my sleep 
> cycle is.
> 
> I am excited to contribute to this list. Thank you.
> 
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Re: Tables in pages

[Chris Gilland]

Andrew,

Thank you very much for your response.

You said:

remember if you use tab, and you arrive at the last cell in the table in the 
last row, pressing tab  once more will automatically add another row to the 
table

That’s a good thing to know.  Thanks for the heads up.  Normally, I don’t tab 
through tables anyway, so in that regard, I should be OK.

Chris.

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> When you encounter a table in Pages, you need to interact with it and then 
> use vo+arrow keys to navigate from cell to cell.  You can read and enter data 
> in this way.  You can also use tab, but remember if you use tab, and you 
> arrive at the last cell in the table in the last row, pressing tab  once more 
> will automatically add another row to the table.  
> My problem with latest update to pages is that I can't seem to arrow past a 
> table in the document I've created, something that's already been mentioned 
> here.
> 
> Sorry I'm rushing this message before I go to work.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 20:31, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't mean to somewhat hijack this thread, so I'll keep this extremely 
>> incredibly brief, but tables always have intreigued me within Pages.  When 
>> in the main body of my document, if I'm arrowing with the down arrow key 
>> line by line through the doc, when I hit a table, how does that work?  Do I 
>> then have to interact with the table in order to explore it?  Basically, I'm 
>> just asking, ultimately, when encounterring a table within a document, how 
>> then do I navigate it?
>> 
>> Feel free to write me off list about this, if you feel it would be more 
>> appropriate.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Chris.
>> - Original Message - From: "Marie Lyons" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:01 PM
>> Subject: Tables in pages
>> 
>> 
>> The verbosity is driving me nuts! I don’t really want to hear the 
>> coordinates, especially the way I’m using the table. I work with my guitar 
>> teacher and we put the lesson in a table, kind of like a tablature for those 
>> who play guitar.  It is also driving him nuts! He’s trying to tell me 
>> something and the speech is going on with, g4 empty cell, or insertion at 
>> end of text.  I already, called disability support and they didn’t know how 
>> to get v/o to stop giving all this information.  Do any of you have any 
>> suggestions? It isn’t in the headers, it’s in every cell!
>> 
>> Marie Lyons
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Apple ITunes Remote?

[Chris Gilland]

Quick question.

I have an Apple TV 4, which I bought to replace my Apple TV 3rd gen.

Right now, the 3rd gen isn’t even hooked up.  The remote was just sitting over 
here doing nothing, so I figured I’d try to see if I could find a way to pare 
it to my mac mini late 2012 system.

The really strange thing is that I got it pared perfectly, and it is working 
correctly in ITunes.  This said, when I go into ITunes under preferences, then 
I navigate to the devices tab, it says no remotes are pared.

Even the the Apple TV 3rd gen remote is an infrared remote, could it be that 
the remote is not really per sé an ITunes, quote unquote remote?  Is there a 
difference?

Chris.

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Re: Restoring a backup gone horribly wrong.

[Chris Gilland]

not that this is a contest or anything, but 800 apps? My! God! And I thought I 
had a lot.

dare I ask that you list all of them?

No… I don't think I will… LOL!

Chris.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Basioli George  wrote:
> 
> just so you know it does not put your apps back on the device. it sees 
> howmany you have backed up and their names and when your all backed up then 
> your device redownloads the apps to the device.  i have over 800 and it takes 
> several hours sometimes.
>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone on I O S ever experienced this?
>>  
>> I had an issue with my phone this morning.  I don't know what it thought 
>> it's problem was, but the short version of the story is, I had to restore 
>> the dad blamed thing to factory settings.
>>  
>> I had a backup which I'd made in ITunes.  I tried restoring from that 
>> backup, and what a disaster!  Out of all 70 something odd apps, I think only 
>> about 20 to 25 of them came down, none of my e-mail accounts were configured 
>> like before, none of my pared bluetooth devices were recognized, therefore 
>> making me have to repare all of them again, my Apple Watch thought it was 
>> still connected, even though the Watch app on my phone didn't see it, 
>> therefore making me also have to reset the watch to default settings in 
>> order to get back where I could reconnect the thing.
>>  
>> Also, on my home screen of the phone, only about 2 of the 6 or 7 folders I'd 
>> custom created came down correctly.
>>  
>> Believe me.  I've restored many times from various backups, and never have I 
>> had an issue like this.  Come to think of it, Voiceover didn't even come up 
>> after restoring.  I had to use the very little vision I have, put in my 4 
>> digit passcode, as my touch ID didn't work until I did so, and only then 
>> after putting in the code did Voiceover come up.  I couldn't even tripple 
>> click the home key.
>>  
>> I made absolutely 100% sure that this was the most recent backup, and that 
>> all the above things were included in the backup, which they definitely were.
>>  
>> So, I'm curious if anyone knows what may have happened, and why?
>>  
>> Chris, who is quite annoyed right about now.  Shrugs!
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Warning! Before installing Apple Watch Beta...

[Chris Gilland]

Guys,

I am the type person who doesn’t just dive straight into things without really 
doing my homework.  Especially not when it comes to screwing around with 
firmware/software updates, be it beta or not.

Even with public betas, I’m very very careful.

This morning, I was about to install the public beta of Watch OS2 on to my 
watch which I got last month.  Before doing so however, I decided to go online 
and read up more on how the downgrade process of the public beta works.  I 
figured, I really want to be sure before taking on this task, that I fully know 
what I’m getting myself into, and that if I don’t like things, that I fully 
understand the process to revert back, and downgrade to the official Watch 
OS2.1.

Granted, this article is slightly old, I will give that to ya, I still think 
it’s worth all of you watch users reading!  All that I will say is, boy am I 
glad I did my research before trying to do this.  I’ve not installed the beta 
to my watch, thank God, and frankly, after reading this, I’m not going to 
either!

http://bit.ly/1WeaVSx 

I shortened the above URL as it was ridiculously long before I did so.

God bless.

Chris.

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Re: I'll be incredibly terse, I promise! Sweetspots are not working.

[Chris Gilland]

John,

Thank you so much for your response. It is greatly appreciated.

It's good to know that I am not the only one having this problem. I mean… Let 
me rephrase… It is good, but it is not good. If you know what I mean. it's good 
in the sense that I know I'm not crazy. It is not good in the sense that Apple 
really needs to either remove this feature altogether, or they need to get it 
fixed. It seems like if I remember correctly, it didn't work in Mountain lion, 
but that's been quite a while back. it might have work in the lien. I don't 
honestly remember, in this feeble brain of mine right now is too tired to 
analyze things.

sorry for the typos. I'm using Siri right now.

Anyway… Take care, and again, thank you for the help.

Chris.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 22:05, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   I have found Sweet Spots to be quite inconsistent and I don’t recall them 
> working at all in Yosemite. I honestly haven’t tried them in El Capitan 
> because I thought Apple had gotten rid of them.
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> El Capitan 10.11.2.
>> 
>> 1.  Open Safari, and hit command+L.
>> 
>> 2.  Navigate to
>> 
>> http://www.learningalley.org
>> 
>> 3.  VO+right arrow to the login link.
>> 
>> 4.  Press vo+Command+shift+right bracket right bracket to set the sweetspot 
>> at that location.
>> 
>> 4.  Press command+L, then navigate to a different web site of your choice.
>> 
>> 5.  Press command+L to navigate back to the learning Alley web site.  Again:
>> 
>> http://www.learningalley.org
>> 
>> 6.  Notice that Voiceover doesn't automatically focus you on the login link, 
>> nor on any other link you might instead set up as the sweetspot.
>> 
>> Note:  Apple Accessibility tried over the phone working with me on this, and 
>> they reproduced the exact same behavior consistently, not just on the 
>> Learning Alley web site, but on others as well.
>> 
>> Is this a bug?  or is it that I'm not fully grasping the concept of 
>> Sweetspots.
>> 
>> For further reading, refver to the Voiceover user's guide, chapter 6.
>> 
>> Chris.
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The 

Strange problem with latest update

[Chris Gilland]

Guys,

This isn't really a big deal per sé, but it does have me a little bit curious.

I have a white polycarbon mid 2010 13 inch macbook, which has El Capitan.

For some reason, my mac got really really sluggish, and was practically locking 
up every second I'd turn my head.  I ran all the necessary disk and permission 
repairs etc.  Nothing at all seemed to be helping.  My suspicion is that I had 
an app installed which was really bogging down the system, although even 
looking through Activity Monitor, it was a little hard to determine.

For this reason and a few others, I went ahead and bit the bullet by simply 
just repartitioning the drive, wiping it, and starting clean.  The weird thing 
is, I noticed when I went to the mac app store to download El Capitan, so I 
could use Disk Maker X to create my bootable media, I noticed that 10.11.2 was 
available, although, I only had 10.11.1.  Weirdly enough, though I am not on 
any beta, private nor public at this given time, and though I'm not currently 
even enrolled with this mac for the beta in the first place, Software Update 
simply put, would not, try as I may, let me install nor download the 10.11.2 
update.  It kept telling me no updates were available.  I say it's not a big 
deal, as I simply just went the manual route, and manually downloaded it, but 
why would it be there in the app store, yet Software update not see it?  To me, 
that makes entirely no sense.  Yes, I have my security settings configured in 
System Prefs to notify of OS updates, and never have I had an issue like this 
previously.

It just has me a bit bathled.

Any ideas?  As for the post news of this message, LOL, I did manage to get 
10.11.2 installed from the manual download/install I performed.  I also have 
found that things no longer are sluggish at all.

Chris.

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Re: Latest iOS Update - Telling the time Bug

[Chris Gilland]

Actually, for what it's worth, I am finding that the bug seems to no longer 
exist on my end.  Believe me.  Having that feature back is very welcomed!

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I've given it quite a while, and it will sometimes not say anything. You 
> gotta love random bugs! I'm on a 6s Plus, if that matters.
>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:52, Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> 
>> I stand corrected, it does speak the time when you press the home button, 
>> though it's a bit more delayed than it used to be I think.
>> Original message:
>>> The bug is still there, so you have to press the home button and swipe 
>>> right or left to get the time.
 On Dec 8, 2015, at 5:06 PM, David Griffith > wrote:
>> 
 I wonder if anybody can tell me if the bug where the iPhone stopped 
 announcing the time from lock screen with a press of the Home button has 
 been fixed in the iOS update released today..
 I find this quite an important feature.  Often I will just feel into my 
 shirt pocket to press the home button  and hear the time whilst waiting on 
 Train platforms etc. .
 The reported loss of  this feature in the last iOS update prevented me 
 from upgrading. Apparently you had to swipe around the screen to hear the 
 time. This is awkward to do if your phone is stashed away in a pocket. I 
 will continue to resist upgrading if this feature has not been fixed.
>> 
 David Griffith
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Re: Strange problem with latest update

[Chris Gilland]

You wrote:

The important thing is you are up and running with 10.11.2.

Agree with ya there.  :)

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:57 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
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> The important thing is you are up and running with 10.11.2.

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Re: Strange problem with latest update

[Chris Gilland]

Let me clarify what I meant by "Manual update."  All I did was to search the 
mac app store manually from the toolbar for El Capitan, find it in the search 
results, and then manually click on install rather than letting Software Update 
find it for me.

Nevertheless, it's about 5 or 6 gigs, give or take.

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> how big is the manuall updater for the latest version of oSX?
> 
> On 12/9/2015 11:57 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>>   Like I said, it could have been a few different things or could have 
>> simply required waiting a bit to try to check for updates. The important 
>> thing is you are up and running with 10.11.2.
>> 
>> 
>> As for the manual download, you can get any software from the Apple.com 
>> website from the support page. Just do a search for the manual updater for 
>> El Capitan.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
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>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> I definitely only have one Apple ID, and it was already signed in.  that 
>>> said however, I did sign out and back in.  I don't recall if I rebooted or 
>>> not, though with my level of tech skill, it wouldn't surprise me if I did.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com>
>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 12:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Strange problem with latest update
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   I’m assuming you had already gotten up and running with 10.11.1 before 
>>> you tried the update? I probably would have signed out of the Mac App 
>>> store, rebooted the system and then signed back into the store just to see 
>>> what would occur. There are a couple of factors, but that would depend on 
>>> there own factors as well, such as Apple ID’s being used, ETC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
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>>> 
>>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Guys,
>>>> 
>>>> This isn't really a big deal per sé, but it does have me a little bit 
>>>> curious.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a white polycarbon mid 2010 13 inch macbook, which has El Capitan.
>>>> 
>>>> For some reason, my mac got really really sluggish, and was practically 
>>>> locking up every second I'd turn my head.  I ran all the necessary disk 
>>>> and permission repairs etc.  Nothing at all seemed to be helping.  My 
>>>> suspicion is that I had an app installed which was really bogging down the 
>>>> system, although even looking through Activity Monitor, it was a little 
>>>> hard to determine.
>>>> 
>>>> For this reason and a few others, I went ahead and bit the bullet by 
>>>> simply just repartitioning the drive, wiping it, and starting clean.  The 
>>>> weird thing is, I noticed when I went to the mac app store to download El 
>>>> Capitan, so I could use Disk Maker X to create my bootable media, I 
>>>> noticed that 10.11.2 was available, although, I only had 10.11.1.  Weirdly 
>>>> enough, though I am not on any beta, private nor public at this given 
>>>> time, and though I'm not currently even enrolled with this mac for the 
>>>> beta in the first place, Software Update simply put, would not, try as I 
>>>> may, let me install nor download the 10.11.2 update.  It kept telling me 
>>>> no updates were available.  I say it's not a big deal, as I simply just 
>>>> went th

Re: Strange problem with latest update

[Chris Gilland]

See my previous message.

If you need help, let me know.

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> how did you do the manual download of the OSX installer? how do you do this 
> Please give steps as to how to do this?
> 
> On 12/9/2015 11:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> John,
>> 
>> I definitely only have one Apple ID, and it was already signed in.  that 
>> said however, I did sign out and back in.  I don't recall if I rebooted or 
>> not, though with my level of tech skill, it wouldn't surprise me if I did.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 12:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Strange problem with latest update
>> 
>> 
>>   I’m assuming you had already gotten up and running with 10.11.1 before you 
>> tried the update? I probably would have signed out of the Mac App store, 
>> rebooted the system and then signed back into the store just to see what 
>> would occur. There are a couple of factors, but that would depend on there 
>> own factors as well, such as Apple ID’s being used, ETC.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> This isn't really a big deal per sé, but it does have me a little bit 
>>> curious.
>>> 
>>> I have a white polycarbon mid 2010 13 inch macbook, which has El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> For some reason, my mac got really really sluggish, and was practically 
>>> locking up every second I'd turn my head.  I ran all the necessary disk and 
>>> permission repairs etc.  Nothing at all seemed to be helping.  My suspicion 
>>> is that I had an app installed which was really bogging down the system, 
>>> although even looking through Activity Monitor, it was a little hard to 
>>> determine.
>>> 
>>> For this reason and a few others, I went ahead and bit the bullet by simply 
>>> just repartitioning the drive, wiping it, and starting clean.  The weird 
>>> thing is, I noticed when I went to the mac app store to download El 
>>> Capitan, so I could use Disk Maker X to create my bootable media, I noticed 
>>> that 10.11.2 was available, although, I only had 10.11.1.  Weirdly enough, 
>>> though I am not on any beta, private nor public at this given time, and 
>>> though I'm not currently even enrolled with this mac for the beta in the 
>>> first place, Software Update simply put, would not, try as I may, let me 
>>> install nor download the 10.11.2 update. It kept telling me no updates were 
>>> available.  I say it's not a big deal, as I simply just went the manual 
>>> route, and manually downloaded it, but why would it be there in the app 
>>> store, yet Software update not see it?  To me, that makes entirely no 
>>> sense.  Yes, I have my security settings configured in System Prefs to 
>>> notify of OS updates, and never have I had an issue like this previously.
>>> 
>>> It just has me a bit bathled.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?  As for the post news of this message, LOL, I did manage to get 
>>> 10.11.2 installed from the manual download/install I performed.  I also 
>>> have found that things no longer are sluggish at all.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
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Re: Odd itunes message.

[Chris Gilland]

I got that the other day, but that was when I still was on 10.11.1.

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m getting that message as ll upon launching iTunes sometimes. I just click 
> OK and all works as it should. Keep in mind I’m not syncing my phone or 
> anything, since I use iCloud for everything.
> They might be having some sort of backend glitch or something.
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I get the following message when i try to sync my iphone 6s with Itunes on 
>> the latest el Capitan.
>> iTunes cannot connect to Store Purchases. 
>> 
>> If you have any firewall software, make sure it has been set to allow 
>> communication on port 443. This message will be dismissed in 29 seconds.
>> Any ideas.
>> I have not changed anything to my firewall on my router.
>> I don’t have the firewall enabled on the mac so i can not say for sure whats 
>> going on.
>> It just came yesterday.
>> /A
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Re: Two really annoying issues with Siri and I O S 9.2.

[Chris Gilland]

For me, it's very very helpful having it tell me what song's playing.  Often, 
I'll have the phone connected via USB to my 5.1 surround system, and be across 
the room.  I love being able to activate Apple Music just simply with my voice 
using Hey Siri.  So, having it where I can say, "What is this song?" and it 
tell me without having to get out of my recliner, and go grab the thing, 
looking manually on the Now Playing screen is very nice!

I'm a developer, so I might report this with the bug tracker.

Don't worry guys.  I'm not breaking NDA, as this bug is occuring in the actual 
official non-beta build of I O S.

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Hey Chris. I can't comment on your first issue because I can't afford Apple 
> Music at the moment due to it being the Christmas season and the only free 
> aspect of the radio feature is Beats 1 since that entire radio feature is 
> still not in Canada as a free service. As for Siri not identifying a track 
> that's playing on the iPhone, I experience this as well. It's not a big deal 
> for me so I haven't bothered sending a feedback form about it. But perhaps 
> Apple should be informed about this.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm finding that I am unable to activate Siri any longer, and say something 
>> like, Play X artist name, fill in the blank, radio.  Every time I do, rather 
>> than it building a station, it's automatically starting Beats 1, which I 
>> cannot stand, by the way.
>>  
>> The other thing I am seeing is, when a song is playing, it used to be that 
>> as long as I kept the song playing while Siri was invoked, I could say, What 
>> is this Song, and it would tell me what was playing.  Now, regardless if it 
>> is paused or not, it tells me it's listenning, as if it wants me! to play 
>> it! the song to identify.  Used to be, that only happened if the music 
>> wasn't playing on the phone to start with.
>>  
>> Has anyone noticed these things.  This definitely is gonna make my Apple 
>> Music experience ever, ever so slightly less enjoyable.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
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Re: Strange problem with latest update

[Chris Gilland]

John,

I recall it being actually over 5, but, that's neither here nor there.

BTW, will you please e-mail me off list?  I have a few questions for you, but 
I've not learned yet on the mac ow to extract someone's e-mail address from a 
list message.

My question wouldn't be suitable for this list though.

My address is:

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 11:05 AM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>Yes, it has all of the installation assets. It’s a very large file, so 
> keep that in mind. It weighs in over 4 GB if I am not mistaken.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
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>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>> 
>> the updater, for the OSX version i am looking for this will allow to do a 
>> full instll of the latest version of osx as well? or is it just going to be 
>> the updater for to update to that version?
>> 
>> On 12/9/2015 11:57 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>  Like I said, it could have been a few different things or could have 
>>> simply required waiting a bit to try to check for updates. The important 
>>> thing is you are up and running with 10.11.2.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>As for the manual download, you can get any software from the Apple.com 
>>> website from the support page. Just do a search for the manual updater for 
>>> El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> 
>>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> John,
>>>> 
>>>> I definitely only have one Apple ID, and it was already signed in.  that 
>>>> said however, I did sign out and back in.  I don't recall if I rebooted or 
>>>> not, though with my level of tech skill, it wouldn't surprise me if I did.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 12:25 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Strange problem with latest update
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  I’m assuming you had already gotten up and running with 10.11.1 before 
>>>> you tried the update? I probably would have signed out of the Mac App 
>>>> store, rebooted the system and then signed back into the store just to see 
>>>> what would occur. There are a couple of factors, but that would depend on 
>>>> there own factors as well, such as Apple ID’s being used, ETC.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This isn't really a big deal per sé, but it does have me a little bit 
>>>>> curious.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a white polycarbon mid 2010 13 inch macbook, which has El Capitan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some reason, my mac got really really sluggish, and was practically 
>>>>> locking up every second I'd turn my head.  I ran all the necessary disk 
>>>>> and permission repairs etc.  Nothing at all seemed to be helping.  My 
>>>>> 

Att. E.T:

[Chris Gilland]

Did you ever get your issue solved with muting/unuting voiceover with the 
keyboard?  Do you still need a hand with that?  I'd be happy to help you out, 
if so.  Just wanted to follow up, as I never heard back from you on nor off 
list.

Chris.

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Re: Official Apple Specs

[Chris Gilland]

I'm not sure if they have one.  I can try to look it up for you.

Have you tried looking on Crutial's web site for it?

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> what is the number for Crucial ?
> 
> On 12/9/2015 4:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> Bill,
>>   After much trial and error, I finally succeeded in getting the 16gigs to 
>> be recognized.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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>> On 12/8/2015 1:49 PM, Bill Dengler wrote:
>>> Is this a 16GB RAM kit with 2 8GB sticks?
>>> Or are you mixing OEM and aftermarket RAM?
>>> I (for a short time) had a 2010 MacBook Pro that I was going to provision 
>>> for the person that got the 2012 machine, and it refused to boot with 16GB, 
>>> but worked with one OEM stick and one aftermarket one.
>>> 2012 accepted both without issue.
>>> Be sure the RAM you bought is listed compatible with the machine.
>>> Crucial has a compatibility checker, you can call their support number and 
>>> they can verify compatibility.
>>> 
>>> Bill
 On Dec 8, 2015, at 3:53 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Hi Bill,
   Far as I can tell, I have the correct ram for the Mac. Crucial had me 
 install one module at a time in the upper slot. Both work individually. 
 Install both and the Mac will not boot.
 
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> I’ve upgraded a 13-inch MacBOok Pro 2012 from 4GB to 16GB of RAM.
> I’ve also installed a 128GB SSD in that system.
> Make sure you are using mac RAM, be sure the DYMM order is correct (can’t 
> remember it, I upgraded that system around this time last year), and be 
> sure the RAM speeds match official specifications.
> 
> Bill
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:10 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>   I have a Macbook Pro mid 2012. Apple shows this model as having 4gigs 
>> of memory and upgradeable to 8.
>> 
>>   Yet Crucial shows this same model as unofficially supporting 16gigs.
>> 
>>   Have any of you with this model been able to upgrade to 16gigs?
>> 
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Re: iOS 9.2 Updates to accessibility

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ICloud bug?  What bug is this?

I will say this.  I'm really really happy about them finally fixing that bug of 
it not reading the time on the lock screen.  I didn't exactly think I missed it 
all that badly, but once the feature came back, and I noticed it was working 
correctly again, I forgot just how useful it was.  It's definitely very 
welcomed.

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I’m glad the Call forwarding bug was fixed.  I hope the iCloud bug has been 
> fixed.
>> On 9 Dec 2015, at 18:54, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> I saw that yesterday. Does anyone have a guess as to what "Adding support 
>> for VoiceOver to wake up the screen" means?
>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 13:39, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is what Apple says was fixed:
>>> 
>>> •  Accessibility improvements
>>>◦Fixing issues with VoiceOver when using Camera face detection
>>>◦Adding support for VoiceOver to wake up the screen
>>>◦Adding support for VoiceOver to invoke app switcher with 3D 
>>> Touch gesture
>>>◦Fixing an issue with Guided Access when trying to end phone 
>>> calls
>>>◦Improved functionality for Switch Control users when using 3D 
>>> Touch
>>>◦Fixing an issue with speech rate of Speak Screen
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Re: iOS 9.2 Updates to accessibility

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I wonder how Voiceover wakes up the screen, and activates the app chooser?

Chris.

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Re: Apple music conspiracy.

[Chris Gilland]

Target has USB turntables?  Ooo!  Cool!  I love vintage stuff like that!  Plus, 
I have a few records I'd love to convert to mp3.  Wonder how much these are 
going for, generally speaking?  Do you have to get them in a store, or can you 
get them online, or both?

I'd go look at their web site, but is it all that screen reader friendly?  I 
know back in the days, it damn well wasn't.  I think the NFB got that solved 
though, didn't they?

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 1:31 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was surprised to find Target carries about 50 different record players. 
> What's up with that? You can get a USB record player for about $80 which 
> comes in its own suitcase. Time to get all that vinyl into iTunes before it 
> wears away.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 12/9/15 3:10 PM, Vaughn Brown wrote:
>> Scott,
>> 
>> Reading your note caused me to chuckle. I am in my late twenties and
>> still have a vinyl player, tape player, and CD player, all attached to
>> an old amp. When I picked up my new laptop I was shocked to find no CD
>> drive in it.
>> 
>> To say the least I have not made the full leap yet.
>> 
>> I am interested in reading more about Tidal.
>> 
>> Vaughn
>> 
>> On 12/8/15, 'onlineeagle' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> StentHi, Spotify Premium, which is the same price as Apple Music, streams at
>>> 320 KBPS MP3. Tidal strams in Lossless Flac format. They don't have all the
>>> music Spotify has, but it's still a pretty good amount. I am using both
>>> Tidal and Spotify. Tidal pays twice as much money per track than to artists
>>> than Spoify and probably Apple Music.  from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 8 Dec 2015, at 22:11, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 Vaughn, I’m with you I find this an interesting topic and to relate it to
 the list I’m interested in how Apple really changed this game
 dramatically.  It hit me the other day I don’t own a CD player any more.
 My laptops don’t have the drive, I don’t have one in my audio system, my
 car doesn’t have one and to really stress the point I don’t think my
 family owns a CD player.  (forget turntable or other media)  Everything I
 have now is centered around Apple or Google, streaming boxes and really
 more of an on demand model than whole album model like you said.  You
 really make some interesting points.  It’s a total shift.  I don’t even
 have the big wooden furniture to hold the media and all the playback
 equipment.  Everything now is thin panels, glass and metal shelving and
 tiny with the benefit of being wireless.  Wow.
 
 I wonder if it’s less money for musicians but more fairly distributed or
 just less money for the big names.  I would have to think with the cost of
 entry being so low now a lot more musicians as you said could get their
 name and product out there.  No need for a label.  Hell you could probably
 start to make a decent living with a good regional act.  I’d be interested
 in what other musicians think as well between the old and new model and
 which they prefer.  I’m also really interested in how Apple has changed
 the game by allowing the Artist to publish directly.
 
 
 
> On Dec 8, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I am interested in hearing what other's see as I am a musician, too.
> Thank you for your insight. I heard what I mentioned on a music
> program through NPR. However, it is also true that one person's expert
> opinion is just one and there are a variety of them out there.
> I think the bigger picture is that musicians make less money when it
> comes to the singles or selling of whole albums. It is also fair to
> say that musicians have more opportunities to market themselves
> because if the digital era of social media and music applications.
> Where one may lack the other may improve.
> Vaughn
> 
>> On 12/8/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Vaughn, I’m not sure this is true.  While it’s probably true that the
>> artist
>> makes less they also get to keep more of the take per sale than they
>> would
>> have with a label.  Remember, Apple for example if memory servers gives
>> you
>> 70 cents on the dollar where you might only get 10 or 20 with a regular
>> record deal.
>>Another thing I know first hand is artists are making more money in
>> the
>> performance space now than ever.  My family has a business that supports
>> all
>> the shows for the casinos and venus in the North East and there’s more
>> work
>> than ever.  Casinos especially up here have large venus now and have
>> big
>> name shows come through.  The money being made performing is huge.
>> 
>> If you’re unsure, ask Adele who moved 2.5 

Re: Strange problem with latest update

[Chris Gilland]

As I said, I went to the app store, searched for El Capitan, then in the search 
results, I clicked on El Capitan, then install.

Chris.

> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> how did you get the full installer?
> 
> 
> On 12/9/2015 12:12 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
>> Let me clarify what I meant by "Manual update."  All I did was to search the 
>> mac app store manually from the toolbar for El Capitan, find it in the 
>> search results, and then manually click on install rather than letting 
>> Software Update find it for me.
>> 
>> Nevertheless, it's about 5 or 6 gigs, give or take.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> how big is the manuall updater for the latest version of oSX?
>>> 
>>> On 12/9/2015 11:57 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>>   Like I said, it could have been a few different things or could have 
>>>> simply required waiting a bit to try to check for updates. The important 
>>>> thing is you are up and running with 10.11.2.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As for the manual download, you can get any software from the 
>>>> Apple.com website from the support page. Just do a search for the manual 
>>>> updater for El Capitan.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> 
>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>> Director
>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>> 
>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>>> 
>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>> 
>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> John,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I definitely only have one Apple ID, and it was already signed in.  that 
>>>>> said however, I did sign out and back in.  I don't recall if I rebooted 
>>>>> or not, though with my level of tech skill, it wouldn't surprise me if I 
>>>>> did.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 12:25 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Strange problem with latest update
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>   I’m assuming you had already gotten up and running with 10.11.1 before 
>>>>> you tried the update? I probably would have signed out of the Mac App 
>>>>> store, rebooted the system and then signed back into the store just to 
>>>>> see what would occur. There are a couple of factors, but that would 
>>>>> depend on there own factors as well, such as Apple ID’s being used, ETC.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take Care
>>>>> 
>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>> Director
>>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>>>> 
>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>>> 
>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This isn't really a big deal per sé, but it does have me a little bit 
>>>>>> curious.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a white polycarbon mid 2010 13 inch macbook, which has El Capitan.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For some reason, my mac got really really sluggish, and was practically 
>>>>>> locking up every second I'd turn my head.  I ran all the necessary disk 
>>>>>> and permission repairs etc.  Nothing at all seemed to be helping.  My 
>>>>>> suspicion is 

Re: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Chris Gilland]

Junior,

Can you write me off list please?  I have a quick question for you, and I lost 
your e-mail address.  I’ve not learned yet on the mac how to go about getting 
it from an e-mail message to the list.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.
> On Nov 21, 2015, at 4:44 AM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD <eagle...@fairpoint.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Chris, I have been using El Capitan 10.11.1 since it came out.
> I haven't had any problems at all.
> I guess I got lucky.
> 
> 
> Junior Lolley kg4itd
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 4:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?
> 
> OK, I have a question.
> 
> I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
> Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.
> 
> Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually worth 
> the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and the 
> only laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.  I am 
> running 10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official 
> release.  Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my 
> initial disaster, surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about 
> taking only my IPhone with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I 
> figured however I’d give it a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of 
> research this last week.
> 
> We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
> coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which 
> attractions, and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, 
> granted, it was the Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is 
> pretty darn easy to navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and 
> I didn’t have even slightly any of the issues people have reported on this 
> list.  At least, if I did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even 
> notice it in the least.
> 
> Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
> well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant 
> me having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, 
> OK, granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.
> 
> So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
> say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of 
> a drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really 
> seeing any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility that 
> others still are.
> 
> So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
> settled down, as far as stability goes.
> 
> I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, it 
> seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have 
> been fixed.
> 
> Chris.
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Re: should it be taking this long?

[Chris Gilland]

Most likely, yes.

We’ll have to plan it by ear, but I see no reason why I’d not be.

Chris.

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 2:25 AM, joseph hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay sounds good, we've be available Monday?
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
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>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 10:01 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, I’ll be traveling a majority of tomorrow back home, as I’m 
>> finnishing my vacation.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 10:41 PM, joseph hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, if you would like to join me on Monday I will be able to make the 
>>> call to Canada if you're interested in joining in on a three-way call. 
>>> Contact me throughout the weekend do you my details below seems how I have 
>>> things going on this weekend.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com <mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com>
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
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>>> Skype
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>>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:32 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’d like to say a few things, now that I am catching up on this thread.
>>>> 
>>>> Firstly,
>>>> 
>>>> I am so sorry, Zoey, that you are feeling this way!  This should 
>>>> absolutely *never!* be the way anyone should have to feel who is learning 
>>>> a new piece of technology.  I don’t care if it is an I O S device, a 
>>>> Windows machine, a mac, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> I unfortunately do not have calling to Canada from either a lan line, or a 
>>>> cell phone, however, I’ll tell you what.  Even if you have to talk to me 
>>>> this way through the Windows side of things instead of the mac, I’d be 
>>>> absolutely thrilled to talk to you over Skype, or Facetime, if that would 
>>>> help.
>>>> 
>>>> I promise that you will get this.
>>>> 
>>>> Let me just encourage you by saying this:  though I am a very very 
>>>> advanced, and very quick learner, the mac did take me some time, after 
>>>> only using Windows to get used to.  It wasn’t so much I didn’t understand 
>>>> it, nor that I didn’t know how to do certain things with the mac.  I just 
>>>> found it a bit awkward.
>>>> 
>>>> The biggest thing for me was, I was patient, and didn’t allow myself to 
>>>> get overwhelmed.  When I started to feel frustrated, I put the mac aside, 
>>>> and just took a break.
>>>> 
>>>> Please don’t be so hard on yourself.  And please don’t beat yourself up!  
>>>> We all have different learning levels, strategies, and processes for 
>>>> learning certain things.  For example, I do better when someone actually 
>>>> takes my hand and guides me step by step.  Once shown, I generally can 
>>>> figure things out once I know the basics.  On the other hand, others may 
>>>> find this method very frightening.
>>>> 
>>>> You have to find a balance of what works best for you with your given 
>>>> circumstances.  And, not a single person should tell you you’re asking too 
>>>> many questions.  I’m sorry, but anyone doing that is a neurotic jerk!
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, I hope this at least gives you some encouragement/motivation.  
>>>> Don’t ever feel that there is a stupid question.  The only stupid question 
>>>> is the one you fail to ask.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:32 PM, joseph hudson <jhud

So, what is the beaf about El Capitan?

[Chris Gilland]

OK, I have a question.

I’m interested to know if people are still having tons of issues with El 
Capitan, and are deciding to not upgrade past Yosemite as of yet.

Honestly, I think that the time has come finally when 10.11 is actually worth 
the upgrade.  I’ve been travelling for the past week, as of today, and the only 
laptop I’ve had with me is my late 2012 13 inch macbook pro.  I am running 
10.11.1 on it.  Not even the public beta.  This is the official release.  Maybe 
I’ve just gotten lucky this time, which considerring my initial disaster, 
surprises me intensely, but I was a little leery about taking only my IPhone 
with I O S 9.1, and my macbook with El Capitan.  I figured however I’d give it 
a shot.  Honestly, I’ve had to do quite a bit of research this last week.

We’ve been in Orlando at Disneyworld, and so, it was my job to be the group 
coordinator for my family to figure out what theme parks had which attractions, 
and were they accessible with audio description etc.  OK, granted, it was the 
Disney web site I was looking on, which in itself is pretty darn easy to 
navigate in general, but the point is, I used Safari, and I didn’t have even 
slightly any of the issues people have reported on this list.  At least, if I 
did, they were so mild in nature that I didn’t even notice it in the least.

Also, I had to e-mail back and forth with my aunt who was looking up info as 
well with her IPad.  We both sent info back and forth, which obviously meant me 
having to get really familiar with 10.11.1 and using the Mail app.  Again, OK, 
granted, I’m using classic view, but it worked flawlessly.

So, I don’t get it.  I know people are gonna be people.  People are going to 
say things suck, when in all actuality, they may just want to throw a bit of a 
drama for the world to see, but let’s be realistic.  I! am not really seeing 
any major issues at all, but there is definitely that possibility that others 
still are.

So, I’m curious how many of you all agree that things have finally kind a 
settled down, as far as stability goes.

I’ll admit, 10.11 was kind of gross, but once the 10.11.1update came out, it 
seems that pretty much, maybe not everything, but most 90% of things have been 
fixed.

Chris.

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Re: Option t for opening text edit

[Chris Gilland]

First off, option+T shouldn’t open Text Edit, unless you’ve gone in and changed 
that shortcut.  Normally by default, option+T, provided, obviously, that 
keyboard commander is enabled, should announce the time of day.

Chris.

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Brandon A. Olivares (The Pianist) 
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> Turn off keyboard commander. Voiceover shift K.
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>> is there a way to tell my  Mac that I do not want option T to open text 
>> edit, option S to open safari, and so on? Thanks.
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Re: should it be taking this long?

[Chris Gilland]

I think it really just depends on how much data you are actually backing up.  I 
have a friend who backed up about 300GB of data to Time Machine, and from what 
I vaguely remember her saying, it took somewhere around 5 hours.

Chris.

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 5:54 PM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Go to where you clicked backup and see if v o tells you it is dimmed
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: should it be taking this long?
>  
> All most 3 hours ago I clicked menu extras, time machine, back up now.  I 
> have an external drive connected should it be taking this long?  How can I 
> know the progress or time left for the back up to finish?
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Re: should it be taking this long?

[Chris Gilland]

Oh, you probably have paragon ntfs installed, and I’ll bet you anything that 
your drive is partitioned as ntfs instead of mac journaled extended.  That 
would explain it, if so.

Chris.

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Zoe Fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks chris but unfortunately the back up failed because even though c gate 
> gives me the option for mac and pc it tells me something about paragon, sorry 
> I don’t remember exactly and it says its not compatible, and then it tells me 
> if I want to make the disk mac only but I cannot do that because it wants to 
> erase all my files.
> I have my music, files, documents, etc.  I view and use these files with 
> windows and I cannot get rid of them.  So now I’m stuck again.  Since I can’t 
> use the 64 gb stick I have and the 2 tb c gate drive is not compatible, I 
> cannot back up the mac, therefore I cannot upgrade to el capitan either.  So 
> I spent 3 days killing my brain trying to figure out things on the mac and 
> now it looks like it was all for nothing.
> Thanks
> Zoe
>  
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: should it be taking this long?
>  
> I think it really just depends on how much data you are actually backing up.  
> I have a friend who backed up about 300GB of data to Time Machine, and from 
> what I vaguely remember her saying, it took somewhere around 5 hours.
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 5:54 PM, george b <gbma...@gmail.com 
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>>  
>> Go to where you clicked backup and see if v o tells you it is dimmed
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Zoe Fiogkos
>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 13:48
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: should it be taking this long?
>>  
>> All most 3 hours ago I clicked menu extras, time machine, back up now.  I 
>> have an external drive connected should it be taking this long?  How can I 
>> know the progress or time left for the back up to finish?
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Re: back up failed

[Chris Gilland]

That can be done in Disk Utility, but yeah, if you have a lot of data on the 
drive, then you’d definitely not want to go that avenue… especially not if you 
plan to use the drive both on Windows, and also on the mac.  Sounds like at 
this point, you’re unfortunately kind of in a catch 22 situation.

Chris.

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:12 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
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> First of all I don’t know how to do that.  Second of all I have a lot of 
> files on there that I use on my windows pc.  That’s why I tried to install 
> the drive on the mac and when it said option for mac and pc I said yes but 
> unfortunately it says something like about paragon and that it’s not 
> compatable.  So now I’m stuck again.  Don’t know what to do.
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> ] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas 
> Herrera
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> Subject: Re: back up failed
>  
> format the disk to os mac extended
>> Il giorno 20 nov 2015, alle ore 11:42 PM, Zoe Fiogkos > > ha scritto:
>>  
>> I saw a message that said something to the effect of back up failed because 
>> the back up disk
>> Is ntot a mac osx extended journal format which is required.  I like the 
>> fact that I clicked when installing the drive mac install dmg and it asked 
>> me if I want to use this drive for pc and mac. It told me that the drive was 
>> installed successfully so now what do I do how do I proceed?  There must be 
>> someone who can help me.  
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Re: back up failed

[Chris Gilland]

Zoey,

I wouldn’t ask you to pay right now for training.  Eventually, being this is my 
job, I’m not going to lie to you, I probably would have to start charging, but 
I’d be absolutely more than happy to at least give you a few lessons for free.  
It’s not something I normally do, admittedly, but given your situation, I’d be 
willing to make a one time exception.

Chris.

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Zoe Fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much for your patients Sabahattin
> Sitting hear in tears I really appreciate your patients.  Because I can't 
> afford paid lessons right now I guess I'm giving up and going back to windows 
> since obviously I've tired out some people.
> I just wanted to say from the bottom of my heart I won't forget your kindness 
> and name.
> Sincerely
> zoe
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: November-20-15 9:12 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Re: back up failed
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> 
> No.  The USB key really is too slow for a backup device, although it might 
> work for that.  I’m suggesting simply that you ensure that the files you 
> value most dearly are somewhere other than either that Mac or that External 
> hard drive.  That’s all.  Once you’re sure your data is safe, then you may go 
> ahead with wiping, backup, upgrade, and so on.
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Re: should it be taking this long?

[Chris Gilland]

Actually, I’ll be traveling a majority of tomorrow back home, as I’m finnishing 
my vacation.

Chris.

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 10:41 PM, joseph hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris, if you would like to join me on Monday I will be able to make the call 
> to Canada if you're interested in joining in on a three-way call. Contact me 
> throughout the weekend do you my details below seems how I have things going 
> on this weekend.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
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> Telephone
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>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:32 PM, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’d like to say a few things, now that I am catching up on this thread.
>> 
>> Firstly,
>> 
>> I am so sorry, Zoey, that you are feeling this way!  This should absolutely 
>> *never!* be the way anyone should have to feel who is learning a new piece 
>> of technology.  I don’t care if it is an I O S device, a Windows machine, a 
>> mac, etc.
>> 
>> I unfortunately do not have calling to Canada from either a lan line, or a 
>> cell phone, however, I’ll tell you what.  Even if you have to talk to me 
>> this way through the Windows side of things instead of the mac, I’d be 
>> absolutely thrilled to talk to you over Skype, or Facetime, if that would 
>> help.
>> 
>> I promise that you will get this.
>> 
>> Let me just encourage you by saying this:  though I am a very very advanced, 
>> and very quick learner, the mac did take me some time, after only using 
>> Windows to get used to.  It wasn’t so much I didn’t understand it, nor that 
>> I didn’t know how to do certain things with the mac.  I just found it a bit 
>> awkward.
>> 
>> The biggest thing for me was, I was patient, and didn’t allow myself to get 
>> overwhelmed.  When I started to feel frustrated, I put the mac aside, and 
>> just took a break.
>> 
>> Please don’t be so hard on yourself.  And please don’t beat yourself up!  We 
>> all have different learning levels, strategies, and processes for learning 
>> certain things.  For example, I do better when someone actually takes my 
>> hand and guides me step by step.  Once shown, I generally can figure things 
>> out once I know the basics.  On the other hand, others may find this method 
>> very frightening.
>> 
>> You have to find a balance of what works best for you with your given 
>> circumstances.  And, not a single person should tell you you’re asking too 
>> many questions.  I’m sorry, but anyone doing that is a neurotic jerk!
>> 
>> Anyway, I hope this at least gives you some encouragement/motivation.  Don’t 
>> ever feel that there is a stupid question.  The only stupid question is the 
>> one you fail to ask.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:32 PM, joseph hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Absolutely, I'm available Monday and Tuesday of next week and then I'm 
>>> traveling Wednesday and Thursday and then backing on Friday. And if you 
>>> just need to talk right now, to keep yourself from crying email me off list 
>>> with the good number or FaceTime details, and we can definitely talk right 
>>> now.
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>>> Email
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>>> Telephone
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>>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 8:30 PM, Zoe Fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com 
>>>> <mailto:fiog...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Right now I can’t stop crying and I wouldn’t be any good in making 
>>>> progress, but if your offer stands on Monday I would greatly appreciate it.
>>>> Please forgive me but I was about to give up and stay with windows, but if 
>>>> t

Re: should it be taking this long?

[Chris Gilland]

ilto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Vaughn Brown
>>> Sent: November-20-15 8:55 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: should it be taking this long?
>>> 
>>> Do you have a friend who can help you who is local? Sounds like you
>>> need a lot of training. I know this feeling for I experienced it when
>>> I first got my Mac four years ago... I think having someone in person
>>> train you would be less stressful for you.
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> On 11/20/15, Zoe Fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com <mailto:fiog...@rogers.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That sounds correct to me even though I have no idea about these things.
>>> What’s your opinion on all of this?  Have you been following my threads?
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
>>> Sent: November-20-15 7:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: should it be taking this long?
>>> 
>>> Oh, you probably have paragon ntfs installed, and I’ll bet you anything that
>>> your drive is partitioned as ntfs instead of mac journaled extended.  That
>>> would explain it, if so.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Zoe Fiogkos <fiog...@rogers.com 
>>> <mailto:fiog...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks chris but unfortunately the back up failed because even though c gate
>>> gives me the option for mac and pc it tells me something about paragon,
>>> sorry I don’t remember exactly and it says its not compatible, and then it
>>> tells me if I want to make the disk mac only but I cannot do that because it
>>> wants to erase all my files.
>>> I have my music, files, documents, etc.  I view and use these files with
>>> windows and I cannot get rid of them.  So now I’m stuck again.  Since I
>>> can’t use the 64 gb stick I have and the 2 tb c gate drive is not
>>> compatible, I cannot back up the mac, therefore I cannot upgrade to el
>>> capitan either.  So I spent 3 days killing my brain trying to figure out
>>> things on the mac and now it looks like it was all for nothing.
>>> Thanks
>>> Zoe
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland
>>> Sent: November-20-15 6:56 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: should it be taking this long?
>>> 
>>> I think it really just depends on how much data you are actually backing up.
>>> I have a friend who backed up about 300GB of data to Time Machine, and from
>>> what I vaguely remember her saying, it took somewhere around 5 hours.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 5:54 PM, george b <gbma...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Go to where you clicked backup and see if v o tells you it is dimmed
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Zoe Fiogkos
>>> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 13:48
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: should it be taking this long?
>>> 
>>> All most 3 hours ago I clicked menu extras, time machine, back up now.  I
>>> have an external drive connected should it be taking this long?  How can I
>>> know the progress or time left for the back up to finish?
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Re: yosemity and the find command.

[Chris Gilland]

I can confirm that in both Yosemite, and in El Capitan both, the find command, 
VO+F works flawlessly.  I’m totally unsure why it wouldn’t be.

Chris.

> On Oct 28, 2015, at 6:59 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. Works fine for me but I am using El Capitan.
> 
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:02 AM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> When using the latest version of yosemity latest version of safari, i am 
> having trouble using the find command.
> on any pages i visit that i try doing control option f and finding a word on 
> the page i am on after i press enter nothing moves me to the desired text i 
> searched for.
> No matter if i shut off voiceover and turn it back on or even go out of 
> safari and go back in nothing corrects this for me, and no i do not have 
> quick nav enabled either can anyone help me figure this out?
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Re: What's the word with the update for El Capitan and VO

[Chris Gilland]

You mention about them having other accessibility things than just Voiceover to 
deal with.  I’m curious if anyone on this list happens to therefore use Zoom 
either on OSX, or on I O S.  If so, I don’t have quite enough sight to use it 
on either, but I’m wondering in general how well it works, and how stable it is 
in El Capitan?  Which oh, my! I just noticed something.  In the latest version 
that just came out, 10.11.1, Alex finally says Capitan correctly.  Not really a 
major thing to be excited about, but still, it is one thing fixed.

That’s awesome!

Chris.

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 10:45 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> I agree, Mary, hence why they have their own team of accessibility engineers, 
> that *have* to work on 4 different operating systems, and work on not just 
> Voiceover. It makes me sick how many people think VoiceOver is the only 
> accessibility feature Apple has to work on at all times, so they expect 
> features to be 100% bug free upon release. Apple will get to the issues when 
> they get to them, so people just need to be patient, or report them every so 
> often to get them bumped up in the priority list, or don’t let the door hit 
> ya where the good lord split ya.
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>> I'm not sure what you meant by higher ups. But I wouldn't expect the top 
>> management at a company like Apple to have much of a clue about details 
>> regarding accessibility. The real issue is quality control and whether or 
>> not the people implementing excess ability have a clue. If Tim Cook doesn't 
>> really understand all that much about how voiceover or assistive touch 
>> works, that really is good. He doesn't need to know that kind of thing.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:13 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the heads up will be staying put on Yosemite for good now. 
>>> Captain and my experience was just awful real big step backwards as far as 
>>> accessibility. And I am not surprised as I met with someone from Apple 
>>> yesterday and was stunned to hear that none of the higher ups have a real 
>>> understanding of accessibility and with the lack of stability in Capitan 
>>> and VO I am not surprised.
 On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  
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 My opinion is that unless you have a specific reason to move to El 
 Capitan, staying put will give you the better experience.  At this stage 
 I’d say the El Capitan experience is merely tolerable, but not great.  
 Responsiveness is a definite plus, and I have come to endure iBooks for 
 sheer lack of choice and find that I’m glad not to have to remove it every 
 time I update.  But other than that, it’s a bit meh, really.
 
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Editing text in Safari with El Capitan: I think I found the solution.

[Chris Gilland]

OK guys, before I start writing this, let me throw in two disclamers.  NO, I 
take that back.  Let me throw in three! disclaimers.

1.  I am running the most up to date build of OSX 10.11.1, not just 10.11.  
Further, I’m not on any type of beta.  This is the official build.

2.  I have updated Safari to the newest version which came out just the other 
day along with 10.11.1.

And finally, 3.  This works for me, but realize that there is a possibility 
based on user configuration that this won’t work for everyone, so don’t jump 
down my throat if my description doesn’t work for you.

OK, business out of the way, here is what I just posted on my Facebook wall, 
word per word.  This is an exact paste which I typed up regarding this 
situation.

OK guys, so I'm trying to edit things in this text field with El Capitan on my 
mac in combination with Voiceover.  A lot of people have been complaining that 
it's impossible to do with Safari.  I'm finding that it actually is working for 
me.  OK, it's a little bit weird how it's doing it, and I think Apple needs to 
look into that, as it's a bit nonintuitive, but hey! at least it's now doable.  
Basically, as soon as you start moving your insertion point, it seems to then 
automatically interact you with the text area.  Actually, this is kind of neet, 
as I can then not only move word by word with option+left and right arrows, but 
I also can move word by word with VO+left and right arrow, given that I indeed 
*am* interacting with the text area.  I'll bet that if I used vo+up and down 
arrows, which I practically hardly ever do in the first place, why, I don't 
know, but that's neither here nor there, but anyway, I bet if I did so, I even 
could move line by line through the text.  Now, as for how that would work with 
Voiceover reading what the cursor passes over?  I have no idea.  I can't stand 
Voiceover working that way.  I've gone into the VO Utility and have changed 
that out under the Navigation category to where Voiceover reads what is under 
the cursor rather than what it passes.  I'd suspect that doing it the other way 
would probably be reliable, but right now, I don't have a very good way of 
testing this out.  It's definitely a very different way of working online with 
text fields, but it seems to me that this is what's going on, for those who may 
be a little bit confused.  I think it will take some time to get used to, yes, 
no doubt, as anything new will, but I think if you can learn to get used to it, 
then I could see this potentially as actually being kind of cool.  Thoughts?

Chris.

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Re: Cereproc And El Capitan, Very Disappointing

[Chris Gilland]

I'm not purposely trying to be rude, but what makes you think that they 
would not give you a refund?


Thanks.

Chris.




On October 22, 2015 5:35:47 PM Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Hi all. Well I'm not a really happy camper. This will probably solidify the 
points that Sabahattin stated about these voices a few months ago, but 
anyway, I'm in contact with a guy from Cereproc named Graham Leary. Since 
El Capitan is no longer in beta, I was able to tell him my issues that I've 
been having with these voices and asked if there was an update to them. He 
said that there was, and since I purchased an upgrade and support for a 
voice for a year, I was able to update one of them, Nathan. Anyway I 
updated Nathan thinking that the issue would be fixed. Sadly though, it 
wasn't, and the voice is still unusable with Voiceover. He'll say his name 
when I select him in the speech rotor but that's it. I kinda feel like a 
chump now because I wasted 17 pounds 99 which translates into $35 Canadian 
thinking that the issue would be fixed. So I told Graham to either fix the 
issues or give me my money back. I hope they'll at least fix the issue 
because I highly doubt they'll give me a refund. So as Sabahattin stated, 
stick to either the Apple voices, Nuance or Acapela, and from my personal 
experience, don't buy from a TTS company that makes you buy upgrades to 
every voice.


Shawn
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Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

[Chris Gilland]

David,

Have you considered possibly using the search feature within mail being 
that first letter navigation doesn't  work?


 WinMail is open, press command option F,  as in find.  would this be a 
viable option for you?


Chris.

 .


On October 22, 2015 5:47:16 PM David Griffith  wrote:

Generally I use the standard view all the time and frankly I get a bit lost 
 in Classic view.
Although I am totally blind I love the ability to use the preview pane in 
standard view and am one of the people who routinely use VO J to quickly 
read emails.
 The major annoyance in standard view is the inability to use first letter 
 navigation to jump to messages sorted by name from in the inbox. Un less 
 somebody can enlighten  me it is only possible to use first letter 
 navigation to jump to a message in Classic View. Consequentially if I need 
 to do this I change the sort order, change to classic view to find the 
 email I need by first letter navigation and then  switch  back to standard 
 view..


David Griffith

On 22 Oct 2015, at 22:37, M. Taylor  wrote:

I have long since suspected that Apple will, eventually, discontinue the 
classic view in Mail.  This is just my opinion, of course.


The funny thing is, whenever I see non-voiceOver users, including those in 
the Apple store, using Mac Mail, they are not using the classic view.  I 
realize that the number of people I interact with is less than miniscule 
but it is an indication of something, I dare say.


The truth is, again in my opinion, when used correctly, the standard view 
is unbeatable.  Again, just my opinion.


Mark

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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:40 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: From Yosemite to El Capitan and Back: One New User's Story

Perhaps I should stop using the classic view too, then.  I’d resent it, but 
the only way of avoiding the horrible, terrible slowdowns in Mail presently 
seems to be not to use that view.


Deliberate sabotage so Apple can obsolete that view and further solidify 
the iOSification of the Mac? :)


Must try MailMate again soon, to see where we stand with that.  I’d sure 
love an alternative to Mail.


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Uh, guys? We've got a problem with KNFB Reader for I O S.

[Chris Gilland]

Guys, we have a problem.

I just opened up the KNFB Reader app on my IPhone 6S, and went to scan a 
document.  The scan was fine, considering the content I was scanning, 
however the female voice that reads the material was obviously on Ambian or 
something, as she was so darn slow that it wasn't funny!  Put your Iphone 
to about 10% speaking rate... there you pretty much have it.


How in the world do I adjust this?

Chris.


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Attention Phil Halton: Here is the link to the Alarmed App

[Chris Gilland]

This isn’t Yocto clock, but it’s the other app mentioned called Alarmed.

My driver’s here so I gotta go, but here’s the link.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/alarmed-reminders-+-timers/id371886784?mt=8

I hope this helps.  Let me know how it works for ya.

Chris.

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I finally did it again. I have successfully upgraded.

[Chris Gilland]

hallelujah!

I finally got my white polly carbon macbook updated to El Capitan.

I must say. This time with way more smoothly than before. I'm wondering if that 
clean install of Yosemite helped matters. I basically updated from there, 
without doing another fresh install. Mind you however, I hardly had anything 
installed on the system as of yet. So, it is very possible, that I may have had 
some apps installed before, which did not work with The update. That might be 
part of the reason why things completely locked up on me before. That still 
doesn't totally explain why my hard drive was being so stupid before though.

oh well, things are working great now it seems, and that is the important thing.

Just wanted to fill you guys in, and give you that update.

Thanks.

Chris.



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unlocking my mac with my iPhone

[Chris Gilland]

can somebody please remind me of the name of the app that I need to get both on 
my  mac as well as on my iPhone to be able to unlock my mac from using my 
iPhone?

I know that applevis has a podcast that explains how this is done, but I just 
do not remember the name of the app to save my life.

It's one of these things I never thought that I would use, but the more and 
more I think about it, the more useful it sounds like it might be.

Thanks.

Chris.



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Re: app store

[Chris Gilland]

The only problem that I really see in El Capitan with regards to the App Store 
is often times, when using the Alex voice, which is primarily what I use, 
voiceover gets incredibly sluggish. Sometimes to the point where it will not 
speak at all when trying to navigate around the screen. The only way that I 
have found to get around this is to command plus tab away from the window, and 
then command plus tap back 

sometimes, if I Bring up the window chooser list, I can then force voiceover to 
gain focus properly, and start speaking. that's becoming more rare though. 
Normally, I have to rely on the first of these two methods whenever this 
happens. It doesn't happen all the time, but I would say about 35 to 40% of the 
time. it's not really so much that it's a big deal, but it is indeed downright 
annoying.

Chris.



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> On Oct 1, 2015, at 21:54, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is definitely a bug with 10.11. I noticed it during the beta cycle, and 
> it’s still occurring in the final shipping version.
> I believe it has something with how VO sees the page, because I have the same 
> issues in the iTunes store as well.
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, I'm not sure if this would be a bugt or not.  With the very little 
>> vision that I have, I can tell you that Voiceover is reporting correctly. 
>> Often times, I am finding that the page literally isn't loading, so even if 
>> you weren't using Voiceover, this still would be an issue.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sadam Ahmed" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: app store
>> 
>> 
>> This appears to be a bug.
>> 
>> Restarting  VO seems to alleviate this somewhat.
>> 
>> Yours  truly,
>> 
>> Sadam Ahmed
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Oct 2015, at 10:08 AM, Faisal ali  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I’ve noticed that after updating to 10.10.11, my app store doesn’t load as 
>>> it should. What I mean by that is when I try bringing up the app store, it 
>>> opens with an empty window. I quit the app and reload it with the same 
>>> results. Has anyone else noticed this? I should add that this behaviour is 
>>> not always consistent.
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Re: When Updating.

[Chris Gilland]

thank you for the verification!

I was quite sure that this would probably wind up being the case. this is one 
reason why I always tell people: back up back up back up! I cannot stress that 
enough! Back up!

i'm not sure what types of changes would have been made within your disk 
partition. Anyway, as I said… Definitely a good thing to know.

Thanks.

Chris.



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> On Sep 30, 2015, at 08:27, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> When upgrading from Leopard to Yosemite, I did have to erase the disk because 
> of some  changes in the disk partitions. There was no warning from the 
> installation until it was too late. ZI had to boot from recovery partition 
> and then restore from time machine. I suggest you get Take Control of 
> Upgrading to El Captain if this is your first Macintosh. Joe covers all the 
> issues. j 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Again, I state, you're on Snow Leopard, so, I'm not sure how the update 
>> process will go, jumping from somethign that old.  Backup, backup, and did I 
>> mention, backup.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Brian Moore" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: When Updating.
>> 
>> 
>>> no, while it is always good to do a backup, if upgrading a machine, it 
>>> should not require you to reinstall all your programs.
>>> Brian.
>>> 
>>> Contact me on skype: brian.moore
>>> follow me on twitter:
>>> http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
>>> 
 On 30/09/2015 3:10 AM, Singing Sparrow wrote:
 Since 10.11 is released today, I have a question about updating.
 When updating will this earase all the programs a person has installed?
 Will a person have to reinstall all their programs?
 Or will your installed programs be untouched when updating the OSX version?
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Taking home memories to a new level

[Chris Gilland]

guys, I have a couple of questions, and hope that you all can help me out a 
little bit here.

I would not say that I am the newest in general at doing this sort of thing, 
however, I am very new to doing this on the Apple side of things. So therefore, 
please forgive me for these questions.

I am really starting to get into taking more family photos, as well as family 
home videos with my iOS devices. I actually just set up a family album, and 
even invited people to it. I am now sharing it with a few people. I thought 
that that ability was absolutely awesome! The first thing that I am curious 
about is regarding iCloud photo Sharing/streaming. yes, I do own an iPhone 6 
Plus 128 gigs, so capacity is definitely by far and away not an issue. I have 
also upgraded my iCloud storage to 200 gigs of storage. before you look at me 
and say, Chris, my Lord! That is way! Overkill, not really. I do a lot of 
things with iCloud drive. trust me when I say, that extra storage is rather 
nice to have.

my first question is, if I delete photos or videos that I have taken off of my 
iPhone, can I do so, yet keep them in my iCloud photo library? in other words, 
let's say that I did not want to take up extra capacity on my phone with photos 
I have taken. Can I simply delete them off of my iPhone, yet keep them in my 
iCloud? if this is possible, can one of you please outline the steps that would 
be necessary to make this happen?

my second question is in regards to maiming photos. on iOS, yes, you can have 
it automatically tag a geographic location to your photo/video, and can even 
have it timestamp the video, or photo. this is great and all, except for one 
major problem. before actually opening the photo to see it in the Full view of 
the screen, I do not have enough vision to see the pictures in their little 
thumbnail view. once I physically open them up by double tapping on them, I'm 
fine. Then I can see them with no problem, but otherwise they're too small. my 
point is, how do I know what photo is which without opening the photo first. 
All I get is a timestamp, and possibly if I'm lucky, a geographic location. I 
do not know of a way to rename a photo to actually have a descriptive name. For 
example, I cannot make it say Chris sitting in a chair. I hear that it is 
possible to add names to photos with Google photos, and that the iOS app is 
quite accessible with voiceover. I wonder if it would be more beneficial for me 
to use that instead of the built in features within iOS. What do you all think?

my next few questions are regarding certain applications. What is the main 
advantage of using iPhoto, over just simply using the photos app both on iOS, 
as well as on OS X? I have very briefly looked at the iPhoto app on OS X, and 
it looks fairly doable. I haven't completely figured it out, but I think it 
does have at least some potential. Can you all maybe give me some pointers to 
help me get started?

as I said, I will probably also be shooting some home videos going down the 
road in the future. Would it be beneficial therefore for me to install a copy 
of iMovie on all of my iOS devices, as well as on my mac? 

finally, I am extremely interested in burning my home videos on to DVD. Is this 
something that I could do on my mac accessibly with the use of iDVD? I know 
that iDVD will do this in general, but I'm not sure to what extent this program 
has of accessibility. if you won't know what something else it would be better, 
and is freeware, I would be very open to hear what you have to suggest.
I think that that should do it for now. Let me know the answers to these 
questions, and if I think of anymore, I will let you guys know.

thanks.

Chris.

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I forgot a bluetooth command.

[Chris Gilland]

I seem to be drawing a mental blank.

How do you go about bringing down the notification Center and iOS with a 
Bluetooth keyboard?

also, is there a way that one can bring up the control center.

actually, come to think of it, here are two more that I've forgotten? Is there 
a way to do the equivalent of a three finger flick up in a three finger flick 
down to scroll the screen?

thank you very much for any help. It is greatly appreciated!

Chris.

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IPhone or IPad as a trackpad?

[Chris Gilland]

folks, this may seem like an incredibly stupid question, but I can't resist 
asking. is there a way, without jailbreaking, and again I say… With, out, jail, 
breaking… That I can use my iPhone, or iPad when plugged into my Mac computer 
via USB as a trackpad?

I do not have much room on my desk, and the one iPhone is about the size of a 
mouse, I think it would be much easier if I could simply use my iPhone, and 
just plug it in whenever it is needed.

again, I totally get that this is probably a very stupid question, but again, I 
can't resist asking.

Thanks.

:)

Chris.

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Re: my apolopies

[Chris Gilland]

and what's in it for the very rude comments you made to me on list?  Tired of 
my p***y ways, etc?  You think that was very friendly?

I'm sorry.  Others may accept your apology, and though I do foregive you, I 
definitely do not trust you any longer.  Basically, as far as you and I are 
concerned, the friendship is dammaged forever, and really I don't want an 
apology.

Please Phil, just leave me alone.  I'll give you credit that people do make 
mistakes and are not perfect, but there's something you're forgetting to own up 
to.  Not only did you stir things up on list by your mistake in posting what 
you said, but you made it even worse by then, not only doing that, but then 
saying the hurtful things you did.  Then CJ on top of that?  I'm sorry, but 
his/her, sorry, nhot sure which... my apologies,... has put me over the top!  
CJ has been forever blocked, and frankly, I'll be contacting Google abuse to 
report harassment if CJ Daniels writes me personally again.

This ultimately isn't how this list should run, and frankly, I'll end on one 
note and then move on.  Had I been Raul, which I'm not, but had I been, being 
he's the moderator, let me tell you something, Buster!  you make a comment on 
list like that attacking another member for just one simple curious question?  
Believe me.  Your happy butt would have been banned forever more faster than 
you could say lickity split, so in that since, you're lucky I'm not a mod and 
have no control over that, as if I did, you'd be gone!

Let's just get back on track.  I don't think anyone wants to hear anymore of 
this  sh**.

Chris.

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Re: regarding a list member

[Chris Gilland]

Agreed, and if you don't like someone asking a truely honest to God curious 
question, then get outta their face and leave 'em the heck alone!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Sandi Jazmin Kruse sandi1...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: regarding a list member


hi,
is nvda related too the mac? well i would guess so if you run it under
vmware? that being said.
How about simply just talking nicely too each other, it is not hard,
and you dont use so much negative energy on whimpering and whining.
An nvda situation under mac could be as following:
1: you need your scanner too run under windows and you want that too
happen on your mac, after that gorgeously install you obviously need
some sortta speech. That could very well be nvda, right? so directly
related too the mac, obviously no, but i still would say related yes.
talk nice, and if you dont wanna see emails from a person, simply just
delete it.
have a nice day all
sandi


On 6/30/13, Mauricio Almeida mauriciopmalme...@gmail.com wrote:

I personally think that CJ is right here.
I rarely post here, but quite frankly i have seen minimally speaking
tem times the following scenario: bounders are stepped, apology comes
once in a while - sometimes ina drama novel format - and the cycle
repeats itself. anyone who looks up list archives will see the cycle.
how you interpret it is up to you, but dont deny it.

Mauricio
On 6/29/13, shane christenson ksha...@att.net wrote:

I don't normally get in on discussions like this, but, I'm not sure where
someone gets the idea that he is needing medication. I personally have
found
him to be a wealth of information with his knowledge of the apple
products
discussed on this list.

Shane'

On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:19 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello to anyone reading this crud,

Time after time, I see Chris being a complete idiot on this list.  His
subject lines always reflect a border-line hysteria, when dealing with
momentary, hiccup, problems with his Mac /or OSX  its various
applications.  Words like, strange, weird, bizarre, maddening, crazy, 
other off-the-top descriptions reflect a manic personality, that seems
unstable @ the very least.

And now, based on an inquiry--that seems legit to me for those using
Boot
Camp or VM Fusion--he is using distasteful language in a completely
off-the-chart rant/response to the originator of the NVDA post.  Without
a
medical history, I suppose it would be inappropriate to suggest that
Chris
up his anti depressant dosage.  But, seriously, @ what point does the
moderator on this list step in  say enough!

I guess I could take Chris's own recommendation  filter him out of my
mail box.  In fact, I have considered this in the past, when seeing his
posts.  I must confess, I generally skip over them, as a matter of
course,
anyway.  However, this last rant is just unacceptable.  Chris states
himself, that he's not acting professionally in this matter  he's sure
got that right.  While, as he states in his message that he doesn't have
to act that way in this environment, he could @ least act with courtesy.

Anyway, I sincerely hope that the moderator will read this  consider
action regarding Chris.  It's not the first time  it won't be the last.
Chris is the one bad apple that sours the whole barrel.

Sincerely,

CJ
On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Chris Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com
wrote:


Sir?  That is no? problem!

I will forget about you, and will set up a mail filter from now on to
block every bit your incoming mail, whether directed at me or not.
Frankly, you're being very hasty and extremely disrespectful.  But,
Mister Congeniality whom I've delt with on and off various lists
numerous
times before, may I add the mods taking my side every single time, your
perfect because you're god, and you know everything.  Oh yeah, I forgot
oh wize one! No one else ever! is right, everyone but you is wrong!
God
damn straight I took what you said personally in your last reply.  Why
shouldn't I when you were down right rude.

All that I initially did was asked one question about how the hell what
you said was related to the mac.  I wasn't jumping down your throat,
and
though you clame you meant well in your first e-mail back to me, it
proves you as a
despicable liar!  If you weren't offended at what I said, you wouldn't
haveritten the things you did.  You don't have to like me, but God
fucking dammit, I do! deserve dignity and respect, and if anyone on
this
list wants to say I'm not a Christian quote unquote, and chuck Reichel,
don't you even think! about writing me telling me to God up!  People on
this list're gonna learn, in a professional environment, I'd not speak
as
I am, but this is non CLG Productions related, thus professionalism
goes
out the window when you treat me this way.  Frankly, to anyone
moderator
or not, who feels me saying what I am is in the wrong, let me remind
you
of something:  This list

Re: Talking Dashboard Update: v1.1 Beta

[Chris Gilland]

Thanks.

Really appreciate your efforts.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 7:58 AM
Subject: Talking Dashboard Update: v1.1 Beta


Hi all,
The reminders script was the big hold-up for this release, but I got it 
working. It is called say overdue reminders.scpt and works on my machine, 
but please test it thoroughly as it is, um, a bit fragile. You must have 
overdue reminders (that is, reminders with a due date set where that due 
date is in the past). Once I know this works, I can expand to speaking other 
reminders, like those due today.


Other changes include fixes for the markdown in the readme file, a fix for 
that ram bug that affected systems with 16gb or more of ram, renaming the 
battery script to match the rest of the scripts (re-assign it if you 
assigned it already), and a couple more things you can find in the 
changelog.


To install the scripts, just erase your old Talking Dashboard folder and 
replace it with this one (any commander assignments you made should not 
break as long as you put this folder in the exact location as the old one). 
You will see a download notifier script, but don't get excited - it does not 
work yet. Here's the link to the zip file:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17005121/talking%20dashboard.zip


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehg...@gmail.com



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A Look at ProTools Partt 7 is finally available!

[Chris Gilland]

I am so sorry it's taken this long for me to get part 7 completed.  The last
week has been a bit hectic, and it wasn't until this morning that I finally
got around to recording this.

Anyway, let's continue, shall we?  Here's the link.

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/j0zwf5

Chris.

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