Re: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product

['christopher hallsworth' via MacVisionaries]

All,
Try listening to the third generation Echo Dot. The sound quality is as good as 
the Homepod in my opinion. Not as bassy, but far better than the previous 
generation.
Just my £0.02 worth.


> On 20 Nov 2018, at 16:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> To each their own. I would never call the sound from any echo device awesome. 
> But if it works for you, great.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 8:39 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if you really don't care that the HomePod is a one trick pony and that 
>> it can only play Apple Music, then go ahead and buy it. I just purchased an 
>> Echo Dot 3 and the sound quality is awesome. Plus I heard that if you buy 
>> two of them, you can get the same stereo quality sound you'd get with the 
>> HomePod.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>>> On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:16 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a HomePod in my home office, and really like it.  Good luck with 
>>> your decision!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:04 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Generally speaking, I am a big fan of try before you buy when it comes to 
 speakers. However, the days of really nice set ups where you could do that 
 in the store dedicated to stereo listening are gone, at least here in this 
 town. You can go to the store and listen to speakers amidst all the din. 
 But it doesn’t tell you very much. And I am really leaning towards the 
 HomePods. If it turns out I don’t like them, I can always take them back 
 to Best Buy.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 20, 2018, at 5:37 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Mary,
> 
> If you consider this option, you may wish to know that Sonnos tracks a 
> lot of personal information, including your IP address.  I've had Sonos 
> speakers for years and really liked them, but we have stopped using them 
> since they implemented this practice.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>>  
>> Have you thought about trying the sonos products which now use alexa  
>> for voice recognition
>>  
>> I find the sonos devices excellent for both useage and sound quality.
>>  
>> Mind you we don’t have the home pods here in NZ so I can’t compare.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> On Behalf Of Matthew Horspool
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2018 1:58 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Homepod, was Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern 
>> Apple product
>>  
>> Hi Mary,
>> I have a Homepod. I will probably get another. But my impressions of it 
>> are basically the same as all the reviews you'll find if you Google it:
>> Homepod hardware is absolutely second to none. Sound is fantastic, the 
>> microphones can hear me speaking at normal volume from miles away. Siri 
>> accuracy is near 100% in terms of it correctly hearing what I want it to 
>> do.
>> Homepod software is steadily improving, but still not as capable as, 
>> say, Google Assistant. There are still many times where Siri knows what 
>> I want her to do, but can't actually do it. Saying that, Google doesn't 
>> hear me as well as Siri does, so in terms of time wasted, I'd say 
>> they're almost equal!
>> Phone calls, messages, calendars, reminders work well now, but only for 
>> one user, which will be a significant shortcoming in a family 
>> environment I'm sure.
>> Hope this helps a little bit,
>> Matthew
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: 18 November 2018 01:26
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
>> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>> Subject: Not sure if this is off-topic it does concern Apple product
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> This coming Black Friday, there’s going to be a serious discount on the 
>> HomePod speaker from Apple at Best Buy. I am thinking about getting a 
>> pair of those in an effort for overall down sizing. I have currently a 
>> nice stereo set up, but it’s rather old, although the speakers are still 
>> wonderful. I’m just curious what peoples impressions are of the HomePod, 
>> especially as a stereo pair in a moderate sized living room, as well as 
>> how it works otherwise. Siri, phone calls, etc. 
>> Mary
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: VoiceOver activation on iPhone XS

['christopher hallsworth' via MacVisionaries]

I have a 6s, but from what I have heard you simply triple press the side button 
which replaces some of the functions of the home button on iPhone 10 and later.

> On 20 Sep 2018, at 13:13, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’m expecting an iPhone XS in early October. My current phone is an iPhone 5S.
>  
> What’s the procedure for activating VoiceOver on the iPhone XS after powering 
> it on for the first time?
>  
> I searched the Web but couldn’t find a clear answer.
> I expect it will be similar to the iPhone X.
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Re: iPhone Text Message SPAM Alert

[christopher hallsworth]

Just so this doesn't look like a one liner, good general advice there, 
definitely. 

> On 2 Jul 2018, at 09:46, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
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> general advice, if you get a message from someone you dont know , and
> it has a link, do not open it .
> 
>> On 7/1/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
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>> A list member, Christopher, received a bogus iPhone text message
>> attempting
>> to acquire his personal credentials.
>> 
>> He requested that I forward his experience along to the list by sharing his
>> words which you will find below my signature.
>> 
>> A special thanks to Christopher for bringing this to our attention.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Original Message:
>> 
>> Good morning.
>> 
>> Have you received a text message from ``reminder` informing you your iPhone
>> ID is due to expire today, with instructions on what to do. If so, don't,
>> and I mean don't, do it. It is a scam, and the link will be suspicious
>> looking. Again, don't do it, and instead delete. Since it is not an
>> iMessage, you cannot report this directly to Apple.
>> 
>> Thank you for reading. And yes, please share this post if you feel you need
>> to. This is a genuine post, as I've had this very text message. Again,
>> thank
>> you for reading.
>> 
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Re: I want a mac!

[christopher hallsworth]

Absolutely no issues here. I want an upgraded mac, as macOs Mojave will not be 
compatible with my late 2011 Macbook Pro. All macs made or on after 2012, will 
be compatible with macOs Mojave. Like others, I will have to wait, and after 
all WWDC is about software, not hardware usually.

> On 13 Jun 2018, at 09:37, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Is waiting going to cause any issues if you do it for a couple of months more?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2018 10:48 AM
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> Subject: I want a mac!
>  
> Aarg!
> Finally have the pennies saved to replace my 2010 macbook pro, and we get 
> nothing at WWDC! 
> So disapppointing.
> Trying to decide if I should buy or wait.
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Re: Laptops: When did things change?

[christopher hallsworth]

I still have the chime on my late 2011 Macbook Pro. It's all about the 
hardware, somewhat. Newer macs don't emit a chime, older ones do.

> On 13 Jun 2018, at 08:15, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Chime on boot was taken away with sierra 10.12.x,
> 
> And the touch bar was added in the late 2016 mac book pros I believe.
> 
> But not all MBP have to have the touch bar.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2018 5:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Laptops: When did things change?
> 
> Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys and 
> replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what models 
> were the last to have physical keys?
> 
> Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?
> 
> I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone recalls 
> any of these details, I'd be most grateful.
> 
> Janina
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Re: Turning off sppeech on the mac, and using something like zoomtext

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello Terry.

Try a three finger double tap on the trackpad, the same gesture used to turn 
off speech on iOS. Note, Trackpad Commander must be enabled for this to work. 
As for screen magnification, all macs come with one built in, Zoom. Since I am 
exclusively a VoiceOver user, I cannot help you in how to use it.



> On 25 Apr 2018, at 00:07, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I apologize for the odd subject line. I wasn't sure quite how to ask 
> these questions.
> 
> 
> Anyway, I need to turn off the speech on my Mac laptop.
> 
> Could someone please tell me how to do this?
> 
> 
> Also, is there a program such as zoomtext, or something similar, that 
> will make the laptop user-friendly for someone who has limited vision?
> 
> 
> Any help is much appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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Re: Playing audio media on my Macbook

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi Andy let's start with the basics, in the Finder you should see any external 
media by default, thumb drives included. Unlike Windows, macOS automatically 
mounts these external disks and places them in the Finder. Once you have 
located this, press command-o to open the volume. Note I will not use CMD at 
this stage for simplicity's sake.

> On 12 Apr 2018, at 10:48, 'andy' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all.
>  
> In brief, I'm a very determined and apparently reluctant learning of the 
> Apple operating system.
>  
> I've been using windows since Dos 3.1 and like many people, I am afraid of 
> this new system.
>  
> I Purchased a 27 Imac and a Macbook pro about 2 years ago and have hardly 
> moved in my learning.
>  
> Despite buying a great book, titled, Janet Ingber - Everything You Need to 
> Know to Use the Mac , I cannot get the motivation to "Use the mac"!
>  
> My fingers tremble at my Macbook and I'm so afraid of doing something wrong, 
> I'm paralysed.
>  
> So I'm thinking that I should try something really simple.
>  
> I'm addicted by the way to talking books, so lets look at that  as a method 
> to break the ice.
>  
> I've placed the above book on a thumb drive but every time I plug it into my 
> Macbook, absolutely nothing happens, so I cannot access this media.
>  
> On a Windows computer I'm asked "What do you want your computer to do?".
>  
> So if anyone can tell me how to access a thumb drive and be able to go 
> through some of the easy chapters of this book then listen to them, it may be 
> enough to finally break my spirit and get me started, hahaha.
>  
> Sorry guys for the long message but I'm sure you have all heard it before.
>  
> Very best wishes.
>  
> Andy.
> From Scotland with Love.
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Re: What time is the educational program on

[christopher hallsworth]

Sorry to reply to my own message, but for the curious, I currently own an iPad 
Mini 2 128 GB wi-fi only, so this will be a major upgrade for me, and the first 
one of that as well.



> On 28 Mar 2018, at 04:57, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
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> 
> 
>> hi all,
> 
> I kept an eye on Twitter throughout most or all of the event, and, as a 
> consumer, the new iPad is something I will be acquiring in a matter of weeks. 
> The internal upgrade is nice; it is as fast as the iPhone 7/7+ or the iPad 
> Pro, and since I don't need the "pro" features the budget friendly iPad is 
> for me. Here in the UK the price has been reduced as well, starting from 
> £319.00 for the 32 GB wi-fi only model, the one I will be acquiring. Last 
> year's model was £339.00, a £20.00 reduction. I'm just glad I held off, since 
> this was a birthday present from yours truly, but instead acquired something 
> not related to iOS *smile*.
> 
> 
>> 28 Mar 2018, at 03:22, Maria Reyes <the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's been on the podcast feed since 1 pm eastern. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Raymond Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> It’s not going to be streamed live.  It will be offered as a video later 
>>> but I don’t know how much later.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 6:54 AM, Scott Berry <sb356...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Hello there,
>>>> 
>>>> What time is the Apple educational program supposed to be on today?  Is it 
>>>> the normal 10:00 A.M> Mountain time?
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Re: What time is the educational program on

[christopher hallsworth]

> hi all,

I kept an eye on Twitter throughout most or all of the event, and, as a 
consumer, the new iPad is something I will be acquiring in a matter of weeks. 
The internal upgrade is nice; it is as fast as the iPhone 7/7+ or the iPad Pro, 
and since I don't need the "pro" features the budget friendly iPad is for me. 
Here in the UK the price has been reduced as well, starting from £319.00 for 
the 32 GB wi-fi only model, the one I will be acquiring. Last year's model was 
£339.00, a £20.00 reduction. I'm just glad I held off, since this was a 
birthday present from yours truly, but instead acquired something not related 
to iOS *smile*.


> 28 Mar 2018, at 03:22, Maria Reyes  wrote:
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> It's been on the podcast feed since 1 pm eastern. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s not going to be streamed live.  It will be offered as a video later but 
>> I don’t know how much later.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 6:54 AM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello there,
>>> 
>>> What time is the Apple educational program supposed to be on today?  Is it 
>>> the normal 10:00 A.M> Mountain time?
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Re: Does

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi,

The Youtube website with Safari should be sufficient enough. Fully accessible 
with VoiceOver, including the video player controls.



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> Does any kone know of a good mac you tub client for the mac?
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Re: Choosing my First MacBook, Air or Pro, and With or Without Touch Bar?

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Hi,

In my opinion, since I've had my first ever mac, the Macbook Pro, since 2012, 
yes that long *smile*, that I have managed without the touch bar and will stick 
to that unless a future mac inforces me to learn that, which does not bother me 
in the slightestt. Personally, my next mac will be the cheaper Macbook Air, but 
a lot of that boils down to financial constraints, which of course will be 
different to everybody. Not only will the Macbook Air be more affordable; I 
don't need all that horsepower offered in a Macbook Pro if all I'm going to do 
is somewhat similar to what I currently do on the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch and 
even this mac: send and receive emails, browsing the web, using iTunes, nothing 
complicated and processor intensive at all. I have seen rumours floating about 
suggesting a more affordable Macbook Air some time this year so it will be 
interesting how that works out.



> On 3 Mar 2018, at 17:49, Rhanda Hasley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
>  
> I’m a long-time PC user with JAWS, but am now on the verge of buying my first 
> Mac.  For several years, I’ve also been an iPhone  user so am familiar with 
> VoiceOver, even though I realize the Mac is different and involves a learning 
> curve.  However, I love learning new skills so that doesn’t bother me.  In 
> fact, I’ve been studying various materials including Janet Ingbergt’s books, 
> and have looked at different Mac models.  I definitely want a portable 
> Macbook, as opposed to the Imacs, but am wanting various perspectives on 
> whether to get the Pro or the Air, as well as with or without touch bars. I’m 
> leaning toward getting a Pro, but know of many people like the Air and are 
> just as productive with it.  I’ve also read that getting one without the 
> touch bar would be less expensive.  In your opinion, is the touch bar 
> necessary or advantageous?  Or would I do just fine without it?  Whichever 
> way I go with this, I’m trying to get the most for my money and want   a 
> computer that will last me for as long as possible.
>  
> Thanks much in advance for your perspectives.
>  
> Rhanda
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Re: Getting HomePod to See iCloud Account After Rebooting Phone

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Hi Mark,
Thanks for letting us know of this. I have enabled personal requests for now, 
but I only turn off my iPhone when I go to bed. I will therefore bear this in 
mind, but it is unlikely I will use the personal requests feature frequently. 
Again, thanks for letting us know.

> On 16 Feb 2018, at 19:07, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> For various reasons, I reboot my iPhone throughout the day, when at home.
> After doing this, I find that HomePod cannot access the Personal Request
> feature saying that the HomePod needs to be on the same WiFi network at my
> iPhone.  
> 
> The only solution that consistently works to resolve this is to tell Siri,
> on my iPhone, is to turn off, then turn on Wifi.  This takes less than
> 2-seconds.  
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this?
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Thoughts on my new Homepod

[christopher hallsworth]

Good evening to the list.
Here are my thoughts on the new Homepod I received today after ordering it 
directly from the Apple online store yesterday.
I just cannot get over the sound quality. It's amazing! It actually sounds 
bigger than what the Homepod really is, a small, cylindrical but heavyweight 
speaker, weighing in at 2.5 KG (5.5 pounds). For a music speaker, the features 
are great. From what I have seen of Siri, it has done what I asked it too. But 
the feature I absolutely love is the ability to remotely control media playback 
from not only the iOS device that was used to set up Homepod, but also other 
iOS devices connected to the same wi-fi network as the Homepod,and even iTunes 
on your Mac and I assume PC, providing all devices are running the latest 
update, 11.2.5 or later on iOS, iTunes 12.7.3 or later for Mac and again I 
assume PC. I also tried Airplay, and that works like a charm. For me who wanted 
it as more of a music speaker rather than something equivalent of an Amazon 
Echo, it was worth every penny. Before I sign off, setup was a breeze on my 
iPhone 6s running iOS 11.2.5.
I would say if you are on the fence, do it! i don't think you will regret it.

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New list

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Good evening to the list.
I have been given permission from Mark to announce a new list I have set up in 
dedication of the Homepod. To subscribe, please send an email to
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Any questions, please email me at
challswor...@icloud.com
and I will be more than happy to answer them.
Thank you, and I hope to see you there.

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Re: Apple's $349 HomePod speaker is now available to preorder - The Verge

[christopher hallsworth]

Thanks for sharing this. I'm personally excited for this, which doesn't seem to 
be the case for everyone at this moment in time, understandably because of 
rivalries like the Echo or Sonos One. While I have an Echo dot, I am really 
looking forward to the somewhat major upgrade to my set up. I might be unique 
also because I'm a massive Apple Music fan compared to the likes of Amazon 
Music Unlimited and Spotify which are good options but Apple Music is something 
I'm more willing to commit to than the others. It is however cool to be able to 
talk to Siri in your home right from Homepod without digging out your iOS 
device just to talk to Siri. Just my £0.02 worth, and sorry if I appear to be 
waffling on a bit.

> On 26 Jan 2018, at 15:27, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Apple's $349 HomePod speaker is now available to preorder
> Stereo pairing and multiroom audio won't arrive until later, though
> By Thuy Ong, Jan 26, 2018, 8:38am EST
> 
> Apple's $349 HomePod smart speaker is now available to preorder through the
> Apple Store app, with shipping slated to start on February 9th. Despite the
> delay in the speaker's launch, the HomePod will ship without features like
> AirPlay 2, which allows pairing and multiroom audio. Apple says those
> features are "coming this year in a free software update." HomePod is
> powered by Apple's A8 chip (that first appeared in the iPhone 6) and
> features built-in Siri, six microphones, HomeKit support to control your
> compatible smart home devices, and the ability to automatically optimize
> sound for a given room.
> We briefly played with the speaker last year. My colleague Dieter called it
> "a cute little ovoid thing" that "sounds really good in the demos" with
> "more bass than you expect from such a small speaker." But we'll need to
> spend some real time with it before we can say it's worth $349.
> Apple's smart speaker offering is the most expensive of its rivals at this
> size. The much larger and more powerful Google Home Max costs $399, while
> the standard Google Home is $129, and Amazon Echo is $99.99. HomePod is also
> rivaled by the Sonos One smart speaker. To ruffle Apple's feathers, Sonos is
> offering two Sonos One speakers for $349, the price of a single HomePod.
> Sonos One supports Amazon Alexa integration, and it's promising Google
> Assistant integration sometime later this year.
> The HomePod is available for preorder now in the US, UK, and Australia in
> black or white. The smart speaker will be available in France and Germany
> this spring.
> 
> Original Article at:
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Re: Homepod

[christopher hallsworth]

Lol! I am a UK resident, so it's morning here, sorry for any disambiguation.

> On 24 Jan 2018, at 08:21, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
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> Hi Chris,
> 
> Two things here,
> 
> Firstly good evening not good morning,
> 
> This email arrived at 7pm Wednesday night for  me.
> 
> Secondly 
> Thanks for this and hmmm, why did you have to tell me, I just purchased two 
> more sonos play 1's 
> 
> Although this home pod isn't coming to NZ, just to our ugly neighbours in 
> austrailia 
> 
> 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
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> Subject: Homepod
> 
> Good morning to the list.
> I would like to bring to your attention big news on Homepod which was 
> announced by Apple yesterday. If you go to their web page on Homepod, you 
> will now see when you can pre-order the smart speaker, Friday 26 January, and 
> when it will become available, Friday 9 February. This is for US, UK and 
> Australia for now, with more countries coming soon, beginning with France and 
> Germany in the Spring.
> Happy shopping and enjoy Homepod!
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Homepod

[christopher hallsworth]

Good morning to the list.
I would like to bring to your attention big news on Homepod which was announced 
by Apple yesterday. If you go to their web page on Homepod, you will now see 
when you can pre-order the smart speaker, Friday 26 January, and when it will 
become available, Friday 9 February. This is for US, UK and Australia for now, 
with more countries coming soon, beginning with France and Germany in the 
Spring.
Happy shopping and enjoy Homepod!

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Re: Apple TV Questions/Considerations?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi yes I am in the UK so Fios is not an option for us. We have providers like 
Sky, Virgin and Bt but their boxes leave a lot to be desired for accessibility 
and I do not wish to pay extra anyway if I can get all my programs on the UK 
version of Freeview. Just my £0.02 worth.

> On 17 Dec 2017, at 22:54, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Hi Christopher,
>  
> Are you in the UK? I don’t know if that makes a difference or not. For the 
> time being at least, I don’t intend to get rid of my Fios TV option. So, are 
> you saying that if say, Fios offers programs that are described for blind 
> viewers, then Apple TV over-rides that and the descriptions are not 
> available? That would be a game changer for me.
>  
> Eileen
>  
>  
> From: christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:03 PM
> To: Macvisionaries
> Subject: Re: Apple TV Questions/Considerations?
>  
> Hello, personally I do not recommend Apple TV. while it has some good parts, 
> like out of the box accessibility, there are some bad parts too. In my 
> experience of using Apple TV, both third and fourth generation, whilst there 
> were lots of content available, the majority of them were not audio 
> described, apart from what's available on Netflix and uk based BBC iPlayer. I 
> also thought the paid subscription services from both uk based TV Player and 
> Now TV were also a waste  of money. As a result, I have now gone back to free 
> to air television where most, but not all, programs feature audio 
> description, and there is no cost other than an annual TV license which is 
> required to watch and record live television as well as using BBC iPlayer, 
> including downloading and streaming on demand content.
> 
> > On 16 Dec 2017, at 19:29, Eileen Scrivani <etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> >  
> > I will be getting Apple gift cards from turning in a few devices I no 
> > longer use. I’m considering getting 2 Apple TV’s with the gift cards. I 
> > want to be sure I’m doing the right thing before purchasing them and 
> > encountering  problems.
> >  
> > First, I have relatively new television sets, Samsung 32” inch, but I 
> > really am not sure if it is a “Smart” TV. I know the TV’s have HDMI ports 
> > which are needed for Apple TV. If they are not Smart TV’s will it make a 
> > difference with using Apple TV? I don’t want to get the Apple TV only to 
> > find out that I’ll have to upgrade TV’s that are only 3-4 years old and in 
> > totally good condition.
> >  
> > Second, the tech people at Apple tell me the Apple TV will work with Amazon 
> > Prime which is the only alternate type of service I have in addition to my 
> > cable provider. Does anyone know if this is correct?
> >  
> > Finally when I was in the Apple store I saw the Apple TV, I think it was 
> > the IV, and I’m wondering what anyone else’s experience has been with 
> > accessibility for a totally blind person in both using it as well as 
> > getting it set up? And, also I know they come with either 32 or 64 memory 
> > and I’m wondering how to determine the better choice for myself. I probably 
> > won’t use it for looking at pictures, but am not sure of the reasons why 
> > I’d need greater memory. I’m wondering what other types of things the 
> > device can do other than the various TV watching apps. Any input is greatly 
> > appreciated.
> >  
> > Thanks so much.
> > 
> > Eileen
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Re: Apple TV Questions/Considerations?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, personally I do not recommend Apple TV. while it has some good parts, 
like out of the box accessibility, there are some bad parts too. In my 
experience of using Apple TV, both third and fourth generation, whilst there 
were lots of content available, the majority of them were not audio described, 
apart from what's available on Netflix and uk based BBC iPlayer. I also thought 
the paid subscription services from both uk based TV Player and Now TV were 
also a waste of money. As a result, I have now gone back to free to air 
television where most, but not all, programs feature audio description, and 
there is no cost other than an annual TV license which is required to watch and 
record live television as well as using BBC iPlayer, including downloading and 
streaming on demand content.

> On 16 Dec 2017, at 19:29, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> I will be getting Apple gift cards from turning in a few devices I no longer 
> use. I’m considering getting 2 Apple TV’s with the gift cards. I want to be 
> sure I’m doing the right thing before purchasing them and encountering 
> problems.
>  
> First, I have relatively new television sets, Samsung 32” inch, but I really 
> am not sure if it is a “Smart” TV. I know the TV’s have HDMI ports which are 
> needed for Apple TV. If they are not Smart TV’s will it make a difference 
> with using Apple TV? I don’t want to get the Apple TV only to find out that 
> I’ll have to upgrade TV’s that are only 3-4 years old and in totally good 
> condition.
>  
> Second, the tech people at Apple tell me the Apple TV will work with Amazon 
> Prime which is the only alternate type of service I have in addition to my 
> cable provider. Does anyone know if this is correct?
>  
> Finally when I was in the Apple store I saw the Apple TV, I think it was the 
> IV, and I’m wondering what anyone else’s experience has been with 
> accessibility for a totally blind person in both using it as well as getting 
> it set up? And, also I know they come with either 32 or 64 memory and I’m 
> wondering how to determine the better choice for myself. I probably won’t use 
> it for looking at pictures, but am not sure of the reasons why I’d need 
> greater memory. I’m wondering what other types of things the device can do 
> other than the various TV watching apps. Any input is greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Eileen
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My recommendation for a Twitter client for iOS and macOS

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi M Taylor and all
I am hearing reports that you are having trouble activating links using the 
latest official client from Twitter on your iOS device. Well I have a personal 
recommendation. Try the paid app Twitterrific which seems to be very popular 
amongst not only the blind community but also the sighted from what I am 
reading on Twitter using that exact client. The reason I put "macOS" in the 
subject is Twitterrific as of recently is also available on that platform and 
is just as accessible as the iOS counterpart.
Happy tweeting!

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Re: What is a floating app on iPad

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi, I would help, but since mine is ancient *smile*, iPad Mini 2, I don't think 
floating apps are available, nor are slide over and split view. Don't worry, I 
am determined to upgrade to the 9.7-inch iPad in early 2018 as iOS 11 on the 
iPad Mini 2 is now too slow for productivity use in my opinion.


> On 22 Nov 2017, at 11:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> The short version: what does it mean when VO says an app is floating, how is 
> this different from Split View, and how does Slide Over figure into things?
> 
> I'm getting used to my first-ever iPad. I got it several weeks back, but let 
> someone test it for a while to see if an iPad Pro would be a good fit. It 
> wasn't, so I took the device back and now officially own it. To be clear, 
> this isn't a Pro, just a 2017 9.7-inch model.
> 
> I use split view a lot, and quite like it. The multi-tasking thing I'm stuck 
> on, though, is floating apps. I was in Test Flight when I brought up the dock 
> and chose Mail. Rather than open Mail, VO reported "Test Flight behind, Mail 
> floating". Test Flight was still taking up much of the screen, with Mail on 
> the right side. What is a floating app, and how is it different from Split 
> View? Is there a way to quickly dismiss a floating app? I found no app 
> divider like in Split View. I've heard the term Slide Over before; how does 
> that relate to all this? Thanks for any answers!
> 
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Re: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi it’s the Friday after Thanksgiving celebrated in the United States.


> On 8 Nov 2017, at 07:13, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark and others,
> 
> Please tell me 
> Other than a Friday the 13th 
> What the heck is Black Friday?
> 
> We have black Fridays when I'ts a 13th of the month on a Friday but this 
> isn't a big shopping sales day or holiday.
> 
> What the heck is this one you guys have?
> 
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> Subject: Black Friday: Deal apps can help save you money on holiday shopping
> 
> Best apps to save you money over Black Friday and beyond Marc Saltzman
> Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one place, along with a 
> smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and more. (Photo: Flipp) We 
> all have that friend who always seems to get the best deals while shopping.
> Oh, you know the one. You spend $100 on designer jeans and they seem to find 
> the exact same pair for $60. Their 4KTV is bigger, thinner, and smarter yet 
> you paid the same amount. And they remind you of this fact. All the time.
> Well, perhaps it's because they're using apps that can save money while 
> shopping online or at retail. It's about time you got in the game. As we 
> approach Black Friday and Cyber Monday, here's a look at some recommended 
> deal-sniffing downloads for your iOS or Android smartphone or tablet. More:
> Black Friday 2017: What to buy, what to skip More: The best Black Friday 
> deals you can get right now More: 4 Black Friday facts retailers don't want 
> you to know Ebates: Earn cash back on all your online purchases with this 
> popular app. More than 2,500 stores and marketplaces are supported. (Photo:
> Ebates) The premise is simple: shop where you already like to shop, but get 
> cash back after your purchases, whether you opt to pay by check or a PayPal 
> deposit. Be aware the percentage varies depending on the online retailer or 
> marketplace, and there are more than 2,000 to choose from, including Amazon, 
> Walmart, Macy's, Target, eBay, Kohl's, Best Buy, American Eagle, Old Navy, 
> and Groupon, to name a few. The app will also notify you of sales and special 
> offers, and there are in-store coupons and promo codes, too. As added 
> incentive for signing up for a free Ebates account, you'll get a $10 bonus 
> when you make your first purchase, plus you'll earn $50 if you invite two 
> friends to join. Flipp: All of your circulars (flyers) and coupons in one 
> place, along with a smart shopping list, loyalty cards, rebate info, and 
> more. (Photo: Flipp) Another "must have" mobile companion, Flipp aggregates 
> all your local circulars (flyers) in one place now with more than 1,000 
> popular retailers whether you want to browse through weekly ads or search for 
> something specific by keyword. When you land on a product you've had your eye 
> on, Flipp looks to match the deal with coupons, to save even more cash. 
> Whether you're buying tech over Black Friday or food to cook over the 
> holidays, the app also features a "discount slider," so you can select how 
> much of a deal you want, such as only showing you items discounted by 40% or 
> greater. My favorite feature is a "smart" shopping list, that automatically 
> lists nearby retailers with the best deals, based on what on your list.
> Flipp also holds all your store loyalty cards in one place, so you can show 
> the app at checkout, plus there's support for rebates, too. Updated this 
> week, Shopkick rewards you with free gift cards for stores like Target, 
> Walmart, Amazon, Sephora, Starbucks, and more. To get going, open the 
> Shopkick app while you're at the mall, and you'll start to earn points
> ("kicks") for simply walking into select stores, scanning products (like a 
> retail scavenger hunt), and purchasing products (submit your receipt as 
> proof). You can also open the Shopkick app when you're lounging at home, as 
> you can receive kicks for virtually "visiting" a store or making an online 
> purchase. All the kicks you earn could be redeemed for gift cards or products 
> (from about 20 to choose from), or you can donate your kicks to charity. 
> Rather than scouring the web for the best deals, DealNews has an "obsessive" 
> team of deal experts that looks for the best prices on the biggest brands, 
> and then publishes the 300 best deals and coupons (and in some cases, 
> freebies) to the DealNews app. And it's not just high-tech toys, like tablets 
> and laptops, but also apparel, home décor items, and more.
> Along with letting you peruse the list of regularly updated deals, this free 
> app also offers alerts, so you're instantly notified when something you like 
> goes on sale. Other features include cloud syncing (so you can shop on your 
> phone or tablet but 

Re: weather gods and IOS 11?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, works fine here, you may need to reinstall the app though. I had an 
unrelated problem shortly after upgrading to iOS 11, and reinstalling worked 
like a charm.

> On 18 Oct 2017, at 12:44, Robert Carter  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Weather Gods is working as expected for me in iOS 11.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Well, I'm back again with more IOS 11 woes. :)
>> 
>> Is anyone here successfully using Weather Gods with IOS 11?  According to 
>> Apple Vis it's supposed to work, but when I try to open it, VO just says 
>> "Weather Gods Image".  I've tried tapping on the image, but nothing happens. 
>>  Just wondering about others' experiences.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Itunes goes nuts.

[christopher hallsworth]

hello, nothing wrong there, you must have a passcode on this device or the 
message should not come up in the first instance. Just unlock your iPad Mini 4 
first before connecting to iTunes. 13 Oct 2017, at 16:17, Anders Holmberg 
 wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have proglems with the latest Itunes.
> Evrytime i start it i get the message that it could not connect to my Ipad 
> device because its locked with a passcode.
> So i connect my ipad mini 4 and open it with a passcode.
> When i have synched my Ipad Mini 4 i close itunes and disconnects my Ipad 
> mini 4.
> I start itunes again and again this awful message comes up.
> What is going on.
> Its time for apple to leave itunes behind and create something better.
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Re: Twitterrific returns to the Mac as a modern Twitter client w/ themes, muffle syncing, more

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, have just purchased this app, love the iOS client so will love this.,

> On 10 Oct 2017, at 16:53, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Good news for Twitterrific lovers.
> 
> Twitterrific returns to the Mac as a modern Twitter client w/ themes, muffle 
> syncing, more
> 9to5Mac  /  Zac Hall
> 
> 
> The Iconfactory has officially launched Twitterrific 5 for Mac after a 
> successful Kickstarter campaign for Project Phoenix earlier this year. 
> Twitterrific for macOS is a totally new version of the Twitter client with a 
> modern design that includes a dark theme, visual customization, 
> muffle/mute/timeline syncing to the iOS app, and more.
> 
> 
> Twitterrific for Mac has been effectively dead for the last few years as the 
> market shifted to iOS where Twitterrific 5 has experimented with in-app 
> purchases to remove ads and unlock features.
> 
> With Project Phoenix, however, The Iconfactory used crowdfunding to ensure 
> demand for a modern Mac client before devoting months of development work to 
> the project. Ultimately, the Kickstarter campaign received $108,346 from 
> 2,852 backers.
> 
> For users of Twitterrific for iOS, this launch means there’s finally a modern 
> version of their favorite Twitter client for the desktop again. But even if 
> you’re not yet a Twitterrific user, the interest in the new app existing is 
> both good news for the Mac as a platform as well as the Mac Twitter client 
> competition (which Twitter tries to prevent without maintaining its own app 
> well).
> 
> Twitterrific lets you choose between two themes (light and dark), a handful 
> of fonts including Menlo (shown below), nine text sizes ranging from Tiny to 
> CHOCK, and three media thumbnail options.
> 
> 
> 
> Changing between light and dark theme also changes the window color for menus 
> even if you’re not using the basic ‘Use dark menu bar and Dock’ preference 
> which is a nice touch, and media opens in a whimsical and fluid popover with 
> share options and even playback controls for video included.
> 
> Twiterrific also includes VoiceOver support for navigating the timeline, 
> composing tweets, and the option to add a text description to images as a 
> fantastic accessibility feature.
> 
> And like the iOS version, Twitterrific 5 for macOS lets you quickly fix typo 
> tweets with an edit workaround that actually deletes the typo tweet and 
> replaces it with your edited version without manually copying and pasting the 
> tweet.
> 
> 
> Here’s the full feature list for Twitterrific 5.0 for macOS:
> 
>   •  Simple to use, easy to understand
>   •  True multi-account/multi-window support
>   •  View mentions, messages, and favorites quickly and easily
>   •  Timeline syncing of reading position across all platforms via iCloud
>   •  System-wide alerts for mentions & direct messages via Notification 
> Center
>   •  Fully accessible via VoiceOver
>   • Support for Retweet (RT) & Quoted tweets
>   • Quick access to Emoji when composing new tweets
>   •  Autocompletion of usernames & hashtags while editing tweets
>   • View Twitter saved searches and lists
>   • Check out global and local trending topics
>   • Browse conversation threads between users
>   • Support for tweet storms & chained tweet threads
>   • Quickly Delete & Edit your own tweets
>   • Translate tweets to your native language
>   • Helpful color-coding of tweet types
>   • In-app media viewing for images, animated GIFs, Instagram & more
>   • Share a tweet with actions for email, Messages, Safari Reading List & 
> more
>   • Muffles & mutes synced from Twitterrific for iOS via iCloud
>   • Robust in-app media viewer with detachable popovers
>   • Customize the appearance of media in the timeline or hide it 
> completely
>   • View user profiles including past tweets, likes & mentions
>   • Follow and unfollow other users directly from their user profile
>   • Block and report spammers with a single click
>   • Theme control (light or dark)
>   • Font size & type face control
>   • Robust keyboard control
> Twitterrific 5 for macOS is available to purchase on the Mac App Store for 
> $19.99 and runs on macOS 10.11 El Capitan or later.
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Re: Two Step Gone Wild!

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi all regarding turning off two factor authetication, please be aware this is 
no longer an option for some or all users. Just saying and if you can turn it 
off then that's great but if you can't then so be it.

> On 11 Oct 2017, at 07:18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> yeah turn off two factor authentication 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2017 11:37 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Two Step Gone Wild!
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I upgraded to High Sierra when it came out and I am running IOS 11 on all my 
> devices.  
> 
> Last night, my devices started going crazy with the following notification:
> 
> “Apple ID Sign Requested:  Your Apple Id is being used to sing into a device 
> near Oshawa On.”
> 
> This notification is appearing approximately every five minutes on all my 
> devices and it is annoying and making it difficult to actually do anything.  
> 
> Does anybody have any advice on how I can solve this?
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Sorted Archived folders out.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, oh I see, never thought of that, yes they are indeed mailboxes come to 
think of it, so what you did would have solved your problem. Glad it is sorted 
now.

> On 29 Sep 2017, at 10:51, Gary Price  wrote:
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> Hi everyone.
> 
> Thanks to Mark I've managed to sort my folders out.
> They were classed as Mailboxes, so deleting them from the mailbox menu did 
> the trick.
> 
> Thanks again for all your help.
> Gary Price
> Sent from my 13 inch Mac book pro.
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Re: voices high sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, glad you have sorted it, but it's a radical change in High Sierra. You 
now interact with the activities scroll area, interact with the customize 
language list table then go from there.

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 16:19, Wayne Coles  wrote:
> 
> hello thankks i have it now thanks
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You do this through Voiceover utility.  Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, 
>> then down to the category "Speech" then right to "default voice" popup 
>> button where you activate "customize" dialog and choose your voice to 
>> download.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 03:06, Wayne Coles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello list can anyone please remind me on how to download voices again i 
>>> have lost sam and can’t remember how to get the voices again thanks advance 
>>>
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Re: voices high sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, sorry for the rant. It is unbelievable the original poster touts this as 
a "major bug", when it's possibly a typo and would be clased as a "minor bug". 
In my limited testing of the beta, I discovered this, but would never class 
this as anything major. The feature is still fully functional, like before. The 
wording has just changed, that is all. Whether this will be fixed is likely but 
remains to be seen.
> On 26 Sep 2017, at 12:32, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> Correct.  This is where the person is saying that it says Activities which is 
> valid.  It’s probably either a change of wording or just a typing mistake.  
> Either or it will probably be fixed in a future release.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:11 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You do this through Voiceover utility.  Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, 
>> then down to the category "Speech" then right to "default voice" popup 
>> button where you activate "customize" dialog and choose your voice to 
>> download.
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 03:06, Wayne Coles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello list can anyone please remind me on how to download voices again i 
>>> have lost sam and can’t remember how to get the voices again thanks advance 
>>>
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Re: IOS 11 release

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I have the GM on all my devices as well, nough said till general 
availability next week.

> On 13 Sep 2017, at 04:30, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> HI Listers,
>  
> Probably because of my time zone 
>  
> The IOS 11 I’m assuming GM appears to have been released this morning
>  
> I’m installing this now.
>  
> And if anyones up for discussion if it’s allowed, 
> I’m not impressed so far by the iPhone x,
> Mostly because Samsung have had most of what’s in it available for a couple 
> of years and more specifically for us in NZ the 256 GB phone is $2099  NZ 
> dollars
>  
> What happened to the 128GB device.
>  
> Otherwise it’s a camera going by most of what was presented.
>  
> SF
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Re:

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, about $129.

> On 1 Sep 2017, at 18:56, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
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> Hi there,
> Apple now has a bluetooth keyboard with a builtin numpad.
> Unsure of the American pricing.
> HTH.
> God bless.
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>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:11, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
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>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I am wanting to use an external numb pad with ProTools on my laptop.
>> Are there any suggestions?
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Re: Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols are useless: USA Today

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, if possible, I protect my accounts with two factor authentication, two 
step verification, security keys and the like. Basically, a second layer such 
as a randomly generated code, sent by text, as well as my account specific 
password, is my personal best advice. That way, even if someone manages to 
correctly guess your password, they will still be locked out unless they have 
your nominated phone with them. Apple particularly takes this level of security 
very seriously, and is now required for apps to use certain iCloud features, 
such as Microsoft Outlook for Mail, Calendar and People.
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 04:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Password expert says he was wrong: Numbers, capital letters and symbols are
> useless
> By Ashley May
> 
> USA TODAY Cybersecurity experts say certain password rules are ineffective.
> Here is some of the latest advice on setting and resetting them. Time The
> man who said use capital letters, special characters and numbers in your
> password is now taking back that advice. (Photo: hanieriani, Getty
> Images/iStockphoto) The man behind the 2003 report responsible for many
> current password guidelines says the advice is wrong. Bill Burr, the author
> of an 8-page publication released by the National Institute of Standards and
> Technology, told The Wall Street Journal his previous advice of creating
> passwords with special characters, mixed-case letters and numbers won't
> deter hackers. In fact, he told the journal,'the paper wasn't based on any
> real-world password data, but rather a paper written in the 1980s. 'Much of
> what I did I now regret,' Burr told The Wall Street Journal . The problem is
> that federal agencies, businesses and institutions took the paper
> seriously'very seriously. The report turned into password protocol. Today,
> even though Burr's report was updated in June, we are still prompted to
> change our password every 90 days using at least one capital letter, symbol
> and number. These combinations aren't secure,'mainly because people choose
> predictable combinations. The advice about frequently changing a password
> has been criticized since the report. A 2010 study by the University of
> North Carolina at Chapel Hill showed that updating passwords often can
> actually help hackers identify a pattern. Another study from Carleton
> University said frequent changes are more inconvenient than helpful. The
> better solution could be to simply use a password with four random words,
> because the number of letters can be more difficult to hack than a small
> combination of letters and special characters, the Journal reports. Finally,
> a good reason to ignore those password prompts and come up with one we can
> actually remember. Follow Ashley May on Twitter: @AshleyMayTweets 
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/08/09/password-expert-sa
> ys-he-wrong-numbers-capital-letters-and-symbols-useless/552013001/
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion at
challswor...@icloud.com
Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. Cheers!

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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
> 
> Hi!
> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
> you.
> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
> I have reported this to apple.
> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
> device which was possible in ios 10.
> /A
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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[christopher hallsworth]

I am, and will still stand by mine and the group management thoughts on this. 
Questions about either Developer or public betas should not be allowed, in my 
opinion. Nough said. I do not allow such discussion on my own general 
technology list, which, btw you are more than welcome to join. Please ask off 
list so as to avoid clutter. Cheers!
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 13:55, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Not even public beta questions.  Why?  Simple.  It’s still beta and 
> therefore, falls under Apple’s non disclosure agreement.  
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi mark!
>> I am sorry for that one.
>> Not even public beta questions?
>> If not then i am very sorry to ask this here.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 10 aug. 2017 kl. 05:57 skrev M. Taylor :
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>>> Hello Anders,
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>>> contact you, off-list.  Please be sure to include your direct email address 
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>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
>>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>> Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question for 
>>> you.
>>> If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that it 
>>> comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
>>> I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
>>> voiceover will stay on the iphone.
>>> I have reported this to apple.
>>> I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
>>> device which was possible in ios 10.
>>> /A
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Re: The macOS 10.12.6 update

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi glad you are not the only one then.

> On 20 Jul 2017, at 21:35, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I tried repeatedly on my 2009 MacBook over a couple of hours and eventually 
> the update came through. 
> Harry
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 21:11, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Evening everyone.
>> 
>> Has anyone seen this? I am currently updating my own late 2011 Macbook Pro 
>> to the 10.12.6 update, but friend and list member Hannah is showing no 
>> updates on her early 2015 Macbook Pro. Would a full install of Sierra be 
>> necessary? Or is it best to try again in a few days.
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>> Please advise. Thanks.
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The macOS 10.12.6 update

[christopher hallsworth]

Evening everyone.

Has anyone seen this? I am currently updating my own late 2011 Macbook Pro to 
the 10.12.6 update, but friend and list member Hannah is showing no updates on 
her early 2015 Macbook Pro. Would a full install of Sierra be necessary? Or is 
it best to try again in a few days.

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Re: macOS Sierra

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, look for macOS Sierra and it should be one of the results, if not the 
top one.
> On 20 Jul 2017, at 01:56, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Before I do the update, I want to download the installer from the app 
> store. I must be looking in the wrong place so could someone point me to the 
> correct location? Thanks.
> 
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Re: High Sierra Beta

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, it is a disc image, so press command-o to open the disc image and mount 
it in the Finder. There should be a PKG (package) file in there, press 
command-o once again to open the file, now follow the instructions presented.
> On 5 Jul 2017, at 17:32, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> could anyone tell me how to install this beta utility I downloaded off
> the beta page before installing the High Sierra Beta? I am having a
> little trouble with commands and that sort of thing even though I have
> installed a few things before. Maybe because much of my installing
> have been from the app store. I am kind of forgetful when it comes to
> how to do certain things on the mac. A cheat sheet would probably be
> kind of nice.
> 
> On 7/5/17, E.T.  wrote:
>> Scott,
>>You have a developer account? Has there been an update since then?
>> The installer I got no longer has the checkbox.
>> 
>>I did not intend to run the beta on the internal drive. Not sure how
>> it happened, I was trying to close the app store. The internal drive
>> ended up with APFS case-sensitive. After restoring Sierra to the
>> external drive, I booted into recovery and tried to format the internal
>> drive to Mac OS Extended. It fails everytime.
>> 
>>First Aid reports the partition is fine, the volume is not fine.
>> When I try to erase the volume the APFS case-sensitive option is dimmed,
>> the others are not.
>> 
>>Strange and perplexing.
>> 
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>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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>> 
>> On 7/5/2017 6:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> I had no such problem.  I upgraded in place though not installed fresh so
>>> there may be a difference.  I just checked the checkbox and everything
>>> proceeded perfectly.  New filesystem seems to be working so far but this
>>> is not on a mission critical laptop so time will tell how stable it is.
>>> 
 On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Michael Marshall 
 wrote:
 
 My Apologies, I Accidentally Hit Send When I Was Typing my First Message.
 Do Not Upgrade to The New File System on The Test Version. It is Clearly
 Not Ready And This is Why it is Hidden in The Installer. I Tried
 Upgrading Through Recovery With Disastrous Results. I Was Presented With
 a White Screen and my System Would Not Even Booted into Recovery. In The
 End, I Had to Launch Internet Recovery, Erase my Entire Drive Including
 All Petitions And Restore From a Time Machine Backup I am not going to
 try this again until the main release.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 3 Jul 2017, at 11:55 pm, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Yup but I have not found it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 7/3/2017 6:53 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:
>> yup.
>> In the installer.
>> You need to check the checkbox that says upgrade to APFS, it doesn't
>> upgrade by default.
>> 
>>> On 7/3/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>>  I looked all over for that option but its nowhere to be found. One
>>> site I googled points out where it is but no. The site also indicated
>>> that one can switch to APFS after the fact.
>>> 
>>>  Something else is going on. Hit 99% and I am bounced back to the
>>> login screen.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 7/3/2017 12:09 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 Apple FS APFS is now an option as well I think.
 
 
> On Jul 3, 2017, at 2:41 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah mac os extended, don't think you need journeled
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2017 11:22 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: High Sierra Beta
> 
> Created the installer with Terminal, and booted from it. I am
> using
> the old hard drive I replaced with an SSD. If I am not mistaken, its
> to
> be formatted with Mac extended journaled?
> 
> Then back to the 

Re: New Iphone 6s - volume

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I have a 6s, and the volume may feel like one button but is in fact 
there are two one above or below each other. You can always adjust the master 
volume in page 2 of Control Centre. The sound volume in settings > sounds, as I 
understand, controls the ringer and other audio.
> On 5 Jul 2017, at 17:52, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
>  
> I have very recently purchased a lovely new Iphone 6s.
>  
> The volume control on the top left seems only to be a single button and when 
> I press it, the volume reduces.  I cannot get the volume up again or even 
> know how to do this.
>  
> I can listen to tune-in radio fine, but when I rign a number I can hardly the 
> rign-tone at the other end.
>  
> Can anyone tell me just how to use the new volume control as well as boosting 
> the total volume to it's max
>  
> This is needed as I'm pretty deaf.
>  
> Very best wishes.
>  
> Andy.
> From Scotland with Love.
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi, correct. Well lol! Nearly discussed the workaround on here, good job I 
discarded it when I did.
> On 3 Jul 2017, at 05:44, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Deleting app(s) with VoiceOver in iOS 11 Beta unfortunately isn’t possible.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:48 PM Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Morning macsters,
> 
>  Can someone tell me how the heck to delete an app from my iPhone runnin the 
> IOS 11 beta?
> 
> I've tried the double  tap and the go into edit mode but I have not been able 
> to find the delete option
> or even get it to work with the current delete app function.
> 
> Anyone know how you are now ment to delete  things?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Simon Fthen
> 
> 
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 30 June 2017 1:16 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
> 
> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> >
> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> >> downloading apps is broken.
> >>
> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
> >>> might be a good reason to try it.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
>  not installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when
>  going to install them?
> 
>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
>  that you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> > 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of 
> > “Arrange Apps”
> > it
> > will say “Edit Mode”.
> >
> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> > Drop where it used to say Move App.
> >
> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> > Treat
> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
> > you want or location, flick down and you will see an action to
> > drop the item into that folder.
> >
> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
> > I believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger
> > flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app
> > moving.
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >> How do one drag and drop?
> >> And where did you find about that feature?
> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> >> /A
> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
> >>> :
> >>>
> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
> >>> operate differently.
> >>>
> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
> >>> me to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then
> >>> kicks me back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use
> >>> that gesture all the time.
> >>> Yes,
> >>> reporting this.
> >>>
> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
> >>> them from most recent on the right to most recent on the left.
> >>> The Home designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how
> >>> to get Hand off to work, say to switch back after an accidental
> >>> hand off occurs.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
> >>> sluggish depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
> >>> to go into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice
> >>> Dream Reader though so just a different way of doing things.
> >>>
> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
> >>> didn’t realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to
> >>> drag and drop but once I figured it out, I do like it.
> >>>
> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no
> >>> issues updating or searching for apps.
> >>>
> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from
> >>> the iOS beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert
>  
>  

Re: Combining Languages in Mac OS

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, not to be specific, but yes, I did see the capability in the first 
public beta of High Sierra.
> On 3 Jul 2017, at 15:12, Ikrami  wrote:
> 
> I can tell you that you will be pleased with the high-siera update as it will 
> include ato language switching. The feature is not complete yet, but I 
> believe it will grow more mature as betas keep coming.
> There is a work around to have acapela infovox voices switch between two 
> languages, but this TTS is not free.
> Best regards.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Yefetov
> Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 3:44 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Combining Languages in Mac OS
>  
> Dear MacVisionaries,
>  
> I am learning several foreign languages (incl. Spanish, Polish and Russian), 
> and ever since I switched to Mac OS (Sierra) from Windows/JAWS, I'm 
> struggling with a problem. When I try to work with any document containing 
> two or more languages, VoiceOver does not switch the synthesizer 
> automatically between them, as it does in iOS and JAWS, e.g. to read English 
> with English voice and Russian with Russian one without having to switch them 
> manually. Instead it tries to pronounce everything in language set as a 
> default and just skips the words if the alphabet is different (Cyrillic). 
>  
> Moreover, when I’m writing something - say, a letter – in foreign language I 
> cannot interact with any object beyond the text – menus, buttons, etc. as 
> they are not pronounced correctly by a system language.  Does anybody have 
> any solution on how to teach my VoiceOver to “recognize” different languages?
>  
> My next stage of learning is going to be Arabic and Mandarin, and I can 
> hardly imagine how I could get thru. Would highly appreciate any input!
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Re: mac beta still coming soon was: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, same here, don't release a public beta in this state, which Apple has 
done.
> On 28 Jun 2017, at 23:13, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> And I would whole heartedly support that delay.  Squash the known bugs before 
> you push it out the door.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 2:13 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys. The reason why they haven't released a High Sierra public beta is 
>> because according to sources, Apple is still having issues with the APFS 
>> system. So rather than you guys getting stuck with it, they'd rather squash 
>> those bugs before it gets released as a public beta.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:53 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks bro.
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/17, Michael Marshall  wrote:
 hey,
 i see that the mac beta is stil listed as "coming soon" on the apple beta
 site.
 This is quite irritating to me, I honestly cannot think of a reason why 
 they
 did not just release all of them at the same time.
 that's just my little moan for the day.
 
 Michael
> On 28 Jun 2017, at 4:36 am, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> 
> The link is beta.apple.com 
> 
> Sign in with your iCloud and click enroll.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:37 PM, lenron brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ok cool deal checking favorites on the Iphone to see if I still have the
>> link.
>> 
>> On 6/27/17, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>> No you can over write with the new one, no need to uninstall.
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Krister Ekström
 >
 wrote:
 
 Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
 I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados 
 >>:
 
> You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it
> automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed
> boot file.
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström
>> 
>> > >> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I
>> have a beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados > 
>> > >>:
>> 
>>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and
>>> running
>>> with the beta though installing it early this morning.
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty 
 >>
 wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
 suggestion would be
 DON”T!
 
 I have and although a number of things are looking good
 I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
 lively as normal,
 A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept /
 purchase
 without closing the app and then reopening it.
 Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
 noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
 alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or
 made
 them yourself.
 
 
 
 So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to
 come.
 
 But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes, it's definitely broken here too.
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:47, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
> 
> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>> 
>> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
>> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same 
>> device after a reset or an uninstall.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>> 
>> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>> >
>> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
>> >
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> >> downloading apps is broken.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might 
>> >>> be
>> >>> a good reason to try it.
>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>  installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>  install them?
>> 
>>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>  you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>> 
>>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>> > 1-finger
>> > flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
>> > Apps”
>> > it
>> > will say “Edit Mode”.
>> >
>> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
>> > where it used to say Move App.
>> >
>> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>> > Treat
>> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
>> > want
>> > or
>> > location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
>> > that
>> > folder.
>> >
>> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
>> > believe
>> > you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
>> > some
>> > time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi!
>> >> How do one drag and drop?
>> >> And where did you find about that feature?
>> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>> >> /A
>> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>> >>> :
>> >>>
>> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>> >>> differently.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to 
>> >>> a
>> >>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>> >>> the
>> >>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>> >>> Yes,
>> >>> reporting this.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>> >>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>> >>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>> >>> to
>> >>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>> >>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> >>>
>> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>> >>> go
>> >>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>> >>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>> >>>
>> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>> >>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>> >>> but
>> >>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>> >>>
>> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>> >>> updating or searching for apps.
>> >>>
>> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>> >>> iOS
>> >>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>  my 6S behaving any differently.
>>  1. The messages rotor option has disappeared 

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, the Magic Keyboard 2 does have a numeric keypad and sells for $129, 
translate to your own currency if you will.
> On 18 Jun 2017, at 15:19, Matthew Dyer <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know how much this new keyboard cost.  This would be great if it 
> has a number key pad.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 4:40 PM
> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
>> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards. 
>>  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
>> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
>> function.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
>>> includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the 
>>> same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
>>>> of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>>> starts a
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Re: Sendspace, Dropbox, and Open-drive

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, so long as there are Mac versions of these apps you should be good to 
go. I know Dropbox and Sendspace do as I used to use them personally, but 
OpenDrive I have heard of but not used. Sendspace on the Mac does leave a lot 
to be desired as far as accessibility is concerned, particularly the log in 
screen. Just something to keep in mind.
> On 18 Jun 2017, at 19:17, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, we do not know that till we get our hands on it from December.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 22:15, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Will Apple's HomePod (Siri Speaker) have a 3.5MM HeadPhone Jack or a Lighting 
> Connector? Just WonderIn
> At 02:09 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:
>> The HomePod speaker looks really interesting, and I'm looking forward to it. 
>> It has great features but ultimately the audio quality will make or break it 
>> for me since I am very fussy about audio quality in general.
>> The new iMac pro should cover the needs of most professional users and looks 
>> like a great solution, personally I will never need that much power though.
>> I am a bit disappointed that The normal iMac's doesn't come with SSD Storage 
>> options as standard. SSD drives is the future, and in my opinion the fusion 
>> drives isn't that great. Maybe if it came with a 1 TB spinning drive with 
>> like 128 GB SSD as standard. When it's time to upgrade my iMac, i'll 
>> definitely configure it with a SSD even though it will work out quite 
>> expensive.
>> 
>> 
>> On the software side I'm glad to see a big siri update, but apart from that 
>> there's nothing really revolutionary about iOS11 and macOS.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On 05 Jun 2017, at 22:38, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> >
>> > So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> >
>> > Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>> > the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 
>> > GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the 
>> > device starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I have a 6s, and that will run iOS 11 just fine as it's newer than the 
5s which is eligible but will no doubt run slow and will certainly not have all 
the features and capabilities iOS 11 has to offer. I also have iPad Mini 2, 
which is also eligible for iOS 11, but will certainly have the same limits as 
the 5s. Finally I have an iPod Touch 6th generation which is the only iPod to 
run iOS 11.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 23:27, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7 
> getting I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as well. 
> just wondering.  
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
>I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>> starts a
>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes it is out.
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 09:47, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> So is the magic 2 keyboard out?
> 
> I'd heard rumours but noghting since that it was to be released 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2017 8:40 AM
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> 
> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
>> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards. 
>>  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
>> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
>> function.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that 
>>> includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the 
>>> same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
>>>> of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, honestly? We don't know if and when a new Apple Watch will be 
forthcoming.
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:44, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> I want to know if a new Apple watch is coming out and get honest opinion from 
> a person who uses it with voice Over.  Also, what is a magic keyboard?  I 
> have an old Apple keyboard where you need to put batteries in to make it 
> work.  If I were to get any keyboards, I'd need two keyboards and two new 
> trackpads but at the moment, all my equipment is working here properly and I 
> don't know what I'd do with the old keyboards and trackpads.  That's why I 
> haven't bought anything yet.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 20:40, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We still use lots of those older keyboards that came with the eMacs and the 
>> original white iMacs.  They're quite sturdy old things, and the students 
>> don't pick off the keys as much as they do with the newer aluminum kind.  I 
>> prefer typing on the newer aluminum ones, but can't beat the toughness of 
>> those older ones.  They also go through the dishwasher nicely when they need 
>> a cleaning :).
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 13:25, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My primary keyboard on a Macintosh is still one from a eMac that came with a 
>> G4 processor.
>> Please give a shout out about the new keyboard once you have used it for a 
>> week.
>> 
>> On 15 June 2017 at 13:43, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think I’d like the one with the keypad, I may have to try that out.  
>> Starting to really like the original version though.  Work was good enough 
>> to pick one up for me, it’s the first time I’ve used one.  Love it so far.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 4:40 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>> <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is 
>>> still available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
>>>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from 
>>>> Apple (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y 
>>>> keyboards.  I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the 
>>>> one I use wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys 
>>>> including function.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>>>>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together 
>>>>> with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that 
>>>>> this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and 
>>>>> adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit 
>>>>> interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I 
>>>>> would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but 
>>>>> not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has 
>>>>> really good potential, although I will be curious to see how it all works 
>>>>> with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth 
>>>>> keyboard and that includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I 
>>>>> realized it has the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards 
>>>>> that Apple has been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing 
>>>>> between the keys. No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard 
>>>>> that really works well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most 
>>>>> of the serious typing in the world.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>>>>>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, they announced core bluetooth, which should work directly with devices 
like glucose monitors, they also mentioned some kind of interaction with gymp 
equipment, let's hope then watchOS 4 suits your diabetic and other health 
related needs.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 08:12, gary-melconian  wrote:
> 
> Any news on apple watch  OS  as far as any hints to what tim cook  is wearing 
> as far as cgm and that sort of stuff goes. I am a type 2 diabetic and  rely 
> on the  dexcom cgm and I was hoping for better advancements in this area with 
> a watch sort of device that apple could come up to give the 21 million 
> diabetics  in the world a reason to get an apple watch. I am still interested 
> to se if anything will be talked about that in the future.  
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:51 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I still think the sonos speaker range is far ahead of the apple home pod 
> speaker,
> 
> But I do like the previous question of will it have the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> or lightening connector for headphones,
> 
> I think it will be more the Bluetooth for the earpods
> 
> 
> But they are going to have to be bloody impressive for me to buy 1 let alone 
> 2 although  I'm not sure we get them this year or next -Original 
> Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 9:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same awful 
> feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been producing. No 
> key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No thank you. Why oh 
> why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for touch typist? That 
> is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the world.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>> the device starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Sorry for the "incorrect" asumptions, so Mac Pro is getting a minor refresh 
now, with a major refresh some time in 2018, sounds good for the "pros" out 
there.
> On 14 Jun 2017, at 21:46, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> That is incorrect.  The Mac Pro is getting some minor updates right away, and 
> a major revamp for release in 2018 or so.  Read about it here:
> 
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/new-mac-pro-2018-latest-rumours-release-date-uk-price-features-specs-3536364/
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 14:36, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, Mac Pro is effectively discontinued, gone, but has been replaced with 
> the iMac Pro coming this December.
>> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:32, CHUCK REICHEL <soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
>> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
>> be apple went early?
>> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
>> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>>> model.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed,
>>>> Great stuff if your into video creation / editing or virtual reality 
>>>> creation but really nothing exciting
>>>> Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that for years / 
>>>> versions,
>>>> So has firefox and google chrome,
>>>> The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker 
>>>> to me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,
>>>> I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>>> itunes music library
>>>> As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an increase in processor 
>>>> type / quality up to the cabielake,
>>>> Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>>> 
>>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have said,
>>>> Holy bad ass batman!
>>>> 
>>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>>> 
>>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>>> 
>>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  From: 
>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>>>> On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB 
>>>> of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>>> starts a
>>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I love the Magic Keyboard and am glad the original incarnation is still 
available, together with the new Magic Keyboard 2 with numeric keypad.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:25, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Mary, that’s not quite correct.  The wireless keyboards from Apple 
> (magic keyboards) are quite good and I’m like you picky about m y keyboards.  
> I do not like the one included on the laptop itself but the one I use 
> wirelessly from Apple is quite comfortable and has all the keys including 
> function.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo 
>> pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with 
>> Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new 
>> speaker will be smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its 
>> output accordingly is interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the 
>> Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm 
>> disappointed about the mini not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I 
>> think the new stuff for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, 
>> although I will be curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was 
>> excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes 
>> the number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. No 
>> thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works well for 
>> touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing in the 
>> world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, Mac Pro is effectively discontinued, gone, but has been replaced with 
the iMac Pro coming this December.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:32, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I'm coming in to this thread late but Is there a new mac pro?
> I had heard that a new mac pro was coming january of 2018 but I thought may 
> be apple went early?
> I need a new mac pro for my studio & was waiting for it!
> GOD for you is the Creator of the engineers that produced Apple
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> I'm holding out for a Kaby Lake Mac Mini refresh to replace my aging 2009 
>> model.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 6/6/17 2:39 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah can't say I was overly impressed,
>>> Great stuff if your into video creation / editing or virtual reality 
>>> creation but really nothing exciting
>>> Oh waw safari has a popup blocker, Hmmm, yes IE has had that for years / 
>>> versions,
>>> So has firefox and google chrome,
>>> The files app / feature of the iPad is of interest  and the home speaker to 
>>> me is just an apple version of my sonos speakers but on a lesser scale,
>>> I don't always have apple music signed up to but do use spotify and my 
>>> itunes music library
>>> As for the hardware, well the notebooks are just an increase in processor 
>>> type / quality up to the cabielake,
>>> Still I think the notebooks are lacking in features.
>>> 
>>> The new updates to the iMac sound of interest but as Scott you have said,
>>> Holy bad ass batman!
>>> 
>>> The new iMac Pro range, dude give me a fully spec'ed  out iMac Pro,
>>> Althoughyou guys don't have to pay our prices,
>>> 
>>> Although I don't need a 5K screen res.
>>> 
>>> And I would like to see a new iPad Mini I'd like an iPad mini Pro,  From: 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 8:38 AM
>>> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
>>> Subject: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
>>> 
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, accessibility does not suck, it's just how accessible the devs make 
their own apps, I myself am going back to Freeview over the air television as 
now feel both the Apple TV and any subscriptions are no longer worth the money, 
however will keep the Apple TV as a "fallback" device should the aerial break 
down or something.
> On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:41, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 3rd 
> get from the perspective of a. user.
> 
> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire TV 
> is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and in my 
> opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know what I am 
>> missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason I want a 4fh is 
>> to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th? Send it to me. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in my 
>>> opinion.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to get 
 numbers or punctuation.
 
 Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably like 
 Finder. Also a document scan function.
 
 iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I still 
 have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I had the 
 bucks.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
> excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
>>> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
>>> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
>>> the device starts a
>>> 
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Re: iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, at this stage, it will be the dev beta. Public beta is scheduled for 
release at the end of this month. No pung intended, but Apple announced this in 
public at their keynote.
> On 11 Jun 2017, at 02:22, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> That sounds interesting.  I wonder if that will help with captcha solving 
> issues as well?
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Alex is that the public beta or dev beta?
>> 
>> 
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>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET
>> 
>> iOS 11 will let you record your iPhone or iPad's screen - CNET The developer 
>> preview is out, and users are beginning to talk about features Apple didn't 
>> announce during the keynote. One such feature is built-in screen recording.
>> It appears - as of right now - the feature is triggered through a button in 
>> Control Center. There's a bit of work you'll need to do to set it up, but 
>> once it's there, you can record your iOS device's display to show off your 
>> gaming skills, or capture a random bug that keeps occurring.
>> Below you can check out the video Twitter user @Alexpettitt made detailing 
>> how to enable and use the feature:
>> I had way too much fun recording this... but here's how to enable screen 
>> recorder in iOS 11 and turn on / off mic too: pic.twitter.com/CAU0td9tG5
>> - Alex Pettitt (@Alexpettitt) June 7, 2017 Presumably, you can then edit and 
>> share the screen recording just as can any other video stored on your iOS 
>> device. This is surely going to come in handy for many users. 
>> Since we are seeing the feature in an early beta, Apple can change how the 
>> feature looks and works. We will be sure to update this post with any 
>> changes up until iOS 11 is released to the public later this fall.
>> Apple confirmed to CNET this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-use-ios-11-built-in-screen-recording-feat
>> ure/#ftag=CAD5457c2c
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Re: Accessible Password Manager

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Another vote for 1Password.
> On 9 Jun 2017, at 08:34, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have been a 
> last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill passwords in with the 
> Lastpass safari extension... I can get into the context menu and find last 
> pass as an option, however attempting to activate it achieves no results. So, 
> do you have a preferred password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, 
> however I do not get the option to save some websites, and often times 
> passwords are not filled... this especially happens with the new login page 
> that gmail is using, but I have been able to reproduce that on other sites as 
> well. This happens with the latest release of Mac OS,.
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I think the iMac hardware will be released in December? From reading?
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 09:13, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> USA Fall which is around September 
> 
> All os's will be released around the same time,
> As will the new iMac hardware.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 3:28 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> E.T. just get a new latest iPhone in September, IOS 11 won’t be out before 
> then probably although I’m not sure the release date.  I didn’t catch that in 
> the release as I could only drop in time to time.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores 
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>>> Granted the device starts a
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Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, you can still buy the older Macbooks with regular keyboard, just so you 
know.
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 09:26, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Talking of the new macbooks from 2016.
> I saw one today and the fact that the keyboard was so integrated into the 
> computer that you hardly can type on it makes me a bit frustrated.
> I have my model from 2015 and really like the keyboard.
> I do hope i can use this mac for a very long time.
> /A
>> 5 juni 2017 kl. 05:16 skrev lenron brown :
>> 
>> Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen to
>> have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the fact
>> that this drive on some places is close to $900.
>> 
>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
>>> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB SSD. I
>>> got the Other World Computing bundle which included the special
>>> screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external drive case to put
>>> her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit is currently $389. I
>>> probably could have found the raw drive and such cheaper elsewhere but I
>>> knew the OWC set would work.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
 Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade  a
 machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I
 picked it up off of amazon.
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron brown
 Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
 
 Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can
 last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I
 mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a
 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get
 someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing
 but that upgrade is pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to
 see some nice stuff from wwdc though.
 
 On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't
> a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is
>>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or
>>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>> 
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott.
>> 
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>> 
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>> 
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able
>> to!

Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, you don't need an iMac Pro unless you are going to do some professional 
work. A Macbook or perhaps iMac or Mac Mini will satisfy the average user.
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 09:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I didn’t follow the wwdc so i don’t know much about it.
> But as you say the Imac pro sounds like something with the future in mind.
> I am not going to buy it as i don’t have a work to go to so my income is very 
> very low.
> /A
>> 5 juni 2017 kl. 22:38 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>> 
>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>> starts a
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Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello I agree. Apple did empathise it as a "music speaker" rather than a "smart 
speaker" despite the Siri integration, so Airplay support is bound to be 
included thanks to the new Airplay 2. I've not watched the keynote yet; just 
something I have read about the web.
> On 7 Jun 2017, at 15:46, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh I'm sure the Home pod is going to support airplay. They're coming out with 
> airplay to, which will let you play multiple systems from your phone or 
> otherI-device. You could also use a chrome cast audio through an existing 
> hi-fi system with tune in.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:22 AM, Brent Harding  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if the Home Pod will support Airplay for the times when you have to 
>> play stuff from the phone, such as Tunein Premium, Netflix/Hulu audio, etc? 
>> Not even the Echo Dot will probably get the sports stuff on Tunein Premium, 
>> so the phone will have to be the middle man again once football season 
>> starts again.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:20 AM
>> Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> 
>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and the home 
>> pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to purchase one or 
>> even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the home pods do and all 
>> from my phone.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>> To: Mac Group 
>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high end 
>> if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound than 
>> Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be able to 
>> route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name again?
>> 
>> Take care
>> 
>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world,
>>> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
 
 The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon fire 
 TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and processor and 
 in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know
> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One reason
> I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
> Send it to me. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>> my opinion.
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
>>> get numbers or punctuation.
>>> 
>>> Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
>>> like Finder. Also a document scan function.
>>> 
>>> iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
>>> still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
>>> had the bucks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 6/5/2017 3:25 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 So I missed the event.  I'll watch it eventually, but what are people 
 excited about in IOS 11?  Also, any updates to the MBA?
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 5:22 PM, E.T. 

Re: Which iPads run Swift Playground?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I think it was iOS 10 when the Swift Playgrounds app was released.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 01:00, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> The mini 4 and air 2 I believe the swift playground came out on, but in I 
> think it was in IOS 9 on those devices,
> 
> I don't believe it worked on the older devices.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, 5 June 2017 4:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Which iPads run Swift Playground?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For a while now, I've had a curiosity to mess around with Swift Playground.  
> Problem is, I don't have an iPad, and Swift Playground would be the only 
> reason I would buy one, which seems kind of silly.  My husband is offering to 
> let me use his iPad, but it's a couple of years old.  Does anyone happen to 
> know how recent the iPad model needs to be to run Swift Playground?
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: How about nte new Apple Speaker?

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Hello, I agree with everything you say. Fascinating to speculate, but that is 
all.
> On 23 May 2017, at 22:39, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Kawal,
>   Being this product has not even been previewed at the WWDC yet, speculation 
> can be a fascinating day dream. Maybe Siri is not up to snuff currently. Does 
> not mean that it will remain so. Wait for the WWDC before passing judgement.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 5/23/2017 1:16 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> It's got to do a lot more than that if I were to purchase anything like 
>> that.  If it's just a play back device with a few features added and (Siri 
>> not as good as having conversations with you), then I can't see anyone 
>> buying the speakers.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 23 May 2017, at 14:43, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Simon, it’s basically Siri in a box and from what I’ve read the box has 
>>> some higher end audio features as well so it can double as an audio 
>>> playback device.
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 23, 2017, at 2:52 AM, Simon Fogarty  wro 
 device.
>>> 
 te:
 
 Yes but what features will it have
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding
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 Subject: Re: How about nte new Apple Speaker?
 
 It's probably just a rumor, but it would be cool if they do make one.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
 To: "Macvisionaries" 
 Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:32 AM
 Subject: How about nte new Apple Speaker?
 
 
 Hi.
 
 I was listening to a blindness TechTalk show which is one of the shows that
 RNIB broadcast on their RNIB Connect radio.  On it they stated that Apple
 would be introducing a new Apple Speaker which I suppose would be in
 competition with Amazon Echo or something along those lines, I don't know.
 Anyone heard about this speaker?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: How about nte new Apple Speaker?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, I have, from another source, iDonload Blog to be precise, and it's a 
rumour. WWDC is only two weeks away tomorrow, so let's see what Apple brings at 
the table along with their usual previews of the upcoming versions of iOS, 
macOS, tvOS and watchOS.
> On 21 May 2017, at 18:20, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> It's probably just a rumor, but it would be cool if they do make one.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> To: "Macvisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 8:32 AM
> Subject: How about nte new Apple Speaker?
> 
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I was listening to a blindness TechTalk show which is one of the shows that 
> RNIB broadcast on their RNIB Connect radio.  On it they stated that Apple 
> would be introducing a new Apple Speaker which I suppose would be in 
> competition with Amazon Echo or something along those lines, I don't know. 
> Anyone heard about this speaker?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Two Factor Authentication on Mac

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Hi so what should happen is focus is placed in the first edit box so you type 
the first number then it should move to the second edit box where you type your 
second number and so on until the sixth and last number which should then 
automatically sign you in once it has been verified with the correct code.
> On 15 May 2017, at 20:02, Lee Jones  wrote:
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> Dear List, has anyone had any success signing into a mac with two factor 
> authentication independently. On the one occasion I tried to do it when my 
> icloud music library session timed out, I found it impossible to get the 
> numbers entered in time, and the focus seemed to be moving all over the 
> place.  If someone has done it with VO, could you share your technique, I’m a 
> bit slow on the uptake.  If I can’t sign into a mac independently that is a 
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Re: Two Factor Authentication on Mac

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Hi so what should happen is focus is placed in the first edit box so you type 
the first number then it should move to the second edit box where you type your 
second number and so on until the sixth and last number which should then 
automatically sign you in once it has been verified with the correct code.

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> Dear List, has anyone had any success signing into a mac with two factor 
> authentication independently. On the one occasion I tried to do it when my 
> icloud music library session timed out, I found it impossible to get the 
> numbers entered in time, and the focus seemed to be moving all over the 
> place.  If someone has done it with VO, could you share your technique, I’m a 
> bit slow on the uptake.  If I can’t sign into a mac independently that is a 
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Re: A Quick Question About the Native iOS Calculator App

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Hi my guess is a three finger rather than a one finger as this typically 
switches from page to page but may also do what you are looking for.
> On 6 May 2017, at 17:54, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Yesterday, May 5, 2017, one of the trending topics on Twitter was the
> discovery that one can delete an entered figure, one digit at a time, in the
> native iOS Calculator app, by simply single-finger swiping from right to
> left, across the display.  In fact, there were several videos on this.  
> 
> For example, were one to enter 6275, rather than having to clear the entire
> entry and retyping it, one can simply swipe to delete one digit at a time.
> Consequently, the first swipe would delete the 5, in the figure listed
> above, changing the entered figure to 627.
> 
> With VoiceOver disabled, I confirmed that this, does, indeed, work well.  
> 
> However, with VoiceOver enabled, try as I may, I could not discover a way to
> reproduce this very handy feature.  
> 
> My question:  With VoiceOver enabled, is there a way to delete figures, one
> digit at a time as described above?  
> 
> All replies welcomed.
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Re: Free/Cheap Audio Editor that Works with VO?

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Oh wow sounds interesting a free version of ProTools which I always thought was 
not available for the majority due to the high price tag.
> On 10 May 2017, at 15:49, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
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> Hi Des,
> 
> What about pro tools first?
> Its free & you can record up to 16 tracks with it. :)
> HTH
> Chuck
> 
> On May 9, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Des Delgadillo wrote:
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>> Thanks for this. I’ll check this stuff out.
>> 
>> Des Delgadillo
>> Reporter
>> desdelgadi...@gmail.com
>> (562) 652-3415
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Two posibilities come to mind.
>>> 
>>> Amadeus Pro, (which I am using) and Reaper.  Here’s a page that might help 
>>> with Reaper:
>>> 
>>> https://reaperaccess.com/notes-for-blind-users/
>>> 
>>> and here’s a page about Amadeus Pro.
>>> 
>>> https://www.applevis.com/apps/mac/productivity/amadeus-pro
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On May 8, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Des Delgadillo  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 i’d been using Protools for a few years until recently, as my student 
 subscription expired and buying at full price is out of the cards right 
 now.
 Looking for a good audio editor that works relatively well on Mac. I’m 
 sure I won’t find anything as feature-rich as PT, but any suggestions 
 would help.
 A lot of my work includes radio production and imaging as well as small 
 PSA and commercial production and occasional radio news packages.
 And before anyone suggests it, the new Garage Band is really confusing me. 
 Any walkthroughs or tutorials available on that?
 
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Re: Debit card concerns.

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Hi,

No problems here, however for larger transactions I use paypal which is only 
possible through the Apple Store website, not their app. I did this for a 
friend's mac, plus Apple Care Plus, and the order went through like a charm.


> On 2 May 2017, at 19:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I have never had a problem with this from Apple and have spent over 10,000 at 
> a time when ordering new groups of laptops and things.  You need to make sure 
> your bank supports you making larger transactions if you’re going to order 
> through the store because while Apple will take your money your bank may not 
> allow that much per transaction on a debit card.
>   Next, you. Might try a traditional credit card if a debit card doesn’t 
> work.  I’ve never had this issue though in the states, not sure if it’s a 
> local issue.  Make sure they have the number right, your address matches, 
> phone number matches and zip code or what ever you use for postal codes 
> match.  Transactions use multiple data points to help prevent fraud.  Talk to 
> your bank they will definitely know what’s going on.
> 
>> On May 2, 2017, at 2:27 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> This is quite strange.
>> I got a new Debit card and had to put that in my information on apple.
>> Apple automatically drags money for apple music and other services i have.
>> Now i wanted to order a new Iphone SE 128GB using my Apple ID.
>> When i do the checkout i am prompted for the 3 digit code on the back of my 
>> card.
>> I put that in and complete the order but it doesn’t go through because the 
>> apple store didn’t accept my card from what i can understand.
>> So now i don’t understand anything.
>> ANy ideas?
>> /A
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Re: Apple Pay on the web

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Hi,

I hope it is accessible, as when I come to acquire an iPhone 6s or later, be 
sure I will take advantage of Apple Pay. While I have it set up on my Apple 
Watch, this is the only device I have that is Apple Pay compliant, so can't 
really use it with other devices.


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> Has anyone used Apple Pay on the web to purchase anything?
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Re: Ipad pro with physical keyboard and change voice parameters

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Hi,

No. You can't change the voice on iOS, however you can change the current voice 
parameters, as well as other speech settings, such as audio ducking on/off, 
typing echo, volume etc.


> On 27 Apr 2017, at 23:18, mattias jonsson  wrote:
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> On osx you can change some voice parameters with vo+cmd+arrow keys
> On osx you change the voice
> Seems you cant do this on ipad pro with physical keyboard?
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Re: Finally Apple Music is working!

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi,

Apple has actually made their Apple Music service available on ANdroid as a 
standalone app from the Google Play Store.


> On 18 Apr 2017, at 14:44, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> So, how did you do it? Get Apple Music working on your android?
> Mary
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Hi!
>> By some great help from Apple Support i got apple music working on my 
>> Android phone.
>> So now things work as i expect it.
>> Though some buttons are not labeled but that’s not a big issue for me.
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Re: Very useful utility.

[christopher hallsworth]

Sorry, let me reply with some more here.

Keyboard Commander can also be toggled on and off anywhere with a keystroke. 
Either control-option-shift-k or caps lock-shift-k. Finally, by default, some 
commanders are provided, such as one to speak the time and date, one to 
announce how many unread messages within a mailbox in Mail, to name but two.


> On 2 Apr 2017, at 17:56, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gary.
> 
> Just an FYI, this has been around ever since I first used the mac back in 
> 2012. Nothing new here, but definitely overlooked since it's buried within 
> the VoiceOver Utility. Also, it is probably used less now caps lock can be 
> used as the VoiceOver modifier since OS X 10.11 Yosemite. Thank you for 
> sharing though.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2 Apr 2017, at 17:08, Gary Price <garypric...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Afternoon everyone!
>> 
>> If some people know about this utility already then I do apologise.
>> 
>> Thanks to the Applevis podcasts, I've discovered an excellent utility on the 
>> Mac called Keyboard commander.
>> This lets you assign any key to a command for performing certain actions.
>> It also lets you change things to your liking.
>> 
>> What I mean is for example instead of that really complex keystroke Control, 
>> Option, Shift and F11 to toggle the screen curtain on or off, I've added the 
>> keyboard key C. So now I just have to press right option key and C.
>> 
>> Today I've added a few others as well.
>> 
>> To access the keyboard commander, open the VoiceOver utility by pressing 
>> either Control Option F8 or depending on people's configuration you might 
>> need to hold down the FN key as well.
>> Once in the VoiceOver utility, interact with the utility categories table by 
>> either Control Option Shift Down arrow, or if using the quick nav option 
>> down and right arrow I think.
>> Select Commanders and then stop interacting with CTRL Option Shift up arrow 
>> or if using quick nav down and left arrow.
>> 
>> Your then presented with a list of tabs, the one you need is keyboard.
>> Move to it with VO and the arrow keys.
>> 
>> Once selected, you should see a keyboard commander table where the commands 
>> currently supported are listed.
>> To add a command, press the add button.
>> 
>> After you do this, you will be in the keyboard key edit field.
>> I'm telling you this because if you down arrow or move away from this field 
>> you won't be able to add it.
>> So put the key you want into this edit field.
>> Then VO right arrow once, you should hear Command menu button.
>> Activate this button, and look through the different options.
>> 
>> Once you've found the command you want to add, press Enter and bingo!
>> 
>> I should add that all the commands are listed as menus.
>> 
>> I hope this Email is useful to some people!
>> 
>> If anyone wants any more information or help, feel free to Email off list.
>> Gary Price
>> Sent from my 13 inch Macbook pro.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Very useful utility.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi Gary.

Just an FYI, this has been around ever since I first used the mac back in 2012. 
Nothing new here, but definitely overlooked since it's buried within the 
VoiceOver Utility. Also, it is probably used less now caps lock can be used as 
the VoiceOver modifier since OS X 10.11 Yosemite. Thank you for sharing though.




> On 2 Apr 2017, at 17:08, Gary Price  wrote:
> 
> Afternoon everyone!
> 
> If some people know about this utility already then I do apologise.
> 
> Thanks to the Applevis podcasts, I've discovered an excellent utility on the 
> Mac called Keyboard commander.
> This lets you assign any key to a command for performing certain actions.
> It also lets you change things to your liking.
> 
> What I mean is for example instead of that really complex keystroke Control, 
> Option, Shift and F11 to toggle the screen curtain on or off, I've added the 
> keyboard key C. So now I just have to press right option key and C.
> 
> Today I've added a few others as well.
> 
> To access the keyboard commander, open the VoiceOver utility by pressing 
> either Control Option F8 or depending on people's configuration you might 
> need to hold down the FN key as well.
> Once in the VoiceOver utility, interact with the utility categories table by 
> either Control Option Shift Down arrow, or if using the quick nav option down 
> and right arrow I think.
> Select Commanders and then stop interacting with CTRL Option Shift up arrow 
> or if using quick nav down and left arrow.
> 
> Your then presented with a list of tabs, the one you need is keyboard.
> Move to it with VO and the arrow keys.
> 
> Once selected, you should see a keyboard commander table where the commands 
> currently supported are listed.
> To add a command, press the add button.
> 
> After you do this, you will be in the keyboard key edit field.
> I'm telling you this because if you down arrow or move away from this field 
> you won't be able to add it.
> So put the key you want into this edit field.
> Then VO right arrow once, you should hear Command menu button.
> Activate this button, and look through the different options.
> 
> Once you've found the command you want to add, press Enter and bingo!
> 
> I should add that all the commands are listed as menus.
> 
> I hope this Email is useful to some people!
> 
> If anyone wants any more information or help, feel free to Email off list.
> Gary Price
> Sent from my 13 inch Macbook pro.
> 
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> garypric...@icloud.com
> 
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Re: trouble since the sierra update

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No and I have an earlier Macbook Pro than you, late 2011 13 inch.
> On 29 Mar 2017, at 01:34, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Last night I did the Sierra update and everything went fine. But
> now I'm having some strange issues. VO seems really retisant like I
> have verbosity set to the lowest level, which I don't. Also, I can't
> get to the menu bar with VO+M on any screen, and also can't get to the
> extras menu. Is anybody else on the list having these issues? I'm
> running a 2012 15-inch macbook pro. Was thinking about booting into
> recovery and wiping my drive and going back to El Capitan for a while,
> but that would be a big pain in the butt!
> Thanks Jeff
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Re: Fusion or fusion pro?

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There is about a £40.00 difference here in the Uk for the two versions, so 
opted for Fusion in the first instance and upgraded about once or twice from 
the initial purchase of Fusion 6.x.
> On 25 Mar 2017, at 15:46, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> THen i get the fusion because its less expensive.
> /A
>> 24 mars 2017 kl. 18:00 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> The difference, at least in the US, is like $20 or $30 so I never bothered 
>> with the non pro version.  Pro has some abilities like remote management and 
>> the ability to build servers locally and push them to a hosting service etc. 
>>  I’m not sure the differences but the www.vmware.com/fusion site has a good 
>> breakdown between the two.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> What are the major differences between Vmware Fusion and Fusion pro?
>>> Ofcourse Fusion Pro might be for professional use but what can you do with 
>>> pro that you can’t do with Fusion?
>>> I need to deside if i should buy pro or fusion only.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> /A
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Experience the weather in a whole new way with "Weather Gods"

[christopher hallsworth]

Evening everyone.

I would like to share with you an app that lets you experience the weather in a 
whole new way. The app is called "Weather Gods" and does a lot more than 
display the weather. Since there might be too much to discuss here, you can 
find out more at
www.weathergodsapp.com
and, if you like the idea, pay £2.99 in the UK app store for it. So it's 
"Weather Gods", without the quotes but with spaces. Enjoy!


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Re: password managers?

[christopher hallsworth]

Ditto. I now use that over 1Password as the features I personally need are at 
no cost.
> On 7 Mar 2017, at 17:35, Matthew Janusauskas  wrote:
> 
> Lastpass also is a viable option.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:47 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>Had. As in past tense. Think they offer a trial version. By the way if you 
> buy both Windows and macOS, the iOS app is free.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 3/7/2017 8:34 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
> Hi E.T., I thought one password had VO issues?
> Thanks Jeff
> 
> 
> On 3/7/17, E.T.  wrote:
> 1Password. Supports Windows, macOS and iOS,
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> On 3/7/2017 5:11 AM, jeff `greene wrote:
> Hi, So I'm getting tired of forgetting passwords and am thinking about
> getting a password manager. Does anyone know of one that's accessible
> with VO and also works under windows 10 with Jaws or System Access?
> Thanks Jeff
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Re: VoiceOver freezing up in Sierra save dialogs

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Hi I don't think so on this late 2011 Macbook Pro running the latest Sierra.
> On 5 Mar 2017, at 18:57, Nicholas Parsons  
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> Hi list,
> 
> Ever since upgrading to macOS Sierra, I’ve been experiencing an issue with 
> VoiceOver lagging and freezing up in save dialogs. It seems to happen 
> particularly if I’m saving a .txt file or saving something as PDF from the 
> print dialog. I’ve experienced it on several models of Macs.
> 
> I usually work around this by pressing command-option-l and then return to 
> save it in the Downloads folder, and then I rename and move it from the 
> Finder. Definitely not ideal though.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this? Trying to work out whether this is a 
> general Sierra thing or whether it’s something to do with me. The more info I 
> have the better my report can be to Apple.
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Re: Possible problem with friends mac book air.

[christopher hallsworth]

Do a thought but the RAM may be too small to handle the task. But don't believe 
the Air is upgradeable I'm afraid to say. This is one reason my partner went 
for the Pro over the Air.

> On 15 Feb 2017, at 00:35, matthew dyer  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> My friend has a Mac book air 2015 with 4 GB of ram and has a problem with 
> finder being slugusnesds particularly when copying files from or to her 
> external HD.  She has tried reformatting her drive with no effect.  She is 
> running the Mac OS 10.12.23  and as I said with 4 gb of ram.  She said she 
> has a lot of stuff on the external, but not sure ion that has anything to do 
> with it.I thought she should try taking it in to have it looked at, but 
> wondered if anyone else has had this happened to them.  If anyone else has 
> any ideas on this one please let me know so that I can try passing them on to 
> her.  
> 
> Thanks again in advance for any help you might have.
> 
> Matthew
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Re: Possible problem with friends mac book air.

[christopher hallsworth]

Maybe it's worth contacting Apple anyway and see what they can come up with. 
It's always worth a shot.

> On 15 Feb 2017, at 00:35, matthew dyer  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> My friend has a Mac book air 2015 with 4 GB of ram and has a problem with 
> finder being slugusnesds particularly when copying files from or to her 
> external HD.  She has tried reformatting her drive with no effect.  She is 
> running the Mac OS 10.12.23  and as I said with 4 gb of ram.  She said she 
> has a lot of stuff on the external, but not sure ion that has anything to do 
> with it.I thought she should try taking it in to have it looked at, but 
> wondered if anyone else has had this happened to them.  If anyone else has 
> any ideas on this one please let me know so that I can try passing them on to 
> her.  
> 
> Thanks again in advance for any help you might have.
> 
> Matthew
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Re: Back on the List with VMWare Question

[christopher hallsworth]

Well, if you can, wait for the Creators Update, as that will let you perform a 
talking install with Narrator. ANd you have heard that right.
> On 30 Jan 2017, at 04:20, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
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> Hi all.  It’s good to be back on the list, and I hope everyone is doing well.
> 
> I’ve recently installed VMWare Fusion, the recent, if not most up-to-date 
> version, 8.5.3….  I'm using Mac OS Sierra on a mac book air.  How does one go 
> about installing Windows 10 using an image?  I would prefer to use a flash 
> drive than a disk.
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Sophos Home

[christopher hallsworth]

Evening everyone.

Thought I would spread the word about Sophos Home. If you want a free, fully 
accessible antivirus, not only for Windows but for Mac too, then this is it. 
Best of all, you can install on up to 10 Windows and Mac computers per Sophos 
Home account, which is also free. Nothing else more to say, so go here
home.sophos.com
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Re: Amadeus Pro purchase site.

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi just so you know, this app is also available from the Mac App Store.
> On 5 Jan 2017, at 22:42, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> I am about to purchase Amadeus Pro but am wondering about the payment methods 
> radiobuttons.
> 3 of the radiobuttons are unlabled and only the 4th button is labled bank 
> transaction.
> But what are the 3 first.
> I want to pay directly on my card if i can.
> Bank transactions takes longer from Sweden as we have a holiday tomorrow so i 
> guess the license key wont come until the payment goes through.
> If anyone can help me out i’ll be thankful.
> Blessings!
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Re: Diskmaker X

[christopher hallsworth]

No need to. Download the free mac application called Install Disk Creator. It 
is totally accessible.
> On 4 Jan 2017, at 23:55, E.T.  wrote:
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>   Since Sierra, this developer was not able to get the app to work correctly 
> so I used Terminal to create the installer disk. Interesting to note that the 
> developer's site is gone. Maybe temporary but who knows. Was a nice app when 
> it worked.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: my impressions with sierra so far

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi are you using Alex? If so, there's your answer. Only macs produced in 2010 
are affected though.
> On 23 Dec 2016, at 19:22, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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> Hey everyone, so, I decided to upgrade to sierra starting with my 2010 mac 
> mini, also just upgraded the memory to 4 GB. I must say, so far I have had a 
> few major problems. First, the recovery disk assistant does not seem to work 
> with sierra to allow you to clone the recovery partition to an external USB 
> drive. I was able to do this manually using terminal, but the task is now 
> definitely more time consuming. I did get this done and my recovery usb drive 
> now works. A more serious issue relates to voiceover, I'm wondering if anyone 
> else has experienced this. Several times, for no apparent reason, voiceover 
> just quits speaking. It's hard to tell when it will happen, I have not found 
> any pattern to consistently reproduce it, but when it happens, I have to 
> completely reboot to get speech back. The audio itself is not muting, error 
> sounds still play, and pressing command+F5 to reenable it does not work 
> either. I've actually tried unplugging my speakers from the mac mini, and am 
> using the internal speaker, and so far it is working, though I would rather 
> not use this as my solution, just trying to do some process of elimination. 
> Has anyone else experienced this with sierra, and if so, have you found any 
> way around it. This was never an issue with previous operating systems.
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Re: Question about my mac and the extension for the transformer

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi Simon and Hannah
Don't get me wrong.
I have been, and can still use, the extension, but due to my home set up, it is 
potentially dangerous. For example, it could wrap around the chair or even 
someone's leg. So a new charger would be worth it for me to eliminate that 
potential.

> On 5 Dec 2016, at 08:40, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> HI Hannah & Chris,
> 
> Don't get me wrong,
> 
> I've got 2 ac adapters for my mac book air and one that I use at home I have 
> the extension connected 24 7,
> The second I have at work and that doesn’t' have the extension as the lead is 
> long enough to go over or round the back of my desk.
> 
> Either way should be fine,
> 
> Unless there are broken coating then no need to by a new charger.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of hannah day
> Sent: Monday, 5 December 2016 6:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question about my mac and the extension for the transformer
> 
> Hi that is what i thought but Chris did not agree . 
> 
> I wanted him to disconnect the extension as it is Dangerous . 
> 
> Should he replace the Charger?
> 
> 
>> On 4 Dec 2016, at 08:40, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> No,
>> 
>> You shouldn't nee the extension,
>> 
>> That's really only needed if your further away from a power point than you 
>> are able to get to with the standard cable
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
>> Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2016 8:23 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Question about my mac and the extension for the transformer
>> 
>> Evening everyone.
>> 
>> I have a late 2011 13 inch Macbook Pro, as you may or may not know. This of 
>> course comes with the old charger where the transformer comes with an 
>> extension. My concern is I appear to require the extension in order to 
>> charge this mac. Is this correct? If not, should I be concerned? I am due to 
>> upgrade probably around my birthday anyway as I am just ready for one.
>> Thanks for any responses. These will be very much appreciated.
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Re: How to prevent my mac from displaying log in panel after few minutes of inactivity

[christopher hallsworth]

Good to know. Nought said since you are running the beta.
> On 4 Dec 2016, at 03:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I haven’t had this issue but I’m running the beta.  The power settings are 
> set to wait an hour before starting the display sleep process on AC and 20 
> minutes on battery.  
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim.
>> 
>> Both  computers say login panel and both computers don't lock and they are 
>> both not set to sleep accept for the display.  This login panel still says 
>> it and I hate it.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Dec 2016, at 20:20, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'd expect that if you have it set to require the password after eight 
>>> hours, that it wouldn't do this, but take a look under the Energy Saver 
>>> System Preference.  There will be two tabs in there, one for when the 
>>> computer is on battery power and one for when it's connected to AC power.  
>>> the display is likely set to go to sleep after about 5 minutes.  This is a 
>>> good thing for saving battery life.  In either case though, the eight hours 
>>> should normally override the need for the password.  I wouldn't recommend 
>>> leaving it awake and unprotected that length of time anyway, but that is 
>>> really your decision.  I usually recommend that the display goes to sleep 
>>> after about five minutes when on battery and the computer goes to sleep 
>>> either 5 or 10 minutes of inactivity.  when on power adaptor, that could be 
>>> changed.  In my case, I let the display go to sleep at the regular 
>>> interval, but tell the computer to never sleep when on AC power.  Again, 
>>> it's your choice, but for security purposes, it's much better to have it 
>>> require that password after sleep or inactivity.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 13:01, hannah day  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> I am trying to work out why my mac is displaying the login panel about five 
>>> minutes after inactivity and can't figure it out. I have set the screen 
>>> saver to never start and have told the system to require a password 8 hours 
>>> after sleep or screensaver begins. This is on an early 2015 13 inch Macbook 
>>> Pro running Sierra.
>>> 
>>> Any responses will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
>>> 
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Thanks re: question about the extension on the transformer on late 2011 Macbook Pro

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello everyone.

I would like to thank those who have contributed to the thread on the extension 
for the transformer that came with my late 2011 Macbook Pro.

Since I did not buy the computer from Apple directly in the first place, I 
don't think I can trade it in. In any case, I have not bought a replacement 
ever since I got this computer. So this is not a show stopper for me if I 
should stop using it. Thank you once again.


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Re: Question about my mac and the extension for the transformer

[christopher hallsworth]

Ok thanks for alleviating my concerns. Since I live in the UK and bought it 
from that country, it will have the European setup.
> On 3 Dec 2016, at 19:32, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Not sure if I totally understand.  The MacBook Pro would have came with the 
> charging brick, and two methods of plugging that brick into the wall.  
> Normally, the two-prong connection is connected directly to the brick, and 
> there's an extension that allows it to be made into a longer cord.  You 
> remove the one connector and replace it with the cord extender.  Now, upon 
> further thought, this is the North American setup, the European system may be 
> somewhat different, whereby the extension is required.  I'm not sure though.  
> It all depends on the configuration of the prongs for the differing outlet 
> designs.  The actual brick is the same, I imagine that the attachments for 
> each country/continent is different though though.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 3, 2016, at 12:22, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
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> Evening everyone.
> 
> I have a late 2011 13 inch Macbook Pro, as you may or may not know. This of 
> course comes with the old charger where the transformer comes with an 
> extension. My concern is I appear to require the extension in order to charge 
> this mac. Is this correct? If not, should I be concerned? I am due to upgrade 
> probably around my birthday anyway as I am just ready for one.
> Thanks for any responses. These will be very much appreciated.
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Question about my mac and the extension for the transformer

[christopher hallsworth]

Evening everyone.

I have a late 2011 13 inch Macbook Pro, as you may or may not know. This of 
course comes with the old charger where the transformer comes with an 
extension. My concern is I appear to require the extension in order to charge 
this mac. Is this correct? If not, should I be concerned? I am due to upgrade 
probably around my birthday anyway as I am just ready for one.
Thanks for any responses. These will be very much appreciated.


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Re: Hannah's first impression with first ever mac

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Hi Joseph I hope the same.
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>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 6:49 AM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
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>> Afternoon everyone. Hope we find you well.
>> 
>> I am personally writing to announce Hannah has now received her first ever 
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>> with it straight away, and all it needed was using VoiceOver's built in 
>> tutorial to get her started. She particularly loves the consistency of the 
>> macOS Sierra user interface, as well as the keystrokes are pretty much 
>> universal. The mac in question is an early 2015 13 inch Macbook Pro with 8 
>> GB RAM and 512 GB of PCIE-based flash storage. It did come with OS x El 
>> Capitan, but was quickly updated to macOS Sierra thanks to yours truly. All 
>> in all she has enjoyed every minute of the transition from, dare I say it? 
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Hannah's first impression with first ever mac

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Afternoon everyone. Hope we find you well.

I am personally writing to announce Hannah has now received her first ever mac 
yesterday as part of our "Christmas Day". Anyway, she's fallen in love with it 
straight away, and all it needed was using VoiceOver's built in tutorial to get 
her started. She particularly loves the consistency of the macOS Sierra user 
interface, as well as the keystrokes are pretty much universal. The mac in 
question is an early 2015 13 inch Macbook Pro with 8 GB RAM and 512 GB of 
PCIE-based flash storage. It did come with OS x El Capitan, but was quickly 
updated to macOS Sierra thanks to yours truly. All in all she has enjoyed every 
minute of the transition from, dare I say it? Windows 10 and Windows in 
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Re: How is everyone finding sierra?

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Not here, same mac as you, try doing a clean install.
> On 25 Nov 2016, at 16:23, Daniel C  wrote:
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> Siera, In my opinion, can still use work.
> While it runs fine on my MacBook Pro late 2011, I noticed that VO does tend 
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Re: Installing SSD

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Oh I see. Nothing to worry about then. Cheers.
> On 21 Nov 2016, at 19:09, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> It will automatically come with one from Apple.  The only time you won't have 
> one is if you're installing a brand new drive yourself.  In these cases, 
> you'll need to install the MacOS first so that the Recovery Partition is 
> present.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> Hi
> 
> How do I create a recovery partition just in case my girlfriend's new mac 
> won't have one? I never knew you had to create one in the first instance, 
> since mine came with one for Lion and presumably got updated as each new 
> major OS update was released. Correct? Anyway thanks for any responses.
> 
> 
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>> The fix is to either create a recovery partition or install a clean copy of 
>> the OS first which includes installing the recovery partition and then 
>> restoring.  THat’s my guess anyway I haven’t seen this one myself.
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:34 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
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>>> When I try to restore from Time Machine to the new SSD, an error occurs, 
>>> something about adding recovery system to the destination drive. What is 
>>> the fix? Thanks.
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Re: Installing SSD

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

How do I create a recovery partition just in case my girlfriend's new mac won't 
have one? I never knew you had to create one in the first instance, since mine 
came with one for Lion and presumably got updated as each new major OS update 
was released. Correct? Anyway thanks for any responses.


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> The fix is to either create a recovery partition or install a clean copy of 
> the OS first which includes installing the recovery partition and then 
> restoring.  THat’s my guess anyway I haven’t seen this one myself.
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  When I try to restore from Time Machine to the new SSD, an error occurs, 
>> something about adding recovery system to the destination drive. What is the 
>> fix? Thanks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Trying this again. Wanting to install windows in a boot camp partition from a vm. Can this be done without sited help.

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I don't think it can be done, or it wasn't when I last used Bootcamp Assistant 
which was in my early days of the mac. I now simply use a VM.
> On 20 Nov 2016, at 16:11, matthew dyer  wrote:
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> 
> 
> Trying this again as my message bounced when sending this message this 
> morning.
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> 
> I have a windows 10 home vm which I want to use in a boot camp partition.  
> This can be done without sited help?  I was playing with the boot camp 
> assistant lastnight and found that if I have a usb drive connected it will 
> download a set of drivers for windows.  I did not see an opsion to hav e it 
> install from a vm. I am either missing something or perhaps you get the 
> opsion later in the prosses.  Anyone tred this without sited help annd how 
> did you do this.  I am using an imac 21 inch with a 1TB HD.  Thanks.
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Re: Login Issue

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

Don't know, but do know single user mode is not accessible because VoiceOver is 
not loaded in this mode. There might be a way in recovery mode to manage a 
locked account. For example in Terminal you can type
resetpassword
press return and you can reset the password for the local account.


> On 18 Nov 2016, at 04:34, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   A friend is unable to login to his Mac after his local Apple store reset 
> it. He thinks they left the user account set up which he cannot log into.
> 
>   While googling, I find articles about Single User Mode. Is this accessible? 
> Or is there anther way he can change that account or create his own? He is 
> new to the Mac so may be willing to sacrifice what he had already done and 
> begin fresh.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Using a mac as a bluetooth keyboard

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes. I use Type2Phone although I do not have it on this mac yet.
> On 15 Nov 2016, at 16:16, aliFaisal  wrote:
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> hello everyone,
> Is it possible to use a mac as a   bluetooth keyboard? There are some 
> applications on my phone that requires  lot of writing. I do not currently 
> possess  a bluetooth keyboard hence me wanting to use my mac as a bluetooth 
> keyboard to enter in text on my iPhone.
> Thanks
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[christopher hallsworth]

Well yes, actually it's the case as of today. Apple has done away with spinning 
drives on all their current macs, according to the Apple Store itself. Oh, 
maybe not on their line of desktops but definitely on their line of laptop and 
notebook computers.


> On 11 Nov 2016, at 04:15, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Good to see now that SSD is the most best - important uppgrade theese days 
> compared to spinning drives. Remember about 8-9 years ago when i uppgraded 
> from spinning to SSD drive on a windows laptop. Fun. Next year every mac have 
> SSD i guess. 
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
>> 11. nov. 2016 kl. 01.49 skrev Sarai Bucciarelli 
>> :
>> 
>> Would definitely get more SSD space. Then have to decide about ram or 
>> processor upgrade. Want to future proof.
>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 12:19 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ram is also important though let’s not sell it short.  More is better if 
>>> you can afford it and it’s usually a pretty small money bump for a good 
>>> performance bump.
>>> 
>>> Apple though is including 8gb minimum now which is a nice step and as 
>>> someone mentioned a good amount for a lot of use cases.  Even more storage 
>>> is good but for me it’s better to have SSD storage and less of it than 
>>> rotating storage and more.  SSD is so fast and such a boost in performance.
>>> 
 On Nov 8, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 I definitely would have gone with more storage over more ram.
> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:02 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Cheers for this, it’s interesting reading,
> 
> I’m surprized about the storage size though, I would have gone more but 
> up to the individual
> 
> 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tree Mabry
> Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2016 3:56 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: 2016 Macbook Pro
> finitely get SSD.
> I ordered the 13 inch, non touch bar model, with the 2.0 processor, 256 
> gigs of storage, and 16 gigs of ram. A few days ago I wrote an extensive 
> post on Apple Vis, about what went into this decision; I have copied and 
> pasted some of that post below; I’m sorry that it’s a bit long. You can 
> read the full post at this link.
> http://www.applevis.com/forum/hardware-accessories/why-i-just-ordered-2016-mac-book-pro-function-keys
> 
> I think that the people who have expressed a desire to stay on top of the 
> latest trends in user interface might be especially interested in my 
> paragraph about Apple’s official touch bar user interface guidelines.
> First let me say that I was pretty open to the idea of the touch bar last 
> week as I watched the Apple event. I felt pretty confident that Apple 
> would make sure that this new interface worked with voice over. In the 
> days after the event I hungrily tried to find any information about how 
> exactly Voice Over accessibility would work with the touch bar. 
> Ironically when I did come across some specifics they both encouraged me, 
> and at the same time helped me decide that I have no interest in the 
> touch bar. The best info I have found so far about Voice Over and the 
> touch bar comes from I accessibility, here is a link to the relevant 
> article.
> http://iaccessibility.net/index.php/2016/10/28/voiceover-at-the-bar/
> The main takeaways are, you can use the number keys as function keys, 
> there are keystrokes for raising and lowering volume, and to interact 
> with sliders on the touch bar you have to double tap and hold, wait for a 
> tone, and then slide your finger. I think the volume keystrokes, and the 
> number keys acting as function keys makes a lot of sense, and I'm really 
> glad Apple is doing things that way. However, as soon as I realized how 
> relieved I was about these changes, I realized the relief was based 
> around me being able to avoid using the touch bar.
> Basically I do not believe that the touch bar is going to make many 
> things more efficient or easier for voice over users. Take the sliders I 
> previously mentioned. I would much rather turn down brightness by simply 
> holding down a key, instead of the three step process voice over users 
> will have to navigate.
> To some up my thoughts about touch bar and accessibility, I believe the 
> experience will be fine, but I do not think it will be better then what 
> we already have.
> I know this post is getting very very long, but I want to now get into 
> the primary reasons I have decided to pass on the touch bar, and they 
> have little to do with voice over Accessibility.
> 1. I do not believe the touch bar 

Training new mac user, any tips and tricks?

[christopher hallsworth]

Evening everyone.

So it's 30 days before my girlfriend will receive her first ever mac as a 
Christmas present. Better early than never this time round. You will see why 
below.

Once her early 2015 13 inch Macbook Pro has been updated to macOS Sierra 
10.12.1 and has been configured to her liking, I plan to do  one-to-one 
training while she has her mac at my place, at no additional charge of course. 
Any tips and tricks on where to start? See I've never shown someone else how to 
use a mac, since I self taught myself when I got my first ever mac, this late 
2011 13 inch Macbook Pro that I am writing this email on now.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Cheers!


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