AirPods 2nd Gen question

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
I am late jumping on the AirPods  band wagon.
I have a question, How can I tell if the case is charged?
This is the case with the Lightning port.
My iPhone 14 battery widget says the AirPods are at 95% charged.
What about left ear charge or right ear charge?
Last Night I had trouble connecting the AirPods to my iPhone 14 for the first 
time.
Holding the case next to the phone and opening the lid brought up  the connect 
screen, but every time  I hit connect I get error connection failed. And in 
bluetooth settings, tapping on AirPods got error, pairing failed.
After choosing to forget device, I held the button on the case for 5 seconds 
and finally  got it to pair.
My second question is what holder do you suggest for making sure the AirPods 
does not fall out of the ears?
It is a loop that fits around the ear and holds the AirPods.
Thanks,
Rob

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/191359E9-A6D8-405B-A700-F65D36967A89%40icloud.com.

Re: Bar Code App

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Have you heard of  Wayaround?
www.wayaround.com 

Rob


> On Jan 18, 2024, at 4:56 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>   I had asked this before and got no response. I'm looking for an iOS app 
> that can create an audio label for blank bar code stickers. Thoughts?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/307eb2d5-2edd-4947-a723-89ed11641375%40icloud.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/8F73A7A7-2C67-4D32-B675-31A47F3775AF%40icloud.com.

Re: logging into BARD on Safari on a Mac

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Try using Safari’s private window by pressing command shift n.
Then open Bard.

Rob


> On Dec 28, 2023, at 3:59 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> when I. log into BARD on my Mac I get a 500 internal server error. this was 
> happening yesterday too. I called my state library and they seemed to think 
> it was on my end. I cleared my cashe but I couldn’t find it in the list of 
> sites that have cookies. I suppose I could clear all but that might make a 
> mess. in other places. I may have to anyway because I tried logging in using 
> Firefox and it worked so it must be a Safari issue. suggestions?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E1537913-8DE2-436E-8629-94FCB8DC6853%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FF8C1CF2-9004-49F3-99A8-3D3381617074%40icloud.com.

Re: Installing and using Lennox excessively on an old MacBook Air

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I installed Linux Mint Mate, on my 2009 MacBook.
The Linux Screenreader is called Orca.


> On Dec 27, 2023, at 2:15 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been hearing about people using Linux on this list for quite some time 
> and I never really cared until now. I’m wondering, how are people using 
> Lennox from an accessibility standpoint, what screen reader is out there for 
> use. I did my college independent studies using Lennox And so I’m not 
> unfamiliar with it, but I never thought to use it on a Mac. I have an old 
> MacBook Air, a 2013, that’s just collecting dust and I thought I might 
> install Lennox and have a little play around with it. Can someone tell me  
> How I would go about installing it on my old MacBook Air and what screen 
> reader can I use?
> Thanks for any information. By the way, I don’t care what happens to this old 
> MacBook Air, I’ll strip it down and do whatever with it, it’s lucky I didn’t 
> put a bull spike through it
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/98F3954D-6EC9-4D74-AB30-65EFBBE5436F%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/72407B87-7F94-4248-AA96-8DB6555A124A%40icloud.com.

Re: Hermes again

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Are there any system alerts open?
Press control plus option plus F1 twice to check.
When trying to open the app, press control option shift M,
Then choose open.
Or check to see if it’s being blocked in system preferences and Privacy.

Rob

> On Dec 24, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I ran the app cleaner, deleted the Hermes files, dumped the trash and 
> redownloaded Hermes and opened it. nothing appeared to happen although I’ve 
> been through this a couple of times and apparently the files all get put back 
> in there. once a notification popped up asking if I wanted to allow 
> notifications from Hermes. that was happening when the app first crashed. I’m 
> not sure if there’s anything I can do to make this app work. if you have 
> suggestions, I’d be glad to hear them.
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/2CB117E6-6E88-4446-9B95-70843F332E9C%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FD1997CE-2D45-4F62-80E3-CABC4DD35226%40icloud.com.

Re: Hermes for Pandora

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
1 be sure the app is installed, so we can use app cleaner to uninstall it.
2 open app cleaner
3 press command plus O
4 Select the app to uninstall and hit enter
5 it should show a table with related files, for me it found 4 files.
6 Now press the remove button.
That’s it.
Good luck.
Rob

> On Dec 24, 2023, at 1:02 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> thanks. I. downloaded it. can you tell me how to use it? do I delete Hermes 
> first? do I paste it somewhere in the app cleaner?
> 
> thanks.
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:37 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Try app cleaner.
>> https://freemacsoft.net/appcleaner/
>> It should delete any leftover files that does not get deleted just by 
>> putting the app in the trash.
>> Then you can reinstall the app starting fresh.
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2023, at 10:19 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There’s a Mac app called Hermes used with Pandora. it’s open source. I like 
>>> it because when I use it the ads don’t come up. recently I installed it on 
>>> my new Mac and it worked great. then I started fooling around with it, 
>>> trying to figure out how to delete stations I didn’t want any more. 
>>> something I did threw me out of the app and now absolutely nothing happens 
>>> when I open it, or try to. I deleted it, reinstalled it and restarted my 
>>> computer. nothing. any ideas about about how to get it back?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at: 
>>>  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>>> --- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3AA94E18-989F-4FB4-8FB5-42DAAD253523%40gmail.com.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/ED690C10-FD56-4CB9-A640-073AE3A48AE8%40icloud.com.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
&

Re: Hermes for Pandora

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Try app cleaner.
https://freemacsoft.net/appcleaner/
It should delete any leftover files that does not get deleted just by putting 
the app in the trash.
Then you can reinstall the app starting fresh.
Rob


> On Dec 23, 2023, at 10:19 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> There’s a Mac app called Hermes used with Pandora. it’s open source. I like 
> it because when I use it the ads don’t come up. recently I installed it on my 
> new Mac and it worked great. then I started fooling around with it, trying to 
> figure out how to delete stations I didn’t want any more. something I did 
> threw me out of the app and now absolutely nothing happens when I open it, or 
> try to. I deleted it, reinstalled it and restarted my computer. nothing. any 
> ideas about about how to get it back?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3AA94E18-989F-4FB4-8FB5-42DAAD253523%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/ED690C10-FD56-4CB9-A640-073AE3A48AE8%40icloud.com.

Re: What is this? And how do I get rid of it? ͏ ͏

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

I found that Samantha ignores this combining graphene joiner
She just stops and does not read the preview of the email.
I tried adding a blank or dot dot dot in the VoiceOver pronunciation with no 
luck.
Alex just want cooperate.
He needs to learn from Samantha.
Thanks,
Rob

Previous message below:

Dear List,
I get this in a lot of emails on My Mac running Monterey 12.7.2.
It does not happen on IOS.
It is saying combining “graphene joiner”

It seems to be in the subject line, because I can not find it in the body of 
the email.
It seems to repeat over and over until I stop it.
I got VoiceOver to copy last phrase to clipboard so I could paste it here.
unread Apple Music Enjoy Apple Music for 3 months free. 10:25 AM Don’t forget 
to redeem yours. ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏

-- 

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DFBB50EE-4676-49F3-B303-868578FFB4B0%40icloud.com.

Re: What is this? And how do I get rid of it? ͏ ͏

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi Brad,
Auto detect was selected, so I changed it with no results.
Thanks,
Rob


> On Dec 21, 2023, at 1:44 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I’m thinking this could be something that is not English.
> Try going into the Speech Attributes Rotor, and change the Language setting 
> to Automatically Detect Language, and see if that does anything.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 21, 2023, at 10:54, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> I get this in a lot of emails on My Mac running Monterey 12.7.2.
> It does not happen on IOS.
> It is saying combining “graphene joiner”
> 
> It seems to be in the subject line, because I can not find it in the body of 
> the email.
> It seems to repeat over and over until I stop it.
> I got VoiceOver to copy last phrase to clipboard so I could paste it here.
> unread Apple Music Enjoy Apple Music for 3 months free. 10:25 AM Don’t forget 
> to redeem yours. ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
> ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3E9F1E88-1C44-49D4-991E-4F577758D044%40icloud.com.
> 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
&

What is this? And how do I get rid of it? ͏ ͏

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
I get this in a lot of emails on My Mac running Monterey 12.7.2.
It does not happen on IOS.
It is saying combining “graphene joiner”

It seems to be in the subject line, because I can not find it in the body of 
the email.
It seems to repeat over and over until I stop it.
I got VoiceOver to copy last phrase to clipboard so I could paste it here.
unread Apple Music Enjoy Apple Music for 3 months free. 10:25 AM Don’t forget 
to redeem yours. ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ 
͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ 
͏͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏ ͏͏

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3E9F1E88-1C44-49D4-991E-4F577758D044%40icloud.com.

Re: What is going on with YouTube

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Go to VoiceOver settings
Web then navigation
Uncheck live regions
This should help 

 


> On Nov 16, 2023, at 12:17 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Ugh, YouTube on Safari with VoiceOver is especially terrible lately. 
> Voiceover seems to get stuck in a loop of repeating words. Usually, verified 
> verified verified.
> 
> Does anyone know what’s going on and are there work arounds?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/314A49E7-454E-4185-914F-07F59C7C15C0%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/189290D8-EE9E-44F9-872C-DD824658B41F%40icloud.com.

Looking for PDF Pen 12 installer

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi List,
I am in the need of PDF Pen version 12 installer.
I reinstalled Monterey and the only version of the installer I have is version 
8.
That’s because when I had Big Sur, I upgraded from version 8 to version 12 
without downloading the installer.
And now I’m stuck because version 8 will not run on Monterey.
Thanks,
Rob
P.S.
I contacted Smile Software, and was told to contact Nitro the new owners of PDF 
Pen.
So now I am awaiting their reply.
I hope that they want make me purchase  version 13.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/63FCFDBA-C06D-4881-8778-928A13DC327F%40icloud.com.

Re: Can not find my custom email folders after fresh install

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

The link you sent was for an earlier version of the mail app, but it said to 
take all accounts offline, then wait and bring them back online, That fixed it.
Thanks,
Rob


> On Oct 27, 2023, at 10:13 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 27/10/23 10:00, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> There are folders in my iCloud account not showing on my Mac.
>> I chose rebuild mailboxes, but it didn’t helpp.
>> Can someone point me in the right direction?
> 
> I'm not familiar with iCloud mail, but you may need to subscribe to specific 
> folders for them to be downloaded.
> 
> I would suggest searching the Web for details. This article may help:
> https://www.inmotionhosting.com/support/email/subscribe-imap-email/
> 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/c65e11fd-7647-4eaf-9d35-24f80eefa264%40jasonjgw.net.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/15B45181-F279-44C8-829C-9D8A7D8FB316%40icloud.com.

Can not find my custom email folders after fresh install

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
I did a new install of Monterey.
There are folders in my iCloud account not showing on my Mac.
I chose rebuild mailboxes, but it didn’t helpp.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Rob

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/1BD7EEAD-1491-4012-8426-F643D09566EA%40icloud.com.

Re: IOS16

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Yes, There is a much easier way to drag.
Swipe up  on the app to get to edit.
Double tap it.
Now swipe up to the drag option and double tap it.
Now move to the page where you want to drop the app, and swipe up to drop here.
I hope this points you in the right direction.

Rob


> On Oct 10, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I’m trying to move an app to another page on my phone. I’m dragging it and by 
> the time it tells me what’s going on it’s been moved about 3 pages away. I’m 
> trying just to go to the next page. is there another way to do it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/F93FC494-917B-4ECE-91BD-24030B0448DD%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9AB6F3DF-050D-4C66-9D31-003E0992C536%40icloud.com.

Re: HTML question.

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I noticed a few errors.
First, the following two lines should be at the end of the document.

> 
This represents the end of the code.

Second, your link should look like this.
http://www.google.com ”> Google Web Page 


I used Google as an example. The  means line break.

Good luck!
Rob




> On Oct 3, 2023, at 2:31 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’m still in the process of learning HTML, which I’ve been attempting through 
> W3Schools, and have a document started that I’m slowly trying to build out in 
> text edit.
>   I’ve tested what I’ve attempted to write in VS code, which continuously 
> says “no problems,” and Codepen.io  which tells me there 
> are missing tags, and the Href section needs double quotes, even after I’ve 
> entered them.
>   I’m still in the beginning stages of this, so to me, what I’m about to 
> share with you looks write, but would appreciate anyone’s feedback, and why 
> I’m getting 2 different types of results.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My First Heading
> 
> My first paragraph.
> 
> 
> 
> Jessica Website
> •   List Element 1
> •   List Element 2
> 
> Jessica Website
> •   
> Test
> < h1 > the Tom Robinson Case  did Tom Robinson actually rape Mayella 
> Ewell, or was this simply a case of racial injustice? 
> http://tomsdefense.com 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> 
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/B2B8D4FC-624D-4AF0-99F2-ADF0951A1F22%40gmail.com
>  
> .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3487F220-94B1-413F-A50F-015EC08F87B6%40icloud.com.

Re: Gmail on my Mac

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Is this your first time of connecting gMail to a mail client?
If so,
You may need to enable iMap or mail forwarding in the gMail settings on the 
website.

Rob


> On Sep 27, 2023, at 7:01 PM, agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> thanks for the reply. I am trying to get an gmail account to connect with my 
> mail on Mac but I can not get this to work.
> Max.
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2023, at 08:17, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> If you press control+option+J, 
>> From the message list, it should put you in the folder list.
>> Move to the top to All Inboxes.
>> Now press control+Option+J to move to the message list. 
>> I hope this is what you were looking for.
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2023, at 6:51 PM, agent086b  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a need to switch list mail to Gmail on my Mac.
>>> I have created the account by selecting Google from the options given. Gone 
>>> through the 2 step verification all appears to be correct.
>>> I would like the incoming messages to to the existing folders on the Mac.
>>> I notice Google have created there own folders inbox trash etc.
>>> I have sent some messages to the Google account but I don’t appear to be 
>>> receiving them. 
>>> Anybody have steps to set up this properly? 
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Max.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at: 
>>>  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>>> --- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/ACAB10EB-4A32-4856-85BE-380B2418862F%40internode.on.net.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/775D8092-75F7-42B2-AC75-0CA4F737EC27%40icloud.com.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/356BA4F6-65B8-49AB-A6D6-5

Re: Gmail on my Mac

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
If you press control+option+J, 
>From the message list, it should put you in the folder list.
Move to the top to All Inboxes.
Now press control+Option+J to move to the message list. 
I hope this is what you were looking for.
Rob


> On Sep 26, 2023, at 6:51 PM, agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have a need to switch list mail to Gmail on my Mac.
> I have created the account by selecting Google from the options given. Gone 
> through the 2 step verification all appears to be correct.
> I would like the incoming messages to to the existing folders on the Mac.
> I notice Google have created there own folders inbox trash etc.
> I have sent some messages to the Google account but I don’t appear to be 
> receiving them. 
> Anybody have steps to set up this properly? 
> Thanks for any help.
> Max.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/ACAB10EB-4A32-4856-85BE-380B2418862F%40internode.on.net.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/775D8092-75F7-42B2-AC75-0CA4F737EC27%40icloud.com.

Re: Reminder, how to move music library to new Mac?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Copy the old Music folder containing all of your CD’s including Music 
Library.musiclibrary files to the new Mac replacing the new Music folder, or 
you can rename the new folder Music New.
Then once everything is working, you can delete the Music New folder.
Its been a few years since I had to do this.
If your music and playlists is not showing in the Music app, You may need to 
point it to the old database you copied to the new Mac.
For me the path is
User/Music/Music/Music Library.musiclibrary
I had some instructions saved if I can find them.
Rob



> On Sep 1, 2023, at 11:15 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I am looking to upgrade my MacBook Air and will need to move my music 
> library. Could you guys remind me on how I do this? I still have a lot of 
> music that comes from CDs. You might have heard of them? Flat shiny discs. ;) 
> 
> Thanks, I appreciate it. Other than my music, I’m not worried about much 
> else. Although, I’ll miss out on part of my Clean my Mac subscription. *frowns
> 
> Traci
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/045F2D58-5E96-4408-89E3-6A926EFB95EF%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6307A176-572B-4D0B-B06D-BCFF3E158944%40icloud.com.

Re: Scanning & ocr options?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

I use a low cost HP printer flatbed scanner from WalMart.
HP 2130 series.
Thanks,
Rob
 

> On Aug 7, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Traci Duncan  > wrote:
> 
> To add to this question, do you guys use a scanner or document camera? What 
> works well with the Mac?
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Brandon Olivares > > wrote:
>> 
>> ABBYY FineReader is what I use and it works quite well. Very easy to use.
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:02 AM, 'jason' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The option frequently mentioned is ABBYY FineReader for Mac. I haven’t used 
>>> it, and there may be alternatives now.
>>> I have used the Windows version (a former colleague arranged for my then 
>>> workplace to acquire it, which is how I was introduced to it). The document 
>>> format recognition is very good, as is the OCR accuracy. I used it mostly 
>>> to process PDF files containing images of printed pages.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > on behalf of Traci Duncan 
>>> mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>>
>>> Date: Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 15:27
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> >
>>> Subject: Scanning & ocr options?
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I don’t know much about full scanning OCR options. I was just 
>>> reading a bit about pearl and open book from Jaws. Does the Mac have 
>>> solutions like that? One main thing I want is the ability to know if my 
>>> reading material is right side up. I also like the idea of the layout of 
>>> the page remaining intact. Tables, columns, etc. Thanks for educating me. 
>>> :) Traci -- The following information is important for all members of the 
>>> Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the 
>>> running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, 
>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the 
>>> list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can 
>>> reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is 
>>> Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>>>  The archives for this list can be searched 
>>> at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
>>>  --- You 
>>> received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving 
>>> emails from it, send an email to 
>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>>> . To view this 
>>> discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/2C253074-694C-4DDD-944E-67BA6C3CEE2B%40gmail.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>>  
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>  
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  
>>> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>>>  
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
>>> 
>>> --- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>>> .
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E53BAB2B-DAE9-8E4A-AA1E-C1E65F0E3D12%40hxcore.ol
>>>  
>>> .
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>>  
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>  
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu  and your 

Re: Thunderbird for Mac

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I am running Linux Mint 21.2 on my 2009 MacBook.
The MacBook was too old to run Mac OS.

Rob


> On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:33 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 6/8/23 09:55, Nebojsa Tasic wrote:
>> 
>> Which Linux and screen reader do you use?
>> 
>> 
> Arch Linux with the Orca screen reader.
> 
> This is on an x86 laptop, not the Mac. I could probably run it on the Mac if 
> I wanted to set up ARM64 Linux in a virtual machine. However, I don't think 
> it would be worth the effort of trying to get audio and braille display 
> support working reliably in that environment. The MacOS shell prompt is 
> similar enough to Linux that I'm comfortable there anyway.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/51c9f19e-becf-4603-b641-637f4d7d2c7d%40jasonjgw.net.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D90FD5A0-286F-4E64-B76D-83C03C67BB05%40icloud.com.

Re: Scanning & ocr options?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

I use PDF Pen.
There is also DocuScan Plus. I have not used it, but I heard it was good. It 
was created for accessibility.

Thanks,
Rob


> On Aug 6, 2023, at 7:02 AM, 'jason' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The option frequently mentioned is ABBYY FineReader for Mac. I haven’t used 
> it, and there may be alternatives now.
> I have used the Windows version (a former colleague arranged for my then 
> workplace to acquire it, which is how I was introduced to it). The document 
> format recognition is very good, as is the OCR accuracy. I used it mostly to 
> process PDF files containing images of printed pages.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Traci Duncan 
> Date: Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 15:27
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Scanning & ocr options?
> 
> Hi all, I don’t know much about full scanning OCR options. I was just reading 
> a bit about pearl and open book from Jaws. Does the Mac have solutions like 
> that? One main thing I want is the ability to know if my reading material is 
> right side up. I also like the idea of the layout of the page remaining 
> intact. Tables, columns, etc. Thanks for educating me. :) Traci -- The 
> following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your 
> Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received 
> this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" 
> group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this 
> discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/2C253074-694C-4DDD-944E-67BA6C3CEE2B%40gmail.com
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> 
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E53BAB2B-DAE9-8E4A-AA1E-C1E65F0E3D12%40hxcore.ol
>  
> .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/ECFCB039-FD22-441B-8F7F-B157EBAC4135%40icloud.com.

Re: simple mac or voiceover question?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Is the CD Drive on the Desktop?
If so, try selecting it and press command plus E.
If not, press command plus shift plus C, then select the CD Drive and press 
command plus E.

Is there not a eject button on the CD Drive?
Rob


> On Jul 29, 2023, at 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> is there a keystroke that will open the  cd door say from the finder?
> Think older editions of  the operating system, leopard for example, or snow 
> leopard.
> Have a cd stuck and cannot discover how to open the door.
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5F45873F-CE7B-4592-91B2-EF97CD5CFC1D%40icloud.com.

Mac Mail moving messages to Junk Mail

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
For the last two weeks, My Mac Mail iCloud account has been moving emails to 
the junk folder.
I disabled the junk mail, but it continued to move emails to the junk folder.
So I reenabled the junk mail feature, & chose to mark mail as junk, but leave 
in the inbox.
Guess what? It continued to move them to the junk folder.
So be ware, this may be happending  to you without knowing it.
So go check the junk folder.
I heard on a podcast that others were having trouble with the Mac  junk mail. 
They said if you move email from the junk folder to the inbox folder, that it 
would train the junk filter, but this is not working. I am moving about 60 
emails per day from the junk folder.
I also reset the junk filter with no luck.

Thanks for any help,
Rob

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/65811D31-4615-4D66-B790-40D50A305BE1%40icloud.com.

Re: Video editing

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
When I had some vision, I connected the VCR to a DVD Recorder, Once the DVD was 
recorded, I ripped it to the computer.

Rob


> On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:57 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> This is the software to convert.  You also get the wiring to connect your 
> computer to the VCR.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2023, at 6:44 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Is this “Clear Click” the editing software or the product to actually 
>> convert VHS to digital format on a Mac?
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 17, 2023, at 1:46 PM, dadnthed...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> It is called clear click. There is software to download for a PC or a Mac.
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2023, at 7:22 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tom,
>>> 
>>> Okay, any info you can get would be helpful. Is the Mac software accessible?
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2023, at 5:05 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s a little early on the west coast right now.  I’ll have to check with 
>>> my son later today.  It’s basically a cord with VCR connections on one end 
>>> and USB on the  other.  There is some software to down load for a Mac or 
>>> PC.  In the mean time, maybe a search for digital video converter might get 
>>> results.  Sorry I don’t have a direct answer for you right now. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 16, 2023, at 9:08 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
 
 Hello again Tom,
 I’m really interested in what hardware and software you are using with the 
 Mac to convert VHS tapes to digital files. I need to archive some 
 important tapes before we sell off our VCR.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
 dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
 
 I’ve been using the Mac for a little over a year but still consider myself 
 a newbie.  I’ve started a project of digitizing VHS video tapes.  I have 
 over 40 years of old family videos on my hard drive now.  I’m wanting a 
 piece of software where I can edit these videos.  Simple editing like 
 cutting an copying, nothing else.  I tried iMovie, but that is a little 
 intense.  Can anyone recommend a simple video editing software to do this? 
  Thanks. 
 
 -- 
 The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
 Visionaries list.
 
 If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
 if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
 owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
 Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark 
 at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
 caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
 The archives for this list can be searched at:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
 --- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 "MacVisionaries" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/767D4686-897F-4446-8DDF-7AC2D02136E3%40gmail.com.
 
 
 -- 
 The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
 Visionaries list.
  
 If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
 if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
 owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
  
 Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
 mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
 caraqu...@caraquinn.com
  
 The archives for this list can be searched at:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
 
 --- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 "MacVisionaries" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
 .
 To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C0909CD3-D91E-4BBF-BB8D-37441A2C7165%40gmail.com
  
 .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>>  
>>> If you have any 

Re: Capslock in Linux

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I’m using a Intel Mac with VM Ware.
I never had a problem with the Caps key.
Did you select the Caps key  or the insert key in the Orca settings?
Rob


> On Apr 29, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to issue the Capslock key in a Linux OS when 
> running Parallels on a silicon Mac?  On Windows I remap a key using Sharp 
> Keys or the recently updated Windows Power Toys.
> 
> I’m just trying to figure out how to issue commands to ORCA.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/7DEDAB13-AD90-4F1D-8876-AE2B4F94ACE4%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/8A2BE4AB-B05A-4DCB-935E-A118C05DCD93%40icloud.com.

Pop up Message session will exspire

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
When using Safari, I get a message from the Web page,
Pop up Message session will exspire in 30 seconds.
I can not find the message so I can hit the button to keep me signed in.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Rob

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/145A1CBC-9594-42B3-9D9F-CB0878872556%40icloud.com.

Re: Moving Ring Tone From Mac To iPhone

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Below is a message from the Late Tim Kilburn.
From: "Tim Kilburn via groups.io" 
Subject: Re: [OATS] Trying to get a home-made ringtone from my Mac to my iPhone
Date: June 5, 2021 at 4:25:43 PM EDT
To: only-apple-...@groups.io
Reply-To: only-apple-...@groups.io

Hi Robert,

Thanks for sharing.  To add to this, if you are copying mutliple tones at once, 
drop them on the Scroll area instead of the name section I mentioned earlier.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 5, 2021, at 1:57 PM, Robert Cole via groups.io  
mailto:mr.robertcole=icloud@groups.io>> wrote:
Hi,
Here is a message I saved from Tim.
From: "Tim Kilburn 
Date: October 17, 2019 at 12:07:41 AM EDT

Hi,


Now, actually adding the custom ring-tone to the iPhone is possible with VO, 
albeit a little challenging as it requires drag and drop.

1.  Connect your iPone to your Mac with the USB charging cable.
2.  Open the window where the custom ring-tone resides.
3.  Press cmd-n to open a second Finder window where you select your iPhone 
from the Sidebar.
4.  Navigate to the window where the custom ring-tone resides.  You can use the 
Window Chooser or cmd-accent to get there.
5.  Interact with the table or browser and navigate to the tone.  Do not use 
arrow navigation, but do use VO-navigation.
6.  Once you are at the tone, press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO 
location.  You may need to include the fn key as well.
7.  Press VO-cmd-shift-space to invoke the mouse-down action.
8.  Use the Window Chooser to navigate to the iPhone window.
9.  Navigate to the item that announces the name of your iPhone, how much space 
is used and its charge level.  On mine, it's the item that's one VO-right after 
the edit field with my iPhone name in it.
10.  Press VO-cmd-shift-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.  Again, you 
may need to add the fn key to this combination.
11.  Press VO-cmd-shift-space to toggle the mouse-up action.

This drops the tone and will immediately copy it to your iPhone.  It will show 
up in the tones section of Sounds & Haptics for your use.


> On Apr 5, 2023, at 4:41 PM, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I’ve been able to create a short ring tone in MP3 format, and convert it to 
> .M4R which is the correct format needed to move it onto my phone. The phone 
> is a 3rd Generation iPhone SE running iOS 16.4, and my Mac is running 
> Monterey. I can locate the M4R file in Finder, but my problem is I can’t seem 
> to move this file onto my iPhone. Instructions I’ve found say that you have 
> to drag the file to what they call a “sync” window that’s supposed to be 
> somewhere in the General section of my iPhone properties. I can’t find it.
> Has anyone out there successfully created a ring tone from an MP3 file and 
> gotten it onto their iPhone?
> Thanks for any help,
> Pete De Vasto
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
> reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> 
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/006c01d967fe%24f97663e0%24ec632ba0%24%40gmail.com
>  
> .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" 

Re: Mute speech

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press command 
8 to jump to commanders. 
Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on it. 
Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
 and then press the right arrow to open it. 
Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.



> On Feb 23, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Barbara Hollick  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> Does anyone know the keyboard command to mute/unmute speech within voiceover 
> utility? 
> Thanks,
> Barb
> -- 
> Barbara Hollick
> Teacher of Students with Visual Impairments
> Certified Orientation and Mobility Instructor
> 
> MTLSD DISCLAIMER: THIS TRANSMISSION IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE 
> ADDRESSEE AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND 
> EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. IF YOU ARE NOT THE INTENDED 
> RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO 
> THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, 
> RETENTION, DISTRIBUTION, OR COPYING OF THIS COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY 
> PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY 
> THE SENDER IMMEDIATELY.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> 
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/CAN%3D_UGS2Nuhcu3%3DxS2h_wzyLJh46wLa_kynGWhDZBySOsLm_5w%40mail.gmail.com
>  
> .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/A5E15408-4404-4180-8CEB-76BC10B4C358%40icloud.com.

Re: Secure keys accessibility

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I don’t know, but I heard that you just tap the key to the iPhone if its NFC 
enabled, or plug it into the lightning port.
I don’t believe there’s nothing to see.



> On Feb 21, 2023, at 3:52 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone on the list use a physical secure key to sign into apple or other 
> web services?  If yes, are such keys accessible for blind users?  What are 
> your experiences with them?
> 
> Andrew
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/52E8986A-C68C-4C05-BBEE-723B123C65C2%40me.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/501D3460-5450-44B0-AD96-8F4C69340B2D%40icloud.com.

Re: Strange Mac Clean-up question, moving documents folder from iCloud to my Mac

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

I’m using Monterey.
Go to  Internet accounts in system preferences.
Interact with the table and choose iCloud
Interact with that and VO right to options, and press VO Space.
I never used Ventura, so maybe you can find it.



> On Feb 13, 2023, at 6:21 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been trying to do that, but haven’t had any success. How does one go 
> about that?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2023, at 5:19 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Why not just not include Documents and desktop on that Mac for iCloud?
>> That way shift command O will open Documents in your home folder.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2023, at 2:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> When I got my current Mac back in 2020, as some of you may recall, I had 
>>> problems migrating files from my old Mac.  So I decided to transfer my 
>>> documents by copying the folder to iCloud, and hoped that I could then 
>>> download it onto the new Mac.  The download never happened.  I’m trying to 
>>> do some cleanup, and one thing I would like to do is to get that folder out 
>>> of iCloud and have it live locally on my Mac.  I have a bunch of old stuff 
>>> in there that I want to keep, but that I don’t want to use up iCloud 
>>> storage to store.  Just to be clear, I have a documents folder in iCloud, 
>>> but I do not have one in my user folder.  I tried creating one, and was 
>>> told I couldn’t because that name was in use.  So I copied it from iCloud 
>>> into my users folder.  That worked, but the folder is called documents - 
>>> Donna’s MacBook Air, and I’d like it to be named Documents, and for that to 
>>> be the folder that opens when I press CMD-Option-O.  I’d also like to 
>>> delete it from iCloud Drive.  Can anyone tell me how to accomplish this?
>>> TIA,,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at: 
>>>  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>>> --- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/8C8E6323-B2EA-4C07-90B2-01798668E419%40me.com.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D74E7770-E1A2-4FEB-8594-48689F3FD5FA%40icloud.com.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D970DC07-2B0C-47FC-BF5D-8B0B21470E95%40me.com.

-- 
The following 

Help using Time Machine

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear Group,
I am using Mac OS Monterey.
Today I opened my CheckBook Pro app and to my surprise, It was showing my last 
transactions was December 29th 2022.
I guess there was a iCloud sync problem between my Big Sur & my Monterey.
So I have a Time Machine backup from January 22, 2023.
When I enter Time Machine, it places me on the Desktop. I cant figure out how 
to navigate to iCloud to find and restore my file.
Can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Rob

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9F6CE083-6263-40AD-97DD-D1D741D93473%40icloud.com.

Re: Questions about pages

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

> Hi,
To move between multiple windows in  the same app, Press command plus grov.
But first you need to open the first document. Then go to the file menu to 
create or open the second document.
Thanks,
Rob

>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 21:38, Rebecca Sabo  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all ,
>> I have another question.  I have pages open and a document open on it.  How 
>> do I open another pages how do I go between the two of them ?
>> Thanks 
>> Becky 
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/66412B8E-93E3-4DB5-BB60-9857EF320D6D%40gmail.com.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/2A715F8A-26B8-44E7-A02E-BE32B7A19D9F%40maurice-amines.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/8C174F8E-FB55-4A50-8AA9-4FC249BC5801%40icloud.com.

Re: Looking for a File that I am editing?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
You should never depend on the auto save feature.
Always save the document yourself, giving it a name .
Now, if Text Edit is still open,
You can press command plus grov, it is the key under the escape key.
It may be announced as acsent.
This will move between open documents.
Another way to find the lost document is to look in your Documents folder for a 
file called Untitled.
Also on the Text Edit file menu, is a open recent  submenu.
Good luck!

Rob

> On Dec 15, 2022, at 7:53 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> I heard that Mac saves files automatically.
> Well I am editing a  file in Text Edit.
> I switched to mail, got an attachment and saved it.
> It was a text file and I wanted to copy some text from this attachment in 
> order to paste it in the file I am editing/typing. I did not save the file I 
> am editing but I am not finding it. Can I find it in any way?
> Your help is much appreciated.
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
> reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> 
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159F5CCFD342905FB028BD7C9E69%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
>  
> .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AA1FDA27-F1C0-4B9D-B6E9-59F1995EB174%40icloud.com.

Re: VMware Fusion Vs Virtualbox.

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
1 Do you have a free license?
2 Did you download a Windows 10 ISO?
If yes to both questions, Choose new from the file menu to create a new VM.


> On Dec 15, 2022, at 10:52 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I think I’ve somewhat managed to get the installation process started, 
> after some playing around and having to allow my system settings access to my 
> accessibility settings and turning the switch on to VMware Fusion, which I 
> had no idea about.  So I’ve allowed VMware access to everything it’s popped 
> up so far, and now I’m at some weird window that’s saying something about 
> “enter unity” which is dimmed, but when I try to move around, I get the 
> message “VMware has no windows.” Can someone please explain this?
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Sheri Byrne  wrote:
>> 
>> Additionally, as a VMware accessibility team employee if you have issues 
>> I’ll make sure you get help :)
>> 
>> Sheri
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:41 AM, Maurice A. mines  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi NVDA works  vary  well  under  Vm Ware Fusion.  I don’t  think that  
>>> Virtual Box  is  usable by  a blind  user.
>>> 
>>> Maurice Mines.
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2022, at 16:32, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Jessica,
 I'm replying to you on list so someone else can assist with how to deal 
 with NVDA.  Good luck!
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
 will make violent revolution inevitable."
 --John F. Kennedy
 My e-Mail:
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 12/8/2022 8:12 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
> Ok, I’m sure everyone is probably tired of hearing about this, but wanted 
> to give a heads-up.  I managed to finally find a direct link to download 
> the 64-bit ISO file from Microsoft, and think I managed to locate the 
> right file regarding VMware Fusion, considering at the moment, I’m just 
> wanting to run everything in trial mode just to see how it does.  I also 
> have downloaded NVDA and just have everything just sitting in my 
> downloads folder.
> So at this point, my question is, after I start the installation process 
> and I eventually get to the point where there’s no longer speech, how do 
> I go about installing NVDA, or would I be better off launching team 
> viewer, and having an Aira agent help me do the remainder?
>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 6:29 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> -Jessica,
>> Maybe I should first suggest another option. I took a quick look at 
>> Windows 11 on Amazon. One option is to buy for $139 and download then 
>> you can out it on a thumb drive though I don't know how big it is. Or, 
>> buy a PC. I saw an HP model for $189. If you want to look into getting a 
>> PC, there are other brands too like Dell.
>> 
>> For NVDA here is the web site.  It will give you the download button 
>> with the "no donation" button already selected.
>> 
>> https://www.nvaccess.org/download/
>> 
>> Here is the VMware site.
>> 
>> https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/downloads/info/slug/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_fusion/13_0
>> 
>> VMware Fusion Player 13 is the latest. If you choose to go this route 
>> and not a PC, you can install this using Voiceover. You can run it and 
>> look at its settings etc. Once you get a Windows ISO (image file) you 
>> can install it into Fusion.
>> 
>> You might want some sihted help after this to put the NVDA file on the 
>> Windows desktop. When you clock it, it will come up talking.
>> 
>> I hope this helps!
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
>> --John F. Kennedy
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 12/5/2022 12:36 PM, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>> I will be using NVDA, due to the fact that I unfortunately can’t afford 
>>> a license for Jaws, and using it in 40-minute mode too attempt to do 
>>> this training material isn’t going to work.
>>> Can you please send me a direct link to download these ISO files?   
>>> I’ve attempted to do several searches to obtain them, and found a site 
>>> that I thought led to where two find them along with instructions, but 
>>> is taking me in circles when it comes to downloading then.
>>> The site I ended up at was something called Minitool.com 
>>> , that supposedly redirects you to where to 
>>> download them, but just seems to take me to more news articles.
 On Dec 3, 2022, at 12:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Jessica,
 A quick note. If you want to use NVDA which is free, give me some time 
 to try something. In the meantime, ALL the VMware setup can be done 
 with Voiceover. So if you go ahead and get a Windows ISO, you're on 
 

Re: What happen to the Today in IOS Podcast

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Everything I find is from 2021.
The Today in iOS / iPhone Podcast <https://tii.libsyn.com/>
This one is hosted by Rob, I don’t know his last name.


> On Dec 1, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> there was one in September around IOS16 time.
> Max.
> 
>> On 2 Dec 2022, at 2:59 am, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> It's been over a year since the podcast was updated. Do anyone know what 
>> happen to Rob of the Today In IOS podcast?
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/EBE75E6D-E61F-428B-BBA4-CA6736C30750%40icloud.com.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/8E33418B-186A-453E-B4D2-5AD0E23ECA18%40internode.on.net.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/B40AE545-7FB5-4D2E-B23D-8E1B8845FBA8%40icloud.com.

What happen to the Today in IOS Podcast

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
It's been over a year since the podcast was updated. Do anyone know what happen 
to Rob of the Today In IOS podcast?
Thanks,
Rob

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/EBE75E6D-E61F-428B-BBA4-CA6736C30750%40icloud.com.

Re: Question about update

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Try pressing option control shift up arrow, to see if it helps you get to the 
info.

> On Nov 23, 2022, at 11:19 AM, Rena  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I’m trying to update my book air, but this time something is different and I 
> don’t know what to do.
> I click on about this mac and Software update button.
> There I find bac, forward, show all menu button and search field.
> Please, tell me what to do.
>  
> Rena
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> 
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/053f01d8ff57%2452e7a4e0%24f8b6eea0%24%40gmail.com
>  
> .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D9DDFF29-76A2-4A6F-8E02-A51D74240796%40icloud.com.

Re: What is Launchpad?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Here is how I use it,
If I want to open mail, 
I press option plus L for Launch Pad.
Then type m a.
VoiceOver will announce Mail. Pressing enter will open it.

Rob


> On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:59 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> 
> I’ve never messed with the launchpad.  I have a vague memory of it originally 
> not being very vo friendly.  Is there any advantage to using it over just 
> opening the applications folder?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 12:17 AM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> If you put your VoiceOver focus on the Launchpad item in the Dock, and then 
>> open the Shortcut menu, you will get an alphabetical list of all 
>> applications on your Mac.  You can then select an application from the list, 
>> and use either VO + Spacebar, or press Enter, to launch the app.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 23:16, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I think it’s a visual control panel for launching apps.
>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 20:27, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
>>> 
>>> group!
>>> May I know what is Launchpad and what does it do, please?
>>> thanks!
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at: 
>>>  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>>> --- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/E413A645-5D9A-4BE9-B1E1-5C16F4EE8E66%40outlook.com.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/77331004-5FD0-4155-BB1A-3A6140F18E10%40gmail.com.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D9F246BF-9C4B-4704-94E0-63856968E1BA%40swbell.net.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop 

Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

OK, here are the instructions to add a commander to mute speech.
To setup a commander  to toggle the mute speech for VoiceOver, first open 
voiceover utility with vo f 8 that  is control option f 8.  Next press command 
8 to jump to commanders. 
Next  vo right arrow to the keyboard tab and then press vo space bar on it. 
Next tab to the add button, and hit VO Space. 
Next type the letter you want to use along with the right option key. 
Note, I had to press VO space before I could type in the edit field.
Next vo right arrow to the command menu button and then press space bar on it. 
Next  press the down arrow key to find speech,
 and then press the right arrow to open it. 
Next press down arrow to find Mute  speech toggle and press enter.
Good Luck!
Rob



> On Nov 3, 2022, at 10:04 AM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
> But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
> I have been doing it for years.
> I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
> I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape 
> key.
> I will look for my notes on how to do it.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
>  
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M. > <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Group.
>> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
>> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>>  
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>  
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
>>  
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159CCB2244968ED0409035CC9389%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
>>  
>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159CCB2244968ED0409035CC9389%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9272E6C7-2CBE-41B6-8858-8A0F4EA8C910%40icloud.com
>  
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9272E6C7-2CBE-41B6-8858-8A0F4EA8C910%40icloud.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara 

Re: Mute Speech With Keyboard?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Do you know pressing the control key pauses speech?
But if you want to have a hot key to mute speech, it can be done.
I have been doing it for years.
I am surprised that no-body has mentioned adding a commander.
I use option plus the tiller or AKA the grove key located under the escape key.
I will look for my notes on how to do it.
Thanks,
Rob

 

> On Nov 3, 2022, at 1:30 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> Can I mute voiceover speech with Keyboard?
> I am not talking about trackpad, I am talking about keyboard.
> Thanks!
>  
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
> reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> 
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159CCB2244968ED0409035CC9389%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
>  
> .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9272E6C7-2CBE-41B6-8858-8A0F4EA8C910%40icloud.com.

Re: Installing windows on a Mac.

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

You can try using a virtual machine to run Windows.
The hardest part is registering for a free account, then log in to find your 
serial number.
You can get a free for home use account at
https://customerconnect.vmware.com/account-registration?source=dwnp=fusion-player-personal=false


> On Nov 2, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:
> 
> I have the same computer and  want Windows too. Would I need sighted 
> assistance for installing 
> Windows? Thanks!
>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 9:09 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> You can install windows 10 using Boot Camp.
>> You do not need to purchase a windows license.
>> It will install without it, allowing you 
>> To add it later.
>> And if you only need windows for a short time, It should be OK. And if you 
>> can, just use NVDA, or a 40 minute demo of Jaws.
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a 2017 MacBook I would be attempting this on, and I unfortunately 
>>> can’t afford anything additional at this point, sense my last few paychecks 
>>> have been extremely slim.  So just as I suspected, this may be something 
>>> I’ll have to run by my supervisor, and we’ll need to find something 
>>> different for me to do in the meantime.
>>> 
 On Nov 2, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
 
 Provided you have an Intel Mac, you can use Bootcamp. Unfortunately, you 
 will have to purchase Windows and I don’t know the cost. It may not be so 
 bad though as you will need Windows 10. M1 Mac you will need a completely 
 different set up and I understand it’s not the most stable. Might be 
 cheaper just to purchase a tablet which is the same thing unless you need 
 a tun of processor power.
 
> On Nov 2, 2022, at 09:43, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I didn’t think I’d ever see myself doing this, sense getting my first 
> Mac, I’d intended to leave the Windows platform behind.  However, someone 
> on our team at work has introduced us to training material through DHS, 
> which, as helpful as it can be, is strictly windows-based, so in order to 
> use its testing tools to complete the courses they offer, that’s the only 
> choice I have.  So as a result, I have a couple of questions.
> First of all, how much is it going to cost to do this, and second, (if I 
> just took the NVDA route) because buying Jaws at this point is the last 
> thing I can afford, and something I really don’t want to tie up money in 
> just to do 1 thing with.  Also, how would I go about installing it with 
> Voiceover/no CD rom drive?
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
> Visionaries list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark 
> at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/28248E8F-755A-4790-A51B-037446ED22A5%40gmail.com.
 
 -- 
 The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
 Visionaries list.
 
 If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or 
 if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the 
 owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
 
 Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark 
 at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
 caraqu...@caraquinn.com
 
 The archives for this list can be searched at:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
 --- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 "MacVisionaries" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 To view this discussion on the web visit 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/338136FA-53D3-4A61-8C24-9A32D8D2DB81%40gmail.com.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> 

Re: Going Back to HomePage in Safari?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Both keystrokes work.
I guess it may be easier to use command+shift+h on a LapTop.
But on my Mac, I have always used command+Home.


> On Oct 17, 2022, at 5:52 PM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The correct command for going to the Home page in Safari is CMD + Shift + H.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 17, 2022, at 16:33, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Press command plus Home.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 17, 2022, at 3:50 PM, Fazil M. > <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Group.
>> I have Montray12.5 and MacbookPro2017.
>> How can I go to homepage in Safari, please?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>>  
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>  
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
>>  
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159918BB90F23BEAFA15236C9299%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
>>  
>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159918BB90F23BEAFA15236C9299%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
> reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FE487DE1-2E00-433A-BD38-0B42E3D798D2%40icloud.com
>  
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FE487DE1-2E00-433A-BD38-0B42E3D798D2%40icloud.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.
> 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3FE49E6C-8093-4748

Re: Going Back to HomePage in Safari?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Press command plus Home.


> On Oct 17, 2022, at 3:50 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> I have Montray12.5 and MacbookPro2017.
> How can I go to homepage in Safari, please?
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can 
> reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> 
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159918BB90F23BEAFA15236C9299%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com
>  
> .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FE487DE1-2E00-433A-BD38-0B42E3D798D2%40icloud.com.

Re: Learning braille

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Thank you for the braille blaster link.
I can now use the letters f d s and j k l
To type in braille, but I can not find a way to check my progress by having the 
text read back to me as letters instead of dots 1 2 3 5.

Rob



> On Aug 27, 2022, at 6:47 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Its been a long time since I looked at BrailleBlaster. You can download it 
> from the site below.
> 
> https://www.brailleblaster.org/
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/27/2022 2:14 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Dear List,
>> I am starting to learn braille.
>> Is there a Mac app that will allow me to use my qwerty keyboard as a six dot 
>> braille input?
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/4f2624eb-2c30-1750-3073-590ce70988ec%40icloud.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/9A2A037B-D0B8-459D-9E71-E12FE816D5CF%40icloud.com.

Learning braille

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
I am starting to learn braille.
Is there a Mac app that will allow me to use my qwerty keyboard as a six dot 
braille input?
Thanks,
Rob

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/743BCDB0-79CD-4101-A774-019859A9DE28%40icloud.com.

Re: YouTube premium subscription

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

How did you signup?
Through Apple, or Google?
By the way, Apple charges about $15 where as going directly through Google is 
$11.99 per month.
Rob

> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:46 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Well, same options from the laptop as from the iPhone app, it says to avoid 
> losing benefits, renew now. Renew is the only option. I’m going to do 
> something really dumb and assume that not losing benefits means that it 
> doesn’t auto renew. What do you think? Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 1:30 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I don’t believe you can cancel on the mobile app.
>> Try from a computer.
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure 
>>> I don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found 
>>> my subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean 
>>> they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal 
>>> for YouTube premium service?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>> 
>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at: 
>>>  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>> 
>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>>> --- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5294B60C-7A0B-4943-8E5E-8C30233CE1FE%40gmail.com.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FB22CA87-E78C-4E17-B9EE-50D58AA6260A%40icloud.com.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/61CD4C9A-F74F-4985-AD27-165E055A6CBC%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post 

Re: YouTube premium subscription

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
I don’t believe you can cancel on the mobile app.
Try from a computer.
Rob


> On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure I 
> don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found my 
> subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean 
> they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal for 
> YouTube premium service?
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5294B60C-7A0B-4943-8E5E-8C30233CE1FE%40gmail.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FB22CA87-E78C-4E17-B9EE-50D58AA6260A%40icloud.com.

Looking for app to write ISO to USB

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
What VO friendly app would you suggest to write ISO files to a USB disk?

Thanks,
Rob

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/CF9E4C44-46CB-4B81-B362-6B297C35D420%40icloud.com.

Re: Can you addd a website to the doc or desktop?

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi Jonathan,
May I have the AppleScript?
mr.robertc...@icloud.com
I usually create a text file and include the following text, then rename the 
.txt to .url.
See example,

[InternetShortcut]
URL=http://www.google .com

Now save this  and give it a name such as Google Shortcut.url

Thanks,
Rob
> On Jul 30, 2022, at 10:16 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> At least on Safari on Monterey I could not find an option to save as an 
> alias. I only saw web archive or html source.
> That being sid, I was able to create a AppleScript to do this.
> If anybody needs this let me know.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2022, at 09:42, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> You can just do a Save As, by pressing CMD  plus S. This will create an 
>> alias on the desktop, or it will save it to any place you wwish.  I do this 
>> frequently.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 20:52, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have of course did some googling on this and it says you can drag and 
>> drop the address from the address bar to the desktop or doc to create a 
>> place marker to launch the app you'd like. However with voiceover I'm unsure 
>> of how to do this exactly. Does anyone know if we can take a website and put 
>> it on the dock or the desktop? If so can you explain how to do so? Thanks!
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu  and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com 
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
>> 
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/001E4C00-D999-439B-A5CE-C19E30F0C0AB%40gmail.com.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D8084C58-DF9E-46FC-A735-6A528856871C%40swbell.net.
> 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> 
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> .
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/11D3528A-9590-409A-81EF-91ECDBA557A7%40gmail.com
>  
> .

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or 

Re: how to use terminal to unzip to a folder

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Thanks,
That’s what I needed.


> On Jul 28, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Fairly easy way:
> cd ~/Downloads/
> open *.zip  && 
> 
> There is a zip command also which would use less resources as it doesn't open 
> a window, using this is probably more efficient, and it might even have an 
> option to delete zip files after they are decompressed.It It does have option 
>  to compress only files newer or older than a specific date or to move files 
> from one archive to another. Acopy of the   Man page formatted for the 
> browser can be found at:
> https://ss64.com/osx/zip.html <https://ss64.com/osx/zip.html>
> Though typing "man zip" in the terminal is guaranteed to give you the man 
> page for the version of zip you have on your computer.
>  for  
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2022, at 13:59, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear List,
>> Can someone help me with this problem?
>> I want to use terminal, or a shortcut, to look in the downloads folder,
>> Find all zip files and extract them to a folder in my home directory called 
>> Books.
>> Here is what I come up with no good results.
>> ditto -x -k *.zip ~ % [200~/Users/robert/Books
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you 
>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>
>> --- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/44892055-7D74-4820-8843-75AF55F2A687%40icloud.com.
> 
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
>  
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>  
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: 
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>  
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ 
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/A70EB723-11FB-4D1B-A05C-8F442A2A03CC%40gmail.com
>  
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/A70EB723-11FB-4D1B-A05C-8F442A2A03CC%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DCCB097C-8036-44C0-A719-CCCE06EAD929%40icloud.com.

how to use terminal to unzip to a folder

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
Can someone help me with this problem?
I want to use terminal, or a shortcut, to look in the downloads folder,
Find all zip files and extract them to a folder in my home directory called 
Books.
Here is what I come up with no good results.
ditto -x -k *.zip ~ % [200~/Users/robert/Books

Thanks,
Rob


-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/44892055-7D74-4820-8843-75AF55F2A687%40icloud.com.

Re: External SSD crashes Finder & Disk Utilities

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
As someone suggested, I used terminal to format the drive. Then Disk Utility 
saw it without crashing.
I used recovery mode to reinstall Monterey, While in recovery mode, I also 
renamed the drive and the data drive was automatically renamed as well.
So everything is good.
Thanks,
Rob


> On Jul 10, 2022, at 12:02 PM, 'Tim J Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> First, you should not mess with the name of the Data drive related to the 
> system volume.  Normally, this will not crash your system, although Disk 
> Utility may take a quite a while to determine what’s what.  Try giving it a 
> five or ten minutes to resolve the drive, then see if you can manipulate it 
> from within Disk Utility.  Terminal is also an option, but it may still give 
> you the spinning of death before it’s found in Terminal as well.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/7/22 17:26, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> So if I can’t rename or format the SSD, What do I do?
>>> Please give me some advice!
>>> It is my understanding that you can format storage devices from the shell 
>>> prompt in Mac OS.
>> You should be able to look up the command syntax on the Web, then run 
>> Terminal and carefully use a command to reformat the device.
>> 
>> -- 
>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac 
>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>> 
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>> 
>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/cee30942-752c-9fbe-3042-4bac7ff7dca4%40jasonjgw.net.
> 
> -- 
> The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
> list.
> 
> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
> 
> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
> caraqu...@caraquinn.com
> 
> The archives for this list can be searched at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
> --- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "MacVisionaries" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/204F3808-8535-4C29-9EAE-03F3EFE4E1B5%40me.com.

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/94F29F91-AF14-4D51-8979-931D8442C370%40icloud.com.

External SSD crashes Finder & Disk Utilities

[mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
You know that saying, If its not broken, Don’t fix it.
Well, I didn’t listen. I was running Big Sur on a external SSD, while Monterey 
was installed on the internal spindle drive.
So today I decided to upgrade the SSD from Big Sur to Monterey.
The upgrade seemed to go OK, So since the SSD drive was named Big Sur, I 
renamed it to Monterey SSD, and I also renamed the data drive to Monterey 
SSD-Data.
Guess what! Yes, the Mac will not boot the SSD. I have to remove it in order to 
boot into recovery, but soon as I plug it in, Recovery disk utility stops 
responding.
So again I unplugged  it and restarted the Mac booting with the internal 
spindle drive running Monterey, But finder stops responding when I plug in the 
SSD.
So if I can’t rename or format the SSD, What do I do?
Please give me some advice!
Thanks,
Rob

-- 
The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries 
list.

If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you 
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or 
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.

Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach mark at:  
mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at 
caraqu...@caraquinn.com

The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/
--- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"MacVisionaries" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/F314C5F4-DE8B-48FC-BF97-10C6E384574B%40icloud.com.